2. Denials to Aides
According to Mr. Lindsey, the remainder of the morning was
spent in a series of meetings about the Lewinsky matter,
including preparing the President for anticipated Lewinsky-related questions in three previously scheduled media
interviews.(1109) At these meetings, President Clinton denied the
allegations to several of his top aides.
The President met with Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles, along
with his two deputies, John Podesta and Sylvia Matthews.
According to Mr. Bowles, the President told them, "I want you to
know I did not have sexual relationships with this woman, Monica
Lewinsky. I did not ask anybody to lie. And when the facts come
out, you'll understand."(1110) The President made a similar denial
that morning to Harold Ickes, his former Deputy Chief of Staff.(1111)
The President also discussed the matter with Ms. Currie for
a second time.(1112) According to Ms. Currie, the President called
her into the Oval Office and gave a "sort of a recapitulation of
what we had talked about on Sunday -- you know, 'I was never
alone with her' -- that sort of thing."(1113) The President spoke
with the same tone and demeanor that he used during his previous
session with her.(1114) Ms. Currie testified that the President may
have mentioned that she might be asked about Ms. Lewinsky.(1115)
Later that day, the President summoned Sidney Blumenthal to
the Oval Office. They spoke for about 30 minutes.(1116) The
President said to Mr. Blumenthal, "I haven't done anything
wrong."(1117) Mr. Blumenthal testified that the President told him,
"Monica Lewinsky came on to me and made a sexual demand on me."
The President said that he "rebuffed her."(1119) The President also
told Mr. Blumenthal that Ms. Lewinsky had "threatened him. She
said that she would tell people they'd had an affair, that she
was known as the stalker among her peers, and that she hated it
and if she had an affair or said she had an affair then she
wouldn't be the stalker any more."(1120) Mr. Blumenthal then asked
the President whether he and Ms. Lewinsky were alone when she
threatened him. The President responded, "Well, I was within
eyesight or earshot of someone."(1121)
According to Mr. Blumenthal, the President complained: "I
feel like a character in a novel. I feel like somebody who is
surrounded by an oppressive force that is creating a lie about me
and I can't get the truth out. I feel like the character in the
novel Darkness at Noon."(1122)
Soon thereafter, in the course of a meeting about the
progress of the President's State of the Union address, the
President made a second denial of the allegations to Mr.
Podesta.(1123) Mr. Podesta testified:
[H]e said to me that he had never had sex
with her, and that -- and that he never asked
-- you know, he repeated the denial, but he
was extremely explicit in saying he never had
sex with her . . . . Well, I think he said -- he said that -- there was some spate of,
you know, what sex acts were counted, and he
said that he had never had sex with her in
any way whatsoever -- that they had not had
oral sex.(1124)
The President was asked during his grand jury appearance
whether he recalled denying a sexual relationship with Ms.
Lewinsky to his senior aides and advisors, including Mr. Bowles,
Mr. Podesta, Mr. Blumenthal, Mr. Ickes, and Mr. Jordan.(1126) The
President did not recall specific details but did remember the
following:
I met with certain people, and [to] a few of
them I said I didn't have sex with Monica
Lewinsky, or I didn't have an affair with her
or something like that. I had a very careful
thing I said, and I tried not to say anything
else . . . . I remember that I issued a
number of denials to people that I thought
needed to hear them, but I tried to be
careful and to be accurate.
* * *
And I believe, sir, that -- you'll have to ask
them what they thought. But I was using those
terms in the normal way people use them.(1127)
The President testified that he had said "things that were
true about this relationship. That I used -- in the language I
used, I said, there's nothing going on between us. That was
true.(1128) I said I did not have sex with her as I defined it.
That was true."(1129) The President qualified this answer, however:
"I said things that were true. They may have been misleading,
and if they were I have to take responsibility for it, and I'm
sorry."(1130)
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