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Possible Terrorism at OSU; Missing Woman Found on Road; Alabama Teen Attacked at School; Dylann Roof to Represent Himself; Bus Driver Facing Charges After Six Kids Killed; 71 Pounds of Marijuana in Christmas Presents. Aired 8-9p ET

Aired November 28, 2016 - 20:00:00   ET

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[20:00:00] ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HLN HOST: Breaking news. A knife-wielding attacker goes on a violent spree at Ohio State University.

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BANFIELD (voice-over): A missing mom flags down motorists roadside. She is chained and badly beaten, but she`s alive after disappearing three weeks

ago.

A 13-year-old boy chased through the halls of his school, a gang of kids taking turns pushing, shoving and hitting him.

One (ph) a car carrying a family to Thanksgiving dinner. A 22-year-old felon on the run from police smashes into them, killing mom, dad and their

baby girl.

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BANFIELD: Hi, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. We`ve got some breaking news out of Ohio State University. An 18-year-old student rammed a car

into pedestrians, and then attacked several students with a butcher knife, injuring more than 10, police fatally shooting that suspect. His name,

Abdul Razak Ali Artan, and a Facebook page believed to belong to the suspect carrying grievances about attacks on Muslims.

Today`s attack echoes a statement two years ago from an ISIS operative who urged knife attacks and car attacks on Westerners. It says, and I quote,

"Smash his head with a rock or slaughter him with a knife or run over him with your car or throw him down from a high place or choke him or poison

him." And today, you see the highlighted, a knife and a car the weapons.

Our CNN justice correspondent Pam Brown joins us live from Columbus, Ohio. Pam, just run me through exactly what we know about this now dead suspect.

PAM BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, well, we`re learning that this suspect, Abdul Artan, posted on his Facebook page just before he launched that

attack here in Columbus, Ohio, this morning. And it talked about grievances regarding on attacks on Muslims. And we have the post right

here. It says, "My brothers and sisters, I am sick and tired of seeing my fellow Muslim brothers and sisters being killed and tortured everywhere.

Seeing my fellow Muslim tortured, raped and killed in Burma led to a boiling point. I can`t take it anymore."

He goes on to say in this post allegedly, "America, stop interfering with other countries. By Allah, we will not let you sleep unless you give peace

to the Muslims. You will not celebrate or enjoy any holiday."

I can tell you, Ashleigh, that investigators have been scrutinizing this Facebook post, look at it, trying to determine a motive and figure out

whether this was an act of terrorism. At this point, that is certainly a possibility. We heard from officials today saying that is a possibility,

but they can`t rule out there were any other motives until they fully investigate.

They have been going through other social media accounts, talking to family and friends, trying to figure out why this 18-year-old student at the Ohio

State University would do something like this, drive his speeding car into a crowd, and then get out and start slashing people with a knife.

We have learned that the student, the suspect is from Somalia, Ashleigh, and he came here just a couple of years ago and became a legal permanent

resident here in the United States. Still a lot to learn, though, about the why, and why now, Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: No kidding. And I`ll tell you what, Pam. I`m just reading some material from a student-run newspaper just from back in August, where this

man -- this young man certainly played the victim.

Let me just quote. He said, "I wanted to pray in the open, but I was scared with everything going on in the media. I`m a Muslim. It`s not what

the media portrays me to be. If people look at me, a Muslim praying, I don`t know what they`re going to think, what`s going to happen," once again

portraying himself to be the victim, worried that he`s going to be victimized and worried that Muslims are going to be victimized by others.

And then he does this?

BROWN: Right. Yes, it`s clear, Ashleigh, I mean, you know, you can`t put logic to the illogical, and that is what happened here this morning at the

Ohio State University campus. But it`s clear he was -- felt uncomfortable about showing his Muslim faith on campus in that interview that he did with

the school newspaper, talking about how he felt sort of self-conscious praying and showing his face on campus. And as you said, he clearly looked

at himself as the victim.

And then you read through these social media posts where he talks about, you know, grievances regarding attacks on other Muslims, and again, going

along as though he is the victim. And so investigators are trying to piece together just a clear picture of what was in his mind. But clearly, this

was a deeply troubled individual, Ashleigh.

BANFIELD: Deeply troubled. Pamela, thank you. And I`m just seeing now an employee at Home Depot said that he worked with this man, and actually

described him as, quote, "a nice, non-violent person. He talked to everybody."

[20:05:04]Obviously, so many more questions than answers at this point, but we`re watching this story. And you`re looking at the picture of the man

who police shot dead within two minutes of this very violent -- a potential terrorist attack. We`re going to continue watching. Our thanks to Pam

Brown on that one.

And we`re also following breaking news that`s coming out of California, the case where that jogger who vanished three weeks ago on a routine run

actually survived to tell her story, but we don`t know it yet and we don`t know who she`s telling yet.

But by some miracle, this woman, Sherri Papini, was found alive early Thanksgiving Day. She was more than 100 miles from her home. She was

badly beaten. She was chained and she was dumped on the side of a rural road, possibly left for dead, but she wasn`t and she managed to call out

for help.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did (INAUDIBLE) say she`s chained up?

911 OPERATOR: CHP is on scene and advised that she is chained to something.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Copy. Kidnap. Things coming across. FYI.

911 OPERATOR: CHP is advising she is heavily battered, and it is confirmed kidnapping.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Copy. She`s on the freeway?

911 OPERATOR: Affirmed, northbound I-5 just south of Yolo.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Just south of Yolo. And tonight, police are looking for two women in a dark SUV. And of course, they`re looking for a motive.

Authorities say those women they`re looking for apparently are armed with a handgun, and so far, they don`t know a whole lot more, or at least they`re

not saying so.

Joining me now, Alayna Shulman, a reporter with "The Record Searchlight," Tom Bosenko, the sheriff and the coroner of Shasta County. Former federal

prosecutor Doug Burns is with us, former prosecutor Christine Grillo (ph) is here and defense attorney, CNN and HLN legal analyst Joe Jackson is

here, too.

Alayna, if I can begin with you -- this is such a strange story. And I`ve got to be honest with you. It seems like a Thanksgiving miracle, the fact

that Sherri Papini, after three weeks of being missing, is mysteriously found terribly injured, chained on the side of a road. What more do we

know?

ALAYNA SHULMAN, "RECORD SEARCHLIGHT" (via telephone): Not a whole lot more than that at this point. The part about her injuries -- they`re not

saying. They did say she was treated and released, which I am told by the sheriff means -- you know, it does indeed mean, you know, not admitted for

anything like a broken bone, for example. Won`t say whether she was sexually assaulted.

You know, it`s kind of more questions than answers situation right now. And you know, just that morning at the -- an annual Thanksgiving run in

town, they had their planned balloon release, or you know, raising awareness about her being missing, and it turned out she`s been found.

BANFIELD: So you know, what`s so curious about all of this is the condition in which she was found. All we can tell is what we heard that

dispatcher say -- she`s on the side of the road, she is badly beaten, she is chained to something. Do we know if she was able to escape her

kidnappers and still had, you know, her restraints on her, or was she literally dumped out of her kidnapper`s vehicle?

SHULMAN: Yes, that`s a good question. I did actually just about an hour ago talk to the sheriff a little bit more about that. He -- you know, he

did know that they weren`t the responding agency, but it is their case, so they know it quite well. And he`s phrasing it as -- let`s see here, what

did he -- you know, he basically indicated dropped off, not escape. And then as far as...

BANFIELD: That`s soft pedaling, if I`ve heard soft pedaling, dropped off, a woman who`s badly beaten and chained? Is that literally...

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: Good God, don`t tell me they said dropped off!

SHULMAN: (INAUDIBLE) released, dropped off, however you want to refer to it. She walked to a nearby church and then nobody was there, and then

walked to I-5 near road 17, where she flagged down a motorist. That`s what he just told me.

As far as whether she was chained to something, he didn`t say, you know, yes, she was or no, she wasn`t. That was his response to that. He said we

weren`t specific on how she was restrained, and then he explained that part about dropped off or released, walked to a church, and then flagged someone

down.

BANFIELD: And again, not clear whether she was chained to something or just chained.

SHULMAN: Yes, that`s still a bit unclear.

BANFIELD: Very -- I mean, listen, it is all unclear. It`s very strange, Alayna. I`m looking at some of the pictures of the sheriff of Shasta

County had responded to this. Usually by this point -- and we are what now, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday Monday -- four days out after her

discovery -- and quite frankly, I`m going to count Thanksgiving because it was 4:00 o`clock in the morning.

SHULMAN: Yes, they were (INAUDIBLE)

BANFIELD: So five days out. Right. It sounds to me it`s the middle of the night where she gets dropped off on the side of the road. Usually by

this point, we have a few more answers. Can I ask you, do we know if they`ve been able to interview her or do we just not know what the

interviewers have discovered?

[20:10:02]SHULMAN: Well, both. They did an initial interview with her that didn`t yield much. You know, he kind of chalked it up to trauma. He

said just today they did a lengthy interview with her, but as of the time he and I spoke, the results of that interview were not yet available to

him. He said he`s not sure if they`re going to interview her again. It depends on...

BANFIELD: Who did the interview?

SHULMAN: ... what they got out of today`s interview...

BANFIELD: What county? What county did the interview?

SHULMAN: I`m sorry?

BANFIELD: What agency?

(CROSSTALK)

SHULMAN: Shasta. Yes.

BANFIELD: Hold right there, if you would for a minute because I am really lucky at this moment to be joined by Sheriff Tom Bosenko, who happens to be

the sheriff and the coroner of Shasta County. Sheriff, can you hear me?

TOM BOSENKO, SHERIFF-CORONER SHASTA COUNTY (via telephone): Yes, ma`am.

BANFIELD: Sir, thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us. You`ve got to admit -- we`re all a bit mystified out here about what

happened to this young woman. What have you been able to find out?

BOSENKO: Well (INAUDIBLE) you already know that she went missing on November 2nd. She was considered a person missing at risk due to the

circumstances. She was missing for about three weeks. We don`t know where. And then on Thanksgiving morning at about 4:30 in the morning, she

was discovered. Evidently, one of her captors had driven her to a rural county road near interstate 5 about 150 miles south of Redding, California.

That`s where we`re located, and released her.

She was still in restraints. She was able to walk to a nearby church, which no one was there, and then she walked back and was able to flag down

a motorist near county road 17 and interstate 5, which is in Yolo County. And then the motorist summoned emergency help with California Highway

Patrol and Yolo County sheriff`s office and medical personnel.

BANFIELD: So Sheriff, what`s so confusing about this is what she said about her ordeal. You`ve been able to interview her, whether it`s you or

your agents. What was she able to tell you about what she went through in those three weeks?

BOSENKO: Initially, she was treated at a local area hospital in the Yolo, Sacramento area, and she was able to provide some minimal amount of

information about the account, a limited suspect description, which were two Hispanic female adults that had been armed with a handgun that had

abducted her and kept her captive. She was unable to provide where she was held captive.

BANFIELD: Why is that? Why did she not know? Was she blindfolded?

BOSENKO: ... and then she was released on Thanksgiving morning.

BANFIELD: You know what, Sheriff? I lost a little bit of what you said there, but in the middle of it, I was asking a question, so I`m sorry if I

spoke over you. But my question was, why was she not able to provide her location? Was she kidnapped? Was she kept in some -- some area where she

was unable to see anything? Explain why that is.

BOSENKO: (INAUDIBLE) and then captive for approximately three weeks time.

BANFIELD: You know what? I`m so sorry, I`m going to ask you to repeat it again only because I think you`re on a cell phone with dropoff and it

happened to be in the some of the most important things you just said. Did you say she was blindfolded?

BOSENKO: No, I did not say that. I said she was abducted, held captive for about three weeks, and then released.

BANFIELD: So what was she able to say about why she was held and the people, what the people told her, these two women? Why did -- why did --

what did the women tell her they`d grabbed her?

BOSENKO: Initially, when we interviewed her on Thanksgiving day, she wasn`t able to provide really specific details. Obviously, she had been

abducted, held captive for three weeks and traumatized. And sometimes, the human mind had blocked out some traumatic events.

We -- my investigators reinterviewed her today and had quite a lengthy interview. And as we speak, they`re going over the content of her

interview amongst themselves. And then, if necessary, they may end up having to have followup interviews. Or if she recalls more details about

the incident, we`ll have to obtain those from her, as well.

BANFIELD: Was she kept in a home? Was she kept in a room? Was she kept in a shed? Was she kept in a vehicle? I mean, for instance, we covered a

case a few weeks ago where a young woman was kept in a shipping container. Does she know vaguely in what kind of structure was she kept?

BOSENKO: She has provided us with some information, albeit very limited, but I`m not at liberty to share that with you as this is an active and

ongoing investigation.

[20:15:08]BANFIELD: Sheriff, you`re killing me here. This is really frustrated...

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: ... just so odd. And we all jumped in to try to help find her. Now we`ve found her, and the natural question would be, What the hell

happened?

BOSENKO: Well, that`s what we`re trying to determine now. Our investigators have been working over this whole three-week period, trying

to find her and develop any leads. They`ve pursued over 400 leads that came in during this three-week period of time.

And then, of course, on Thanksgiving morning, it all broke loose. They get saddled up and move on down 150 miles down the road for the followup

investigation when she was discovered in Yolo County. And then the investigation has been...

BANFIELD: Can you at least help me -- sorry Sheriff. Can you at least help me understand -- when the report came in that she was heavily beaten,

and the you just mentioned a series of traumatic events, can you at least explain what physically happened to her?

BOSENKO: I cannot and won`t go into specifics about her physical injuries. We haven`t released those publicly. We have said that she was found

restrained. She did have injuries, albeit non-life-threatening injuries that she received medical treatment for.

BANFIELD: Is there anything about her story that you don`t believe?

BOSENKO: No, not at this point, nothing to indicate otherwise that she was in fact abducted and held captive.

BANFIELD: I hope we can have you back when we`re able to ascertain a few more details about this mystery because I think a lot of people are very

released that she`s OK but very mystified what happened to this young woman while the rest of this country tried to find her, helped to find her, did

what they could to find her, and ultimately are left sort of with a lot of empty questions. Can you join me again sometime, Sheriff?

BOSENKO: You bet that we can. And of course, we have many of the same questions that the general public has that we`re trying to gain answers to,

as well. Unfortunately, this isn`t like TV where the case gets solved within an hour.

BANFIELD: I hear you. But I think the most interesting thing you just said was the last thing you just said, that you have potentially as many

questions as I do. Sheriff, I look forward to speaking to you again. Thank you, sir.

BOSENKO: All right. Take care, and have a nice day.

BANFIELD: You, too. And we`re going to move on to another story after the break, and I really want you to stay with me, if you would. If you`re a

parent, even if you`re not, there is a case of what looked like pretty awful bullying. I know you`ve heard of that, happens in schools all across

the country. But this happened to be caught on tape in a hallway. And the kid tried to run, tried to find a teacher, couldn`t. And the bullying just

kept on happening. It turned into beatings. It`s kind of harrowing. So stay with me. I`m going to show it to you in just a moment.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[20:21:52]BANFIELD: Tonight, we`re trying to get our heads around some video that came across our desk. A 13-year-old boy -- I`m going to share

it with you in a minute, but I want you to know this. He`s from Alabama and he sure went through a slew of punches and shoves and kicks and all the

rest when a group of kids chased him through his middle school. Take a look. (INAUDIBLE) I want you to listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(SHOUTING)

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BANFIELD: So you can see for yourself what happened to Drew Breton. This is him, just trying to calmly walk away from this small group of kids --

but real nasty, nasty behavior that you`re witnessing. Keeps his cool, keeps on going. Ultimately tries to make a break for it. Cannot outrun

these kids.

Where are the teachers? Keep watching. I don`t see one. I haven`t seen one. I`ve looked at this video three times, I have not seen a teacher who

stepped in to stop this. I have not seen a student, either. What I have seen is just about my worst nightmare. And if you`re out there, folks, and

you`ve got kids in school, I have a sinking feeling you feel the same way. Oh! Just appalling.

I want to bring in syndicated talk show host Dave Mack. Drew Breton and his mother, Kimberly, are with us, as well. Jody Blanco (ph) a bulling

survivor and expert and author of "Please Stop Laughing at Me" is going to join us, as well. And my legal team of experts is still here, as well.

Dave, just real quickly -- the story itself, the story -- I want you to just run through generally speaking what happened.

DAVE MACK, SYNDICATED TALK SHOW HOST: Ashleigh, this happens in schools every day. It happened today. Kids are committing suicide because -- he

is a rock star, man. He was walking down the hallway. He gets attacked by multiple kids. You know, you see one pushing, but you hear the others

egging him on. You see other arms reaching in to beat him about the head.

He maintains his cool and he`s trying to get away. He`s trying to deescalate the situation. But you mentioned it. No teachers, no hall

monitors, no adults anywhere, and other kids are egging it on! Hit him again, push him again! They backed him into a corner.

This kid did everything right, even went home and told his mom, and he`s the one that got suspended from school? Somebody (INAUDIBLE) over this,

Ashleigh!

BANFIELD: So I want to bring in that mom that you just talked about and the young man who was featured in the center of that video. Kimberly

Breton and Drew Breton join me now. How are the two of you? Are you OK?

[20:25:02]KIMBERLY BRETON, DREW`S MOTHER: We`re pretty good. Doing good.

BANFIELD: Listen, first of all, Drew, good for you. You just heard Dave Mack say you`re a rock star. You did exactly the right thing by keeping

your cool. And I want to thank you as well for being so up front about this because this is something a lot of kids need to know about, and they

need to learn this lesson. So first and foremost, thank you, Drew.

And Kimberly, God, Dave just said it, your son was suspended. Ultimately, that suspension was rescinded. But what happened?

K. BRETON: What happened that day?

BANFIELD: Well, how did he get suspended, and then how did they ultimately figure out they suspended the wrong kid? Like, how did that all play out?

K. BRETON: He got paperwork to come home in (ph) school with him, and he left it. So I just went up there to talk them in person and find out he

was suspended for -- for (INAUDIBLE) incident, saying he was actively engaged in the fight. But then a few days later, we saw the -- found the

video and saw obviously he was not. He was doing all the right things.

BANFIELD: But for the grace of the video -- you know, the video showed that your son did everything right and was exonerated in this. But can I

just ask you a little bit about what happened before the video? Because as I understand it, Drew, you`ve been dealing with bullying for some time now,

right, Drew?

DREW BRETON, BULLIED AT SCHOOL: Yes.

BANFIELD: Tell me about it.

D. BRETON: More specific. Can you be more (INAUDIBLE)

BANFIELD: Yes. But I guess tell me a little bit what sort of stuff was going on before this incident happened and was videotaped. I think it`s

been going on for several weeks now, right?

D. BRETON: It`s been going on for quite a while. I mean, it started with names and just normal stuff that you normally hear. But then the day

before the video, I had been jumped after school as I was walking out of the building. And -- well, I got -- we were separated from -- from --

well, he had...

K. BRETON: He had been jumped the day before. I actually took pictures of it, and I found them on my camera, of the back of his ear because that`s

where the guy was hitting him in the back of the head, and then picked him up real quick and threw him on the ground and ran away.

And the teacher called me because he missed the bus and she was going to write a report and give it to the principal. And I think it was just --

she was supposed to call me the next day and she didn`t. And then Drew was surprised to see that kid still in school. And so he called the boy a

coward during PE period. And then the bell rang shortly after, and that`s what you saw, was the video after that whole...

BANFIELD: After the fact. Was this -- Drew, was this a whole group of kids or just this one kid who others seemed to admire for this kind of

behavior? Like, what was it?

D. BRETON: It`s a few kids. It`s a few kids. Like, literally meaning a few as in three. But yes.

BANFIELD: And what happened to them after this? Like, what ultimately was their punishment?

D. BRETON: Well, as far as I know, nothing except for being sent home for the day.

BANFIELD: Wait. That was it, one day? They were sent home for one day?

D. BRETON: Sent home for the day, yes, that it happened. So not even a full day. More like-

K. BRETON: Some other kids didn`t even -- nothing happened to them. I think now that the video has brought light to the whole incident

(INAUDIBLE) at school and it`s unfolding now because it`s after the holiday.

BANFIELD: Right. And Kimberly, as I understand it, they`re still investigating this. The school is not done. They`re looking into this.

They want to know more details. They`re probably asking more questions of kids. And I also get it, when you`re dealing with kids, you can`t release

a lot of information. You also can`t release the disciplinary record, so we may never know exactly what happens with these other kids.

But do you feel, Kimberly, that the school has done right by you and Drew, they`ve done the right thing here?

K. BRETON: Well, it`s kind of a little too late. I would like to see things in place, policies actually effective, you know, incident reports

given so that teachers and parents are all notified of different incidents that happen on a daily basis so that this could have been headed off a long

time ago.

It never would have escalated (INAUDIBLE) to physical violence and stuff had -- had it -- you know, policies and procedures that are -- should have

been in place were actually working. And there needs to be more security, definitely, in the hall.

BANFIELD: Well, that was my next question because as I watched that video over and over, I kept looking for a hall monitor.

[20:30:07] I kept looking for a grownup. I just kept looking for someone to rescue Drew. And I felt sick to my stomach as I watched this.

And Drew, I don`t know how you felt. Were you looking for a teacher? Were you looking for a grownup to help you and you just couldn`t find one?

BRETON: Yes, I was looking for a teacher to back away from the fight, but staff sucks.

BANFIELD: And then you ended up and it looked kind of cornered at the end there. Was it -- as it looked to me, looking at the video, you looked

cornered like you have no escape.

BRETON: That was my home room, like the class I was supposed to be going to and my bag was in that corner and I was going to go into that corner to

protect my stuff, not knowing that they probably wouldn`t have even known it was mine. I just went to protect my stuff and got cornered, and no

teacher.

BANFIELD: All right.

BRETON: The bell had rang and there`s no teachers in the hallway, no teachers to greet him in the class he`s going to in that corner.

BANFIELD: That`s what I couldn`t believe. That`s what I can`t believe. Kimberly and Drew, don`t go anywhere, OK, because when I come back after

the break, I want to ask you both, since you have just gone through a Thanksgiving break, and now it`s time to go back to the school, what`s that

going to be like and how you`re going to handle that because now that this thing has blown wide open, and that bullying is all over the place --

between 4 million and 5 million views, that`s how many times people have seen that video.

That`s how many kids and adults have been able to see what happened to Drew Breton. Is that going to make a difference? Because that`s not the first

time we`ve seen an incident like that. Let`s just hope that it might be one of the last. When we come back you`ll find out why that is. We`ll hear an

expert, get some tips, and if you`re a kid out there, guess what? We`ve got a tip for you too, in a minute.

[20:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: The video has gone viral and so a trouble to say has a seemingly bad epidemic of bullying. It`s not the first time you`ve heard about it,

but this video really brings it to another level, because someone just decided to record.

And at least that`s given us an inside look of what it looks like when you hear about this all the time. Jodee Blanco is a bullying survivor and also

an expert and author of "Please Stop Laughing at Me." Jodee, did you watch this video start to finish?

JODEE BLANCO, BULLYING SURVIVOR (via telephone): Like you, I watched it three or four times and each time I watched it, I was angrier and more

enraged.

BANFIELD: So is it classic or is there something here you see that we can learn from this? Is there something you can add to this video to help

everybody watching understand what the dynamics are, from the kids who are bullying and from Drew, who is the subject of this video you`re looking at?

BLANCO: Absolutely. First of all, Drew, you`re a champion and you did what every kid should do, and I know because I was a bullied kid. And now I

travel to schools all across the country and I speak and I work with bullied kids. And an answer to your question, Ashleigh, yes, this is

classic, it`s not unusual. But we can learn from it because Drew is a champion and his mother is a champion and they have the courage to speak

out.

First of all, what I tell kids when I speak across the country is that tattling hurts, telling helps. Tattling is just about getting someone into

trouble and of course kids don`t want to do that because they`re afraid. Telling is something else. Looking at this video and looking at the bully,

there`s one or two there that are leading the charge, the instigators. These are troubled kids. Something is up there.

So by Drew not tattling but telling, he`s not only saving thousands of other kids who are watching this who will now be inspired to tell

themselves, but he also may be saving the bully, because often they`re acting out and it`s not an act of hatred, they need help.

BANFIELD: They need help and we want to stop them from doing it to others as well. Drew, that is such an amazing thing that Jodee just said and I

hope you could hear Jodee, but Drew, now that you know that upwards of 5 million times that video has been played and seen online, do you feel like

you are a part of now the solution? Do you feel like you`re actually part of helping kids and parents and teachers, everyone understand what it`s

like, what it looks like, and what it means to self-advocate, which means stand up for yourself, do you feel like you`re part of this, Drew?

D. BRENTON: Yes.

BANFIELD: Do you feel like you have a lesson for other kids out there right now?

D. BRENTON: Do the right thing. Walk away and tell an adult.

K. BRENTON: He`s a little camera shy.

BANFIELD: Kimberly, you`re awesome, you`re adorable and you know what, everybody has said the same thing. You`re both terrific in the way you have

handled this. Drew, I`m going to add to the chorus. You`re a rock star. You`re a hero. What you`ve done and how you behaved is so grown up and keep

plugging, kiddo because I know you`re headed back to school after Wednesday, right?

D. BRENTON: Yes.

BANFIELD: OK.

K. BRENTON: Yes, they`re supposed to have new policies in effect so, he`ll be starting that Wednesday.

BANFIELD: You let us know how it goes, all right. We got your back. We got your back and so does everybody else who looked at that video. And to the

kids who are watching, look at that kid on your screen, that`s your example, your shining star, buster. And thanks a lot for telling your story

and thanks for being a great kid.

[20:40:00] K. BRENTON: And thank you for having us.

BANFIELD: OK. Take care, you two. Thank you so much, Kimberly Brenton and Drew Brenton joining us as well. We will follow that story. We will find

out how he does.

Then there`s this, the example of what never to be. That kid who shot and killed nine parishioners at a black church, Dylann Roof, now thinks he`s

smart enough to represent himself at trial.

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BANFIELD: This is that time of night where I make you all do a little bit of extra work. Officially, this is kind of a roundtable where we deal with

these stories, and I kind of have a feeling what you`re all going to say, but at the same time you often change your minds.

So, the first one is kind of an update because we`ve been following the story about Todd Kohlhepp, the guy who`s accused of keeping that woman - I

mentioned it earlier in the show -- keeping here in the shipping container, that guy. So now there`s another formal charge.

[20:45:08] Now he`s facing seven different murder charges and they`re still investigating. So, this is going to be a big story. I just wanted people to

know about it before we move on to our roundtable. And then there`s Dylann Roof. What`s that expression, you`re a fool if you have yourself for a

client or you`re a fool if you`re your own attorney.

JOEY JACKSON, CNN & HLN LEGAL ANALYST: A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client.

BANFIELD: Thank you. A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client. Have you met these people?

CHRISTINE GRILLO, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, yes. But you see, when he goes pro se, which is his right. He can go pro se, represent himself -- there is

going to be an attorney sitting next to him. There`s going to be a court appointed attorney sitting next to him to guide him.

I find the whole process completely offensive, because now we have to provide an attorney because you want to represent yourself, but we don`t

think you`re good enough to be able to do that --

BANFIELD: So this is him, Dylann Roof.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today is June 19th, 2015 --

BANFIELD: This is how he did his appearance in Chattanooga. This was June. But what`s interesting about him -- I`m sorry, this is Charleston not

Chattanooga -- it`s Charleston, South Carolina. This is the young man who is accused of murdering nine people in the Mother Emanuel Church. Super

racist in the things that he has said and done and now deciding to do -- clearly he`s a pretty young kid to be representing himself.

DOUG BURNS, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR: I tried three cases (inaudible) as a federal prosecutor against pro se defendants, which is quite unusual.

BANFIELD: Was it easy?

BURNS: It was very hard as a prosecutor. It`s extremely difficult because they don`t know the rules of evidence, they don`t know the rules of

procedure.

BANFIELAD: Doug, how does that not benefit you. It`s like shooting fish in a barrel.

BURNS: Yes it does, that`s right, but they were tax cases, and I don`t want to give you a wrong idea, but the reality is that in these types of

death penalty cases, a lot of times they`re really just trying to avoid the death penalty. In other words, he`s not really going for a not guilty

verdict.

JACKSON: But the problem I have the last days, it makes a mockery of a system, number one. And I get he has an absolute right. The viewers should

know, 40 years ago, the Supreme Court said that if you understand the proceedings and you could participate, you can represent yourself.

But it`s re-victimizing the victim and the people who he killed -- the families have been so loving, they have been so forgiving, they have been

so outpouring in their love and who they are, and for him to stand up in a court and potentially have to confront these people, I just think it`s a

tragedy --

GRILLO: And he will have to confront them. He has to cross examine every one of those victims.

BANFIELD: He wasn`t allowed to ask the questions in Voir Dire of potential jurors. I thought that was interesting.

JACKSON: But generally in federal court, the judge is asking the questions to the jury when you`re selecting a jury.

BURNS: But it creates (inaudible) the presence asking questions about themselves so it`s like, did you meet me?

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: And that`s a mockery. Let me move on to this awful bus crash in Chattanooga, Tennessee. John Anthony Walker, 24 years old, is facing just a

litany of charges regarding this bus incident last week where six kids were killed. This is the mug shot for John Anthony Walker, and we`re now

starting to learn about things that kids had said about him well before this crash. Reports have come in.

BURNS: There were a lot of dust-ups apparently with him and children and his behavior driving. So, it certainly shed some sort of background in the

sense that, not to use a cliche, but it sort of was an accident waiting to happen on many levels.

JACKSON: But there are two issues here. The first of course is the criminal case and we will (ph) proceed against him there, and the second of

course is the civil case because there have been lawsuits files. And when it comes to civil liability, Ashleigh, if the company is on notice that he

had these problems and he had his license suspended, that he had an accident before, that there were complaints about his driving --

BANFIELD: Kids were scared about tipping over before.

JACKSON: Yes, it does not bode well --

BURNS: Great point, Joey, and you said it right because in the civil case, that will make a big difference.

GRILLO: Yes, and also, that the -- all he`s going to get at most is criminal negligent homicide, because he wasn`t under the influence. He

wasn`t anything else to raise it to a higher level.

BANFIELD: So we`re going go to leave it at this one -- we`re going to go to break, but not before I show our viewers the picture just so they can

ruminate about this beautiful young woman caught on surveillance video walking out of a hotel. Let`s show the picture -- walking into a hotel

first of all. Oh, lovely. Isn`t she pretty? OK. Keep your eyes on that one, OK? Because if you see her, stay away! Stay away, and for God`s sake, hold

on to your watch, hold on to everything else, too. Back in a minute.

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BANFIELD: OK. Doug Burns, Christine Grillo, Joey Jackson back with me. Note to self, at 1:20 a.m., if you need somebody in the Faces & Names bar in New

York City, you might want to hold on to your watch.

JACKSON: Well, you don`t want to be waving it around by the way. Look at my beautiful Rolex and by the way, would like to go down to my apartment

for a minute, and guess what? She makes off with the Rolex.

BANFIELD: So, this lovely lady on your surveillance video here -- smile pretty honey because people are looking for you. Apparently she did a

hookup with some fellow who I think would prefer to remain nameless. At Park Central Hotel, he woke up and his $18,000 gold Rolex watch was gone.

Hi.

GRILLO: But, now, wait a minute. I`m going to say this, when you catch her, I`m speaking on a defense perspective now. It is circumstantial

evidence because there is nothing that says that she took it. For all we know, he could have dropped it.

BANFIELD: OK, real quick.

JACKSON: I have one thing to say.

GRILLO: You have one thing to say, just one?

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JACKSON: I think she`s going to do time after that.

(LAUGHTER)

JACKSON: Sorry, I apologize.

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: OK, how about this fellow who is driving along in Ohio santa- like. His car is filled with Christmas presents -- 71 pounds of Christmas presents. Doug, what do you think is in the Christmas presents?

[20:55:02] BURNS: Look, I was in a case where you had cocaine in the baby`s diaper, right -- for the effort. I had been in cases where heroin

was in wooden hangers so, the point is, they do this obviously and what a great scam. They`re presents.

JACKSON: Let it be an obstruction.

BURNS: It`s not that uncommon.

JACKSON: Let it be an obstruction.

BURNS: Please.

JACKSON: What if that predicate for the stop, ladies and gentlemen? That is -- why was he stopped? A legal U-turn or an illegal turn leads to get

out the car --

BURNS: Joey, come on.

JACKSON: -- dog sniffing, pounds of marijuana.

BURNS: Carrying Christmas presents with felonious intent.

JACKSON: It`s an outrage.

GRILLO: Temporary laws of detention for the purpose of investigating the Christmas presents.

JACKSON: I have gotten cases, not many -- don`t get excited -- like this dismissed --

BURNS: This would be good.

JACKSON: Because the stop was improper, illegal, and it`s called the exclusionary rule. And in an event that the police don`t have probable

cause to get you out of that car, anything that they get is illegal.

BURNS: Are you talking about candy canes were thrown out of evidence?

JACKSON: Yes.

BANFIELD: His nose was glowing, that might have been the only reason. Anyway, that little fellow, 31 years old, he`s got some explaining to do --

71 pounds of marijuana in those presents.

GRILLO: That`s a lot.

BANFIELD: Merry Christmas. Thanks for watching, everybody. Good to see you and we`ll see you right back here 8:00. tomorrow night. "Primetime Justice"

and there`s the social media so check in, and we`re checking out.

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