Trump's second impeachment trial: Day 3

By Meg Wagner, Melissa Mahtani, Melissa Macaya and Veronica Rocha, CNN

Updated 6:00 PM ET, Thu February 11, 2021
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2:49 p.m. ET, February 11, 2021

Despite evidence shown, Trump's lawyer denies rioters said they were following former President's orders

From CNN's Manu Raju and Sarah Fortinsky

Trump Defense attorney Bruce Castor denied to CNN that rioters said they were ordered by former President Trump to do what they did – even though that has been a key part of the evidence Democrats have been presented.

“Did someone say that they heard directly from President Trump?” Castor said when asked for his reaction to the videos played.

“I don't believe that’s what happened, no,” Castor said.

Earlier, one of Trump's other lawyers David Schoen argued that the impeachment managers have failed to tie the Capitol attack on Jan. 6 to the former President. 

2:59 p.m. ET, February 11, 2021

Trump's lawyer says trial "should be as short as possible"

Michael Reynolds/Pool/AP
Michael Reynolds/Pool/AP

During the House impeachment managers' presentation to convict the former President, David Schoen, Trump's defense lawyer, left the Senate chamber to appear on Fox News.

Schoen told the network, "this trial never should have happened," and said his goal is to make it "as short as possible."

Trump's defense will take the Senate floor tomorrow as they begin their arguments against conviction. Each side has 16 hours spread over two days to make their case.

Schoen has indicated he will only take one day.

CNN's Pam Brown has more:

2:11 p.m. ET, February 11, 2021

The Senate is taking a short break

The Senate has just paused for their first break of the day.

Today is the last day for House impeachment managers to present their case against former President Trump.

So far, managers have used video – some from as early as 2015 – to show how Trump's behavior over the years has demonstrated a pattern of inciting violence.

They have also made the case that Trump's lack of remorse is crucial to this impeachment trial. Impeachment manager Rep. Lieu said it showed that the former President "will undoubtedly cause future harm if allowed."

2:20 p.m. ET, February 11, 2021

The impeachment managers referenced this journalist's tweet about how dangerous the riot became

From CNN's Aditi Sangal

While highlighting the trauma that many present on Capitol Hill went through during the riot on Jan. 6, House impeachment manager Rep. David Cicilline highlighted a tweet thread posted by a CNN producer one month after the attack.

"There are countless people who are still living with the trauma of what happened that day. This includes, by the way, another group of people who were with us in the Capitol on that day, and that's the press," Cicilline said.

CNN producer Kristin Wilson recounts in the twitter thread the impact the Capitol riot had on her team of journalists.

"None of us should have feared for our lives. Not one," she writes in one of the tweets.

Read her tweets:

2:06 p.m. ET, February 11, 2021

House managers highlight Oath Keepers' conspiracy to attack Capitol

From CNN's Marshall Cohen

Senate TV
Senate TV

Impeachment manager Rep. David Cicilline mentioned the most prominent conspiracy case against members of the Oath Keepers, an extremist militant anti-government group whose members were involved in the Capitol insurrection.

During his remarks on the Senate floor he cited the burgeoning case against Jessica Watkins, Donovan Crowl and Thomas Caldwell, who stand accused by the Justice Department of elaborately planning to storm the Capitol on Jan. 6.

They face some of the most serious allegations to emerge from the far-reaching investigation.

Earlier on Thursday, federal prosecutors said they had evidence that Watkins “indicated that she was awaiting direction from President Trump.” The new assertion was the most direct language yet from the Justice Department linking Trump’s “stop the steal” rhetoric to actions of some of the insurrections.

2:01 p.m. ET, February 11, 2021

Trump lawyer says the former President is "very upbeat"

From CNN's Ali Zaslav

David Schoen and Bruce Castor, lawyers for former President Donald Trump, arrive at the Capitol on the third day of the second impeachment trial of Trump in the Senate, Thursday, February. 11.
David Schoen and Bruce Castor, lawyers for former President Donald Trump, arrive at the Capitol on the third day of the second impeachment trial of Trump in the Senate, Thursday, February. 11. /Jose Luis Magana/AP

Trump's lawyer David Schoen took a break as the House impeachment managers were trying their case on the third day of the Senate impeachment trial for an interview with Fox News.

Schoen told Fox that Trump is "very upbeat" and he doesn't want to be associated with the violent incident. "He's quite offended at trying to be tied into it," he said. 

On criticism Trump's other lawyer Bruce Castor has received for his performance the first day of the trial, Schoen said, Castor "got up the first day, he jumped right into it to respond to something that had been said and I think he's been very, very unfairly maligned, frankly ... let's just see how this thing plays out."

Asked about the No. 2 Senate Republican John Thune's comments that the House managers did an "effective job" and were "connecting the dots" from Trump's words to the insurrection, Schoen argued the videos shown were taken out of context and were presented as an "entertainment package."

Schoen said tomorrow — when the defense team is expected to begin laying out their case — "is our opportunity" when "we start to present our case and to give answers."

"I think you will at least be moved by what you see and get a much better picture of what exactly is going on here and the hypocrisy and some of the positions taken by the House Managers in this case," he argued.

Asked if Trump's team will finish their arguments tomorrow, he said. "we'll see how that goes ... there's no reason for us to be out there a long time as I said from the start, this trial never should have happened."

1:29 p.m. ET, February 11, 2021

Trump's lack of remorse shows "he will undoubtedly cause future harm," Rep. Lieu says

Impeachment manager Ted Lieu explained why former President Trump's lack of remorse is such an important factor in his impeachment trial, suggesting that "he will undoubtedly cause future harm if allowed."

"President Trump expressed no regrets for last week's violence insurrection at the US Capitol. This sends exactly the wrong signal to those of us who support the very core of our democratic principles and took a solemn oath to the constitution. It is time to say enough is enough," Lieu said. 

Lieu explained that no one is saying a President cannot contest the election, "But what President Trump did, as his former chief of staff explained, was different. It was dishonorable. It was un-american. And it resulted in fatalities."

Lieu went on to describe how Trump spent months inflaming his supporters ahead of the riot, saying he:

"Spread lies to incite a violent attack on the Capitol, on our law enforcement and on all of us and then he lied again to his base to tell them that this was all okay, that this was all acceptable. And that is why President Trump is so dangerous. Because he would have all of us, all Americans believe that any President who comes after him can do exactly the same thing. That's why lack of remorse is an important factor in impeachment. Because impeachment, conviction, and disqualification is not just about the past, it's about the future, it's making sure that no future official, no future president, does the same exact thing President Trump does."

"President Trump's lack of remorse shows that he will undoubtedly cause future harm if allowed because he still refuses to account for his previous high grave crime against our government," Lieu concluded.

Remember: Conviction requires two-thirds of senators present to offer "guilty" votes. Normally, two-thirds is 67 senators, which would require 17 Republican votes.

If Trump is convicted, there would be a subsequent vote on whether to bar him from further office. This would require only a simple majority — that's 50 votes.

1:46 p.m. ET, February 11, 2021

Trump failed to show remorse and honor the late Capitol police officer who died, Rep. Lieu says

From CNN's Aditi Sangal

Senate TV
Senate TV

House impeachment manager Ted Lieu said former President Trump failed to show remorse or take responsibility in the days following the Capitol riot.

"For days he did not address the nation after this attack. We needed our commander-in-chief to lead, to unite a grieving country, to comfort us. But what did President Trump do? Nothing. Silence," Lieu said on the Senate floor.

He also slammed the former President for not paying his respects to the late US Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, when he lay in honor in the Capitol earlier this month.

"It took President Trump three days before he lowered the flag of the United States of America. Three days. And President Trump, who was commander-in-chief at the time, did not attend and pay respects to the officer who lay in state in the very building that he died defending."

Lieu also reminded the Senate that Trump did not think he had a role to play in the riot and had told reporters that his speech "was totally appropriate."

Watch Rep. Lieu here:

1:41 p.m. ET, February 11, 2021

Lead impeachment manager asks senators to ponder dangers of a second Trump presidency 

Senate TV
Senate TV

After presenting evidence on the Senate floor against former President Trump, lead impeachment manager Rep. Jamie Raskin closed his remarks by asking the senators, who are serving as jurors in the case, a series of questions. 

"My dear colleagues, is there any political leader in this room who believes if he's ever allowed by the Senate to get back into the Oval Office, Donald Trump would stop inciting violence to get his way? Would you bet the lives of more police officers on that? Would you bet the safety of your family on that? Would you bet the future of your democracy on that? President Trump declared his conduct totally appropriate. So if he gets back into office and it happens again, we'll have no one to blame but ourselves."

The impeachment managers argue that Trump is responsible for inciting the rioters that stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6.

Remember: Conviction requires two-thirds of senators present to offer "guilty" votes. Normally, two-thirds is 67 senators, which would require 17 Republican votes.

If Trump is convicted, there would be a subsequent vote on whether to bar him from further office. This would require only a simple majority — that's 50 votes.