Four key impeachment witnesses testify

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8:44 p.m. ET, November 19, 2019

Volker: The US is "not pushing back hard enough on Russia"


During his questioning of Kurt Volker, Rep. Denny Heck asked the former US envoy to Ukraine to explain to people watching at home why support for Ukraine is so important.

Volker said the US is "not pushing back hard enough on Russia, and we owe Ukraine a great deal of support." 

"Russia is trying to upend security in Europe. It's trying to reassert its domination of neighboring countries, whether it's Georgia, Ukraine or the Baltic states. It has led to war in Europe. The war in Ukraine has left more people dead in Europe than anything since the Balkans. More people displaced in the war in Europe since anything since World War II," he said.

Volker continued by saying that Ukrainians "want reform" and want to see their country as "successful."

"They are fighting a war of aggression against them designed to hold them back. And if we want to live in a world of freedom for the united States, we ought to be supporting freedom for people around the world," he said.

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8:02 p.m. ET, November 19, 2019

Morrison says investigating the Bidens "was not a policy objective"


Former National Security Council aide Tim Morrison said he never asked his Ukrainian counterparts to investigate the Bidens because "it was not a policy objective."

Early in his line of questioning, Rep. Eric Swalwell, a Democrat from California, asked if the President "executes the foreign policy of the United States."

Morrison — who was on the July 25 call between President Trump and Ukraine's president — responded, "yes."

Here's how the rest of Swalwell's exchange with Morrison played out:

Swalwell: "How many times when you talked to your Ukrainian counterparts did you ask them to investigate the Bidens?"
Morrison: "Never, sir."
Swalwell: "Why not?"
Morrison: "Sir, it was not a policy objective that I was aware of."
Swalwell: "But with all due respect, Mr. Morrison, you're not in the White House to carry out your policy objectives. You just testified that the President sets the foreign policy objectives for the United States and the one call that you listened to between the President of the United States and the president of Ukraine, the President of the United States priorities were to investigate the Bidens and I'm asking you, sir, why didn't you follow up on the President's priorities when you talked to the Ukrainians?"
Morrison: "Sir, I did not understand it as a policy objective."
7:38 p.m. ET, November 19, 2019

What we know about about protecting a whistleblower's identity


Rep. Mike Conaway asked Chairman Adam Schiff to put into the record “the federal statute that provides for absolute immunity or right to immunity that you've exerted over and over and over.”

Schiff responded that he was “happy to enter into the record the whistleblower statute that allows the whistleblower to remain anonymous.”

While Schiff did not specify which statute he was entering, no law explicitly prevents anyone, other than the inspector general and their staff, from revealing the name of a whistleblower. But that doesn't mean it's legal.

Under 2012 guidelines issued by President Obama, whistleblowers are protected from work-related retaliation, including "an appointment, promotion, or performance evaluation, or any other significant change in duties, responsibilities or working conditions."

Robert Litt, former general counsel for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence under Obama, argues it could be considered retaliatory if the individual disclosing the name is also a member of the intelligence community. But Litt notes that if a members of Congress identified the whistleblower on the floor of Congress, they would be protected from criminal prosecution under the Speech or Debate Clause.

Experts note that this situation is largely unprecedented, therefore the answer is not so cut and dried.

You can read more about the protections regarding anonymity that whistleblowers have here.

7:38 p.m. ET, November 19, 2019

This GOP congresswoman just asked a series of rapid-fire questions about Trump's July 25 call


Republican Rep. Elise Stefanik used her time to ask Kurt Volker and Tim Morrison a series of rapid-fire questions about President Trump's July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Starting with Morrison, who was on the call, Stefanik asked him: "There was no mention of withholding aid on the call, correct? 

"That is correct, congresswoman," he replied.

The exchange continued:

Stefanik: "And there was no quid pro quo, correct?"
Morrison: "Correct."
Stefanik: "No bribery?" 
Morrison: "Correct."
Stefanik: "No extortion?" 
Morrison: "Correct." 

She repeated the same line of questions for Volker whose answers mirrored those given by Morrison.

7:24 p.m. ET, November 19, 2019

Morrison: I "noted" concerns about Vindman leaking information but "didn't take them for face value"


Tim Morrison said he "noted" concerns from staffers that Lt. Col Alexander Vindman may have leaked information — but he "didn't take them for face value."

This morning, Vindman, a National Security Council aide, testified under oath that he never leaked information.

Asked about Morrison's previous testimony — in which he said Vindman may have leaked information — Vindman said it was "preposterous" to think he'd leak.

Jackie Speier, a Democrat from California, just asked Morrison about Vindman's response to his previous testimony.

"Now would you, therefore, want to maybe rearrange your comments about the references you made to Col. Vindman?" she asked.

"No, ma'am," Morrison responded.

"So even though under oath he said that he has never leaked, you're believing people who said to you that he may have leaked?" she asked.

"Ma'am, I didn't believe or disbelieve them. I'm relaying what they told me," he said.

Morrison continued:

"Those concerns were noted. I didn't take them for face value. I treated them as representations of others. I was on alert, but I formed my own judgements,"
7:19 p.m. ET, November 19, 2019

Volker: What Giuliani was saying about Ukraine was a "problem"

Rep. Brad Wenstrup asked former special envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker if part of his job meant working "through any means available," including with the President's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani in order to get his "message and advice" to Trump.

Volker said he believed "the messages being conveyed to Mr. Giuliani were a problem" because they were "at variance with our official message to the President" and "not conveying that positive assessment" that Volker and others had of the new Ukrainian president.

Volker added: "So I thought it was important to try to step in and fix the problem."


7:35 p.m. ET, November 19, 2019

Volker says he found the reference to Biden on Trump's July 25 call unacceptable


Democratic Rep. Jim Himes asked Kurt Volker to expand on his testimony about the President's July 25 call with the Ukrainian president.

In his latest testimony, Volker said he found the record of the call unacceptable.

Asked by Himes what he specifically found "unacceptable or troubling," Volker said, "It is — the reference to Vice President Biden." 

6:45 p.m. ET, November 19, 2019

2 top Pence aides dismiss Williams' concerns

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Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

After a high level national security aide detailed to Vice President Mike Pence's office testified that President Trump's call with the Ukrainian president was "unusual," two of his top aides are dismissing her concerns.

Jennifer Williams, a State Department employee, went before lawmakers today. Later, Pence’s national security adviser Keith Kellogg issued a rare statement saying he “heard nothing wrong or improper on the call.”

“I had and have no concerns,” the retired general wrote. “Ms. Williams was also on the call, and as she testified, she never reported any personal or professional concerns to me, her direct supervisor, regarding the call. In fact, she never reported any personal or professional concerns to any other member of the vice president’s staff, including our Chief of Staff and the Vice President.”

In her testimony, Williams, who has been detailed to Pence’s office since April, was asked if she expressed concerns to anyone in her office.

"My supervisor was in listening on the call as well, so because he had heard the same information, I did not feel the need to have a further conversation with him about it,” Williams said.

It’s unclear if Kellogg briefed the vice president on what Trump said on the July call that’s now at the center of the impeachment inquiry.

“Today, in her testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Ms. Williams also accurately testified regarding the vice president’s preparation for and conduct during his Sept. 1 meeting in Poland with President Zelensky,” Kellogg continued. 

“In her testimony, she affirmed that the vice president focused on President Zelensky’s anti-corruption efforts and the lack of European support and never mentioned former Vice President Joe Biden, Crowdstrike, Burisma, or investigations in any communication with Ukrainians," Kellogg added.

Pence’s chief of staff Marc Short also went on television after Williams testified, though he said he didn’t know if she had political motivations.

“I think she is a career State Department employee detailed to help us out on specific areas of her expertise. But I don't know her political affinity," he said.

The vice president’s office has spent the last several days distancing itself from Williams — describing her only as a State Department employee after Trump claimed she was a "Never Trumper," which she denied today under oath. 

7:35 p.m. ET, November 19, 2019

A Republican has twice called this hearing a "drug deal"

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Alex Brandon/AP

The top Republican on the Intelligence Committee, Rep. Devin Nunes, has twice called today’s impeachment hearings a “drug deal.”

It’s an interesting use of phrase since it’s already in use in the impeachment inquiry.

Fiona Hill, a former National Security Council official, said during her closed deposition that her former boss, national security adviser John Bolton, referenced a “drug deal” when told of a linkage between US assistance and investigations into Trump’s political rivals.

“I am not part of whatever drug deal (US Ambassador to the EU Gordon) Sondland and (acting White House Chief of Staff Mick) Mulvaney are cooking up on this,” was Bolton’s message.

Nunes is obviously making a different point — that the proceedings are somehow a sham.

“People aren't buying the drug deal that you are trying to sell,” he said as this round of questioning began.

Whether he was intentionally trying to refer back to Bolton’s alleged claim isn’t clear.