Robert Mueller testifies

By Veronica Rocha, Meg Wagner and Amanda Wills, CNN

Updated 11:29 a.m. ET, July 25, 2019
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5:47 p.m. ET, July 24, 2019

Mueller deferred or declined to answer questions 206 times today

From CNN's Sam Fossum and Tara Subramaniam

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Robert Mueller deferred or declined to answer questions from members of Congress at least 82 times during his testimony in front of the House Intelligence Committee, according to a CNN analysis. Of those instances, Mueller referred lawmakers to his report at least four times.

Earlier today, while testifying in front of the House Judiciary Committee Mueller deferred or declined to answer questions from lawmakers at least 124 times during his three and a half hours of testimony. Of those instances, Mueller referred lawmakers to his report at least 39 times.

Over the course of the day he deferred or declined to answer questions 206 times. Of those instances, Mueller referred lawmakers to his report at least 43 times.

3:53 p.m. ET, July 24, 2019

The second hearing just wrapped up

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Eric Thayer/Bloomberg/Getty Images

Former special counsel Robert Mueller's second, and final, hearing of the day just wrapped up.

Mueller's first hearing started at 8:30 a.m., which means he testified for seven hours (including a lunch recess and two other short breaks).

3:34 p.m. ET, July 24, 2019

Mueller was asked if Trump's written responses were adequate. Here's what he said

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J. Scott Applewhite/AP

Rep. Val Demings, in her questioning today, sought to learn more about Robert Mueller's thoughts on President Trump's participation in his investigation.

She asked Mueller: "Director Mueller, isn't it fair to say the President's written answers were not only inadequate and incomplete, because he didn't answer many of your questions, but where he did, his answers showed he wasn't always being truthful?"

Mueller responded in four simple words: "I would say generally."

3:23 p.m. ET, July 24, 2019

Michael Cohen is watching from the common room of his prison

Michael Cohen is watching Mueller testify today in a packed common room of inmates at FCI Otisville. 

Here's the statement that was provided to CNN:

 “Mr. Mueller today had the world stage to answer questions regarding obstruction of justice and witness tampering. Sadly, his reluctance just continues to leave the debate open and those responsible free from prosecution ... for the moment. The American people deserve more! The allegations raised against me in the Steele dossier were blatant lies. At least today’s hearings confirmed this. If our elected officials want more information or clarification they know where to find me...”
3:21 p.m. ET, July 24, 2019

Mueller reveals why he didn't subpoena Trump

Former special counsel Robert Mueller said he and his team negotiated with President Trump for "a little over a year" about a possible interview, but they eventually decided not to subpoena him so they could end the investigation in a timely fashion.

"But finally, when we were almost towards the end of our investigation, and we had little success in pushing to get the interview of the President, we decided that we did not want to exercise the subpoena powers because of the necessity of expediting the end the investigation," Mueller said.

He added: "The expectation was if we did subpoena the President, he would fight the subpoena, and we would be in the midst of the investigation for a substantial period of time."

3:15 p.m. ET, July 24, 2019

Mueller on foreign interference: "I hope this is not the new normal. But I fear it is."

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Robert Mueller says he's worried that future campaigns won't report foreign influence to authorities.

Rep. Peter Welch, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, raised the issue during his time.

"My concern is, have we established a new normal from this past campaign that is going to apply to future campaigns so that any one of us from the US House, any candidate for the Senate, any candidate for the presidency of the United States, aware that if a hostile foreign powers is trying to influence an election has no duty to report that to the FBI or other authorities?" Welch asked.

Mueller responded: "I hope this is not the new normal. But I fear it is."

Welch went on to ask Mueller if he had any advice for Congress on protecting the electoral system.

"I would say the basis — the first line of defense really is the ability of the various agencies who have some piece of this to not only share explanation, but shared expertise, to share targets, to use the full resources that we have, to address this problem," Mueller said.

3:07 p.m. ET, July 24, 2019

Russians are interfering with elections "as we sit here," Mueller says

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Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg/Getty Images

Robert Mueller said the Russians expect to meddle in the 2020 election.

The remark came after Rep. Will Hurd asked Mueller if he thought the interference was a single attempt.

Here's the exchange:

Hurd: Is this –– in your investigation, did you think that this was a single attempt by the Russians to get involved in our election? Or did you find evidence to suggest they'll try to do this again.

Mueller: It wasn't a single attempt. They're doing it as we sit here. And they expect to do it during the next campaign.

2:56 p.m. ET, July 24, 2019

Mueller refuses to answer a question that was addressed in his report

From CNN's Marshall Cohen

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Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg/Getty Images

Robert Mueller just refused to answer a question that is addressed in his report.

He wouldn’t talk about whether he tried to interview Donald Trump Jr.

The Mueller report says, in plain language, that the special counsel’s office asked Trump Jr. for a voluntary interview, but he refused.

Here's that exchange:  

Swalwell: "Did you want to interview Donald Trump Jr.?"

Mueller: "I'm not going to discuss that."

Swalwell: Did you subpoena Donald Trump Jr.?

Mueller: "And I'm not going to discuss that."

This came up in the Mueller report, in a section about the Trump Tower meeting:

 “Trump Jr., Manafort, and Kushner participated on the Trump side, while Kaveladze, Samochomov, Akhmetshin, and Goldstone attended with Veselnitskaya. The Office spoke to every participant except Veselnitskaya and Trump Jr., the latter of whom declined to be voluntarily interviewed by the Office.”
2:49 p.m. ET, July 24, 2019

Mueller has deferred or declined to answer questions at least 60 times in the second hearing

From CNN's Sam Fossum and Tara Subramaniam

As of 2:45 p.m. ET, Robert Mueller has deferred or declined to answer questions from members of Congress at least 60 times in the second hearing, according to a CNN analysis. Of those instances Mueller referred lawmakers to his report at least 3 times.

Earlier today, while testifying in front of the House Judiciary Committee Mueller deferred or declined to answer questions from lawmakers at least 124 times during his three and a half hours of testimony. Of those instances, Mueller referred lawmakers to his report at least 39 times.