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November 23, 2009
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CNN's Ben Wedeman reports on how China is helping Egypt get behind the cheaper wheel.

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Hope   November 23rd, 2009 3:54 pm ET

CNN..

The Occupied Territories stories are always hot topic and in demand..Iraq stories are always inspiring..The Middle East consists of other regions you know!..Lebanon Syria Jordan Turkey...

Hum-drumming us with second rate information is ok (for a while), but becomes mundane after a while. Thanks.

earle,florida   November 23rd, 2009 7:42 pm ET

Wow!....a pro-active,and progressive movement partnering Egypt,and China.... is a monumental step in the right direction creating a myriad of future jobs for the entire middle-east,...absolutely wonderful news for the indigenous population at the moment. The future certainly looks brighter,for all.

A. Smith, Oregon   November 23rd, 2009 7:43 pm ET

I wish China would make a similar offer to some of the rural city's in America which are entirely lacking in basic support systems for our police, fire and medical services and public schools, library's.

They likely would pay family wages to their employees unlike the present American corporations which routinely pay at best 1/2 the amount many attribute as a basic family wage for their employees.

Hope   November 24th, 2009 3:07 pm ET

CNN–Look to the right side of this page (Recent Posts) and you will see 5 out the 10 videos are about Egypt!!. When did (run-of-the-mill) topics become Nirvana?.. let alone taking up much of this blog's real estate!! Plenty of other meaningful stories from around the region are available..Why doesn't cnn post some of them as well?..Its a fair question.

Sharon   November 24th, 2009 3:55 pm ET

I’d like to see China declare its recognition of a Palestinian state and trade with Palestine. I’d like to see China sell arms to the Palestinians and send an armed escort of ships full of high tech weaponry to Palestine. Then let’s see how quick Israel will be to commit international piracy and board ships in international waters. Then let’s see how quick America will be to defend Israel. The Middle East crisis won’t end until Palestine is also backed by a super power. Otherwise Israel will sit smugly behind the protection of America and continue to break every UN regulation in their hateful Zionist attempt to wipe Palestinians of the face of the earth. So go on China!
China’s built excellent trade relations with Africa and S. America. It time for China to take its position in the Middle East and teach smug Israel a lesson.

miriam   November 25th, 2009 2:46 pm ET

Sharon,

The Israeli navy searched the "MV Francop" in accordance with the usual search protocols as dictated by International Law.
The ship was transfering hidden weapons from Iran to Syria/Hizbullah in violation of UNSC Resolutions 1747 and 1701.

The Palestinians are backed by numerous world powers and multi-stated communities.
They receive weapons from many sources including Israel (which they then use to attack Israel with) without having to pay a penny/cent/euro/shekel/yuan/rial etc etc

There is no Zionist attempt to wipe Palestinians off the face of the earth.
You must be a bit confused.
That is the language used by the those who want to wipe the Jews or/and Israel out.

earle,florida   November 25th, 2009 3:01 pm ET

Re: @ Sharon.....You would be just playing into the hand's of the Rothschild Family whose motto is "Whomever controls the volume of money in any country,...or all nations,is absolute master of it's domain...that being all industry ,and commerce"...thus by way of deception thou shall do war! The Rothschild family just placed one their many subservient steward's as the newly elected EU President (5yr term). Their bankrolling China,and virtually own the United States (Federal Reserve) Central Bank all the while sitting in their own" Bank of England" (BOE) headquaters,...which by the way, sets prices daily on "GOLD's Value" throughout the world! PS It is said their families total worth is $100tn-$175tn.

miriam   November 25th, 2009 3:18 pm ET

Earle,

Are you jealous of a family who emerged successful out of the ghettos of Europe?

Angel   November 25th, 2009 5:43 pm ET

Miriam, why do you quote UNSC Resolutions 1747 and 1701. As you know Israel does not respect the UN and Israel has broken every UN regulation. Just the other week I noticed your comments on the Goldstone report i.e. "the UN is an anti semitic and non democratic organisation" etc.
Miriam, why do you select some part of the UN as worthy and reject the rest. Try to be more honest with yourself. As the biggest lie is the one you tell yourself.

miriam   November 26th, 2009 9:44 am ET

Angel,

Most of the UNSC resolutions concerning Israel are under Chapter VI and therefore non-binding.

There is debate as to whether UNSC Res 1701 is under Chap VI or VII, however UNSC Res. 1747 is under Chap VII and therefore binding.

I have never said that the UN is anti-semitic. Those are not my words.
The UN Human Rights Council is anti-zionist and is comprised largely of non-democratic human rights abusers.

The UN includes all countries, many of which are non-democratic and who vote as a majority block whenever Israel is the subject, thereby assuring a victory.
That system of voting is corrupt and an abuse of democracy and freedom of expression.

Filipe   November 26th, 2009 8:10 pm ET

Sharon,

Great to see we have another active promoter of violence and illegal weapons trafficking.

Is this how you think that issues get resolved?? Those who has the most guns wins???

If that's the case and that's the way to play the game, people like you should just sit back and watch what would happen to the entire ME if Israel and her neighbors all acted as you would like !

But what is this nonsense about " international piracy and board ships in international waters" ??

Would you care to explain-or is this just some nonsensical gibberish, devoid of facts??

But yes- just go ahead and promote the position that the Palestinians- as impoverished as they are-spend what money they have to purchase weapons from China!!!

Are you for real????

But get a grip-- "wipe the Palestinians off the face of the earth" - you must be joking !!!! Were does that come from??? Can you cite any valid Israeli source of any kind who claims that ???

I thought not !!! Just one more example rubbish from someone who hates Jews and hates the fact that Israel exists!!

Get over it !!!

But really, if you had any clue at all you would have at least taken the time to investigate the current trade relations between Israel and the PRC. You would also have taken the time to understand that it is Israel that sells weapons to China !!! OMG !!!!

You should really think before you speak!

But WOW !!!! International Piracy !!!!!! Ah ha ha ha ha ha !!!

Why can't you just limit your ranting to the facts-just the facts!!!

I can't seem to find any where on the web–any reference to Israel and International Piracy !!

Ah ha ha ha ha ha !!

Angel   November 26th, 2009 8:15 pm ET

Miriam, what you say is a convenient half truth. The reality is all UN regulations which Israels breaks would become binding by law if America had not vetoed the regulations via the UN security council. America prevents the law from being applied to Israel. This simply means Israel is immoral and America supports Israels lack of morality.
The real question is why America and Israel are hiding from the law? They are quick enough to trust the UN Security council over Bosnia or Sudan. Only when it comes to Israel does America block the progress of law. This is the only reason UN regulations (proposed to keep Israeli politics moral and honest) do not become legally binding.

miriam   November 29th, 2009 8:16 am ET

Angel,

UN resolutions are not law.
Whether the US, UK, China, France or Russia veto UNSC resolutions, which they all do in various votes for a variety of issues, it does not alter the type of resolution , ie Chapter VI or Chapter VII.

Israel does not need the UN to keep its politics "moral and honest".
Israel is a democracy with its own ombudsmen.
The main weight in the UN consists of countries who do not understand the terms moral, honesty or ombudsman.

Filipe   November 29th, 2009 11:10 am ET

Angel,

Take some time out of your schedule to educate yourself on the UN Charter and the meaning
, authority and substance of their powers and resolutions.

Your repeated rantings about "international law" and the ability of the US to impede and interfere with international law or the creation there of is quite comical.

Did you and John A go to the same school or are you just blogging from the same computer ??

Angel   November 29th, 2009 11:22 am ET

Miriam as I said you quote UNSC Resolutions 1747 and 1701 when it suites Israels agenda. Otehrwise when it does not suite Israels agenda you claim the "UN consists of countries who do not understand the terms moral, honesty or ombudsman".

My point is either you should live by the UN or reject it. Picking and choosing UN resolutions when it suits you is mere hypocrisy and a display of Israeli immorality. I'm sorry for you if you can not understand this.

miriam   November 29th, 2009 2:12 pm ET

Angel,

Every state picks and chooses what it wants from the UN whether it is the US and its wars abroad, similarly the UK and other NATO countries, Canada and its religious school funding, Arab countries and partition plans, most countries of the UNHRC and their human rights responsibilities, Iran and its nuclear sites, Iran and its terrorist proxies, North Korea and its nuclear and weapon development, many states and their religious defamation, Pakistan and India and their territorial claims etc etc.

There's little impact on any of these states because UN resolutions are not international law.
The obsession with Israel is indicative of the political motivation behind the resolution backers as is the obsession with Israeli violations.
If a disproportionate number of anti-Israel resolutions are proposed then there are going to be a disproportionate number of violations by Israel.

When a state is under attack by surrounding states and their proxies, then it has a legal right to self-defence. That includes raiding ships that are secretly transporting weapons which efficient intelligence has revealed.

Darren   November 30th, 2009 2:11 pm ET

Miriam, Israel under attack? Possibly nobody told you the news? Its Israel who occupies the land of others with its military.

miriam   November 30th, 2009 3:25 pm ET

Darren,

You are too gullible.

Filipe   December 2nd, 2009 7:36 pm ET

Darren,

You must have missed history class–wherever it was that you went school.

Might be a good idea take refresher course or two if you're going to make a habit of posting blogs and and using historical data to validate your points.

But let's start with this-- The armed forces of Israel are in places and locations which have been agreed to by the Israel and her neighbors as a result of ceasefire agreements at the end of the 1967 Six Day War and other various conflicts. The positions and authority Israel has taken are done so in accordance with these and subsequent various negotiated agreements such as the Oslo Accords.

Should Israels neighbors feel the need and have the desire to negotiate a final and permanent peace agreement, the situation might be different.

Darren   December 3rd, 2009 10:07 am ET

It seems pro Israeli supporters can only defend Israel with lies. What does that tell you.

Filipe a small refresher in history that you conveniently forgot. After the 1967 war Israel annexed the areas its military occupied and moved Israeli settlers in to change the demographics. This is illegal under international law, but not illegal under Israels Zionist laws.

Lets make a parallel between Israel and the USA.
The USA invade Iraq. The USA annexes Baghdad. The Iraqis are moved out of their homes and then Americans civilians fly into Iraq to take over the land.

Only Israel with its use of holocaust sympathy could be allowed to get away with such a crime.

miriam   December 3rd, 2009 12:19 pm ET

Darren,

It is now obvious what rubbish you are capable of believing.

Jordan's control of the West Bank was not internationally recognized and was therefore not the sovereign ruler of the territory between 1948 and 1967.
In 1967, Jordan attacked Israel and lost..

The control of the West Bank by Israel was lawful since it was gained in a defensive war.
There is no "occupation" since Jordan was not the recognized sovereign when the land was won by Israel and Jordan has relinquished any claim to take it back.

No Israeli was forced to move to the West Bank, apart from which Jews had always lived there, apart from the years 1948-1967 when Jordan ethnically cleansed the region of Jews.
Palestinians were not moved out.

The British Mandate with its objective of fulfilling the League of Nations mandate of creating a Jewish homeland came into being long before WW2 and the Holocaust..

The Jewish homeland in the Holy Land preceded Islam and Arab presence in the region.

Filipe   December 4th, 2009 1:24 am ET

Darren,

You can argue about the "annexation" all you want. Please provide any ruling you may be able to find from any international court of law that that has pronounced what Israel has done in East Jerusalem as "in violation of international law" !

Go for it there big boy !!!!

The most you'll be able to find is multitudes of gibberish form pundits who claim "Illegal"-- and even more gibberish form pundits who will whine ad cry and scream about "not being recognized by the international community" !!!

Great- who cares if it's not recognized by the international community?? That hardly makes it "illegal" !!

Just because someone doesn't agree or doesn't like-– fails to make it "illegal" !!!

You need to find your tin foil hat before the government fries your brain cells !!

Dodie   December 7th, 2009 6:37 am ET

@ Sharon

Your statements seem to warrant a lot of attention.

China will never get involved in the Middle East! They are too busy building their country and making it the most powerful country in the world. It is very silly to think that China would back Palestinian. The only country they would even be interested in are those with the most oil! Possibly Saudi. China has a lot of oil reserves under the Gobi desert, but they want to tap everyone’s oil resources and save theirs. They will let the rest of the world kill each other off and when all counties are a shambles, they will prevail!

John A   December 7th, 2009 2:25 pm ET

Miriam writes, "Palestinians were not moved out".

Miriam how many lies can you fit into one blog? Hundreds of Palestinian villages were destroyed by Zionists before and after the 1967 war. In fact the Muslim world attacked Israel only after watching thousands of Palestinians being made refugees in their own place of birth. Miriam your lies are despicable.

Even today Palestinians have their homes demolished with Israeli bulldozers because new European Jewish immigrants want to settle in illegal settlements. Israel has broken international law and continues to do so. To bring up British mandates and no country called Palestine bla bla is total BS. Before 1947 only 3% of the regional population was Jewish, the rest were Palestinians. So you can call the land whatever you want i.e. Israel, Palestine, British territory etc, but the facts remain it was inhabited by Palestinians and not Jews. Therefore the Palestinians were forced out to make way for Jews. The force did not follow international law and is therefor illegal.

John A   December 7th, 2009 2:38 pm ET

Dodie I agree with you. And this is another example of Palestinians being pawns crushed between super powers. None of the world powers see much to gain by supporting the human rights of Palestinians. Hence America's Jewish community has successfully campaigned for support for Israel and the American super power has allowed Palestine to be wiped of the face of the earth, as this benefited the Jews. Funny thing is if Jews were being wiped of the face of the earth, America would cry foul play and intervene.

Its an example of self interest groups looking after each other without a care for morality. Sadly humanity has not evolved or learned from its bloody history. In 1940s Jews were persecuted. In 2009 Muslims are persecuted. In 2100AD it will be another group which is persecuted. We know this for certain as people like Miriam don't care about todays persecutions, such people continue to care only for their own interest. If the world powers dont take a moral stance and defend the persecuted Palestinians, then we have no reason to believe that the vicious cycle of self interest will ever end.

Filipe   December 7th, 2009 6:59 pm ET

John A,

You constant whining about the poor Palestinians is quite old, but typical of those who just can't seem to accept the fact that not even the Arabs of the region support the Palestinians.

Your repetitive accusations of abuse by the Israelis gets little to no airplay in the entire world and nearly none in the ME.

Why- because most people fail to hold the same view of the situation as you.

You repeatedly call for the "world powers" to step in and "correct" the situation--but you readily ignore or fail to acknowledge the fact that the Arabs of the region are really the ones who should be addressing any regional issues of injustice--what's up with that ???

Why can't the Arabs of the ME take care take the lead in resolving their own issues ???

Why is it that you feel that the US or the EU should inject themselves into the situation??

No one from outside the region will resolve their internal issues!!!

But I guess it makes for mindless chatter to the masses if you keep regurgitating it!

miriam   December 8th, 2009 8:42 am ET

John A,

After 1967, Palestinians were not moved out of Israel or the West Bank or Gaza. No villages were destroyed.

Preceding 1967, no Arab country said anything about creation of a Palestinian state. Their only interest was the destruction of the Jewish state.

The majority of Palestinians who became refugees in 1948 did so as a result of Arab leadership.
Accepting the Partition Plan would have resulted in no Palestinian refugees, only the Jewish refugees, who numbered far more than the Palestinians.

Jews and Palestinans who build illegally both have their homes bulldozed. Jews who built with all the permits required have also had their homes bulldozed.

There is no international law saying that settlements are illegal. That's just political, anti-Zionist rhetoric.

Unlike UN resolutions, even binding resolutions, the League of Nations agreements were law, among those, the establishment of the British Mandate and the objective of re-establishing the Jewish homeland. After WW2, when it was realized that countries could not be trusted to obey such law, the UN was established without such authority.

Of course Jews were a minority in the "region" that included all areas of the British and French Mandates, the first to perform any general census. Over generations, Jews were expelled and massacres occurred in all these areas which include modern day Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Israel.

Palestinians, Jewish and Arab, lived in all areas of the British Mandate. After 1948, Arabs remained in all areas, it was only the Jews who were ethnically cleansed, from the territories that fell into Arab hands.

Palestinian population growth rate exceeds the Jewish population growth rate and any claims that Israel is "wiping out" the Palestinians is a lie. "Palestine" has not been wiped out. It was never a country, just the title of a province, district or mandate ruled by outside powers and dissolved in 1948.

Today there are may minorities and others who are discriminated against. Some try hard to overcome related hardships, some escape and some prefer to wallow in their misery and perpetuate their situation.
Jews are still discriminated against in and by many in the world, including modern, western societies aswell as the less developed.

John A   December 8th, 2009 12:58 pm ET

Miriam do some self analysis.

You write: some prefer to wallow in their misery and perpetuate their situation.

Followed by: Jews are still discriminated against in and by many in the world, including modern, western societies as well as the less developed.

Can you not see how your own doctrine wallows and avoids any appreciation for the perspective of Palestinians who even you admit were the majority population before 1947.

Filipe, incase you have not noticed absolutely nobody engages with your dribble anymore. Possibly you are about to loose your job with the pro Israeli blog team. Good luck with your next employment and try to find something you are good at.

Filipe   December 10th, 2009 8:04 pm ET

John,

I really have no concerns if anyone responds to my comments or not!

Your inability to invalidate my posts and answer any of my questions speaks for itself as to the validity of my position and your complete loss as to how to address my points and views.

If all you can do is ignore my questions and claim them to be dribble, just shows how lacking in substance your position and comments are!

If you'd like to answer my questions-great-ha ave at it !!!

Otherwise just continue to whine and cry about how miserable you are!

Maybe you can find someone who will listen.

Mohamed aiman   October 9th, 2011 5:22 pm ET

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I've worked with Arabs in the middle east in places like the UAE, Jordan and Egypt (technically not an Arab state).... I have found them to be warm and welcoming toward me, many of which have invited me to their homes to share a meal with them and their families which is the best honour they can bestow on you. i never felt afraid and they havent treated me badly at all.

There are good people and evil people in all cultures, all societies and all religions.... I get tired of the Muslim bashing that goes on this site.... yet we still feign surprise when something terrible happens on our home soil. With all the bashing, its not wonder that young Muslims are finding something else to belong to, if we won't let them belong to our society.

People that kill innocent lives are in my opinion not religious... whether they claim to be Muslim, Christian, Catholic or anything else!

I'm not a muslim, but usually when I post sticking up for them, I'm met with torrents of abuse over email or IM.... hence why I've now removed the option to contact me. Sad, sad, pathetic people.

besides how could u think that 20% of people on earth are terriost
there are exactly 1,571,198,000 muslim on earth out of 6billion human on earth and another fact muslims are not only ME no there is in china, europe, africa , afghanistan and lastly iran . the ones who has a high percentage of terriost actions are only iran & afghanistan which are considered as 5% of muslims another thing i would like to inform u about is that there is over 30 million christians living safely between muslims muslims without felling indanger and most of them are in egypt and i dont remmber that there was even one protest which christians made against muslims beleive me neither arabs nor muslims are terriost

undro   October 9th, 2011 5:25 pm ET

BlackBerry Addict

I've worked with Arabs in the middle east in places like the UAE, Jordan and Egypt (technically not an Arab state).... I have found them to be warm and welcoming toward me, many of which have invited me to their homes to share a meal with them and their families which is the best honour they can bestow on you. i never felt afraid and they havent treated me badly at all.

There are good people and evil people in all cultures, all societies and all religions.... I get tired of the Muslim bashing that goes on this site.... yet we still feign surprise when something terrible happens on our home soil. With all the bashing, its not wonder that young Muslims are finding something else to belong to, if we won't let them belong to our society.

People that kill innocent lives are in my opinion not religious... whether they claim to be Muslim, Christian, Catholic or anything else!

I'm not a muslim, but usually when I post sticking up for them, I'm met with torrents of abuse over email or IM.... hence why I've now removed the option to contact me. Sad, sad, pathetic people.

besides how could u think that 20% of people on earth are terriost
there are exactly 1,571,198,000 muslim on earth out of 6billion human on earth and another fact muslims are not only ME no there is in china, europe, africa , afghanistan and lastly iran . the ones who has a high percentage of terriost actions are only iran & afghanistan which are considered as 5% of muslims another thing i would like to inform u about is that there is over 30 million christians living safely between muslims muslims without felling indanger and most of them are in egypt and i dont remmber that there was even one protest which christians made against muslims beleive me neither arabs nor muslims are terriost besides i am an christian and my best friends are arabian muslims


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