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Inside the Middle East
July 13, 2011
Posted: 941 GMT
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Zak   July 13th, 2011 11:34 am ET

Go Shilo!!

The ultimate goal of the settler movement is to live in peace side by side with the palestinian who have as much legitimacy as the settlers to live on this land.

Peace out!

zoglet   July 13th, 2011 8:24 pm ET

Cheap propoganda.

How about letting people pass directly to Palestin to see for themselves?
How about letting protestors into Israe rather than detaining and deporting theml?
How about reporting that Israel has passed a law banning Israeli's from calling for a boycot of Israeli goods?
How about joining the modern world and calling for a just and fair two state solution and the recognition of Palestine?

miriam   July 14th, 2011 4:16 pm ET

zoglet,

Palestine is not yet a state.
There are many already existing states where entry is regulated and access is via neighbouring states.
Any individual who visits the territories can see the reality for themselves.

Every state has the right to prevent entry to individuals whose intent is to protest and cause disturbances.

Israel's democratic process allows elected representatives to propose laws that are voted on in parliament. The process also allows opponents to appeal to the independent Supreme Court.
The law does not ban the calling by Israelis for the boycott of Israeli goods but rather allows those who suffer financially from any such boycott to sue the boycotters.

In 1947 the Jews accepted the creation of two states. The Arabs rejected the proposal.
Israel has repeatedly recognized the Palestinian desire for a state and has proposed many solutions in direct negotiations, all of which have been rejected by the Palestinians and their Arab League supporters.

There is nothing fair about the Palestinians prefering the removal of the Jewish state above the creation of their own state.
Their two-state solution is for a Palestinian state and another "Israeli" state which they will proceed to shrink and over-run with further claims to the UN etc.
They refuse to recognize Israel as the state for the Jewish people let alone a Jewish state so that they can further that aim.

Modern society does not recognize states that have not been officially declared.

Rena B.   July 15th, 2011 6:30 am ET

How about that? People can go to the West Bank villages and towns if they dare. As long as they don't plan to disturb the peace.

Millions of tourists visit Israel every year. People who declare their wish to disturb the peace are not welcome tourists. Every nation has the right to deny visas.

Any citizen who preaches treasonous actions can face fines. Calling for the economic boycott of your own nation and your own society is treason. It is not a question of free speech, It is an issue of calling for the harm of your own nation.

Why should Israel recognize Palestine as an independent nation, when the Arabs would rather conquer Israel, not live alongside Israel in peace? The goal of the Palestinians is to weaken Israel, not share or live in peace.

snowboarderf   July 15th, 2011 9:05 am ET

Austrians, Christians, Settlers, Zionists all saying they know what is best for the country where people were living for centuries. Just about sums it up

James   July 16th, 2011 11:57 am ET

@zak "The ultimate goal of the settler movement is to live in peace side by side with the palestinian who have as much legitimacy as the settlers to live on this land.".

How come they state that their goal is an "Eretz Israel" with the entire west bank as part of a jewish state?

proud zionist   July 16th, 2011 2:35 pm ET

zoglet: how about stopping firing rockets into Israel? How about stopping to teach the children that the greatest honor is to be a shahid? How about cancelling the Fatah and Hamas charters, both of which call for the destruction of Israel?

Larry Gevirtz   July 17th, 2011 3:22 am ET

There should be no recognition of any state called Palestine until the Palestinians–specifically those beholden to Hamas–agree to denounce and abandon the terrorism that invalidates their ability to live peacefully with others.

Damnitz   July 17th, 2011 8:43 am ET

@zoglet let trouble makers into the country?? No thanks!

People travel to Palestine all the time thru Israel
But not when they intend to start protests.
The right to protest belongs to the locals not outsiders.

No two state solution. One state with equal rights for Israel and west bank. Gaza has been independent for 5 years now and what have they achieved?

miriam   July 17th, 2011 12:48 pm ET

James,

Eretz Israel is not a goal.

Eretz Israel has and will exist no matter who controls the area.

Zak   July 17th, 2011 11:06 pm ET

@James

There is not contradiction here...
The land of Israel will remain whole(Israel proper, Judea and Samaria) as long as Jews can help it.

But there is no need to demean, humiliate or otherwise deprive other inhabitants of any rights.

Jews will never be able to live peacefully in Judea and Samaria as long as palestinians feel oppressed.

But for that to change, both sides need to change their attitude.

As long as Palestinians believe they will one day have their own state in what is claimed by the Jews there will be no peace :(

don't forget that Jews constitute over 20% of the "west bank" and their share is constantly rising due to higher birth rate and positive influx of new comers.

Jordan on the other hand is over 60% Palestinian and should serve as the homeland for palis who don't want to be Israeli citizens

Daniel Potratz   July 18th, 2011 5:57 pm ET

Trying to justify land stealing and occupation by religion is just despicable.

proud zionist   July 18th, 2011 7:29 pm ET

zoglet: suddenly lost your chuzpa?

proud zionist   July 19th, 2011 8:19 am ET

zoglet where is your reply?

how about stopping firing rockets into Israel? How about stopping to teach the children that the greatest honor is to be a shahid? How about cancelling the Fatah and Hamas charters, both of which call for the destruction of Israel?

Ronen Newmark   July 21st, 2011 5:28 pm ET

Hey Kevin Flower, you forgot to mention one REALLY important thing in your Mickey Mouse news report. You forgot to speak about "WHAT" qualifies someone to be a "Palestinian"? Like, can a Jew be a Palestinian? What are the pre-requisites for someone to call themselves a "Palestinian" and thus claim "Palestinian Land" as if "Palestinian Land" was somehow ever a sovereign of something? I find it ironic you mention the bullet proof tour buses yet forget to mention the armor you surround yourself when reporting theses cheesy stories by conveniently never talking about the "legitimacy" of those you claim are being "occupied"....

anya   July 22nd, 2011 5:48 pm ET

Roman Catholic from the UK go on "Holy Land" tours but cannot bring themselves to use the name Israel. Otherwise good men like the late Archbishop Evans and Fr Fears, who do much for the poor and needy still practice anti-semitism and anti-Israeli behavior.

Scott David Lippe MD   July 25th, 2011 3:18 pm ET

The term "Jew" is a shortened slang for "Judean." The historical name for the "west Bank" is Judea and Samaria. To reject the right of Jews to live in the West Bank – to reject Judeans from living in Judea – is bigotry and racism at its best.

Yafa   August 1st, 2011 6:42 am ET

Continued settlement violate international law; prevent the creation of a viable Palestinian state. Obama must call Israeli settlements illegal .

palestinin 4 ever   August 1st, 2011 10:06 am ET

dear Settlers and their visitors:
get the hell out of my beloved Palestine .

miriam   August 2nd, 2011 7:36 pm ET

Yafa,

Under international law Israeli settlements are not illegal except perhaps the out-posts that are illegal under Israeli law.
The repeated mantras that state otherwise are just that and if Obama was to join the band-wagon of rhetoric-spouting parrots he would be similarly dishonest.

palestinin 4 ever,

What kind of state doesn't allow Jews and their guests?
I suppose the example has been set by its Arab neighbors.
Go join the other racist states.

wwsd   August 5th, 2011 5:12 am ET

Theft by Zionists. The settlers have no right to be there. The only reason I allow it is that all jews and muslims are going to hell. Mormans are the true children of god now.

miriam   August 7th, 2011 9:14 pm ET

wwsd,

The Zionist settlers have every right to be there.

Perhaps you should be directing your opinions to the "zion-ist", "settlement" rights of the Mormons.

EB   August 12th, 2011 6:15 pm ET

A joke:
Who does Israel belong to . . . or to be
grammatically correct, to whom does the land of Israel belong?

An Israeli's sense of humour at the UN set the record straight. An
ingenious example of speech and politics occurred recently in the
United Nations Assembly and made the world community smile.

A representative from Israel began: "Before beginning my talk, I want
to tell you something about Moses. When he struck the rock and it
brought forth water, he thought, 'What a good opportunity to have a
bath!'"

Moses removed his clothes, put them aside on a rock and entered the water.

When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished.

A Palestinian had stolen them.

The Palestinian representative at the UN jumped up furiously and
shouted, "What are you talking about? The Palestinians weren't there
then!"

The Israeli representative smiled and said, “'And now that we have
made that clear, I will begin my speech."

larry j   August 27th, 2011 9:46 pm ET

Yes its true the west bank is a Palestinian term, its true name is Judea
and all future refernces should refer to it as Judea, besides if the Jews
were not there, the arabs would be killing each other as they have done for centuries and are doing now, want to see a good arab fight lets go to Beirut.Its high noon every day without Gary Cooper

John A   September 14th, 2011 6:50 pm ET

Even the Nazi's did run tourist trips to the death camps.

Israel is the lowest of the low

John A   September 14th, 2011 6:50 pm ET

Even the Nazi's did not run tourist trips to the death camps.

Israel is the lowest of the low

miriam   September 18th, 2011 2:15 pm ET

John A,

Never heard of Theresienstadt?

There are no death camps in the WB.

There is no crime in touring territory, even disputed territory.

One can only assume that you have a problem with tourists to Mt. Everest, Taiwan, Gibraltar, Northern Cyprus, The Falkland Islands, the Saudi-UAE border and many regions in Northern America and Africa, to mention but a few.

Rodrigo   September 19th, 2011 12:43 am ET

no nation can imposse it's beliefs and power to others...there is no such a "Chosen People" that inpower Israel to ocuppies the palestinian land....Israel has the right to exist in the same way that a Palestinian state. The 1967 borders should represent a compromise for both viable states. Denial that is inmoral...more considering the recent history of the jewish people (nazi holocaust)

Botty   September 29th, 2011 12:01 pm ET

The land's name is not "Israel", it is "Palestine" or "Canaan", anything but Israel because the term "Land of Israel" (to all honest people and historians even to the Jewish bible) is a term which describes the land of the children of Jacob (aka Israel), not a place called "Israel".

Above is just a small sample of how zionists fabricate everything to their favour and then call others names!

peace to all true believers in The One & Only True God.

Arafat   October 1st, 2011 5:07 am ET

Obama already tried denoucing the continued Jewish settlements. But he will never be able to take a strong position on it because the Jews are a strong part of Congress, the democratic party's supporters, and people who give money to campaigns.

Also, to all you idiots saying that Palestine has denied to the jews "peace talks", did you even watch the Jewish PM's speech to Congress. What he said the Palestinians had to do to begin the talks was impossible. No military, no Jeruselem, and other things which the palestinians have a right to.

miriam   October 4th, 2011 7:14 pm ET

Rodrigo,

The 1949 Armistice Lines, incorrectly refered to as 1967 borders, represent the positions Israeli and Arab armies were in at the cessation of hostilities in 1949. The Arabs, except for Lebanon, were clear in stating that these were not borders.

Gaza was consequently occupied by Egypt and the WB by Jordan, an occupation which was not internationally recognized.

In 1967, after Jordan attacked Israel during the Six Day War, Israel legally took control of the WB in a defensive war. This was not "occupation" since the territory was not captured from a recognized sovereign ruler. Never was the territory under Palestinian control.

This is not denial. It is fact.
There is no relevance of the Holocaust to this conflict other than the common anti-semitism of the Nazis and that of the anti-Zionists who are responsible for spreading such myths.

Israel has been prepared to compromise, and has done so in practice, repeatedly since 1948 and the Jewish Agency before that. Unfortunately, even the basic recognition of the Jewish right to statehood is too great a compromise for the Arabs and so the conflict continues, aided by the false rhetoric and repeated mantras parroted by those who have no idea what they are talking about.

Ole   November 8th, 2011 5:04 pm ET

ZIONISME = NAZISME

Gavriel   November 19th, 2011 7:37 pm ET

.....All that trouble in Israel, and yet I still want to make Aliyah...

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