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Inside the Middle East
April 30, 2009
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GALI TIBBON/AFP/Getty Images. Jewish youths from communities across the world wave the Israeli national flag at the Western Wall in Jerusalem's Old City, marking Israel's 61st Independence Day on April 29, 2009. Israel today threw a huge birthday bash to celebrate 61 tumultuous years during which the Jewish state made great strides forward but failed to achieve peace with its neighbours.
GALI TIBBON/AFP/Getty Images. Jewish youths from communities across the world wave the Israeli national flag at the Western Wall in Jerusalem's Old City, marking Israel's 61st Independence Day on April 29, 2009. Israel today threw a huge birthday bash to celebrate 61 tumultuous years during which the Jewish state made great strides forward but failed to achieve peace with its neighbours.
GALI TIBBON/AFP/Getty Images. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (C) stands near his wife Sara (L) and President Shimon Peres (R) as they look up at Israeli Air Force fighter jets during a ceremony for outstanding soldiers, part of Independence Day celebrations, on April 29, 2009 in Jerusalem. Israelis marked Independence Day, celebrating the 61st year since the founding of the Jewish State in 1948.
GALI TIBBON/AFP/Getty Images. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (C) stands near his wife Sara (L) and President Shimon Peres (R) as they look up at Israeli Air Force fighter jets during a ceremony for outstanding soldiers, part of Independence Day celebrations, on April 29, 2009 in Jerusalem. Israelis marked Independence Day, celebrating the 61st year since the founding of the Jewish State in 1948.
AHMAD GHARABLI/AFP/Getty Images. An Arab-Israeli woman waves a Palestinian flag during a demonstrationg on April 29, 2009 to demand the right of return to the lands from which Palestinians were chased in 1948 on the site of al-Kafrayn, an Arab village among the more than 500 that were razed by Israeli forces at the time of the creation of the Jewish state. As Israel celebrated its 61st anniversary, the demonstrators marched through a small pine forest and the ruins of the village that was torn to the ground on April 19, 1948. Israel has 1.2 million Arab citizens, the descendants of the 160,000 who remained after the creation of the Jewish state while tens of thousands of others fled into exile.
AHMAD GHARABLI/AFP/Getty Images. An Arab-Israeli woman waves a Palestinian flag during a demonstrationg on April 29, 2009 to demand the right of return to the lands from which Palestinians were chased in 1948 on the site of al-Kafrayn, an Arab village among the more than 500 that were razed by Israeli forces at the time of the creation of the Jewish state. As Israel celebrated its 61st anniversary, the demonstrators marched through a small pine forest and the ruins of the village that was torn to the ground on April 19, 1948. Israel has 1.2 million Arab citizens, the descendants of the 160,000 who remained after the creation of the Jewish state while tens of thousands of others fled into exile.
AHMAD GHARABLI/AFP/Getty Images. Arab-Israeli youths, one of them waving a national Palestinian flag, ride horses during a demonstration on April 29, 2009 to demand the right of return to the lands from which they were chased in 1948 on the site of al-Kafrayn, an Arab village among the more than 500 that were razed by Israeli forces at the time of the creation of the Jewish state in 1948.
AHMAD GHARABLI/AFP/Getty Images. Arab-Israeli youths, one of them waving a national Palestinian flag, ride horses during a demonstration on April 29, 2009 to demand the right of return to the lands from which they were chased in 1948 on the site of al-Kafrayn, an Arab village among the more than 500 that were razed by Israeli forces at the time of the creation of the Jewish state in 1948.

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miriam   April 30th, 2009 10:47 am ET

The site of al-Kafrayn belonged to a village called Kfar-Ana before Islam existed and before Arabs migrated to the region.

In 1947, the village was situated in the area designated for the Jewish state in the Partition Plan. Many Arab villages remain in the area since their inhabitants were willing to accept the future state, whereas others were destroyed after their inhabitants fled, having expected to return after a presumed Arab victory, or destroyed after battles fought following Arab attacks on neighbouring Jewish villages.

During 1948 and 1949, Jewish villages were destroyed by Arabs aswell as Arab villages by Israel.

Throughout history, many Jewish villages were destroyed and built over by invading armies and peoples.

john wayne   April 30th, 2009 12:28 pm ET

years during which the Jewish state made great strides forward but failed to achieve peace with

and why is this? ever heard of the hamas charter?or the law which mandates the death penalty to any arab in the west bank selling land to a Jew? Or 11000 rockets after Israel withdrew from Gaza?

Your choice of pictures is politically motivated

SHAME ON CNN

GLeigh   April 30th, 2009 2:25 pm ET

I've read the history and was a little surprised at the first pic. Chased from the land? It was lost in WWI, long before Jewish people got back? WWII, the Brithish Mandate and the UN, many nations, moved the survivors of the Holocaust back to Israel. That's the way that I read it anyway. No country was in the area, and I've looked and looked.

Well, people can determine their own lives and economic situation. We all work, in one way or another, in this house and support ourselves. I love to look beyond all this violent stuff because mankind is capable of better. We have CERN, still waiting for June or fall when it restarts, and robots on Mars, on and on. If people choose to blow-up themselves, that is sad. I just don't think that they should hurt others. Judging other people is not an occupation – it's nasty.

World traveler   April 30th, 2009 2:31 pm ET

I agree, SHAME on CNN, they alwase seem to not tell the full story.

Hope   April 30th, 2009 3:32 pm ET

Hilarious..What is Israel celebrating? their massacres in Gaza? elevating racism to a new meaningful level..or is it about, hey guys, stealing Arab Land is OK!! just look at us, "we" got away with it!... Sick culture at best. Great photos.

Meromi   April 30th, 2009 6:55 pm ET

Israel, and the Jewish people, have much to celebrate.
Until the muslim ocupation of the land about 1300 years ago, the peoples council, the Sanhadrin, was located in Israel, long after many of the Jewish people were exiled from it, under threats of death and slavery by muskims and christians alike.
The land was scarcly inhabitted for centuries (as described by Twaine during his trip in the country, but the Jewish people were aways there.
In some cases entire villages were masacared by muslims, who then moved into their victims homes and lands.
during the 19th century, many wanderers, outlaws, and others, came from neighbouring countries to workon the newly built railway to Istanbul. In 1948, they were told by arab leaders to leaves their homes, so they can kill all Jewish men and take the women and children as slaves. They failed.
During the 1970's they decided to call themselves a people, taking the name of a country that never existed.
All that times, the Jewish people just looked for ways to live normal life in their homeland, even fighting fot their lives while holding up to the highest values shown by any fighting fore in the world, while being the most infamed one.
Israel is a bit younger than its neighbours, but look at it and look at them.
I take my hat off to it.

Filipe   April 30th, 2009 7:55 pm ET

I find it a quite strange that a lot of people either don't understand or are just not aware or refuse to admit that the Jewish people lived in the land of Judea for more than 2 millenia before the people known as Arabs, bedouins, came from Arabia to occupy the land. And now, the ancestors of those same Arabs attempt to claim that someone stole their land.

World traveler   April 30th, 2009 8:36 pm ET

Meromi, thank you, very well put.

Barry   April 30th, 2009 8:41 pm ET

I, too, congratulate Israel on its anniversary for continuing to fight the good and moral fight. Israel stands for prosperity and progress and is well respected among civilized nations. It lives a righteous life while surrounded by enemies who want to kill its people and steal its land. Go, Israel!

World traveler   April 30th, 2009 8:57 pm ET

The Land of Israel, known in Hebrew as Eretz Yisrael, has been sacred to the Jewish people since Biblical times. According to the Torah, the Land of Israel was promised to the three Patriarchs of the Jewish people, by God, as their homeland; scholars have placed this period in the early 2nd millennium BCE. According to the traditional view, around the 11th century BCE, the first of a series of Israelite kingdoms and states established rule over the region; these Israelite kingdoms and states ruled intermittently for the following one thousand years. The sites holiest to Judaism are located within Israel.

Between the time of the Israelite kingdoms and the 7th-century Muslim conquests, the Land of Israel fell under Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Sassanian, and Byzantine rule. Jewish presence in the region dwindled after the failure of the Bar Kokhba revolt against the Roman Empire in 132 CE and the resultant large-scale expulsion of Jews. In 628/9, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius conducted a massacre and expulsion of the Jews, at which point the Jewish population probably reached its lowest point. Nevertheless, a continuous Jewish presence in the Land of Israel remained. Although the main Jewish population shifted from the Judea region to the Galilee, the Mishnah and part of the Talmud, among Judaism's most important religious texts, were composed in Israel during this period. The Land of Israel was captured from the Byzantine Empire around 636 CE during the initial Muslim conquests. Control of the region transferred between the Umayyads, Abbasids, and Crusaders over the next six centuries, before falling in the hands of the Mamluk Sultanate, in 1260. In 1516, the Land of Israel became a part of the Ottoman Empire, which ruled the region until the 20th century.

Nadeem   May 1st, 2009 1:06 pm ET

Can someone explain to me what "Independence" is the the state of Israel celebrating.
Is it independence of any moral grounds? Independence of hundreds of UN resolutions? Independence of its soldiers to kill with no punishment? Independence to break ceasefires and claim to be the victim even after controlling Gaza borders for years, preventing food and supplies to its people and then mass killing them?!

len   May 1st, 2009 2:36 pm ET

thats nothing to celebrate,,61 years of conflict.it makes little difference to me how many years,what irks me ,,is that leaders from all over the world have tried and failed to help israelis and arabs reach peace.presidents,nobel peace prize laureats,scholars and religious types of all stripes,all to no avail.that speaks volumes,the arabs and israelis do not seek peace,no matter what either side claims,neither seeks peace it is a cat and mouse played against the rest of the world.it is one of the biggest fraud schemes ever devised,the israelis recieve billions in aid and arms and technology,the palistinians recieve aid from all corners of the globe,as well as clandestine arm shipments,and the rest of us are footing the bill.thats my tax dollars and yours,which should be used for our own health care and social programs and infrastructure

len   May 1st, 2009 2:41 pm ET

to the israeli's and arabs,,,,,,the jig is up!!

len   May 1st, 2009 2:47 pm ET

same people with the same blood running through thier veins,,,two different religions,all from the same region,,,taking the rest of the world for wild financial rip-off.

Filipe   May 1st, 2009 3:09 pm ET

len,

You should convince your government and all other outside influences to mind their own business. Don't blame the Israelis and the Arabs because you and others have chosen to become involved-- no one has been forced to become involved in this conflict.

len   May 1st, 2009 3:25 pm ET

@ filipe; all outside governments were invited by both sides in the conflict,under the care of the UN,you are probably too young to know.and we were forced to become involved so the conflict would no spread to other peaceful areas.just remember if we didnt become in volved in the 60's there would not be palestine or israel.

Filipe   May 1st, 2009 9:00 pm ET

len,

Wrong about your assumption and also about your so called "forced involvement". You were neither forced then or now! Your involvement in the conflict is strictly voluntary and you-- your government can choose to become uninvolved if they so desire! The problem is-- they continue to meddle in the business of sovereign nations even if they are not requested for any assistance.

By the way-–what happened in the 60's that would have affected the existence of Israel or the Palestinian Territories??? That's a new one on me? How did you "save" them???

Barry   May 2nd, 2009 12:28 am ET

Nadeem -

Where are all these starving Gazans? Tell me. I haven't see a single one. They don't work for a living, they live off the donations of others hard work, and they even have an entire UN relief agency dedicated just for them! All they do is create terror, violence and destruction.

Israel took about 11000 rockets and mortars aimed at its civilians before responding militarily. It closed the borders to Gaza as a non-violent way to persuade the Islamic terrorists of Gaza to stop attacking Israeli civilians. Obviously, they can't take a hint. The Islamic terrorists of Gaza broke the ceasefire within 48 hours of making it. The Muslim track record for honoring ceasefires is a joke. The joke is we cease, they fire. Its all part of the dishonorable strategy outlined in the Koran. Most of the people killed in the military operation were terrorists. Most of the rest were kllled as the cowardly Islamic terrorists of Hamas fired from schools, mosques, hospital grounds and crowded civilian areas – all war crimes by the way. The Palestinians did this to themselves – again. They elected an Islamic terrorist government whose charter is the destruction of the sovereign country of Israel – no peace, no negotiations, just murder and mayhem. The Palestinians got exactly what they wanted, a brutal, evil, cowardly Islamic terrorist government who stayed underground and hid in hospitals durring the conflict, while trying to maximize the number of dead Palestinians for the cameras.

sally   May 2nd, 2009 3:58 pm ET

Where are all these starving Gazans? Tell me. I haven’t see a single one. They don’t work for a living, they live off the donations of others hard work, and they even have an entire UN relief agency dedicated just for them! All they do is create terror, violence and destruction
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One could say the exact same thing about the isreali's. Bleeding the US Gov, bleeding the palestinians, creating terror in the middle east through violence and destruction....wow see resemblance?

university rector   May 2nd, 2009 8:24 pm ET

Sally

without Israel, tens of thousands of Americans would be unemployed

but you chose to ignore this fact

If the palestinians wanted peace there would be peace

but you ignore this fact

if the Hamas charter and its leaders would not call for the elimination of all Jews, there might be negotiations with Hamas,

but you ignore this fact

if Hamas would not create violence and destruction in the middle east together with Hizbullah and their masters, Teheran, the world would be a much nicer place,

but you ignore this fact

actually you ignore all facts

tell your master Abdul Hamid aka professor that you failed again

university rector   May 2nd, 2009 8:37 pm ET

And Sally:

"I don't think that there has ever been a time in the history of warfare when any army has made more efforts to reduce civilian casualties and deaths of innocent people than the IDF is doing today in Gaza.”

British Col. Richard Kemp, senior advisor on army issues to the British government, speaking on BBC.

jorge covarrubias ramirez   May 3rd, 2009 4:53 am ET

I´m writing from south america, and from here it´s very difficult to us understanding which is the real situation in Israel.I think the peace, one day comes true to that blessed land. No more fights, divisions, wars,tortures, homeless in these territories.That enough! Live as normal people, as a good neighbornhood ! Your blood is precious, don´t spill over your sacred land!

miriam   May 3rd, 2009 10:15 am ET

Sally and len,

contrary to the misleading information you have been fed, virtually all US aid to Israel is paid back, mostly as aid to the US, including defence and research projects that generate thousands of jobs for the American population.

Most countries who are recipients of US aid do not repay anything, including many middle eastern countries whose rulers sponser anti-American (and anti-Israeli) propoganda and terrorism.

Unfortunately you find yourselves somewhere along the chain as receivers of this propoganda, believing the lies that are deliberately generated to spread hatred.

john wayne   May 3rd, 2009 12:49 pm ET

Miriam

they have been told tens of times by different people on different blogs

but they do not allow anyone to confuse them with facts

mohammed gharbawi   May 3rd, 2009 1:09 pm ET

sorry
Is Israel a state?

mohammed gharbawi   May 3rd, 2009 1:11 pm ET

university rector
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mohammed gharbawi   May 3rd, 2009 1:11 pm ET

miriam
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GLeigh   May 4th, 2009 2:15 pm ET

Hey Mo – I do think that you should think Miriam's posts. She is well read on this subject. Big news – females are not naturally aggressive against each other. I always read her writings. Guys are smart too, don't get me wrong, but you really need to back up, go back, and read. I do it all the time. Hope that you are well and good to see you again. Best wishes.

GLeigh   May 4th, 2009 3:31 pm ET

On that note, I do hope Israel is being patient and kind. I know that most countries would not tolerate eight years of having missiles fired at their country, but good job Israel. It's just part of the tensions and history. It probably won't move forwards kindly, but oh well. No one expects it. This is a hard part of the world. Most are, just not as famous. Read our news. We're very open. Basically, we all just have our own beliefs and views and try to live together. We are not great at it, is my opinion. I don't believe in "anything goes." There are basic God things, moral principles, of course. But, we should be able to co-exist as moral people, in general. I use the world moral to just mean basic good people. Fam people.

university rector   May 4th, 2009 5:17 pm ET

mohammed garbagy

"miriam
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what an intelligent comment!!!!!!!

Professor   May 4th, 2009 6:31 pm ET

Nadeem,

Israelis wants to confuse the rest of the world who don't know the truth... so they called the day the stole the land from its native inhabitants the Palestinians an Independence day... When those Israelis were not occupied by anyone.... they were european immigrants to a land populated by Palestinians who were occupied by the British.

Professor   May 4th, 2009 6:36 pm ET

Miriam,

contrary to your comments on this blog which are full of lies.... the US aid to Israel is never paid back.... even the loan portion of it was forgiven and Israel did not have to pay it back. Thats the fact. Go check the US records.

Filipe   May 4th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

All of the US aid to Israel-– 100% --is spent by the Israelis making purchases from US companies. Check with your Dept. of Foreign Affairs. Their estimate is that the aid money spent by the Israelis in the the US results in an excess of 20,000 high paying jobs for US citizens. So, no-– it's not "paid back" as that is not the requirement. The requirement put upon the Israelis is that they must spend the money in the US. For a real shocker-- check to see how much Israel actually spends in total in the US annually! Translate that into jobs for US citizens.

Barry   May 5th, 2009 3:47 am ET

Albanian Professor -

Miriam's facts are right on the money. You, however, are a well known prevaricator. You have zero credibility. If you can prove anything that Miriam said is a lie, please do so and cite your sources.

Can't do it, can you?

BUSTED AGAIN!

john wayne   May 5th, 2009 6:13 am ET

"contrary to your comments on this blog which are full of lies…. the US aid to Israel is never paid back…. even the loan portion of it was forgiven and Israel did not have to pay it back. Thats the fact. Go check the US records."

These are the usual lies of Abdul Hamid (aka professor).

1. The loan portion of the civilian aid has been paid back every year on the dates reqired.
2. The military aid is spent in the USA, as required, and gives employment to tens of thousands of American workers.

On the other hand, US loans to Syria, Egypt etc. were forgiven in the past, turning them into outright grants.

Abdul Hamid, you will have to do better!!

Professor   May 5th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

Israeli John Wayne aka Carlos,

prove that there was ever a loan to Syria that was forgiven....

You can't can you?..

Busted again and again... as usual can't prove a lie.

Professor   May 5th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Here is an article:

http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

26 Jan 2001 ... Indeed, all past U.S. loans to Israel have eventually been forgiven by Congress, which has undoubtedly helped Israel's often-touted claim ...

Israeli John Wayne, Israeli Filipe, Israeli Barry.... you are all busted for your lies again.

GLeigh   May 6th, 2009 12:02 am ET

The truth is pretty basic. It should be easier to get there. This isn't really about money though, or shouldn't be, but about who is trying to move forward and live with everyone else and who is killing others and scary, at least to me. When I hear about bombs, my eye, the left one, starts to twitch. I think they are terrible. So are missiles, even home made ones – for the record. That's a cop-out. I don't care what kind of missiles personally. Like my brother told my brother-in-law, get a life; support your family; go to work.

HMH   May 6th, 2009 3:22 am ET

John Wayne

Here are some facts you need to know.. After 5 minutes of research, I found the following:
from http://www.washington-report.org/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630
Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240

((By Stephen Zunes

Dr. Zunes is an assistant professor in the Department of Politics at the University of San Francisco

"Since 1992, the U.S. has offered Israel an additional $2 billion annually in loan guarantees. Congressional researchers have disclosed that between 1974 and 1989, $16.4 billion in U.S. military loans were converted to grants and that this was the understanding from the beginning. Indeed, all past U.S. loans to Israel have eventually been forgiven by Congress, which has undoubtedly helped Israel's often-touted claim that they have never defaulted on a U.S. government loan. U.S. policy since 1984 has been that economic assistance to Israel must equal or exceed Israel's annual debt repayment to the United States. Unlike other countries, which receive aid in quarterly installments, aid to Israel since 1982 has been given in a lump sum at the beginning of the fiscal year, leaving the U.S. government to borrow from future revenues. Israel even lends some of this money back through U.S. treasury bills and collects the additional interest.

In addition, there is the more than $1.5 billion in private U.S. funds that go to Israel annually in the form of $1 billion in private tax-deductible donations and $500 million in Israeli bonds. The ability of Americans to make what amounts to tax-deductible contributions to a foreign government, made possible through a number of Jewish charities, does not exist with any other country. Nor do these figures include short- and long-term commercial loans from U.S. banks, which have been as high as $1 billion annually in recent years."))

Here is a link for the Jewish Virtual Library (( http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html ))

It shows that Israel gets 3 times in grant than loans in military aids and 30 times in economic aids.

Robert   May 6th, 2009 8:45 am ET

Long live Israel!

He who blesses Israel shall be blessed and he who curses Israel shall be cursed! It's fact friends.

So what if US gives aid to the most important country on Earth.

We should be more concerned about the aid we give to our future enemies, certain Middle East and African countries.

Israel will never agree to a two-state solution. There will be war until the world understands this. Even Allah gives Israel to the Jews, while Islam, the extremist type, continues its BS.

john wayne   May 6th, 2009 9:03 am ET

HMH

Abdul Hamid

Big deal, no proof whatsoever of the lack of repayment. as you claimed under a different name, no proof that Israel does not spend all the military aid in the US giving tens ofthousands of Americans employement.

our mention of the loan guarantees proves that you understand nothing! These are exactly what they say, at NO cost to the US, the commisiion is paid by Isarel, NO money is provided by the US "taxpayer". But you will do ANYTHING, bring any lie in your antisemitic agenda.

Abdul Hamid, you failed again!!!!

So go back to google and find more enries you can bend and manipulate by giving only half of the truth. Goebbels is proud of you!!

BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John A   May 6th, 2009 12:25 pm ET

John Wayne your understanding is as pitiful as your blogging name.

America currently has a stimulus plan investing billions of its own dollars into its own industries, to help its own people. Are you really so stupid to believe that America needs to give its money to Israel, so Israel can obtain American products and create American jobs. While Israel effectively gets the produce of American labor for free.

The only fact that your blogs have established is that the supporters of Zionism are supremely twisted.

miriam   May 6th, 2009 1:00 pm ET

HMH and Prof

There is no mention in these articles about the aid Israel gives the US since the authors have their own anti-Israel (and anti-American and Republican) agendas.

Perhaps if you google a bit harder you'll find the lists of Israeli aid to the US.

The Syrian government does not receive US aid since it has held the title as a state sponsor of terrorism since 1979. She does receive aid from the Gulf States, and I'm sure from Iran aswell.

john wayne   May 6th, 2009 1:38 pm ET

John A

disprove, if you can, any single fact I presented

You cannot, just as Abdul Hamid (aka professor) never could.

LMAO! LMAO! LMAO! LMAO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You guys are pitiful. HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

john wayne   May 6th, 2009 1:41 pm ET

Miriam

Syria received aid in the past and was forgiven repayment of several billions after the first gulf war for their "help", so was Egypt.

Israel was not rewarded for sitting still and receiving a rain of scuds from Iraq!!!!!

Filipe   May 6th, 2009 2:33 pm ET

Professor,

Thanks for the link--– It verifies exactly what I've told you-Quote -–"Matti Peled, former Israeli major general and Knesset member, told Zunes that he and most Israeli generals believe this aid is "little more than an American subsidy to U.S. arms manufacturers," considering that the majority of military aid to Israel is used to buy weapons from the U.S."

You can read through this entire article which goes to great lengths to detail how much money is sent to Israel-– how much money it is costing the US taxpayers. The bottom line is-– all of this money is in turn spent by Israel in the US, supporting jobs for US citizens, high technology development and the US economy.

So you can complain all you like-– there is a motive to process-- supported by the US government and lobbied for by the Aerospace Industry Association, which has contributed twice as much money to political campaigns as AIPAC and all pro Israeli lobby groups combined.

The article is quite misleading as to it's claims of "total cost to taxpayers"-- where they roll in lost interest revenues. The authors would like you believe that if this money were not given as aid, it would be sitting idle in a bank accruing interest--right!-- when the truth is- the money is regularly injected directly into the US economy, stimulating development and economic growth.

I guess your alternative would be to give the money to AIG or GM or Chrysler -- never to be seen or heard from again-- to pay the bonuses and salaries and parties for the crooks who run your financial organizations.

Filipe   May 6th, 2009 2:48 pm ET

John A May 6th, 2009 1225 GMT

Are you really so stupid to believe that America needs to give its money to Israel, so Israel can obtain American products and create American jobs.

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John A,

The link provided by professor confirms this. Go read the article-– you might be surprised.

http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

The US effectively creates the market for the high tech product which Israel buys by providing them the money to do so. No money to Israel-no help from Israel to distribute/resell the product to other countries--no need for Israel to buy the product for themselves. You are creating your own demand. You need not blame Israel for your own deeds. How absurd.

HMH   May 6th, 2009 2:55 pm ET

MIRIAM AND JOHN

My concern is that the aid US gives to Israel and OTHERS hurts the US people. USA should support the people by cutting their taxes to very small rate. As a US citizen, I would like to help my neighbor, the homless, orphans, our soldiers, and our communities in this country. When this area is satisfied then the US has the choice to help whom ever it wishes but it should start with people or countries that really needs it and not based on politics and lobbies.

The following link shows the aid from Israel to USA in form of research and high tech expertise.
http://www.geocities.com/d_elazar/USA/IsraelAidUSA.htm

university rector   May 6th, 2009 3:13 pm ET

HMS

SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT THE US SHOULD GO BACK TO ISOLATIONISM, AS SUGGESTED BY MANY BEFORE THE US JOINED WW II.

INTERESTING, BUT COMPLETELY OUTDATED CONCEPT

John A   May 7th, 2009 9:21 am ET

First question: Are John Wayne & the university rector unemployed. They seems to have all day to post BS on this site? Perhaps unemployable would be the right phrase?

University Rector, nobody is asking the US to practice isolationism, in fact we ask the US to join the world community and condemn Israelis land grabbing aggression in the Middle East. Unfortunately the US is the only nation that vetoes UN action against Israel, which is why the world community is so dissatisfied with America. Obama is set to repair the US's position and end full support for Zionist apartheid. The blogs after the 18th May will be interesting.

Professor   May 7th, 2009 10:57 am ET

John A,

John Wayna aka Carlos and University Rector aka Dan are both unemployed and living on US Tax Aid to Israel and they want us to believe that when Israel spends money given to it for free to purchase US made weapons is actually money paid back to the US... what a bunch of idiots. I guess they do not realize that the US in doing so paying double for the products its shipping to Israel. They must've flunked the math classes in elementary school.

Professor   May 7th, 2009 11:03 am ET

John A,

maybe i should put it in simple math for those who keep arguing that point:

A has 2000 dollars it gives 1000 to B and it spends 1000 producing a gadget.

B turns around and spends back the 1000 it got from A purchasing the gadget from A.

Results: A only has 1000 now.... so its out 1000.
B has a gadget for free that did not cost her a penny out of pocket money.

John A   May 7th, 2009 11:46 am ET

Filipe wrote: You are creating your own demand. You need not blame Israel for your own deeds. How absurd.
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Dear Filipe,
First you agree that Israel is gaining huge free handouts from America.
Second, nobody blamed Israel for excepting the aid. The point is America is wrong for supporting Zionist apartheid. Without American support, peace will come and the ugly politics of Israel will reform. Then their will be a two states solution and we can put Zionist land grabbing aggression in the history books.

university rector   May 7th, 2009 5:35 pm ET

John a

Why do you ask Isarel what no nation in the world does?

The Arabs refused the two state solution, Israel accepted.

The US grabbed half of Mexico, do you advocate giving it back? What are you doing against the apartheid policies of the US government for more than 200 years against the original inhabitants of the continent, the INDIANS?

Why don't you demand the return of Danzig, Koenigsberg and Breslau to Germany from the Poles?

Only the Jews are thieves in your eyes.

university rector   May 7th, 2009 5:40 pm ET

professor

"when Israel spends money given to it for free to purchase US made weapons is actually money paid back to the US… what a bunch of idiots."

It undeniably gives employment to tens of thousands of people who would be otherwise on the dole.

Or do you advocate spending the money by aiding North Korea or Iran?

John A   May 7th, 2009 7:32 pm ET

University rector wrote:
Only the Jews are thieves in your eyes.

No obviously history is full of thieves. But at least we agree Israel is guilty of theft.

Now for American aid which University rector claims creates jobs in America. I trust Bill, John Wayne, Gleigh, world traveller & University Rector support Israel due to their inability to understand simple things. Because I want to help you, I will try to explain the situation in very simple terms.

America is a shop

Israel is the customer.

The customer walks into a shop. The shopkeeper gives the customer 10 dollars. The customer buys 10 dollars worth of products. The result being the shop has lost 10 dollars and the customer makes a profit of 10 dollars.

Just to be sure you understand, this means America losses 10 dollars and Israel makes a 10 dollar profit. America does not create jobs by losing money.

University rector, If you can’t understand something so simple why do you think people want to read your blogs??

Professor, are these people incapable of understanding simple things or is their prejudice so blinding that they cant see Isreals overwhelming army being used to kill unarmed civilians.

Filipe   May 7th, 2009 8:10 pm ET

John A,

Obviously you didn't bother to read the link professor posted, or you failed to really understand it. I'm not sure which. But your claim that Israel is in receipt of the aid at no cost is quite far from the truth. Israel is obliged to provide much in return. Not even the US government gives stuff away for free-- without obligations-- get real.

Why do you think that Israel plays the part of the middleman in US arms trade with countries that the US companies are not permitted to deal with directly? Why do you think that Israel allow itself to be used as the single largest US "aircraft carrier" in the world???--- Saving the US billions of $$$$.? Why do you think that Israel participates in the high tech development areas with US companies??

The list goes on and on--

If this aid to Israel is of no benefit to the US--– they wouldn't give it!!!!! Wake up!!!!

John A   May 7th, 2009 11:20 pm ET

Filipe I could not have put it better, thank you.
America does use Israel as its middle east aircraft carrier, to wave a big stick in the oil region.
Israel uses this political opportunity to gain free military aid which is in turn used to support its illegal expansion and theft of neighbour’s resources.
America gains military influence in an important area. Israel gains Palestinian land and the Arabs get the most outrageous deal in modern history.
But the story does not end there. America gets terrorist attacks from people who see no hope of gaining justice. Oil will run out in 50 years and surprise surprise America is starting to change it’s strategic position, with strong demands for a two state solution. Filipe America is planning a reverse on the propaganda. By the time oil runs out, America will have washed its hands with Israel. So for the sake of a peaceful end, Israel should offer a decent solution before its protector disappears.

Filipe   May 8th, 2009 1:45 am ET

John A,

You must be one of the Wall Street wizards that's manged to put the world economy in a tailspin.

What is it you don't seem to understand about job creation through capital funding and generation of sales revenue by the creation of demand?

Your analogy is quite erroneous to say the least.

1) The shopkeeper didn't give the customer the money-- the gov't. did. The shopkeeper is public company-- not the US or the US gov't.
2) The shopkeeper made a sale and made the profit because the government gave the customer some money.
3) The shopkeeper employed the US citizens to make and sell the product.
4) The shopkeeper and the US citizens then paid taxes to the government.
5) The shopkeeper then made incremental sales to other customers because the first customer made the purchases. You know-– everybody else needs to keep up with the Joneses because you can't allow for the Joneses to get ahead of you in the power curve !!!
7) The shopkeeper employs more US citizens to make more product because he has more sales
8) The shopkeeper and the citizens pay more taxes because they make more money
9) The shopkeeper makes more sales to the first customer because he can't let other guys get too close to his power base!
10) The shopkeeper makes more sales to the first customer because he sells the stuff he buys to people that the shopkeeper isn't allowed to sell the stuff to. (Read the article your buddy professor posted)!!!!
11) The shopkeeper and the US citizens keep making more money and paying more taxes--- magnitudes more than the amount the government gave to the first customer !!!

WOW-– amazing how that works!!!!!!!

It just takes a little bit of thought and planning and thinking outside the box--–

But if all you understand is-- "the shopkeeper gives the customer money and he buys the stuff with the money he's given......blah..blah...blah....blah..... then the shopkeeper will always be broke because he's as dumb as dirt !!!!

You just don't get it do you??

Do I need to dumb it down for you????

I seriously doubt that any of the others you have addressed on this blog really need or want you kind of help. Don't attempt to flatter yourself-– it is quite amusing though!!!!

Oh and for those of us who can read and speak the language ---

The correct word to use in your post above would be "accepting" not "excepting". Do you know the difference??

You should be careful of criticizing others' ability to read, speak and comprehend the English language considering the skills you exhibit!

John A   May 8th, 2009 8:33 am ET

Filipe,
You constantly announce to the world a your lack of numerical ability. Please just ask somebody who knows a little about basic mathematics. If you keep trying you might figure it out one day.

But actually what you are really trying to do, is divert attention from Israel's latest massacre of the innocent Palestinians last December.

You make a good point about criticizing typing errors or grammar. Its a tragedy that correcting grammar mistakes wont bring back those killed by Israel overwhelmingly inappropriate use of military force. Also it wont end the illegal occupation Israel practices and it wont rebuild the Palestinian homes destroyed every month to allow Israel to construct new illegal settlements. Nevertheless you make a good point about the grammar.

Filipe   May 8th, 2009 12:41 pm ET

JohnA,

I'm not surprised you fail to understand the concept of capital investment and supply and demand.

It's also quite funny you claim it is I is attempting to divert the subject-–I was only responding to your absurd post.

Correcting typing errors or grammar-- that says it all--– you obviously don't know the difference between "accepting" and 'excepting"!! Your error was neither in spelling nor in grammar-– it is was a clear an indication of your lack of knowledge of the words you use--- in simple terms-- you don't know what you're saying or how to say it correctly!! Yet you make snide comments to others about their ability to speak, read and understand the English language. Do yourself a favor--enroll in a remedial English course, freshen up on your communication skills before making any further attempts to denigrate someone else's abilities!

Rick   May 15th, 2009 4:42 pm ET

Go back even further than WWI; go back 3,000 to 4,000 years and you will see that Jews lived in the land then – once again revisionist history at work that says the Jews have no right to this land – and this is from a Gentile

John A   May 22nd, 2009 6:30 pm ET

Rick

Practicing your religion in an area does not give you ownership of the land.

Alexander the Great conquered Palestine. His Greek army had many epic battles with the Arabs who populated the area. There are no historical records of Alexander fighting against mighty Jewish cities. Why because they never existed. So what very select period in history do you feel grants Palestine to the Jews. They never even founded the city of Jerusalem. King David renamed this city Jerusalem after it was captured by his army.

Itai   June 15th, 2009 7:48 am ET

let me guess

adam and eve were jews and they did life in tel aviv ... zionists say they did life there for millenias just because they are humble... but in fact they did life in tel aviv since adam ... ohh i forgott ... god created the world and before he created adam he did life in tel aviv and he is also a jew

kep the joke up
maybe there is just a half totaly idiot who is still caring about that

the jews did live in germani before they did come to palestine not 20000000 years ago ... no only 60 years ago and before there were palestinians in palestine

ohh the italians were also there ... maybe the italians also wanna get now theyr land back
its theyr right they did life there years ago

ohh in the bible they say before the jews did come to israel there did live some people
maybe this people are the real owners of the land ... but no they were not jews

and anyway history did start with jews ... there cant be something other then jews
where the hell comes the african from the native americans and chineses ... let me guess the whole world is a jew exept of palestinians which did life in israel before israel did exist

and what did they ay in the bible dont kill
but killing palestinians is not like killing because they are not people so its good to kill them because they are the same as h1n1

let me guess jews are older then the chinese civilisation older then persian culture
let me guess israeli history is much more larger in 60 years then us american history after less then 300 years

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