J. January 13-14: Lewinsky-Tripp Conversation and Talking Points
In a face-to-face conversation on January 13, Ms. Lewinsky
told Linda Tripp: "This is what my lawyer taught me. You really
don't -- you don't very often say 'no' unless you really need to.
The best is, 'Well, not that I recall, not that I really
remember. Might have, but I don't really remember.'"(1009) Ms.
Lewinsky said that, if asked in a deposition, "Were you ever
alone with the President?" she could say, "Um, it's possible I
may have taken a letter on the weekend, but, you know -- I might
have, but I don't really. . . ."(1010)
Ms. Lewinsky and Ms. Tripp then discussed the situation:
Ms. Lewinsky: I don't think the way that man thinks, I
don't think he thinks of lying under oath. . . .
Ms. Tripp: Yes, he is because he's the one who said,
"Deny, deny, deny." Of course he knows.
Ms. Lewinsky: Right. But it's -- hard to explain
this. It's like -- (sigh)
Ms. Tripp: You know what I mean. I mean, I don't know
-- do I think he is consciously --
Ms. Lewinsky: If-- if -- if I said, if somebody said
to him, "Is Monica lying under oath," he would say yes. But
when he on his own thinks about it, he doesn't think about
it in those terms. Okay?
Ms. Tripp: Probably.
Ms. Lewinsky: Okay? He thinks of it as, "We're safe.
We're being smart." Okay? "We're being smart, we're being
safe, it's good for everybody."(1011)
On January 14, Ms. Lewinsky gave Ms. Tripp a three-page
document regarding "points to make in [Ms. Tripp's] affidavit."(1012)
Ms. Lewinsky testified that she wrote the document herself,
although some of the ideas may have been inspired by
conversations with Ms. Tripp.(1013)
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