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CS   April 29th, 2009 12:10 pm ET

I understand resisting opression. I understand fighting those who invade and attempt to change your country against your will. I do not understand this suicide bomb thing. To kill one or two enemy, and many of their own, while destroying one more peice of you own infrastructure in the process, is making it worse for their remaining family and countrymen in the area. It's a little unfair to...let's say kill innocent civilians (of one's own country), by setting off a bomb in a local market of shop. The shop owner (if he/she's not killed maimed)
is out of work and livelihood, thus adding to the poverty level. Sons and daughters, and fathers and mother and friends, who probably dislike enemy occupation as well, are needlessly killed. WHY?! These people are all wanting a good life, free of opression, and agree with the extremists in one thing for sure...that they want freedom. So if your neighbors, and cousins, and friends, and local fish monger, and local produce man, and your child's teacher agrees that they want a better life, than why kill them. Is it that the extremist would rather be the one to kill his OWN people, than have someone else do it?

It appears that extremists want to put up a good fight. Why not stop wasting resources, and time doing evil things that will only make your future efforts less likely to succeed; and lay low, build a REAL military force that can fight oppressive forceshonorably, and as a force to be reckoned with?

I thouroughly agree that Iraq, and Palestine, and soon to be Iran, are being bullied by oppressive outside forces. I get the resistance. I get the tenacity. I get the unwillingness to go quietly. I don't get killing your own, in a poor campaign.

miriam   April 29th, 2009 6:34 pm ET

CS

It's the illogical behaviour of such terrorists that has led to their people's situaton. If they could live as civilized human beings and contribute positively towards building society rather than destroying it in the name of resistance etc, they would have nothing and nobody to 'resist'.

This blog is either oblivious to, or (most probably) disinterested in the fact that Israel has been celebrating independence today.

Happy 61st Birthday!!!!! and many more to come.

GLeigh   April 30th, 2009 2:07 pm ET

CS – I don't think killing others, your own or anyone else, is a good direction in general. If that is a life purpose, the life is messed up. Why is it that extremist kill their own? Because they are extreme? There is a danger in not being able to accept other people, for whatever reason, large or small. I don't see anyone being bullied. I see people who need to unite, Jewish or Muslim or Christian, and try to build happy lives in the Middle East. If Jewish people and Christian and Muslim people were friends and neighbors, it would be a pretty neat place. The hate thing messes that up, but maybe their children can go there – despite their parents.

Miriam – I did not know until I read this blog, that Israel was now having an anniversary on its independence. Being independent is always a great thing, in all ways. No one wants to be dependent on others.

GLeigh   April 30th, 2009 2:10 pm ET

On a more somber note – why is it that Christians were attacked? That is really mean, to put it simply. Imagine being killed for your faith in God, whatever faith it is and how sad for the family left. I thought, from reading this blog, that religion wasn't the issue, but land and areas.

Hope   April 30th, 2009 3:04 pm ET

We have yet to hear one Israeli showing gratitude to US (tax payer) for making their independent day possible!..for without our generous financial aid of annual billions..Israel would not be dancing in the streets...their need and reliance on us need to stop.

Filipe   April 30th, 2009 8:00 pm ET

There is another brainwashed American who thinks that the existence of Israel is dependent on them. You should take some time to educate yourself on the economical and financial strength of Israel before you make such an absurd statement. Your $3billion per year means more to the ecomomy of the of the US than it does to Israel.

Barry   April 30th, 2009 8:45 pm ET

I'm glad that the US supports its friend and ally Israel. They are on the front line against Islamic terrorism. If Israel falls, we're the next target of these monsters. It's better to fight them over there than it will be to fight them in our streets.

university rector   April 30th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

Hope

Without Israel spending the military aid from the US in US factories, as demanded by the aid bill, ten thousands of Amercans would be unemployed. Show some gratitude instead of mouthing empty propaganda slogans you heard from Abdul Hamid aka professor!!!

CS   May 1st, 2009 12:37 pm ET

University. It's hard for me to believe that the $ is not spent on other things than to be given right back to the U.S. That is kind of silly, no? Let me give you some money, so you can turn around and give it right back. Something tells me that all the U.S. made AR-15's and tanks and choppers, and jets come from somewhere though. Somebody's got to pay for those, no?

CS   May 1st, 2009 12:44 pm ET

Miriam. To say that nobody is being bullied is inaccurate. The invasion of Iraq is pretty obviously an injustice. Attacking a country that has not attacked you is bullying, especially when that country is obviously weaker than you.

To mention others; Your Israel has attacked Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq, for no good reason. Dropping bombs on someone, unprovoked is the reason your people are in the position they're in. This is why nobody in the rgion that you're in gets along with you. Maybe if you could learn to live like civilized human beings, you situation would change.

university rector   May 1st, 2009 4:00 pm ET

CS

nobody cares whatyou believe, I talk about

F A C T S

if you are not familiar with the word, google it!

CS   May 1st, 2009 4:11 pm ET

which "factories" do you speak so factually of?
It IS a FACT that the U.S. supplies Israel with weapons. You have been more of a burden than a source of equal trade and or profit for the U.S.,

CS   May 1st, 2009 4:14 pm ET

Is it not a FACT that Israel Bombed Syria?!

Is it not a FACT that Israel Bombed Iraq?!

Is it not a fact that Israel bombed Lebanon?!

Did any of these nations bomb Israel, in order to reap such uncivilized action?

Retard.

Filipe   May 1st, 2009 4:43 pm ET

It may be difficult for some to believe-- but it is a fact, that the US foreign aid given to Israel is spent by Israel in the US. You say " kind of silly" ! I think not-- I think very smart!!! Why would the US give the money and allow it to spent in places where it will not benefit the US ??-- Now that would be be kind of silly. You should look into your foreign aid policy with Israel before you assume such things as being silly and unbelievable.

It also appears that that some people believe that the IDF is totally dependent upon the US for its' military arsenal. The fact is, the small arms are not AR-15's or M-16's. While the IDF does own some of these US arms, they've recently been phased out in favor of the Uzis and IMI assault rifles- Israeli designed and manufactured. It it also a fact that the tanks are not US made-- they're actually Merkavas-- Israeli designed and manufactured, reported to be the best in the world. As well, the thousands of armored fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers are Israeli designed and manufactured. The dependence upon the US for these types of hardware has been greatly reduced in recent years. The joint development efforts between the US and Israel does provide Israel with the ability to partner with US companies such as MD, Boeing and Lockheed Martin. Without such joint agreements, there would be many advanced projects and technologies that would not move forward, such as the F-35 Raptor from Lockheed Martin and many of the missiles and missile defense systems available today.

So you should be thankful to your ally in the Middle East for helping to keep your US citizens employed in high paying advanced technology jobs--- you economy can't stand to be much further down the rat-hole than it currently is.

university rector   May 1st, 2009 8:17 pm ET

CS

thank you for the compliment, if I am a retard, I dare not even think what you are, but you know of course

and now to the facts, CS:

Syria bombing Israel day in and day out from 1948 to 1967

Iraqi soldiers fighting against Isarel in 1948, 1967, 1973

Attacks carried out against Isarel from Lebanese soil for years, katyushas, grads, terror teams, suicide bombers, all from Lebanon. The Palestinians massacreing Lebanese Christians, wipeing out complete villages

These are F A C T S CS

Now go back to Abdul Hamid aka Professor and cry

CS   May 4th, 2009 10:31 am ET

Rectoric, how relavant are these 36, 42, and 61 year old facts. I'm sure you, and I know for a fact that others like you (GLeigh, carlos, miriam etc) are always complaining that we need to forget about the crime that Israel, the U.S., and U.N. committed in 1948, by stealing Palestinian land away. In FACT, let me quote Ehud Olmert,
"Israel must withdraw from almost all, if not all settlements in the West Bank to acheive peice". He knows that Israel is wrong for what they're doing, hust like those soldiers who admitted to killing innocent civilians, unneccessarily during the last conflict.

And to respond to the garbage you mentioned about bombimbngs, and so forth that happened decades ago, you're either full of $hit, or ignorant. Israel brough all those things on themselves by becoming a rogue force in the region. Why do you think everybody hates them? Because they're Jews? I REEAALY think it's a little deeper than that. Israel tried to create an empire (similar to other tyrants in the past). They tried to take Joredan, and much of the whole region. It started out as a speck. And rightfully so, considering that they ere only around 10 percent of the Palestinian population, prior to 1948. And they were getting spanked, to be honest, until the U.S. had to come in and bail them out...AGAIN!

CS   May 4th, 2009 10:45 am ET

Filipe. I have no shame in telling the truth of my countries past misdeeds. But make no mistake about this; This country was here before Israel, carried Israel, and will do just fine without Israel in the furure. The world economy is poor right now, not just U.S. We've been through depression, recession, revolutionary, civil, and world war, and ain't goin nowhere. In fact, before you start feeling too good about yourself, you should still be thanking us for leading the effort to save you from extinction. You're welcome.

As far as our economy is concerned, three of the major financial intitutions here have turned profits during the first 1/4, (which if you have 1/2 a brain, you know is unheard of during a recession). This, during only the 1st 3 months of Obama's new term. I think we'll be alright, especially without Israel trying to get us involved in another war they can't win without our help. Let me quote Olmert again
"What we can do with the Palestinians, the Syrians, and the Lebanese, we cannot do with the Iranians."

"Let's be more modest, and act within the bounds of our realistic capabilities"

Shocking huh. Look it up. I tell you, I only deal in fact:)

john wayne   May 4th, 2009 11:44 am ET

CS

you contradict yourself:

"how relavant are these 36, 42, and 61 year old facts"

Then it is irrerelevant what you think happened in 1948, what is important is what happenes now.

This is your logic, not mine,

Filipe   May 4th, 2009 12:52 pm ET

CS,

Before you get to feeling too big about yourself--- neither you nor your country ever saved me an my country from extinction!!!! You are very assuming to think you know who I am and where I come from! But that is typical American mentality as seen by those outside your country. You view yourself as the worlds' savior and self appointed policeman, much to the dismay of the rest of the world.

You should learn to stay home and mind your own affairs. Yet you feel obliged to spout off to the rest of the world how good and great the US has been-- yet there are few people outside your own circle who will agree with your view. You seem to take great pride in evoking to the those who would listen that it is Israel who is the perpetrator of aggression in the ME. Yet the you ignore the fact that that it was the collective Arab nations who threatened and still threaten the very existence of Israel--1948, 1967 and 1973. Do you deny these facts? Are you one of those who sits in comfort on the other side of the planet and believes that Israel does not have the right to exist??

You need to get your fact straight on who is the aggressor-– so far you've done an extremely poor job! To the rest of the world--it is the US who is seen as the worlds' first and foremost aggressor!!!

When did Israel "try to take Jordan" ??

When and where did the US "had to come in and bail them out…AGAIN!"

Since you so strongly believe that it is you and your wonderful US that "saved" Israel for extinction-- please -- reveal to all of us here-– where and when has the US-- or as a matter of "fact" --any other country become directly involved in any Israeli military conflict with any of their neighbors ???? Please name one!!! In which conflict did you "save Israel from extinction"?

As far as Olmert saying that Israel will need to withdraw from settlements in the West Bank--- what is so surprising to you about this???

Since you only deal in facts-– please specify-- the Israel soldiers who admitted to killing innocent civilians unnecessarily in Gaza.

Or are you simply repeating the party line of propaganda based upon hearsay, second hand and third hand information??? Please-– provide the facts, since you only deal in facts. Enough of the unfounded and unsubstantiated accusations.

GLeigh   May 4th, 2009 2:32 pm ET

It seems to me that the U.S. troops, and the U.N, and others, are trying to meet humane standards. They get attacked. There is always good and bad. Basic life 101 and we've seen it all from a young age. I'm now fifty. But, we have our own stuff. Israel is a country. It should exist. We know the history from back in the Roman days and before. Some are not tolerant of anyone different. The U.S., where I am, would be a huge challenge. I love it. Honestly, I cannot imagine a God who makes the stars or quarks caring a lot about this stuff. I wouldn't. My kids probably will, and it's interesting in a way, but seems almost kiddish to bicker about sooo many years.

Professor   May 4th, 2009 6:24 pm ET

University rector,

your name shows that you know nothing about facts... all what you know is to spread the lies that Israeli Embassy supply you with. Get a life and find yourself a real job. Everyone on here is onto you and your gang Dan, Carlos, GLeigh, Barry, Bill..... or are all these aliases are yours?.... LOL

Filipe   May 4th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Why would anyone who claims to be a professor spout such hatred and name calling to others. What Educational Institution are you affiliated with?

If you have facts to offer which supports your criticism of others then you should, by all means, put them forward. Otherwise, you're no different than post you just made.

Barry   May 5th, 2009 4:00 am ET

Albanian Professor -

What's wrong? University Rector blowing away your lies and propaganda? You always acuse the people who have the facts with being liars, but you never provide any proof. Why is that? Is it because your proof doesn't exist? You make lame references to the Israeli embassy. Your paranoia and ant-semitism are showing, big time. You fail to realize that a great many of the posters here who disagree with you are not Israelis. I'd say that most of the world disagrees with your lies and your support for terrorism.

Barry   May 5th, 2009 4:20 am ET

CS -

Since you claim to deal in facts, please supply the names of all Israeli soldiers who admitted to personally, unnecessarily killing Palestinian civilians during Operation Cast Lead. Please cite your sources.

Everything I've read to date has disproven these rumors. I know you've been told that these rumors were disproven. Since you are still repeating the accusations, please prove your "facts".

It's funny you call others ignorant or full of $hit and then contradict yourself in the same post. Do you have to resort to name calling because your case and your logic (not to mention your spelling) are so weak?

Not everybody hates Israel. I have a great deal of respect for Israel, certainly a lot more than for their terrorist neighbors. Israel has supporters around the world. Many people think that your position about Israel illegally taking Palestinian land is ridiculous. The Jews have been on that land continuously for thousands of years, long before Arab invaders moved in. There was no country on that land when Israel was legally founded by the UN. The West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem, and more were reclaimed when the Arabs/Muslims tried to destroy Israel in 1968. If the Palestinians think they have a valid claim to the land, why don't they stop the terrorism and the violence and let a court decide? Is it because they know they don't have a valid claim or is it because they are dedicated to violence, terrorism, and the destruction of Israel at any cost?

john wayne   May 5th, 2009 6:15 am ET

Abdul Hamid (aka professor)

Proof for any of your ridiculous allegations?

nada, nothing, nichts, rien

q.e.d.

CS   May 5th, 2009 2:15 pm ET

Barry. HAARETZ and CNN. Let me guess, they're not credible sources. You saw the quote that I psoted from Olmert. You've read what the IDF soldiers have said, wich was posted on this very site. You simply think that Israel is entitled to behave like animals. Admitt it.
I'm not going to go into how much land Jews ACTUALLY lived on in the thousands of years prior, I'll just say that they were nomads. They were so because of their own iniquity. Not to say that they have no right to a country of their own, but they have no right to romp around, trying to get Arabs to abandodn their country as well.
Once again, here are my sources;

NPR
CNN
HAARETZ
MSNBC
AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL
http://www.ifamericansknew.org
http://www.nimn.org

Just so you don't whine about how my sources are biased, 3 of the 7 are predominantly Jewish run organizations, who realize the injustice that Israel committs, and has committed.

As far as giving the names of the soldiers, you and I both know that soldiers names are protected for their own sake. So now you're saying that CNN and HAARETZ (Another Israeli Media) made up the interviews with ghosts who gave false statements, or that someone just made it up. An Israeli newspaper decided to 'make up' a story that favors Palestinian civilians. You're not FOS at all.

CS   May 5th, 2009 2:17 pm ET

Flippy. HOW ABOUT WWII you rere!!!

CS   May 5th, 2009 2:23 pm ET

Rector. I have no need to cry. I keep giving you facts, and you keep putting a spin on things, or talking about other crap, or just plain denying what we have all read right here on this site. I'm not surprised. All you supporters of Israel do is try and discredit anybody who opposes your views. I mean, it's so funny to me that you can try to say that HAARETZ, CNN, and AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL report falsehoods (only when they report on Israel's misdeeds) yet, here you are on their website, commenting on what they print. You guys ar funny. I have no reason to cry. You're the one with the hurting rector.

John A   May 5th, 2009 3:24 pm ET

After viewing the idiotic comments from John Wayne, Barry & GLeigh I thought I would add a sensible comment made by Joe Bidden (US Government)

Addressing the main US Israel lobby, the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac), Mr Biden said Israel must take concrete measures.

"Israel has to work toward a two-state solution. You're not going to like my saying this but not build more settlements, dismantle existing outposts and allow Palestinians freedom of movement."

Says it all really. Lets hope this time America will change in a way the world can in.

CS   May 5th, 2009 8:27 pm ET

John. I like your position, and totally agree with Biden. I think if people give this administration a chance, they will do us and our neighbors in the world a good amount of healing. Joe Biden also said something a few weeks ago that REALLY impressed me. You might remember, a few weeks ago, this discusting law that Pakistani leaders are tossing around, having to do with men being pemitted to rape their wives if the women are not in the mood for sex. This is apauling, and Biden said so, but when a trap was set by the reporter, he did not falter. When asked what this administration was prepared to do with Pakistan due to this nonsense, after denouncing the thought of this law, he simply stated "I am not prepared to send American troops to die for that."

He went on to show further disagreement with such a thing, but basically said that we should not not be creating wars over the policies of other nations. This is in stark contrast to the right wingers who wanted to use any and all excuses to invade Iraq. First WMD's, then operation Iraqi freedom, then to train their military, then because their women wear veils and such.

Sorry to get off topic a bit, but I just needed to go there about this administration. I really think they will give their best in order to fix things in Israel/Palestine, without coddling either side. Obama has condemned Hamas for the bombings, and he and his administration obviously expect that Israel should play fair with regard to the settlements, if they truly want to work towards peace with it's neighbors.

Anyway...nice to have you.

university rector   May 5th, 2009 8:58 pm ET

CS

blah blah blah, not a single verifyable fact, blah blah blah

just like your good friend Abdul Hamid (aka professor)

Amnesty International strongly deplored Hamas and their terror tactics, remember?

No, that's in the right lobe which you do not have, right CS?

university rector   May 5th, 2009 9:01 pm ET

CS

and all websites are factual, right?

Like the Hamas website (where you get your lies) and the Hizbullah website (where the Hams website lies come from)

pathetic, isn't it, you and Abdul Hamid (aka professor)

Professor   May 5th, 2009 9:08 pm ET

John A.

Biden was loud and clear... this is the policy of the US and Israel has to abide by it or else... Rector might disagree as well as the rest of his gang... LMAO.

Filipe   May 5th, 2009 11:49 pm ET

CS,

Why do you get all worked up when someone asks you to validate what your saying. Everyone has read the accounts what the Israeli soldiers said during their session after the conflict. This has been well documented on all news sources which you mentioned. But what you fail to acknowledge is that the true and accurate accounts of what was said was all-- 100% -– hearsay, second hand and third hand information.

No one ever admitted to killing any innocent civilians. No one ever admitted to seeing anyone kill any innocent civilians. The initial report has long since been dismissed as being nothing more than propaganda.

The soldiers' names have not been protected--- there were names given in the original report. But no one ever, ever, claimed to personally kill or see anyone kill any innocent civilians.

Go back and read-- it's all there-- if you find where someone said they actually killed or saw someone kill innocent civilians-- put it out here for all to see--- then everyone will shut up about it!!!!

Easier yet--– point to any of the published accounts from these sources where anyone says "I killed innocent civilians" or " I saw someone kill innocent civilians" !!!

The simple fact is-- no one ever made either of those statements in any of the reports aired on TV or in the printed media!

You getting all worked up about it and calling people names proves nothing! It simply gives one the impression that there is no substance to your claims.

You are doing nothing more than misrepresenting what all of your sources have printed !!!!

And by the way-– the Arabs of the Palestinian Territories were the "nomads"-- more commonly referred to as Bedouins. The Jews were the permanent residents who seasonally employed the Bedouins to work the farms. The Arabs came and went freely for hundreds of years until modern times when lands were officially partitioned into sovereign states with recognized borders and of governments.

GLeigh   May 6th, 2009 12:05 am ET

I thought America and Israel had always been for a two state solution?? Now I'm confused. I thought it was turned down, and not by Israel or America. I thought that got offered a decade or two or three ago?? Driving Israel into the sea is what some want, not two states. I heard that on the news. I think two different states with mediators, unbiased ones, from neutral countries would be great!!! But, some get shot or kidnapped. That would have to stop of course.

Barry   May 6th, 2009 2:12 am ET

CS –

I guess you can't prove your "facts", as usual. Your proof ends up being with Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy again. Giving a random list of websites proves absolutely nothing, as you have been told over and over. You might as well say google.com supports your positions. LOL. You can't provide a single name of a soldier who admitted to personally killing a Palestinian unnecessarily! What a crock! Talk about FOS!

You can't be direct citing specific articles in your list of so-called sources supporting your allegations, as usual. Why is that? Is it because you are lying, lazy, or just ignorant? All three? You just pretend your allegations are the truth and pretend someone in your list of sources must agree with you. Like the Albanian Professor, your credibility is ZERO. Your supposed quote from Olmert wasn't even spelled correctly nor did you provide any evidence he actually said it. Again, does ebay.com support your allegations and false claims? If I go to the library and randomly write down the names of books can I use them as proof of my position that Palestinians are violent terrorists squatting on Israeli land? The Meals-In-One-Hour Cookbook said so. LOL

Barry   May 6th, 2009 2:26 am ET

John Hole -

The last several governments of Israel have been working for a two state solution. Since the Palestinians have never negotiated in good faith, and have always found it necessary to continually attack Israeli civilians, the newly elected government is probably not too interested in giving these terrorists more Israeli land. Look what happened when Israel gave them Gaza. They raped the land, dug up sewer pipes to make Kassams, and turned Gaza into a terrorist encampment from which to attack Israeli civilians. They elected an Islamic terrorist government whose charter calls for the destruction of Israel. They didn't build an economy. They didn't make life better for the Palestinians. They just used them for cannon fodder while attacking Israel at all costs. When will people realize that it is not about the land. It is about Arab/Muslim hatred and jealousy of Israel. You can give them all the land and they won't be satisfied until all Israelis are dead. Gaza is living proof.

Yeah, I'm sure the Israeli government is going to make that same mistake again real soon. Please hold your breath.

John A   May 6th, 2009 9:09 am ET

Dear Sad Barry and unread Gleigh
You know very well that when Israel has discussed a two state solution they have requested Israel controls all the regions water & air space. They have also suggested that a Palestinian state should be fragmented into various zones. In short Israel gets the milk and honey and the Palestinians get the left overs that nobody can live with.

The game is up. Israel can not be left to break all UN resolutions and expect its Arabic neighbors to suffer in silence. There has always been an answer to this problem, but it involves Israel giving back resources and land that it has illegally occupied for over 40 years. In 1985 WII ended 40years previously and the world did not find excuses to persecute a new generation of Germans and Japanese. Sadly the supposed Godly people of Israel have no peace in their hearts and continue to claim land from the 6 day war and continue to persecute the Palestinians and continue to cry when the Palestinians resist the ethnic cleansing that the Israeli government has tried to achieve in the region.

p.s. did you read the UN report yesterday, which found Israel guilty of war crimes and the state backed murder of Palestinians last December. I know you will say this is propaganda and the entire world is wrong about Israel. But your belief that you are right and the rest of the world is wrong, is the exact mentality behind the middle east conflict. The simple answer is to allow other people to live. Be kind and not a land grabbing, propaganda spinning, dishonest person. The Jews claim this land was promised to them by God and they are Gods chosen ones. God also requests that you do to others as you would wish to have done to you. Would you like to have Palestine control all the regions water?? If not why has Israel always offered the most ungodly two state solution. Simple answer Barry, it has always been a fake offer of peace and Israel wont share this land with other people of different faiths, even if these people were born there unlike the Jewish immigrants who arrived from eastern Europe to obtain a better quality of life. The same Jewish immigrants would have gone any where in the world that offered a better quality of life. So the issue is not about religion and history. Its much more simple, its about possession & greed. Its about Israel wanting to control everything, even if this means other valuable people are left to suffer a life with no opportunity. So if Israel wants peace, let them show they are prepared to accept the rights of others.

CS   May 6th, 2009 10:33 am ET

Filipe sure does sound like carloser. Maybe they're cousins.

CS   May 6th, 2009 10:38 am ET

Let me guess Barry...the U.N. is now Santa, the tooth fairy, and a random website all wrapped into one right. LMAO! LMAO! LMAO! LMAO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You guys are pitiful. HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

CS   May 6th, 2009 12:29 pm ET

Barry. When you say working towards a two state solution, do you mean encouraging, and sponsoring the Jewish settlements in the West Bank? The true terrorists are the Israelis who invade Palestinian land, break one after another U.N. resolution, refuse to respect the previously made boarders that outline Palestiine, restrict the freedom of movement of Palestinians, and limit the electric and water supply of Palestine. VP Joe Biden has said it himself, repeatedly. Now, according to you and your butties, Amnesty International, the U.N., HAARETZ, CNN, and now Joe Biden are pushing 'propaganda'? I guess you and the rest of your butties have more knowledge and resources than thos that we get info from, huh?
LMAOLMAOLMAO:))

Filipe   May 6th, 2009 1:12 pm ET

CS,

I surmised as much. When I ask you for a simple explanation or clarification to your comments you fail to respond with any answers. Your only response is some type of name calling.

Why do you insist on disseminating unsupported propaganda?? Because it feeds your ego?

I've asked a couple of times for you to clarify your statements--but you've only ignored the questions. It appears you realize there are no acceptable answers you can give.

john wayne   May 6th, 2009 1:16 pm ET

CS

You ignore hundreds of years of Arab massacres against Jews, you ignore the open help by the Arab leaders to Hitler, you ignore that the PLO was founded before 1967, you ignore any fact that does not fit your and Abdul Hamid's (aka professor) agenda

LMAO! LMAO! LMAO! LMAO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You guys are pitiful. HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

john wayne   May 6th, 2009 1:29 pm ET

"They have also suggested that a Palestinian state should be fragmented into various zones. "

B*llsh*it

never happened, ask Dennis Ross or read his book. He WAS present at Camp David, you were not

LMAO! LMAO! LMAO! LMAO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You guys are pitiful. HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Filipe   May 6th, 2009 1:31 pm ET

John A.

Could you please post a link to this UN report which finds Israel guilty of war crimes. I've read several news reports which refer to this UN report but none cite links or quotes from the report and none of the media reports use any such terms as "guilty of war crimes". They do however claim Israel to be at fault in some instances of destruction of UN property. They also claim Hamas to be at fault for the destruction of UN property.

Please post a link to the report you read-- so we all can see how the UN has found Israel guilty of war crimes!!!

To your other point- the two state solution was given to the Arab population of Palestine in 1947--not by Israel-by the UN And UK. They chose not to accept it and Israel said OK!!! So how do you make this out to Israels' fault that there is no Arab state? Israel had nothing to do with the Arab decision try to take all of the land offered under British Mandate Palestine.

john wayne   May 6th, 2009 1:35 pm ET

CS:

"refuse to respect the previously made boarders that outline Palestiine"

Oh yeah? What borders? Ever heard of the Rhodes Ceasefire Agreements? You are so great with Google, why don't you read them and tell everybody what they say about "borders"

Your ignorance is showing again, yours and Abdul Hamid's (aka professor) your boss

LMAO! LMAO! LMAO! LMAO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You guys are pitiful. HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Bill   May 6th, 2009 1:55 pm ET

CS -

No facts as usual. Your credibility remains zero. Palestine was never a country. It doesn't have defined borders. I have no objection to Israel creating settlements on its own land despite the unfounded and unproven claims of the terrorist Palestinians. If the Palestinians have a valid claim to the land, let them stop the terrorism and take their claim to court, wouldn't that be the right thing to do? But we all know better, don't we? It's not really about the land. That's just an excuse for Arab/Muslim violence and hatred against Jews and Christians.

Bill   May 6th, 2009 2:09 pm ET

John A-

When have Israel's Arab neighbors suffered in silence? They have repeatedly attacked Israel. History is filled with the Arab/Muslim attacks and subsequent defeats.

Israel still holds the land it reclaimed in the 1968 war. The US still holds the land it won in the Revolutionary War. Do you expect the US to give back the colonies? Are English terrorist blowing themselves up in crowded marketplaces? Are British "freedom fighters" shooting rockets and mortars at American civilians? No?

John A   May 6th, 2009 3:43 pm ET

Bill wrote:
Israel still holds the land it reclaimed in the 1968 war. The US still holds the land it won in the Revolutionary War. Do you expect the US to give back the colonies? Are English terrorist blowing themselves up in crowded marketplaces? Are British “freedom fighters” shooting rockets and mortars at American civilians? No?
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Its too easy to blow away any Zionist argument.

First they tell you Jews practiced their religion in this region over 2000 years ago. And so they justify the creation of Israel, by turning back the clock 2000 years. (even though the Jews have always been a minority in the region. King David captured a city and renamed it Jerusalem, so they didn't even create this city)

Then people like Bill will say we cant turn the clock back 41 years and expect Israel to return to their official borders.
So we can turn the clock back 2000 years for the Jews but we cant turn the clock back 41 years for the Arabs.
P:S: Do you Zionist have nothing better to do than fill this blog with total BS?

Filipe   May 6th, 2009 5:39 pm ET

John A"

I agree-- why turn the clock back? That's foolish! We don't live in the past. We live in the present. We need only move forward from here. The two parties in the conflict need work out their differences through a negotiated settlement, just as all of the UN resolutions and previous agreements such as the Rhodes agreement, the Oslo Accords, Camp David, Jericho agreement etc. have provided for. The State of Israel and the Palestinian Authority are the only parties which need to be involved-- they need to agree--no one else-- no one else can force anything upon them that will result in a lasting peace. The result must come from them. The rest of the world needs to stay out out of it !!!!

university rector   May 6th, 2009 7:00 pm ET

John A

You make no sense whatsoever

do you antisemitic Israel haters have nothing better to do than fill this blog with Hamas propaganda?

Ask Abdul Hamid (aka professor) how we "Zionists" blew him out of the water

Filipe   May 6th, 2009 8:06 pm ET

John A May 6th, 2009 909 GMT

p.s. did you read the UN report yesterday, which found Israel guilty of war crimes and the state backed murder of Palestinians last December

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John,

Are you having difficulties coming up with the links to that UN report you read???

I'm real interested in what was said with respect to " Israel guilty of war crimes and the state backed murder of Palestinians" !!!

Or is this something you overheard in a conversation somewhere??

Barry   May 7th, 2009 1:30 am ET

John Hole -

It's odd that you cite Bill's comment:

Israel still holds the land it reclaimed in the 1968 war. The US still holds the land it won in the Revolutionary War. Do you expect the US to give back the colonies? Are English terrorist blowing themselves up in crowded marketplaces? Are British “freedom fighters” shooting rockets and mortars at American civilians? No?

But your post doesn't refute anything he says. Why should Israel give its own land back to the people who have tried repeatedly to exterminate them? They tried that experiment in Gaza and look what it got them.

If you don't expect the US to give back the original 13 colonies, why should Israel need to give back land it reclaimed from the people who have repeatedly tried to kill them?

John A   May 7th, 2009 9:10 am ET

It seems Barry, university rector and John Wayne make a series of comments with no content, common sense or logic and then they challenge everyone to prove them wrong.

To answer Barry who lacks the necessary mental faculties to make any sense what so ever, I answer your question. After the American war of independence Britain surrendered and agreed to grant sovereignty of the colonies to America. Palestine and the world community under UN resolutions have never agreed to grant the occupied territories to Israel. Therefor peace will only be achieved when Israel agrees to end the occupation.

For Filipe the link you request can be found all over the world press, with the exception of Fox news and the Israeli press naturally. Here's one link (but there are many more if you really want to search for the truth) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8036054.stm

Please note The UN board's first recommendation calls on Israel to acknowledge that it made "untrue public statements" by alleging Palestinians had fired from UN properties which were hit by Israeli fire during the Gaza conflict.

Perhaps Barry, university rector and John Wayne could also acknowledge they make untrue public statements? Or perhaps we should arrange donations so they can get the therapy they so desperately need?

Filipe   May 7th, 2009 12:54 pm ET

John A,

So are you acknowledging that you made untrue public statements on your previous post--" p.s. did you read the UN report yesterday, which found Israel guilty of war crimes and the state backed murder of Palestinians last December." ????

Thanks for posting the link for clarification.!!!!! No we can all see the truth about the article and how you attempt to misrepresent the content.

In fact per your posted article--"In a covering letter with the report summary, Mr Ban said he did not plan to hold a further inquiry in line with his investigators' recommendation that allegations of war crimes committed by both sides should be reviewed by an "impartial" body."-Mr. Ban Ki Moon–""It is not my intention to establish any further inquiry."

Why do you suppose this is???

Thanks for posting the link for clarification.!!!!! Now we can all see the truth about the article and how you attempt to misrepresent the content.

What purpose do you attempt accomplish through the manufacture of erroneous claims?? The only thing succeed at is showing the rest of us you cannot be trusted to be forthright and honest in your posts.

John A   May 7th, 2009 2:43 pm ET

Filipe you obviously support the Israeli army dropping bombs on children. The report refers to war crimes and war crimes refer to illegitimate killings. Illegitimate killings is murder, and the murder refers to Israels army.

Filipe you do not use the English spelling of the name, so maybe the problem is that you don't understand the English language.

You should also note that the last time a UN leader suggested the prosecution of Israel for cold blooded murder, America requested the removal of that leader. Are you seeing the pattern Filipe. Israel murders and America prevents an enquiry. Which is why America is being attack by terrorists and for the same reason the world community has lost sympathy with America and Israel.

Filipe you are clearly on the losing side of history. Their will be a two state solution and the land Israel has brutally occupied will eventually turn into a Palestinian state. The world is against you, if you don't believe me try reading the world press. You can read right?

John A   May 7th, 2009 2:53 pm ET

Bill writes : When have Israel’s Arab neighbors suffered in silence?

So you agree they have suffered at the brutal hands of Israel. Your only problem is they don't suffer silently or go away.

You should know the truth never goes away, no matter how much propaganda you spin. With 40 years since the creation of Israel the truth still has not gone away. The problems continue and the Zionist apartheid rumbles on. But all falsehoods crumble in the end and it's only a matter of time before the Zionist lie implodes on Israel.

Hopefully less radicle Jews will win a path of compromise, before Israel commits more war crimes.

university rector   May 7th, 2009 5:42 pm ET

John A

Name one untrue statement?

university rector   May 7th, 2009 6:23 pm ET

With 40 years since the creation of Israel the truth still has not gone away

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John A

your total ignorance is showing

you do not have the foggiest idea

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

university rector   May 7th, 2009 6:32 pm ET

"Israel murders "

What do you call the following? Freedom fighters?

21 people were killed and 120 were wounded when a suicide bomber blew himself up outside a disco near Tel Aviv's Dolphinarium along the seafront promenade just before midnight on Friday, June 1. The terrorist mingled with a large group of teenagers, who were standing in line to enter the disco. While still in line, he detonated the explosives strapped to his body. The explosive charge contained a large number of metal objects – including balls and screws – designed to increase the extent of injuries.

The Passover massacre(also known as the Netanya Bombing or the Park Hotel Passover attack) was a suicide bombing carried out by Hamas[2] at the Park Hotel in Netanya, Israel on March 27, 2002, during a Passover seder. Thirty Israeli civilians were killed in the attack and 140 were injured

Today's events began when two soldiers, on their way back to their army
base in or near Beit El after a short furlough from their reserves duty,
were brutally lynched by a wild mob of Arabs.
Palestinian sources falsely reported that they were undercover agents.

The Israelis entered the city by mistake, and were detained by the Palestinian police.
After they were brought to the police station in central Ramallah,
a crowd of between 1,000 and 2,000 Arabs broke into the building,
overcame the police, and murderously beat and killed the Israelis.
Some of the Palestinian police took part in the lynch.

The body of one of the Israelis was dragged around
the city chained to a car. Television pictures show Arabs
in the window of the station, alternately beating and stabbing
someone inside and gleefully making a V sign out the window;

The soldiers were viciously beaten all over their bodies. Military
officials who handled the bodies told Arutz-7 that they were "deliberately
tortured and abused... The bodies were mutilated and torn to
pieces. There was great difficulty in recognizing them..."

John A   May 7th, 2009 8:14 pm ET

University Rector, you ask me to name one untrue statement. But you have not made a statement; you have only called me ignorant. This is a blog not a battlefield, but the Zionists are not famous for seeking peace.

You then go on to cry about Israeli’s who have been attacked by Arabs. Yes violence is sad, but have you ever heard of a brutal occupying army being kissed by the people they suppress.

The Israeli life has been lost due to Israeli government policy which aims to ethnically cleanse the natural born inhabitants from the area. Nobody is ethnically cleansed without resistance. Even a handful of Jews tried to stand up against Hitler. Mussolini was also lynched, are you going to cry about that to?

If Zionist policy is to aggressively evict Palestinians’ from the homes they were born in, naturally Israel will find itself locked in a vicious circle of an eye for an eye. Give all a chance to live and the bloodshed will end. The current Israeli president won’t even recognise the idea of a Palestinian state. He won’t allow them a place of their own and doesn’t want them to live in Israel. So what else can he do accept ethnically cleanse the people from the region.

Filipe   May 7th, 2009 8:37 pm ET

John A,

I support the truth and the facts-– something you have no concept of. If you make an accusation, there should be proof.

I don't support the killing of innocents. You are obviously mistaken in assumptions.

It's quite amusing that you can't provide any substantive response when I question your posts.

All you can come up with is lame excuse that maybe I don't understand because I don't speak the language! You are a real gem !

As a typical US citizen-– you really believe you are all that powerful!-To have the ability to thwart the world from carrying out investigations of crimes against humanity and war crimes!! Give me a break !!!! The US is a NOBODY in the eyes of most of the world today !!!!!

Go tell someone else how great and powerful you are!

Do tell-- what UN leader was removed from power at the request of the US???

I'm really sorry you don't understand my position at all-- why is it you think that I do not support a two state solution to the Arab/Israeli conflict??? Where did you get that from???

I'm not sure why you insist that I don't support the UN report-– I do. I fully support it for what it is and what it says. But I don't try to make into something that it is not. I don't claim to embellish it and interpret it to suit my own agenda. It is what it is-– it's that simple!

John A   May 7th, 2009 11:41 pm ET

Filipe your last comment was totally about me and nothing to do with the Middle East crises.

Another typical Israel lobby strategy: Divert attention from the truth by trying to start an argument and throw in a few false statements for good measure.

Let’s make it simple for you Filipe
You say you don’t support the killing of innocent. Does that actually mean you will finally accept over 1300 unarmed people including children were killed by the Israeli army last December.

Turning a blind eye to a crime and covering up a crime is compliance with a crime.

So in your opinion did the Israeli army kill an unreasonable amount of innocent people? You can post a yes or a no. Or you can go back to talking about me. But the truth is still there and you won’t stop people finding it!

John A   May 7th, 2009 11:48 pm ET

Filipe
Almost forgot your statement about me being an American.
True to your nature, you are wrong again and make a false claim without any knowledge of my nationality.

Unlike you I have no problem with Americans. They are just like everybody else, sometime right sometimes wrong.

Oh sorry, Israel is never wrong! To think they could commit a crime is purely anti-Semitic I suppose.

John A   May 8th, 2009 12:02 am ET

Oh one other thing Filipe, America requested removal of a UN leader. You ask which leader? But it is also mentioned at the bottom of the report you claim to have read. You did read it? Or do you just hope no visitor to this blog will become interested in the truth.
So why do you dislike Americans Filipe. Why do you dislike Arabs? How many other nationalities have you decided to dislike. Is that the Godly way of a Zionist? Or is it the result of “Too much promised land” brain washing?

Barry   May 8th, 2009 2:34 am ET

John

Your grand leaps of illogic and farcical assumptions make your posts seem quite ridiculous. Because Bill said that the Arabs/Muslims never suffer in silence because they constantly attack Israeli civilians, you conclude that he agrees that the Palestinians are suffering at the hands of the Israelis. What a moron! The Palestinians are suffering because of the Palestinians. They do this to themselves repeatedly. Israel is defending its civilians from the terrorist Palestinians.

You make similar illogical claims with Filipe's posts, claiming that he supports the killing of innocents. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The people that support the killing of innocents are clearly the Palestinians.

Israel reclaimed Gaza in 1968 when Arab/Muslim armies tried to eradicate the Jews again and were defeated again. Since Egypt wouldn't take them back, Israel eventually fell for the "land for peace scam" and gave Gaza back to the Palestinians. The Palestinians promptly turned Gaza into a terrorist encampment. They used Gaza to launch more than 11000 rockets and mortars at Israeli civilians. They elected an Islamic terrorist government whose charter calls for the destruction of Israel without any possibility for negotiations. Hamas won with around 87% of the vote. The Palestinian mandate was clear – destruction of Israel at any cost. They could have built a great economy and put the Palestinians to work instead of being on welfare for the last 60 years. They chose instead to dig up the sewer pipes to make Kassam rockets to fire at Israeli civilians. The Palestinian's elected Islamic terrorist government of Hamas raped the land and used their own civilians as cannon fodder while they hid underground and in hospitals. Hamas went out of their way to maximize Palestinian civilian casualties by firing from schools, mosques, near hospitals, and in crowded urban areas – all war crimes by the way. You apparently don't understand what war crimes are. Read the Geneva conventions. You might not sound as foolish afterwards, but I doubt it.

Most of the people killed during Operation Cast Lead were Hamas militants. Most of the rest were killed as the direct result of Hamas war crimes. There was one incident where Israel admitted that it killed 22 family members in a house that was mistakenly hit. It was right next door to a bomb making factory. Israel admitted this mistake, but this mistake doesn't qualify as a war crime. If Israel intended to kill those civilians then it would be a war crime. That's just not the case.

Israel worked much harder to avoid the deaths of noncombatants than Hamas did. Actually Hamas worked hard to maximize the number of noncombatants killed in the hopes of rallying the support of other Muslim terrorist groups. Life means nothing to these people.

Because of their unbridled disrespect for life and truth and their quest to kill all Jews, I have a hard time being sympathetic to the Palestinian terrorist cause. Israel got the land while the Arab/Muslim armies were trying to eradicate them again, they tried to give the land back, and Egypt and Jordan wouldn't take it. I have a hard time considering the Israeli's occupiers of that land under these conditions. I look at the problem more like Israel has a continuing Islamic terrorist problem in its country, mostly with the Palestinian terrorists.

John A   May 8th, 2009 8:44 am ET

Barry, thanks for coming back to the blog! Everyone who reads your words will soon realize how dumb it is to support Zionists.

You make a classic comment about Israel trying to avoid civilian deaths. Israel plans a heavy bombardment for one month. They bomb an area which is one of the most densely populated areas in the world. And you think they never hurt any innocent or even thought they would kill many innocent. Keep going Barry, you expose the madness of Zionism better than anyone else!

Filipe   May 8th, 2009 1:25 pm ET

JohnA,

The actual number of casualties differs depending on who you speak to. I certainly don't accept "your" number. I do and will accept the final agreed to number by the international community-–whatever that turns out to be. Let me be clear-–I will always agree with the facts! Never will I agree with rumors or allegations. Once the facts are proven-– I will agree-- it's quite simple. So- let the truth be found!! But your dissemination of propaganda does nothing in the way of supporting the finding of truth.

By the way -– refusing to vote for a reappointment as Secretary General to the UN is quite different than "America requested the removal of that leader"-– but then, as usual, it's your misrepresentation of what has actually occurred. You know-– like--"the UN has convicted Israel of war crimes". !!!!

So, once again-- America demanded the removal of what UN leader??

As far as Americans go--I don't hate Americans-– I totally dislike their foreign policies and the their viewpoint of world superiority-- which most typical Americans I meet in business or as tourists do not adhere to. But the typical spouting of nonsense on this blog exemplifies the US bureaucratic views which influence world opinion about Americans. So-for what it's worth-- I don't hate Americans. Additionally, I live in a community filled with Muslim immigrants from the ME and North Africa-Arabs-–we frequent the same coffee shops, so you are wrong once again. I live comfortably with my neighbors, some have been here for generations, some are new immigrants. But none of them spew the hatred that is typical of those embroiled in the Arab Israeli conflict. In fact, the locals make strides to distance themselves from such violence and conflict-– they know it's not right.

John A   May 22nd, 2009 7:09 pm ET

Filipe says: "The actual number of casualties differs depending on who you speak to"

You’re right. If you speak to a Zionist only 300 terrorists died. If you listen to all other neutral reports in the media, over 1300 died.

As none of us were in Gaza at the time, we can't present you with the bodies. But we can listen to the mass majority of independent reports.
So please stop asking for proof, when it is all around you.

By the way you have never proven any of your radical propaganda; we only have the word of Filipe. It’s time to grow up Filipe!

Nyanna   June 26th, 2011 7:10 pm ET

Superbly illuimnatnig data here, thanks!


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