Next phase in Trump impeachment inquiry begins

By Meg Wagner, Mike Hayes and Veronica Rocha, CNN

Updated 8:13 a.m. ET, December 5, 2019
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5:39 p.m. ET, December 4, 2019

Melania Trump: Pamela Karlan should be "ashamed" for bringing up Barron Trump

First lady Melania Trump said Pamela Karlan should "be ashamed" after the law professor brought up Barron Trump at today's impeachment hearing.

"A minor child deserves privacy and should be kept out of politics," she tweeted.

This is her first public comment of any kind about the impeachment inquiry.

Earlier today, White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham called Karlan's mention of Barron Trump "classless."

What this is all about: During today's hearing, Karlan was asked to compare the fears of the framers of the US Constitution — who worried that a monarchy could prevail in the US — to President Trump's behavior.

She said that "kings could do no wrong, because the king's word was law." But in the US, "contrary to what President Trump has said, Article II does not give him the power to do anything he wants."

That's when she brought up Barron Trump as a specific example: "The Constitution says there can be no titles of nobility. So while the President can name his son Barron, he can't make him a baron."

A Republican congressman later read the first lady's tweet during the hearing and entered it into the official record.

5:12 p.m. ET, December 4, 2019

A GOP congressman just asked the 4 professors if they voted for Trump


GOP Rep. Tom McClintock just asked the four law professors testifying at today's hearing about how they voted in the 2016 election.

"With a show of hands, how many on the panel actually voted for Donald Trump in 2016?" he asked.

Pamela Karlan, a professor from Stanford Law School, immediately protested. 

"I don't think we're obligated to say anything about how we cast our ballots," Karlan said.

"I will not —" she continued, before McClintock interrupted her.

McClintock continued: "I think you made your positions, professor Karlan, very, very clear."

Jerry Nadler, the chair of the Judiciary Committee, said McClintock could ask the question — but also said the witnesses did not have to respond.

"How many of you supported Donald Trump in 2016? Show of hands." he asked again.

None of the four witnesses — including Jonathan Turley, the sole GOP witness — raised their hand. That's when Noah Feldman added: "Not raising our hands is not an indication of an answer, sir."

Watch here:

5:02 p.m. ET, December 4, 2019

GOP representative claims professor has contempt for conservatives

From CNN's Holmes Lybrand

Saul Loeb/Pool via AP
Saul Loeb/Pool via AP

Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz spent much of his five minutes of allowed questioning time focusing on one of the four expert witnesses before the House Judiciary Committee: Pamela Karlan, a Stanford Law professor.

In his questioning, Gaetz attempted to paint Karlan as a liberal elite biased against conservatives.

Gaetz first noted that Karlan had previously given money to Democrats, including $1,200 to Barack Obama, $2,000 to Hillary Clinton and $1,000 to Elizabeth Warren. Karlan did not dispute these figures, but later noted that she has a constitutional right protected by the First Amendment to give money to candidates.

Gaetz then pressed Karlan over her appearance at an event affiliated with a podcast called Versus Trump, during which she said that conservatives generally spread out, geographically, “perhaps because they don’t even want to be around themselves,” Gaetz noted.

When asked if she realized that the comment “reflects contempt on people who are conservative,” Karlan replied that she “was talking about there was the natural tendency, if you put the quote in context, the natural tendency of a compactness requirement to favor a party whose voters are more spread out.”

“And I do not have contempt for conservatives,” Karlan concluded.

Gaetz then moved on to attack her reference to President Trump’s son, Barron, when she joked that while Trump could name his son Barron, it does not make him a king.

“Let me also suggest that when you invoke the Presidents son’s name here,” Gaetz said, “when you try to make a little joke out of referencing Barron Trump, that does not lend credibility to your argument. It makes you look mean. It makes you look like you're attacking someone's family. The minor child of the president of the United States.”

Gaetz did not permit Karlan to respond.

Watch here:

4:33 p.m. ET, December 4, 2019

The hearing has resumed

Members will continue their 5-minute rounds of questioning.

4:24 p.m. ET, December 4, 2019

January is missing from the 2020 Senate calendar due to "uncertainty over impeachment," aide says

From CNN's Ted Barrett

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s office has released the Senate schedule for 2020. The month of January is absent from the 2020 calendar.

January was left off the calendar because of “uncertainty over impeachment," according to a GOP leadership aide.

Another GOP aide said there was pressure to get the calendar out so the Senate community can set vacations. Not knowing exactly how to set the Senate schedule for January – with so much up in the air about how or if a trial will proceed – was holding them up, the aide said.

They do expect to send out a January schedule at some point, one of the aides said.

Note: The days in red are the weeks the Senate plans to be in recess.

4:17 p.m. ET, December 4, 2019

The hearing is on a short break

4:22 p.m. ET, December 4, 2019

Karlan reminds committee that she has a constitutional right to donate money to candidates

Jacquelyn Martin/AP
Jacquelyn Martin/AP

In a rebuttal to earlier comments by Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz — who brought up that she donated money to several Democratic politicians, including Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and Elizabeth Warren — professor Pamela Karlan pointed out that she has a constitutional right under the First Amendment to donate money to candidates.

"I have a constitutional right under the First Amendment to give money to candidates," Karlan said. "At the same time, we have a constitutional duty to keep foreigners from spending money in our elections — and those two things are two sides of the same coin." 
4:15 p.m. ET, December 4, 2019

Any interference in our electoral process by foreign governments is "a disaster," Feldman says


Harvard Law professor Noah Feldman called any interference from foreign governments in the electoral process "a disaster."

The question was posed by David Cicilline, a Democrat from Rhode Island, during the Judiciary Committee hearing.

"How would it impact our democracy if it became standard practice for the President of the United States to ask a foreign government to interfere with our elections?" Cicilline asked.

"It would be a disaster for the functioning of our democracy if our presidents regularly, as this president has done, ask foreign governments to interfere in our electoral process," Feldman said.
4:12 p.m. ET, December 4, 2019

Jordan says Ukrainians didn't know about aid freeze at time of July 25 call. Here's what we know.

From CNN's Holmes Lybrand


During today's hearing, Republican Rep. Jim Jordan argued that there were four facts that flew against the Democrats impeachment inquiry, among them was Jordan’s assertion that the “Ukrainians…didn’t know that the aid was held up at the time of the [July 25] phone call.”

What we know: It’s unclear when exactly Ukrainian government officials knew that nearly $400 million in military and security aid was being withheld. But there is evidence to suggest that some of them suspected there was an issue with the funding as early as July 25, the same day as Trump’s phone call with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky.

According to testimony from Laura Cooper, the deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia, before the House Intelligence Committee, some members of her staff told her that they had received queries about the aid from Ukrainian officials on July 25.

Cooper did not, however, know if the Ukrainian officials were aware of a hold on the aid or were just checking in.

The New York Times has reported that, according to Olena Zerkal, an ex-top official in Kiev, members of the Ukrainian government knew the aid was being held up at some point in late July, but Zerkal could not recall the exact date.

It wasn’t until Politico reported in late August that President Trump was withholding military aid to Ukraine that top Zelensky adviser, Andrey Yermak, texted Kurt Volker, Trump's special envoy for Ukraine, with a link to the article and a message “we need to talk.”