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January 18, 2009
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JERUSALEM (CNN) – Palestinian militants agreed Sunday to a one-week cease-fire against Israel, Hamas spokesman Ayman Taha said.

The Hamas announcement came hours after Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert announced a unilateral cease-fire in the country's assault on Hamas in Gaza.

"We in the Palestinian resistance movements announce a cease-fire in the Gaza Strip," Moussa Abu Marzouk, a senior Hamas official in Syria, said on Syrian TV. "And we demand that Israeli forces withdraw in one week and that they open all the border crossings to permit the entry of humanitarian aid and basic goods for our people in Gaza."

The agreement covers all Palestinian armed factions, not only Hamas, said CNN Jerusalem correspondent Paula Hancocks.

The two sides had continued to skirmish for several hours after Israel said it was stopping its 22-day offensive against Hamas. More than 1,200 people died in the fighting, all but 13 of them Palestinians.

Olmert said Sunday the Israeli offensive had achieved its goals but that the Israel Defense Forces reserved the right to respond to any Palestinian violence against Israelis.

"IDF forces are in the Gaza Strip and many other units, which are surrounding Gaza, from all sides, are closely observing every corner and listening to every whisper, ready for any response that they might receive from their commanders if and when the violations continue, as they have this morning," he said at the start of the weekly Cabinet meeting, before the announcement of the Palestinian cease-fire.

Israel pulled some troops out of the Palestinian territory as it called a halt to its operation against Hamas, but others remain.

Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev told CNN they would be there for a matter of days, not weeks.

Earlier Sunday, militants fired 16 rockets into southern Israel and exchanged gunfire with troops in northern Gaza, an Israeli spokesman said.

The Qassam rockets were fired into Sderot at 9 a.m. - seven hours after Israel's cease-fire went into effect. The rockets injured one person, and Israeli aircraft destroyed the rocket launcher soon afterward, an Israeli military spokesman said.

An hour or two before the rocket attacks, Palestinian gunmen opened fire on Israeli forces in northern Gaza, the Israeli military said. Troops returned fire.

"If Hamas chooses to still launch rockets, we'll answer back and we'll answer back harsh," said Avital Leibovich, spokeswoman for the Israel Defense Forces Sunday. "It's really up to Hamas. Hamas will be accountable for any launching and every terror activity from the Gaza strip."

Israel also announced Sunday it would open an emergency treatment center at the Erez crossing point from Israel to Gaza for civilians who have been injured in the fighting. It will be "fully equipped and staffed" and Palestinians requiring more involved treatment will be sent to hospitals in Israel, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in a statement.

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Joan   January 18th, 2009 3:52 pm ET

Finally, some common sense on both sides. I hope it will last forever.

mackawee   January 18th, 2009 3:53 pm ET

Only if there is a fair,honest and strong player who favoers no sides.
Commen sense leads to suggest that peace is the only garuntee. The longer it takes to commit to assist in breaking a peace deal them the less chance for it to fail. There is no trust between the partners and they have right to feel so. 8 years under the Bush adminstration made it harder to unite factions. Bush has policies yet diplomecy is needed. As long as the USA stays favoring Israel there will be no peace agreed by all factions. Everything can be achieved. Yet justice has to be brought to the victum not to the agressor

Pat   January 18th, 2009 3:55 pm ET

Wouldn't it be great? But I doubt it's going to happen. There's too much hatred and many look backward rather than forward. The fight stems from history whereas the effort should be placed for a balanced and properous future

Pat   January 18th, 2009 3:56 pm ET

You can't just say one is the aggressor and one is the victim. That is much too black and white. There are victims on both sides

Joan   January 18th, 2009 3:58 pm ET

'As long as the USA stays favoring Israel there will be no peace agreed by all factions'???

Why do insist on making everything dependent upon the US ? Why not allow Gaza to take responsibility for its own acctions and its own relationships ? On the one hand, I keep hearing that US interference is resented, then I hear that everything is dependent upon the US. You can't have it both ways.

mackawee   January 18th, 2009 4:03 pm ET

Joan
Well said. Let it be a reminder to us all what war can do, and the best way is to avoid it at the first place. I pray it will last. no excuse ,why shouldn't it last?

mackawee   January 18th, 2009 4:04 pm ET

Pat,
You are right. Thank you. I've misspoke

Pat   January 18th, 2009 4:11 pm ET

entirely agree with you Joan. All people should inform themselves of who they elect and when elected they should take responsibility. It's much too easy to point the finger

Joan   January 18th, 2009 4:24 pm ET

Agreed. Rights come with responsibilities. Those who take responsibility for themselves and respect the rights of others will find that others will respect their rights.

Roscoe   January 18th, 2009 4:29 pm ET

Joan January 18th, 2009 1558 GMT

‘As long as the USA stays favoring Israel there will be no peace agreed by all factions’???

Why do insist on making everything dependent upon the US ? Why not allow Gaza to take responsibility for its own acctions and its own relationships ? On the one hand, I keep hearing that US interference is resented, then I hear that everything is dependent upon the US. You can’t have it both ways.
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I agree! I'm so tired of hearing that nothing can be resolved without the US or nothing can be resolved because of the US! Enough of the old "blame game"!
It's way past time for the Palestinians to stand up and take the responsibility for their own failure to speak with one voice in pursuit of a solution.
It's way past time for the Arab League to accept their responsibility and failure to speak with a single voice in support of a solution to the Arab/Israeli conflict.
The Arabs and the Israelis need to step up to the plate and take the actions needed to bring this conflict to an end- don't wait on someone else to fix it for you because it simply won't happen! But, guaranteed, if someone else steps in and dictates terms and conditions, one of the parties is not going to like the results and will forever be resentful of the outcome!

Pat   January 18th, 2009 4:31 pm ET

Sarcozy promised 29 million euros or dollars for the Palistinians. I wonder who will really get that money. I wonder what will be done with the borders.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 4:33 pm ET

I’ve been reading all these remarks for days now on different blogs and I truely ask myself how a person can support a movement who values death more than life. It’s just stupid to take a side because you have a common culture. I mean as a European I won’t just agree with another european if he supports a terrorist organisation just because we are both European. despite all the historical details, there is substantial documentation from all sides that shows that Hamas uses, encourages and supports using cilvilians to protect their own interests. How can anyone of their ‘own’ people allow this to happen in their name? It is easy for many to call out disproportionate action on the side of Israel. If all arabs think the way most arabs are commenting on these blogs, well then it is arab thinking that is disproportionate. Just a simple written line of wiping a whole state off the map is criminal and then defending it by using historical dates and biblical references. we live in 2009, whatever happened thousands of years ago is frankly of no importance. If people want peace, than prove it. Show responsibility for who they elected and start changing. Make things happen. Use funding for prosperity, modernisation and the future rather than maintaining and encouraging hate. Get your kids educated and teach them values rather than blind followers of a group who want the population to remain ignorant and easy to manipulate. Just get rid of those ideas of annihalating Israel, its not going to happen and find ways to better your lives, and those of your future generations. And a small note for those who say that the press is biased in Israel. To some extent , like all national news, they are but I have yet to see one pro palistinian news reporting allowing any opposing comments from an arab, which you do see on the Israeili news. There are some Israelis, not many, but some who openly say that they are against what israel is doing. But I guess that’s only possible in countries that allow freedom of speech without the fear of being killed by their own people for being a heretic. On Israeli news there are open debates on the issues at hand and they show both perspectives but also the civilian crisis.
This is my view and before any derogatory name calling, I am neither Jew, Musilim or a practicing christian. Just an individual living in Europe.

Thot   January 18th, 2009 4:40 pm ET

Maybe it’ll last for a short period of time, but not for long, as long they don’t get on a territory agreement. That’s still is the big issue on the conflict.
Besides, I wonder, that all these pain and lost Palestinian suffered hasn’t create more resentment over Israel then on Hamas (like Israel wanted to)?
When you lost everything, you have less to loose. I think that is one of the seeds that are explored by terrorists groups.
I hope I'm wrong. I whish peace for the region. Their is enough of suffering their.

Professor   January 18th, 2009 4:43 pm ET

Come on guys.... do you really believe that Israel will change their history now and have a lasting cease-fire?

This is not the first cease-fire that Israel will brake and it will not be the last.

Its the occuation stupid.

benyemen   January 18th, 2009 4:46 pm ET

CNN

PAULA HANCOCKS

1200 PEOPLE DEAD ......ALL BUT 13 PALESTINIANS WHERE DID YOU GET THIS FIGURE FROM? KINDLY AMEND YOUR ERROR!!!!!

PAT

I DISAGREE WITH YOU BUT THERE IS AN AGRESSOR AND ITS THE ZIONISTS AND THE VICTIMS WHOM ARE THE PALESTIANS – WE MUST NAME AN APLLE ......AN APPLE

Professor   January 18th, 2009 4:47 pm ET

Pat,

Threre is one agresssor and one victim in this conflict.... The Zinist agressor and the Palestinian victim.... An occupier killed is not a victim.
If you shoot an armed trespasser onto your property he is not a victim.... you are the victim and you defended your home.

Palestinian got their home raped and their lands stolen not just trespassed on.... Don't try to equate the victim with the agressor here and say there victims on both sides. That is not true.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 4:50 pm ET

Professor I don't agree with you but let's say I did, how about those Israelis living in Ashdod, Ashkelon and other villages in southern Israel.

benyemen   January 18th, 2009 4:52 pm ET

PAT

THE RESISTANCE FORCES DON'T VALUE DEATH MORE THAN LIFE, BUT ARE GIVING THEIR LIVES FOR FREEDOM, AS ALL RESISTORS AROUND THE WORLD DO TO MAKE OCCUPIERS LEAVE THEIR LAND.

OR AS PER PROF.........ITS THE OCCUPATION ..........................STUPID

Pat   January 18th, 2009 4:52 pm ET

Too easy to point Israel as always being the one who doesn't respect cease-fires.

Joan   January 18th, 2009 4:54 pm ET

'it's the occupation stupid'

No, it's 'brains in park' or more accurately, reverse.

Professor   January 18th, 2009 4:54 pm ET

Pat,

They are occupiers....

If you come and steel my land and build a home on it and put your children in it.... You are responsible if I bombed your house and your children got killed not me.... I did not target your children.... I was trying to kick you out of my land.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 4:55 pm ET

do u honestly think that they qualify as a resistance?
Do u really think there are n other ways of achieving a prosperous future and peace? except wiping Israel off the map?

benyemen   January 18th, 2009 4:56 pm ET

PAT

YOU ARE VERY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THE ZIONIST NAMED STATE OF ISRAEL, WE DON'T RECOGNISE SUCH AN ENTITY AND THOSE VILLAGES YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE IN SOUTH PALESTINE.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 4:57 pm ET

deal with the fact that Israel exists. now do something about proving that you are responsibile for your people, their future and their development

Professor   January 18th, 2009 4:57 pm ET

Joan,

You can call it whatever you like....

I am not a Palestinian... I will leave the Palestinian to decide what they want to do....

I just would like to call resistance in its name... and the state terror in its name.... lets not mix up the names here.

Joan   January 18th, 2009 4:57 pm ET

Professor,

Bombinga house to get rid of 'occupiers' is illegal, at least in any civilized country. How do you exoect to get any sympathy that way.

Joan   January 18th, 2009 4:58 pm ET

Professor,

'Violent resistnace' doesn't work and it not a justification for anything.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 4:59 pm ET

Benyemen, you are the proof that Hammas and all such movements want to keep their people ignorant and blind so they don't know the truth that the true enemy lies in their own bed. Whereas starting to teach that there is a future with Israel as a neighbour will harvest many more fruits then hatred and a lifestyle of violence until Israel no longer exists.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 5:00 pm ET

If every society believed the way you do we would be living in total chaos

Joan   January 18th, 2009 5:01 pm ET

Professor,

"State terror'. What is that?

Bill   January 18th, 2009 5:01 pm ET

Israel has won! The Islamic terrorists are defeated, yet again. When will they learn?

Of course, the lying Muslims broke the ceasefire almost immediately after they declared it. That's par for the course for the Muslim liars. Israel responded by taking out another rocket launching squad and sending them to hell to be with their pedophile prophet.

I hope Israel wises up and throws all Palestinians off of Israeli land. The Jews have been on that land for thousands of years. Also, Israel won Gaza and the West Bank from Egypt and Jordan in the 1967 war that the evil Arabs started. So, the Palestinians have no valid claim to the land. Throw them all out and the their Arab "brothers" deal with the Muslim criminals and terrorists. Of course, no Arab country will take them, but that's another story.

Congratulations Israel and the IDF! Down with Islamic terrorism!

Joan   January 18th, 2009 5:03 pm ET

No one has won. Many people are dead and many people are suffering.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 5:10 pm ET

I must be stupid, instead of placing so much energy and emotion into hating Israel, turn that hatred into something profitable. Instead of using all the funds in making a terrorist group stronger, use it to encourage other more humane pursuits. we live in 2009!!! Wiping any country, (accept it Israel is a country) off the map is not going to happen and is a foolish ideology. Israel has a huge military yes and but they also have created intellectual resources, agriculure on arid land. Try to do the same. Stop being the eternal vicitm and start building something productive. I couldn't look at myself in the mirror if I voted for a government that didn't care about the lives of my kids

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 5:12 pm ET

Bill
israel won in killing anunprecedented number of children.
It has not fought; it has destroyed cities.
the number of resistants who were killed is fewer than yours.

your likud party have just said you lost.

CS   January 18th, 2009 5:12 pm ET

Pat. You sound just like every other westerner/American who speaks so casually about this region of the world. Despite be kicked off the land of it's ancestors (1200 years of ownership) these are the things that have taken place:
2006- Israel leaves Gaza (but settlers won't leave the Palestinian land anyway)
2006-today- Israel cuts electricity on a daily basis
2006-today- Israel sets blockades with the successful purpose of stopping food, medical supplies, water, and daily necessities from getting to Palestinian civilians. This results in the unnecessary death of nearly 300 people in the last 6 months alone. deaths that were easily preventable under humane conditions.
June of 2008- Cease fire agreed upon by both sides. Israel breaks cease fire to kill 3 Hamas militants.
November of 2008- Israel breaches cease fire again...this time killing 7 Hamas members.
And this is especially nice...thought you might enjoy this...being a lady, I asume:
A Palestinian woman tries to board a flight by wich she is stopped by Israeli security forces. They strip search her, cavity search her, and find nothing. Nothing but the sanitary napkin inside her, as she is on her monthly period. They allowed her to board, only after removing her hygeneproduct, and confescating the ones she had in her bag. She was forced to walk around dripping, bloody, soiled.

Now I don't know how holier than thou YOU are...but these types of opression JUUUSSSTTT might create a little animosity. The Irish were once treated this way by the English. They were eventually liberated, by whatever means. The same happened to many others in the past. The perveyors of the Boston tea party were called "terrorists" by some, and "Heroes" by others. I could point out hypocrytical comparisons all day. You, and people like you, probably are well aware of these types of events, but either of two things happen:
1. You are so brainwashed by the TV, that you look at things just the way they tell you to, without deciphering the B/S, and making your own conclusion.
2. You are a racist who thinks that only SOME are entitled to fair treatment. To folk like you, only SOME, are subject to the rules. Others are above the law. The U.S. and Israel can go around bombing countries from a far like cowards, but if another country did such things, it would be an act of terror, thus, grounnds for full out war.
Unbelieveable how biggoted people are. You should truely be ashamed of yourself for judging these people, without being in their shoes, or at least exhibiting some sort of empathy.

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 5:14 pm ET

pat
we send money to the UNRWA TO BUILD SCHOOLS AND YOU DESTRY THEM WITH THE KIDS IN.

Professor   January 18th, 2009 5:16 pm ET

Pat,

Is it not part of your responsibiity to defend your people and their property?

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 5:17 pm ET

???????
WHAT ARE THE OBJECTIVES REACHED?
YOU SAID YOU WON.

Joan   January 18th, 2009 5:19 pm ET

benyemen,

sounds more like 'brains in reverse' to me.

Libra   January 18th, 2009 5:19 pm ET

More people are disgusted with Israel today than ever before. Is that one objective reached?

benyemen   January 18th, 2009 5:21 pm ET

PAT

I RESPECT YOUR VIEW BUT I DON'T AGREE WITH IT FOR MANY REASONS,

YOU CANNOT IMPOSE OTHER PEOPLE ON ANOTHER PEOPLE LAND AND SAY ITS FACT ACCEPT IT.

IF THE ARABS WERE IMPOSED ON YOU (WHATEVER COUNTRY YOU ARE EVEN IF YOU ARE WHAT YOU CALL ISRAEL) AND THESE ARABS ARE DOING WHAT ISRAEL IS DOING TO PALESTINIANS NOW) WILL YOU ACCEPT THAT? ANSWER ME HONESTLY

Pat   January 18th, 2009 5:22 pm ET

Just concentrate on the present and future. if everyone used the past then there wouldn't be peace anywhere. It took a lot of work and trust after the second world war for Austria and germany not be viewed as Nazis anymore. Yes there were different dynamics but every situation has different dynamics. I haven't been brainwashed just becasue I don't hold the same opinion as you. The Irish-Enngland is a stupid example. None of the parties had the main objective to wipe the other's existence. You talk endlessly about the Pal. casualities. Nothing is being said about the 8 years of random attacks on S. Israel. The comparison of how many are dad on each side is also a stupid thing to do. Living under the fear of attacks is just as terrible. Kids finding it normal to hear sirens and alerts. I am not udging the Palistinians. I am judging those groups like the Hammas keeping their 'own' people blind. Look in your own backyard. What did hammas people do to Palistinians who didn't agree with them? Write down more gibberish about the resistance, about how there was no other way and how Israel has no right to be there. You were born in the wrong century buddy

Joan   January 18th, 2009 5:23 pm ET

Pat,

I agree with you. It's too bad that some people cannot see that those who succeed are those who use resources for building rather than destroying.

Professor   January 18th, 2009 5:23 pm ET

Pat,

I am not going to tell the Palestinians who to vote for or what to do with their life.... they are smart people more educated then most Israelis....

The issue i am talking about is to call everything in its name... An occupation is an occupation.... land stealing and land grabbing.... A racist nation is a racist nation.... that built a racist wall to keep the Palestinians in large prison..... Stop the denial.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 5:25 pm ET

CS I have no reason to be ashamed. I go to bed every night knowing that no one will use my kids to defend their political and hate aspirations. That every one has the right to exist.

benyemen   January 18th, 2009 5:26 pm ET

JOAN

BRAINS IN REVERSE BUT STILL IN OUR LAND, SO ONE DAY WE MAY WAKE AND CHANGE THE GEAR

Professor   January 18th, 2009 5:26 pm ET

Joan,

You can agree with Pat all what you want.... the facts remains the same.... A racist nation.... stealing someone else's land.... And that will not be tolerated and you cannot call resistors of an occupation terrorist.... Your leaders are the terrorist of Haganah, Irgun and the Stern gangs who brought this onto you.... You children will never see peace until Palestinias have their peace.

Its the occupation stupid.

CS   January 18th, 2009 5:28 pm ET

Benymen. I understand your frustration, but things have progressed too far for that. Aside from the fact that it is INSANE to be talking about killing a whole race of people. They DO have the right to exist, as God created them, and you , and I, and the almighty makes no mistakes in who he creates, and needs make no explanation for it. I DO believe that, geographically speaking, Israel should be in esat Germany somewhere, as Germany perpetrated the events of the Holocaust...not Palestine. Here nor there...we are still here and now, and things are what they are, so we must figure out a way to live in relative peace. Palestinians being opressed, vs Israeli's being bombed (suicide or otherwise), will just continue this silly thing for ever and ever. And I don't know about you, but I would want a promising future for my children, grandchildren, and thus, and so. I would not want to know that the only thing that lies in their future is the stagnation of just living day to day, trying to kill, or waiting to be killed. I want more. God wants more for us. More for Christian, Musilim, and Jew alike. I have to believe that.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 5:29 pm ET

Every side has come up with reasons why it is their land and why it is not the others. What I see, neither side is leaving so accept that. DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE!!!!!

CS   January 18th, 2009 5:29 pm ET

Beneymen. Just ignore the ignorant. He'll go away. Just like a child who throws a tantrum.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 5:32 pm ET

Professor your title implies intelligence yet you call Israelis racists yet look at the staements that have been made by most of you arab friends. Destroying Jews, doesn not that entail racism? Maybe the schoold here in Europe mislead us. racism only pertains when it is stated against Arabs? I guess the term racism is a selective??

jim   January 18th, 2009 5:34 pm ET

what resolutions are you talking about niels? resolutions 362 and 181 that calls for israel to return palestinian land and withdrawl to the 67 borders? you know about 67 dont you.. the war israel started. the resolutions that the isralis agreed they would abid by when they signed the camp david treaty and began taking 3 billion a year from the u.s.a.
iraq didnt exist before ww1? your right iraq was created by outside forces just like israel. i dont see your point other than to support a terrorist regine like israel.
these crazy jews have reverted to the same tactics used upon them by nazi germany and yet they still want to play the victim. if only the american people had a media that really was non-bias i think most people would be truely outraged that our government supports israel. gaza is one large prison camp. no imports are allowed unless israel allows them to pass. this power alone holds pales hostage. use this along with collecting taxes from the occupied people and withholding its dispersement at your pleasure. taxes that by u.n. mandate are illegal. taxes that pay for government, medicine , hospitals and infrastructure. about 75 million a month israel steals directly from the palestinian people. routine embargos of food, medicine, fuel, electricity, water not to mention all the other imports. political assasinations, and now collective punishment of an entire people and you are surprised and infuriated that palestinians fire homemade rockets into israe. what kind of heartless animal are you? i dont know you niels are any other of the people that post pro-israli comments on this chat. but i dare say only the weak, cowards would choose not to fight back, if posed with the same conditons palestinians are living with every day for the last 42 years. and i would not be proud to claim these type of people as americans.

Joan   January 18th, 2009 5:36 pm ET

Professor,

'you cannot call resistors of an occupation terrorist' ??

Why not , what would you call them ?. Where is there an international law that says violent resistance is legit? You keep saying it is, but you haven't found me anything to legitimize it?

Libra   January 18th, 2009 5:36 pm ET

You people don't know how to ignore. You know how to destruct. That's your speciality.

CS   January 18th, 2009 5:37 pm ET

And Pat. For the last 8 years the Israelis were encroaching on the little space that the U.N. left them in 1948.
And as for the #'s of dead being compared being stupid....You make silly comments. You know damned well that if it was the other way around, you and all the other supporters of terror (Israel), would be whining about it.
And you said something about free speach earlier...This is exactly what I mean about being brainwashed. We, in America have the Patriot act. For whatever the Govt wants, they can come in your home, take you to a prison camp, and label you a terrorist. It did happen to a Canadian gent who had nothing to do with anything at all. If you say certain things on the phone, you're automatically tapped. If you say certain things as a media person, you're fired, and blacklisted. If you show pictures of the dead in Iraq, worse. If you say something CNN doesn't like, or want others to know, they censor your post. Very naive of you to think this way.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 5:38 pm ET

Professor saying that the Palsitinians are more educated than israelis is ludicrous. There are certainly well educated people on both sides. Telling them who to vote for is of course wrong but then they must take the consequences. And one must not forget the manner in which these democratic elections took place. Some would say it was a bloody coup. Therefore, maybe many palistinians behind all that hatred that is being fed all day long, are just people afraid to say anything against this 'democratically elected gov't? Just perhaps?

Israeli   January 18th, 2009 5:40 pm ET

prof

just want to be clear: does the occupation include places like Ness Ziona (a small town that started out as land BOUGHT by organizations like KAkal who then gave it ot jewish settelers) or places like kibutz Kineret (that started out as a DESOLATE malaria infested swamp land that the jewish settelers dried up and developed agriculture there)? you wern'tclear on that :)

PS I am against the atack on Gaza

Professor   January 18th, 2009 5:40 pm ET

Pat,

I am sure the anger on this website that you see is targeting the zioinst Israeli occupiers... so that is not racism.

If there are some racists amongst us here who wants all Jews dead that is their problem and I will call them racist too.

If the Arabs were the one who occupied Palestine and kicked the jews out of it you will see me standing with the jews against the Arabs. Unlike you who want to give your blind support to a racist occupier.

Moss   January 18th, 2009 5:41 pm ET

Bombs are "more precious" than children:
Hamas children's education
by Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook, Jan. 11, 2009

IMAGINE A MUSIC VIDEO teaching kids that bombs are more precious than children. This is not fantasy – this is the message of an actual Hamas TV music video. After a five-year-old finds out that her mother wore a bomb belt to a suicide terror attack, she sings: "Now I know what was more precious than us." She then swears to follow in her mother's footsteps, as a suicide bomber.
This is just one example of the wide range of hateful and abusive messages on Hamas TV, designed to indoctrinate children to Hamas values. Children are taught to value violence, hatred and Islamic supremacy, and that seeking Martyrdom for Allah is the highest value, bringing "honor and glory."
PMW has created a five-minute compilation of key representative segments from Hamas TV that document this indoctrination of children.
In addition to the video featuring the daughter of a suicide bomber, this collection includes a music video depicting a boy's transition from childhood to adulthood, climaxing in his heroic Martyrdom death; a puppet show promising world Islamic supremacy, death of infidels and the conversion of the White House into a mosque; and a talk show segment featuring kindergarten kids marching in military formation, brandishing weapons and calling for Jihad and Martyrdom.
Also included are statements by Hillary Clinton from her news conference with PMW in the US Senate, where she criticized Palestinian schoolbooks and television that "profoundly poison the minds of these children."

http://www.pmw.org.il/Bulletins_Jan2009.htm#b130109

Steve G   January 18th, 2009 5:41 pm ET

When Hamas found its only supporters were Osama bin Laden and the ayran nation, they stopped firing.

Either that or they ran out of Gazans to become unwilling 'martyrs'.

CS   January 18th, 2009 5:43 pm ET

Joan. "Violent resistance" is used by the U.S./Israel/GB every day. They do things that are against intl law, break U.N. charters every day. Nothing is said to them about "Violent resistance" I guess it only applies to countries with brown skinned people huh?

Professor   January 18th, 2009 5:43 pm ET

Pat,

I am certainly not afraid of saying anything against any government.... as long as I am saying the truth and sticking by it.

Governments are there to serve the people who elected them and not to abuse them and abuse their human rights.

Professor   January 18th, 2009 5:47 pm ET

Pat,

tell me honestly would you support an investigation of the alleged war crimes against the Israeli Occupying Forces and to send any guilty party to International Criminal Court?

benyemen   January 18th, 2009 5:47 pm ET

PAT

STILL YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION DIRECTLY, YOU TRIED BUT FOR ME ITS NOT A DIRECT & HONEST REPLY, SO TRY AGAIN

Pat   January 18th, 2009 5:47 pm ET

The bias of western thought...well I think our societies both here in Europe and in North America, with all our faults, are still an example that different people with different cultures and religions can live peacefully. And we do to some extent have a right to say what we think and also judge what others do in other parts of the world as we all live this planet. It is a global village and I for one want to have it safe for everyone!

Libra   January 18th, 2009 5:49 pm ET

What poisons the minds of these children is....................................The occupation, stupid.

CS   January 18th, 2009 5:49 pm ET

Benymen. Now what you're saying is more clear to me. Thank you for clarifying.

You see that, everybody. We origionally differed on a subject, and talked a little bit, and came to an understanding. No name calling. No cursing. No insulting people's intellect.

I'm starting to think people have overactive medulla oblongatta, in this cite. Just want to fight , and argue. Go have sex with your spouses people. Rleive some of that tension.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 5:50 pm ET

"June of 2008- Cease fire agreed upon by both sides. Israel breaks cease fire to kill 3 Hamas militants"
Note the term used here HAMMAS MILITANTS which are recognised in most of the western world as terrorists. And why were they killed? That's right...israel ahs nothing else better to do?
Could it possibly be a response of something the Hammas might have done???? Ofcourse not beacuse they are allowed to do anything right?

Professor   January 18th, 2009 5:53 pm ET

Libra,

good answer....

Keep up the good work.

Its the occupation stupid.

Joan   January 18th, 2009 5:53 pm ET

CS,

That's a very circuitous argument. Are you agreeing that 'violent resistance' is illegal. By the way, I do not and have never supported what Israel's violence.

Moss   January 18th, 2009 5:55 pm ET

From The Times
October 17, 2008
Link between child porn and Muslim terrorists discovered in police raids
Paedophile websites are being used to pass information between terrorists
Richard Kerbaj and Dominic Kennedy

A link between terrorism plots and hardcore child pornography is becoming clear after a string of police raids in Britain and across the Continent, an investigation by The Times has discovered. Images of child abuse have been found during Scotland Yard antiterrorism swoops and in big inquiries in Italy and Spain.
Secret coded messages are being embedded into child pornographic images, and paedophile websites are being exploited as a secure way of passing information between terrorists.
British security services are also aware of the trend and believe that it requires further investigation to improve understanding of terrorists’ methods and mindsets. Concerns within the Metropolitan Police led to a plan to run a pilot research project exploring the nature of the link. One source familiar with the proposal said that this could eventually lead to the training of child welfare experts to identify signs of terrorist involvement as they monitor pornographic sites.
Concerns have already been expressed at Cabinet minister level about the risk of vulnerable Muslim youths being exploited by older men.
Officers have noted that child sex abuse images have been found during investigations into some of the most advanced suspected plots. However, it is understood that the proposed research project was never implemented because the AntiTerrorism Branch was overwhelmed by the sheer number of cases it was having to deal with.
It is not clear whether the terrorists were more interested in the material for personal gratification or were drawn to child porn networks as a secure means of sending messages. In one case fewer than a dozen images were found; in another, 40,000.
British security sources confirmed that such a link had been discovered in several cases. They noted the contradiction between people supposedly devoted to theocracy and Islamic fundamentalism and their use of child pornography. “It shows that these people are very confused,” a source said. “Here they are hating Western decadence but actually making use of it and finding that they enjoy this stuff.”
Baroness Neville-Jones, Conservative security spokeswoman and former chairwoman of the Joint Intelligence Committee, said: “The information about a possible link between extremism and child pornography potentially provides useful insight into three things: the methods that extremists use to communicate; the methods they use to target vulnerable people in society; and the techniques they seek to use to conceal their online activities.” She added: “There is no doubt that these possible linkages should merit further research.”
Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP and chairman of the parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights, said: “This is an important development. We have to do more than just the police work. It needs child protection, criminological and psychological work. It could become a very important weapon in the fight against terrorism.” He urged researchers to review cases where terrorists had been convicted to look for this link.
The first British suspicions of a link between child sex abuse and jihadis emerged in London in 2006 when antiterrorism police in two unrelated investigations were shocked to find computerised images of hardcore child pornography. The key case that tipped off the security services to a plausible link involved the “White-chapel Rapist”, Abdul Makim Khalisadar. A former Mujahidin and a preacher at the East London Mosque, he was being examined for his links to a hardcore Islamic militant who was later convicted of terrorism. Khalisadar was never convicted of terrorist offences. The other investigation involved a young religiously observant Muslim.
The Times has learnt that a criminal investigation also found child pornography on computers after a raid in 2001 at a mosque run by an al-Qaeda recruiter in Milan. Italian police believe that the images were encoded with messages. At a forthcoming terrorism trial in Spain, the alleged mastermind of a Muslim cell has also been accused of downloading hundreds of child sex abuse pictures and videos.
Meanwhile, police uncovered a right-wing terrorist plot when they raided a home after being tipped off about pornographic images. This June, the Nazi sympathiser Martyn Gilleard was jailed for 16 years after being found guilty of terrorism. Police found 39,000 indecent images of children at his flat in Yorkshire.
Invisible ink for the internet age
— Messages may be concealed within digital images and audio, video or other files. The method is called steganography, derived from the Greek for “covered writing”
— Although the average person will not be able to detect the hidden messages by either listening to or viewing a file, the intended recipients can use applications to reverse the steganography process and gain access to the information
— Experts say that the advancement in encryption technology is outpacing the authorities’ abilities to monitor suspected terrorists and paedophiles
— Italian authorities uncovered files of child abuse images that had been manipulated by a terrorist cell after a raid on the Via Quaranta mosque in Milan in November 2001. Investigators claimed that the terrorist cell encoded the images before sending them to each other

Pat   January 18th, 2009 5:56 pm ET

Oh and CS I think I remember that Jewish settlers were physically removed by their own people in Israel when they disengaged...jeez those terrible jews eh? The fact remains that the present and the future needs to be focused on...being productive, prosperous etc
Or would you prefer that your people always remain in this situation

Professor   January 18th, 2009 5:57 pm ET

Pat,

As long as you are fighting for your home and your land.... you would not care if the whole world calls you terrorist.... you know that you are right and no one can stop you. International Law protected your right to resist those who occupied your home.

Its the occupation stupid.

Joan   January 18th, 2009 5:59 pm ET

benyemen,

'BRAINS IN REVERSE BUT STILL IN OUR LAND, SO ONE DAY WE MAY WAKE AND CHANGE THE GEAR' ???

Does that mean you agree to ' brains in reverse', or maybe 'brainwashing'??

Professor   January 18th, 2009 5:59 pm ET

Pat,

What about the settlers still in the West Bank?

Hamas is not fighting for Gaza you know.... Its the Palestinians occupied territories. Wake up Pat.... you think thats it since Israel left Gaza Palestinians should shut up?

benyemen   January 18th, 2009 5:59 pm ET

PAT

CAN YOU DEFINE TERRORIST............AS A WORD AND NOT AS A PLAGUE AS WESTERN,AMERICA AND ISRAEL STICKS TO ANYONE WHO IS AGAINST THEM.

LIKE YASER ARAFAT ....TERRORIST..... THEN YASER ARAFAT RESISTANCE FIGHTER......THEN YASER ARAFAT NOBEL PEACE PRIZE PERSON.

AND TRY TO ANSWER MY PREVIOUS QUESTION....WITH A YES OR A NO.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 6:01 pm ET

"Governments are there to serve the people who elected them and not to abuse them and abuse their human rights."
And what Hammas is doing is not abuse of thier people?
CS, what is the question exactly? Not too long though as my western biased mind may not comprehend

Professor   January 18th, 2009 6:02 pm ET

Pat,

Its very easy for you to sit in the comfort of your home and start blaming the Palestinians for resisting the occupation....

I bet if you were the one thrown out of your home and the Palestinians were sitting in the comfort of their home and blaming you... you would not like it.

Indian   January 18th, 2009 6:03 pm ET

PLEASE DONT INSULT ANY RELIGIONS.

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 6:03 pm ET

I’ve been reading all the comments on inside the middle east blog for quite sometime, I really think these points should be highlighted:

Why Israel didn't accept an offer by Hamas resistance of a one year of truce in exchange for complete withdrawal of Israeli troops and lifting of the blockade?

Why Israel refuse to lift the blockade and insist on caging the people of Gaza like Animals?

Why the rockets started to fall on Israel after the blockade , is it a sign of deprivation ?

How will react to someone denying you of the basic right of a normal life and deny you to have an economy and a trade and to live free .... how will accept life if you don't have freedom which equals liberties, I myself will not accept life without freedom and think that 60 years under occupation is unfair and inhuman .

benyemen   January 18th, 2009 6:03 pm ET

JOAN

BRAIN WASHING IS A TERM USED BY THE ZIONISTS AS WELL AS TERRORISTS TO PEOPLE WHOM DIS-AGREE WITH THEM---IS THE DEFINITION ABOVE CORRECT?

Chernor Jalloh   January 18th, 2009 6:03 pm ET

The unilateral ceasefire being declared yerstaday in Tel Aviv by the Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert in that mayhem in Gaza,and on the other hand clearly said:`´The ceasefire is fragile and it will be reassessed by minutes"´,makes me doubt about it and a big question mark remained to be answered.It is important now Hamas and other factions have issued a one week ceasefire to allow the full withdrawal of the IDF and lift the blocade at the Rafah crossing border with Egypt,but yet that remain be seen if the Israelis are going to comply with their proposals.

Prime minister Ehud Olmert´s apology to the people of Gaza who has lost their beloved ones in this latest onslaught proves to eveyone that he is guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity.It is up to the International court of justice in The Hague to file an arrest warrant to those who are either direct or in directly involved in the coldblooded murder of innocent men,women and children in Gaza.

President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt hosting a summit of world leaders on the crisis in Gaza speaks voulmes simply because no-one mentioned the real obstacle to the peace process in Palestine.Ending the occupation is the only way to a lasting peace in the region.The international community´s pledge of rebuiling the destruction made by the Israelis is just wasting the taxpayers' money as long as Israel is fully engaged in a summary excutions and filling its prisons with Palestinans.Let us hope that both sides exercise restraints and stop countless accusations to each other as to who broke first the frigile cease fire.

Professor   January 18th, 2009 6:04 pm ET

Pat,

Hamas is not the abuser here, Its Israel the occupier. Hamas is resisting on behalf of the rest of the Palestinian population who elected them.

Libra   January 18th, 2009 6:05 pm ET

This article is pure propaganda. No solid reasonings behind it. Pure speculation. Findings not conclusive. It leaves the readers to connect the dots when there are actually no dots to connect. What these articles do to the simple mind is create false understanding.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 6:06 pm ET

CS, it's terrible what happned to the women being searched but I must say that most western airports have tightened their security and not for no reason....there are terrorists attacks more frequently in Europe and N America. And again why were the borders tightened. Might it have anything to do with suicide bombers which were also carried out by women and children in Israel also killing innocent women and kids and men. What is that justification? Law of physics for every action there is a reaction. I am not defending the violence that reigns in Gaza but instead of replenishing that cycle I think it is about time to put idelogical aspirations aside and work pragmatically and reach a better and safe place for ALL to live. Not one side or the other. BOTH

Professor   January 18th, 2009 6:08 pm ET

Very good points Hunk.

Professor   January 18th, 2009 6:09 pm ET

Pat,

If there was no occupation.... then why would there be "terrorists" as you call them or suicide bombers?.....

Who would they attack then?

Its the occupation stupid.

Professor   January 18th, 2009 6:11 pm ET

Steve Canada,

Israel is the one who wanted the reporting to be one sided.... So, it needs to be investigated.

Joan   January 18th, 2009 6:11 pm ET

benyemen,

No, your definition is not correct. Brainwashing is a universal word, not associated with any one group. From dictionary.com, brainwashing is:

Indoctrination that forces people to abandon their beliefs in favor of another set of beliefs. Usually associated with military and political interrogation and religious conversion, brainwashing attempts, through prolonged stress, to break down an individual's physical and mental defenses. Brainwashing techniques range from vocal persuasion and threats to punishment, physical deprivation, mind-altering drugs, and severe physical torture.

Of course,there are several definitions, but they are all similar.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 6:14 pm ET

As for being brainwashed, most europeans stations are actually sympathise more with the Palistinain side of the conflict. So there goes your thought of brainwashing. And I am not being a racist. I believe all have the right for a safe and peaceful environment to raise their children and build a healthy environment. But how can that happen when there are those in power who encourage hate, who offer no concrete view of peace who breed children to be weapons not only wear them. You can blame Israel for doing this to the children but I doubt that any person would indoctrinate their young children with children tv shows to kill the Jew, or camps that glorify being a martyr. But I guess I'm just stupid to think that kids should watch "the Magic school bus" or sponge bob and not "How to...become a successful martyr"

Libra   January 18th, 2009 6:15 pm ET

Brainwashing is what the US did to its citizens when they brought their so-called proof of nuclear weapons in Iraq, which was never found, so the US could win public approval.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 6:21 pm ET

Taking your analogy Professor believe it or not I am a competitive being and if someone threw me out with out reason. I would be angry, but if I know that all attmepts to just get rid of that person or people, I would try to prove that I can do something out of little. But I think that analogy is too simplisitic, as each individual could react differently. Some would say nothing, others would just want revenge and others would try to be productive. Unfortunately those who have a lust for blood and revenge will not accomplish anything

Joan   January 18th, 2009 6:22 pm ET

Libra,

NO. "weapons of mass destruction' was not brainwashing. It was incorrect information or lies, whichever you choose to believe. The thing is, the American people didn't all believe it and nobody forced them to do so. Unfortunately, the U.S Congres did vote to allow President BUsh to declare war, and he did so.

Lies, and misinformation are not brainwashing.

benyemen   January 18th, 2009 6:24 pm ET

LIBRA DEFINITION OR EAXAMPLE OF THE WORD BRAINWASHING IS MORE ACCURATE DONT YOU THINK SO PAT AND JOAN?

Joan   January 18th, 2009 6:27 pm ET

Many of you are using 'reaction' to justify action. Humans were gifted with brains so that they can use reason to solve problems, not just blind reaction. Some physical reactions are almost impossible to control but anything that requires thought can be controlled. We have been in the age of reason for a long time.

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 6:27 pm ET

Professor,

Its so unfair that after 60 years of suffering there is still no light at the end of the tunnel which is still so dark ....

Patrick Henry's "Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death" Speech .....

"I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"

Libra   January 18th, 2009 6:28 pm ET

@JOAN
Are you trying to brainwash me into thinking what you believe?
You don't have to explain to me American politics. I am doing fine with my version.

Joan   January 18th, 2009 6:30 pm ET

Libra,

Are you suggesting that your brain is so weak that a few comments on a blog are capable of brainwashing you ??

Pat   January 18th, 2009 6:31 pm ET

resisting the occupation...don't you think that if the Palistinains did things differently since 2005. If there were no suicide bombers and n o missiles being targeted I'm sure Gaza would be different today.
And yes i am in the comfort of my own home but I still have an opinion. I am a firm believer that people should take the consequences of their actions. That includes people from Gaza. That's the reality. Its the blinded hatred that is casuing all of this

benyemen   January 18th, 2009 6:31 pm ET

PAT, PAT, PAT,

WHY YOU TRY TO BE MORE DIPLOMATIC WITH YOU COMMENTS AND ANSWERS, TRY TO ANSWER OR COMMENT FROM YOUR INNER SELF.

YOU CANNOT IMPOSE OTHER PEOPLE ON ANOTHER PEOPLE LAND AND SAY ITS FACT ACCEPT IT.

IF THE ARABS WERE IMPOSED ON YOU (WHATEVER COUNTRY YOU ARE EVEN IF YOU ARE WHAT YOU CALL ISRAEL) AND THESE ARABS ARE DOING WHAT ISRAEL IS DOING TO THE ARABS NOW) WILL YOU ACCEPT THAT? ANSWER ME HONESTLY -WITH A SIMPLE ANSWER -YES OR NO.

Libra   January 18th, 2009 6:31 pm ET

@Joan
Your reasoning just doesn't fit when you have high ranking officials briefing the world with diagrams, if I might add, and 37 countries participate in an all-out war. This is a game for you?

Chernor Jalloh   January 18th, 2009 6:33 pm ET

The Israelis and their strong allie have been pointing fingers to Iran as the one supporting Hamas with weapons which are smuggled through tunnels at the Rafah crossing border into Gaza.But who is supplying sophisticated weapons like white Phosphorous used by the IDF to innocent civilians in Gaza?Who gave the Israelis F-16 fighters,Aparchi and other dangerous weapons banned by the international community not to be used on ordinary people?Or is it for the right to defend oneself whereby the majority of the victims are defenseless people living in congested areas due to occupations?

Israel must be forced to learn sense and be held accountable for its brutal activities in Palestine.If the West is not doing anything to stop the catastrophy in Palestine,the threat of terrorism willnot end.They should do all possible means to end the occupation,then Hamas too which is often accused of having in its charter that their main goal is to destroy the state of Israel will be altered and peace will finally come where Israelis are not going to be under a barrage of rocketsfire from Gaza.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 6:35 pm ET

People have both intellect and emotions, it would be wise to use the emotions and intellect together to strive for a better future. I just don't get it. stop the quotes, the references, just find a way to be producitve. Isn't that what humanity ahs always wanted, to imrove and to evolve, learn from history rather than use it to stall development

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 6:36 pm ET

Pat,

Being a martyr is to offer your live to "defend " your homeland, if a man attack me and my house and I defend myself and die i am a martyr.

So don't think that only "attacking" is to be a martyr .... kindly see the thin line here .

Joan   January 18th, 2009 6:38 pm ET

Libra,

How does my reasoning not fit ? Do you really believe that people are so weak that they 'are forced to believe' something just because it comes from high ranking individuals.

I don't know where you live, but in most free countries you are free to believe what you want. Most people in Canada, US, etc. do not believe everything their government tells them.

Challenging authority is part of freedom.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 6:38 pm ET

people have to take responsibility for their governemnts and who they elect

benyemen   January 18th, 2009 6:38 pm ET

SO JOAN NOW YOU ARE AN EDUCATOR SO IF YOU MEAN BRAINWASHING AS YOU HAVE PUT IT OR LIBRA HAVE PUT IT ITS ALMOST THE SAME TO ME.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION NO WE ARE NOT BRAINWASHED BUT THATS HOW WE FEEL AND BELIEVE.

Professor   January 18th, 2009 6:42 pm ET

Pat,

But, I guarantee you that if you were trying to get your home back no one will accuse you of reveng and being a blood thirsty.

Thank you for agreeing with me. :)

Sometime you have to give simplistic comparisons for our small brains to comprehend.

Roscoe   January 18th, 2009 6:45 pm ET

Professor January 18th, 2009 1802 GMT

Pat,

Its very easy for you to sit in the comfort of your home and start blaming the Palestinians for resisting the occupation….

I bet if you were the one thrown out of your home and the Palestinians were sitting in the comfort of their home and blaming you… you would not like it.
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Imaginary Professor,

Since you are convinced that the UN and it's member nations overstepped their authority when they approved UN Resolution 181, which provided for the creation of the State of Israel as well as an Arab State, don't you think the appropriate thing to do to resolve the dispute would be for the Palestinians and all of their Arab brothers to do would be to take their case to the UN and explain to the UN how they erred?? And demand that the error be corrected??

Or, do you simply feel that the more appropriate thing to do is show violent resistance against the civilian population of the State of Israel?? You know, firing rockets into the villages and towns indiscriminately in hopes of killing the Israeli women and children!

After all, per your belief, the root cause of the conflict is the UN and not the citizens of Israel!!

Professor   January 18th, 2009 6:45 pm ET

Pat,

thats the same excuse Bin Laden use against America.... he says that people in America are responsible for who they elcted.... so you agree with bin Laden then right?

So who is the terrorist now?

Pat   January 18th, 2009 6:45 pm ET

Hunk, I am referring to those children, women and men who have strapped themselves with explosives, travelled to Israeli towns, mounted the bus, entered the malls etc etc and blew themselves and the ones near them to be stupud. Any movement or group that glorifies this is backward. Sorry but I do. And no matter how much I suppport something, the moment someone tells me I have to convince my kids to do that and for what really? What does it do? What does it bring? What does it offer? ANything? It offers nothing. It promises nothing and promises more hatred

Libra   January 18th, 2009 6:46 pm ET

@Joan
Just for your information, I am an educated person by American private school system and public university. I am a US citizen, and I fully know what it means to be a free-thinking individual. Don't be so personally cruel to me because I am using my free thinking abilities which I was naturally born with. My opinion should not be a personal induendo for you. By the way, US public schools are the worst in the world.

Professor   January 18th, 2009 6:47 pm ET

Roscoe,

You seriously have a thick head.... Who is occupying Palestine? The UN or Zionist Israel?

Its the occupation stupid.

Nona   January 18th, 2009 6:48 pm ET

Joan and Pat - I agree with you 100%. Thank you for your refreshing common sense!

benyemen   January 18th, 2009 6:49 pm ET

LIBRA, JOAN,

THE SHOES THROWN AT GUY, SAID EITHER BE WITH US OR AGAINST US....SO NO BRAINWASHING BUT COWARDY BY THE 37 NATIONS WHOM WENT WITH HIM.

PAT

WE LEARNED FROM HISTORY THAT ALL OCCUPIERS FAIL IN THE END AND GO BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM. ITS PRODUCTIVE ISN'T IT?

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 6:51 pm ET

PAT
PEOPLE IN GAZZA ELECTED HAMAS AND THEY DID NOT REGRET IT. your war has done more good than bad.
you know i thank your government for the favor it has done to us.
1-it has revived the palestinian cause which was clinically dead.
2-it has incread suppor for resistance in an unprecedented war.
3-it has weakened the authority and the popularity of the so called moderate regimes.
4- it has unveiled the faces of the palestinians that should go away.
5-it has shown the dirty and ugly face of the occupation to the world. 6-it has undermined the legitimacy of the UN ; from now on on dont count on any country to apply its decisions.
6-it has shown to the world how afraid are israelis to lead a war(only planes and bombs and artillery in dense areas and no face to face fighting). suppose you face a nation your size. the easy wars you used to have are over.

Hope   January 18th, 2009 6:54 pm ET

Karl Penhaul Rocks....

Roscoe   January 18th, 2009 6:54 pm ET

Hunk January 18th, 2009 1827 GMT

Its so unfair that after 60 years of suffering there is still no light at the end of the tunnel which is still so dark ….

Patrick Henry’s “Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death” Speech …..

“I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”

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Interesting, however, Patrick Henry wasn't using violent resistance againt the women and chldren of England. He was using violent resistance against the Brithish Armed Forces!

Some people choose not see the difference.

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 6:54 pm ET

Pat,

Reading through your lines i understand that you affirm that kids have bombed some buses ..... which needs to be examined more carefully ...

I was talking of the martyrdom doctrine which is cant be shoretned by explosive bombs and targeting civilians its more of a vast meaning that has many really noble meaning to it ... now maybe is not the time and kindly review your statments as you are under infulance that kids are carrying soucide attacks ... who are kids at what are thier ages is something we both agree on and dont need to explaine.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 6:56 pm ET

I live in a country that all religions ar respected. There have been problems but in the end we live in peace. This is what I believe should happen there. Instead of having the priority of getting rid of Israel (which will not happen), start being productive. Jesus, people here are discussing that the whole problem wouldn't exist if Israel would be wiped out! Does anyone realise what that implies! N one is saying Palistinians have to love Israel. But accept that it exists. stop playing the game of who took what and when. Everyone loses then. Take now and future. Stop htting Israel. Start working as any two neighbouring nations should and learn the lesson that obviously Hate is not the answer. It's not working for you Palistinians. When something doesn't work, find a more productive way! And use better judgement in the future as to who you elect.
When someone in Europe elects an idiot, the people suffer. It's not the same situation but the principle is there. even internal governments can affect the federal on the int'l level. What do people then do???? Vote differently. yet it seems that those in Gaza prefer to hate then to learn.

American Jew   January 18th, 2009 6:59 pm ET

People can only take responsibility for their governments when they feel empowered to do so.

What 1st world citizens are able to do and feel empowered to do is VERY different to the poverty conditions Palestinians are in, thus not allowing them to feel empowered.

Fear, hunger, oppression, lack of basic needs is not conducive to creating the environment to allow these people to be empowered to take the responsibility you speak of...

and that comes so easily to us USA citizens...

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 7:00 pm ET

Pat
its the occupation stupid.
all the reactions of palestinians (whether good or bad)are due to occupation.

its the occupation stupid.

Libra   January 18th, 2009 7:01 pm ET

"I have not yet begun to fight" John Paul Jones

On September 23, 1779, Jones fought one of the bloodiest engagements in naval history. Jones struggled with the 44-gun Royal Navy frigate Serapis, and although his own vessel was burning and sinking, Jones would not accept the British demand for surrender, replying, “I have not yet begun to fight.” More than three hours later, Serapis surrendered and Jones took command.

benyemen   January 18th, 2009 7:01 pm ET

I FOR THE FIRST TIME TEND SOMEHOW TO AGREE WITH CHERNOR JALLOH LAST POSTED ABOVE COMMENT.

ISN'T THIS PRODUCTIVE PAT??

Joan   January 18th, 2009 7:03 pm ET

Libra,

I am not trying to be cruel to you. You asked me if I was trying to brainwash you ? And I was simply answering by asking you if you really thought (or expected me to think) that you (or anyone else) could be brainwashed by a few blog comments ?

I did not mean to offend you.

Roscoe   January 18th, 2009 7:03 pm ET

Imaginary Professor January 18th, 2009 1847 GMT

Roscoe,

You seriously have a thick head…. Who is occupying Palestine? The UN or Zionist Israel?

Its the occupation stupid.
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Interesting that you fail to hold those responsible for the situation unaccopuntable!! Especially after your dissertation yesterday about how the UN has so grossly overstepped it's bounds of authoriy when it and the members nations provided for the creation of The State of Israel.

Why is it so absurd, in your view, to use the same mechanism to undo the wrong as was used to create the wrong?

Keep firing rockets at the women and chldren of Israel. I'm sure this resolve the situation to your satisfaction!

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 7:04 pm ET

Read the book of the former president jimmy carter: israel is like the apartheid system.

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 7:05 pm ET

Roscoe,

Women and children of who is being slaughtered as we speak ... Palestinians only ... give me one picture of women s and children s...... you chose not to see the difference .... violent resistance against Israelis who are a nation at Arm , and women s too .... I am an Arab sell your rotten vegetables to the brain washed people like you.

I left many comments last night for you still awaiting your reply ... could you address that too .

Libra   January 18th, 2009 7:05 pm ET

Let's discuss Obama and empowerment

Beny   January 18th, 2009 7:06 pm ET

Ah... we must act quickly to impose guard of the Philadelphi strip. Tunnels for smuggling rockets are being re-dug as we speak, and the quicker we act diplomatically (if Olmert gave up the military option) to stop this, the better.

I am still dissapointed we left without Gilad Shalit. There was a chance to pressure Hamas into releasing him.

Now let us hope that next time a Hamasnik thinks about shooting a rocket or blowing up in an bus, he will remember how painful it is to provoke Israel.

History has shown that much more can be sqeezed out of Israel by putting on a facade of peace like Arafat and Abbas, rather than just attacking us head-on like Hamas. Attacking Israel is not the way- simply because Israel is much stronger. What is stronger, however, is our want for quiet, which Arafat knew well how to use.

Is Irani money really worth all this?

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 7:07 pm ET

Roscoe

rockets are a direct effect of occupation. return to poland a nd russia, and your women will be safe.
why do we attack you and why dont we attack e.g. Danmark or Switzerland.

its the occupation stupid.

American Jew   January 18th, 2009 7:07 pm ET

People here are not necessarily saying Israel should be wiped out...not all any way...let's go deepr and look more closely at that claim...

I think it's more calling for the elimination of the ideology of exclusion and oppression.

Personally, I don't call for the elimination of the PEOPLE on either side of the coin.

The extreme Zionist and Hamas ideologies is the obstacle to possible peace in the region.

Wipe out ideologies that oppress folks.

Joan   January 18th, 2009 7:09 pm ET

AJ,

I agree with you that it is difficult for poor, hungry people, to feel empowered, and I agree that they need aid (as does the world in general). But how can that happen when they have elected a government that doesn't help them

You can make excuses for anything, and the excuse is legitimate, but how does that help? Change is needed and how is change going to happen???

Pat   January 18th, 2009 7:10 pm ET

Israel isn't smuggling. they have a military. Hammas however is smuggling and is getting arms from a country who also vows to destroy Israel. Therefore I don't get the comparison. One wants to destroy a whole country and people. Has it stated in on paper. israel doesn't have those 'aspirations' of hate

Akiva Heifetz   January 18th, 2009 7:10 pm ET

CNN
all the views of the people are a bit onesided and cleare they only base on propaganda
but the last old man was very right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think his titl was STOP

Joan   January 18th, 2009 7:10 pm ET

Libra,

You are quoting an event from 1779 ? How does that apply?

Beny   January 18th, 2009 7:12 pm ET

I still have to unanswered questions:

1) What "occupation" is, as everyone repeats like a broken record,the cause of all this? Describe in detail.

2) Hamas were elected. They became a rightful government. How has the Palestinian's condition changed as a result of their reign? (psst: look at Gaza now). Besides not bringing them one inch closer to their goal of Israel's destruction.

Normal countries don't reelect governments that brought them only pain and useless war. What will the Palestinians do?

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 7:12 pm ET

Roscoe

i still dont get. why do you have to destroy the UNRWA school 3 times on a row knowing that you should kiss the ass of the UN day and night since it has declared you as a defact state on a shameful ethical basis.

American Jew   January 18th, 2009 7:13 pm ET

Im not making excuses, but making observations...

Change is not going to come easily that is for sure. I do think there has to be independent mediators to jumpstart the process.

It will take time but yes chang needs o happen!

Wish it could be quick,,,,but,,,

Pat   January 18th, 2009 7:13 pm ET

American Jew, many people here have said that israel should be wiped off the map. I just don't get it. I am not israeli or Jew or Arab or muslim. I just don't understand how anyone can support any ideology that declares that another people should be destroyed.

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 7:14 pm ET

Roscoe

i still dont get. why do you have to destroy the UNRWA school 3 times on a row knowing that you should kiss the ass of the UN day and night since it has declared you as a de facto state on a shameful and unprecedented ethical basis.

benyemen   January 18th, 2009 7:15 pm ET

PAT

AS FROM WHAT YOU POST, I THINK YOU ARE A ZIONIST WHO LIVE IN PALESTINE AND YOU HAVE EMIGRATED FROM EUROPE AND YOU HAVE NO HISTORY OF OWNING OR POSSESING ANYTHING IN THIS WORLD.

SO THATS WHY YOU DON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS WHICH WILL SHOW YOUR TRUE IDENDITY, THATS WHY YOU KEEP ON "LETS FORGET THE PAST TO LIVE THE FUTURE" FYI OUR CULTURE SAYS "ANYONE WITHOUT A PAST HAVE GOT NO FUTURE" SO TRY ADJUSTING YOUR MIND TO THAT SAYING.

American Jew   January 18th, 2009 7:15 pm ET

Military might has not made right, so...

Alternative seems to be negotiations, talk

wow what a concept!

Beny   January 18th, 2009 7:16 pm ET

AJ,

Take a look at Hamas's charter: "the liberation of Palestine from the Zionists from the Jordan to the sea". Take a look at the map. What they mean is Israel's destruction.

Israel offered Mahmoud Abbas 94% of the 1967 land they demand, the other 6% being big Jewish towns like Ariel. Abbas refused, demanding all 100%. Who is blocking peace?

Libra   January 18th, 2009 7:16 pm ET

Empowerment to elect a representor:

Landslide margins among black voters powered Barack Obama to his win Saturday in South Carolina's Democratic presidential primary:

South Carolina being the poorest state in the USA

Pat   January 18th, 2009 7:17 pm ET

And frankly speaking, I doubt my government would wait 8 years to respond, no matter what.

Akiva Heifetz   January 18th, 2009 7:17 pm ET

CNN whats with press confrence?
you was ... we do a little breack and come back

and then you bring bussines traveler and so on!!!!!!!!!!!!!

are you stupid now?

Roscoe   January 18th, 2009 7:18 pm ET

Hunk January 18th, 2009 1905 GMT

Roscoe,

Women and children of who is being slaughtered as we speak … Palestinians only … give me one picture of women s and children s…… you chose not to see the difference …. violent resistance against Israelis who are a nation at Arm , and women s too …. I am an Arab sell your rotten vegetables to the brain washed people like you.

I left many comments last night for you still awaiting your reply … could you address that too .

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Sorry, must have left the room before you posted!

My point was in refence to your quote of a famous American revolutionary. I believe your point was to use him as an example of someone who actively used violence as a revolutionary tool. Right??

My point, to you, is that his fight against occupation was directed at the British Armed Forces-- not he women and children of England!

This is quite different than the peolple in Palestine show violent resistance against the women and children in Israel through the use of rockets-- and in the past suicide bombings.

Akiva Heifetz   January 18th, 2009 7:18 pm ET

litte break????????????

you did cut the conference!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

shame on you CNNNNNN shame on you
so pitty

Debra   January 18th, 2009 7:19 pm ET

Pat, Joan, it does no good to talk to them. I am learning a lot from all of these comments. All of you that are on here from Israel or Palistine telling the rest of us what is wrong and what to do need to take what you have learned from the US or other countries back to your country of origin and make a difference to your people. Talk to the people that matter, your people. Can you do that?

Libra   January 18th, 2009 7:19 pm ET

@Joan
Even through desparate times, leaders do have a will to fight for what they desire to obtain. Not only Palestinians. It's in American History books.

American Jew   January 18th, 2009 7:20 pm ET

Pat, I hear you and agree

We have a war of words going on here

Rhetoric can be awful on both sides.

I have heard similar rhetoric at pro-Israel rallies...equally abhorrent.

Words like, "Wipe 'em out (Palestinians)" and ""The Palestinians are a cancer in Israel's skin, they should be burned out!"

Anger and fear brings out the worst in people on BOTH sides.

American Jew   January 18th, 2009 7:21 pm ET

Ugliness on both sides

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 7:21 pm ET

pat
israel doesn’t have those ‘aspirations’ of hate.

What do you call killing and injuring of thousands of civilians.

benny

I am still dissapointed we left without Gilad Shalit. There was a chance to pressure Hamas into releasing him.

you could not put pressure simply because you did not win a war. in fact, there was no war it was an excecution of civilians by planes and artillery.
you ll never have your soldier until you empty you release 11000 prisoners.

American Jew   January 18th, 2009 7:22 pm ET

This is definiely not a one-sided war

Roscoe   January 18th, 2009 7:22 pm ET

mohammed gharbawi January 18th, 2009 1914 GMT

Roscoe

i still dont get. why do you have to destroy the UNRWA school 3 times on a row knowing that you should kiss the ass of the UN day and night since it has declared you as a de facto state on a shameful and unprecedented ethical basis.
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You must have me confused with someone who is either Jewish or Israeli!

Sorry for your mistake!

Beny   January 18th, 2009 7:23 pm ET

AJ,

The Zionist ideology calls for the settling of Jews anywhere in Israel, and establishing an ever-lasting Jewish majority state right HERE, where I sit. I have been called "Zionist" many times, and I am very flattered. I would rather be a Zionist than a Jew (and there are Christian Zionists, too).

The Hamas ideology calls for one thing only: the destruction of the aforesaid state. Not even building a Palestinian one, just destroying the Jewish.

The only way to peace with the Palestinians is negotiations, which we have been doing for the last 60 years. But the only way to peace with Hamas is scaring them out of their Iranian funding and off the rocket-launcher.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 7:23 pm ET

To emphasize my point that people should be responsible about who they elect and take the consequences of who they've elected, and focus on the now and future for the desire to better one's life and one's kids and family, there is 'fragile' ceasefire. yet somehow, I think that some stray rocket will land somewhere in Isarel. hammas will say it was another militant faction. OR will Palistinians use their anger to demand a more productive direction. Use the aid from the Int'l community to prosper, educate and encourage peace and security with their neighbours? Let's see...

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 7:25 pm ET

Benny

Take a look at Hamas’s charter: “the liberation of Palestine from the Zionists from the Jordan to the sea”. Take a look at the map. What they mean is Israel’s destruction.

this is the reason why we sympathize with hamas.

benyemen   January 18th, 2009 7:25 pm ET

GOOD NIGHT GOOD PEOPLE;

LIBRA I LIKED: “I have not yet begun to fight” John Paul Jones.

HUNK I LIKED: Patrick Henry’s “Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death”

Pat   January 18th, 2009 7:26 pm ET

Beny, please explain to me the story behind Gilad Shalit? I know he being held, whether dead or alive, I don't know. But why was he taken exactly?

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 7:28 pm ET

Beny

Is Irani money really worth all this?

people have come to realize that egypt is the real enemy of the palestinian cause and that iran , contrary to what they say in the press, is the nation that supports our just cause.
this has been already stressed by many arab scholars like Hassanin Haikal.

Joan   January 18th, 2009 7:28 pm ET

benyemen,

'YOU HAVE EMIGRATED FROM EUROPE AND YOU HAVE NO HISTORY OF OWNING OR POSSESING ANYTHING IN THIS WORLD.'

"OUR CULTURE SAYS “ANYONE WITHOUT A PAST HAVE GOT NO FUTURE'

I don't get it. My ancestors, including Canadain Indians and Europeans, have owned land in many places in the world.So what. I have owned land in several places, and now own land in another country. Land is something that can be bought and sold. Why would anyone sacrifice themselves or anyone else for land?

Do you think that a piece of land is your only past. Your past is who you are, your values. It has nothing to do with a piece of land. Americans are mostly immigrants, does that mean they have no future??

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 7:31 pm ET

beny
we will elect them again; and be sure in the west bank too this time.

Libra   January 18th, 2009 7:32 pm ET

Nobody wants to discuss empowerment and an inpoversihed society in electing its official representative?

Obama=South Carolina, the poorest state in USA

Where's Joan and Pat?

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 7:34 pm ET

joan

I don’t get it. My ancestors, including Canadain Indians and Europeans, have owned land in many places in the world.So what. I have owned land in several places, and now own land in another country. Land is something that can be bought and sold. Why would anyone sacrifice themselves or anyone else for land?

this shows that its not your land because there is no bond between you and the land you occupy.

In our culture, they say: " we die for two things: our family and our land".

what you say is really shameful.

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 7:35 pm ET

joan

"our land speaks arabic".

kevin   January 18th, 2009 7:36 pm ET

Israel planning Ethnic Cleansing of the Palestinians -not peace. The below link is a must read
http://deepermindfield.blogspot.com/.

Also check out B'Tselem.com for actual latest stats.

Libra   January 18th, 2009 7:36 pm ET

@Pat
We all know the cowboys and indians. Where are the indians now?
Who's land was taken by who?
Your land is my land, from california to redwood forests
Land of liberty
land of opportunity
land of lincoln

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 7:36 pm ET

Roscoe,

You said:

Sorry, must have left the room before you posted!

My point was in refence to your quote of a famous American revolutionary. I believe your point was to use him as an example of someone who actively used violence as a revolutionary tool. Right??

My answer:

I see here is the occupation of Palestine and i look at the suicide bombers are the weapons of the hopeless , who been under the brutal Israeli OCCUPATION.

You said:

My point, to you, is that his fight against occupation was directed at the British Armed Forces—- not he women and children of England!

I say:

Your WAR is not against Hamas but against the children s and women s and the elderly in Gaza are the only victims, which the reason you see all demonstrations on all the four corners of the world.

You said:

This is quite different than the peolple in Palestine show violent resistance against the women and children in Israel through the use of rockets—- and in the past suicide bombings.

I say:

"The people of Palestine" you said above, thats way you kill every body in Palestine no matter he is a child or women s or elderly as long as they are Palestinians then your war against Hamas is a cover to kill all no matter what.

Chernor Jalloh   January 18th, 2009 7:37 pm ET

benyemen,you know when people speak out on the conflicts between the Israelis and the Palestinians,they can swiftly come under criticism of either being an anti-Israel or the other way round.What ever we as ordinary people happen to write or say on the issues of Israel and Palestine is not going to have much effect.The politicians have the final say and can do what ever they want to do regardless of mounting pressure from the international community.Iam netural and from what I have been seeing in any war,I have to give my own point and predictions that might go down well inorder to archieve peace.The IDF has used almost all its military power to flush out Hamas,but rockets were still sent into Israel and leaving the people rushing into bunkers for their lives.We hope a lasting peace will come to the peoples in the region.

Roscoe   January 18th, 2009 7:37 pm ET

Pat January 18th, 2009 1926 GMT

Gilad Shalit, an IDF member, was snatched from Israeli territory during a cross border raid by Hamas. The general belief is that he is still alive.

mahmoud jboor   January 18th, 2009 7:38 pm ET

its seems after hizbullah fight in 2006 and hammas able to stop israeli to this point that all the previous wars were false!!!...so if israelies doesnt come to the terms of peace, we are again ready to fight them whatever it takes!!! they must believe in peace not power ......i wonder when they will make their minds???!!!!

Thot   January 18th, 2009 7:39 pm ET

Israel real knew how to use to their profit this transition of powers that is happening on the USA. Obama didn’t said nothing about it because he believes there is only one President at time. Bush didn’t much efforts to solve it because he was on the last days of his presidency. Or is just coincidence that the attack against Gaza occurred during the transition on the USA?
What the USA did during this conflict?
Seems like washing hands on the style of Pontius Pilate.

American Jew   January 18th, 2009 7:39 pm ET

A non-starter Beny.

Zionist Ideology began with premise that "...a land without a people for a people without a land."

Only thing, there was a people already there, who have been displaced, homes destroyed, and pushed into squalid poverty over 60 years.

Lots to the history not heard by folks today.

Israel currently controls Gaza and the West Bank. Why not let these people have self determination–give them a chance to grow their government?

Negotiations with your enemy starts with dealing with the ugly words of anger brought on by oppression...

Israel has the military strength and US backing to keep the "fear of "wipe out" at bay...so start talking and stop controlling/bombing..you got the might, guys....

A revolutionary idea for all of you to chew on…a one state solution.

Equality for ALL…the right for Israelis and Palestinian to co-exist in the region equally.

South Africa is doing it

Ireland is doing it

It is a humanitarian issue…the survival of people, regardless of ideology.

Let the Zionist and Islamist ideologies die, so the peoples may live!

Keys   January 18th, 2009 7:40 pm ET

I love how these arabs and arab lovers come onto a Western Web site like CNN spouting and blustering their Stone Age indoctrination and thier 4th grade educations, then rage about how everything is an evil zionist conspiracy wehn the civilized people don't swallow their barbarism and antideluvian convoluted logic. It's hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Newsflash, Ahab and Abu! It's the 21st Century! MOVE ON!!!! Stop drinking tea and arguing! Get a job and a life!

racasel   January 18th, 2009 7:42 pm ET

Why do Hamas kill Palestinians who celebrates their wedding? Don’t they want the Palestinians to multiply and populate Gaza with peaceful fun loving Palestinian people?

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 7:44 pm ET

let me summarize israelis once and for all what happened:
1-israel besieged Gazzans for many months (no food, no medicine,.....) with the coordination of egypt (ie. no truce).
The purpose: to oblige Hamas to act violently (by doing the only thing it has got: rockets).
2- Hamas reacts by launching some rockets.
3- israel gets in gazza and massacres everybody.

hunger.............rockets......................racial cleansing.
action reaction.

its the occupation stupid.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 7:45 pm ET

Debra, it's sad really. I wonder some times what they talk about amongst themselves. I sit with my friends and we talk about how to deal with our kids, to make them happy and safe and offer them as much as we can. we teach them sports, manners, morals and we try to be their role models by acting the same way. We talk about being productive and how hard work results in success both emotionally, physically and hopefully ecomomically. we encourage different opinions as long as they can be backd up with reason.Acceptance and tolerance. And then I see, hear and read about things over there, but I just can't understand how you can encourage hate, violence and destruction from such a young age.

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 7:47 pm ET

racasel,

from where you got that? could you please share it with me

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 7:47 pm ET

racasel

Why do israelis refuse to take the blood of the black jews who came from ethiopia (fallasha)?
ISNT THAT RACIST TOO?

Roscoe   January 18th, 2009 7:48 pm ET

Hunk:

I fully understand you believe that it is acceptable to target the women and children of Israel due to desperation. I simply disagree with your position.

I also understand your view that the Israelis believe that it is acceptable to target the innocent women, children and elderly of Gaza in return. I simply don't really know how the Israelis feel about this. I am neither Jewish nor Israeli.

However, I do not believe it to be acceptable to target women and children and ederly in any conflict. It's simply not acceptable in any situation-– no matter how desperate the situation.

Your resistance and your right of resistance needs to against the IDF, and the response of the IDF needs to be against the resistance- that's my position!

Joan   January 18th, 2009 7:49 pm ET

mohammed,

'this shows that its not your land because there is no bond between you and the land you occupy'

You are correct!!! I do not bond with land, I bond with people. I have never heard of humans bonding with land.

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 7:49 pm ET

PAT
and we try to be their role models by acting the same way.

SO YOUR KIDS WILL BE TRAINED TO KILL INFANTS? JOURNALISTS? DOCTORS, ETC..........

YOU ARE REALLY GOOD ROLE MODELS.

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 7:51 pm ET

Pat,

In order to grasp the latest devastating murderous Israeli expedition in Gaza one must deeply comprehend the Israeli identity and its inherent hatred towards anyone who fails to be Jewish and a hatred against Arabs in particular. This hatred is imbued in the Israeli curriculum, it is preached by political leaders and implied by their acts, it is conveyed by cultural figures, even within the so-called ‘Israeli Left’.

I grew up in Israel in the 1970’s people of my generation are nowadays the leaders of the Israeli army, politics, economy, academia and the arts. We were trained to believe that ‘a good Arab is a dead one’. A few weeks before I joined the IDF in the early 1980’s, General Rafael Eitan, the Chief of Staff at the time announced that the “Arabs were stoned cockroaches in a bottle”. He got away with it, he also got away with the murder of many thousands of Lebanese civilians in the 1st Lebanon war. In a word, Israelis manage to get away with murder.

Read the rest

http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php?t=236297

Pat   January 18th, 2009 7:51 pm ET

Roscoe, wasn it one of Israeli's goals at the start to get him back? Why hasn't Israel insisted more. I've been told that isarel is always eager to get back their people even if it means exchanging for hundreds in return?

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 7:52 pm ET

PAT
What about our kids. we can not afford the things you mentioned. All we ask is you let them live. as simple as that.
However, with the post trauma syndrome that our kids all have with this experience, i wonder whether they will be able to forgive you.

its the occupation stupid.

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 7:54 pm ET

racasel

our problem with you is not religious. its the occupation stupid. whether you arte a jew or a christian is not an issue for us, but your occupation really is.

Joan   January 18th, 2009 7:54 pm ET

mohammed,

'its the occupation stupid'

No, it's 'brains in park, or reverse'

The occupation, which you can't define. I have seen today that Hmas are referring to all the land between Jorrdan and the sea. What about the 'Palestinian' land that is now part of Jordan, and Syria??

Chernor Jalloh   January 18th, 2009 7:56 pm ET

Beny,I was trying to ask of you and read your comment in support of the war on Gaza by your army thank you to have showed up.I have been away for so long and I know you have been writing round the clock since this latest onlsought began som three weeks ago.And in the end it is only ceasefire and the talks of peace intitiatives has ended the bloodshed.Gilad Shalid is not released inspite of all the bombings.Children were the ones who had paid the ultimate price on the Gaza offensive.

Both sides are claiming victory,but the type of weapons used to the people because they voted for Hamas is not good.Hamas remains steadfast even if it has been badly hit.Those army officers who shelled the UN compound in the pretext of rockets being launched by militants from that area, later on it became clear that militants never fired a single rocket from the school constitutes a war crime and those resposible should be brought to justice.

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 7:57 pm ET

pat
January 18th, 2009 1951 GMT

Roscoe, wasn it one of Israeli’s goals at the start to get him back? Why hasn’t Israel insisted more. I’ve been told that isarel is always eager to get back their people even if it means exchanging for hundreds in return?
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In order to get him, they will have to fight face to face with alkassam in the narrow streets of gazza.
all your army did is bomb gazza from the air and occupy the empty agricultural outskirts of cities.
youll never see this soldier again.

racasel   January 18th, 2009 7:57 pm ET

Hunk,
obviously you did not watch the video on youtube sent by one of the bloggers or you just want to perpetuate your moronic lies. I wish that person will send the link again. whoever it was, please send the link to that video again for Hink. He wants to entertain himself with the killing.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 8:00 pm ET

Hunk I've met many Isarelis and arabs. I'm obviously younger than you as I was still a small child in the eighties but juding people by what they were dacceds ago is pretty stupid. The ideas I had in my teens are very different than now. the Israelis I've met have been very open, intelligent and do not believe "a good arab is a dead one'. I admit most can't imagine being close friends with palistinians but they definately envision peace with them. You don't have to love your neighbour, just tolerate and accept their differences. I've also lived in a muslim country, and although I had friends there, they wer much less tolerant...in general. Not towrds Jews but anyone who wasn't a muslim. and calling Isarel murderers is ratehr ill stated when you see documented reports by all media including people like the Hammas who gloat about their tactics.
I've also visited Israel, not lived like I have in a muslim country, but israel represents a much more democratic and free society than the muslim country I lived in.
So I don't agree with your claim that they (Israelis) were indoctrinated

racasel   January 18th, 2009 8:00 pm ET

gharbagewi,
now you make sense, it definitely is the occupation of Gaza by Hamas that is the problem. I know you have learned a lot from western education.

kevin   January 18th, 2009 8:00 pm ET

Between June1967 – Dec1987- 650 Palestinians killed
Dec 1987 -Sept 2000 – 1491 Palestinians killed
Sep 2000 – Dec 2006 – 4046 Palestinans killed
Dec 2006 till date – 1698 Palestinans Killed
Gaza alone 2008 – 2009 – over 1250 Palestinans killed and 5000+ critically wounded (and dying).
Of the above dead over 51% are children under the age of 12.

In contrast how many Israelis killed? 13!!!! (of which only 3 are civilians)

Who are the terrorists?
Facts speak for themselves. The alleged rockets flying from Gaza into Israel that have killed ONLY 3 civilians are either merely fire crackers or the Israelis are throwing rockets into their backyards under false pretense. 3 Israeli civilians dead versus thousands palestinians. Shame, shame, shame on the world for letting Israel get away with this.

Bill   January 18th, 2009 8:00 pm ET

We have not changed the minds of the terrorists or the Muslim terrorist supporters on this blog, but that was not the intent. They understand only violence and destruction. Since they refuse the path of peace, they will have their fill of violence and destruction. Over the last 60 years they have learned nothing, eternally rearming, attacking, and losing again, and again.

The Jews that got expelled from Arab and Muslim lands over the last 60 years are not in camps getting handouts perpetually from the UN. Their land and property was seized. What did they do? They went to Israel and went to work to build a better life for themselves and their future.

Therein lies the biggest difference between the Jews and the Arabs. The lazy Arabs just whine and beg for handouts and seek revenge. The industrious Jews shake off their hardships, believe in God, and move on to make themselves and the world better.

But the Jews will defend themselves when attacked by the Muslms/Arabs. If the Muslims/Arabs don't attack, the Jews won't be forced to defend themselves. Most people learned that in the second grade. Apparently, the Muslim indoctrination of young children doesn't include peace; it only includes hate, jihad, intolerance, and claiming that Jews and Christians are apes and pigs. LOL. How sad for them! They are handicapped for life.

The Palestinians have yet another choice. As usual, they will choose violence and destruction – that is all they know from birth. What a lousy life they choose!

mahmoud jboor   January 18th, 2009 8:02 pm ET

AG///
thanks for wise fair and balanced comments around blogs...god bless you..

Roscoe   January 18th, 2009 8:03 pm ET

Thot January 18th, 2009 1939 GMT

Israel real knew how to use to their profit this transition of powers that is happening on the USA. Obama didn’t said nothing about it because he believes there is only one President at time. Bush didn’t much efforts to solve it because he was on the last days of his presidency. Or is just coincidence that the attack against Gaza occurred during the transition on the USA?
What the USA did during this conflict?
Seems like washing hands on the style of Pontius Pilate.
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When will the parties responsible for the situation stand up and accept responsiblity?

Why do the people of the world inevitably look to the US to resolve this problem?

Why do the people of the world inevitably blame the US for this problem?

1st it was Jimmy Carters' problem to fix!
2nd it was Bush #1's problem to fix
3rd it was Clintons' problem to fix
4th it was Bush #2's problem to fix
Now it's Obamas problem to fix

It's been the same problem for 60 years!

Anyone see a pattern there???????

When will those actually involved wake up and accept the fact that no one else is going to fix the problem???

You have to take necessary steps to fix it YOUSELF!

Stop playing the blame game!!!

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 8:04 pm ET

Chernor Jalloh

Machaal said and i believe him (as i do with NASSRELLAH): "the number of hamas fighters killed are far more fewer that the idf ones.

they also say they destroyed the military infrastructure of hamas: which infrastructure? OUR ONLY INFRASTRUCTURE IS OUR MEN. we are not a country with bases, airports, etc.
this must be clear.
the bottom line is this:
1-our men are still there.
2- our leadership is alive and kicking.
3- we stii have our arms.
4- we will dig our tunnels again
5-and we will fight you again (next time our rockets will reach telaviv inshallah).

Pat   January 18th, 2009 8:04 pm ET

racasel I watch it last night with some friends and we were laughing that the only words that the man could come up with was 'heretic'

Pat   January 18th, 2009 8:05 pm ET

Mohamed G, from what I understand though, it is the Hammas that is hiding where their sons and daughters are and their wives. they run and hide in tunnels while the civilains are on the surface. Your point is...?

Bill   January 18th, 2009 8:09 pm ET

kevin -

It is not a game of numbers. Would you like it if the Islamic terrorists had killed more Israelis? The truth is that the Islamic terrorists are cowards and war criminals. They attack civilians (war crime), they hide behind civilians (war crime), and they use mosques as ammunition and weapons dumps (war crime). They INTEND to cause more civilian caualties to get the support of emotional people like yourself. Many of the purported massacres were staged by the Palestinians for the same reasons, just to make suckers out of people like you.

Like any country, Israel has the right and the obligation to defend its people. If they weren't attacked, they wouldn't have to defend themselves. If Israel attacked it's neighbors first without provocation, I'd be the first to condemn Israel. But that is not the way it happens, is it? Israel has shown great restraint over that past 8 years as rockets and mortars reigned down on their civilian population. Now, it was time to stop the Islamic terrorist cowards. If the Islamic terrorist cowards attack again, Israel will defend itself again. It is very simple. Want peace? Stop attacking.

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 8:12 pm ET

pat
I’ve also visited Israel, not lived like I have in a muslim country, but israel represents a much more democratic and free society than the muslim country I lived in.
So I don’t agree with your claim that they (Israelis) were indoctrinated
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you dont get it:
israel is a demoncracy and it is the only demoncracy in the region and probably in the whole world.
1- a democracy: the state where people govern themselves ( representativity and accountabilty).
2- a demoncracy : the state where people govern themselves in an occupied territory and kill and/or expell its original inhabitants.

the bottom line: we dont care about internal democracy; its the occupation stupid.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 8:12 pm ET

Mohamed, I think if you put more effort in abling your kids to have those things instead of trying to kill a whole people, you would realise that directing your efforst in that way would be more productive. You have this grand plan of having Israel gone. Obviously this is a dead end. Do something a bit more productive. You say you want all those things that we in Europe offer or try to offer our kids, well that certainly didn't come by having a death wish on destroying other people. There have been attempts but any intelligent society will realise that hatred and revenge isn't the way to go

Roscoe   January 18th, 2009 8:13 pm ET

Pat January 18th, 2009 1951 GMT

Roscoe, wasn it one of Israeli’s goals at the start to get him back? Why hasn’t Israel insisted more. I’ve been told that isarel is always eager to get back their people even if it means exchanging for hundreds in return?

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It takes a little more than insistance when you're dealing with an entire population that thinks the same way as mohammed gharbawi!!

You may have already gathered this by his response to your post!

Some people are really of a hopelss mindset and blind to the realities around them!

Chernor Jalloh   January 18th, 2009 8:14 pm ET

Let us not confuse our selves on what other terrorist groups are doing to other people in the world.Hamas and other fighters are fighting to regain their lands taken from their fathers by people who arrived from Europe after the second world war ended.The UN partition in 1947/48 was not satisfactory to Palestinians,but they do agree to the 1967 borders.That too hasnot help ease the suffering of the Palestinians who always come under attacks by extremist jews settlers in the WestBank and other surrounding places.It has been reported one extremist Rabbi has recently said Israel should drop a nuclear bomb into Gaza to end the conflict there.The Western media never reported it in fear of losing their jobs the nextday.Many people tend to focus their attentions on Hamas as a terrorist groups which want to anhilate the state of Israel whereby there are Rabbis who donot want to see the existence of the Palestinian people.Israel must stop its vicious activities and end the occupations now!

racasel   January 18th, 2009 8:14 pm ET

Pat,
Isn't is sad that these people are getting all the support from sensible society out of compassion and yet they take advantage of it and twist the truth. worst yet, we allow them just to be politically correct.

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 8:16 pm ET

Pat
be sure the hypocrites in europe will than us for doing the job. they dont like you; they are afraid from you.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 8:17 pm ET

Every attempt Israel made for peace was either rejected or shortly after was shot at (literally). If peace was at the top of the agenda in Gaza, they would have done something a bit more productive then elect people who just vow for revenge and the destruction of Israel. Any country in Europe would close their borders if they wre getting suicide bombers and missiles. wasn't within 5 days of the disengagment that hammas decided to shoot missiles. Wow that was a real and honest attempt at peace...bravo!

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 8:18 pm ET

the fact that we write in a western blog id not a sound argument. you kill us a nd now you want to hijack our right of freedom of expression?
WELL? YOU DONT BELONG TO THE WESTERN CULTURE TOO.

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 8:18 pm ET

The only nation that believe in state terrorism and support it in the name of Reich (Right) to defend itself is Israel.

Its an outlaw sate which is governed by Zombies Zionist that see the rest of all human being as less than them and servants.

That brings us to one conclusions that this is an entity that lives on the fort mentality and will never live with the rest of the world , best thing to do is to topple this regime, which is a favor we will do to them .

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 8:20 pm ET

mOSS
BLAME YOUR MILITARY AND THE WESTERN DEMOCRACIES FRO NOT LETTING JOURNALISTS IN. MAY YOU WERE AFRAID OF AN INDEPENDENT OBSERVER.

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 8:22 pm ET

moss

in our pallywood, we use thousands of women , infants, journalists as stuntmen , right? really you pallywood is the best.
its the occupation stupid.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 8:22 pm ET

First Mohammed, you refer to me as if I were jewish or an Israeli. I am neither. And yes Roscoe it disgusts me but you can't blame them when all we see here is kids and women covered with blood. No pictures of Hammas and what they are doing. I think though that whether people want to admit it or not, more people will be afraid of having arab neighbours here in Europe. becasue many of these extreme comments are made from arabs living in europe. I'm just wondering where the rpes was for the past 8 years?

Bill   January 18th, 2009 8:23 pm ET

mohammed garbagi -

Face it like a man. Hamas lost BIG TIME. Not even your Muslim denial of the truth can help you this time. The only people who think that Hamas has won are terrorists like you. Hundreds of Hamas cowards are dead, more wounded and captured. Most of their rockets and weapons have been destroyed. Gaza is in more rubble than it was at the beginning. The smuggling tunnels have collapsed. An international coalition is being put in place to make sure that the Islamic terrorist cowards of Hamas can not rearm to harm their people again.. Do you see hundreds of dead Israelis? I don't. Nobody does.

Only a fool could believe that Hamas won. Even the Arab propaganda machine is not foolish enough to deny this total route of Hamas cowards.

Bill   January 18th, 2009 8:26 pm ET

Moss -

Thanks. I've tried to present this fact before. The truth is very inconvenient for Muslims. So is history...

Pat   January 18th, 2009 8:27 pm ET

Mohamed you say we'll thank you? I doubt that. May I remind you although that there are huge jewish communities in Euope and Arab communities. But I guarantee you that euopeans aren't afraid to walk in the Jewish communities yet they are afriad of the arab communities.

mr clean   January 18th, 2009 8:29 pm ET

Unilateral ceasefire and talking about truce, you must be joking.
Is it like when a bully at school has the weak kid on the ground stepping on his face and asking? ‘We are friends now no more fight’?
You want peace? Give to Palestinians a nuclear bomb!

Pat   January 18th, 2009 8:34 pm ET

Hunk it says no such think. It says that both sides have pointed the blame on the other as to who started first.

harvey   January 18th, 2009 8:35 pm ET

How sad....

Israel leaves Gaza 2005. Border crossings open. Chance for Palestinians to build a state of their own. (No occupation no Jews or Israelis in Gaza).

2009. Hamas wants Israel to leave Gaza. Hamas wants Israel to open border crossings. Gaza is in pieces, suffering everywhere....

Hamas inflicted so much suffering on its own people, only to achieve putting them back at best into the same situation which they enjoyed in 2005 previously without any dead, casualties or wounded on any side.

How bloody stupid. How bloody pointless. All that suffering, all that pain for what??????

There's no victory....just sadness as terror has begat destruction. Victory...how can Hamas claim victory as it's leaders hide in their bunkers under the rubble of Gaza. Truth is nothing has been achieved by the senseless rocketting of Israel except misery and despair inflicted on both sides.

Maybe, just maybe from this destruction there will come a new effort so as we can live side by side. Building instead of destroying.

Chernor Jalloh   January 18th, 2009 8:36 pm ET

mohammed gharbawi,I donot believe in war.Suppose the Israelis dismantle all the out posts and draw it boundry and stop blaming Hamas for not recognising the state of Israel.I think there is a grotesque of fallacy here given by the Israeli government that because Hamas prefers terror they are doing everything to break their backs.Mhamoud Abbas is seen as a honest peace broker with the Israelis.He was invited at the annapolice conference to talk peace,but in the end he wasnot giving anything in return.I do blame the Palestinians themselves for their deep divisions and infighting.They must confront the enemy either through dialogue or the sound of the guns.They have no other opions.They must stay under one roof.Life at the West bank is miserable as walls are builts on their lands that seperates families and more and more illegal settlements are being built.What a negotiation is that?Israel want to drive the Palestinians away from their lands and if something is not done about it Iam afraid everyone will have to leave in refugee camps.Obama will never bring peace to the Palestinain people as long as he supports Zionists in Israel.

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 8:37 pm ET

Roscoe,

What about the economist and the guardians!!!, they are Palestinians too? .

You wish to close your eyes is up to you and it was addressed to Pat and not to you.

You are free

Pat   January 18th, 2009 8:40 pm ET

Many fo the arab supporters call the israelis murderers and say how can they target women and children. I don't agree that Isarel does that. But if i remeber well, I've seen no compassion by those same arabs when children in Isarel were injured and killed during some of the attacks in the past or when over 3000 people died 9/11. On the contrary, weren't they dancing and smiling about the deaths? Or is it their way to mourn and show grief? That's quite hypocritical isn't it?

Pat   January 18th, 2009 8:43 pm ET

Roscoe, are you Israeli?

harvey   January 18th, 2009 8:43 pm ET

How sad….

Israel leaves Gaza 2005. Border crossings open. Chance for Palestinians to build a state of their own. (No occupation no Jews or Israelis in Gaza).

2009. Hamas wants Israel to leave Gaza. Hamas wants Israel to open border crossings. Gaza is in pieces, suffering everywhere….

Hamas inflicted so much suffering on its own people, only to achieve putting them back at best into the same situation which they enjoyed in 2005 previously without any dead, casualties or wounded on any side.

How bloody stupid. How bloody pointless. All that suffering, all that pain for what??????

There’s no victory….just sadness as terror has begat destruction. Victory…how can Hamas claim victory as it’s leaders hide in their bunkers under the rubble of Gaza. Truth is nothing has been achieved by the senseless rocketting of Israel except misery and despair inflicted on both sides.

Maybe, just maybe from this destruction there will come a new effort so as we can live side by side. Building instead of destroying.

mahmoud jboor   January 18th, 2009 8:44 pm ET

to ROSCOE.......

yes arabs and israelies must accept responsibility and go for solution.....but israel never accept peace...we have arab summit initiative(2002) declared in beirut , and we heard no response from israel..!!

of course US has major influence in the continuation of this mess !!
all administrations didnt act evenly and honestly on the contrary they always stood behind israel...we can keep talking throughout this blog with no use.....these are facts documented &recorded in the dep. of secretary of state

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 8:44 pm ET

Pat,

No my dear it says Israel broke the ceasefire and that it was holding for six month until Israel fires – an apparent pretext in order to protect its soldiers from being kidnapped – and it show you two more sources are confirming that Israel broke the ceasefire .

Solomon   January 18th, 2009 8:45 pm ET

this criminal state that is called Israel must pay the price for the genocide that happened in Gaza.
I am waiting for the day Israeli mothers pay the price for the crimes that their children inflict on the Palestinians..

I hope that this Israeli pig that is captured I hope that he is one of the dead in the Israeli attacks on Gaza.

Palestine for ever.

Libra   January 18th, 2009 8:45 pm ET

There's no sorrow because Israeli don't make such a fuss one is killed. Only Palestinian women cry and make a big scene for the TV. Isn't that what Israel have accused of Palestinian women grieving their lost child? Israeli women keep quiet and they don't show emotion. So we respect that too.

Roscoe   January 18th, 2009 8:46 pm ET

No, Portuguese

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 8:49 pm ET

Pat,

All this people killed who make 40% are women s and children s and still you say you don't believe that Israel is targeting them .... you want Nagasaki to make you believe ?

Its really too much of you ...

Pat   January 18th, 2009 8:50 pm ET

harvey, a few others earlier have said the same thing that we don't understand this encompasing feeling of revenge. why not try to be more productive, build rather than destroy, educate rather than indoctrinate, aspire to raising healthy and confident kids. Most responses were either that they ahve no choice, that I have a typical westerner unrealsitic opinion and that I have to understand that nothing can be resolved as long as Isarel still exists. I just don't get that. There were chances of peace but somehow Hate always won. It would have been a building block in 2005. I don't get it. how can you have children and think that destruction is the only way.

Bill   January 18th, 2009 8:52 pm ET

Solomon -

There was no genocide. Look up the meaning of the word.

harvey   January 18th, 2009 8:52 pm ET

And it is the senseless, stupid, rabid, poisonous hatred of Solomon, Mohammed, the Prof and all their gruesome gang, who will always hijack peace....

How easy to pursue hatred from the safety of their cosy homes in the West, urging "resistance" and death to us here in Israel and Gaza.

The challenge is mending and building not destruction and death.

At best we are back at the same state of play as existed in 2005 when we left Gaza. Just with a lot more dead and rerrified on both sides.

You stupid, ignorant fools. How dare you encourage and espouse death over life.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 8:52 pm ET

Obviously not such a pretect when you have a kidnapped soldier like Gilad Shalit. Seems pretty reasonable

Beny   January 18th, 2009 8:53 pm ET

Chernor! I missed you! An Israeli-bashing Arab you can actually talk to!

"as walls are builts on their lands that seperates families and more and more illegal settlements are being built"

Remember how it was before the wall? Every week a bus went off kablooey. Hundreds dead. I should have died twice by now. We tried to stop the suicide bombings peacefully- the Oslo pact- and got a Nobel Peace Prize and even more exploding buses. Ever since operation "Shieldwall" that entered West Bank to stay there and the building of the wall, these suicide bombings dropped dramatically. Not for lack of trying, I assure you, (14 bombings planned as we speak-statistics from Intel. days- and each will be stopped by Shin Bet).

Stop sending suicide bombers, and we'll open up the wall.

"illegal settlements are being built"

Tell me, how is settling on land YOU gambled away in a war YOU declared, illegal? In a same way one could say that Poland, annexing lots of German land after WW2, is illegaly populating it, and that Germans should figth this "occupation". But you don't see Germans exploding in Polish buses, do you?

Understand: the moment Nasser declared war, these lands stopped belonging to the Arabs. They are ours. On a different note, Israel, and I in it, is willing to give the Palestinians 94% of it for the "promise of peace".

"Life at the West bank is miserable "
Have you been to the West Bank? With all the Israeli and UN money spent there, even though it is still developing and not comfy, life under Abbas is much better than under Hamas in Gaza. And you hate him because "Israel bribes him"?

You love the Palestinians, I see that. Can't you see what Hamas are doing to them?

Solomon   January 18th, 2009 8:56 pm ET

Bill.

it is Genocide in every language in the world. over 7000 killed and wounded in 20 days of bombardment..

if these killed are Jews you would call that a Holocaust..

Palestine for ever.

Libra   January 18th, 2009 8:57 pm ET

How can a people feel secure if they are under constant watch by their enemies? Every walk is watched, every word is heard, every call denied, every attempt to survive dismissed. Any human living in constant fear and oppression, as the Palestinians in Gaza are, will only feel more despair and hate towards their occupier. It has gotten to the point where any good deed by either side is worth notice or appreciated.

Bill   January 18th, 2009 8:58 pm ET

All civilian death in Gaza at attributable to Hamas cowards firing from crowded civilain areas, using human shields, and hiding weapons and ammuntion in mosques. All of these are war crimes. Israel was going out of its way to target Hamas. Too bad Hamas has so little regard for Palestinian life.

It was Hamas intention to maximize civilian casualties to play the victim when, as usual, they are the aggressor. The world now sees through this ploy.

Perhaps the Palestinians will elect a government that seeks peace not a government that would rather sacrifice its civilian population in a vain attempt to hurt Israel. I do not have high hopes for them. They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 8:59 pm ET

Hunk, There is no technology that allows any military to distinguish who is Hammas and who is a civilians when the Hammas are within these populations. so no they are not targeting civilians. Hammas is deliberately endangering their own people. If Hammas cared they would not be hiding among the children and women now would they? And what do you think israel should do, question each indiviual to make sure they are Hammas before shooting. Hammas should have placed their kids out of harm's way. And don't try to say there was no place to go. If Hammas wanted to they could have. But they prefered to do it this way.

Roscoe   January 18th, 2009 9:00 pm ET

mahmoud jboor January 18th, 2009 2044 GMT

to ROSCOE…….

yes arabs and israelies must accept responsibility and go for solution…..but israel never accept peace…we have arab summit initiative(2002) declared in beirut , and we heard no response from israel..!!

of course US has major influence in the continuation of this mess !!
all administrations didnt act evenly and honestly on the contrary they always stood behind israel…we can keep talking throughout this blog with no use…..these are facts documented &recorded in the dep. of secretary of state
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I realize that there has always been outside influences, no doubt. But that has not led to any resolution to the conflict in 60 years!

You speak of the 2002 Arab summit, but hear no response from Israel. Well, you can't just simply sit back and wait, do nothing. You just can't wait for someone else to step in and fix it- it won't happen!

They need to stop being stupid! They can't continue to do the same thing over and over and expect to get a different result! It's simply insanity!!

The Arab community needs to speak with one voice and resolve the conflict with Israel!

Beny   January 18th, 2009 9:00 pm ET

Turk, please describe the "occupation" you like to repeat so much. Really- I want to know: what are we doing to deserve this title?

Solomon   January 18th, 2009 9:02 pm ET

All civilian death in Gaza at attributable to Hamas

Bill

and all jews. killed at the holocaust were killed by fellow Jews Stupid.

Bill   January 18th, 2009 9:03 pm ET

Solomon – YOU ARE A LIAR. Show me one news report that says 7000 people were killed in this war. Just one.

You can't do it, can you, LIAR? You are just more proof that Muslims are incapable of telling the truth.

Obviously you don't know how to use a dictionary either. A genocide is when an entire people is wiped out or nearly wiped out. Are all the Palestinians gone? Nope. The only thing that is gone is your ability to tell the truth.

Solomon   January 18th, 2009 9:05 pm ET

here is the stupid Zionist asking again to describe occupation.

Once more stupid Zionist look at the dictionary you fool.

Palestine for ever.

Bill   January 18th, 2009 9:05 pm ET

Solomon -

Besides being a LIAR, you have no concept of logic. The Jews weren't killed because the Germans were using them as human shields. The Germans were trying to exterminate them. No one is tryin to exterminate the Palestinians, except maybe Hamas.

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 9:06 pm ET

The Israeli strategy is to bring settlers from across the sea and put them in a place called Asklan and change the name to Ashkalon and then ask the Palestinians to negotiate with those settlers .... the Zionist Israelis knows how to have fire for their endless war.

The come and cry we are victim's and we a small country that wants to live on peace while they are occupying the very land they speak on to of it, then ask them where was your great grand father buried .... he will tell you in New york and how this land belong to you .... he will tell you it was promised by god and a British officer made that come true .

Any man on the whole world will buy that story ..... in the 21st century.

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 9:06 pm ET

Bill
have you seen them (the hamas killed fighters); to my knowledge, your soldiers did not enter the cities and ashkinazi did not allow journalists.
enlighten us with your sources please.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 9:08 pm ET

Israeli kids are also paying the price Solomon. They are living in fear of missiles having very little time to find a safe room. It is becoming , for these kids, 'normal' to live under these circumstances. But I haven't seen Israelis drowning the words kill the palistinian in their heads every day. No they don't, yet they would also have a reason as they will also have a traumatised generation(s), n'est ce pas? But that is the difference, they chose not to indoctrinate their kids, for the sake of the future.

Beny   January 18th, 2009 9:10 pm ET

Hunk,

For the first rocket in June 21st claimed responsiblity a new organization called "Badr Forces". The IDF now knows for sure that is is only a platoon of the Azz-a-Deen al-Kassam brigades, military arm of Hamas.

Also, digging that tunnel to kidnap Israelis is ALSO a blatant violation of the cease-fire.

Many violations by Hamas, and only then IDF attacked that tunnel.

Ever since the attack, the IDF halted its actions COMPLETELY for 2 months. The rockets, however, continued uninterrupted at full speed.

Keys   January 18th, 2009 9:12 pm ET

Bill, ur right. Solomon's been known to be one of the Top 5 biggest liars on this blog and claims the facts are wrong, not him!!!!

The other Top 5 Biggest Liars on this blog are Hunk, Mohammed G, the Turk and Professor.

They'd rather "martyr" the truth than let it live.

Solomon   January 18th, 2009 9:12 pm ET

Bill
there was no extermination of Jews by the Nazis there are more non Jews that were killed by the Nazis what is so special about Jews?

Palestine for ever.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

Before you say that palistinians don't have those facilities, well instead of arming the hammas maybe they could have also thought of protection for the sake of their kids. If they can build tunnels they could have certainly built safe rooms for the innocents. Especially if they thought Israel is such a threat to their existence

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 9:14 pm ET

Pat
Mohamed G, from what I understand though, it is the Hammas that is hiding where their sons and daughters are and their wives. they run and hide in tunnels while the civilains are on the surface. Your point is…?
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once again, how do you know they were hiding?
1- your soldiers dont have the balls to enter cities and look for alkassam.
2- you did not allow journalists in to see whether our men were hiding or not.

you say you use logic, dont you.
its the occupation stupid.

Solomon   January 18th, 2009 9:14 pm ET

"Israeli kids are also paying the price Solomon."

Pat

I like you to say that when 425 Jewish children are killed.

Palestine for ever.

Beny   January 18th, 2009 9:14 pm ET

Solomon,

If you are unable to describe the very "occupation" you use as an excuse to wage endless war on Israel...

Then your claims of "it's the "occupation"" are just as credible as my explanation that it is all because of your cat.

It's the cat.....stupid.

P.S. "Zionist"? Thanks for the compliment! I'm really flattered to know someone appreciates the time I dedicate to Israel

harvey   January 18th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

Pat,

I do have kids. We try and set up games of football/soccer with Palestinian kids. We mix the teams up. Jews and Arabs intermingling. Soon the kids forget whether a Jew or an Arab passed the ball, they're just playing. Small beginnings. Of course the Prof pooh poohs this. yet only when we learn to look at each other as fellow people will we be able to build.

Meanwhile I have to send my boys to the army...becuase sadly the killers hijack the peace process...

believe me I would rather my kids and all the kids play soccer together than war upon one another. And yes, the challenge when terrible things happen (which they do on both sides) and death strikes, is to try and heal rather than let the hatred consume us.

I yearn for peace. I yearn for the day that we can respect each other's differences and diversities.

Unfortunately though, as long as the hate mongers are able to abuse, bully and use their own people, the senseless violence will continue...

The prof and his hate filled legions may mack and ridicule but I'll continue believing what I believe. I know that in the end peace will prevail....sadly though till that time comes, my boys will have to go to the army....

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 9:17 pm ET

Pat,

That s the only reason you come with .... its a collateral damage .... there were kids less than 3 years old shot by pullets and many of them died while sleeping on their beds ..... a Gatling cannon on a chopper could have finished that neatly .... the Americana's entered Fallujah and didn't do one tenth of this much of killing ..... so don't tell me this .... i been to Fallujah and the Americans broke from house to house and finished the job .... Israel wanted to kill every body and its ethnic cleansing nothing less .

Its cowardly actions , you cant hide the sun ...

Pat   January 18th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

wow solomon, where have you gotten your education about the Holocaust. Even living in a country that hates to admit what happened here as they are ashamed of what happened, they're honest enough to relate the facts. jeez man you should read a bit more. learn German maybe and read newpapers of that time, the principle target group were the Jewish people. secondly homosexuals, some artists and those who refused to abide by ideology of that time

Roscoe   January 18th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

Hunk January 18th, 2009 2049 GMT

Pat,

All this people killed who make 40% are women s and children s and still you say you don’t believe that Israel is targeting them …. you want Nagasaki to make you believe ?

Its really too much of you …
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Hunk-- let's think about this now!!!!!!

I understand there are appro. 20,000 Hamas activists, Ok!!

There's 1.5 million Palsetinians in Gaza, Ok!!!

That means there's 1 Hamas activist for every 75 civilians in Gaza, OK!

That's 1 out of 75, right!!!

If the Israelis were targeting the civilians how is it possible that that 60% of the casualties were Hamas activists????

Explain that??? If the Israelis were just shooting at random and killing everyone in sight, how is it possible that 60% of the casualties were Hamas.

1300 casualties- 40% women and children- 520
60% Hamas -- 780

You simply make no sense when you claim that the Israelis have targeted the women and children when only 1 out of 75 is Hamas!

You do the math!

Joan   January 18th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

Libra,

Earlier you wanted to talk about Obama. Am I correct in interpreting that you support Obama, or at least are hopeful about his ability to bring about change?

Beny   January 18th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Harvey, that's a great thing you are doing! I truly admire you. Peace comes from connecting the children, while the adults are busy firing rockets.

What you are doing-organizing soccer between Israelis and Palestinian- it's a wonderful thing. Keep up the good work.

Ah. I remember when I was six, my cousin went to the army and I asked if I would have to go too, mom replied that hopefully there will be no need for an army when I grow up.

Finished 3.5 years in the Intelligence a few years back and still holding up that vision. For my little brother now, if not for me.

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Chernor Jalloh
israel wors on a daily basis to change the demographic map in the west bank .jerusalem changes everyday; colonies get bigger and bigger (they call this natural evolution of colonies, see the crap); there is a wall that divides palestinian land into two, there a daily incursions to kill and imprison palestinians;
And ABBAS DRINKS AND EATS WITH OLMERT.
CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS?

Pat   January 18th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Yes Harvey I can imagine it is hard. there is a summer camp where I live who brings together isareli and Palistinian kids. At first it's a bit tense but within a week they play games togetehr, play football, do crafts. It tells you how much environment does to a child and how it can completely change the general scenario.

Debra   January 18th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

Pat, you can't talk to these people. They want to argue and say the same thing over and over and over and accomplish nothing. Go home, talk to Hamas, your people. We understand what they are saying but what are they doing about it, themselves?

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

Beny,

Why don't you blame all terrorist actions happening on the whole world and endorse it for your favor and take it against the resistance, plain and simple .

You using the word only " Only" means a lot to me , we planted the seed.

You bride the sin = an Arabic proverb for those who do sins and tooooo proud to confess it.

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

Beny
The problem is not centered around the defintion of occupation.
as i told you before: occupation is occupation.
i have many definitions: legal, historical, etc........

the real question is the fillowing:
suppose hamas ackowledges your right to "exist", will you do two things:
1- withdraw to the pre-1967 land.
2- accept the return of all expelled palestinians living in camps now.

this is the real question.

Beny   January 18th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

Mohammed,

Abbas eats and drinks with Olmert and gets billions into West Bank infrastructure (lifestyle much better than in Gaza), and managed to negotiate most of the 1967 lands, along with Jerusalem.

Hamas shoot and bomb at Olmert and dragged the Gazans into a painful, devastating war and are nowhere near to their vision of destroying Israel.

Who should I vote for? The nice terrorist that helps me, or the one that kills me and uses me as a human shield? Hmmm...

harvey   January 18th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

Thanks Beny,

Appreciate it! God keep all our kids safe on both sides and maybe one day we'll just have to worry about what soccer side they're on.

So yeah, we'll keep the soccer going. And sadly we'll keep sending our boys to the army. When will the Professor and his hatred pushing legions realise that peace is worth more than hatred.

I would rather concede every dialogue on this stupid blog than lose one life, Arab or Jew...

Beny   January 18th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

Mohammed,

We agreed to what you said long before there was any Hamas.

1) 1967 borders? We are willing to give 94% of those and other land. Why is Ariel more important to you than Umm al-Fahm? We offered 94% of the 1967 lands, quite geerous considering how they belong to us. ABBAS REFUSED.

2) We will not make them Israeli citizens, if that's what you ask (tell me of a country that gave citizenship to people who shot rockets at it and exploded in buses). However, I don't see why will they still have to live in refugee camps when the will have a state of their own.

Is that what you meant by occupation? Or is there anything else?

Pat   January 18th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

Debra, I' stubborn I guess. I'm a mom of three and I can't understand let alone validate the reasoning behind creating your kids to be filled with hatred. You have to look ahead. I see people around me, muslim and some Jews and they live peacefully here. The Jewish people I knwo here are happy and balanced. They could easily still hate germans and Austrians but yet they remember what happened here without hating every austrian and german. That's a pretty amazing feat in my eyes, living in the country where they were kiled by thousands just because they existed really. and the many muslims here from ex-yugoslavia are friends with their former serbian enemies. Their parents may not be rejoicing about it but they don't teach them to hate because of what happened to them.

Chernor Jalloh   January 18th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

Beny trust me I donot love Palestinians morethan Jews.According to history my ancestors were from the MiddleEast and I have both Arab and Jews blood.I love jews people because of their intelligency and hard working.I have always admired them.The problem is that the ongoing war often makes me very angry.Israelis are maltreating Palestinians everyday.The army is doing horrible things to ordinary Palestinians so I want it to stop.

When the war was declared by the late president Abdul Nasser of Egypt which more land was lost to the Israelis were due to nonstop driving away of the owners of the land.At that time they were poorly equipted and the Israelis were well trained and received arms supply from the then USSR now Russia.So,despite of that the UN intervention was one-sided and still the Israelis are pushing off the Palestinians from their lands.Iamnot here to bash Israel,I see them as occupying people on Palestininian lands.Suicide bombings could only be averted if Ariel Sharon was willing to make peace with the Palestinians.He never wanted to do so because he had a support from the US and the EU.The Western powers have been sympathetic with the Israelis over the holocaust and any objections to them will not go down well with them.

The conditions in the West Bank is a living hell and even Mr Abbas has commented on that including Mr Barguti.Beny you talk of a wall to prevent suicide attacks from Hamas,but they can fire rockets into Israel.If you can remember what I was telling you from a long time now,the only thing to stop the firing of rockets is ending the occupation.Negotiating with Hamas should be ignored.Iam not an Arab and I know who Arabs are having lived together.Iam writing from a humanitarian perspective.I condemn Hamas' actions against Israelis as much as I condemn the Israelis.So you can accuse me of deleberately criticising your government.I have no problem with the Israeli civilians.When war breaksout it is the citizens who pay the first price of the tragedy.Thank you Beny and I wish you the best of luck.

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

Roscoe,

You said:

"If the Israelis were targeting the civilians how is it possible that that 60% of the casualties were Hamas activists????"

What i said :

"All this people killed who make 40% are women s and children s and still you say you don’t believe that Israel is targeting them …. you want Nagasaki to make you believe ?".

40 % are women s and children s means the rest are Resistance ????

You are a dumped fool and i never thought I been talking to someone so low level to this much. get lost

harvey   January 18th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

Mohammed, Prof and all the other hate mongers....

Sit in your ivory towers. Wish death,destruction and annhilation on us Jews, while watching it being visited so painfully on the land and the people you profess to love.

What has all your hate achieved????Broken buildings, dead bodies, little children killed....

Gaza is worse off now than in 2005 when we left. Then the border crossings were open. You had the chance to build your own state...you chose to try and destroy ours.

Look what you have achieved. NOTHING but DESPAIR.

Your people deserve better....

PEACE YOU STUPID, HATE FILLED, WAR MONGERING, BLOOD THIRSTY IDIOTS is whhat we all need to concentrate on.

Lay aside blame and recrimination. Sadly till you do, we will all pay the price.

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

beny

most of the 1967 lands, along with Jerusalem.
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this sis the trick "most".

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

harvey
you are right but its the occupation stupid.

Chernor Jalloh   January 18th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Please I was saying that negotiating with Hamas should not be ignored and that will help bring peace to both sides.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

'most' viz. 94%. Isn't that better than what is going on now? I don't get you people. with that you could have proven yourselves. You could have created so many things. think about the possibilities

Debra   January 18th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

Pat, We understand what they are saying. I am not sure I would want one of them living by me, if they feel that way. how would they take it out on me? I just feel, if they have a problem with their country and the governments, and the UN can't or won't do anything about it, then they themselves do something. There is more suffering in the world than just over there in Israel and Gaza. they don't talk about that. You keep up the good work Pat. Tell them like it is.

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

its true that jews constitute one of the most ancient populations in the world. They have been living in many many countries of the world before even the coming of subsequent populations.
this is a historical fact.
However, according to this logic israel should be "the world" or most of it. whu did you chose palestine where jews were a small minority?
I DONT NEED AN ANSWER BY THE WAY BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER.THIS A RHETORICAL QUESTION.

Libra   January 18th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

@Joan
Obama is still unclear of foreign policy. I'm not expecting too much change with that. He'll be great for USA only. Economy.

Roscoe   January 18th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

Hunk January 18th, 2009 2140 GMT

Roscoe,

You said:

“If the Israelis were targeting the civilians how is it possible that that 60% of the casualties were Hamas activists????”

What i said :

You are a dumped fool and i never thought I been talking to someone so low level to this much. get lost

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Typical response from someone who realizes they are wrong and have nothing useful to add!

Sorry about your luck!

harvey   January 18th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

So Mohammed, I am right...?????

What happened to your wanting to buy me an oven with all the switches? To wipe me out and burn my children? To finish what Hitler started?

Though I find your views despicable never once have I said that I want to destroy you or yours. Never once have I said that you are not worthy of life or deserve extermination. Truth is all I wish is that you and your like will find it in your heart to recognise me and mine as fellows and equals in the pursuit of peace.

Till that day comes, my boys will continue to go into the army.

Peace be upon you fellow descendant of Abraham. And may the god that we all pray to give us all the wisdom to trealise that we are on this earth for only a short time and that we should use this time to love and not to hate.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

Bonne nuit! Gute nacht! Good night !laila tov, beny

Chernor Jalloh   January 18th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

Solomon,please never get so angry inwhich you have to insult someone who is supporting Israel.We are making our views to each other whether we like it or not Israel is the key to all the problems if it wants peace with Palestinians obviously it can but the US is behind them come what may.

Beny aurevoir y adios amigo too though you never addresed me.

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Roscoe,

Where the elderly fits in the 60% here and the kids who are older than 10 years they are not civilians?

You still want to show your foolishness .... you really disappointed some loggers who say Jews are intelligent but not on your case, I suppose.

Take an online IQ test my advice to you ....

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

BENY
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS 94 PERCENT. YOU MOVE YOUR ASS TOTALLY FROM THE LAND AND YOU LET PEOPLE RETURN TO THEIR PLACES.IF NOT THE DRAMA WILL GO ON.

harvey   January 18th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

So Mohammed, I am right…?????

What happened to your wanting to buy me an oven with all the switches? To wipe me out and burn my children? To finish what Hitler started?

Though I find your views despicable never once have I said that I want to destroy you or yours. Never once have I said that you are not worthy of life or deserve extermination. Truth is all I wish is that you and your like will find it in your heart to recognise me and mine as fellows and equals in the pursuit of peace.

Till that day comes, my boys will continue to go into the army.

Peace be upon you fellow descendant of Abraham. And may the god that we all pray to give us all the wisdom to trealise that we are on this earth for only a short time and that we should use this time to love and not to hate.

Debra   January 18th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

Get a passport, go home, make a difference, help your people!!!!!!

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

HARVEY
Peace be upon you fellow descendant of Abraham. And may the god that we all pray to give us all the wisdom to trealise that we are on this earth for only a short time and that we should use this time to love and not to hate.
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i like this part. As if you havent kill anybody recently. this is what we call killing with cold blood.
by the way, as you disclose this pink discourse, kids are crying with pain in hospitals.
its the occupation stupid.

harvey   January 18th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

MORE HOUMOS LESS HAMAS

I prefer that we eat together rather than destroy eachother....

Answer the question Mohammed, fellow descendant of Abraham.
Still want to buy me an oven, still want to burn me and all my children, still want to finish what Hitler started??????

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

harvey
since you said last time that you are ridiculously wealthy, could you lend me some money because i need to buy as many ovens as i can.

Chernor Jalloh   January 18th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

mohammed gharbawi,Ido understand your point so I want to make it clear to all of those who write on this blog that I can see most of the things that are happening in the Middle East.Mr Abbas is seen as a complict to the cause of the Palestinian people and he should stop that immediately.He shouldnot think that sweet talks with Mr Olmert and Us presidents will solve the problems on the ground.He has to be serious if not more blood will be shed in the near future.

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 10:11 pm ET

During the electoral campaign, Obama said:" if im elected as the president of the US, the first thing I ll do is accept jerusalem as the capital of Israel3
dear friends, dont expect something from that guy.instead do your best to support our resistance.

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 10:11 pm ET

Moss,

Not all the women s you show on the Video are Muslims and the man you show on the beginning of the Video is Afgani not Iranians , the narrated hadith is wrong as no women wipe the dust from her husband feat with her face ... but the real Hadith speaks of value of the man to his family , which is a common thing in all families all over the world.

Adultery is a relation outside marriage that can be approved by four women s and witnessing the real thing – penetration – by bear eyes.

Don t mix Muslims and Islam nor Jews with Judaism or Christan with Christianity , i hear of many wife abuse in the most democratic societies in the whole world.

harvey   January 18th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

Of course Mohammed...

We can go into business together. We'll buy ovens to make

Pita for the

MORE HOUMOS LESS HAMAS campaign.

Wonderful idea dear boy. Arab and Jew working together for peace..

Amazing....

Knew you would come round to my way of thinking.

MORE HOUMOS LESS HAMAS (stupid).

Pat   January 18th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

Moss, I can't believe what i just saw. Women circumcision I witnessed first hand in Africa but all these images...I'm repulsed

mahmoud jboor   January 18th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

a comment on the inauguration

Mr. obama stop supporting israel weopons of mass distiruction ...!!!!

change means to look for real needs of US citizins...
change means to see the other side of story.............
united state needs to communicate with the world....
peace in the world not the interests of arms lobby.....
good luck........

Beny   January 18th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

Chernor,

I was leaving, but with your response I am obliged to stay.

1) Some historical inaccuracies: 1967 Russia was supplying Egypt. Our weaponry was bought from France. Rusia started supplying Syria in 1971 (leading to 1973 Yom-Kippur war). Arab armies combined had, in 1967, 50% more manpower, twice the tanks and 3 times the airforce. As for "well-trained"- you have the 1948 war you declared on us to thank for that.

2) "which more land was lost to the Israelis were due to nonstop driving away of the owners of the land"

If By nonstop driving away owners you mean the Palestinians, then there are two things you should know:

1) Nasser, like Hamas, did not care one whit for the Palestinians. He got arms supplies from Russia and, under the common illusion that one's army is invincible, decided to wipe out Israel once and for all. Add to that his power in holding Tiran canals and the "report" as if Israel was going to attack him...

2) From 1948 (which you declared on us) to 1967 (which you declared on us) there was no Israeli settling on lands that were not Israeli. From 1967, too, there was no Israeli settling on lands that were not Israeli.

Since 1920-1948 , we did not drive anyone out. We settled beside them, and the UN agreed for two states. We agreed and resumed building. They disagreed and resumed fighting. You're blaming us on the land they lost in 1948? I would blame Husseini.

Suicide bombings happened long before Sharon's time. The first suicide bombings came even before 1967. Blaming them on Sharon instead of the ones that blow themselves up is kinda blind.

Besides, there is this simple fact: For 60 years, countless wars and attacks and suicide bombers and rockets have shown one thing- Israel is stronger and isn't going anywhere. All the rockets gave for the Palestinians is this disastrous war.

On the other hand, when even terrorists put on a facade of peace like Arafat in 1993, they get everything they want and more.

Abbas talks to Israel and gets aid and money to West Bank, as well as great (to him, not to me) advancements in negotiations.
Hamas shoot at Israel and all they get in return is bombs.

For Israel, btw, it's the other way around: whenever we negotiate for peace we get booby traps like the Oslo pact, which lasted for just enough to give the PLO autonomous rule and land (west Bank) they wanted. Then, after Arafat got what he wanted, buses resumed exploding.

On the other hand, whenever we don't hesitate to fight back it brings us peace- 1967, 1973- ever since Syria is scared of us and Egypt and Jordan, let me remind you, only agreed to peace after we kicked their bottoms.

I am still willing to give lands for peace, but "peace", not the "promise of peace". I want real military incentives to guarantee my safety, and that includes the wall, the IDF patrols in the West Bank (at least as a start, before the Palestinian police is on their feet to replace IDF), the checkpoints...everything. I am not giving up one grain of sand until I can ensure my safety.

Goodnight. Talk to you tomorrow.

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 10:16 pm ET

moss
we wont follow you in insulting religion. the problem we have with you is not religious; it is political.
its the occupation stupid.

harvey   January 18th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

Good night and shalom to all.

Blessings and peace to you all.

Mohammed, find the love in your heart and let the hatred go.....

Professor, wish peace upon the world, insread of hatred in perpetuity.

MORE HOUMOS LESS HAMAS.

LOVE NOT WAR!!!!!(stupid)

Shalom, Sallam and Peace.

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

Harvey,

Don t make joke of peace, you will need it . and the future will see that Hamas will be Ten Hamas and the rockets will be not grad but grad 2 3 4 , the whole point we tried on this blog is to deliver a massage that this destruction will store up further attacks against Israel and next time it will be more deadly ....

Sorry that i have to tell you that history repeats it self and which history will come to your mind as you read these lines is entirely up to you.

Joan   January 18th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

Obama can't speak too much about foreign policy until after Jan. 20th.

However, have you noticed that he talks about working together not violence. And the people he admires are uniters not fighters. I have never heard him use the word 'fight' in the context of using it as a means of overcoming anything. He always talks about working together to overcome challenges.

Many people throughout the world are hopeful about his presidency. I hope they are really listening to his messages, and example.

Solomon   January 18th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

Pat..

I learned about the holocaust in Gaza
.
what makes you think that the one that is Committed by the Nazi is more horrible than what your new Nazis are doing in Gaza.

I still think that the holocaust if it really happened was used to occupy Palestine..

Palestine for ever.

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 10:22 pm ET

in fact, im with all wars of liberation in the world..some people want to poison us with insults of islaù. we should not react; our struggle is political , not religious. if they want this debate, let them go to islamic websites.

Roscoe   January 18th, 2009 10:22 pm ET

Hunk January 18th, 2009 2158 GMT

Roscoe,

Where the elderly fits in the 60% here and the kids who are older than 10 years they are not civilians?

You still want to show your foolishness …. you really disappointed some loggers who say Jews are intelligent but not on your case, I suppose.

Take an online IQ test my advice to you ….

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Sorry that you're still confused.

You'll need to take a math class or you'll never grasp the concept .

You are even further confused if you assume that I am Jewish or Israeli as I am neither. But then, I guess that's more than you can handle ! I don't want to overload you mind with too many facts all at once!

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

Roscoe
your stupidity reaches high proportions. either you are still a teen, or you are retard.

Moss   January 18th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

Two weeks after the Al Durah hoax was publicized as fact, garnering worldwide condemnation of Israel in diplomatic, media, religious and human rights circles, two IDF soldiers made a wrong turn and inadvertently wandered into Ramallah, an Arab enclave under the control of the Palestinian Authority. The consequences of their fatal error are well known: they were tortured and beaten to death in the Palestinian Authority police station, and their lifeless bodies thrown out of the station’s second story window to a throng of men howling, Allahu-Akbar—God is great! They commenced to dismember and disembowel the soldiers’ corpses, and then passed the entrails on a platter to a hysterical mob numbering in the thousands who rejoiced as they literally chewed and swallowed the remains of their hated Jews. What is lesser known is that while eating the flesh and blood of their victims, in satisfaction and triumph, the good citizens of Ramallah chanted, not only, Allah hu-Akbar—but the name of Mohamed al Durah! The supposed “death” of the child had become a pretext for revenge.

Roscoe   January 18th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

Solomon January 18th, 2009 2221 GMT

Pat..

I learned about the holocaust in Gaza
.
what makes you think that the one that is Committed by the Nazi is more horrible than what your new Nazis are doing in Gaza.

I still think that the holocaust if it really happened was used to occupy Palestine..

Palestine for ever.
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Solomon, you're so right!!!!

It was a conspiracy between Hitler and the Grand Mufti !!!!

Maybe that's where you should direct your hatred. They both betrayed you!

Libra   January 18th, 2009 10:28 pm ET

@Joan
Hope is all we have.

harvey   January 18th, 2009 10:29 pm ET

Hunk,

I live here.

And if you read my messages you will see how serious I am about peace.
I mean every word i say about peace.
Have you ever played soccer with a group of Arab and Israeli kids.
Have you ever run a camp dedicated to Arab and Jewish kids mixing with eachother?
Well I have.
And that gives me hope.
Not the vile rhetoric that emanates from your pen, or the tghreats of buying me an oven with alll the switches to finish off what Hitler started.
Its much harder to make peace than preach hatred. At least when I go before my maker, hand on heart I can say that I tried to bring a little bit of peace to our land.
What can you say?
So spread your vile message....I don't care. I am here, in Israel and I am doing something more constructive.....
MORE HOUMOS LESS HAMAS.
ITS SPREADING HATRED THAT DESTROYS HOPE STUPID.

Moss   January 18th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

France 2 television on Monday broadcast part of an amateur video presented in a voiceover commentary as showing the fallout from an Israeli air strike on a civilian area in Gaza on January 1.
Dating from September 2005, the video, which has been widely circulated on the Internet, actually shows civilians wounded in the accidental explosion of a pick-up truck loaded with Hamas rockets at a rally in Jabaliya refugee camp.
Alerted by the French website LePost.fr, France 2 admitted its mistake yesterday and made a formal apology to viewers in its midday news broadcast.
“It is an error on our behalf. There was an internal malfunction in the checking of information,” a France 2 executive told AFP.
The France 2 article (in French) is here: Vidéo intox de Gaza sur France 2: ‘Ça a gueulé dans la rédaction’.
All over the world, the mainstream media is suffering from these kinds of “internal malfunctions in the checking of information.”

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

Pat zionists have expoited the holocaust . whhy shouldnt we?

harvey   January 18th, 2009 10:31 pm ET

Goodnight guys and once again PEACE to all of you and all of us.

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

Roscue,

Thank god you are not a Jew but simply a dumped fool .

You made me laugh

mohammed gharbawi   January 18th, 2009 10:34 pm ET

Moss
suppose this is a mistake, what about the other pictures?

Joan   January 18th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

Libra,

Hope is a big step in the right direction. Now we need some action by people who hope for peace and prosperity for all. And some inaction by people who hope otherwise.

Solomon   January 18th, 2009 10:38 pm ET

Roscoe.

there were thousands of Jews fighting in the Nazi army
.every leader have picture with Hitler. having a picture with Husseini proves nothing.

mind you if I am a Palestinian then I will work with the Germans because that would have prevented the establishment of the so called Israel. and the Jews would have been a European problem and the Palestinians would still be in their land.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

It doesn't surprise me that this was in France

Joan   January 18th, 2009 10:40 pm ET

Roscoe,

Yes. When some people on this blog don't understand, or can't counter an argument with anything intelligent, they resort to:
insults
go away
go to sleep
it's the occupation, stupid.
you are not of age
etc., etc.

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 10:41 pm ET

Harvey,

I am indulged in peace more than you think , but i simply will visit Isreal when the Palestinians have thier homeland on thier pockets and I will enter Palestine as a soldier to achieve that.

Till that time make hommes and we will support the resistance.

Pat   January 18th, 2009 10:42 pm ET

how in god's name have they exploited the holocaust?

Moss   January 18th, 2009 10:44 pm ET

The Muslim Students Association
and the Jihad Network

As revealed in documents seized by the FBI and entered as evidence in a Texas court, the Muslim Students Association is a legacy project of the Muslim Brotherhood.1 The Brotherhood is an organization formed by a Hitler-admiring Muslm named Hasan al-
Bannain Egypt in 1928.2 It was designed to function as the spearpoint of the Islamo-fascist movement and its crusade against the West.
The Brotherhood spawned al-Qaeda and Hamas.4 Its doctrines make up the core of the terrorist jihad conducted by organizations such as Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah,Hamas
and the government of Iran.4 Its agendas have been clear since its creation: infiltration, subversion and global terror with world conquest as the goal. …To establish one Islamic state of united Islamic countries, one nation under one leadership whose mission will be to reinforce adherence to the law of Allah...and the strengthening of the Islamic presence in the world arena....

Hunk   January 18th, 2009 10:46 pm ET

You see all Pro Israel here saying to each other you are right and the other saying you are right non i see say cheers each other than those, as if you are in a football match.

Moss   January 18th, 2009 10:50 pm ET

The Terrorism Awareness Project has completed our third Islamo Fascism Awareness Week, October 13-17, with 79 universities across America participating. Several international universities have also reached out to us, including campuses as far as the UK.

Our two previous IFA Weeks included demonstrations that involved thousands of college students, and it became evident how deeply embedded pro-Islamist Muslim student groups had become and how influential they were in making sure there was no meaningful dialogue on the War on Terror in our universities.
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/blog/337/islamo-fascism-awareness-week-iii-recap/

Roscoe   January 18th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

Joan January 18th, 2009 2240 GMT

That's typical on a lot of posts I visit that aren't strictly moderated.

I simply consider the source and move on!

Solomon   January 18th, 2009 11:05 pm ET

'by John Pilger,

They know that the horror now raining on Gaza has little to do with Hamas or, absurdly, "Israel's right to exist." They know the opposite to be true: that Palestine's right to exist was canceled 61 years ago and the expulsion and, if necessary, extinction of the indigenous people was planned and executed by the founders of Israel. They know, for example, that the infamous "Plan D" resulted in the murderous depopulation of 369 Palestinian towns and villages by the Haganah (Jewish army) and that massacre upon massacre of Palestinian civilians in such places as Deir Yassin, al-Dawayima, Eilaboun, Jish, Ramle and Lydda are referred to in official records as "ethnic cleansing." Arriving at a scene of this carnage, David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, was asked by a general, Yigal Allon, "What shall we do with the Arabs?" Ben-Gurion, reported the Israeli historian Benny Morris, "made a dismissive, energetic gesture with his hand and said, ‘Expel them'. The order to expel an entire population "without attention to age" was signed by Yitzhak Rabin, a future prime minister promoted by the world's most efficient propaganda as a peacemaker. The terrible irony of this was addressed only in passing, such as when the Mapan Party co-leader Meir Ya'ari noted "how easily" Israel's leaders spoke of how it was "possible and permissible to take women, children and old men and to fill the roads with them because such is the imperative of strategy … who remembers who used this means against our people during the [Second World] war … we are appalled."

Palestine for ever.

Moss   January 18th, 2009 11:38 pm ET

General Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on May 20, 2005, that "the World War II generation fought tyranny, hatred and oppression, and sacrificed much at home 'to bring hope and freedom from fear to the world.' ... He said today's generation is much the same. 'They are in the fight for freedom and an ongoing struggle against violent extremism..."

rusty   January 18th, 2009 11:38 pm ET

How would Hamas like it if Israel simply traded them missile for missile. No guidance on them, just point them toward Gaza and fire. Would they be happy with that sort of arrangement? Seriously, the world community needs to take Hamas to task for this carnage, and their choice of picking fights with Israel instead of trying to improve the living conditions of their people. The ultimate irony is, they will claim victory in this confrontation, after 3 weeks of getting pounded, and forcing thousands of innocent civilians living in Gaza to bear the brunt of it. They will come out from their secure hiding places, and start spouting their hateful ideology all over again.

Akiva Heifetz   January 18th, 2009 11:46 pm ET

Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni ducking and diving at the National Press Club – she talks like a Russian Bolshevik and looks like a bullfrog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8JE1bvar6g

livni say they dont work acording to international law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
she say they work accordint to israelian values!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SHE SAY ISRAEL IS NOT WORKING ACCORDING TO INTERNATIONAL LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and you see how USA is censoring his own reporters !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they dont let him ask questions
but let livni spaek friendly fire speaches
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

she say before israel target a place they do 90 000 phone calls !!!
to evacuate the civilians???

how she is doing 90000 phoneCalls if the phoneline in Gaza is dead ??????????????????????

....
so what is she a liar or not?

one time she say they respect international law
one thime she say they dont work acording to international law

what now ?

and what kind of magical phone has she got???????????
i also wanna get such a magic phone :)

Moss   January 18th, 2009 11:56 pm ET

A high-profile Norwegian doctor who has said the September 11 terrorists were justified in their attack is now treating patients in Gaza and is being accused of presenting “hard-core propaganda” to TV interviewers in his telling of the conflict between Hamas and Israel.

Dr. Mads Gilbert has become an unofficial advocate of the Palestinian cause, his critics say.

International media reports, including those from the BBC, CBS, CNN and FOX’s sister station Sky News, present Gilbert as an ordinary doctor.

But a look at his record shows that Gilbert, 61, is a political activist and member of the Norwegian Maoist “Red” party, and he has been involved in solidarity work for the Palestinians since the 1970s. He has criticized the international aid organization Doctors Without Borders for refusing to take sides in conflicts.

Gilbert volunteers at the Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza with the Norwegian Aid Committee (NORWAC), an aid organization funded by the Norwegian government, and he has been interviewed by the media on a variety of issues. Israeli government officials have said Hamas hides weapons in the hospital where Gilbert works.

Moss   January 18th, 2009 11:59 pm ET

The internet and terrorist propaganda.
"Perhaps the most effective way in which terrorists use the Internet is the spread of propaganda. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's al-Qaeda cell in Iraq has proven particularly adept in its use of the web, garnering attention by posting footage of roadside bombings... In Iraq, experts say terrorist propaganda videos are viewed by a large portion of society, not just those who sympathize with terrorists and insurgents. ... Evan Kohlmann, an expert in terrorists' use of the Internet, points out that propaganda films are not exclusively made in the Middle East; groups from Bosnia, Afghanistan, and Chechnya have also produced videos. Nor are videos the only form of propaganda. Some jihadi websites have even offered video games in which users as young as seven can pretend to be holy warriors killing U.S. soldiers." Eben Kaplan, Council on Foreign relations, 9 January 2009. See also CFR Daily Analysis, 9 January 2009.

Solomon   January 19th, 2009 12:01 am ET

Moss.

what is wrong with him being a supporter of Palestinians?

do you want every one to think like you and should be a supporter of the Criminal so called state of Israel.

Sarah   January 19th, 2009 12:03 am ET

I'll be suprised if it does. There are to many issues at stake an noone, even allies, or own each own elected officials are willing to look at.
From my point of view:
Isreal is looking bad, from blockaides, to media coverage to killing rock throwing protestors by shooting them in the head. Not the leg, not an arm a die due to blood loss, a head shot, not a man in westen or even easten eyes, but a boy at age 14 because he doesn't understand politics and just understands anger and self rightousness. To this "war" if it can be termed that at all. In many eyes, bombs from air planes does not equate rockets that barely hit on target. It's just one of those things a regular person can't wrap their heads around no matter how "just".
Hamas, has control but there are also factions with in factions. It is my belief that they can't hold power much longer as they have. They have not lived up to their promises to get elected. The sad part in all this is, is that while people have short memories in some, they are long. And when the next election comes along, will the people of Palestine elect someone more peaceful, or worse than Hamas as the West percieves them to be? Will the West learn that when you ask for Democracy that it works along with Diplomacy?
Israel and all those involved have made the mistake in underestimating the consiquences many times over of getting what they want in Democratic elections. Hopefully they will 'guide" Palestinian leaders instead of angering the people by their insistence of interfering only when it's convenient and not imperitive in future interests. Guide instead of asking others to Govern something that is not theirs to Govern.
Arab nations and the League have the Idea that UN is run by the West. Maybe it is. maybe it isn't. But they can't even come together as a cohesive leadership on One thing that is important to their region for economics and so forth. So while they continue to make the West a scapegoat for the issues they cannot agree on the rest of the world is seperated into Anti-semitism, and pro-semetism. More diplomacy is needed by the West to get more ME and Boarder nations on Board with in their own Sphere's. They are the ones carrying the Burden of Refugees, from the people them selves to the economics and social issues that come with it. When politics has a means to be radicalized in this global world, we all suffer for it as we can see by the Extreme Terrorist that have plagued us for more than 2 decades.

Nona   January 19th, 2009 12:43 am ET

Solomon –

I want to hear more about this comment you made:

January 18th, 2009 2238 GMT

Roscoe.

there were thousands of Jews fighting in the Nazi army

Please. Elaborate.

Pat   January 19th, 2009 12:48 am ET

There is nothing wrong being pro palistinian. there is something wrong with a newsstation saying they show the proof when they numerous times interviewed this docotor who is obviously one sides only. There is something wrong with someone who puts down 'medicins sans frontiere doctors with no border (I'm sure of the term in english) becasue they refuse to take sides. And it is criminal to say that the terrorist attacks n sept 11 was justified! Those ideals have nothing to do with this conflict alon but humanity. he is a joke, this docotor if he really stated those things. doctors with no borders have done so much around the world,,,thank god they don't take position. And the sept. 11 attacks was insane...nothing humane or just about that. What an idiot

Nona   January 19th, 2009 12:51 am ET

Good points, Pat.

In USA, we refer to the organization you mention as "Doctors Without Borders."

Pat   January 19th, 2009 1:04 am ET

Don't newsgroups check their sources. I mean you don't have to go far to find out where they come from. It woudl have been an easy case to clear up. Then BBC could have introduced the doctor sa a supporter of Palistinians but not an objective foreigner. that would have been more useful and honest. As I said there is nothing wrong with being a supporter on either side but why the cover up and present this guy as objective and unbiased. I just checked out his CV. Well, objective it's not!

Solomon   January 19th, 2009 1:07 am ET

try this.

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 1:10 am ET

Moss January 18th, 2009 2356 GMT

A high-profile Norwegian doctor who has said the September 11 terrorists were justified in their attack is now treating patients in Gaza and is being accused of presenting “hard-core propaganda” to TV interviewers in his telling of the conflict between Hamas and Israel.

Dr. Mads Gilbert has become an unofficial advocate of the Palestinian cause, his critics say.

International media reports, including those from the BBC, CBS, CNN and FOX’s sister station Sky News, present Gilbert as an ordinary doctor.

But a look at his record shows that Gilbert, 61, is a political activist and member of the Norwegian Maoist “Red” party, and he has been involved in solidarity work for the Palestinians since the 1970s. He has criticized the international aid organization Doctors Without Borders for refusing to take sides in conflicts.

Gilbert volunteers at the Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza with the Norwegian Aid Committee (NORWAC), an aid organization funded by the Norwegian government, and he has been interviewed by the media on a variety of issues. Israeli government officials have said Hamas hides weapons in the hospital where Gilbert works.
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I watch Al Jazeera TV here in the EU, and they regularly speak with this doctor at the ER room. He is really outrageous in some of the things he says. The first time I remember him going off the deep end about the Israelis "must be using some kind of new weaponry because hes's never seen such a degree of damage and amputaions caused by explosives". He was absolute cetrtain it's some new and secret weapon! The next time he was off on a tangent about that fact he is certain that the Israelis doing nothing more than targeting civilians. The next time it was banned weapons, illegal weapons- the White Phosporous munitions-- so that's how that sory got rolling, telling the reporter it's a banned weapon, so yada!, yada!, yada!.. Then a few days later, a spokes person from the ICRC came out with a statement that the WP appeared to be used in accordance with Geneva Convention rules. I think he simply enjoys jearing himself speak.

Nona   January 19th, 2009 1:10 am ET

Miss my question above, Solomon?

Moss   January 19th, 2009 1:12 am ET

CNN’s Ben Wedeman’s Inaccurate Covering of The Israeli Murder of Hamas Member’s Palestinian Family

http://thescatterload.com/blog/?p=63

Solomon   January 19th, 2009 1:13 am ET

Pat
. he just happen to be the DR in that hospital.

would he be more objective if he was a Jew?

if I give you what Jews said would you accept that?

Damien   January 19th, 2009 1:16 am ET

To those who think that Israel or HAMAS has won, you should listen to the world singing – FOOL, FOOL, FOOL.

I will see you tomorrow, next week, next month, next year singing – HERE WE GO AGAIN.

The truth of the matter, Israel has nothing to offer the Palestinian People, except -'We need more of your land.'

Solomon   January 19th, 2009 1:19 am ET

Nona here you are.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Nazi-Jews-A-Historical-Paradox&id=1318287

Pat   January 19th, 2009 1:22 am ET

No Solomon, it ahs nothing to do whether he was a jew or not. stop trying to see everything as jew against arab. No a non-biased person would be more appropriate and if there isn't one to be found, I mean one that takes no position, then you state that when you air it internationally. It called ethical behaviour...journalists should abide by it too...especially here in the west where I live and want an objective view of things or at leats both views being represented equally.

Moss   January 19th, 2009 1:23 am ET

Roscoe

I have never seen such bad one-sided reporting, of any event, in all my life. AlJezeera may as well change their name to Hamas TV!
BBC and CNN were nearly as bad!

In 2000 Ben Wedeman was shot in the leg by an Israeli soldier, although I'm not sure if that was ever proven, while hanging around Gaza with his terrorist buddies. I don't think you can expect any objectivity from him.

Pat   January 19th, 2009 1:26 am ET

I have something against a doctor who only says one side. A docotr that bashes an organisation who ahs done so much around the world and stands for objectiveity or at least tries to be, and someone who justifies an attack like 9/11. Nothing to do with being a jew, a christian which I am or muslim. It has to do with humanity and ethical behaviour in your profession. And unlike what he said, you can separate politics from being a doctor. All I'm saying is that CNN and BBC should have presented the doctor honestly and not as an unbiased thrid party or an objective view on the crisis knowing his background.

Nona   January 19th, 2009 1:27 am ET

Thank you for the link, Solomon.

Interesting take you have on that article. Quite a pretzel maker, you are.

Solomon   January 19th, 2009 1:28 am ET

Pat.

he is a doctor and he is seeing first hand Israeli brutality
can you tell me how he can be more objective.

Solomon   January 19th, 2009 1:34 am ET

pat and Nona

I am not going to waste my time with Idiots on this blog.

Palestine for ever

gone for a movie about Jewish terrorism in Palestine..

Pat   January 19th, 2009 1:35 am ET

Solomon, although I support one side over another I realsie there are two perspectives. Be intelligent for a change, objectivity mean seeing both sides, not judging one or the other. Alow the audience to make up their own minds...but I guess you don't have much experience in that hey. Giving both sides equally and then making up your own mind. Only after listening, hearing, reading both sides can you make a decision. That's what I eman but hey solomon twist words again to fit your ideas about what is right and wrong. Intelligent people will understand me even if they don't agree with my view. That's freedom

Moss   January 19th, 2009 1:36 am ET

Solomon

Your attempt to link the Jews with Nazis is frankly ridiculous. There is more than enough proof that the arabs were great friends with Hitler and collaborated with him to exterminate the Jews. It is also a well known fact that this so called Jew-Nazi link and the denial of the holocaust is purely muslim extremist propaganda.. Nobody but the arabs actually believes it! There is also more than enough proof that, even today, there are strong links between the muslim extremist and neo-nazi groups all over the world. You must really think that everybody in the world is stupid.

Nona   January 19th, 2009 1:38 am ET

Why is it that whenever you start pressing pro-violence people for facts to justify their violence, they suddenly have to go the the movies or something?

I supposed al-Rantisi and Zahar objective doctors too.

Pat   January 19th, 2009 1:39 am ET

go watch your movie about your people refusing to make a better life for themselves...and ruining every chance to have a prosperous life for coming generations. If everyone thinks like you in the arab world no wonder the israelis don't believe in your promise for peace. It's a joke

Moss   January 19th, 2009 1:45 am ET

Solomon

Seeing that you don't want to waste your time on this blog, why don't you trundle off like a good arab and go and watch your movie. It's only an arab that will believe arab propaganda. We are too busy trying to find the Hamas leadership. OOps! I forgot! Not too many of them left!

Pat   January 19th, 2009 1:45 am ET

I'm teaching in a few hours so I've got to get some sleep and my kids are up in about 4 hours. Goodnight, Bonne nuit, Gute nacht and Laila tov to Nona, Moss and Roscoe. Have fun!

Nona   January 19th, 2009 1:47 am ET

Goodnite, Pat! Thanks for some stimulating conversation!

*PEACE*

Nick-Canada   January 19th, 2009 2:04 am ET

Good to see you, I havent been around in a couple days how have things been going with you, glad to see a cease fire in motion but does'nt seem thats going to last long hey?

Nona   January 19th, 2009 2:06 am ET

Yeah. Ceasefire is a good sign. Honest desire for peace on both sides would be a better sign!

We've missed you!

Nick-Canada   January 19th, 2009 2:11 am ET

I missed you too! I think we might be here blogging on this page for a while longer, what can I say its really too bad. Where will all of us go if there is peace in the middle-east? The Dr. Gupta page.......boring!

Nona   January 19th, 2009 2:16 am ET

Oh? Boring to you Canadians with terrific healthcare, maybe! Not to us mere Americans!

We actually briefly veered on to that subject last night - me, Linda, GLeigh, AJ ...

Nick-Canada   January 19th, 2009 2:22 am ET

Whoa, whoa, whoa, I did not mean to offend! I say it jokingly, its just a whole nother feild that I am personally uneducated in, medicine really aint my thing knowledge wise. We as Canadians pay double the amount of taxes for our heathcare. Here in B.C. at least is like 14%

Nick-Canada   January 19th, 2009 2:25 am ET

That last sentence did'nt make any sence it should have sounded like, here in B.C. at least, it is 14% of wages and 14% on goods

Nona   January 19th, 2009 2:30 am ET

HEH HEH! No offense taken! I'm sure at least 14% of my income goes to healthcare alone, never mind roads and military etc.

Anyway, this world could use more boredom, IMO!!!!

So wha are your thoughts on the ceasefire?

Nick-Canada   January 19th, 2009 2:41 am ET

I don't know I'm glad to see this day come but it appears Hamas who have launched more rockets at Israel 3 hours after the C-F does not want to stop terrorizing. Now maby once Israel has moved out completely they will stop but its tuff to say, I personally don't take any words coming out of the lips of a terrorist to be true, so if Hamas agree's to a cease fire I believe its only a matter of time before they have enough funds and materials to start back were they started. Islamic Resistence Movement, just that name means ther is no hope for a safe Israel.

Nona   January 19th, 2009 2:52 am ET

Sadly, Nick, you and I completely agree about the C-F.

It's hard to get optimistic when the Islamic Resistance Movement known as Hamas exists to fight Israel, not to make peace and safe happy lives for its people.

Nick-Canada   January 19th, 2009 3:03 am ET

I like how they have now put Hamas in a spot where to if they do continue to terrorize, its on them, making the world will feel less sorry for them (not the Palestinians but Hamas) when and if there is a retaliation again which Israel has said they would not hesitate to do. I hope Hamas stops though, the Palestinians must be so tired and I wish I could by them all a plane ticket to Hawaii when this is all done. I am sure they could use a vacation right about now!

Nona   January 19th, 2009 3:08 am ET

Well said, Nick!

Nick-Canada   January 19th, 2009 3:11 am ET

Nona
Have you ever visited any where like Israel or any where in the middle east?

Akiva Heifetz   January 19th, 2009 3:15 am ET

look at the youtube stuff above
who terrorize who with which reason??????
dont you get it?

isral did attak Gaza because a theory
and israel it self say they ignore international law?

who is the terorist?

is it ok if i kill you because you maybe eventualy plan bad things ?
no no no

i must present facts
why not israel?

Nona   January 19th, 2009 3:17 am ET

No, Nick. I wish. It's on my list. I'd love to. You?

Nick-Canada   January 19th, 2009 3:20 am ET

No, I have'nt, thats funny its on my bucket list aswell, I really badly want to take a swim in the Dead Sea, I wanna know what thats like. Hawwai is about the farthest from home I've been.

Akiva Heifetz   January 19th, 2009 3:24 am ET

I like how they have now put Israel in a spot where to if they do continue to terrorize, its on them, making the world will feel less sorry for them (not the Jews but Israelians)

Now israel must stop the invasion and the occupation.
they have one week time to leave Gaza as Hamas said.
So show us now how peacefull israel is ... and what they have won in this war
hamas still there
still able to fire rockets
israel lost face
kicked all international law
and human rights
killed over 1000 people for nothing

now israel must go home or they will give reason to the hamas
but israel is in peace all the time ... sure they will go now home

Akiva Heifetz   January 19th, 2009 3:33 am ET

interessting how people here still only can see one side!
its a miracle how people ignore facts

Nona   January 19th, 2009 3:39 am ET

Interesting how some people think "facts" are more important than peace.

Akiva Heifetz   January 19th, 2009 3:53 am ET

do you think that is peace?
so you think all this people will forget theyr dead parents?
do you think we all shall kick human rights?
do you think we all shall kick international law?
do you think DenHaag is a silly jocke?
do you think criminals dont should go to prison?

so no wonder if this world is so woerse!

Akiva Heifetz   January 19th, 2009 3:57 am ET

look at the speach by livni

we dont work according to international law!
thats for sure better!

Nick-Canada   January 19th, 2009 4:12 am ET

Akiva
Would it not be against International law to launch rockets out of schools and mosques. Should Israel maby just lob rockets over into Palestine, unguided, from their schools as to make this Internationally right? Thats a good idea right? Would that make you happier about whats going on? Would you like to see Israelis retaliating this way, as it would be more proportional? Well I am glad too see Israel did not go this route, the coward route, and glad to see Israelis don't endanger the lives of their citizens including women and children by using the tactics of Hamas. So, akiva, are you saying you would be okay with random rockets everyday from Israel so long as they were being shot from schools and churches, believing also that it would be wrong (internationally) for Hamas to retaliate against anything like this on those places were they were being fired from? Hey if your cool with that I will write the IDF to tell them akiva's good with that so go for it.

Debs   January 19th, 2009 4:21 am ET

Salam Aleikum Nona and all,

My heart is so heavy. All of the killing over the past weeks. All the lives lost on both sides.

All of the Palestinian kids that have had their lives cut so tragically short. It isnt right. Why is it it is always the innocent that suffers in war??

I understand Israel had a right to stop the rocket attacks.but we need to look at the much bigger picture here. Palestinians need their homeland and once that is recognised then that will be a start for peace. There are so many wrong doings on both sides here.

I said right from the beginning that Israel's reaction was far too extreme. When we look at the casualties, the civilian deaths far outweigh hamas. Partly due to Israeli airstrikes and the land incursion and partly due to hamas and their human sheilds antics!

This whole situation makes me sick. As civilised humans how can we allow this killing between these to countries to continue. I am really starting to think that an International Peacekeeping force needs to go in and sort this out. If both sides cant agree to settle this now then it will be the Palestinian kids and Israeli kids that will have their futures adversely affected.

Israel has every right to exist, but please, please dont deny the rights of Palestinians their homeland and their rights to exist and not have their very existence threatened.

What strikes me is the amount of people on here that continue to fuel hate and intolerance on both sides. This is ignorant and ill informed.

This situation is complicated and sensitive where fighting over land has erupted into this hideous war where not even the lives of the most vulnerable are considered or worth anything.

This conflict has shown that the extremist on both Israeli and Palestinian sides have an sickening no-value attitude to life.

Can anyone really and honestly tell me that this latest flare up of killing has been either justified or worth the lost lives?

As I said the problem lies where this conflict has gotten so out of hand where is seems like human life has no value any more. This has been another tragic mess to add to the long list of killing between Palestine and Israel!

Peace for Palestine and Israel.

Salam and Shalom to all

Debs   January 19th, 2009 4:26 am ET

Hello Nona,

Appologies for opening rant, but I cried earlier on when I read another report from my RC colleague that recieves from Gaza .

I dont want to sound naive but why cant this killing stop?

These kids from Palestine and Israel deserve every right to live their lives in peace and securuty, have normal lives like us and go to school.

Where is the humanity for these kids huh?

Nona   January 19th, 2009 4:42 am ET

Hi Debs.

Sorry - stepped away for a minute.

No need to apologize for your opening rant at all. It's a beautiful rant and I am in total agreement.

How are you? How was your test? Good to see you!

Debs   January 19th, 2009 4:50 am ET

Hey there,

My test I think went ok. Verbal test was a piece of cake. Writing was good, I wasnt aware of any errors and I pretty much understood questions on paper...I need to wait till thursday for results.

Funny though, food for thought for all blog readers.. on friday at ME institute we had a peace for Palestine and Israel day. Arab and Israeli lecturers al saying the same thing......Peace...Tolerance......Reconciliation...A Home for Palestine and A Home For Israel..

Anyway Nona cheers for asking. How are you? any more pics or letters from you oprhans?

Nona   January 19th, 2009 4:54 am ET

That Peace For Palestine & Israel Day sounds awesome! Was it open to the public and the media? We need MORE events like that!!!!

No more pics or letters from my orphans - I probably get 2 or 3 in a good month. But a fellow volunteer just came back and brought me some lovely Russian chocolate. He knows my weakness!

I wonder if chocolate might hold the key to peace.

Akiva Heifetz   January 19th, 2009 4:57 am ET

Debs

ou work with kids?
in iraq?

how did you got the job?
do you have a address for people who wanna help in gaza?

Debs   January 19th, 2009 5:02 am ET

He He He He He!!!!!!!!!!

Good one Nona.

I thinks us ladies would solve more conflicts by sitting down and talking things over a good box of chocs huh??

Peace for Palestine and Israel day was on at ME Institute and was staged by the students, me included (although at 30 I think I was oldest Ek!). It wasnt in news but a few journalist were there. You know that really annoyed me. Because we were talking for peace it doesnt get alot of public knowledge! I sometimes feel that those of us striving for peace world are not listened to or carry credibility....

Anyway If you dont mind me asking, which profession are you in? You sound as if you are probably in health care, social work or community work?

Peace for Palestine and Israel

Nona   January 19th, 2009 5:09 am ET

I agree about the box of chocs!

Annoying how blood gets more press coverage than peace, but sadly, that's the market talking - at least in free societies where press isn't government owned.

I'm in the middle of a career change - back in school myself for education degree.

Debs   January 19th, 2009 5:11 am ET

Salam Aleikum, Akiva,

I worked with the kids from Iraq working for the International Red Cross. It took alot of hard work as you need to be trained...

My Collegue who is sent reports from Gaza works in the West central office in Edinburgh. Their office has Human Rights representatives and Medical staff in Gaza right now.

You can the organisation at http://www.ICRC.org.

If you want to volunteer I think it shouldnt be something to take lightly. They will aslo look at what existing training and experience you have. If you care for the Palestinians and want to help. consider donating or go along to your local Red Cross office and speak to them. They will always be glad to help.....

Debs   January 19th, 2009 5:13 am ET

Yep Nona 100 percent agreement.

If only we humans could see the value of each other!!

Do you want to teach? you mentioned education degree.

Akiva Heifetz   January 19th, 2009 5:14 am ET

i and my frind is willing to join a organisation to help in gaza
human aid and so on ...

my friend acctualy works in health care
i am allrounder ... i know about social and community work .. and a little of health care ... and also in house buildings electronics informatics and some things more

we both would like to help in gaza
do you know addresses of organisations which help in gaza
maybe organisations in europe!

we did think about to go by oure self ... just to go and help
but then we thoght maybe better with a organization
because if israel will attak gaza again its better if a organization knows about us... else they kill us and nowbody will know
since israel lies at the world and keep the press away
so better with a organization which will help us or tell the world about us if israel will kill us

to us ... all what we saw is pain to us
and we wanna help these people!

Nona   January 19th, 2009 5:24 am ET

Yes Debs. I'll teach in some capacity - not sure what yet. Probably not in the traditional sense. Possibly English overseas, maybe something in rural areas or adult education. Haven't figured that out yet. LOL!

Debs   January 19th, 2009 5:24 am ET

Akiva,

I admire you conviction. There are many Organisations which provide aid.

Please though be careful on which you join. You should only really look to volunteer with eithet United Nations or International Red Cross Red Crescent affiliated or endorsed organisations.

The reason is that they are recognised and reduces somewhat the risk of being attacked.

But saying that, please consider Gaza carefully. Israelis are banning anymore aid staff entering the area.

It is also a exeptionally dangerous are for aid staff. My collegues are sending me copies of reports. The current danger is the Israeli military and also HAMAS. Please, please be aware this is a very dangerous and I would encourage anyone considering to do aid work to think carefully.

I am not trying to put you of but as someone who has done aid work I only want to give you sensible advise. Please now more of the situation on the ground and make a decision then. You also have to ask yourself could you cope working in that type of environment?

People who are aid workers do so much good, but we do it for the sake of humanity. We help ALL PEOPLE.

If you need anymore info just ask

Debs   January 19th, 2009 5:26 am ET

Akiva,

If you want to do aid work you MUST be a neutral person that cares for all human beings....... :)

Tom   January 19th, 2009 5:28 am ET

Everybody keeps fussing over the land rights. This to me is hilarious. It is sand nothing more. There is nothing under it and you can do nothing with it. So what does it matter who is living on it.

Now as far as the fighting goes. Israel declared a cease fire, seven hours later Hamas is firing rockets and attacking Israeli forces...again. Now they are saying ok we will quit, if you leave and give us everything we want. Umm no it doesn't work that way. The borders exist for a reason just like the "racist wall" as Professor likes to call it. Remember the kidnappings and suicide bombings which all but stopped when the wall went up and the Israelis began actually enforcing their border laws. Yeah that's the reason why they are there. But no that didn't stop Hamas, no once they figured out that they couldn't go thru the border anymore they built rockets to shoot over the wall and into Israeli cities. So the Israelis instituted a blockade to stop arms from coming in by sea. Then Hamas decided it would be ok to tunnel from Egypt into the backyards of the "innocent" Palestinians who allowed them to do it making themselves a target. Anybody catch the video on CNN of the former Palestinian judge who told Hamas no when they asked him if they could build a tunnel and fight from his house? Funny his house is still standing and his family uninjured. I thought Israel was being sloppy with their bombings.... Sarah?... In truth it's not the bombs that are inaccurate it is the artillery shells. The shells are fired from a distance and have no guidance systems on them. They are dependant on several variables such as wind, weight, and type of munition. Where as bombs dropped from aircraft, even the dumb glide bombs like the 500lb. MK-82 Slicks, are dropped from an aircraft with an advanced targeting system and are actually placed on target by the pilots and the forward air controllers who are calling in the airstrikes.

Now if you really want to see a "great tragedy" imagine if the US was to give the Israelis unrestricted access to buy whatever they wanted. B-52's which can literaly fly around the world with mid-air refuel capabilities. B-2's which do the same as B-52's except you can't see them on radar, can't hear them when they are overhead, and carry 64 MK-82's and able to put them all on target. AC-130 gunships, if Israel was to get these they would have an artillery platform in the sky firing directly down onto their enemy. It is only a 105mm Howitzer cannon but every bit as effective as the 155mm ground artillery they have been firing. Ohh and I didn't mention they would be able to stay over the target for hours, limited only by the amount of fuel and ammunition they can carry. Imagine if we built them A-10's. That aircraft is a flying tank. The nose gun alone will turn a tank into swiss cheese. If you would like to get an idea of what it would be like for Israel to indescriminately fire rockets into Gaza, like Hamas has done to Israel. I would urge you to look into the first Gulf War. After only a few rocket barrages on Iraqi tank positions our MLRS crews were given the nickname "Steel Rain" by the Iraqis. They feared the MLRS and the A-10's more than anything else in the US arsenal. Those of you who complain that the US is supplying Israel with devestating weaponry don't seem to understand that we are also limiting them on what they buy. They have F-15's and 16's and Apache helocopters basically they have close air support and strike capabilities not all out heavy bombers. The reason they are effective is numbers they have a lot of planes and not a long way to fly to re-arm them so it looks like they are bigger than they are.

No ladies and gents this one will not last and I will tell you why. Israelis will not remove the troops. And why should they? Everytime they do Hamas just fortifies itself and starts shooting again. I get that the Palestinians consider it an occupation, however if they would take steps to rid themselves of an organization like Hamas, who's only goal in life is to fight, and take respondsibility for once in their own mistakes. Peace is an attainable goal. "Live and let live some people would say. Be a whole lot less fuss and bother if more people would take it to heart".

I.B. Wright   January 19th, 2009 5:29 am ET

Wow, it's almost civilized here. Now we Islamic Nazi loving, Jew -hater terrorists (according to those who seem to be all knowing) can terrorize in peace. I have to say it's a lot more pleasant to listen to people who actually can agree that killing and fighting is bad and that peace is good.

Debs   January 19th, 2009 5:29 am ET

Nona,

Thats good. I would love to be able to teach.....I know I wouldnt be any good......

Is there a particular subject you have an interest in or whether young kiddies or high school.....You kinda sound sort of high school..LOL

Debs   January 19th, 2009 5:31 am ET

I.B. Wright.

Thank you very much.

Salam and Shalom

Nona   January 19th, 2009 5:37 am ET

Debs, I'll teach anything but my specialty is writing and literature. My degree will be in secondary English Ed. I like working with all kids but will focus on teens, preteens and tweens. The pay sucks but the labor of love makes up for it. However, no amount of money on Earth could entice me into a career that changing diapers and potty training. NOT MY STRENGTH! LOL!

How 'bout you? Do you get a degree from MEI or a certification of some sort? I assume you'll continue working with Red Cross?

Akiva Heifetz   January 19th, 2009 5:41 am ET

Debs

i am not :( ... not anymore :(
i prefer to help the poor people and the people who need it most
but i don cae about rligion or race or color or sex or what ever
but i wanna help the people who have not own possibilities
i wanna help people who dont have own hightech hospitals
or more food as they can eat
or more money as they can count
such people can help it self

people in gaza have a higher priority to me then israelis which throw white phosphour over gaza

if someone if in need i will first help and then ask who he is

to me ... i also know there are other people in need
maye africa ... they are also poor ... to help them is ok
but i think i dont must go to USA or israel to hel them

and after all what i saw i would like very much to help in gaza
i think i am maybe in this case not totaly neutral ... but still totaly human

Debs   January 19th, 2009 5:45 am ET

Aw!! I love babies I wouldnt mind changing diapers!! just give me a peg for my nose!!

Teens and pre-teens are a good group. They are good learners!

Yes I will have a degree in Arabic/Middle Eastern studies, which includes Palestinian studies, Social, Humanity, Culture, Music, Religion and others.

I have already applied to UN and i will need degree to work for them. The Red Cross doesnt pay a wage, which is a shame because Im liked working for them. The UN pays its staff. I want to work within the ME department (obvious huh?) I want to be involved in humnitarian and peacekeeping possibly UNRWA

Nona   January 19th, 2009 5:49 am ET

You'll be great at that, Debs!!!!

Debs   January 19th, 2009 5:50 am ET

Akiva,

I admire you, I really do but with how you are talking? I dont know if aid work will be good for you.

Neutrality and Humanity is the most important core fundamentals for Aid Worker of Red Cross and or UN.

Humans are humans, we all hurt, suffer and deserve to live decent lives.

Why not volunteer to promote a peaceful resolution that will save lives? You could do Ambassador work?

I care very much for Palestine and want them to have a decent future but their future does invlove Israel, as a neighbour, not as occupiers but peace is the only way forward.

Debs   January 19th, 2009 5:52 am ET

I am not sure. If I cry at reading reports!!

What made you want to be a teacher?

I.B. Wright   January 19th, 2009 5:58 am ET

Tom – What exactly is Hamas looking for when you say they will quit when they get everything they want? As far as I know (heard) all they've asked for is the Israeli troops to get out of Gaza and for the borders to be opened up which doesn't really sound all that unreasonable to me. You make it sound like they should be thankful to be alive and cooped up in a cage. If that is Israel's thinking, then how can you blame the Palestinians- a lot of them are obviously willing to die than accept Israel's generosity.

Nona   January 19th, 2009 6:01 am ET

Debs –

People doing this kind of work SHOULD cry at reading reports! That's a GOOD sign.

When you quit crying, resign.

I've been in another profession a long time. I don't want to go into details or specifics, but it once allowed me to make a difference. My work mattered and helped people in a meaningful way. Now it only allows me to make a living, and even that's going away. I've never been a person who thought making money was a good reason to get out of bed in the morning, and for the last few years, that's how I've felt. I really enjoy cultural exchanges, working with kids, and volunteer work, so I decided education might be a good avenue to find some satisfying work that I'll enjoy. I'm going to have to improve my patience, though. Not with the kids - I have plenty of patience for that, but bureaucracy .... not so much!

Debs   January 19th, 2009 6:08 am ET

Nona,

Patience????? you will be suprised where it comes from when needed!!

Many thanks for your thoughful and wise conversations. You sound like a very good person. Hey if your ever in Atlanta we could maybe meet for coffee and we can exchange experiences and all the lessons that life as given us.

I wish so much for peace in this world, if not for me but my kids in the future.

Nite nite!
Peace for Palestine and Israel

Salam and Shalom

Nona   January 19th, 2009 6:18 am ET

Good night, Debs. I'd love to get together for coffee. I think it can be arranged!

IB - I don't presume to be speaking for Tom, but the way I interpreted his comments regarding "everythign Hamas wants" is the total elimination of the state of Israel and rejection of all peaceful solutions, as written in its charter. Not sure that's what he meant but that was my interpretation.

American Jew   January 19th, 2009 6:46 am ET

Got quieter and more peaceful from today?

Nona   January 19th, 2009 6:49 am ET

Yes, there tends to be more folks of peaceful persuasion at this hour!

American Jew   January 19th, 2009 6:50 am ET

Day time is difficult for me–WWIII

Akiva Heifetz   January 19th, 2009 6:52 am ET

Debs

i allways akt if i like to ask .. if iask i will not be in fear of the answer ;)
if someone dont wanna answer its OK
so i will ask others or do my own investigations ;)

i am a interesstet person ;) in a lot things :)

i keep my eyes open ... as i keep my mind open ;)
but now i will sleep too :)
today i will have a good sleep ... as i think :)
today i have hope and i will have a long sleep :)

American Jew   January 19th, 2009 6:53 am ET

Well, I guess it's winding down now...

Nona   January 19th, 2009 6:55 am ET

My computer is really snoozy, AJ! Sorry for the delayed response.

Total agreement about WWIII!

American Jew   January 19th, 2009 6:57 am ET

Yeah, my computer has acted strangely since I began blogging here

American Jew   January 19th, 2009 6:59 am ET

It seems people are showing their human sides more, eh?

Nona   January 19th, 2009 6:59 am ET

I'd love to stay and chat AJ but my computer is really not in the mood! I think I better shut it down.

Goodnight! I hope to catch up with you soon!

cubfan   January 19th, 2009 7:03 am ET

Now that we have a cease fire we need to think of more creative ways to keep the Hamas terrorist out of Israel. I would like to see a steel dome installed so when missiles are launched toward Israel they hit the steel roof and fall back into Gaza. Maybe Israel can spend this time building a deep moat around Gaza and then giving it a push into the Mediterranean and setting Gaza adrift. If these solutions do not do the trick how about setting a huge magnet underneath Gaza City so when a missile is launched it is attracted to Gaza and comes back and hits the terrorists. I give this cease fire 12 more hours.

Akiva Heifetz   January 19th, 2009 7:12 am ET

cubfan

mybe if you accept them as they are and where they are they will fire nothing against you;)
so stop illegal embargo and occupation
maybe after 3 genrations they will be your friend
as this palestinian doctor was before israel did kill his children

cubfan   January 19th, 2009 7:28 am ET

All I know is Hamas promised to turn Gaza into a graveyard for the IDF and they didn’t fight or kill anyone. Are the people of Gaza going to put up with Hamas who hide behind women and children, in Mosques and hospitals and brought an unbelievable amount of destruction to Gaza? Hamas is finished politically in Gaza, these morons unleashed hell upon the land and achieved nothing; they will now pay a high price politically.

The problem with Hamas is the no nothing other than acting like psychopathic killers and they will not be able to contain their addiction to try to kill Israelis. So the cycle of death will continue in Gaza until Hamas is exterminated.

By the way the IDF really deserves a hand for fighting a fearless, honorable and conscientious war.

Akiva Heifetz   January 19th, 2009 8:18 am ET

blah blah ...
look at israel ;)

political desaser ...
!!!
all goals faild
still hamas there
still able to fire rockets

who did destroy gaza ? wasent it IDF with all the copters and jets and tanks?

about the weapons in the mosques and UN schools and other 50 UN buildings
we dident saw any time any weapon in it
israel did hide them ... maybe ther was never a weapon in it
you cant proof it ... israel did never let the press or UN or any one proof it

honorable?
be proud of what you did!
we all know the numbers
over 1000 people killed
hals women and children
be proud of it!
whole gaza is destroyd ... and all israelian houses allready repaird!

do you think they have to loose more?
do you life now in paranoia?

be proud
hightech against fireworks
all goals faild
israel got boycott by the whole world ... this will not chande so quick

be proud
all friends lost ...
be proud
what a honour

Tom   January 19th, 2009 8:36 am ET

Akiva,
No I am not workless without war, as a matter of fact I have been without war for several years now. However I still have a big problem with Islamic Extremist groups like Hamas and will do whatever I can to try to change the minds of people around the world. Because honestly there are only two ways to stop extremists throughout the world. Death or by personal choice. See I understand that the way these people think is what influences their actions. The Muslim religion claims to be a religion of peace and I honestly believe that for the majority of Muslims it is. However you have some fanaticals who have taken the teachings of the Prophet and twisted and warped it into what is now extremism. So it is a state of mind that is being challenged here not a race or country. Some people you would be able to talk to and show them what they are a part of, and what the organizations like Hamas are doing, which is two faced. On the one hand you have Hamas' money making side which is what they would like everybody to see (charities, and all the goodwill stuff). Then you have the other side of the coin which is what those charities finance (the manufacture, buying and use of weapons). There are some people who when you present them with what is happening inside these organizations they will turn away from them and still others will not and will continue fighting and unfortunately "live by the sword, die by the sword". That is why I will not accept them. I don't understand why other Muslims througout the world accept them as well. When Hamas and other terrorist organizations rape, pillage, plunder, and murder anyone who does not follow along with exactly what they believe. Even in the communities that they are suppossed to be helping. Showing the people of the world what they are really doing is what will take the power away from Hamas. And if they are to frightened to move against them then someone else should.

I.B. Wright,
Of course Hamas wants the troops to leave then they can resume building their stockpiles of weapons and making themselves even stronger for the next time they decide to start shooting. As far as the borders being opened up. I feel that it would be in Israel's best intrest to open the checkpoints, but continue to enforce the inspection of everything that goes in. That way there is an even smaller chance that weapons could be smuggled in. Another reason Hamas wants the troops to leave is so they can invest their money in rebuilding Gaza City. In order to win the hearts and minds of the Palestinian people. You see people generally have very short memories. And will (convienently) forget that it was Hamas' actions which caused this to begin with. All that they will see is that it was Israeli bombs which destroyed it and Hamas money which rebuilt it. Forgetting that it was Hamas which used to murder anyone who didn't see things their way to begin with. And that it was Hamas who used them as shields resulting in hundreds of unnecessary deaths and thousands of unnecessary casualties. It is in Hamas' charter that they exist for the destruction of Israel. They are not going to go away until the Palestinian people kick them out and they have nowhere else to go besides back to Syria where they came from. Is it unresonable for the Palestinians to want the Israelis to leave? No it isn't, but it also begs the question is it unreasonable for Israel and the Palestinians to allow Hamas to stay and resume the fighting?

benyemen   January 19th, 2009 8:42 am ET

cubfan(hyena cub)

January 19th, 2009 703 GMT

Now that we have a cease fire we need to think of more creative ways to keep the Hamas terrorist out of Israel. I would like to see a steel dome installed so when missiles are launched toward Israel they hit the steel roof and fall back into Gaza. Maybe Israel can spend this time building a deep moat around Gaza and then giving it a push into the Mediterranean and setting Gaza adrift. If these solutions do not do the trick how about setting a huge magnet underneath Gaza City so when a missile is launched it is attracted to Gaza and comes back and hits the terrorists
WHAT A CREATIVE IDEAS BRAVO TO YOUR IDEAS EVEN HITLER DID NOT THINK OF THEM.

Tom   January 19th, 2009 8:45 am ET

And thank you Nona you hit the nail right on the head.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 8:46 am ET

Good day to the Palestinians supporters,

Horrible day to the Israeli Zionist supporters,

Its the occupation stupid.... :)

Tom   January 19th, 2009 8:50 am ET

Hey hey my favorite Hamas paid spin doctor is here. LOL :)

Professor   January 19th, 2009 8:53 am ET

1. Israel did not accomplish any of the goals it wanted to accomplish.

2. Israel lost its credibility as a peace partner thoughout the world. In my opinion this is worst than any military loss.

Tom   January 19th, 2009 8:57 am ET

Objective 1. "Take the head off of the snake" – how many leaders and top officials did the Israelis kill. Accomplished.

Objective 2. Interdict the supply routes of Hamas. i.e. destroy the tunnels and choke off their weapons supply. Accomplished.

Objective 3. Lessen the number of Hamas militants launching rockets into Israel. Accomplished.

Tom   January 19th, 2009 8:59 am ET

Back in a couple of hours.

benyemen   January 19th, 2009 9:00 am ET

GOOD MORNING PROF

ITS THE OCCUPATION .......................STUPID

“I HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO FIGHT” John Paul Jones.

Patrick Henry’s “GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH”

Professor   January 19th, 2009 9:05 am ET

Good quotes Benyemen... :)

Israel also proved its failure to curve the resistance just like any occupation known in the history of our world.

Tom   January 19th, 2009 9:06 am ET

Good quotes.

John Paul Jones was quoted saying that as the ship he was captain of was sinking. It was said in defeat.

Patrick Henry was quoted in his pamphlet saying this. Tough words for a man who never saw combat.

Tom   January 19th, 2009 9:07 am ET

Israel also proved its failure to curve the resistance just like any occupation known in the history of our world

Funny I recall the French resistance being unable to get anything of significance done against the Germans.

Tom   January 19th, 2009 9:08 am ET

I am a Christian not a Zionist. You have no idea what hardcore is.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 9:10 am ET

Hmmmm I did not know that Germany is still occupying France.... Thanks for that very important info Tom..... What an idiot.

Akiva Heifetz   January 19th, 2009 9:18 am ET

Tom

Exactly ... every thing every where has to sides...
as we did see in CNN ... plundering Israelians which preach us about peace, killing children use phosphours against civilians and so on.
everything have two sides
about the occupation your right ... this must stop ... lift the mbargo and do controlls would be a better way then a war which ends in political selfdestruction ot a illegal embargo which gives power to extremists.
extremists are not good ... not under the muslims not under the zionists not under the jews or christs ... everything have two sides and maybe the middle is good :)

Professor   January 19th, 2009 9:48 am ET

Tom the Zionist Christian,

Yeah Hamas might lost a few but do you know how many are waiting to join Hamas now? LOL

Professor   January 19th, 2009 9:53 am ET

Man where does the Zionist find these idiots to support them?.... I guess if they have any little brain they would not support the Zionists.... that figures.

Tom   January 19th, 2009 10:17 am ET

Told you I'd be back

Now. As for Professor. How did I prove anything for you? The French Resistance did nothing against the Germans during WW2. The Germans are no longer occupying France since the US, Great Britain, Canada, and only God knows who else kicked them out.....idiot.

Beneymen,
As I told you before I would be back in a couple of hours. I am at work and am unable to sit up all night trading insults with you. Maybe you should first learn to read English, then learn to speak English, then maybe you would be able to communicate something in written English other than a bunch of insults. And my definition of hardcore is not a bunch of fanatics who have twisted the teachings of their religion until they have an excuse to fill their own bloodlust. Hardcore is freely giving yourself to a higher cause, staring death in the face and not flinching as I have done on countless occasions.

And I would like to point out that it was you two who began throwing insults around everyone else was having a civilized conversation. Which is why I am now choosing to ignore Benyemen. Professor if you can calm down enough to read some of my previous posts of the day I would like to have a civilized conversation.

Akiva,
Here's the thing with the oversea route into Gaza. The only way to stop weapons from coming into Gaza by sea is to have that kind of blockade in effect otherwise entire ships laden with weapons would be allowed in unchecked, and unchallenged. They must at the very least be searched, and since the UN is the biggest paper tiger in history and nobody would trust another country to do it. It falls on Israel. Israelis would not trust another Arab country to do it because of sympathizers and the Palestinians would not allow any western country do it because "we are all in league with Israel" and would move to slowly. So who is left. Russia? China? or one of the countries of Africa who have their own problems keeping the peace in their own homelands? No until Hamas leaves there will not be any change there my friend.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 10:26 am ET

Tom,

Christian Zionism is a modern theological and political movement that embraces the most extreme ideological positions of Zionism, thereby becoming detrimental to a just peace within Palestine and Israel.

Who is your leader Jim Swagert?

Professor   January 19th, 2009 10:28 am ET

Christian Zionists believe that the "ingathering" of Jews in Israel is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus.

Tom   January 19th, 2009 10:28 am ET

No I am my own leader. I live by the Bible and the words it contains. I am not a part of any church. I believe what I read. And what I see. What I need to know is the definition of Zionism. If you can provide that I would be willing to listen.

Tom   January 19th, 2009 10:30 am ET

Yes however that is the second Exodus and all the Jews of the world are not flocking to Israel. Most are staying put where they live.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 10:31 am ET

or is it Jerry Fallwell?

or maybe Pat Robertson?

Come on tell me who do you like from these so called leaders?

Tom   January 19th, 2009 10:33 am ET

Again I am my own leader. I do not follow the teachings of money hungery televangelists.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 10:33 am ET

Zionist Tom,

Definitions of zionism on the Web:

1. a policy for establishing and developing a national homeland for Jews in Palestine

2. a movement of world Jewry that arose late in the 19th century with the aim of creating a Jewish state in Palestine

Pick one of those two...

Professor   January 19th, 2009 10:36 am ET

Good to know that... Tom,

See how they tell you there was no Palestine but yet in the definition of their movement called for establishing a Jewish only (racist) homeland on Palestine (which is for Palestinians christians, muslims and jews... Not European jews).

Tom   January 19th, 2009 10:36 am ET

Ok so basically returning Jews to Israel as was done by the Brits in the 1950's.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 10:39 am ET

Tom,

returning means that they were there and they return.... that is not true

you cannot call the european jews returning. They are European.... They hold europea passports they lived in europe for thousands of year....

Tom   January 19th, 2009 10:41 am ET

Here's the thing though you are mixing religion with geography. An Israeli could be a Jew, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or whatever. The Jews that were transplanted to Israel by the Brits were sent there generally of their own request. Judaism expanded throughout the world and has continued to do so. How can you limit where someone is allowed to live simply because of what name they call God?

Tom   January 19th, 2009 10:43 am ET

"they lived in europe for thousands of years".
Didn't the Europeans conquer Jerusalem in the Crusades. And then allow Muslims to come back to continue to practice their religion at their holy sites?

Professor   January 19th, 2009 10:45 am ET

Tom,

I am not mixing anything.... Zionism is a political movement and not religious.... They use Religion to further thair goal.... Just like Alqaida. They even use militant groups: The Haganah, the Irgun and the Stern.

So would you approve of Alqaida living in the US?

Tom   January 19th, 2009 10:47 am ET

Professor,
Would you please tell beneymen if he wants to address me to stop with the insults and the all caps, and an apology for the constant insults would be nice.

Tom   January 19th, 2009 10:48 am ET

Why not it is well documented that they do.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 10:48 am ET

Tom,

Lets move step by step and expand the discussion to big so we will loose focus.

If you want to get anywhere....

If you just want to throw few words here and there to confuse the reader then i am not interested.

Tom   January 19th, 2009 10:50 am ET

No by all means I am enjoying this civilized conversation. However I am about to have to leave to go home and will not be back on until Tuesday night.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 10:51 am ET

Tom,

What is well documented?

Tom   January 19th, 2009 10:53 am ET

That Al Queda exists and lives in the US

Professor   January 19th, 2009 10:57 am ET

Tom,

Ok I diagree but if it is true that Alqaida exists in the US would you approve of the Brits giving them a promise to establish a muslim homeland for them in the US? and start suppoting them?

Tom   January 19th, 2009 11:03 am ET

No, However at the time all of this was happening the area known as Palestine was a province of Great Britain, was it not? And if I'm not mistaken didn't the Brits make arrangements with Palestinians, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Jordan? Either way the Jews were as far as Britain was concerned from Jerusalem. And so according to what was written in the Bible given the land according to what was given them in the Old Testament written thousands of years before the Muslim religion even existed.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:08 am ET

Tom,

No Palestine was not a province of Great Britain.... Palestine, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon were occupied by the British and the French...

An occupying power does not have the right to transfer the ownership of the land it occupied to anyone else.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:14 am ET

Listen to Ben on CNN....

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:17 am ET

Hamas is till in control... they insured no looting.... they are directing traffic.... Hamas has not been weakend by the Israeli aggression....

Palestinians still blaming Israel and the US for supplying it with all those weapons.

Are you listening US? Are you awake US?

CS   January 19th, 2009 11:35 am ET

Tom. You are wrong. The ancient Israelites were a different race of people than the european Jews that currently inhabbit Israel. That's why I liken it to the stealing of birthwrites. Just because someone practices a religion, does not make them entitled to what was written in the old testament. What was written in the old testament does not say "If Native Americans, Taino Indians, and Genghis Khan decide to practice Judaism, than they are the chosen people, and therefore, entitled to Jerusalem." What you're saying is that whomever decides to practice/study Judaism for centuries to come are God's chosen people. You see, Brits, Yanks, westerners in general, thrust themselves into this buisines w/o full understanding of it. I hear people to this day..."What nationality are you?" ..."I'm Jewish" This is a very ignorant way of thinking.
Now this is not to say that I do not believe that God will bless ANYONE who is saved and believes in his Son, Jesus Christ. But these are my beliefs. It's hard for me to accept that an evildoer who happens to be Jewish, has more claim to heaven on Earth, and or in the afterlife, than a Righteous man, who is not Jewish.

CS   January 19th, 2009 11:42 am ET

Professor. Thank you for stating the true facts to Tom, about the way the U.N. works. Or, is supposed to work. It broke many of it's own rules to create the nation known as todays Israel. But as soon as a Muslim person farts, he/she needs to be sanctioned multilaterally. This whole thing is a joke. It all goes back to "might makes right" I guess. Someone told me that whoever wins the battle is the one who writes the history books. This does not necessarily make what is written, the truth. But blind obediant idiots continue to go around thinking they're so smart because they read Time Magazine or something. I swear, if the TV came on and told some of these fools that the sky was red with blinking green pokadot clouds, upon which elephants sit...they would go around preaching about it.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:43 am ET

I don't understand how can Tom call himself a Christian and stand by the Zionist Israelis against his Christian Palestinias brothers?

CS   January 19th, 2009 11:44 am ET

I'm ok. A little depressed about all this, but ok. You?

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:48 am ET

CS,

Only if that TV was FOX.... but if it was CNN or BBC then its owned by Hamas so they would not believe it.

LOL

CS   January 19th, 2009 11:50 am ET

I don't understand howpeople can overlook Israel's blatent misuse of power over the last decade. People need to believe that all Muslims hate all Jews, so they can validate the attempt at killing all Muslim people. Because that's what is happening. Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon...maybe even Iran soon. All over the middle east, Muslims are being killed. When will they unite to stop this? I hope sooner rather than later.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:50 am ET

Don't be... man.... I know its depressing.... but God is watching and he will not forget his people.... and those murderes Zionist are not his people.... God is patient but he does not forget.

Fawad Ali   January 19th, 2009 1:09 pm ET

'Saudi Arabia pledges $1 billion to rebuild Gaza'

From the outset up till now, every single thing is like the repetition of 2006 conflict with Hezbollah

Tom   January 19th, 2009 1:14 pm ET

There now or there 2000 years ago. How are you suppossed to tell the difference? You can't. Israel is recognized throughout the world as a legitimate state. And the Israeli people the legitimate countrymen. Thus why I do not refer to them as Jews I refer to them as Israelis. And even if "European Jews" are not intitled to Israel they have interbred to the point now it is impossible to say who is from Europe and who isn't. As far as "standing against my Palestinian Christian Brothers", you have missed the boat on that one. I am not against the Palestians never have been. I am against the terrorist organization of Hamas, who use the Palestinians as shields. The same Hamas who murders Palestinians in the streets. Did anyone ever think that maybe just maybe the Israelis would have liked to have gone into Gaza and only taken out Hamas fighters. That is a very difficult thing to do especially in a place as densely populated as Gaza. Now the Palestinians did not help their situation by allowing Hamas to operate inside their borders. I don't understand why they would allow an organization like Hamas to basically set up an enclave in Gaza when both Egypt and Jordan have said they don't want anything to do with Hamas and do not agree with them or their methods. In truth just before the airstrikes began I saw Israeli forces and Palestinian authorities working together to uproot Hamas. Hamas didn't like this to much and began firing more rockets and going after members of the Palestinian authorities. I believe that is why Israel is there now, not to kill Palestinians but to try to uproot Hamas so that the Palestinian state can stand on its own without the influence of Islamic Extremists.

Tom   January 19th, 2009 1:25 pm ET

Professor,

I will once and for all time set down what I would like to see for Israel and Gaza and how it could happen.

I believe they could co exist. However not with groups like Hamas in the middle of it all. If the Palestinians were to drive Hamas out, I am certain that Israel would help the Palestinian people to rebuild their country and eventually they would even take down the walls and checkpoints. I am not saying it is something that will happen in 10 years but eventually. These kinds of things take trust and until Israel can trust the Palestinians it won't happen. Who knows it could get to the point of where there isn't even a line on the map anymore. They could even blend together as one people. But that will not happen so long as agitators like Hamas are in the middle of it all.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 1:29 pm ET

13 Israeli Occupying Forces dead....

48 Palestinians fighters are martyrs....

1300 Palestinians civilians are martyrs....

21 rockets lanched after the unilaterla cease-fire was announced.

after which Hamas announced a cease-fire from its side and giving the Israeli occupying forces 7 days to leave.

They are still in control....

Israel lost the propaganda war...

So, what has it accomplished?

Nada, zilch....

Good luck on your next round....

Hizbullah kicked you ass then and Hamas kicked it now.... If I were you... I would commit suicide... like Hitler did.

Tom   January 19th, 2009 1:35 pm ET

"1300 Palestinians civilians are martyrs"

I thought martyrs willingly died for a cause, and that the civilians were innocent. So how can they do both?

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 2:15 pm ET

I had to read how big of a chunk of peace to expect from this area of the world. I'm not expecting a huge amount. There is still justification going on for shooting missiles into Israel and hiding them in the most populated areas of Gaza. The arguements are growing stranger, more creative. Adaptation I suppose.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 2:20 pm ET

professor

this morning has given the number of the dogs it killed. its not 13 ; its 80 dog.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 2:21 pm ET

Thanks for enlightening me CS. Buddha slide over.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 2:24 pm ET

January 19th, 2009 1420 GMT

professor

this morning Alkassam spokesman has given the number of the dogs it killed. its not 13 ; its 80 dog.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 2:36 pm ET

israeli discourse: peace.
israeli behaviour: mass-killings.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 2:40 pm ET

"Christian Palestination Brothers" Professor? I misunderstood you I suppose. Never knew that about you. You sounded more violent.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 3:00 pm ET

the occupation has really turned mad. now they attack religions. did you see the level of degradation?

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 3:00 pm ET

Stimulating conversation Professor. I don't expect you to get it. Not sure I do either. They, them, us. We all struggle along. Hope for peace so we don't kill each other. Inventing the wheel was helpful. Peace would be too. Linda changed her on-line name to Death Frog as a joke. Freaked out people. I didn't know why because it was a joke. If we can't even go there, I can't expect a whole lot. Turning down my expect knob in general. No offense. You really are smart guys. Interesting too. And you do listen which is a major first step. I admire that. I don't wish bad things for anyone.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 3:01 pm ET

WE ARE REALLY PROUD TO BE THE ONLY RELIGION THAT RESPECTS ALL PROPHETS WITHOUT EXCEPTION. THANKS GOD.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 3:03 pm ET

jokes about prophets.this is typical.

CS   January 19th, 2009 3:04 pm ET

GlLeigh. The inteeligence placed in your sarcastic remarks just overwhelm me. It really helps the situation too.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 3:07 pm ET

I have never seen this degree of hate and nsults. Professor has really managed to hurt people here.
NICE JOB PROF.

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 3:09 pm ET

I'm watching TV news videos of the Gaza Strip and the central area of Gaza City.

I agree-- sure looks like Hamas won the war!!
All I see are a bunch of Palestinians wandering around!
I don't see any Israelis anywhere!They must have killed all of the Israelis!.
They must all be buried underneath the rubble!
I'm sure if the Israelis had really won the war they would be there dancing on top of all the rubble!
I'm so disappointed!

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 3:12 pm ET

CS – I just get fed up sometimes. Not sure why. People seems so shallow to me. And they can't answer me sometimes. That really bugs me. I've dealt with it forever. The hubby gets close. He's pretty lost though the past few years.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 3:21 pm ET

He did mention "Christian Palestian Brothers" though. Perhaps that's a first step. It was a joke, of course, but a half step.

Akiva   January 19th, 2009 3:24 pm ET

What we are experiencing today in Islamic terrorism is the normalized pattern Muslims learned from Muhammad. Muslims never negotiate, compromise or enter peaceful co-existences with non-Muslims that are considered permanent. So too Muslims are content to dwell and sound reasonable and peaceful, until they reach large enough majorities to start flexing their terrorist muscles as we recently saw in the European riots and in France. Muslim quest for power and world domination is like a creeping weed or a slow dripping faucet that non-Muslims would be wise to take note of and action against.

txkboy   January 19th, 2009 3:25 pm ET

Will it Last? Ahhhhh...NO. Give it until the end of the day. Once the first rocket is fired, Isreal will be back in force and another 100 will die because one idiot fired one rocket.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 3:27 pm ET

Men at war are interesting. At least they say what they think. If I do that, ouch. I have hope for people in general. Not that it matters. Not much.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 3:30 pm ET

mo – at least you are challenging.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 3:31 pm ET

"It's the occupation......stupid." Get it right.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 3:33 pm ET

There is a they, them, and us. Then there are others who think we need to grow up. We are on the verge. I'm trying. The word vacuum has always fascinated me.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 3:33 pm ET

Roscoe
Mooshy Alon: "all the army did in gazza is turn around itself in the same areas again and again."

This is fear stupid.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 3:35 pm ET

vacuum means no atoms. Nothing sub particle. Sub particles do not follow the limits of nature. They are two places. They are gone, invisible. They conform to what we expect. Odd. Quatum physics. Someday scientists will get it. That will really be scary.

Beny   January 19th, 2009 3:36 pm ET

I love what Akiva said here (you are a different Akiva than from before, I assume):

"How many Arabs does it take to change the light bulb?
None. They'd rather sit in the dark and blame it on the Jews."

The world gave the Palestinians light which they only needed to uphold, and instead they went and smashed our Jewish bulbs. Now we're being blamed that this place is dark.

AS for the other Akiva (the crazy Neturei-Karta Hefetz guy):

"why won't you accept them as they are"

What Hamas are is an Iran-paid MusBro-operated terrorist group designed for one purpose only: killing as many Israelis as possible. They have no qualms about the means- dragging kids around, hiding weapons in mosques and schools and hospitals, booby-trapping houses- EVERYTHING IS FINE BY THEM.

We finally accepted them for what they are and what should be done.

Israel warned Hamas that it will react if the rockets continue. They kept on the rockets.

Israel proved, in the three-day cease-fire June 19th-21st, that unless you shoot rockets, we do nothing. They resumed the rockets.

Israel warned civilians by brochures and phone calls to avoid terrorist facilities. No Arab or European army EVER did that. Many lives were saved in Rafiah this way.

But in Gaza, Hamas forced the civilians close to them.

In Gaza, Hamas, disregarding Israel's threats and promises, continued the rockets.

In Gaza, Hamas drag little kids around as human shields. There is documented proof on YouTube, if you want.

In Gaza, Hamas steal vital UN aid given to the civilians, in order to feed their terrorists.

In Gaza, Hamas booby-trap houses, stock mosques with rockets (a lot of minor explosions could mean two things: the mosque is a firework factory, or the mosque is a weapon storage) and use school roofs as launching pads.

In Gaza, Hamas proudly declare the will "keep up the resistance", and run off to their bunkers, leaving the poor Palestinians out to pay for their crimes.

The innocent deaths (350 kids younger than 13 and people older than 80).
Aming the rest, women and men alike, investigations proceed to discern who was Hamas and who wasn't. IDF reports put it at 900 Hamas to 350 Non-Hamas. Hamas put it at 3 Hamas to 2500 non-Hamas.

Blaming Israel is both hypocritical and ignorant. Just an example: Nato forces in Kosovo in 1999 never went in there on foot. They just carpet-bombed the whole area, killing 100,000 civilians to 500 (by their own reports) terrorists.

Take a look how YOUR country dealt with terrorism before bashing us.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 3:36 pm ET

Gleigh
It’s the occupation……stupid.” Get it right.

nooooooooooooooooooo

its the occupation stupid.
lol

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 3:37 pm ET

weightless. Figure out that one. That's a dare. Truth or dare. I won't bother with truth.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 3:43 pm ET

Beny
Blaming Israel is both hypocritical and ignorant. Just an example: Nato forces in Kosovo in 1999 never went in there on foot. They just carpet-bombed the whole area, killing 100,000 civilians to 500 (by their own reports) terrorists.
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so this makes your killings legitimate. Nice logic.
to borrow a latin expression (since you like them to give us the impression you are a scholar):
the israeli will become a persona nongrata wherever he goes.
As the french say: "On a marre des israeliens."

Beny   January 19th, 2009 3:46 pm ET

GLeigh,

Some scientists believe that there is no such thing as a real vacuum. Many macro-distance interactions between micro-distance particles can't be explained simply by energy. Some assume that there are ALWAYS particles between them, thus you can't have a completely free space.

As for how sub-particles act, they adhere to the laws of Quantum mechanics more than Newtonian. And quantum mechanics ARE really strange. But think like this: imagine a micro-person, living in an atom, studying our world. Simple things like an apple falling or heat or light will be unimaginable to him! Sure, he can be at two places at the same time, but that's simple compared to the magics of rolling a ball! It's just a different world, really.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 3:48 pm ET

benyemen

Thanks for the information.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 3:48 pm ET

Benyman – go for me. I am pretty mellow and patient. I really, really need patience.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 3:49 pm ET

I'm bored. Don't send me a video. I have about 200 of them in my DVD case.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 3:50 pm ET

I may need the Professor, my "Christian Palestinian Brother" to help me.

Beny   January 19th, 2009 3:55 pm ET

Mohammed,

No, the fact that NATO commited war crimes does not justify us doing it (neither is there any war crime to justify). But it shows that YOU or anyone else have absolutely no right to accuse us.

Here is another latin expression: Israel is being rocketed with buses exploding and mall-killing-sprees, Palestinias (mostly Hamas) are dying en masse. Pro bono? Not Israel or the Palestinians, for sure, they only suffer. Who benefits? I'll tell you who- the one who's leading the current war on the West and needs war do cover their inside dictatorship and oppression. IRAN. That's Pro Bono.

P.S. It's your cat.....stupid.

Akiva   January 19th, 2009 3:56 pm ET

"Those who know nothing about Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those people are witless. Islam says: 'Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!' Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by the infidel? Islam says: 'Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter them.' Islam says: 'Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword.' The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim." (Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini)

benyemen   January 19th, 2009 3:57 pm ET

GRANDMA GLEIGH

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? BUT NO PROBLEM OLD PEOPLE TEND TO BRAWL

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 3:59 pm ET

to zionists:
are the elections worth the civilian extermination you systematically followed?
mAY BE BECAUSE YOU ARE A DEMONCRACY. THE ONLY DEMONCRACY IN THE REGION AND PROBABLY IN THE WHOLE WORLD (with USA).

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 4:08 pm ET

beny
i know you are bitter about Iran. you havent found any solution to its presence. it has armed hezbollah and its guerrilla humiliated you. it has armed hamas and alkassam killed 80 idf soldiers and you were obliged to stop the war unilaterally and without achieving any of the goal you set at the outset. Now , NATAENYAHO is angry at your leadership because of what he believes it a strategic error.
you stopped the war because ashkinazi told the political authority that its ar my is short of real targets and that either you penetrate cities(with the casualties expected), or kill civilians.
you lost the war because of iran. egypt was with you. you see the paradox?

Libra   January 19th, 2009 4:09 pm ET

@akiva
Let's not talk about Islam
Let's talk about Israeli government coming on to my land, in my home and killing my 5 children.
Let's talk about my right to defend myself.
Let's talk about Israel minding its own business.
Let's talk about the occupation first.
That's the problem.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 4:10 pm ET

benyeman – don't go there. A few have tried. Do have anything, with intelligence, to say or ask.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 4:11 pm ET

I saw once, after I had left, that the intelligent women left after you entered. I wondered if you were serious.

CS   January 19th, 2009 4:15 pm ET

Anybody wanna discuss the title of this thing? Or is this a session on telling eachother why we are all better or worse than each other. All never ending conversations.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 4:15 pm ET

Despite being nice and sweet, I have been challenged. On many terms. Guys in alleys. Other countries. Professors. I enjoyed having one laugh. It was a big relief. I was not good at something – my professor in French laughed at my French with a southern accent.. Reading and writing were better so still got an A. I do have a southern accent. I can't loose it. Never tried really. I've live in the north. Nice people. Are you nice. Not a question.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 4:16 pm ET

1- israel besieges gazza to make it starve.
2- israel compels fighters to lauch two rockets.
3- As a result israel kill and destroys gazza.

what shall we call this strategy:a stimulus-response model of politics?

i reall y dont know why some people still think you are a victim.
Ask Skinner.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 4:18 pm ET

benyeman – go for it. I am pretty mellow. Ask my sons who listen closely to me. I teach them. Hopefully they pay attention. My daughter runs circles around them. Just an FYI.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 4:20 pm ET

Mo – we all know what Arab people want. Israel off the map. That is very clear. I'm just simple. Sell it somewhere else.

Libra   January 19th, 2009 4:22 pm ET

I guess Israel has no intelligent females within its population.
Where else can they find one. Again, lying to the world.

benyemen   January 19th, 2009 4:22 pm ET

grandma gleigh

how old are your sons

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 4:23 pm ET

Waiting. The Palestian Christian Brother might help you out. Prof you there?

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 4:27 pm ET

22 and 16. I don't consider my age as bad. How old are yours? My daughter is 20. She is not patient like me. She manages a store in Hawaii. Not a classroom person. I tried for many years. Seeing professors run away was heartbreaking. Many things are. Do you want page numbers? I can tell you. Still.

CS   January 19th, 2009 4:28 pm ET

Libra. I'm sorry for your losses. It's amazing to me that people choose not to sympathize with someone in your (and many others') position. The terrorist zionists' just think you should have no anger for opressing them. You should have no animosity for controlling the media, to cover it's steps in this matter. You should have no hatred for a government who starves, opresses, and ultimately kills your children.
My heart is with the opressed. Not the opressors. Just as it would be with the Jews if they were being exterminated (just as they were in wwII). But it happens to be them who are the opressors of the day. And the media WILL NOT TELL THE TRUTH!

benyemen   January 19th, 2009 4:30 pm ET

yes grandma we want them off the map, any objection dear?

what do you tell them to listen so closely. and how old is your daughter dear mellow grandma, and where are you living and why do you want to learn french, and which southern dialect do you utter?

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 4:30 pm ET

gleigh

we all know what zionists want Palestine off the map. That is very clear. I’m just simple. Sell it somewhere else.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 4:32 pm ET

beneyman – still waiting. I wait a lot.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 4:34 pm ET

hope

I like her way of walking too. she wants to fool us by seeming a young female. as you said, her neck shows that she dates back to the period where people used to live in caves.
haaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhha

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 4:34 pm ET

Mo – Israel is and wants to be. So do you. Stop the rockets and maybe it will happen. For a few years or two thousand.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 4:37 pm ET

I was the peace person in my childhood family. I've done it many years. I don't want to be here honestly. Does anyone really want the human race to move on? I am blunt. I've been told that too many times.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 4:38 pm ET

Akiva
im a muslim.
my wife is a doctor and by the way she drives a car lol.
my kids study in expensive schools (they talk many languages, they use NTIC, etc...).
I CONDEMN islamic extremism
etc........................................
BUT I condemn your occupation too.
its the occupation stupid.

Hope   January 19th, 2009 4:39 pm ET

mohammed gharbawi

I am laughing as well..have a good day..gotta work :(

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 4:40 pm ET

gleigh
Mo – Israel is and wants to be. So do you. Stop the rockets and maybe it will happen. For a few years or two thousand.
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let our kids live (food, medicine, etc....) and we ll think your offer out.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 4:41 pm ET

CS – you really want to go there? I'm pretty much okay with that. I am really disguested that this peace agreement isn't better. I did expect more. It seems to me that intelligent beings, even here, should be able to work it out.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 4:41 pm ET

Hope
have a nice day

benyemen   January 19th, 2009 4:42 pm ET

i DON'T WANT PAGE NUMBERS I WANT

FREEDOM OR DEATH

MAY ALLAH BLESS YOUR CHILDREN IF THEY ARE NOT ZIONISTS AND MAKE THEM PATIENT AS YOU ARE.

AND LIVE FAR AWAY FROM THIS CURSED AREA, AND DON'T TAKE SIDES OF OUR WAR WITH THE ZIONISTS.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 4:45 pm ET

beneymen – I "utter" Arkansas, then other places, states and countries, then Wisconsin, and now here. Southern place again. I would never tell you. I am not a grandmother yet. I just don't see my children going there soon. They might. Tell me about yourself. Are you a grandpa? Do you have a weapon? Are you in a secret place? I'm in a gated community. Some around don't like this place. I like the trees. It spoke to me. Do you have trees? My play was interesting. Do you like plays? I like being close and seeing and hearing the music.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 4:50 pm ET

i was astonished to see the idf soldiers shouting victory over the tanks when they were withdrawing from gazza strip.
i asked myself: could it be that there human beings who are glad they killed newborns (they couldnt face alkassam fighters face to face)?
upon further thinking i realized that ht ey were happy because they were alive.

its the occupatin stupid.

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 4:53 pm ET

I’m watching TV news videos of the Gaza Strip and the central area of Gaza City.

It sure sure looks like Hamas won the war!!
All I see are a bunch of Palestinians wandering around!
I don’t see any Israelis anywhere!
Hamas must have killed all of the Israelis!.
The Israelis must all be buried underneath the rubble!
I’m sure if the Israelis had really won the war they would be there dancing on top of all the rubble!
I’m so disappointed!

I bet it was all a plan by Hamas, continue to send rockets into Israel until they destroy everything in Gaza. Then we can whine and cry and scream until someone buys all new stuff for us!!

Dream on- the friggin' gates are still closed!!!!

It's called, imprison the terrorists, stupid!

benyemen   January 19th, 2009 4:53 pm ET

GRANDMA GLEIGH

MY NAME IS BENYEMEN I.E. YOU CALL IT BENJAMIN.

HOW CAN YOU ASK FOR A CEASE OF FIRE, WE ARE OCCUPIED HERE PEOPLE DONT YOU GET THAT, STOPING THE FIRE WHICH IS ONE OF OUR POWERFUL OPTION IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, SO INSTEAD OF YOU PEOPLE TURNING TO THE VICTIM RESISTANCE FORCE PUT YOUR PRESSURE ON THE OCCUPIER TO LEAVE OUR LAND.

ITS THE OCCUPATION............................STUPID

CS   January 19th, 2009 4:54 pm ET

Akiva. The way you try to connect The religion of Islam with terrorism is very racist, and bigotted. Not thet someone like you would be offended at being called what you are. Here in America, we have domestic terrorism. Timmothy Mcveigh, David Koresh, Malvoe,KKK, Skinheads, Columbine massacre Virgina tech, etc.etc. The most radical of which, seem to be claiming to be Christian.
There are your kind, who opress and try to steal land, and starve muslims. There are the problems in Tibet. There are Islamic terrorists. There were Irish terrorists. Every group has some radical people. You cannot distinguish between the few, and the every day people. Some Muslims pray for you, and you don't even know it. Some Christians have donated to the cause of your forefathers during wwII. Are they terrorists too. If we all were like you, we would hate the entire world, because every race of people would be held responsible for what the few do. That would be pretty sad. You must be pretty lonely.

Sos   January 19th, 2009 4:54 pm ET

Israel wanted free elections in Gaza. They held them. The EU monitored them. Hamas won. That is called Democracy. Get used to it. Now Israel has created a concentration camp out of Gaza because the Palestinians elected the “wrong” side. So they cut them off from food, fuel electricity, medicine, journalists, the means to defend themselves, clean water, currency, trade and now they are destroying their infrastructure, schools, ambulances, universities, hospitals, doctors, professors, telecommunications, and on…… Now you don’t have a democracy living next to you. Now you have a massacre, IT IS CALLED GENOCIDE! How dare you mention those little rockets! If it were Americans we’d be defending ourselves too! Get this straight- The Palestinians are Freedom Fighters You are the TERRORISTS!

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 4:55 pm ET

gleigh
since you like music , you should be fond of the song "against all odds" by Elton John.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 4:59 pm ET

beneyemen – I dont even care about winning and loosing stuff. Not a big football fan either. The person who wins is the nicest, most peaceful person. In the end, that is. How much patience do you have? I ask for it a lot.

Hunk   January 19th, 2009 4:59 pm ET

Now over 537000 hits

We will not go down (Song for Gaza)

Akiva   January 19th, 2009 5:03 pm ET

Hadith 1:13– "I have been ordered by Allah to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah."
Hadith 1.24 "Narrated Ibn `Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers"
Hadith 1.25"Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."
Hadith 19:4294 "Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war."
Hadith 1:35 "The person who participates in Allah's cause (namely, in battle). . will be recompensed by Allah either with reward or booty or will be admitted to Paradise."
Hadith 9:4 "Wherever you find infidels kill them; for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."
Hadith 9:50, 57 "No Umma (a member of Muslim community) should be killed for killing a Kafir (an infidel). . Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him."
Sahih Muslim 4363: "You (the Jews) should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle and I wish to expel you from this land (Arabia)
Sahih Muslim 4366 Narrated by Umar ibn al-Khattab. Umar heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 5:09 pm ET

Well my kiddies won't be here. My oldest could care less. My middle, a girl, is more girly than I will ever be. My youndgest almost lost his foot in a car wreck. He saw it and said, That's going to take a long time to get well. I told him, Yeah but we'll get you to a hospital. It did take awhile. The hospital sent him to a bigger one. I didn't sleep for days. He likes military stuff, but he can't go there. He's fine. Just his foot looks like a scarred road map. For all the kiddies who need a good hospital, peace.

benyemen   January 19th, 2009 5:10 pm ET

OK GRANDMA GLEIGH

SO YOU ARE A REDNECK. (RACISTS) WHITE TRASH, DO YOU HOLD "NIGGAS" YET OR YOU HAVE FREED THEM TO BECOME PRESIDENTS. (DO YOU KNOW SOMEONE CALLED ROBERT MUGABE .......HE RAPED HIS POOR COUNTRY, DO YOU KNOW WHO RAPED AMERICA IS SOMEONE CALLED "DUBYA" AND GUESS WHAT THE STUPIDS HAVE ELECTED A "HOME NIGGA" TO FINISH WHAT DUBYA HAVE STARTED.

BY THE WAY DO YOU STILL MAKE SEX WITH YOUR KIDS, UNCLES, BROTHERS, FATHERS ETC....

WHAT A COUNTRY LESS OF ETHICS, VIRTUES, STANDARDS....ETC

DEATH TO AMERICA DEATH TO THE ZIONISTS

Hunk   January 19th, 2009 5:11 pm ET

An Experiment in Famine
Hamas is Not the Real Issue
By NEVE GORDON
EVERY ONE SHOULD READ THIS TO FIND OUT WHY THE ROCKETS ARE COMING
Neve Gordon teaches politics at Ben-Gurion University, Israel and can be reached at nevegordon@gmail.com
The experiment in famine began on January 18, 2008. Israel hermetically closed all of Gaza’s borders, preventing even food, medicine and fuel from entering the Strip. Power cuts, which had been frequent for many months, were extended to 12 hours per day. Due to the electricity shortage, at least 40 percent of Gazans have not had access to running water (which is channeled through electric pumps) for several days and the sewage system has broken down. The raw sewage that has not spilled onto the streets is now being poured into the sea at a daily rate of 30 million liters. Hospitals have been forced to rely on emergency generators leading them to cut back, yet again, on the already limited services offered to the Palestinian population. The World Food Programme has reported critical shortages of food and declared that it is unable to provide 10,000 of the poorest Gazans with three out of the five foodstuffs they normally receive.
After five days of extreme suffering, a group of Hamas militants took the lead, and blew-up parts of the steel wall along the Egyptian border. Within hours more than 100,000 Gazans crossed the border into Egypt. They were hungry, thirsty and sick of being locked up in a filthy cage. Once in Egypt they bought everything they could get their hands on and waited patiently for the international community to intervene on their behalf. Yet the world leaders failed them again, and on January 28, after a five day respite, the iron wall was re-erected and the Palestinians were pushed back into the world’s largest prison — the Gaza Strip.
Ehud Barak, Israel’s Minister of Defense, did not stammer when he justified his decision to experiment with famine; he had no qualms about introducing a policy that historically only the most brutal leaders have adopted.
His argument seems rational. Barak said that no government in the world would tolerate the ongoing bombardment of its citizens from across the border. Since other measures — like harsh economic sanctions, extra-judicial executions, the ongoing barrage of northern parts of the Strip as well as the bombardment of several critical infrastructure sites, like the electric power plant and Palestinian government offices — did not do the job, Israel had no other option.
This ostensibly rational argument conveniently ignores the fact that since its victory in the January 2006 democratic elections Hamas has proposed several cease-fire agreements, the latest emerging just last week. In these proposals, Hamas agrees to stop launching missiles at Israeli citizens, in exchange for Israel ending its incursions into Gaza, the assassinations of militants and political leaders, and the economic blockade.
Hamas’s proposals underscore two important facts. First, despite what Barak says the use of force is not the only option Israel has: The government could decide to open a dialogue with Hamas based on a cease-fire agreement. Second, it emphasizes, as Israeli critic Uri Avnery cogently observes, that Israel is cynically using the assaults on its own citizens as a pretext for attempting to overthrow the Hamas regime in Gaza and for preventing a Hamas takeover in the West Bank.
Ultimately, though, even the courageous Avnery does not spell out Israel’s main objective. The central issue for Israel is not Hamas yes or no, but rather Palestinian sovereignty yes or no. The recent crisis reveals, once more, that Israel’s August 2005 unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip was not an act of decolonization but rather the reorganization of Israeli power and the implementation of neo-colonial rule. Israel realized that in order to maintain sovereignty all it would have to do is preserve its monopoly over the legitimate means of movement. Very different from the withdrawal of British forces from the various colonies of old, it accordingly continued to dominate Gaza’s borders, transforming the Strip into a container of sorts whose openings are totally controlled by Israel.
The experiment in Gaza is, in other words, not really about the bombardment of Israeli citizens or even about Israel’s ongoing efforts to undermine Hamas. It is simply a new draconian strategy aimed at denying the Palestinians their most basic right to self-determination. It is about showing them who is in control, about breaking their backs, so that they lower their expectations and bow down to Israeli demands. The Palestinians understood this and courageously destroyed their prison wall while crying out into the wilderness for international support. Instead of the expected outrage, the only response they received was a weak echo of their own cry for help.
Neve Gordon teaches politics at Ben-Gurion University, Israel and can be reached at nevegordon@gmail.com

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 5:11 pm ET

Benyemen – Forgive my previous spelling. Yeah, I get it.

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 5:11 pm ET

mohammed gharbawi January 19th, 2009 1701 GMT

Roscoe

sincerly
before the hezbollah war, i used to see israel as a mighty and invincible army; now after your failure with a civil population, i have pity for you.
Now i see israel surrounded by billions of muslims who are waiting for the right time to eat you.

its the occupation stupid.
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You're even more stupid today than yesterday! Or maybe all the drugs have caused short term memory loss.

I've told you many times before, I'm neither Jewish nor do I live in Israel. So, I have contributed no part to your situation. So you can surround Israel with millions of muslims, I have no fear, and I'm sure that Israel has no fear!

You and your kind will simply contiue destroy each other because that's what you do.

But your terrorist rants is the exact reason for your destitution to poverty.

It's imprison the terrorists, stupid!

Why don't you go take out your hatred on your Egyption brothers who imprisoned you in Gaza???

It's imprison the terrorists, stupid!

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 5:14 pm ET

Gleigh

sorry to repeat myself, bur really you are a pain in the ass. you think you are clever with this low level psychology tactics to distract us from real issues.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 5:17 pm ET

Roscoe
well get to you when we will be done with mubarak. thanks to remind us of egypt.

Hunk   January 19th, 2009 5:18 pm ET

There is obviously no doubt that Israel is occupying Palestinian land.
The United Nations Security Council in Resolutions 446, 465 and 484,
among others, resolved that the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza
are occupied and that the Fourth Geneva Convention provisions
regarding occupied territories apply. In addition, the International Court
of Justice in its decision on the separation barrier, ruled that the West
Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem are occupied

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 5:19 pm ET

"if they are not Zionist" That pretty much says it all. Beneymen – I was curious. In need of entertainment. Bored. We are learning to living together, African and European and other. I'm probably an other mixed. A mut. I'm not a grandma. Is that your best shot? I could do a lot better. Trust me.

benyemen   January 19th, 2009 5:20 pm ET

GRANDMA GL

SO YOU ARE WITH THE WINNERS, I TOLD YOU ABOVE NO ETHICS REDNECK AND NO VIRTUE AND MORAL STANDARDS AMERICA AND THE ZIONIST

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 5:20 pm ET

CHANGE
YES WE CAN.

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 5:22 pm ET

Hunk January 19th, 2009 1711 GMT

An Experiment in Famine
Hamas is Not the Real Issue
By NEVE GORDON
EVERY ONE SHOULD READ THIS TO FIND OUT WHY THE ROCKETS ARE COMING
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There is no justification for the rockets! Not here, not anywhere!

Go plant the farms and raise your livestock , be self sufficient and stop depending on free hand outs form those who work for living!

It's imprison the terrorists, stupid!

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 5:26 pm ET

SEVEN REASONS WHY WE SHOULD JUDGE ISRAEL:
1- it occupies land by force.
2-it kills civilians.
3-it ignores THE UN resolutions.
4-it violates the Geneva convention.
5-it uses internationally banned weapons.
6-it destroys UN facilities.
7-it kills persons outside its borders (eg. Mughniyya in syria).

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 5:27 pm ET

Benyemen – Thinking about making you invisible. It seems a little mean. I didn't understand your last post. Your point is? I need a point to be in a good fuss.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 5:28 pm ET

roscoe

stop begging the us for money too.

Hunk   January 19th, 2009 5:28 pm ET

Roscoe,

you don't agree with it is up to you.

But Its the rockets stupid.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 5:30 pm ET

akiva
are you like us; i mean you eat, sleep, laugh, etc..........?

benyemen   January 19th, 2009 5:33 pm ET

AWAITING YOUR BEST SHOT GRANDMA CAN DO A LOT BETTER....THERE YOU GO A MESSAGE FROM

MO G.
January 19th, 2009 1714 GMT

Gleigh

sorry to repeat myself, bur really you are a pain in the ass. you think you are clever with this low level psychology tactics to distract us from real issues.

Hunk   January 19th, 2009 5:33 pm ET

The term Palestine has been associated variously and sometimes controversially with this small region, which some have asserted also includes Jordan. Both the geographic area designated by the name and the political status of it have changed over the course of some three millennia. The region (or at least a part of it) is also known as the Holy Land and is held sacred among Christians, and Muslims. Since the 20th century it has been the object of conflicting claims of Jewish and Arab national movements, and the conflict has led to prolonged violence and, in several instances, open warfare.

The word Palestine derives from Philistia, the name given by Greek writers to the land of the Philistines, who in the 12th century bc occupied a small pocket of land on the southern coast, between modern Tel Aviv–Yafo and Gaza. The name was revived by the Romans in the 2nd century ad in “Syria Palaestina,” designating the southern portion of the province of Syria, and made its way thence into Arabic, where it has been used to describe the region at least since the early Islamic era. After Roman times the name had no official status until after World War I and the end of rule by the Ottoman Empire, when it was adopted for one of the regions mandated to Great Britain; in addition to an area roughly comprising present-day Israel and the West Bank, the mandate included the territory east of the Jordan River now constituting the Hashimite Kingdom of Jordan, which Britain placed under an administration separate from that of Palestine immediately after receiving the mandate for the territory.

The name Palestine has long been in popular use as a general term to denote a traditional region, but this usage does not imply precise boundaries. The perception of what constitutes Palestine’s eastern boundary has been especially fluid, although the boundary frequently has been perceived as lying east of the Jordan River, extending at times to the edge of the Arabian Desert. In contemporary understanding, however, Palestine is generally defined as a region bounded on the east by the Jordan River, on the north by the border between modern Israel and Lebanon, on the west by the Mediterranean Sea (including the coast of Gaza), and on the south by the Negev, with its southernmost extension reaching the Gulf of Aqaba.

The strategic importance of the area is immense: through it pass the main roads from Egypt to Syria and from the Mediterranean to the hills beyond the Jordan River.

Settlement depends closely on water, which is almost never abundant. Precipitation, which arrives in the cool half of the year, decreases in amount in general from north to south and from the coast inland. Perennial rivers are few, and the shortage of water is aggravated by the porous nature of the limestone rocks over much of the country.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 5:34 pm ET

The Redneck thing is good. Another twist that I didn't expect. My relatives, from the south in the boonies, some are really redneck. Some are not. I married a northern Harvard person. It's really fun teasing each other. Ying and Yang.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 5:36 pm ET

Akiva

wallahi wallahi we will wipe you from the map.

hayhata minna ddilla.

its the occupation stupid.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 5:43 pm ET

what is taken by force should be brought back by force
this is history.
have you ever heard about negociations that last for more than 30 years.
these are not negociations; these are drugs.

in order to be accepted internationally, we should politely ask israel to give us all our land, our prisoners, etc.
do you think we will reach our aims this way.

its the occupation stupid.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 5:47 pm ET

beneymmen – ok here goes. When I was young my dad went and picked up my brother. He was closing a business, a small one, and had been beat half to death. Throwing up in the car. Not sure why my dad took me. He wanted me to know things I guess. Three white guys had jumped him for the money bag to the bank. A black guy in a semi came out with a tool iron and saved his life. Really. Fast forward about 28 years. My mom was in the heart part of a hospital, ICU. I slept in a recliner and walked a lot. It was a terrible part of a city. I had winos with empty bottles approach me. I waited. Never got challenged. I was small and had a purse with make up. Odd. Anyway, was sitting outside once. A man and his brother were there. They started giving me a hard time. I saw beyond that. I asked them what was wrong. There brother was dying in ICU, not in the heart ward. I asked to go there. I was sad. Then I took them to my mom's side. She was dying too. It was a connection. Then my brother saw my new friend. It was the guy who had saved him long ago. It took me awhile to believe it, but they were hugging. I finally had to. Do you want any more from me. People are people. I hugged him too. My brother had a terrible back but insisted on being macho.

Akiva   January 19th, 2009 5:49 pm ET

mohammed gharbawi
Exactly! Then please refrain from giving me useless information. Your story concerning your high status in life in your Muslim country, where even women can drive, is really heartwarming. However, that doesn't change the fact that Islam spreads hate and violence. There is more than enough proof and doesn't warrant any further discussion.
The root cause of most of the conflicts in the world right now is this idea that Islam is somehow superior to other religions and that your God is better than ours and that apparently gives you the right to kill anybody who doesn't agree with you.
Killing innocent women and children is an old Islamic trick and it’s a bit rich to cry about innocent women and children in Gaza.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 5:50 pm ET

You want to go there with me. I suggest you not. I just know truth.

benyemen   January 19th, 2009 5:50 pm ET

GRANDMA GL

WHAT DID YOU MARRY A "BROTHER" FROM THE NORTH, HOW ABOUT THE 23 YEAR STUD

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 5:54 pm ET

He is my husband. We have a son who just turned 22. We all have a hero. I've had mine since I was very young. Amazingly, he or she might be from the other side. Consider that in your idea of humanity.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 5:55 pm ET

I got to met him. Took a little work. Life is good.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 6:03 pm ET

We have been married 23 years. Read closer. He is 53 almost 54.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 6:04 pm ET

akiva
no east; no west; islam is the best.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 6:08 pm ET

Mo – that is really ridiculous. I don't have boyfriends. I wouldn't do the webcam thing with you. I'm just a person struggling along. Some things seem offensive to me. Married women should have principles. I have them. No offense. I'm sure you are just crawling around like the rest of us.

Beny   January 19th, 2009 6:08 pm ET

I am still waiting for the description of "occupies land by force". Otherwise you are as credible as me saying it's all because of Mohammed's cat (......stupid).

6 REASONS WHY WE SHOULD JUDGE HAMAS:

1) They created a dictatorship reign through political cleansing of all opposing parties, like Hitler did in 1933.

2) They kill civilians of both sides. They shoot rockets at Israeli civilians and publicly execute Fatah-supportive civilians.

3) They ignore every pact, agreement and resolution ever signed. From the Oslo pact, to the Children's Right's convention.

4) They sacrifice little kids in three ways:

a) Preach in schools of the "greatness" of killing yourself and then send kids to explode on Israelis.

b) Drag around little kids to use as human shields against IDF snipers.

c) Booby-trap schools and homes to explode. Use schools and homes as launching pads.

ALL THREE ARE A BLATANT VIOLATION OF CHILDREN'S RIGHTS AND ARE PUNISHABLE BY INTL. LAW.

5) They attack, unprovoked, a neighboring country. Let me remind you that the blockade came AFTER the Kassams.

6) They STEAL UN aid intended for the Gazans.

benyemen   January 19th, 2009 6:08 pm ET

OK GRANDMA

YOU WIN..............THERE IS A SAYING IN ARABIC WHICH I DIDN'T ADHERE TO UNTIL NOW WHICH SAYS:

"ARGUING WITH A GRANDMA IS LIKE ARGUING WITH A SHEEP"

BYE GRANDMA GLEIGH

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 6:10 pm ET

benyemen – good choice. I have yet to reach that status. But bye-bye.

Akiva   January 19th, 2009 6:11 pm ET

mohammed gharbawi
Who exactly are you, and I must assume, the army of the devil, going to wipe of the face of the earth?
May I remind you that the battle of Armageddon is probably not that far away and we will finally get rid of Islam and peace will reign.
Yes, I eat sleep and laugh but not like you, I enjoy it more, except of course, when I am in one of these depressive Islamic countries.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 6:12 pm ET

Where is my "Palestinian Christian Brother" when I need his protection. Sorry really struck me as funny.

benyemen   January 19th, 2009 6:14 pm ET

SORRY GRANDMA GLEIGH

THE SAYING IS:

"ARGUE WITH A SHEEP, THAN WITH AN OLD LADY"

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 6:17 pm ET

Beneyemen – I have read about the sheep thing. Yuk.

Beny   January 19th, 2009 6:22 pm ET

Benyemen,

I agree with the saying. The only one you and your Arab friends can win an argument with is a sheep. GLeigh is just too much for you.

I pity the sheep, really.

P.S. It's your cat.......stupid.

CS   January 19th, 2009 6:27 pm ET

Sos speaks truth. Akiva is insubbordinate. She refuses to accept that it is HER countrymen who rape, pilage, steal, lie, and opress. It is no surprise to me that any media, other that Israeli media was allowed into Gaza. Nor was it surprising that the Israeli military targeted schools, and media (UN) buildings that they knew civilians were in. What barbarians.
I mean, this claim that Muslims are the reason for most of the world's conflict is just silly. How small is the planet YOU'RE from? I'm a Christian, and will be the first to admitt that most of the world's death and destruction has been caused by either Christians or Jews.
Holocaust= "Christian"
Native American="Christian"
Lebanon="Jewish"
Hiroshima/Nagasaki="Christian"
Vietnam="Christian"
1948= eviction of Palestine="Jewish/Christian"
1967= "Jewish"
African Slave Trade="Christian"
Apartheid=""Christian"
Cold War="Christian"
Cutting off the noses of Egyptian Statue faces, to alter true history="Christian"
Man eating cannibals (Jeffery Dahmer and the likes)="Christian"

The destruction of the world...Probably will be able to blame the Dynamic duo for that too. Thanks.

Beny   January 19th, 2009 6:28 pm ET

Take a look at 1:18. An IDF soldier finds two rockets and a bag full of magazines inside a CIVILIAN HOME.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 6:30 pm ET

I really would be better off more stupid. Just never has worked for me. I get to drive a car. Like the perks.

Linda   January 19th, 2009 6:33 pm ET

Gleigh, Beny, HAAAAAAAAY!

Linda   January 19th, 2009 6:34 pm ET

Beny,
I'm glad I found you!

Linda   January 19th, 2009 6:35 pm ET

Gleigh, I mailed you. And just after that, I got some great news, have to tell you about it.

Linda   January 19th, 2009 6:39 pm ET

I just got online to check my mail, got a great phone call. I feel so tired, but I am so happy. :)

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 6:41 pm ET

That should have been a question. How are you doing? Still trying not to think about the sheep deal.

Beny   January 19th, 2009 6:41 pm ET

CS,

And would it be a surprise for you to know that schools were booby-trapped and used as launching pads?

Jordan massacre of 25,000 Palestinians 1979- MUSLIM.

Syrian massacre of 5000 Sunnis in 1982- MUSLIM.

Darfur genocide, hundreds of thousands dead- MUSLIM.

Nigerian civil war, thousands dead- MUSLIMS.

The Holocaust was also aided by Hussieni- MUSLIMS.

9/11- MUSLIMS.

Every other international terrorism for a long time, with a total of thousands of innocents killed- MUSLIM.

EVERY SUICIDE BOMBING IN ISRAEL, ALTOGEHTER THOUSANDS OF INNOCENTS KILLED- MUSLIM.

Hamas killing hundreds of civilians in Hamas-Fatah clashes- MUSLIM.

Many more examples.

And as for 1948 and 1967, take a look at WHO DECLARED WAR ON WHOM before you call them "Jews" fault.

The destruction of the world....probably Muslims, if they don't kill each other off before that.

Linda   January 19th, 2009 6:43 pm ET

Gleigh,
I saw the sheep thing. The saying should be, "just don't argue with a women at all!"

Beny   January 19th, 2009 6:44 pm ET

LINDA! A pleasure as always. What good news have you to share with us?

Linda   January 19th, 2009 6:45 pm ET

Beny,
I sat up a gmail account. mail me at lindagleigh!

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 6:47 pm ET

That might be why they cannot drive. To keep us from making sense. Something to consider. But, that stuff never bothered me. Men in the south are a little odd too. I've broken up laughing a few times. In another country, I would be flogged or worse probably. I once slapped a man in Greece. The hubby was buying something and came running. He asked me not to get him killed. He heard the echo. Well the buy deserved it, and I assured him that I was perfectly capable of defending my own honor. Not sure how.

Beny   January 19th, 2009 6:48 pm ET

You set up a joint account with GLeigh?

Linda   January 19th, 2009 6:49 pm ET

I just sat one up with that name.

Linda   January 19th, 2009 6:51 pm ET

Gleigh,
What did the guy do to make you slap him? Oh, my, that is so funny! I can't believe your husband heard it and came running.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 6:54 pm ET

I wrote you Linda. Yesterday the guys were at the desk. Teens have overtaken the house today so it's loud again, but I'm here. For now. School is back tomorrow! Doing the happy dance even if you cannot see it.

Solomon   January 19th, 2009 6:54 pm ET

Saudi Arabian King Abdullah warned on Monday that a 2002 Arab initiative offering peace with Israel would not remain on the table forever.

Israel must understand that the choice between war and peace would not always stay open, Abdullah told delegates in Kuwait City at a summit focused on boosting economic growth and development in the Arab world.

Israel will not understand.
this peace initiative is going nowhere.I think the Arabs should prepare to liberate their land by war.you will not find an Arab that believe in peace with this so called Israel.

one good thing that might have come from the Gaza killings is that the Arabs are united now like no time before. I think it is time to all Arabs to arm the Palestinians and Hizbollah and be prepared for war soon.

Linda   January 19th, 2009 6:55 pm ET

Yes, I saw your mail. I wrote 2 back. You will be so glad when the teens are out of the house. So what are we discussing today about the ME?

Linda   January 19th, 2009 6:57 pm ET

Hello Solomon,
Good to see you again

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 6:58 pm ET

Solomon – I almost wrote. I won't You'd be offended. I do that too much.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 7:01 pm ET

so how is the weather in Gaza?

Solomon   January 19th, 2009 7:03 pm ET

Hello Linda.

GLeigh???????????????????

cubfan   January 19th, 2009 7:03 pm ET

The problem with Hamas is they are all talk and no action. The IDF would find their graves in Gaza, didn’t happen. Why? These cowards were hiding in schools, Mosques and hospitals. I read one story where the press interviewed a Hamas fighter and he was proud to be in hiding and waiting to get his blood money for the week from Iran. Hamas might have lived thru this battle but the Palestinians are going to take an inventory of what was promised and everything they lost and kick these fools to the curb.

Did Hamas gain access to the outside world? No they are even more under siege than before.

Was Hamas able to provide security and safety to the people of Gaza? No hell was unleashed on them by the IDF.
Electricity? No
Water? No
Protection? No
Revenge? No
Food? No
Medical help? No
Jobs? No
Sleep? No
Housing? No

So what did the idiot Hamas bring to Gaza?

Death? Yes
Famine? Yes
Sleep deprivation? Yes
Poverty? Yes
Hopelessness? Yes
Embarrassment? Yes
Despair? Yes
Humiliation? Yes
Grief? Yes
Pain? Yes
Misery? Yes
Sorrow, depression, regret, YES, YES and YES

Linda   January 19th, 2009 7:06 pm ET

Hi Cubfan,
I also saw on the TV where the aid is going to start arriving in Gaza, but that the EU will NOT help rebuild Gaza as long as Hamas is in power

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 7:09 pm ET

Can't say Solomon. Cubbie fan – the problem with Hamas is that they are men like the unHamas people. Men always find a reason to fight. They like it. Ask them. If they aren't fighting, they are bored. Well, I hope for peace. As a mom. Let's get beyond searching for fighting and look for other things. I won't go into the other things part.

Solomon   January 19th, 2009 7:10 pm ET

cubfan.
Israel Did not achieve one objective .killing and wounding 7000 civilian is not war it is genocide all imperial powers did that without success.

Hamas lost 48 fighters in this war. before this war Hamas had the support of few million Arabs now the support is universal.

Hamas Gave Israel one week to leave it looks like Israel already left.

Palestine for ever.

cubfan   January 19th, 2009 7:12 pm ET

Linda,
That is good start. I never thought the EU had the stones to stand up to Hamas and the Arabs in their streets.

Linda   January 19th, 2009 7:13 pm ET

Cubfan,
It looks like the international community is going to put pressure on the situation after all. I hope these people will do the right thing, so that all can have peace!

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 7:14 pm ET

I hope the soldiers of Israel do get to go home, as a mom. I remember seeing one guy on a tank. He was about the age of my oldest son, 22. My uncle who had his same first name, was pulled out a tank in WW II, stomped and left for dead. He had a glass stomach. He lived. I remember, as thing started, knowing a lot of moms were going to sad on both sides. But, guys get to shoot guns. Guess that makes up for it. And blow stuff up.

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 7:16 pm ET

Beny the one way ticket..

it is the occupation.. stupid...

oc-cu-pa-tion..

let me try to explain you what occupation may mean to your weak and underdeveloped curves of greyish fleshy organ which normally resides under the skull bone of a normal human being, if not blown by IDF..

the oc-cu-pa-tion is the act of taking control and/or ownership of a land , possession or property of someone by means of brute force.

sounds familiar? I guess so.. it reads in your history ..not ?

Solomon   January 19th, 2009 7:17 pm ET

Linda
Hamas do not need the EU now that the Arabs at Kuwait summit say that 1.5 billion dollars are ready to rebuild Gaza.
Hamas is a Legitimate resistance force , they were even invited to the Summit in Doha.

Linda   January 19th, 2009 7:17 pm ET

My grandfather was in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. Not only do they get to go home to their parents, a lot of wives and children of the soldiers will be happy. Also, I am sure the people of Gaza are elated that the shelling has stopped. Let's hope it lasts, and some kind of agreement will be reached between both countries.

Steve Canada   January 19th, 2009 7:18 pm ET

YES WE CAN!

Let's ALL stand up for peace

Stop the rockets-–PASS IT ON

Linda   January 19th, 2009 7:18 pm ET

Solomon,
My point was, that I wish it could be an international effort

Beny   January 19th, 2009 7:25 pm ET

Linda I mailed you. Chebky, if you want to know, came from Cheburashka, a Russian cartoon figure.

Turk,

What if that possesion came in the process of self-defence? That's occupation too, but I doubt it's illegal

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 7:25 pm ET

Hamas is an elected government. I hope this government is a creative force and not a destructive one. Time will show us. It's not about money.

Linda   January 19th, 2009 7:26 pm ET

Got it beny!

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 7:29 pm ET

Solomon January 19th, 2009 1917 GMT

Linda
Hamas do not need the EU now that the Arabs at Kuwait summit say that 1.5 billion dollars are ready to rebuild Gaza.
Hamas is a Legitimate resistance force , they were even invited to the Summit in Doha.
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Good luck getting that money!!! The tunnels are are closed and the banks aren't permitted to transfer it!!

He! He! He!

What could the people in Gaza buy with it anyhow????

It's imprison the terrorosts stupid!!

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 7:32 pm ET

Solomon January 19th, 2009 1917 GMT

Hamas is a Legitimate resistance force , they were even invited to the Summit in Doha

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They got the invite to Doha only after Abbas said he would not attend!

And-- they didn't get an invite the "real" session in Kuwait today- but, Abbas was there!!

It's imprison the terrorists stupid!!!!!

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 7:33 pm ET

it is "the occupation"...
self defence is a lie ...

if it was not occupation ... and was self defence, why Israel announces it will draw its forces before inauguration ... not self defending anymore?

even a child could understand the meaning of occupation..

cubfan   January 19th, 2009 7:33 pm ET

Solomon
The IDF can come and go whenever they please in Gaza, there is no defending Hamas force to stop them. This war showed the world that the people of Gaza exist at the mercy of Israel and Hamas has no say in what the future of Gaza will be. The IDF has free reign in Gaza, Hamas has been neutered and are irrelevant.

Solomon   January 19th, 2009 7:35 pm ET

Roscoe
tunnels are already in operation borders will be open soon, or rockets will be flying again.

Egypt from now on is not the same Egypt before this war.watch and see.

Palestine for ever.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 7:38 pm ET

Linda – the pizza got here. I kept my fingers out of the way. See, I told you that guys just want to shoot guns and blow stuff up. They don't want peace. They even admit it.

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 7:40 pm ET

The Turk January 19th, 2009 1916 GMT

Beny the one way ticket..

it is the occupation.. stupid…

oc-cu-pa-tion..

let me try to explain you what occupation may mean to your weak and underdeveloped curves of greyish fleshy organ which normally resides under the skull bone of a normal human being, if not blown by IDF..

the oc-cu-pa-tion is the act of taking control and/or ownership of a land , possession or property of someone by means of brute force.

sounds familiar? I guess so.. it reads in your history ..not ?
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It's called-- the creation of the State of Israel and the creation of an Arab State in accordance with the power and authority of Great Btritain, the UN and it's member nations.

What happened after that was-- It's imprison the terrorists, stupid!!!

If you have a problem with the decisions made by the authoritative powers, you should take it up with the UN. I'm sure they'll listen to your slobbering jibberish and psycobabble!!!

Solomon   January 19th, 2009 7:41 pm ET

cubfan..
I dont think you know what you are talking about.
if Hamas still fires rockets at will If Israel can not stop the rockets how can you say Israel can do what she wishes in Gaza.

as one Israeli former army chief said we went to open space shoot from miles away we did not achieve any thing then we left.
it is down hill from now on for Israel watch and see .

Palestine for ever.

cubfan   January 19th, 2009 7:42 pm ET

Solomon
Israel could create settlements throughout Gaza if they wanted to. Who is going to stop them, Hamas? The IDF went where ever they wanted to in Gaza, no resistance anywhere. Heck Israel could make Gaza an Israeli territory and there is nothing Hamas could do about it. Hamas is a castrated terrorist organization that could not hold one inch of the Gaza strip.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 7:45 pm ET

Mankind is moving forward, despite itself and set backs. I can't wait for Cern to start up again. Awesome discoveries. Alife fascinates me. So does stem cell research. The world will go forward in the end. I don't know what history will happen to who. But I have some hope for mankind, in general. If we can stop bickering enough to go there.

Linda   January 19th, 2009 7:46 pm ET

Gleigh,
Yes, a lot of them want to fight. I am just staying out of it. It doesn't seem that anything can be said to stop them.

Solomon   January 19th, 2009 7:47 pm ET

cubfan.

dont try to be brave with words. your defeated Israeli army knows how to kill women and children. but they are unable to do stop rockets and that is why they started this war as they claim.

these Illegal settlments in the west bank we will destroy over you heads Just like you did to Palestinians in Gaza.

Palestine for ever.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 7:49 pm ET

Linda – go figure. The guys started having a "battle" with the new pool sticks. I had to call them down. Stupid.

Solomon   January 19th, 2009 7:49 pm ET

cubfan.
one week for Israel to leave it looks like they already left .

does that tell you something?

cubfan   January 19th, 2009 7:50 pm ET

Solomon
The IDF were drinking Tea, smoking cigarettes, and sunbathing in Gaza city waiting for the Hamas fighters to show up for a fight. Your great Hamas army never came out of their holes with their soiled pants from fear to meet the Israeli army who walks with God on the battlefield. With no one to fight the IDF just packed up from their Arab holiday and went home.

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 7:50 pm ET

Solomon January 19th, 2009 1935 GMT

Roscoe
tunnels are already in operation borders will be open soon, or rockets will be flying again.

Egypt from now on is not the same Egypt before this war.watch and see.

Palestine for ever.
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so the fireworks will start again soon??? Can't wait.!!!!

As far asthe tunnels in operation-- can't say that I can confirm that one. But, I can confirm that Egypt is definitely not the same!! Their are US Army Corps of Engineers and Spec. Ops- boots on the ground with high tech equipment and training of international and Egyptian forces. Ground penetrating radar and sounding equipment to detect things such as tunnels and storage facilities and bunkers. There's been boots on the ground for a few weeks now- prior to the Incursion. So, your right, Egypt is not the same anymore!

It's imprison the terrorists stupid!

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 7:55 pm ET

Solomon January 19th, 2009 1949 GMT

cubfan.
one week for Israel to leave it looks like they already left .

does that tell you something?
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It certainly does tell me something!!!!!!

It tells me that if the Hamas fires more rockets, those IDF don't want to be any where close to the launch sites because the entire plac ewill rapidly be engulfed in a ball of flames!

The IDF want to be on the outside looking in.

It's imprison the terrorists, stupid!!

Linda   January 19th, 2009 7:55 pm ET

Well, I'm out of here, time to check mail and nap. Have a good day All!

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 7:56 pm ET

Roscoe,

what happened those 100s of UN resolutions Israel disregarded.?

no one cares about UN anymore, it is the PUPPY.ORG.. they can meet and circle jerk as before..

what is funny is the possible "peaceful" future of the "prite state" of Israel..

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 7:57 pm ET

Well, this is all a guy thing. I need to go. Hopefully it will work out. Peace all. I hope you "men" are able to figure it out, for the sake of the women.

cubfan   January 19th, 2009 7:57 pm ET

Solomon
How can you remain so enthralled with Hamas when they just got their butts kicked like a Mike Tyson punching bag? Hamas is a Joke and I suspect you realize it now. Know that Israel knows there is nothing but glory in attacking Hamas in Gaza, how long will it be before the Gaza strip is brought into the ever expanding Israeli empire. The IDF could march all the way to Tehran if they wanted to and conquer the entire Persian empire.

GLeigh   January 19th, 2009 8:00 pm ET

Linda – writing you back now.

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 8:01 pm ET

Solomon January 19th, 2009 1947 GMT

these Illegal settlments in the west bank we will destroy over you heads Just like you did to Palestinians in Gaza.

Palestine for ever.

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Is that why I see the Palestininans in the West Bank laughing and dancing in the streets a screaming-– " Hamas are fools! That's why they are locked up in Gaza!"

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 8:04 pm ET

the whole world saw how criminal the prite state of Israel is / was...

it is the baby killers stupids...

IDF could only attack women and babies... could not stop the rockets.. what a bravery... history will remember you killers.. even your god told you many times : Lo tirtzach.

You shall not commit murder.

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 8:05 pm ET

cubfan January 19th, 2009 1957 GMT

Solomon
How can you remain so enthralled with Hamas when they just got their butts kicked like a Mike Tyson punching bag? Hamas is a Joke and I suspect you realize it now. Know that Israel knows there is nothing but glory in attacking Hamas in Gaza, how long will it be before the Gaza strip is brought into the ever expanding Israeli empire. The IDF could march all the way to Tehran if they wanted to and conquer the entire Persian empire.

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Cubfan-– one word-– denial !

(That's if you assume he's just not ignorant)!

Solomon   January 19th, 2009 8:06 pm ET

Roscoe
.keep on talking like that that is an indication that your Israel is living on borrowed time .you will be buried exactly like previous invaders to Palestine.

no future for you in Palestine . to give you an example after all you did to the Palestinians in Gaza they are putting tents at the wreckage of their Homes
now ask your self this question if this would have happened to Jews how many of them will be still around or will there be enough ships to evacuate them to their original countries

Palestine for ever

gone for now.

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 8:10 pm ET

:))))))))))))))))

Roscoe said :

"The IDF could march all the way to Tehran if they wanted to and conquer the entire Persian empire."

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thank you roscoe, you made me lough and wish god makes you lough too..

are you from Mars?
have you landed recently?

Beny   January 19th, 2009 8:15 pm ET

Goodnight, gotta give up the computer. Linda, mail you tomorrow!

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 8:18 pm ET

The Turk January 19th, 2009 2010 GMT

:))))))))))))))))

Roscoe said :

“The IDF could march all the way to Tehran if they wanted to and conquer the entire Persian empire.”

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thank you roscoe, you made me lough and wish god makes you lough too..

are you from Mars?
have you landed recently?
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Sorry there Turk!!! Your ignorance predeeds you!

I never said that!!!!!

Maybe you should calm down a little, re-group and find out where that really di come from!!

It's imprison the the terrorists, stupid!!

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 8:19 pm ET

ahh roscoe and cubfan are from Mars. :)))))))

yes.. persia yes you can invade it yes.. :))))

iran can drawn you only with their spit.

iran and turkey did not fought for the last 450 years because we know each other.. iran did not changed it borders with its neighbors for the last many hundred years.. and no one was capable of invading them either..

you can bomb them them if you dare to.. but its huuuge... and dont make mistake to compare it with Iraq the tribal crowd.. you know, you Israelis are new to the reigon, recenly landed... you may make mistakes to underestimate who is who...

or just do it and the "problem" is solved automatically :))) and you are diminished..

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 8:25 pm ET

Solomon January 19th, 2009 2006 GMT

Roscoe
.keep on talking like that that is an indication that your Israel is living on borrowed time .you will be buried exactly like previous invaders to Palestine.

no future for you in Palestine . to give you an example after all you did to the Palestinians in Gaza they are putting tents at the wreckage of their Homes
now ask your self this question if this would have happened to Jews how many of them will be still around or will there be enough ships to evacuate them to their original countries

Palestine for ever

gone for now.
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Soloman-- first off, I'm not Jewish, nor do i live in Israel

Second-- the smart thing fpr the Palestinians of Gaza would have been for them to evacuate the cities and go to the farmalnds and put up tents in a safe place. That's what the UN and ICRC do for the people of Africa fleeing from violent areas!

But, maybe this just wasn't possible. Maybe they had no choice. Maybe they were forced to stay in the urban areas where the Hamas could use them for protection!!!

It's imprison the terrorists!

cubfan   January 19th, 2009 8:27 pm ET

The Turk
The Spartans defeated the Persians with only 300 men against a Persian force of over a million at The Battle of Thermopylae. Israel defeated the Arab forces in a 7 day war. Alexander the Greats army crossed the Hellespont with only approximately 42,000 soldiers and conquered the Persian Empire. History has shown us time after time that Arabs do not know how to wage war and are doomed to failure.
The Conquest of all the Arab states might take the IDF 3 months if they dilly dally their way to Tehran.

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 8:32 pm ET

GLeigh January 19th, 2009 1938 GMT

Linda – the pizza got here. ****************************************************

Is there any pizza left????

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 8:35 pm ET

cubfan...
you watch too much holywood films... that is a 3000 years old fairy tale.. idiot... but we live today..

besides here a news from BBC :

"The UN Secretary-General, Ban Ki-moon, is planning to visit Gaza on Tuesday to inspect the damage, but that his trip "could be subject to change", Israeli officials said. "

Israel is so afraid of their war crimes that even UN secretary-general ( a secretary ? or a general? we dont know ) can not go in to Gaza and see the war crimes..

we want international war crimes tribunal...

we want justice...

we want baby killers be punished...

Akiva   January 19th, 2009 8:36 pm ET

The Turk

Let it be a good lesson for you: You shall not commit murder

I suppose Hamas, Al-Aqsa Brigades and Islamic Jihad are all choir boys who have never committed a bad deed in their lives.
They only catch little sick birds and nurse them back to health.
What they really do is help old ladies across the street....and then they stab them to death.
There will never be peace until all Muslim extremists are eradicated. If I was Palestinian, I would be very cautious of making claims that Israel would be wiped off the face of the earth. It’s not going to happen! The Palestinians can only loose.
As for the Turks and the Iranians, they are not natural friends. Israel won’t attack Turkey because they don’t have a fight with Turkey. Turkey will not help Iran if attacked by Israel. Period. Some Turkish Muslims will try but will fail. I suspect you might end up with a civil war in Turkey before you fight Israel. And you have the Kurds to worry about.
The other Arab states, except Syria, want nothing to do with Iran. And remember, Iran had their asses kicked by Saddam Hussein not all that long ago.

Jinny Lee   January 19th, 2009 8:39 pm ET

Is it that difficult to live in peace?.....By the actions and brainwashing of the governments of this world....apparently.

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 8:40 pm ET

cubfan January 19th, 2009 2027 GMT

The Turk

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He's left- got pi**ed off because we were ganing up on him, I guess!

Went looking for a burka to hide under!

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 8:40 pm ET

cubfan...

do not make mistakes...
persians are not arabs,
and arabs are not nations with army legends..
they are tribal..the rifles in their hands does not make them an army..
and do not self motivate your idiocity with "7 arab armies" since 7 or 77 of them makes no sense from military point of view..

that mistake would be fatal for your prite state...

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 8:43 pm ET

what is next israel?

THE PENAL COURT MY FRIENDS.

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 8:45 pm ET

its in your dreams roscoe... that you can gain on us..

you are just another peace of baby killer... thats it...

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 8:45 pm ET

ZIONISTS
IS IT TRUE THAT YOU WON THE WAR?
HAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 8:46 pm ET

The Turk January 19th, 2009 2035 GMT

cubfan…
you watch too much holywood films… that is a 3000 years old fairy tale.. idiot… but we live today..

besides here a news from BBC :

“The UN Secretary-General, Ban Ki-moon, is planning to visit Gaza on Tuesday to inspect the damage, but that his trip “could be subject to change”, Israeli officials said. ”

Israel is so afraid of their war crimes that even UN secretary-general ( a secretary ? or a general? we dont know ) can not go in to Gaza and see the war crimes..

we want international war crimes tribunal…

we want justice…

we want baby killers be punished…
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Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You make me laugh!!!!!

I'm sure Omlert is shaking in his boots about Ban Ki -Moon visiting Gaza!!!

There hasn't been a more worhtless international leader or organization in wxistence in the past 200 years!

This guy can't even fix his own country-- give me a greak!!!!

It's imprison the terrorists, stupid!!

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 8:48 pm ET

Turks and Iranians are not natural friend or foe either..
we have respect to each other..
we also will not support any idiot to attack iran..
we will watch their stupid suicide with joy..

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 8:48 pm ET

natenyaho: "stopping the war has been a strategic error on the part of kadima; you have declared hamas as a winner".

Moshy Alon:" during the whole war, the israely army has been moving fro and back in the same place."

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 8:50 pm ET

Roscoe

alkassam killed nearly 80 dog. and lost 48 martyr.

its the occupation stupid.

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 8:51 pm ET

:))) roscoe... you make me lough too..

I have never seen a blogging monkey before..

you must a genius "monkey" :)))))

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 8:52 pm ET

mohammed gharbawi January 19th, 2009 2045 GMT

ZIONISTS
IS IT TRUE THAT YOU WON THE WAR?
HAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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No, no, no!!!! You won the war mohammed!!!

I see the videos of Gaza City and Rafa on the TV. I don't see any Israelis anywhere. I only see the Palestinians wandering around looking through the destruction and the devastation, trying to find the dead IDF underneath.

I'm sure you won the war! Please, please no more rockets!

RACHEL GREENBERG   January 19th, 2009 8:53 pm ET

CNN- Regarding the Arab doctor who lost his three daughters. It is sad, I acknowledge that. But, did any Arabs cry when – Dr. David Appelbaum, 51, who headed the emergency room at Shaare Zedek Hospital, and his daughter Nava, 20, who was to have been married the day after the bombing was murdered by a suicide bomber who blew up the Cafe Hillel in Jerusalem??? No, when Jewish blood flows through the streets, they rejoice.

As Jews we are TOTALLY fed up with being targeted whether in Tel Aviv, Sederot or Mumbai. We will not tolerate it anymore. Jew hatred has to stop whether you call it anti semitism or anti zionism. It is irrational and insane.

Look, if the Arabs would put down their weapons and stop killing people for a change, there would be peace. Period. Israel does not attack Arabs for revenge or out of hatred. Arabs – get a life already!! You can have a very good life in Israel if you'd just stop destroying and start building for a change. It is ironic that this Arab doctor was trained in Israel. You can not say that Israel is not democratic or all people living there don't have equal rights. For crying out loud, the Israeli consul general from Los Angeles is an Arab and he represents the Israeli government!

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 8:59 pm ET

3 reasons why israel is going to disappear from the map:

1- it believes only in the logic of war , but it does not have any strategic depth as it is tiny in size.

2- demographically, it gets ounumbered day after day by its hostile immediate environment.

3- Once the surrounding regimes disappear, it will have to face billions of people it has turned into radical by its mass-slaughter.

4- If there are any breakthrough in missiles, it will suffer from day 1 (we saw how its apache could not attack in south lebanon) thanks to the iranian and russian missiles (now syria has them too).

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 9:00 pm ET

Roscoe,

That is all IDF can do... 22days long bombing women and children only.. and the home brew simple pipe rockets were high in the sky.. 40 km long strip.. and no military success but all civilian murders...

and they dream of invading Iran :)))) that was coolest ever heard..

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 9:03 pm ET

mohammed gharbawi January 19th, 2009 2048 GMT

natenyaho: “stopping the war has been a strategic error on the part of kadima; you have declared hamas as a winner”.

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You might think this is amusing now!!!

Wait until the election in about 3 weeks and this clown gets elected!!!

He has no sympathy whatsover for radical extremists. And there is a large percentage of the Israeli population that is pi***ed off because Olmert called for a cease fire!

Netanyho will pay no attention to the international world, US, UN, EU-- no one, he simply does not care! If there is even one miss step by Hamas, he will unleash the dogs like you can never imagine!

Trust me Mohammed-- I'm neither Jewish nor Israeli, as I've explained to you before. But this guy is out to make a point! And the point is-- there is no room for ANY terrorists and Israel!

you know what I mean???

It's imprison the terrorists, stupid!!!!

Oz from downunder   January 19th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

Why dont the Hamas use some of the money Yassa Arafat and family stole from his own people to help rebuild Gaza. Now there was a good muslim!! Robbed his own people. Israel had nothing to do with that.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 9:16 pm ET

Roscoe

you are probably right. there is no israeli there inside the city and there has never been one. Ask Moshy Alon why.
becauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse they are afrrrrrrrrraid mooran.

its the occupation stupid.

however, the remark about destruction is right; i couldnt agree more. but remember, hitler destroyed france, and now france is a free country. there is something called the dynamic of history.

all you did is destroy, but out of the rubble emerges victory.

with all destruction, you havent achieved a single objective:
1- the rockets are still there.
2-the fighters are still defiant.
3-the tunnels are going to be repaired again.
4- HAMAS WAS REPRESENTED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN AN ARAB SUMMIT.
5- An unprecedented propalestinian support all over the world.
6- the first time an israeli prime minister is insulted in the american press club in washington.
7- you lost turkey as a strategic ally.
8- you REVIVED THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE AFTER IT WAS CLINICALLY DEAD.
9- you weakened the legitimacy of the moderate regimes that support you (mubarak has never been insulted that much).
10- your army has shown to its enemies that is defeatable.
11- you have shown that the UN is weak (no country will repect it from now on).
12- you have shown to the world the ugly face of occupation: you failed at the ethical level too.

NOW? WHO WON AND WHO LOST?

ITS THE OCCUPATION STUPID.

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

Roscoe,

the facts for the future will be ;

the UN will not be regarded by anyone.. no more serious support from UN to Israel on politics...

US demolished Iraq, which was a buffer state between Israel and Iran.. now, GW.Bush very intelligently(!) removed Saddam and Iraq is going to be devided into three part... mostly under full effect of Iran...

Syria , not a friend nor a foe of Iran but mostly effected by Russia and her politics in the middle east.. is not a good freind of Israel, not?

Turkey, was a prime ally of US but no more. Most decrase in US credibilty in the world among the population is in Turkey. Thanks to their genious politics.. Turkey will never support an attact to Iran by US or Israel and will do its best to sabotage it at most.. will enjoy sufferings of Iran, US or Israel ..

Arabs, were devided, never united .. will never unite.. there has never been any national arab movement nor will be.. they are there being puppies of US until the oil is out...

The region suffers from water resources which comes from north mostly.. and guess who owns the water sources..( still building huge dams over rivers )

extreme increase of hostility among 1.5 billion muslims will, logically, not ease day to day life of Israelis.. worse to come yet.. and its all Israelis aggression to blame..

the politics of Israel is based on "veni, vidi, vici" which is a very very short time gain.. a real state if they want to be, should have hundreds of years of plans to survive.. so many enemies arround will not help them..

US may change their politics in some time, if they find another , more easy to manage cheaper to hire, puppy state in the area. If they do so, then Israelis should better invest on space technology to find shelter on another planet, may be Mars..

These irrational aggrassions from Israel help to unite arab community, which is the last thing that helps Jews..

sum up... I can say that dark days are ahead for Israel.. and its all their aggression to blame..

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

RACHEL GREENBERG

lets talk politics. if you are so disgusted with our hatred, why dont you accept the arab initiative of peace (2002).
1- total withdrawal from all the territory colonised in 1967.

2- accept the right of return of people you expelled from their lands in 1948.

would you accept peace.
By the way, the saudi king said today that this offer will not stand forever and that the choice between peace and war is in your hand.

believe me, after the total fiasco in south lebanon and in gaza, you should be smart and accept (this is in case hamas accepts!!!!!!!!!!!).

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

thanks to Israelis most recent stupid occupation and aggression...

the fractions between Palestinian groups are now discussed, may end up with much stronger unity which will lead to a free state,

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Oz from downunder

welcome on the planet of Earth, marsian.. we are peaceful creatures here..

RACHEL GREENBERG   January 19th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

CNN- Regarding the Arab doctor who lost his three daughters. It is sad, I acknowledge that. But, did any Arabs cry when – Dr. David Appelbaum, 51, who headed the emergency room at Shaare Zedek Hospital, and his daughter Nava, 20, who was to have been married the day after the bombing was murdered by a suicide bomber who blew up the Cafe Hillel in Jerusalem??? No, when Jewish blood flows through the streets, they rejoice.

As Jews we are TOTALLY fed up with being targeted whether in Tel Aviv, Sederot or Mumbai. We will not tolerate it anymore. Jew hatred has to stop.

Look, if the Arabs would put down their weapons and stop killing people for a change, there would be peace. Period. Israel does not attack Arabs for revenge or out of hatred. Arabs – get a life already!! You can have a very good life in Israel if you'd just stop destroying and start building for a change. It is ironic that this Arab doctor was trained in Israel. You can not say that Israel is not democratic or all people living there don't have equal rights. For crying out loud, the Israeli consul general from Los Angeles is an Arab and he represents the Israeli government!

As Jews we are TOTALLY fed up with being targeted whether in Tel Aviv, Sederot or Mumbai. We will not tolerate it anymore. Jew hatred has to stop whether you call it anti Semitism or anti Zionism. I t is irrational and insane.

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

Roscoe

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He’s left— got pi**ed off because we were ganing up on him, I guess!

Went looking for a ladies skirt to hide under!

( it was your dirty words for me... now its onto your face )

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

The us is no longer in a postion to stand by you for the following reasons:
1-it suffers from deep recession because of the wrong reliance on virtual economy, the heavy debt for iraq's case, and the erroneous banking system.

2-you mass-slaughter radicalizes people in the arab and muslim world (the war in afghanistan radicalized the arab population in the same way and the 9/11 attacks were the result). The US will not harvest the fruit of your wars and jeopardize its own population.

3-The fact that The US is about to lose its reactionary regimes in the region because of you is a threat to its national security.

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

RACHEL GREENBERG

quoted: " Jew hatred has to stop. "

well, it may end only and only if Jews hatred against other people is stoped...

act peacefully, reactions will be peacefull...

If Israel kills babies with WP bombs, you can not ask or beg for peace...

stop killing people of the area... and be treated likewise...
or continue its massacres, and be treated likewise...
very simple social rule...

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

RACHEL GREENBERG

the proportion of your mass-slaughter (as we speak now, people are searching for their beloved ones under destryed houses) has reached an appalling rate so much so that talking about one doctor seems futile.

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

its the blood feud, its the vendetta you started..

if you kill people, babies, women, how can you feel free to ask for forgiveness and end of hatred...? are you so high in the sky not to be able to see the truths.?

all your politicians can do for peace was end the occupation, open the gates and borders of the Gaza prison, let the people flourish together with you.. then the peace would be upon you and your children...

now it is too late.. it is war crime there...remember the babies and women... the blame is upon you and your children for generations..

get used to it...

Libra   January 19th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

RACHEL GREENBERG

It's the occupation.
Stop running our lives.

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

The Turk January 19th, 2009 2100 GMT

Roscoe,

That is all IDF can do… 22days long bombing women and children only.. and the home brew simple pipe rockets were high in the sky.. 40 km long strip.. and no military success but all civilian murders…

and they dream of invading Iran :)))) that was coolest ever heard..
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But you really don't understand. The weaponry that is availble to the Israelis is far greater and much more devastating than you can ever immagine. The destruction that you've seen in Gaza has come from 500lb and 1000lb bombs. They never used anything beyond this. The WP artillery is nothing more than incidiary flare type weapons- light up the sky and cause smoke. Had they chose to use explosive warheads, there would be no fireworks, only destruction. Had the Israelis chose to use larger tonnage weaponry from the air, 2000lb, bunker busters, ground penetrating weaponry-- there would be nothing left standing above ground level in all of Gaza!!

You simply can't imagine the amount of devestation that the Israelis can inflict if they choose to use all of their weaponry.

They have in excess of 875 F-16's.think about it- how many F-16's were flying over Gaza at any one time?? 3, 4, 5???? The Israeli manufactured Mirkeva Tanks number in the 10's of thousands-- How many tanks were in Gaza?? 200, probably not! Plus M1A1 Abrams tanks from the US and Challenger II's supplied by the UK. . Then there's the self propelled 155mm Howitzers-- undisclosed qty. And APC's, Armored personnell carriers, again they won't say how many- but it's a huge number. Then there are is the Navy with their gunships and subs.
Yada, yada, yada....... It goes on and onand on!!!

The point is, if they were to show no restraint, and simply just loose all control of their senses-– they could annialate most of the free world. They possess that much desructive power-- I really have a hard time, myself, comprehending the enormous destructive of this small country!

There's a very viable reason that Hamas should refrain from pi**ing off the Israelis! And tha's a fact!!!

It's, imprison the terrorists, stupid!!!

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

The Turk January 19th, 2009 2156 GMT

its the blood feud, its the vendetta you started..

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It's imprison the terrorists, stupid!!

Libra   January 19th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

Your bombs don't scare us.
Can't you people get it?
Gaza has been rebuilt 3 times already. And it can be rebuilt again again and again......

Professor   January 19th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

I am back.... :)

Its the occupation stupids.

RACHEL GREENBERG   January 19th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

You do not want peace, Mohammed and you know it. You do have patience, I'll give you that. You will try to take Israel piece by piece. There is no occupation in Gaza. You have nothing to complain about.

You have a totally screwed up culture and religion and weak leaders. You are still killing the children of Ali and Abu Bakar.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

The loosers are trying to copy my phrase.... but its not working.... LOL

Its the occupation stupids.

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

Roscoe,

can you count upto 75.000.000 ? or can you compare how big is the area of 1,648,195 km² with 35km² ?

or can you withstand with so called brave IDF to 545,000 active personnel (not including the Police Force) or combatants of 12.6 million, including women, of which perhaps 3 million are combat capable ?

and why on earth "Iran's military was called the Middle East's most powerful by General John Abizaid chief of United States Central Command (U.S. forces' commander in the region)."

ref: http://www.globalsecurity.org

are you on drugs? if yes which one? :)) I would order some too...

we Turks here, would realy see your death match :))

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

RACHEL GREENBERG said "You have a totally screwed up culture and religion and weak leaders. You are still killing the children of Ali and Abu Bakar."

soo, thank you very much for showing the whole world real face of your ill genes...we knew it, now the world knows as well...

its the occupation, stupid..

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

Roscoe

Asi told you, we dont care whether its obama or X; we rely on our own potential and our allies.

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 10:18 pm ET

NATO control means , Turkish armed forces...

no other NATO members poor armed men can survive in the area a minute..

and we are Just .

Roselakota (Canada)   January 19th, 2009 10:22 pm ET

My heart goes out to all the Palestinians whose homes have been destroyed and family they have lost in the brutal assault by Israel. The only way to peace is to start treating Palestinians fairly and not imposing harsh "sanctions" on them by denying them of needed food and medicine and infrastructure. That is one reason they built the tunnels, isn't it? Now I hear on TV this a.m. that with new technology, which will be the end of us all, they may be able to detect underground tunnels, etc. How wonderful – now the Israeli's can simply wall in the Palestinians, deny them of food and medical supplies, and wait for them to lie down and die a slow death, which is what they tried for a long time until rockets were launched to bring the world's attention back to their desperate plight. Nobody seems to understand the simple fact that desperate people will undertake desperate measures in order to survive – including digging tunnels to bring in food and medicine and small rockets to try to defend it's people. Perhaps launching rockets into Israel was the only way to bring the world's attention back to the abhorrent situation of the Palestinians literally trapped in Gaza. What a sad world you must live in. For those of you who can afford it, why don't you just move somewhere else and try to live your lives out in a peaceful environment? I'm sure many Israeli's could afford to move elsewhere if they wished to. Unfortunately most poor Palestinians don't have this option, do they?

Libra   January 19th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

@Roselakota
Thank You
For understanding the real plight of the Palestinian people.

It's the occupation.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

The Turk,

I see there some few new ignorants here looking for some spanking around.... hehe

How've you been? Sorry was not around to provide a helping hand

What is that stupid Rachel is talking about?

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 10:29 pm ET

Roscoe,

yes the miraculous Merkava Tank.. these bulkies may be very helpful 2000km away from their last gas station and be very manevourable over 2000m high mountainous area of Iran to invade...

or 2000lb bunker busters...yes... how are going to fly them over... drop them...and get back? with jumbo 747 in business class?

please, we know you are stupid, but at least we deserve least bit logic here since we are stupids too because we discuss the facts with you..

yes yes :)) we are here to watch the death match...

RACHEL GREENBERG   January 19th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

Mr. Turk –

If the Arabs would stop acting like savages and not kill innocent people in Mumbai, London, Madrid, NY etc there would be peace. It is up to you, not Israel or the rest of the world.

Like I said, get a life. It's just getting sickening. The world hates you and we are all getting sick of your fatwas and jihads.

Let me remind you that your "innocent" Arabs democratically voted for Hamas.

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

O Immitation Professor,

please start the spankng!!! please! please!!

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

Hi Prof,
and old saying –>"one turk worths all" our "Dava" well defended..no worries...

there are always ignorants, stupids... but we will not regret..
we will not let the whole world see this massacre...

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

mistaken : we will .... let the whole world see this massacre…

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

RACHEL GREENBERG January 19th, 2009 2232 GMT

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You're speaking to the most depaved and convoluted minds in the world***** they simply have no concept of civil reconciliation!

Libra   January 19th, 2009 10:38 pm ET

Son of a Zionist Terrorist: Rahm Emanuel’s Dirty Secret
Christopher Bollyn

The new "golden boy" of the Democrat Party, the Israeli-American congressman Rahm Emanuel, is the son of terrorist. Really, I am not making this up, the chief power-broker of the Democrat Party, the 5-and-a-half foot foul-mouthed Israeli named Rahm, is the son of terrorist – a real living terrorist.

So, what do we do as citizens of the land of the free and the home of the brave fighting the War on Terror? Do we run and hide from the foul-mouthed little Israeli who danced ballet and swears for effect – or do we laugh? Or do we demand answers? How can we respect a U.S. Congressman who served in a foreign army and whose father was a terrorist?

Roots In Terrorism

Rep. Rahm Benjamin Emanuel, the Democrat congressman for the 5th District of Illinois in Chicago is the son of an Israeli terrorist. Rahm's father, Benjamin, was a member of the Irgun, the Zionist terrorist organization that coined a new word as they blew up hotels, train stations, and other buildings in Palestine in the 1930s and 40s.

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 10:46 pm ET

Mrs. GOLDBERD...

are you blind? are you so deeply brainwashed.?
are you considering arabs are not equal in human rights with other people? are you paid by mossad ?

your god ordered you on the 6th commandment :"Thou shall not kill/ murder"... please explain the whole world how you feel rightous when your IDF kills babies and women? Please explain us with your wise knowladge of life how you would defend your prite states occupations, aggrassions, violent acts on your neigbors?. does your god give you right to invade other peoples lands and kill their babies? are you going to heaven when you do so? Is it true that your god approves only Israelis as humans and other people as secondary creatures to serve your seed? are you feeling well when you hear your army killed 450 babies? do you have valid justification for these murders even it was banned by your god..?are your roots originating from the area? or from Ashkenazi ? are your grand grand father was living in the area? or has a workshop in Berlin?

see? there we dont know your people...

RACHEL GREENBERG   January 19th, 2009 10:49 pm ET

My point is, stupid’s, since you like to use that word so much is that you have a screwed up religion that is based on killing and killing and killing. Hence, the comment about Ali and Abu Bakar.

Answering Mohammed about peace accords is nascence. You do not want peace, therefore engaging in that conversation is a waste of time.

You have to change from within. That is the only thing that will solve this conflict. Your leaders have to have the balls finally to stand up like men and say it is enough killing. You were given the greenhouses in Gaza and you destroyed them. You had the chance to take over a multi million dollar industry in growing vegetables in Gaza. But, you destroyed it.

Do not tell me Islam and Islamic culture is not my business. You make your screwed up religion and culture our business every time you make a fatwah or jihad and when you try to impose Sharia law. You made it our business when you slammed into the World Trade Center. You people rejoiced when the towers fell. We Americans and Israelis do not rejoice when your people are killed. Israelis will not be making a museum about Gaza the way you did when you blew up the Sabaro pizza.

You are not fooling me. I understand you completely. You may be able to fool the largely ignorant public about the history of the Middle East. I know the history very, very well and I understand your culture very well.

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 10:51 pm ET

RACHEL GREENBERG*************************************************************************************************

sdee what I mean!!!

Nothing but nuts!!!!!

I.B. Wright   January 19th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

Roscoe- The only way Barak Obama will get rid of radical Islamists is to make peace in the Middle east. It's nice of you to point out that Rahm Emmanuel is jewish but most people couldn't care less. Do you actually think he'll be making foreign policy decisions regarding the middle east? I kinda think Obama is a little more intelligent than that and will likely to be more objective about this whole situation. Could it be that is why they planned to get this whole operation done before Obama got into power? They were obviously a little concerned about losing the free reign the've had to kill as many palestinians as world opinion would allow-which they did.

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 10:54 pm ET

Mrs. RACHEL GREENBERG

a simple question... are your roots from Europe?

Peter   January 19th, 2009 10:56 pm ET

Congratulation to the IDF. A job well done. Unfortuently did you not get them all. Terrorist like the Professor (ha ha ha ) and Mohammed are not in Gaza or anywhere close. They most likely live somewhere in the West and collect welfare. Afterall, they are constently writing ther hatred on this blog. Only people on welfare have this much time on ther hands. Get a Job, or better get, come out of hiding and i be happy to put a bullet trough your sick brain. The world will be a better place without you. And dont worry wherever you cowards are we will get you. Sooner or later time is not on your side. Shot yourself and go and visit with the Virgins, that should keep you occupied.

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 11:00 pm ET

I.B. Wright, good points...

but, my concern is that Obama is the silver bullet... if missed, we all fcukedup..

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RACHEL GREENBERG,

your only referance is religion.. you are hatefull on others... I am atheist and I hate your prite states crimes as a human being.. and I will let my children hate your children because they are from an ill-mannered culture... see what you people did?

now, have your peace upon your people, if any...

Libra   January 19th, 2009 11:02 pm ET

These people are sick.
This is Hatred.
They must have had a hard time with Hammas down in Gaza.
Poor guys, they need rest.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:03 pm ET

Nazi Peter,

You sound like Hitler. Are you related to him?

Its the occupation stupid/.

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 11:05 pm ET

Peter, please close your ears...

the blog is filled with echo because of your empty skull makes echo from wind blows..

""And dont worry wherever you cowards are we will get you. ""

:)))))) you are so funny and sweet , if you come by here, we make you happy ..

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:05 pm ET

Why are we discussing religion here?

There are other blogs to discuss religions.

Stick to the subject of the Zionist Israeli occupation of Palestine.

Its the occupation stupid.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 11:06 pm ET

Rachel
Do not tell me Islam and Islamic culture is not my business. You make your screwed up religion and culture our business every time you make a fatwah or jihad and when you try to impose Sharia law. You made it our business when you slammed into the World Trade Center. You people rejoiced when the towers fell. We Americans and Israelis do not rejoice when your people are killed. Israelis will not be making a museum about Gaza the way you did when you blew up the Sabaro pizza.
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talk about your bastard state.
when did we impose islam on jews?

THE ATTACK ON NEW YORK IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS. while i feel sorry for the us citizens, i should say that it was a war between the US and binladen whom we call (made in the US ). these attacks have nothing to do with hamas. this latter is a liberation movement. im against extremism myself. i m very very modearte. may be you would like me rachel if you were not a jew.

I.B. Wright   January 19th, 2009 11:08 pm ET

Rachel Greenberg- "You people rejoiced when the towers fell" We Americans and Israelis do not rejoice when your people are killed". Really?/ Go back and read the posts of your "people". They wanted to wipe out all the Palestinians and then move on to Iran so who really wants peace here? And why do you say "you people rejoiced " when only a handful, if any, did. You hate Arabs whether they are terrorists or not which is your perogative, but not all Americans are like you.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:08 pm ET

Libra,

Don't worry but thats common....

Loosers always will try to find something else to attack.... so now they are trying to attack religions.

What else can they do?

Hamas won.... Israel lost.... so they have to find a relief somewhere....

I understand their frustration.

Its the occupation stupid.

mohammed gharbawi   January 19th, 2009 11:10 pm ET

Rachael
You are not fooling me. I understand you completely. You may be able to fool the largely ignorant public about the history of the Middle East. I know the history very, very well and I understand your culture very well.
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enlighten us about the history of the middle east and begin with Hertzel, Samuel, balfour, and Bin gorion to have a nice story.

RACHEL GREENBERG   January 19th, 2009 11:12 pm ET

I have a MA in Middle Eastern studies from the U of M. My family is from Israel and is part of the "Yesha" that never, ever left Israel and has lived there continuously for thousands of years. They have been there since before the Romans, before the Greeks and certainly wayyy before the Arabs. They lived in Tzfat for many generations and now live in Jerusalem.

You, Mohammed do not seem to know much about the subject or you would have known what the Arabs did to the greenhouses. You seem quite ignorant on the whole subject of Israel in general. I would suggest you hit the history books and not get your history from 1-900-jihad.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:12 pm ET

I.B. Wright,

Thank God not all of us Americans are like Rachel can you imagine?

She is either a Zionist Jew or a Zionist Chirstian.... They hate everybody but themselves.... They even hate Christian Palestinians.... I wonder what would Jesus say to them if he was down here right now.... :)

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 11:14 pm ET

.B. Wright January 19th, 2009 2252 GMT

Roscoe- The only way Barak Obama will get rid of radical Islamists is to make peace in the Middle east. It’s nice of you to point out that Rahm Emmanuel is jewish but most people couldn’t care less. Do you actually think he’ll be making foreign policy decisions regarding the middle east? I kinda think Obama is a little more intelligent than that and will likely to be more objective about this whole situation. Could it be that is why they planned to get this whole operation done before Obama got into power? They were obviously a little concerned about losing the free reign the’ve had to kill as many palestinians as world opinion would allow-which they did.

I hear what you say- beleive me. Do not discount the fact that Rahms' father was a very active part of Irgun! In his own words "he did not chose my son the sweep the floors in the White House"!

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:15 pm ET

I.B.Wright,

See I told you so.... :)

Its the occupation stupid Rachel.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:18 pm ET

Rachel,

believe me it shows..... if I were you... I would not have mentioned what kind of degree and from where I got it..... becuase your ignorance shows without you mentiong it.

cubfan   January 19th, 2009 11:22 pm ET

Professor on the art of making up history

If winning means inflicting no damage on your enemy, getting shot, finding yourself 6 feet under, losing all of your decedents because you were launching missiles behind them, wetting your pants every night because you were sure God army was marching against you, watching all of your buildings, tunnels and infrastructure destroyed, seeing the IDF smoking and sipping tea in Gaza city, allowing the IDF to walk right thru the Gaza strip with no resistance mounted then you are right Professor, Hamas was won big time. Hamas is the Super bowl champs of war. All hail Hamas, the victors!

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:28 pm ET

Nazi cubfan,

When your so called "strong" enemy fails to accomplish his goals and you are still around as strong as ever then you win. But, in this case Israel did not just fail to accomplish its goals but lost a lot of friends and made a lot of enemies.... you got my drift?

Its the occupation stupid.

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 11:30 pm ET

Roscoe January 19th, 2009 2314 GMT

.B. Wright January 19th, 2009 2252 GMT

Roscoe- The only way Barak Obama will get rid of radical Islamists is to make peace in the Middle east. It’s nice of you to point out that Rahm Emmanuel is jewish but most people couldn’t care less. Do you actually think he’ll be making foreign policy decisions regarding the middle east? I kinda think Obama is a little more intelligent than that and will likely to be more objective about this whole situation. Could it be that is why they planned to get this whole operation done before Obama got into power? They were obviously a little concerned about losing the free reign the’ve had to kill as many palestinians as world opinion would allow-which they did.

I hear what you say— beleive me. Do not discount the fact that Rahms’ father was a very active part of Irgun! In his own words “he did not chose my son the sweep the floors in the White House”!
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I fully understant what you say! But it is simply much deeper than that, it's Hillary and all of the cronies fron the Clinton administration!! There's simply no change in foreign policy The only hope that the Israelis and the Palestinians have is -– make it on our own! And, there's nothing wrong with that||| Let these people solve their their own problem!!!!

The Turk   January 19th, 2009 11:31 pm ET

RACHEL GREENBERG = "I have a MA in Middle Eastern studies from the U of M. My family is from Israel and is part of the “Yesha” that never, ever left Israel and has lived there continuously for thousands of years."
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Mrs. Greenberg,

can you explain us why your elders lived in peace there together with islamic arabs, ottomans etc. for thousend years and suddenly a war started in 1947? how come? what was the reason?

Peter   January 19th, 2009 11:31 pm ET

Well well Professor, now at least i know where you live. In america on foodstamps and welfare. And yes i am all for Hitler, he only made one mistake he targeted the wrong people. But ther will be another one comming, and he is comming after your sorry asses and he will show you the way to Allah and his virgins. Enjoy the time you have left on this earth. Time is running out. America would be a better place for all if the did not had to waist so much Money on foodstamps for you low lives.

RACHEL GREENBERG   January 19th, 2009 11:37 pm ET

Ok, stupid, let me get this straight stupid, so, you are telling me, stupid, that the Arabs, stupid, are launching rockets, stupid for the last three plus years, stupid, because, stupid of the occupation, stupid? So, stupid, the Israelis go in the last couple of weeks, stupid and that is the reason, stupid for the three years of Arab STUPID rockets??

In more intelligent words, you are telling me that it is the occupation. Ok, Arabs have been launching rockets into Israel targeting and killing innocent Israeli citizens for three + years and Israel, FINALLY decided to do something about it in the last couple weeks and you are telling me Hamas is launching rockets because of occupation?? What occupation? Israel pulled out of Gaza three years ago. This is called circular reasoning.

Oh, and by the way, do you think the public knows that you turned the holy synagogues into public toilets? What does that say about your screwed up culture?

Do you like the ring of this stupid thing? Kind of childish, don't you think?????

Peter   January 19th, 2009 11:42 pm ET

Mohammed
You must be the dummest Ass on this mothers earth, right after the proffessor. And anyone wonders why you Dumm asses cant win a war. You Guy's cant even wipe your own Asses, ha ha ha.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:43 pm ET

Nazi Rachel,

Palestine has been under occupation for the last 60 years.... Gaza has been under siege since you pulled out.... that by itself an act of war.... go check your books. Hamas are the Palestinian children who have been living as refugees for the past 60 years.... Its the resistance to the occupation.

Its the occupation stupid.

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 11:44 pm ET

Roscoe January 19th, 2009 2314 GMT

.B. Wright January 19th, 2009 2252 GMT

Roscoe- The only way Barak Obama will get rid of radical Islamists is to make peace in the Middle east. It’s nice of you to point out that Rahm Emmanuel is jewish but most people couldn’t care less. Do you actually think he’ll be making foreign policy decisions regarding the middle east? I kinda think Obama is a little more intelligent than that and will likely to be more objective about this whole situation. Could it be that is why they planned to get this whole operation done before Obama got into power? They were obviously a little concerned about losing the free reign the’ve had to kill as many palestinians as world opinion would allow-which they did.

I hear what you say— beleive me. Do not discount the fact that Rahms’ father was a very active part of Irgun! In his own words “he did not chose my son the sweep the floors in the White House”!
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I fully understant what you say! But it is simply much deeper than that, It's Hillary and all of the cronies fron the Clinton administration!! There's simply no change in foreign policy The only hope that the Israelis and the Palestinians have is -– make it on our own! And, there's nothing wrong with that||| Let these people solve their their own problem!!!! It's simply time to take resposibility and reject outside infulences!

Tell everyone else to go ******screw themselves!***** thanks but no thanks- I'll fix it my sel!!!

I.B. Wright   January 19th, 2009 11:44 pm ET

Professor- you are correct . Either you are pro-Israeli or you are a terrorist. I feel sorry for them because they live in constant fear and blame all their troubles on everyone else. Sad really.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:44 pm ET

Nazi Peter thinks he a stand up comedian now.... but no one is laughing but himself.... sorry ass.

I.B. Wright   January 19th, 2009 11:48 pm ET

Roscoe- I don't disagree but the palestinians have to be given the same tools Israel was given to get where they need to go.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:48 pm ET

I.B.Wright,

Its really sad when you get to a low point like that when you cannot stand when someone does not agree with what your racist zionist country is doing and you have to call them terrorists when they never carried a weapon against you.... but your zionist racist army is using the latest US weapons against unarmed civilians women and children. Its State terrorism.

Its the occupation stupid.

Roscoe   January 19th, 2009 11:50 pm ET

Immitation Professor January 19th, 2009 2343 GMT

Its the occupation stupid

Sorry Immitation Pofessor,

It's imprison the terrorists!

Akiva Heifetz   January 19th, 2009 11:51 pm ET

Israel Confirms Hamas Fired NO Rockets! Must See!
youtube.com/watch?v=ixrYv5pUzps

watch this quick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cnn will cesore the post soon !

listen to mark regev
they did attak israel not because rockets... but because a tunnle
they thoght maybe this tunnel is to do bad things
but maybe it was to smuggle food
we dont know
israel did attak because a unproofed theory!
take this link quickly ... cnn did censore it now much times !

RACHEL GREENBERG   January 19th, 2009 11:52 pm ET

You see what Israel has to deal with??? I can only shake my head.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:54 pm ET

Nazi Roscoe,

Rigggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht.......

I agree with you.

Its the occupation stupid.

Professor   January 19th, 2009 11:56 pm ET

Nazi Rachel,

Do you need help?

Its the occupation stupid.

Nona   January 20th, 2009 12:02 am ET

Rachel - by "occupation", these extremists who live on the CNN blog mean the existence of Israel. As long as the state of Israel exists, "Palestine" is "occupied" by the reasoning of the geniuses you're attempting to engage in intelligent discourse.

Thus the jobless Professor's comment: "Palestine has been under occupation for the last 60 years ... "

My favorite from him today, tho, is "Hamas are the Palestinian children who have been living as refugees for the past 60 years."

What sad-ass losers let their people be so-called "refugees" for 60 years? That's unprecedented in all of history! No people on Earth has ever claimed to be refugees for 60-plus years! Why? Because when they get displaced, like the Cambodians and the Kosavars and the Sudanese and billions of other people in the world who've faced upheaval, THEY RESETTLE! And they do it in relatively short periods of time! Palestinians of Gaza and West Bank are not refugees. They're permanent residents! Refugees do not build universities and mosques and elect governments! Refugees do not have a prime minister! Palestinians of Gaza and the West Bank just like to say they're refugees so the world will feel sorry for them and give them handouts and excuse their murderous behavior.

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 12:04 am ET

Professor January 19th, 2009 2348 GMT

I.B.Wright,

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Oh, Professor, may be more appropriate analogy is..................

I simply don't agree woth your assessment of the situation!

I'm sure it's the Imprisonment of the terrorists!

They need to make a life for themselves. The people of the free world does not need to support them.Why should I work my a$$ off for anyone other than myself and my family??????

Peter   January 20th, 2009 12:07 am ET

To all Bloggers,
I have made my point. If you insult these uneducated low lives long enough then you can read on ther responses who and what the are. A normal person would neither talk or write this way and neither would an edcucated person respond in this way. And one more thing,isen't it required to have finished grade school before you can call yourself Professor. As for Mohammed, well, i leave him alone, he is not worth talking about. Even Allah does not want to talk to him, why should i.

I.B. Wright   January 20th, 2009 12:13 am ET

Roscoe- Why aren't you upset about supporting the Israeli welfare state for orders of magnitude more money? If I recall correctly, Israel gets more than 10 times the amount of aid that goes to the palestinians so what's your point?

I.B. Wright   January 20th, 2009 12:15 am ET

Peter- Sorry, I missed your point -what was it? Insulting them is more a reflection on you, not them.

Nona   January 20th, 2009 12:15 am ET

Professor says, "The loosers are trying to copy my phrase…. but its not working…. LOL"

Your phrase? I believe YOU copied the prase from American political strategist James Carville, as I've pointed out to you numerous times.

But go ahead ... keep thinking you've had an original thought.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 12:31 am ET

Nona January 20th, 2009 015 GMT

Professor says, “The loosers are trying to copy my phrase…. but its not working…. LOL”

Your phrase? I believe YOU copied the prase from American political strategist James Carville, as I’ve pointed out to you numerous times.

But go ahead … keep thinking you’ve had an original thought.
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whether its yours or not , we feel it serves our purpose, dirty jew.

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 12:32 am ET

I.B. Wright January 20th, 2009 013 GMT

Roscoe- Why aren’t you upset about supporting the Israeli welfare state for orders of magnitude more money? If I recall correctly, Israel gets more than 10 times the amount of aid that goes to the palestinians so what’s your point?
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Thamk you for your honest inquiry. But I'm reallly not certain of your point!

I am not Israeli, nor am I Jewish!. I am a resident of the EU and I really do not have a pence in this dispute! I simply find it appauling- male arab views! They are simply disgusting!

I.B. Wright   January 20th, 2009 12:46 am ET

Roscoe- you were the one complaining about the people of the free world supporting the palestinians and now you "don't have a pence in this dispute". Make up your mind. You also "simply find it appalling -male arab views". You claim to have no beneficial interest in this matter and you hate arab males. So now I get it – you are indifferent on the issue but you prefer jewish males. Wright?

RACHEL GREENBERG   January 20th, 2009 12:53 am ET

You sound like a rapist, not exactly the Lawrence of Arabia, type are you? Keep up the rhetoric and Peter will make sure you get your 72 virgins.

I took the time so you can see their true colors and the hatred. Mohammed basically admitted he wants to throw Israel into the sea, would like to see us all dead and that he is a supporter and admirer of Nazism and Hitler. And, he wouldn't mind a little rape on the side. Don't let CNN fool you about what the bottom line agenda is of Hamas, Hezbollah etc.

Now, I have to get back to work.

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 1:02 am ET

.B. Wright January 20th, 2009 013 GMT

Roscoe- Why aren’t you upset about supporting the Israeli welfare state for orders of magnitude more money? If I recall correctly, Israel gets more than 10 times the amount of aid that goes to the palestinians so what’s your point?
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Thamk you for your honest inquiry. But I’m reallly not certain of your point!

I am not Israeli, nor am I Jewish!. I am a resident of the EU and I really do not have a pence in this dispute! I simply find it appauling— male arab views! They are simply disgusting!

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Help me out herre***** I'm no involved with any of the morons on this post! You're question, please???

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 1:19 am ET

RACHEL GREENBERG January 20th, 2009 053 GMT

I'm glad you have a clear perception of reality!

Tchiao!

Professor   January 20th, 2009 1:28 am ET

They accuse me of living on welfare.... But, Israel is the largest welfare recepient from the US.....

They accuse me of being a terrorist.... when I never served in an Army even.... But the largest Terrorist is the Israeli State and its occupying Forces....

They accuse me of being uneducated.... when all what they have to show for their education is insulting others reglisions.

Dudes.... you are as loosers as the state your are supporting... and it shows.

Professor   January 20th, 2009 1:32 am ET

Roscoe,

A Zionist Christian living in the EU?

Its Ciao.... LOL

too funny.

Its the occupation stupid.

I.B. Wright   January 20th, 2009 1:36 am ET

Roscoe- My question is : Why do birds eat worms?

John   January 20th, 2009 1:53 am ET

Okay everybody, enough of the blaming Israel, enough of the blaming of Hamas, and other militants. Looks like two little kids fighting for what they want while innocent civilians get killed. If anybody in the region thinks peace is going to come while Hamas, Hezbollah, and other militant factions are continually terrorizing people who are sympathetic with Israel and the west, is crazy. Until the Muslim people take a stand against militancy, and jihad, and whatever other criminal activities against the world they do, peace will never come. Everybody needs to wake up! Quit killing people and start doing what is right for Allah, God, or Jesus Christ. I see the militants of the world using Gaza for their personal battleground with Israel. They really have no regard for the people and really don’t care if they get killed or if the infrastructure gets destroyed. I can tell you the majority of the people in the United States do not like the people living in Gaza getting killed by anybody, whether it is Israel or the militants. Look around the world! Where is there death and destruction at? Looks like most of the places is where there are Muslim Militants. All humans on the face of the earth, no matter what religion, need to start exposing the jihadists and militants for what they truly are; criminals. Until the whole world starts to take a stand and not let these criminals of the world survive, the people of Gaza will continue to be killed by two sides who act like little kids fighting over a piece of candy. Could you imagine what the world would do for Gaza if the militants were kicked out and they reached out for world aid in exchange for peace? The people of Gaza need to stomp their feet and demand no more bloodshed! They need to stop the flow of weapons into Gaza and knock down anybody who is against peace. Yes, if you are a militant, you are against peace. Don’t act like you are for it, and blame Israel for all your problems. Look at yourself, you are the center of all your problems. It is time for the Middle East to grow up, and make a stand. If this would happen and the world was sure it will continue, Gaza would reap the benefits of the compassionate world ten fold. Lets make peace, but first we have to not let the militants speak for all Muslims. Let the majority of the good Muslims speak. I do mean there are millions of good law abiding Muslims who seek peace and not the jihad of the militants. All good Muslims need to put their feet down and start exposing the bad Muslims who are doing the world no good. If this continues for much longer, be prepared in the Middle East, because the Nuclear bombs will be going off, and then you all will have nothing to fight about. Yes, I am sure that is what Allah wants, don’t you agree? Yes that last statement is pretty stupid, just like what is happening in the Middle East. Wake up, and take a stand against militancy and lets make the Middle East a place where peace is forever!

Professor   January 20th, 2009 2:01 am ET

John,

When was it the last time you got your brain checked?

I think i can smell your brains frying....

You need to stop using drugs man....

Its the occupation stupid.

John   January 20th, 2009 2:23 am ET

Professor, I am doing the best drugs americans can buy. You really need some to mellow you out. Just think, the world sitting down to smoke a doobie. Next thing you know, nobody wants to fight, they just want to make love. ;-) But the occupation is only a reason to kill or the excuse to kill. Professor I hope you aren't teaching. Your attitude towards my statement is exactly why grown baby men fight. So what you are saying is that Israel is occupying whose land? You must know whose land it is since it is an occupation. Is it Hamas own the land? Does Hezbollah own the land? Does Osama Bin Laden own the land? No, God almighty owns the land, and he wants everybody to share and live in peace. Israel is ready to live in peace with their neighbors. They aren't going anywhere. How do you suppose that any group, state, or jihadist is going to take out all the jews in Israel? It isn't happening Professor unless you have the nuclear technology. So is it worth killing 1000's of people because of the egos of "know it all men"? Are the militant Muslims in the world ready to live with everybody yet? Doesn't look like it. The egos of the militants are so big, they can't see past it. There is also big egos in US and Israel, but I don't see militant groups in the US or Israel blowing up buses, political people, babies, women. MMmm? I wonder why we don't have groups like this in the US? Maybe it is because we have learned to live with each other.

Professor   January 20th, 2009 2:28 am ET

John,

do you live in the US?

Was Timothy McVeigh a peace loving person?

Was The Dividian Branch a peace loving group of people?

How many nuts opened fire at MacDonalds and Banks and Schools in the US?

What the hell are you talking about?

If you do not know whos land Israel is occupying then you do not belong on here man... Go back to your weeds and smoke some more.

Its the occupation stupid.

I.B. Wright   January 20th, 2009 2:34 am ET

John – You make some good points and I agree that it's time for everyone to quit acting like little kids and stop blaming each other for whatever happens. The problem is that the answer to making peace always seems to land on the shoulders of the palestinians. Maybe it's time Israel made some effort to achieve peace cause I don't see it. Hamas is in existence because they provide some measure of protection against Israel; Israel pounds the crap out of Gaza and kills many of its citizens to try and convince them to quit supporting Hamas. Israel treats them like caged animals with no way out and then complains because they behave like animals. Israel dictates all peace efforts because they have less incentive to accept peace while they continue to annex land and build settlements. For there to be peace, it will require the US to be an honest peace broker because they are the ones who can exert enough pressure on Israel to accept a reasonable peace. Let them do that and see if Hamas continues to exist. Most of the arab world is not overly sympathetic to Hamas so how would you propose they put their foot down?This not a religious issue (in spite of the fact that many would like to turn it into one) so why should other Muslims be compelled to get involved? Nope, its up to the US to solve this problem and so far they haven't been very motivated.

John   January 20th, 2009 2:37 am ET

Mr Professor, you have a real ***hole attitude. All insults, but nothing to back it up. I asked whose land it is that Israel is occupying. I am stupid, so answer the question so I can be better informed. If you haven't noticed, Timothy McVeigh is 20 feet under the ground and isn't worth mentioning. What are you talking about people shooting guns in McDonalds? The human race is not perfect anywhere so quit bringing up comparisons that are meaningless. Answer the question of whose land Israel is occupying, the all intelligent Professor.

Professor   January 20th, 2009 2:44 am ET

John,

I am glad we reached an agreement that the human race is not perfect anywhere....

I only brought the comparison to show you that anygroup of people had a history of terror in its past, present or maybe future too.

Jews, Christians and Muslims.... regardless of what faith you hold.... there are good people and bad people among all.

So, now putting that a side since we agreed on this issue.

Do you really not know whos land Israel is occupying or you just pulling my leg?

Have you not heard of the Palestinians territories? Have you not read a single UN resolution out of the more than 70 resolution that Israel broke? They all the refer to the occupied Palestinian land.... What planet do you live on?

John   January 20th, 2009 2:48 am ET

Professor, I see that maybe you are blowing smoke. I haven't seen your answer to whose land that Israel is occupying. You have said, "Its the occupation stupid" but you haven't said whose land Israel is occupying. Like I said, I am stupid, I need you to tell me whose land it is. I am sorry to say Professor, but I am not for Israel and I am not for whomever you think owns the land. So please enlighten me as to whose land the Jews are occupying. Please Please Please and yes I am stupid!

John   January 20th, 2009 3:06 am ET

Hi IB Wright, Thanks for your insight. As for what I meant about people putting their feet down, is to reject anything that promotes violence against anything. Violence breeds violence. Thats a given. But also being a caring, thoughtful, considerate, turn the other cheek breeds the same. Which would you want to live in? As long as people look the other way at people breeding violence, it will continue. If people put their feet down and demand it stops, and expose it for what it is, it just might start putting it out of business. It has to start within for it to breed outwards. Just like militancy. Whether it can work that way or not is up to the human race. To say that religion doesn't have anything to do with it is wrong. Israel is Jewish. If they were predominantly muslim, would we be having a conflict? What is a jihadist? This has been going on for 2000 years, it shouldn't be much longer before it ends.;-) Like I said before, Gaza is the center of the jihadists holy war where innocent civilians are being killed because of it. Yes Israel is killing them, but also are the militants. Taking a poll of who killed whom and making Israels killings higher justifies the jihadists? Killing is killing, no matter how many and whom dies. Both Israel and Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, all are to blame. But until the jihadists quit killing, and declaring the annihilation of Israel and the west, peace will never happen. It just keeps going a round and a round and a round. All while the people in Gaza suffer because of it. I say bullshit! Quit using the people in Gaza and surrounding areas as pawns in their little tit for tat mini wars. Get to the bargaining table and demand to take care of this, both sides!

Professor   January 20th, 2009 3:07 am ET

John,

Are you a christian?

John   January 20th, 2009 3:16 am ET

One of the main problems we have also is the US will not bargain with the so called terrorists groups, unless they denounce terrorism. Now tell me what would be so hard about that? It is kind of like telling your son to shut up, and he looks at you says go fly a kite. Just being childish! And the US demanding this before they sit down and talk with a so called terrorist group is absolutely ridiculous, just as it is ridiculous that the militant groups wont denounce terrorism. If god was able to, he would reprimand us all! I would hope that Obama changes this policy and says, yes, lets sit down and talk, and lets get this figured out this year! This YEAR! The people of Gaza have suffered enough from the stupid egotistical policies of the militants and the US! Come on US, have some balls and get this kick started! If you negoitiate without demanding certain conditions, maybe you can wallow thru it and get something you both can agree on.

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 3:18 am ET

John January 20th, 2009 248 GMT

Professor, I see that maybe you are blowing smoke. I haven’t seen your answer to whose land that Israel is occupying.

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That's the game-– The immitation professor is nothing more than a muslim troll who spews hatred and bigorty to all those who will listen and respond. The best option is to simply ignore! He's a cerified nutcase!

Professor   January 20th, 2009 3:20 am ET

John,

Wow you are actually talking some sense....

I can't wait to see that happen.

John   January 20th, 2009 3:21 am ET

Professor, since you seem to have no answers to whose land Israel is occupying, how do you think that this conflict between whomever and Israel is going to be solved?

Professor   January 20th, 2009 3:23 am ET

Rascal,

I have already answered that.... but you are too blind to read my comment.

Too blind to read more than 70 UN resolutions on this conflict.... calling Israel to withdraw from Occupied Palestinian territoris.

You are simply blind to the occupation stupid.

Professor   January 20th, 2009 3:28 am ET

John,

This is not a 2000 year conflict.... This is only about 100 years old conflict..... and it all political and not religious.... its about land grab and land stealing.....

Its the occupation stupid.

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 3:32 am ET

Professor,

My sources from within Gaza, say that the IDF martyrd 2796 Hamas militants! That's quite different than your brother Omar Obeida professed on the tV– was he lieing or was he telling the truth?? Can you show me some videos of the 4 Israeli choppers and the drone your compadres shot down?? I would like to send this to my friends for purposes of propoganga!!!

Thaks!!

Allah Akbar Mother Fucer

I.B. Wright   January 20th, 2009 3:35 am ET

Roscoe-You should talk. You didn't answer either of my questions; why do birds eat worms? I gave up on my other question about why you, as an uninterested party were so upset about sending financial aid to the palestinians while having no problem with Israel getting 10 times as much aid. If you have no pence in this dispute as you put it, then how do you justify that?

Nona   January 20th, 2009 3:48 am ET

Professor says (January 20th, 2009 332 GMT), "The Israeli Occupying Forces are the one who use the innocent Palestinian civilians as human shields ...I never heard anyone say that Hamas doing it except from the Israeli propaganda machine."

Hamas MP Fathi Hammad very proudly boasts to Hamas's use of Palestinian women and children as human shields in this video:

But don't be surprised when Professor keep denying it.

John   January 20th, 2009 3:48 am ET

That is the whole thing IB. If Israel was predominantly muslim, there would not be any conflict, as they wouldn't be doing what they are doing now, because why would a jihadist militant want to destroy other muslims? I was under the understanding that jihad of the sword is combat against non-muslims. Since Israel is Jewish, so the holy war is against them. They are teaching this in their schools in Gaza. They have the textbooks to prove it. I am not sure if all schools are teaching this or if it just the militants teaching this. But it is scary that the children of so called occupied land are being taught to hate Israel. I don't see how you can't say this isn't about religion? I need more information to see it another way.

John   January 20th, 2009 3:49 am ET

Roscoe my man, calm down. Don't get too emotional here. We want to promote peace, not more violence!

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 4:02 am ET

I.B. Wright**********************

Im' sorry, i did not mean to ignore your posts, I was simply having too much fun with some of the other clowns here today and i did not see your posts,really! They're simply a hoot!!!

What is it that I can help you with or can I explian my view??? I'm just here for the entertainment!

I.B. Wright   January 20th, 2009 4:04 am ET

John- The only reason religion is even a factor, is that extremists can use it as an excuse to recruit fighters easier but it is not the reason for the conflict. If someone kept me penned in, gave me minimum food, fuel and other services and then expected me to lay down and be quiet while my oppressor kept building more settlements on my land, I know I wouldn't accept it regardless of their nationality or religion. We all better hope it doesn't become a holy war because then all hell would break loose. Besides, I don't think there such a thing as a holy war.

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 4:08 am ET

John

*****

me, ****** emotional ????

What do you mean????

I've had my meds today at the prescribed times!!!!!!!!!! I'm abosolutely fine!!!! Ask any one! They'll tell you!!

Frigggin' moron!

He! He! He!|

I.B. Wright   January 20th, 2009 4:11 am ET

Roscoe- No biggie. Most of us are just killing time and brain cells here anyway.

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 4:16 am ET

I.B. Wright January 20th, 2009 404 GMT

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Think about- be honest-- if you really, really, thought that the oppressor would let you out of the cage after a few days of oppression, would you comply, or would you continue to resist for 60 years???

Think about it- seriously!!

Hey-- it's time to move on!!

I.B. Wright   January 20th, 2009 4:29 am ET

Roscoe- Hmmm..that's a loaded question. If I really really believed that after a few days of oppression, I would be set free and the oppressor tore down his settlements and left for good, then I probably wouldn't have a reason to resist. But then that's not the reality is it?

I.B. Wright   January 20th, 2009 4:34 am ET

Akiva-LOL! You're pretty funny. I always thought the president of any country had to be smart but Bush kinda destroyed that theory.

John   January 20th, 2009 4:42 am ET

IB, okay, now I am on the same page. Yes I do agree the conflict originally is from the UN separating the land into two entities and then the Arabs didn't agree and then lots of wars were fought where the Arabs lost more land from which the original UN separation was drawn up. I agree that Israel shouldn't be building on the land that was not drawn up for them and was to be for the Arabs. The UN separated the land between the Arabs and the Jews. Is this not religion based? But the jihadists and Muslim militants have made this area the main battle ground for their cause all while the people that are living there are suffering from all of it. But to blame the suffering on Israel? They are not the only ones promoting suffering. All the militants and Israel should be ashamed of what they are doing. Both need to stop and talk NOW!

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 4:51 am ET

I.B. Wright January 20th, 2009 429 GMT

Roscoe- Hmmm..that’s a loaded question. If I really really believed that after a few days of oppression, I would be set free and the oppressor tore down his settlements and left for good, then I probably wouldn’t have a reason to resist. But then that’s not the reality is it?
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I guess having fun and a good time is done for today!!

You know what, the Brits, who were the governing power of the British Mandate , and the UN, who were the authoritative body of the free world,were empowered to issue UN Resolution 181 which provied for the ceation of the State of Israel and an Arab Sate!

If anyone has issue with this, they need to take it up with the UN!!!

That's where the issue lies– not with Israel!

Put the blame whre it belongs!!!! I'ts not with the Israelis!!!

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 5:00 am ET

John January 20th, 2009 442 GMT

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I admire your inependent view--- it's quite unique– - and only seen when a "virign" to the conflict is discovered! Thanks!! You simpy confirm my view!

I.B. Wright   January 20th, 2009 5:02 am ET

John- I didn't mean to imply that only one side was to blame for everything -both sides can claim their fair share. My position is that the "road map" for peace should be dusted off and all involved parties sit down and hammer it out. I know it's not that easy to do but if Hamas recognizes Israel is there to stay and Israel gives up the settlements outside its legal boundaries and allows the borders to be open (since they pretty much surround Gaza) , then I don't see why it can't be done. Maybe all that is required is a little more US pressure on Israel to agree and sign and the same pressure on Hamas from the Arab League to do the same. As far as I know it's Israel that keeps rejecting it even though it was developed and supported by a number of impartial countries.

John   January 20th, 2009 5:12 am ET

Roscoe, I was thinking the same darn thing. The UN, which is represented by the world, was doing what it thought was fair and reasonable by separating into two states. But the Arabs are saying they are occupiers. Now is it because Israel took more land after the Arabs decided to fight them? If that is the case, why did the Arabs reject the UN Resolution 181 and start a civil war? So it is better to keep trying to destroy Israel than to sit down and talk peace? I don't get it Why would you want to keep trying to destroy a country that is basically impossible to do? Try the opposite once. Denounce terrorism, start weeding out the militants, start negotiating, start getting aid from around the world, because you are to denounce terrorism, show the world you mean business and the world will support the Palestinians. Stop the violence and watch the aid flow easily to the people that need it the most. I will guarantee that the West Bank and Gaza inhabitants would prosper if they decided to stop all violence. The world will reward them, but not the militants. I think it is interesting that Osama Bin Laden and his croonies always come on and tell everybody to fight Israel. What do you think this does? Increases more militants to throw violence towards Israel, which in turn oppresses the Palestinian people.

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 5:14 am ET

Roscoe January 20th, 2009 433 GMT

Akiva Heifetz January 20th, 2009 418 GMT

And you post from where????

Israel???

John   January 20th, 2009 5:25 am ET

The other thing that is difficult with the peace process is that they all could come and agree on a resolution, open up the borders, and then down the road some militant on his holy war kick, decides to blow up a bus in down town Tel Aviv. Then it all goes back to the same way again. All because of this militant. Then the Palestinians will be suffering again. I don't see any resolution as long as their are militants on the mission to destroy Israel. I would love to see how much aid goes to the Palestinians living in the Gaza and West Bank that comes from Iran? I bet they put more money into weapons than actual infrastructure and aid for the people. When are the Arabs in the middle east going to stand up against the militants and get the peace process going? They all know where they are all at.

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 5:40 am ET

John January 20th, 2009 512 GMT

You'e too rational. The Palestininans are not capable of thinking like you! The UN Resolution provided the creation of the State of Isreal and an Arab State- but that was not acceptable to the Arabs. The state of Israel has always been something that the Arabs simply cannot swallow! For me - get over it!! It's as simple as that! The State of Israel ocupies 1.5% of Arab lands. They need to get over it! They have beeen fighting over this strp of deset for 60 years- nothing has changed- get over it!!!!!i

I.B. Wright   January 20th, 2009 5:46 am ET

John/ Roscoe- you want people to stop blaming Israel for everything yet you have no problem turning around and accusing the "arabs" for all the problems in gaza. I think you know dam well that most Arabs do not support terrorism yet many people like to somehow equate Muslims, with Hamas, with terrorism, with Al Queda because it suits their purposes. Tell me why Israel won't agree to the "road map" then if it is the arabs that are always the obstacle to peace?? They weren't the ones who came up with it.

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 5:52 am ET

John January 20th, 2009 525 GMT

Did you lose your train of thiught and fall off the end of the earth????

Or, are you still there?????

I.B. Wright   January 20th, 2009 5:57 am ET

Actually I'm pretty much done myself so no need to answer my last question-it wasn't that impotent anyway.

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 6:18 am ET

I.B. Wright January 20th, 2009 546 GMT

John/ Roscoe- you want people to stop blaming Israel for everything yet you have no problem turning around and accusing the “arabs” for all the problems in gaza. I think you know dam well that most Arabs do not support terrorism yet many people like to somehow equate Muslims, with Hamas, with terrorism, with Al Queda because it suits their purposes. Tell me why Israel won’t agree to the “road map” then if it is the arabs that are always the obstacle to peace?? They weren’t the ones who came up with it.

IB Wrght–

I agree, most Arabs do not subscribe to the policies of ~Hamas otr Hamas militants!

1) Read the Hamas Charter- it's simple to find. You'll gain an immense ammount of knowledge about the Arab Israeli conflict from this document-- you probably need not pursue anything beyond this !

the radical------ Fu****ck em! They can die with their women and children if that's what they choose!!

Don't try to bame it on anyone else******* It's their own choice!

Akiva Heifetz   January 20th, 2009 6:19 am ET

Roscoe

whats about you ... if you try to be polite you will share your information before you ask others
thats the way how people show others what is a good way ;)
who wanna get must give ;)
you post from where?

-----–
i told maytimes that i am in europe
in this blog and the blogs before
if you think israel is in europe ..... (what ever ;) )

so now you got your info update
and i also can tell you
i dont care from where you post
gaza israel usa mars heaven hell
to me people are people
i dont care if your black white yellow red grey green pink
i dont care about your religion jew muslim christ ... if you like believe in fish

all thoese things you can smoke if you like
or you can care about ... so if you care about such things ... go on waste your time ;)

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 6:38 am ET

I.B. Wright January 20th, 2009 557 GMT

Actually I’m pretty much done myself so no need to answer my last question-it wasn’t that impotent anyway.
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I simply need to laugh!-- Im sorry, but it's simply funny!!!

Have a nice day

atè log!!

wallflower   January 20th, 2009 6:49 am ET

"The IDF can come and go whenever they please in Gaza"
THIS IS THE PROBLEM...no one else sees this as a problem???
The IDF can blow off a child's head and it's completely alright, this is absolutely disgusting.
In fact, there are many who oppose the IDF in Israel..watch this very brief clip:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=43945754100&ref=nf

Roscoe,
you said: The palestinians should move their tents to farmland where it is safe for them.
Are you an idiot?? WHERE could it possibly be safe on a stretch of land that is as TINY as gaza, with 1.5 million people? THERE IS NOWHERE TO GO. and it doens' matter where they are situated, it is a well known fact that civilians were being targeted, they dont give a flying **** about what they're hitting.

WAKE UP PEOPLE. end of occupation=end of war!!!!!!!

and for those who can't seem to understand people's support for Hamas, let's say it is the only form of resistance against this horrific occupation that hasn't ceased for 41 years..this is the voice of the palestinians, of th refugees who have held refugee titles for 61 years, who haven't been recognized as citizens for this long. It doesn't seem difficult to comprehend, does it?

wallflower   January 20th, 2009 6:53 am ET

my apologies, the link cant be reached by everyone, so here it is:

cubfan   January 20th, 2009 7:01 am ET

Wow, Gaza really got one hell of an ass kicking. Maybe next time the Palestinians go to vote they will think twice about voting for the morons who shot missiles in to Israel.

22,000 buildings destroyed, 1300 dead, 80% of crops wiped out, the IDF getting free reign to go anywhere in Gaza they pleased with no resistance and the US and Egypt backing Israel.

Hamas looks like a couple of idiots who play terrorists in a sand box. Israel leaders look brilliant, tough, resilient and victorious.

There was no down side for Israel to conquer Gaza and they have proved they can come and go whenever they want with no consequences.

Hamas looks like fools!

Akiva Heifetz   January 20th, 2009 7:06 am ET

cubfan

so your proud now?
do you get now a orgasm if you think about the dead inoccent people?
"22,000 buildings destroyed, 1300 dead, 80% of crops wiped out, the IDF getting free reign to go anywhere in Gaza they pleased with no resistance and the US and Egypt backing Israel."
and less then 50 dead hamas, and 13 IDF's some shot by friendly fire?
what a honour :D
israel must be proud now ... as the germans were ;)

harvey   January 20th, 2009 7:11 am ET

2005. Israel pulls out of Gaza. Not a Jew/Israeli in sight. Border crossings are open (more difficult at the time to cross from Gaza into Egypt than into Israel. Pll out of Israel is met with suicide bombers being sent from Gaza and rocketting campaign from Hamas. Instead of trying to build their own state Hamas try to destroy Israel's.

2009. Hamas ask Israel to withdraw from Gaza and open up border crossings.

So we are back to exactly same situation as 2005. Only difference is terrible suffering on both sides. Hardship, death and destruction.

Some VICTORY!!!!!

Hamas's campaign achieved nothing apart from misery and despair for both sides.

MORE HOUMOS LESS HAMAS.

Hunk   January 20th, 2009 7:17 am ET

Targeting civilians is a matter of laughter by the Israeli soldiers , as if they are shooting rabbits .... I say to cubfan, this will go in history and our memory is full of your words and hatred.

When angel Gibraile visited Abraham to inform him of the coming of the second child – the grandfather of the Jews – and inform him of the lot people destruction is at dawn ... Angel said ... the morning isn't it near!!!! ...

Akiva Heifetz   January 20th, 2009 7:20 am ET

Roscoe

i thoght you know so much about UN resolutions and so on
so i thoght you maybe also know about UN investigations about the "arab Terror"

so i can tell you now what i like... but you should do your own investigations to be sure about ;)
maybe its better if you do your own investigations about this "arab terror" and its reason ... so you will not have to blame me and maybe better the UN ... they found the reason and i guess we can trust them
they did investigate why the co-existence between jews (jews did promise to recpect the co-existence that was an option to get the land and to found a own country) and arabs did not work so well!

maybe if you dont like to invest some little time in investigations about the reason of "arab terror" ... i think there was also a debate about in later cnn blogs

but dont trust in the stuff here ... better go to other sources and try to find the reason about why the arabs got so angry that they did terror

in the time of this "arab terror" some great jewish poets did sadly die :(
thats also sure ...
but what i tell you ... you have nothing more then time to do your own investigations ;) ... and thats better then trust blindly :)

harvey   January 20th, 2009 7:21 am ET

What has Hamas achieved?

- A propoganda victory????I wouldrather have one child alive than a propoganda victory.

-Terretorial concessions. NO!!!

- Better conditions for the Palestinain people it claims to represent. NO.

-Are border crossings open as they were in 2005? NO.

-A lot of people dead. Yes.

-Gaza in ruins. Yes.

How incredibly stupid. Hamas has left its people worse off than 2005.

MORE HOUMOS LESS HAMAS

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 7:25 am ET

wallflower January 20th, 2009 649 GMT

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Hey wallflower, I'm sure you picked tst up from a post long time ago-- but it's still perinent-- let me explain"

I find this entre conflict rater didsturbiing! I"m sure everyone else does as well!

But- please, some one needs to explain one third- 33% of he gaza strp is arable farmland! Do you know what that means??? That means it's un occupied farmland!!!

Explain this- why were the civilans in Gaza forced to stay in the cento areas??? Why were they not permited to flee to the famlands??

The UN and ICRC regularly establis " tent cities" to save populations from oppression- not in Gaza???

What's wrong with this picturre!!

cubfan   January 20th, 2009 7:31 am ET

Hell yea I'm proud to live in world where good Triumphs over evil.

Hamas sold its soul to Tehran and the devil for a few pieces of silver and have been punished for their actions. Gaza and Hamas needed to be brought to its knees to end their criminal behavior and got exactly what it had sowed. I feel no sympathy for terrorists and could care less if they perished from the earth.

If you want to live in peace you should not have voted for a sick and twisted Hamas into power. Think next time you are casting your vote.

The IDF was the hand of God and he exacted exactly the right measure of punishment for Hamas and Gaza.

harvey   January 20th, 2009 7:36 am ET

If the cease fire holds, Israel will have achieved quiet from being bombarded by rockets and be in exactly the same sitaution as were in in 2005.

2005, I repeat, the Israelis withdraw from Gaza. The crossings are open. More difficult to get from Gaza to Egypt than from Gaza to Israel.
That was before suicide bombings and rocketting policy of Hamas caudsed Israel to tighten border to stop the suicide bombers getting in.

So Israel has achieved quiet on its border.

Hamas has achieved.....nothing apart from dead bodies, Gaza in rubble...

Answered your question....

MORE HOUMOS LESS HAMAS.

BUILD YOUR COUNTRY RATHER THAN TRY AND DESTROY SOMEONE ELSE's.

cubfan   January 20th, 2009 7:38 am ET

22,000 buildings destroyed, 1300 dead, 80% of all farm land destroyed, this is loud message from God that he will protect those who follow a righteous path.

I do not know who Hamas prays to, but their God made of silver and hate from Tehran has no powers except to reign down terror and destruction to all those who pray to it. Gaza felt the hand of God just as the Pharaoh in Egypt had when Moses led his people to freedom.

God protects those with faith.

harvey   January 20th, 2009 7:38 am ET

Shalom....to all.

In the immortal words of John Lennon Lets give peace a chance.

Thats my last comment apart form....

MORE HOUMOS LESS HAMAS

Nona   January 20th, 2009 7:39 am ET

Benyeman, you can tell 28 lies a million times but they're just as untrue the millionth time as they were the first time you told them.

The definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Hi Harvey!

Hunk   January 20th, 2009 7:41 am ET

benyemen,

I copied your comments and saved it on my computer for future use .... can i do that ? i will refer to your nick while posting

Akiva Heifetz   January 20th, 2009 7:43 am ET

Roscoe

33% ... 100% whats the difference in the case of a occupation?
to occupie a place it dont matter who or how many are in the place
maybe to you occupation means that the 33% are taken by others
but there are more ways of occupation!
maybe this can get a bit complexe ....
let us think about ... if there is a place with people and i let the people there not move.. i dont let the people there get what they only need for life... i restrict them and i deny theyr rights ... can we call this occupation... or must i invade the place first?
but that would be a invasion ... so what is a occupation ?
how may ways exist to occupie a place?

in which day of the last war UN and others were allowed to enter gaza? i mean if they are not there they cant establish a tent city...
but maybe UN and RedCross and so on was allowed from the first day of this war ... as the international free press

maybe the UN did lie when they did say that they are not alowed to enter gaza ... as the free international press such as cnn or others
maybe they were alowed to enter gaza all the time ?
maybe everyone is a liar and only israel is telling the truth ?
i really get unsure now :(

harvey   January 20th, 2009 7:44 am ET

Nona!

Have to run, have a great day.
Much love to you and yours.
You are definitely the wisest and loveliest lady on the CNN blog.
Get my vote every time.

Have a great day again.

Your fan

Harvey!!!!

Nona   January 20th, 2009 7:48 am ET

Awwww, Harvey!

Thank you for such humbling compliments! I'm your biggest fan!

I'm outta here too - cya tomorrow! Goodnight and

*PEACE*

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 7:48 am ET

harvey January 20th, 2009 721 GMT

-MORE HOUMOS LESS HAMAS

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I agree!!

More Hounos less Hamas!

Tchiao!

Bom Noite!

Akiva Heifetz   January 20th, 2009 7:51 am ET

Roscoe

ohh you go?
i thoght its getting interessting now ...
so ... umm ...

ciao buona notte ;)
have a nice time ... see you next time :)

benyemen   January 20th, 2009 7:52 am ET

HARVEY THE PIECE LOVER

WROTE:
Gaza felt the hand of God just as the Pharaoh in Egypt had when Moses led his people to freedom.

AND WHAT DID YOU DO MAKE A GOLDEN COW TO WORSHIP.

GOD MAKES YOU INCREASE YOU BIGOTRY AND SINS SO YOU GO DEEPER AND DEEPER IN HELL'S FIRE.

NONA

ITS JUST A REMINDER -–SO WE DON'T FORGET WHOM YOU ARE

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 7:57 am ET

Akiva Heifetz January 20th, 2009 743 GMT

Roscoe

33% … 100% whats the difference in the case of a occupation?

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Do you think I give a rats ass about who gave what to who- sorry- I'm simply here fo the entertainment- as I think you are too!

Tell the truth!!!

Akiva Heifetz   January 20th, 2009 8:03 am ET

Roscoe

so if your here but not really interesstet about historical facts about israel or gaza or better both
if you dont care about the war in gaza
if you dont care about the reason or a solution to the conflict in the israel gaza war

why do you talk about UN resolutions and gaza and israel and redCross in gaza and so on ?

why you dont just tell us some jokes?
that would be real entertainment to us :D

why you come to this blog?
i guess there are some sites in the world wide web which are more in entertainment as this cnn blog about gaza

maybe you should try to search with google for some good plaes which are totaly interessted in entertainment ;)
there are a lot of sites ;)

benyemen   January 20th, 2009 8:10 am ET

HUNK

WITHOUT ASKING AND EVEN WITHOUT ADDING MY NICK NAME.

HEY COUSINS WHAT ARE YOU RUNNING AWAY FROM,

GLEIGH SAYS EVERYTIME I JOIN THE BLOG ALL LADIES RUN AWAY – I WONDER WHY IS THAT?

benyemen   January 20th, 2009 8:18 am ET

HI ROSCOE..............HOW U DOING!!

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 8:28 am ET

Akiva Heifetz January 20th, 2009 803 GMT

Roscoe

so if your here but not really interesstet about historical facts about israel or gaza or better both
if you dont care about the war in gaza
if you dont care about the reason or a solution to the conflict in the israel gaza war

why do you talk about UN resolutions and gaza and israel and redCross in gaza and so on ?

why you dont just tell us some jokes?
that would be real entertainment to us :D

why you come to this blog?
i guess there are some sites in the world wide web which are more in entertainment as this cnn blog about gaza

maybe you should try to search with google for some good plaes which are totaly interessted in entertainment ;)
there are a lot of sites
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Sorry about my previos comments-

I have my own opinion of the situation in Gaza.
I firmly support the Israeli position,without excepton
Need I say more?
The sun has risen at my home, but it's fun taxing the feeble brains of most of hese bloggeers-- however, your're an exception!

benyemen   January 20th, 2009 8:31 am ET

ROSCOE

R U THERE SWEET MELLON

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 8:48 am ET

benyemen January 20th, 2009 818 GMT

HI ROSCOE…………..HOW U DOING
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I'm sure I'm doing much bettet thanyor brothers in GAza!!

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I'm just so excited that you drag your muslim ass out of the bed this early in the morning! The rest of us haven' t gone to bed yet-- We're still partying with your women!!! He ! He! He! Bwaaaaaaaa!

benyemen   January 20th, 2009 9:01 am ET

ROSCOE

BWAAAAAAA? WHATS THAT YOU LAUGHING OR IN PAIN? I JUST FEEL I LIKE YOUR JEW FANNY

willhaggle   January 20th, 2009 9:26 am ET

reply to Steve Canada, I dont think Karl is biased you can only report on what you see.What is war about except needless death and destruction.
Unfortunately thats what news is all about.On the other hand if I was on a boat which was delivery aid to the sick and needy, which I might add was well illuminated and unarmed, and was rammed by idiots in far superior boats in the middle of the night for no reason .I might be a little
prejudice.I might add I think Karls abilities as a journalist have been well proven having been in most of the hotspots on more than one occassion.
Has nt the rest of the world got a right to know what so called humans are doing to one another.I can assure you he has a human and caring side and would like to see justice in this world as we all would and let people live in peace and harmony.

Bill   January 20th, 2009 9:48 am ET

It seems that the Islamic terrorists of Hamas still can't control themselves. Since they declared a ceasefire, they have violated their own ceasefire with 7 rocket attacks on Israel. It just shows the world that Muslims don't ever tell the truth and can not be trusted. I'd like to see Israel go back in there now that the roaches have crawled out from underneath the women's skirts and finish the job on that Islamic terrorist state. Muslims have no honor and understand only violence and death. Give it to them.

Libra   January 20th, 2009 9:54 am ET

Instead of destroying Hamas, the operation upgraded it, turning it into an important regional player. It's only a matter of time before the government in Ramallah collapses and falls into Hamas hands. Within a year, we'll have an upgraded Hezbollah in Gaza, not a weak Hamas. That Hezbollah will have hundreds of rockets that reach central Tel Aviv. Ultimately for you, rockets will hit the Kirya [government complex] and Azrieli [towers].

benyemen   January 20th, 2009 10:50 am ET

DO YOU KNOW ZIONISTS IDEOLOGY BEGAN WITH PREMISE THAT

"....A LAND WITHOUT A PEOPLE FOR A PEOPLE WITHOU A LAND."

PALESTINIANS RESISTANCE FORCES, WHO YOU CALL TERRORISTS HAVE ONE QUOTE AS PER THEIR ANCESTORS:

"GIVE US LIBERTY OR GIVE US DEATH"

Professor   January 20th, 2009 11:09 am ET

Good Day Palestinian supporters,

Horrible Day Zionists supporters,

Its the occupation stupid.

Professor   January 20th, 2009 11:16 am ET

Sounds familiar?

If you take the word Lebanon out and replaced it with Gaza this report applies 2009, but it was written in 2006.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/aug/23/israelandthepalestinians.syria

Amnesty report accuses Israel of war crimes

Israel deliberately targeted civilian infrastructure and committed war crimes during the month-long conflict in Lebanon, according to an Amnesty International report.
The report said strikes on civilian buildings and structures went beyond "collateral damage" and amounted to indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks under the Geneva conventions on the laws of war.

Kate Gilmore, the Amnesty executive deputy secretary general, said the bombardment of power and water plants and transport links was "deliberate and an integral part of a military strategy".

"Israel's assertion that the attacks on the infrastructure were lawful is manifestly wrong," she said.

"Many of the violations identified in our report are war crimes. The pattern, scope and scale of the attacks makes Israel's claim that this was collateral damage simply not credible."

Amnesty called for an official UN inquiry into human rights violations on both sides of the conflict.

The report's authors described the destruction of up to 90% of some towns and villages in southern Lebanon, releasing aerial photographs that showed Beirut's southern Dahiya district had been transformed from a bustling suburb into a grey wasteland.

"In village after village the pattern was similar – the streets, especially main streets, were scarred with artillery craters along their length," the report said.

"In some cases, cluster bomb impacts were identified. Houses were singled out for precision-guided missile attack and were destroyed, totally or partially, as a result.

"Business premises such as supermarkets or food stores and auto service stations and petrol stations were targeted, often with precision-guided munitions and artillery that started fires and destroyed their contents."

Israel launched more than 7,000 air strikes against Lebanon during the 34-day war, and naval vessels launched 2,500 shells, the report said.

Around one third of the 1,183 people killed in Lebanon were children, while 4,054 people were injured and 970,000 displaced.

Lebanese estimates suggest that 30,000 houses, along with up to 120 bridges, 94 roads, 25 fuel stations and 900 businesses, were destroyed.

Two hospitals were destroyed and three others severely damaged, while 31 "vital points" – such as airports, ports, water and sewage treatment plants, and electrical facilities – were also completely or partially destroyed.

The overall cost of the damage amounted to $3.5bn (£1.8bn), the report said.

Around 4,000 Hizbullah rockets were fired at northern Israel during the conflict, killing around 40 civilians. Up to 300,000 people in northern Israel were driven into bomb shelters by the fighting, and 117 soldiers died.

The Amnesty report said Israeli military policy seemed directed at destroying Lebanese popular support for Hizbullah, a tactic prohibited by the Geneva conventions.

"The widespread destruction ... in addition to several statements by Israeli officials, suggests a policy of punishing both the Lebanese government and the civilian population in an effort to get them to turn against Hizbullah," it said.

Red Cross officials were quoted as saying that people left behind in inaccessible villages in southern Lebanon had been unable to get hold of fresh water.

Refugees from the border village of Rmeish had told Red Cross delegates that locals had had to drinking foul water from an irrigation ditch.

The report's allegation of disproportionate action echoes comments made during the conflict by international observers including French, Russian and EU officials and the UN humanitarian chief, Jan Egeland.

However, the British government has avoided the term, which could be considered an accusation of war crimes, although former the foreign secretary Jack Straw and the Conservative foreign affairs spokesman William Hague both used it.

CS   January 20th, 2009 11:20 am ET

It's sad how the news comes on and says that Hamas has fired more rockets into Gaza, and idiots just blindly believe it. The Jewish run media. The Jewish run media that would'nt allow any other media but Israeli media to cover the conflict.
How stupid can people be. What if this is a fabrication? What if it's one or two lunatics? What if it was another group sending some of the rockets, claiming it was Hamas? What if Israel lies about the number of rockets?
I've heard 6000 rockets in 8yrs, I've heard 11000 rockets. Both very nice clean even numbers...but you can see the large difference between 6000 and 11000? No?

CS   January 20th, 2009 11:30 am ET

I think that it is also sad that So many Christians blindly support Jews because of Biblical misinterpretations. The Jew of today knows that Jews were responsible for the death of our savior. They know that jews run many companies that get very rich off the sweat of many Americans. They know that banks and media are run by Jews. So why would Christians blindly get in line to bow to these zionists. It's like some of them don't see the zionist laughing in the face of them, as they hand over their money. What fools. I'm glad I can see. It's like the Matrix. Some are told the truth, but need to see it for themselves. Some are so dependant on the system that they would fight to protect it. Some prefer the blue pill to the red pill. Coppertops :)

Professor   January 20th, 2009 12:16 pm ET

Israel is facing growing demands from senior UN officials and human rights groups for an international war crimes investigation in Gaza over allegations such as the "reckless and indiscriminate" shelling of residential areas and use of Palestinian families as human shields by soldiers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/13/gaza-israel-war-crimes

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 12:17 pm ET

???????????????

Professor   January 20th, 2009 12:21 pm ET

http://revisionisthistory.org/palestine50.html

Israel's Crimes against Palestinians: War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity, Genocide
by Francis Boyle Professor of International Law

Professor   January 20th, 2009 12:27 pm ET

Wassssup Mohammed?

Professor   January 20th, 2009 12:30 pm ET

To those so called Christian Zionists on here:

8:42 Jesus said to the Jews, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me."
8:43 "Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word."
8:44 "You are of your father the devil and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature; for he is a liar and the father of lies."
8:45 "But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me." [JOHN 8:42-45]

CS   January 20th, 2009 12:30 pm ET

Hey Professor. Thanks for posting the facts. Few people on these blogs can relate to that. Just wait a few. Akiva, Brandon, Bill, and all the other racist Nazi's will be in here slandering, doing anything possible to deter people from looking at the facts. The truth. You could have a quote from Abraham himself, and they would find a way to justify Israel's behavior.

Professor   January 20th, 2009 12:32 pm ET

96% OF THE WORLD'S JEWS ARE ASHKENAZIM, WHO CAN TRACE THEIR ANCESTRY TO KHAZARIA, A CONGLOMERATE OF ARYAN TURKISH TRIBES WHICH CONVERTED TO JUDAISM IN A.D. 740.
THE ASHKENAZIM HAVE NO HISTORIC RIGHTS TO 'RETURN' AND OCCUPY LAND IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THEY SHOULD 'TRANSFER' TO THE STEPPES OF SOUTHERN RUSSIA OR STRAIGHT TO MONGOLIA WHERE ALL TURKISH TRIBES ORIGINATED!

http://servus.christusrex.org/www2/koestler/

Professor   January 20th, 2009 12:39 pm ET

CS,

You are welcome... thanks to you too for being here and supporting the truth.

Don't worry about the idiots who are here. They do not count....

Just stick to your truth and they will eventually go away.

Professor   January 20th, 2009 12:47 pm ET

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1056677.html

Last update – 05:34 19/01/2009

Israel fears wave of war crimes lawsuits over Gaza offensive

By Aluf Benn

Tags: Gaza, israel news, Hamas

Israel is preparing for a wave of lawsuits by pro-Palestinian organizations overseas against Israelis involved in the Gaza fighting, claiming they were responsible for war crimes due to the harsh results stemming from the IDF's actions against Palestinian civilians and their property.

Senior Israeli ministers have expressed serious fears during the past few days about the possibility that Israel will be pressed to agree to an international investigation of the losses among non-combatants during Operation Cast Lead; or alternately, that Israelis will be faced with personal suits, such as happened to Israeli officers who were accused of war crimes in Britain for their actions during the second intifada.

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When the scale of the damage in Gaza becomes clear, I will no longer take a vacation in Amsterdam, only at the international court in The Hague," said one minister. It was not clear whether he was trying to make a joke or not.

Another minister said that in contrast to the situation that existed following Operation Defensive Shield in the West Bank seven years ago, this time attacked by Israel is under total Palestinian control. Hence, foreign journalists who enter the Gaza Strip to report on the aftermath of Operation Cast Lead will not be accompanied by Israeli officials or spokesmen, as they were in the West Bank in 2002.

The defense establishment has started to collect material in advance of the expected legal claims, and has prepared its defense regarding the private houses the Israel Defense Forces attacked in Gaza. The evidence includes material about where weapons were stockpiled, and sites from which Hamas was firing rockets. Social Affairs Minister Isaac Herzog (Labor), who is coordinating the humanitarian aid to Gaza, will also coordinate Israel's public relations efforts against the accusations of war crimes.

The main danger is expected to come from lawsuits brought by individuals and organizations, rather than governmental attempts to undertake official investigations. Senior officials expect that the visits of European leaders in Jerusalem this week, and statements by them that presented Israel's offensive as part of a justified war on terror, will aid Israel in future legal battles.

Israel will emphasize that it acted in self-defense in Gaza and expended great efforts in warning residents that their homes were about to be targeted and ordering them to vacate them. Israel used text messages, dropped flyers from the air and made a quarter of a million telephone calls to warn Gaza residents, as well as taking over and broadcasting warnings on Palestinian radio stations. Its defense will also provide evidence of how Hamas turned houses, schools, mosques and welfare institutions into weapons warehouses and booby-trapped them, explaining that they were attacked because they were legitimate military targets.

judyinjerusalem   January 20th, 2009 12:47 pm ET

The main issue now is averting Iranian influence in Gaza..Shimon Shapira has a good analysis of this at http://tinyurl.com/8gldrj

Marissa   January 20th, 2009 12:49 pm ET

Where do we go from here? We have to ensure that Iran does not acquire full influence in the post-war process. Read Shimon Shapira's analysis of this from the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs:
http://tiny.cc/VG4u5

Professor   January 20th, 2009 12:56 pm ET

Judy,

Why is that?

Professor   January 20th, 2009 12:58 pm ET

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0901/S00016.htm

An Israeli War Crimes Tribunal
Friday, 2 January 2009, 3:52 pm
Press Release: Francis A. Boyle

An Israeli War Crimes Tribunal (ICTI) May be the Only Deterrent to a Global War

by Francis A. Boyle

The United Nations General Assembly must immediately establish an International Criminal Tribunal for Israel (ICTI) as a "subsidiary organ" under U.N. Charter Article 22. The ICTI would be organized along the lines of the International Criminal Tribunal for Yugoslavia (ICTY), which was established by the Security Council.

The purpose of the ICTI would be to investigate and prosecute Israeli war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide against the Peoples of Lebanon and Palestine–just as the ICTY did for the victims of international crimes committed by Serbia and the Milosevic Regime throughout the Balkans.

Professor   January 20th, 2009 1:07 pm ET

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4580139.stm

Amnesty slams Israel 'war crimes'

Most Palestinian casualties are unjustifiable, Amnesty says
Amnesty International has accused Israel of committing war crimes in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip.
The rights group's report for 2004 says Israeli forces have killed some 700 Palestinians – including 150 children – mostly in unlawful circumstances.

Professor   January 20th, 2009 1:09 pm ET

http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3651991,00.html

Ecuador accuses Israel of crimes against humanity

'World is horrified by Israeli military offensive against Palestinian people,' says country's legislative commission

AFP Published: 01.07.09, 09:50 / Israel News

Lawmakers in Ecuador on Tuesday condemned Israel's military offensive in the Gaza Strip and called for a global probe of alleged "crimes against humanity."

The country's legislative commission "called for an international investigation to pursue those responsible for these crimes against humanity," it said on the 11th day of the Jewish state's assault on Hamas-run Gaza.

The commission, which replaces Congress until the next general election in April after a new Constitution is adopted, said it passed a resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire and expressed solidarity with the Palestinian people.

Professor   January 20th, 2009 1:11 pm ET

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/UN_Human_Rights_Commissioner_calls_for_0110.html

UN Commissioner: investigate Israel for war crimesStephen C. Webster
Published: Saturday January 10, 2009

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Israel leaflets Gaza, promises fighting will intensify

Navi Pillay, the United Nations High Commissioner on Human Rights, wants an investigation into what she believes to be war crimes committed by Israeli forces.

Professor   January 20th, 2009 1:32 pm ET

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/4270681/BTselem-views-to-a-kill.html

B'Tselem: views to a kill

A teenager videos the shooting of an unarmed demonstrator; a woman records a mob attacking her house... as the world focuses on Gaza, Palestinians in the West Bank are filming the reality of occupation – using camcorders provided by sympathetic Israelis.

CS   January 20th, 2009 2:06 pm ET

To Marissa and Judy: Fist. Hello. Next, why must Iran have no influence in the region? Why is it only alright for the U.S., Israel, and other bullying forces to have allies? The bombshells, bullet shell casings, chemicals, tanks, missiles, hellicopters, and fighter jets come from the U.S. Nobody calls it "influencing the region."
In fact, The U.S. knows the least of the intricate detail, and fragile history that takes place in this part of the world, yet it has the most to say about who can do what, where and why. A little hypocrytical, ya think?

CS   January 20th, 2009 2:21 pm ET

In fact, some outside influence in the favor of Palestine is exactly what is needed to secure the region. I now, and have in the past, NOT AGREED WITH THE WAY HAMAS DOES THINGS. BUT...if the Palestinian people as a whole ( Gaza/West Bank) weregiven independence, they would be better off. I'm not saying be a stink stick, and give arms to Hamas. But if Palestine was given REAL support.
Like Engineers to help sure up infrastructure (roads, bridges, public works), people would have jobs, which would sure up an economy. If Palestine were helped with education, which would secure a future for children, who by the way would be less prone to violence, and violent organozations if they were educated. If Palestinians were given the technology of a power plant ( so they would'nt have to be concerned about Israel cutting the power supply every day), possibly windmills, or oceanic current systems, they could be independent of Israeli control. This would also add to the work force. If Palestine were given military training, and equipment (like the Jews were given by us in 1948, and thereafter), than bullies would be less apt to .... well, we have a saying. It goes "Don't start no sh-t, won't be no sh-t."
You don't see anybody rushing to star a fight with Russia, or China, do you? Hell, they even acted like they had a problem with N. Korea...until Kim flexed a little bit, now you hear the symphony of crickets chirping, because the U.S. has nothing else to say about that issue, as the leaders probably filled their pants at the sight of someone not backing down to their tough talk.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 2:34 pm ET

Professor
im fine. sorry i did not answer earlier. I just saw what was written here and went back to work.
ill join you after work inshallah.
Bye

Professor   January 20th, 2009 2:40 pm ET

Not a problem... take care

Professor   January 20th, 2009 2:56 pm ET

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/732465.html

Hackers attack 750 Israeli websites in protest of IDF operation in Gaza

By Lior Haner

A group of Moroccan hackers attacked hundreds of Israeli websites on Wednesday. Some reports say that as many as 750 websites with the suffix co.il have come under attack.

The website attacks started after Israel Defense Forces began preparing for the retaliatory "Summer Rain" operation in Gaza, in response to the kidnapping of IDF soldier Gilad Shalit on Sunday.

benyemen   January 20th, 2009 2:59 pm ET

JUDY AND MARISA

ITS ME YOUR COUSIN, HOW U DOING...........BABES,

WHY IRAN DOESN'T RECOGNISE THE ZIONIST STATE, WHY SHOULD WE CALL IT IRAN WE SHOULD CALL IT AHMADNAJAD'S PERSIA!!! EH WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Professor   January 20th, 2009 3:03 pm ET

Israeli domain registration server hacked

Gaza offensive prompts Islamic group Team Evil to 'hijack' Israeli domain names by hacking into registration server, rerouting users of Ynetnews, Bank Discount to hostile webpage. Original sites were not hacked Niv Lillian Published: 01.02.09, 14:47 / Israel News

An Islamic group based on Morocco hacked into DomainTheNet's registration system server on Friday, effectively "highjacking" various prominent domain names, the likes of ynetnews.com and Bank Discount, and rerouting users to a page featuring anti-Israel messages

DomainTheNet is a multinational registration service provider (RSP), which offers registration and site-hosting services. The attack is believed to be in retaliation to Operation Cast Lead in the Gaza Strip.
The attack resulted in some users being referred to the hostile webpage, while others were able to access the original websites, undisturbed. The group did not hack the actual websites.

Appearing as a defacement attempt at first, the attack soon turned out to be more sophisticated: The hackers were able to obtain a password which granted them access to the server which updates and "translates" the websites' IP addresses into a Domain Name Service; and change the IP's numeral values, effectively rerouting users away from the original websites.
The attack was claimed by a Moroccan group calling itself "Team Evil," which had previously hacked other Israeli brands such as Cellcom, Shilav and BlueSquare. Ynet has learned that the server hosting the hackers' website is based in Japan.

Ynet's Editor in Chief Jon Feder, said that "the fact that hackers were able to breach DomainTheNet, by allegedly using valid client passwords, is highly disturbing.

"Ynet is looking into all aspects of the incident, be they technical, procedural or legal vis-à-vis the domain registration service and the matter will be dealt with without delay."

Yoav Keren, CEO of DomainTheNet Technologies, told Ynet that the hackers were able to track passwords used by the online customer services system, to access the domain management system, posing as system administrators authorized to change IP addresses.
DomainTheNet's staff spotted the security breach, blocked it and thwarted further attempts by Team Evil to make any further changes.
The updating of all DNS servers around the world may take 24 hours or longer, resulting in some users still being rerouted to the hostile webpage.
The site formed by the group featured graphic images of dead bodies and abused Iraqi prisoners.
The message, featured alongside a propaganda song in Arabic, read "The Bitter Truth History repeats itself all the victims were said to words such as "terrorists" and the only reason for those words and that the overwhelming offender and murderer was a stronger force, but will not last, and the criminals will be rotting in hell and can not escape the punishment of God"
Ynet has learned that the server hosting the hackers' website is based in Japan. The attack was claimed by a Moroccan group calling itself "Team Evil," which had previously hacked other Israeli brands the likes of Cellcom, Shilav and BlueSquare.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...649281,00.html

wallflower   January 20th, 2009 3:08 pm ET

CUBFAN
"I do not know who Hamas prays to, but their God made of silver and hate from Tehran has no powers except to reign down terror and destruction to all those who pray to it. "

That is filthy of you to say. if you had any ounce of intelligence you would know that the God you have just slammed is the GOD that all three abrahamic religions pray to. Don't be an ignorant prick, please.
HAMAS is a resistance force, not everyone consider's it to be a terrorist organization! THE ONLY VOICE OF THE PALESTINIANS..the palestinians who have been oppressed for years.

For all you accusing Professor and CS and all the other Palestinian suppoters of being anti-peace, shame on you. They are standing for justice, for what the palestinians deserved ages ago.

It boggles my mind that so many people are yet to see the truth, it really boggles my mind. this world is corrupt with Israeli influence yet you all fail to see this. True jews understand this fact and stand for justice with the rest of us. In my eyes, those who support Israel are supporting terror, the number one terrorist state in the world.

CS   January 20th, 2009 3:16 pm ET

How about we call Israelland rented from Palestine :)

Professor   January 20th, 2009 3:27 pm ET

CS,

Ok what would you do with a renter who has not paid his rent for 60 years?

You evict him.... LOL

CS   January 20th, 2009 3:29 pm ET

cubfan. If you return. Tell me then, what of the days when the LORD reigned heavily against the Israelites for their misdeeds? Every group suffers at one point or another. What people like you don't understand, or care about, is that the people effected mos t by these things are the civilians, who have no say in what Hamas, or West Bank authorities do. They are good people, just living day to day, who don't deserve this. God wants his people to lead by example. Just who his people are, have changed in theory over the ages. Sodam and Gomorah, The golden calfs, and manmade gods worshiped by the people who acted like harlots, ahoring themselves to other gods, and sinful ideologies, have changed the level of the playing field my friend. Just cause you, or others CHOOSE to worship God does not make yoy ISRAELITES. And even if you were, the last I read, God was not very happy with them. And He is'nt happy with what the inhabitants of the land of Israel do in this age.

benyemen   January 20th, 2009 3:29 pm ET

DEAR CS

THE ZIONISTS IDEOLOGY BEGAN WITH PREMISE THAT

“….A LAND WITHOUT A PEOPLE FOR A PEOPLE WITHOU A LAND.”

BUT THEY DON'T PAY RENT I.E. THEY JEW PALESTINIAN OF RENT.

CS   January 20th, 2009 3:32 pm ET

Well, gotta go watch the inauguration now. Godwilling, the new president can put a stop to the raping and pillaging of the Islamic people in the Middle East. It will be in my prayers. Godwilling.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 3:48 pm ET

Ban ki moon in ghazza:" what i see and smell in ghaza is heart breaking and what i feel inside is depressing ; i will transmit these images of desolation to evrybody in the UN and especially Obama".

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 3:53 pm ET

mooshy yaalon:"the was is not over and the mission has not been accomplished yet".

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 3:58 pm ET

ban ki moon:"we will sue those who were responsible for the bombing of theUNRWA schools".

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 4:06 pm ET

An idf soldier in an israeli channel:"they were sniping us and the place where we were standing became like a hunting scene".

benyemen   January 20th, 2009 4:10 pm ET

BAN KI-MOON

HOW ABOUT

:”we will sue ISRAEL for the bombing of GAZA”. and not only unrwa schools!!!!

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 4:12 pm ET

An idf soldier (wounded in a hospital) in an israeli channel:"there strategy was to catch us and emprison us; I saw them coming from the upper floor and fighting with one of our soldiers; our army started to fire randomly till a bomb that was carried by him exploded and died."

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 4:17 pm ET

benyemen

you are right. Double standards as usual.

benyemen   January 20th, 2009 4:19 pm ET

An idf soldier ”if this is victory, "shelling civillians, "killing children"" then i am not part of it”.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 4:21 pm ET

LIVNI "i admire the over aggressivity displayed by our idf in gazza. it was necessary to reach our goals".

Q: which goals?

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 4:26 pm ET

a palestinian wom:" i was hiding with my 10 kids in one meter space; either we live together or die together."

This is the gazzan woman; she sacrifice herself for her beloved ones.

benyemen   January 20th, 2009 4:30 pm ET

BAN KI-MOON,

" i will transmit these images of desolation to everybody in the UN and especially Obama”.

DO YOU THINK HE DOESN'T KNOW "ONE PRESIDENT AT A TIME" ABED.

I JUST DON'T GET IT WHILE HE CONDEMED MUMBAI HAPPENINGS BUT GAZA SEEMED "UNTOUCHABLE ISSUE"

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 4:31 pm ET

i was disgusted by the coverage of the french media too. they have never showed any picture of the kids who were killed. they say they cant because of the french code of ethics. on the other hand, each time a small rocket falls in israel, all their journalists hurry to film there.
i still dont know why.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 4:35 pm ET

Obama said he cant speak about the crisis because Bush is in charge. this was definitely a weak argument, i should say.

Professor   January 20th, 2009 4:35 pm ET

Its simple Mohammed,

The Palestinian children are bleeding....

The Israeli children are not....

Its the occupation stupid.

benyemen   January 20th, 2009 4:51 pm ET

YES YES CODE OF ETHICS SHOWING PORN MOVIES AT 12 NOON TO THE MIDDLE EAST AREAS COVERAGE, REMEMBER CANAL PLUS, WHY IT WAS TAKEN OFF ARAB SAT.

BUT SOMETIMES WE CAN'T ASK TOO MUCH FROM AN ABED WHO DOES ONE THING AT A TIME, (EITHER CHEW CHEWING GUM OR WALK) BECAUSE HE CAN'T DO BOTH AT ONCE.

I WILL BE WATCHING HIM RAPE USA AS HIS "BROTHER" ROBERT MUGABE DID IN ZIMBABWE.

I JUST WONDER HOW THIS AMERICANS CHOOSE A PRESIDENT DUBYA FOR TWO TERMS AND NOW AN ABED!!!!!! AND THEY CLAIM WE CHOOSE TERROSISTS LIKE HAMAS.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 4:52 pm ET

till now neither Abbas nor amr moussa have started the legal procedure to sue the criminals of war in the international penal court. If they dont ,how are we going to make them pay for their shameful misdeeds. without their request, the criminals will repeat this massacre again and again.
N.B. ABBAS AS THE PERSIDENT OF THE DE FACTO STATE OF PALESTINE.
Moussa as the president of the arab league where palestine is a member.
????????????????????????????????????????????

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 4:55 pm ET

benyemen
LOL
I told this too to hope yesterday.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 5:01 pm ET

benyemen
remember where he wore the kappa and said the first thing he would do is acknowledge jerusalem as a jewish state. see his staff too and youll easily have hints about his foreign policy.
he forgot about the suffering of his ancestors in the virginia tabacco fields.
people in the arab world are optimistic.my ass. just see the beaty queen "Condolezza Rice" and then link color with politics.

Change
No we cant
lol

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 5:12 pm ET

this same singer is always invited to the Maghreb as a symbol of the friendship between arabs and jews; you know, the dialogue of civilizations crap.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 5:19 pm ET

to see the irony more , watch Shimon Perez talking in aljazeera and behaving in amad way with jouirnalist krichane: "you should be more positive in your channel;why do you show the pictures of the kids?".
this is insane.
if i were a nobel prize winner, i would choose to return it back. it has become a disgrace to its owners.

benyemen   January 20th, 2009 5:28 pm ET

MO G,

HE CONVERTED HIS RELIGION MAN (WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM SUCH A PERSON).

BARAKA WHICH IS HIS ORIGINAL GIVEN NAME MEANS IN SWAHILI LANGUAGE (KENYAN, TANZANIAN, UGANDAN) "BLESSED" ALSO IN ARABIC "BARAKAH"

WHICH IS FAR AWAY FROM WHAT IT WAS BESTOWED ON.

benyemen   January 20th, 2009 5:44 pm ET

AMR MOUSA , ABBAS, SE HUSNI ARE A DISGRACE TO OUR RACE.

TODAY THEY CAME UP WITH A RESOLUTION:

"WE REQUEST PLEASE, PLEASE STOP THE WAR IN GAZA"

3 DAYS AFTER THE CEASE FIRE.

PREVIOUS COMMENT.
I MEANT FRANCE 2, WITH A PROGRAM FROM CANAL PLUS.

ITS A SHAME FOR US TO RECOGNISE THE UN, AND NOBEL PRIZE FOR PEACE.

John   January 20th, 2009 6:10 pm ET

You really don't believe any facts given by any entity about war do you? How can you believe the facts from any source? They all are going to assume, or say things they really don't know are true. So to list facts is rediculous. Unless you actually seen, heard, experienced it, don't list the facts. All humans are good at distorting the truth whether Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Athiest, or just plain stupid people whom the Professor likes to call everybody who doesn't go with his views. Everybody can keep saying one thing or another, but really it comes down to stopping the violence, no matter where it is. If you all want to argue for one side or another, we get nowhere. All the reporting, all the lies, distortion of truth, just basic talking getting nowhere. If the people of Gaza and the West Bank want peace and don't want to suffer anymore, show the world that violence is not an option anymore. Prove it to a point beyond a reasonable doubt. Demand that Hamas, and any other militant factions are going to stop the violence and stop them. Show the world that you mean it! Then watch how many countries that will help them live their lives in a healthy, positive way. As you can see, the violence just breeds violence. Try going the other way, and watch how good can overcome evil. But you have to want good! By doing what is good. We can sit here blame one person, or country doing crimes against another, and spar and spar and spar, and keep dropping bombs on innocent people while the other side keeps trying to kill or destroy anything they can. Or we can say enough is enough! Stop the violence! Stop the shelling, stop the bombing, renounce violence and carry it out. How could Israel bomb, or kill people who are trying to do good? They won't! So what would we do, if they didn't have a reason to bomb the Palestinians or do keep aid from flowing into Gaza and the West Bank? Then the world could jump on Israels butt for not doing what they need to do to help support the Palestinian people. But the world isn't going to support the Palestinians while they continue to let militant factions keep the violence going against Israel. I am amazed at the violence that keeps coming from the area but nothing gets accomplished but death and destruction. So if you want peace, denounce the violence on all sides! Just imagine how Israel would react? They wouldn't know what to do? How many times have we heard that Israels destruction is the only solution? It is apparent that peace will never happen unitl the Palestinians get a leader that denounces violence and carries it out completely. In the mean time we can keep these blogging sites going on for years and years and people can trash talk each other and get nothing accomplished. 10 years from now we will still be blogging the same thing after 1000's more people are killed because of what? Occupation? What the hell, keep it going! We will all destroy ourselves in the end, and then we will have peace!

benyemen   January 20th, 2009 6:28 pm ET

CS

WILL NOT USE SUCH LANGUAGE (WHO IS USING HIS NICK NAME)?

JOHN

WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST WE STOP THE FIGHTING RESISTANCE OPTION?

“WHO DOESN’T CLIMB MOUNTAINS, WILL ALWAYS LIVE IN HOLES” A TUNISIAN POET.

CS   January 20th, 2009 6:41 pm ET

John. You're saying that Palestine needs to lead by example by not using violence. What else can they do to be heard? They have done what the U.N. wanted, and used democracy to decide an election. The guys who were unpopular ( for good reason) got elected nonetheless. Now rather than honor that election, the U.S. /U.N. decided to sanction the Palestinian people, and close their eyes to what Israel has done to them for the last 2years. Ever since ordered to exit Gaza, the Israelis have cut electricity, cut food supplies, cut medical supplies, and harrassed the PEOPLE of Palestine, The people were made to suffer because of the choice they made. Now if they tried the diplomatic approach, and were denied fair treatment, what other great ideas do you have? Maybe if they all got together and sang, Bails of food would fall from the sky, roads would build themselves, economy would run itself, and everybody could make a forest fire, and make s'mores?

CS   January 20th, 2009 6:51 pm ET

John. Since you think Israel will keep their word, and have such noble intentions, can you tell me why Israel has been setting these blockades since 2006? And even during the cease fire? Why, if the Israelis wanted peace, would they give the Palestinians ANY reason to be angry with them during a cease fire, when peace SHOULD be being discussed?
I'm so damn tired of people trying to paint Israel as the righteous ones, who only REact to Palestine. Theyr are not innocent by far.

benyemen   January 20th, 2009 6:52 pm ET

CS

I SEE THAT YOU CAME WITH FURRY FOR A COMMENT WHICH HAD SMALL ERRORS LIKE "AFRICAN" AND "AFRICAN AMERICAN" AND "TOBBACO" INSTEAD OF "COTTON".

IN SWAHILI (KENYAN LANGUAGE) WE SAY "SAMAHANI BWANA" I.E. "SORRY SIR" FOR OUR ERROR WHICH WAS NOT MEANT, TO UPSET YOU.

BUT KINDLY EXPLAIN TO ME WHY : if Obama were to just come out and say “Down with zionism” Than he would be impeached immediately.

AND BY WHOM. (REMEMBER DUBYA'S THE AXIS OF EVIL IRAN, NORTH KOREA AND SYRIA) AND REAGAN'S ( EVIL EMPIRE) FOR USSR, AND WHY THIS PRESIDENTS WERE NOT IMPEACHED)

Akiva Heifetz   January 20th, 2009 6:53 pm ET

CNN your analysis of the obama speachwas very pooooooor
the did not speak about muslim terror
he did speak about all terror
your old guy analyst with glases is a idiot
better he would listen before he speak about ;)
such a poor
his first analysis was crap and incorrect!!!
he is a jew seeding hate against muslim
obama was spaeking against all threats in the world
and not only about muslim
your jew boss is a idiot ... throw this boss and this anal-yst to nuthouse

CS   January 20th, 2009 6:56 pm ET

Tell me...John, if you were on your way home to your wife and child, and there was a barracade in front of your house, what would you do. Literally, your house was blocked from anythin getting in or out, and your kid was hungry, and needed medical attention, what would you do? Would you kneel down and beg the very people keeping these things from you, for fair treatment?

Tom   January 20th, 2009 7:00 pm ET

The cease fire cannot last, because Hamas and the Muslims continue their hate speech and propaganda against Israel. So, it will only be a short time until the Palestinians have to learn their lesson again. They aren't too bright. Everytime they try to fight Israel they get whipped real good. But they are destined for destruction, because they are evil. "There is no peace for the wicked, says the Lord." So, the cycle of violence will continue. The terrorists, like fools never learn anything.

CS   January 20th, 2009 7:07 pm ET

Benyemen. Sorry for the outburst. To answer your question: The reason, is simple. There are many jews, and supporters of jews who run the media, and politics, frankly, who would be unhappy with frank discussion of Israels behavior. So, maybe...just maybe, his plan is to introduce some diplomacy that is different form the old cowbow, tough guy talk that the actor Regan, and the failed buisinessmen, the Bushs'
have in the past. What Obama seems to understand, is that you can't run into a situation with guns blazing all the time. Soe things call for this action, and some call for a more subtle approach. But it seems to me that many angry Muslims just want Obama to call the zionists "pigs", and declair war on them as the first order of buisiness, and that is the wrong kind of thinking. It is the kind of thinking that has the situation a mess. There needs to be a change in the way we (the world) adresses these issues. Let's face it. The way the Islamic/Jewish people of past years don't have a great handle on things. Maybe CHANGE is what we need.

Hope   January 20th, 2009 7:10 pm ET

Akiva Heifetz

I saw that too.. Obama was referring to ALL terror...

Then you have the old geezer (round eye-glasses) from cnn interpreted differently...Amazing!!...when is cnn going to get rid of this idiot. I wonder...

benyemen   January 20th, 2009 7:23 pm ET

CS

THANKS FOR THE DEFINITION, BUT IT HAVE DEPRESSED ME ALOT OF EVEN THINKING TO SAY THE TRUTH ABOUT THE ZIONISTS HAVE BECOME VERY VERY DANGEROUS.

MEN THIS ZIONISTS PEOPLE HAVE DONE A VERY WELL JOB IN THE WORLD TO BE ABOVE THE LAW "UNTOUCHABLES".

BUT STILL WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, AND STILL WE BELIEVE THRU OUT HISTORY OCCUPIERS WIND THEIR TAILS IN THE END.

*************GIVE ME FREEDOM OR GIVE ME DEATH***************

BYE FOR TODAY.

TOM THE F****T CHRISTIAN ZIONIST

SO YOU THINK IF WE STOP HATE SPEECH

"because Hamas and the Muslims continue their hate speech and propaganda against Israel".

THE WAR WILL STOP.

Tom   January 20th, 2009 7:37 pm ET

The Muslims can never enjoy peace and prosperity, because they have such different values from Christians. Muslims don't honor life. Muslims are intolerant. They don't believe in peace. All they want to do is kill, kill, kill. Muslims hate and seek to destroy. The more they destroy the happier they are. They never build up anything. They will never have peace, because they don't deserve it.
Stop the occupation of Israel! Get the Palestinians out now! Israel has been so tolerant. I can't believe it. They put up with incoming rockets. They drop leaflets warning their enemies to get out of harms way. The foolish Muslims don't care. They just stay there and die. Then CNN and the left wing media blames Israel. Amazing! God will not be mocked. Israel is certain to prevail over the muslim terrorists and all their evil hoards. You are fighting a battle you can never win, CS. Jesus Christ is Lord. He will vanquish all muslims and unbelievers. Israel will turn to Christ in the end and all Israel will be saved. My advice to you CS, is to repent of your foolish rebellion and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. He is Lord of all.

Libra   January 20th, 2009 7:39 pm ET

“During our struggle the forces of repression attributed the rebellion of our people to agitators and terrorists. The rulers of Israel are repeating the costly mistakes made by the captains of Apartheid in our country. The youth of Palestine are ready to march against tanks and armoured cars because it is no longer possible for them to live as a dispossessed people. To shoot them only serves to emphasise the justice of their cause and their actions. Their martyrdom gives meaning to their existence as human beings. The attempt to search and destry so-called agitators and terrorists in their midst in the belief that they are instigators of the rebellion without whom the rebellion would cease is to live in worse than a fool’s paradise.” – Thabo Mbeki (President of South Africa)

Professor   January 20th, 2009 7:53 pm ET

A new engagement with the Muslim world under Obama... Sounds promising.... but we still have to be careful.... :)

Libra   January 20th, 2009 8:17 pm ET

Obama knows the Israeli lobbyists world. It's Israel businessmen who destroyed USA economy with all that stealing from the people. Such greedy people. And they make themselves so innocent and they think they are so smart. They really don't know what the world really think about them. In a way, I'm almost feeling sor...no, no...they do the devils work. They don't want peace and they have such a destructive plan for their neighbors. They are really terrible.

Allahu Akbar

Tom   January 20th, 2009 8:26 pm ET

Who is behind the moon god? Satan himself. This is the one muslims serve. They are enslaved to him. No one can reason with them, because they follow after their spiritual father, Satan and their physical father, Ismael. "He shall be a wild man; His hand shall be against every man, And every man's hand shall be against him" (Genesis 16:12). Ismael was a wild madman and so are all his children, the arab muslims. It is impossible to reason with madmen. Islam is the scourge of the earth.
And yet, God will save even a few of these, the ones who repent of their sins and turn in faith to the only Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. When a person turns from their rebellion against God they will enjoy peace – peace with God and with men also. When muslims turn from their wicked ways and are saved by faith in Christ they will love the Jews. For Israel is God's chosen nation and all who love God love His people, Israel. To continue your hateful ways, muslim, is to die in your sins and face God's eternal punishment. To turn from your evil ways and believe in Jesus Christ and all He did for us on the cross is to live eternally in heaven with joy unspeakable and full of glory.
Amen!

Libra   January 20th, 2009 8:37 pm ET

What is this hogwash?
This occupation has nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with Israel's devilish brains. Israel should be ashamed of itself for it is she who has created these desparate Palestinians to what they have become. It's all part of their satanic plan to distinguish them. Like a child who desires to have another's toy and will beat him to get it.

What a disgrace to humanity.

Tom   January 20th, 2009 8:47 pm ET

Libra,
God gave the land to Israel. Stop the occupation and get the Palestinians out now! The Palestinians have never had the land and never will have the land. They are there only to oppress the Jews for their unbelief in their Messiah Savior, Jesus Christ. When the Jews turn to Jesus they will all be saved, down to the last one. But all muslims and foreigners – unbelievers will be destroyed. If you cannot understand that it is because you are a slave to Satan, your moon god.
Give up your rebellion! You will only destroy yourself.

Libra   January 20th, 2009 8:50 pm ET

Israel barges into peoples land, destroying their homes, running the people out, overturn their planted trees which would be their source of livlihood, terrorize ordinary villagers. And then they starve them, imprison them in their own homes, patrol their daily lives and Ieave them to either live hungry or die thirsty. Then they say, Palestinians are suppose to keep quiet and put up with this unhumane treatment.
NO> NO> NO.
Palestinians will fight for their rights, no matter what it takes.
You can call it whatever you like.

Libra   January 20th, 2009 8:56 pm ET

Tom
God gave it to everybody. You can't just kick out people whenever you feel like it. You speak lies. You can't really be serious because you are not making sense. That's not the real world. You are dreaming. I think you are out of touch with reality here.

John   January 20th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

CS What are you doing? You are correct in that the Palestinians held elections and elected a so called terrorist group Hamas. The US and Israel said they would not negotiate with them unless they denounced terrorism. What is so wrong about that? I am not saying that I am for Israel or agree with Israel's policies, all I am saying that violence breeds violence. If you want to not have innocent people being killed, stop the violence. Pretty simple. The sanctions could of been avoided by denouncing terrorism. Pretty easy solution to get their people to be safe. But to keep firing rockets into Israel instead of renouncing terrorism is wrong. It is also wrong for Israel to kill innocent people. Like I said again, renounce all violence and look to see what happens. After Hamas was elected did they do this? No, they decided to arm themselves to the hilt and for what. To have Israel invade again and totally destroy all infrastucture. It is very apparent that didn't work. So basically what you are saying is to keep the violence going because that is the only way? Tell me how the Palestinians were deprived of fair treatment after being diplomatic? I am not painting Israel as the righteous ones. I am telling you how it has to be to create peace. It is very simple. Then you go off on a tirade about everybody singing and stuff falling from the sky. You are getting off track and doing exactly what is keeping the peace process from happening. As for the blockades, why would Israel let the suicide bombers in again? You want the blockades to stop, renounce all violence! It is very simple. Like I said before, what would Israel do if the Palestinians would renouncing violence and were showing the world they are doing it? It puts it in Israel court all by themselves if this were to be done. You sit there holding the ball after the Palestinians are denouncing violence and terrorism, the world will be expecting results after that. Make the Gaza strip and West Bank a place to go where NOBODY has to fear for their life. Change will come, because the world will demand it. The world won't demand it while all the violence is happening from both sides, or one side. I am spectator watching a life game which no will win using violence. The Palestinians want to win, throw the ball in their court by denouncing terrorism and violence and hold everybody accountable that violates it.

I.B. Wright   January 20th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

CS- Sounds like you "see" the same things I see. I agree with you 100% and until these people are placed in the shoes of the Palestinians they will never understand. Maybe one day they have will the pleasure..

Tom – This is the 21 century -you seem to be stuck in the middle ages. Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to religion.

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

Libra January 20th, 2009 2037 GMT

What is this hogwash?
This occupation has nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with Israel’s devilish brains. Israel should be ashamed of itself for it is she who has created these desparate Palestinians to what they have become. It’s all part of their satanic plan to distinguish them. Like a child who desires to have another’s toy and will beat him to get it.

What a disgrace to humanity.
************************************************

I'ts simple!

Imprison the terrorists!!!

No terrorists------ No blockade!!

It's pretty simple, but there's a lot of people that just don't get it!

John   January 20th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

If my house was blockaded I would go directly to my government and demand that they change what they are doing to get all these blockades out of here. I would rally everybody I could find and get to the table with my own people and do whatever is necessary to get this settled. Change can only come from within. I would put it all on the leaders of the Palestinian people. They can make the changes needed to keep the Palestinians getting what they need. They are the ones that are not figuring out a solution. It is very simple, but the stubbornness of the leaders creates more suffering. Renounce violence, live without killing and without trying to create terror. Things will change!

John   January 20th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

Roscoe, you are at it again. Mellow out now. We want peace!

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

Immitation Professor January 20th, 2009 1953 GMT

A new engagement with the Muslim world under Obama… Sounds promising…. but we still have to be careful…. :)
*****************************************************

Yes. you should be........................

If you spew hate and terrorism....................he'll smoke you!! Guaranteed!

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

John January 20th, 2009 2151 GMT

Roscoe, you are at it again. Mellow out now. We want peace!
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you're right!

No rockets, no terrorsts= no blockade and two state solution!

Libra   January 20th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

@JOHN
Will it be fair to say that Israel committeed terrorist acts when they evicted Palestinians from their homes in 48? You know how they did that?
In the period from 1917 to 1949, Israel had occupied 78% of the land of Palestine and evicted or caused to flee more than 750,000 Palestinian refugees to Gaza Strip , West Bank and other Arab countries like Syria , Lebanon, Jordan and others. Israel says, "Nobody told them lo leave." Well, they were forced. Then they say, "It was never their home." Well, when you build a home on your land it is yours. Then they say, "If they left for two years without coming back then it isn't their home anymore." Well, who says? What right is that for them to decide this crime? It is all part of Israel plan to exterminate the poor villagers. Imagine. These people were merely village people struggling to survive. The British mandate provided for the easiness of this exodus. In 1948, A pact between Israel's first president and Britain in exchange for the recipe of gun powder British woul take from Weizman. The partition plan gave Israel the minority more fertile land and the Palestinian majority less land in rugged areas. 1948, the Irgun Zwei Leumi led by Menachem Beigin, a former Israeli Cabinet Minister and former leader of the Opposition in the Israeli Parliament, attacked the small Arab village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem. An account of this barbaric massacre was given by Jacques de Reynier, the Chief Delegate of the International Red Cross , who was able to reach the village and witness the aftermath of the massacre: "Three hundred persons" he said, "were massacred ... without any military reason or provocation of any kind; old men women, children, newly-born were savagely murdered with grenades and knives by Jewish troops of the Irgun, entirely under the control of their chiefs."

Did Israel ever denounce terrorism then?
Or that was terrorism then?
Is that their version of peace?

Or is this fake history? No proof of this catastophe? No, there is plenty.

John   January 20th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

Now we are talking! Are there any Palestinians out there that are ready to renounce violence, terrorism and get the leaders of the Palestinians to get on the NO VIOLENCE bandwagon and just see what the heck becomes of it? Really what can it hurt? You won't be attacked if you are renouncing violence and terrorism. Bring it to the world stage and tell the whole world! Believe me, CNN, Al Jazeera, BBC, and other news corporations will be coming to Gaza and the West Bank to broadcast it. It would be the top news story in the world, the whole world would be watching and then it would be Israels time to do what is right while the whole world was watching. You could put yourself on the grand stage of the world! You could then start to rally all countries to get what you need to live in peace and harmony! Lets do it. I will help anybody who wants to do it! The world will too!

John   January 20th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

So Libra, you think going on with the current ways is working? You keep bringing up the past. We are working for the future! It is time to drop the past, and work for the future generations so they don't have to suffer because we are so closed minded! Quit arguing and start figuring out what needs to be done! Violence isn't the answer, so lets get on the bandwagon!

John   January 20th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

You want a murderous history? Come to the US and let us show you how we massacred the Indians at various times throughout the last 150 years. Are we still that way now? NO, it won't happen again in our lifetime. Times have changed, for the better, and we have instant communication throughout the world. The massacre of the Arabs and Indians happened back then, but it is unexceptable now, and most likely will never happen again. So don't compare a watermelon to a cherry. Forget about it, and work for the future generations so that they won't have to live like the Palestinians are living now. This means forgiving each other for past mistakes. Everybody keeps bringing up the past. We only care about the future. The past we cannot change, the future we can.

Libra   January 20th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

Since Israeli claim to be so clever since God knows when, you would think they would know a few things about past historys. So why then you call these masacres a "mistake"? They weren't thinking about the future then? It was their plan. Just as it was America's plan to get rid of the Indians. Oops. A mistake. They didn't know about the future. Who are you fooling? It is all a plan.

Libra   January 20th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

Oh, btw, I am an American. I've read about the Indians in history classes. Not a proud moment in American history. I guess the land of oppurtunity was promised to George Washington in the Bible Torah too.

mohammad gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

I think we would find solutions if we set asire racism, religion, and blind nationalism.

mohammad gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

we should differentiate between religion and politics.

Johnhutc dfg   January 20th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

Whatever Libra, are you going to work for peace or just argue? Open your mind up a little. You really think that Israel wants to kill all the Palestinians or wipe them off the map as the President of Iran says about Israel? So what do you propose to settle this conflict? You really think that Israel doesn't want to make peace? I would like to know how you know this? I have given you the basics of what the Palestinians need to do. If they start this fist step, then the world will spell out what Israel needs to do. Quit rejecting peace and start working towards it. Quit blaming and start fixing!

Professor   January 20th, 2009 10:34 pm ET

Rascal,

I have voted for Obama.... have you?

mohammad gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 10:38 pm ET

peace with israel has to move through two basic requirements: withdrawal from the 1967 occupied territory, and threturn of palestinians.

Professor   January 20th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

God given promise that we are all equal.... There is no chosen people. Like the idiots we all know.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 10:41 pm ET

israel does not want people to know about the arab league peace initiative that demands the above requirements.
ie. Israel wants wars.

Libra   January 20th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

I guess Obama scared some people away today.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 10:44 pm ET

withdrawal from the 1967 territory and the return of palestinians to their lands = total normalization of relations with israel.
why do you hide this intiative from the world?

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 10:46 pm ET

I THINK OBAMA IS INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO SEE THE ARAB PEACE INTIATIVE AS THE ONLY VIABLE SOLUTION TO THE MIDDLE EAST CONFLICT.

Professor   January 20th, 2009 10:47 pm ET

Mohammed,

The Arab Peace initiative was not entertained by Israel and Bush becuase they were both hungry for war and blood.

Today is a start of a new era.... Thats why Israel rushed to do their agression on Gaza and finished it and pull out before Obama takes office.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 10:49 pm ET

As Arabs, we dont need miracles; all we need from the american president to use his logic and read about the conflict in independent sources and then study the arab initiative. thats all.

Professor   January 20th, 2009 10:50 pm ET

Cowards as usual....

Its the occupation stupids... :)

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 10:51 pm ET

Professor
they hide it from the world and when they discuss with westerners, they tell them that they are not against it and that hamas is the obstacle. see the twisting of the truth.

Libra   January 20th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

Obama is left-handed. Left-handed people are intelligent. Bush use to use his feet.

Peter   January 20th, 2009 10:53 pm ET

John, you are so right. However, we are dealing with a bunch of nitwit's and terrorist who don't want peace. Furthermore, most of them if not all don't even live in the territories. They're writing this BS from god knows where to satisfy there sick brain.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 10:54 pm ET

if they are not against it, why dont they accpt it. normalization is normalization and hams will abide by the decision of the arab league.

Professor   January 20th, 2009 10:55 pm ET

Mohammed,

Barak Husain Obama, is a smart man, very sharp, a lawmaker, and a son of a muslim.... he's got all the good characteristics of a good President. :)

His first mission that he is going to accomplish in the first few days is the shutting down of Guantanamo.... He wants to respect the Human Rights... I am sure he is not going to accept the Israeli Human Rights abuses either. We will see good things coming.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 10:56 pm ET

Peter
your comment shows that you are so used to blood that you are afraid from peace. you cant stand this notion of "sharing".

Libra   January 20th, 2009 10:59 pm ET

Professor, Mohammed,
Obama wants to get rid of Israeli lobbyists in Washington too.

Professor   January 20th, 2009 10:59 pm ET

Bush did not have a brain.... just like the idiots Zionist supporters on here....

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:00 pm ET

Professor

Zionists wanted to play the smart card of withdrawing their troops before his appointment. they are licking the american's ass again. this wont work because obama sees what is happening.

I.B. Wright   January 20th, 2009 11:01 pm ET

Ah comon' Peter don't be so hard on the jewish people. I'm sure not all of them are nitwits and terrorists.

Libra   January 20th, 2009 11:02 pm ET

Do you think Israel will still be thier friends if they do?

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:03 pm ET

The israely lobby has brought america hard and unprecedented attacks because of its suport to israel. In return, the us does not again gain anything from this support. this means that the lobb y is behind this coalition.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:05 pm ET

I WISH THEY DONT KILL HIM. THEY ARE GOOD AT KILLING.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:11 pm ET

THEY CANT ANSWER THE QUESTION? the initiative, if expoited correctly by our diplomats, will show to the world their real face. Right?

Keys   January 20th, 2009 11:12 pm ET

Peter, I'm pretty sure the armchair of terrorist Mohatemed Garbagi is in UAE, at a hedge fund office.

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 11:14 pm ET

Immitation Professor January 20th, 2009 2255 GMT

Barak Husain Obama, is a smart man, very sharp, a lawmaker, and a son of a muslim…. he’s got all the good characteristics of a good President. :)

His first mission that he is going to accomplish in the first few days is the shutting down of Guantanamo…. He wants to respect the Human Rights… I am sure he is not going to accept the Israeli Human Rights abuses either. We will see good things coming.

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Yea!-----– count the days!! Ha!

But when it does happen, he's simply going transfer these scumbags to another prison some where. They're already investigating options like Camp Pendleton and Ft. Levanworth. So how does that change anything??? He's simply going close Gitmo so he can say- "I closed Gitmo"!-- big deal, he's still got the same probem, just in a different place! He'll still have the military guarding the terrorists!

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:14 pm ET

Obama said it himself when he talked about the US losing its rank as a world leader and he knows he should do something about it.

Peter   January 20th, 2009 11:15 pm ET

I am all for Peace. But is you Guy's who will not give peace a chance, because you are trapped in the past. And by the way, read your own comment's of who insult's whom. If you dish it out then be man enough to take it. There are many good and intelligent comment's on this blog but every time i continue reading there is another stupid comment from you guy's. As i said before, you guy's are nothing but sewer rat's.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:16 pm ET

Keys January 20th, 2009 2312 GMT

Peter, I’m pretty sure the armchair of terrorist Mohatemed Garbagi is in UAE, at a hedge fund office.
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instead of attacking me, give us the rreason why you refuse peace with arabs?

Troy Davis   January 20th, 2009 11:17 pm ET

No it will not last until the E.U or the U.N elect a leader in the near future to have Isreal to sign a 7 year peace treaty an this leader may be the next Pope to bring peace to the world an this religous leader will be the Inticrist an it won't be long, there is things are going to happen when GOD pour out the wrath against the world we haven't seen nothing yet

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:20 pm ET

rOSCOE
But when it does happen, he’s simply going transfer these scumbags to another prison some where. They’re already investigating options like Camp Pendleton and Ft. Levanworth. So how does that change anything??? He’s simply going close Gitmo so he can say— “I closed Gitmo”!—- big deal, he’s still got the same probem, just in a different place! He’ll still have the military guarding the terrorists!
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you may be right, but what do you think about giving us back the land you took by force and let people return to where they belong,
this is the real question.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:23 pm ET

Peter January 20th, 2009 2315 GMT

I am all for Peace. But is you Guy’s who will not give peace a chance, because you are trapped in the past. And by the way, read your own comment’s of who insult’s whom. If you dish it out then be man enough to take it. There are many good and intelligent comment’s on this blog but every time i continue reading there is another stupid comment from you guy’s. As i said before, you guy’s are nothing but sewer rat’s.
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you are right, but you need to answer that question.

Peter   January 20th, 2009 11:25 pm ET

Mohammed,
What am i reading her, an intelligent comment. Why is it not possible to live all in peace on the same land regardless what the call it as long as there is peace.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:25 pm ET

Troy Davis
sorry but i did not get your point. could you explain?

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:28 pm ET

Peter
if your proposal (the one state solution) holds, yes why not?

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 11:31 pm ET

Libra January 20th, 2009 2259 GMT

Immitaion Professor, Mohammed Gharbagi
Obama wants to get rid of Israeli lobbyists in Washington too.

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Now that's intelligent!!! How do you suppose he can do that???

Anyone can lobby for anything that they want anytime that they want!!!

However, if the Arabs weren't too busy fighting among themselves and kiiling each other, if the Arab League wasn't so disorganized, dysfunctional, corrupt and useless as a governing body, the Arabs could possibly carry as much influence as AIPAC.

But no, they spend all their time bickering, fighting, complaining, whining and crying amongst themselves to put any effort toward influencing anyone in the US administration to support their cause.

it's imprison the terrorists, stupid!

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:32 pm ET

PETER
The real questios is whether you are ready foor the one state solution with all the necessary accessories (authority sharing, the return of the millions of expelled palestinians, wealth sharing, etc.........................................................................................). for us there are no problems.

Peter   January 20th, 2009 11:35 pm ET

Mohammed.
Now we are all making sense and should discuss now, how to achieve it. It is alway's sad that ordinary people have the least input of what there leaders do. But with your new attitude, providing it is sincere, there is now hope for a real dialoge. And you might have just changed my way of thinking about you.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:36 pm ET

You have two solutions:either the arab initiative or the one state solution. By hte way, they said in their meeting that the offer will not last forever.

Libra   January 20th, 2009 11:37 pm ET

@Roscoe

In a speech last November in Spartanburg, S.C., Obama said: "I have done more to take on lobbyists than any other candidate in this race ... I don't take a dime of their money, and when I am president, they won't find a job in my White House."

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 11:38 pm ET

mohammed gharbagi January 20th, 2009 2320 GMT

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you may be right, but what do you think about giving us back the land you took by force and let people return to where they belong,
this is the real question.
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Sorry, you're still confused-again!

I had nothing to do with you losing your land.

I believe it was because of Great Britain and the UN and the member nations of the UN.

You need to take it up with them!

In the meantime the terrorists need to stay in the prison!

Professor   January 20th, 2009 11:38 pm ET

Little Rascal,

Closing Guantanamo is the first step....

When they are transfered on US ground then there will be no more torture.... they will face normal trials and they will go free if innocent.

Thats what Obama wants to do.... and that is legal and fair.

And I will guarantee you that they will all be set free.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:40 pm ET

Peter
there will no dialogue between us until your government retreats from the 1967 territory and the palestinians return to their lands. this is package: peace and normalization.this offer is not subject to discussion. this is not my idea; this is the result of a long debate (what we call the red line). beleve me, no arab leader can give you more.

Libra   January 20th, 2009 11:41 pm ET

@mohammed

Israel doesn't want to go back to the 67 borders. See, it's about the land. They want more land.

It's the occupation

And they say they don;t understand why we arabs care too much about OUR land.

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:46 pm ET

Roscoe

you dont seem to understand. the two conditions are going to be met whether you like it or not. your refusal will mean your wiping from the map. sorry to make you afraid, but you should be. see how many muslims surround you and see how tiny is your country and see the performance of your idf recently.
believe me my friend that if i were you, i would not be able to sleep cause i know whats coming. sorry again but this isthe truth. you dont want peace .

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:48 pm ET

libra
today im using their tactics; thats why theyr too aggressive.

Libra   January 20th, 2009 11:52 pm ET

Barack HUSSEIN Obama

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:52 pm ET

zionist base their dream on expansion; now they see that they cant get more land and that they may have to give land and this makes them nervous.
By the way te people who discuss withyou here are moderate i want you to discuss with another category. in this latter case, im sure you l pea in your pants
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhha

Peter   January 20th, 2009 11:53 pm ET

Oh, the number one terrorist is back. Welcome back Professor, we missed you. How many cases of beer did you buy today on foodstamp's ? This is going to be a long night until he passes out.

Roscoe   January 20th, 2009 11:54 pm ET

Immitaion Professor January 20th, 2009 2338 GMT

Little Rascal,

Closing Guantanamo is the first step….

When they are transfered on US ground then there will be no more torture…. they will face normal trials and they will go free if innocent.

Thats what Obama wants to do…. and that is legal and fair.

And I will guarantee you that they will all be set free.

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You're Delusional!!!!

There's already been a group of prisoners ordered by the US courts to be set free, 10 or 12 Uyghurs. The Uyguhrs even had sponors in the US wiling to accept them into their homes. But courts blocked their release into the US on the grounds that they do not meet the laws governing immigration to the US. No other county is willing to accept them, except China, who is believed to want to execute them. So, they still sit in Gitmo!

Like I said before, the wheels are already in motion by Obama and his team to find alternative prison locations specifically for these clowns!

They're not going anywhere anytime soon except may to another prison!

It's imprison the terrorists, stupid!

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:55 pm ET

may be zionists will say he has the same name as saddam; that s why we should give him to the kurds and elmalki to hang him.lol

mohammed gharbawi   January 20th, 2009 11:59 pm ET

Roscoe
we dont care about islamic extremists too. why are you telling us this?
BUT AS PROFESSOR SAID? IF THEY INNOCENT? THEY SHOULD BE SET FREE. IS THIS WRONG?Enlighten us since you are a demonnnnnnnnnnnnnncracy.

Roscoe   January 21st, 2009 12:02 am ET

mohammed gharbagi January 20th, 2009 2346 GMT

Roscoe

you dont seem to understand. the two conditions are going to be met whether you like it or not. your refusal will mean your wiping from the map. sorry to make you afraid, but you should be. see how many muslims surround you and see how tiny is your country and see the performance of your idf recently.
believe me my friend that if i were you, i would not be able to sleep cause i know whats coming. sorry again but this isthe truth. you dont want peace .

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What are you babbling about now????

I don't live in your land or anywhere near your land!

You're simply confused!

People like you will continue forever to live in filth and squallor because you choose to. If you actually were to move up in life and live in peace, you'd still be a terrorist and you'd still be unhappy because that's simply how you are.

So get over it!

It's imprison the terroristsa stupid!

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 12:04 am ET

professor and libra
i read apolitical caricature that is circulating in the internet ; its says the following:

A little jew holding the flag of israel says to a little palestinian," my father told me that you are terrorists". the little palestinian replied saying," my father did not tell me anything because your father killed him before i was born".

I.B. Wright   January 21st, 2009 12:06 am ET

Roscoe- I don't understand. You say the US courts ordered the release of 10-12 Uyghurs so obviously were cleared of any wrongdoing. Yet it sounds to me you are happy to see them remain in prison?? Why?

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 12:07 am ET

Roscoe
dont be so hard on yourself. your nuke wont help you.

Libra   January 21st, 2009 12:08 am ET

@mohammed
how sad indeed

Peter   January 21st, 2009 12:10 am ET

PROFESSOR, WHERE ARE YOU ???????????
Cant get the bottle open??????????????????

Roscoe   January 21st, 2009 12:10 am ET

mohammed gharbagi January 20th, 2009 2359 GMT

Roscoe
we dont care about islamic extremists too. why are you telling us this?
BUT AS PROFESSOR SAID? IF THEY INNOCENT? THEY SHOULD BE SET FREE. IS THIS WRONG?Enlighten us since you are a demonnnnnnnnnnnnnncracy.

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Did you simply not undersatand my post????

Here, I'll try to explain like I would explain to a 5year old! Maybe you'll understand:

The US Courts have decided that some are innocent and should be set free!

They do not meet the immigration requirements to live in the US.

No one will accept them. No country other than China will accept them.

The prisoners are Chinese. The US believes that the Chinese will execute them if they are turned over to China.

So, they're still in Gitmo!

Understand!

It's imprison the terrorists stupid!

Peter   January 21st, 2009 12:11 am ET

Mohammed,
Do you need my adress.
Your silver bullet is waiting.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 12:13 am ET

Libra
you surely heard about the doctor who lost his daughters because of an israeli airstrike. the palestinian doctor used to work with them ; he was considered as a friend. you know, when he was crying in the hospital, one israeli lady said to him,' how do we know that you dont hide arms in your home?".
the bottom line: zionists dont have friends.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 12:17 am ET

rascal
you dont seem to understand. in all your postings, you try to link us to islamis extremism. this will never work stupid.
its the occupation........................ stupid.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 12:19 am ET

Peter January 21st, 2009 011 GMT

Mohammed,
Do you need my adress.
Your silver bullet is waiting.
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no i dont because we will wipe the whole stuff at once.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 12:21 am ET

people in europe destroyed the wall and israel built one.

its the occupation...stupid.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 12:24 am ET

Roscoe
by the way, can you give some historical information about Hertzel, the sending of the two rabiis to jerusalem, samuel, Balfour, etc...........

its the occupation stupid.

Professor   January 21st, 2009 12:24 am ET

Little Rascal,

I can teach you some basic social interactions.... get on your knees.

Its the occupation stupid.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 12:25 am ET

MOHAMMED

CHICKEN TERRORIST
CHICKEN TERRORIST
CHICKEN TERRORIST

OH, WHERE IS THE WIFE.
COME COME, I NEED TO HIDE

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 12:28 am ET

i gotta run professor
see you tomorrow inshaa llah

peter the coward and rascal the stupid rascal

go and read history; you are pathetic; victory will be ours
Rira bien qui rira le dernier.

Professor   January 21st, 2009 12:29 am ET

Nazi Peter,

Yeah i cannot get that bottle open.... Some one told me you have a bottle opener.... Get on your knees and bend over.

Roscoe   January 21st, 2009 12:30 am ET

mohammed gharbagi January 21st, 2009 017 GMT

rascal
you dont seem to understand. in all your postings, you try to link us to islamis extremism. this will never work stupid.
its the occupation…………………… stupid.

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mohammed gharbagi, Immitation Professor

You support and assistance from the new US administration has arrived!!!

He's already voiced is unilateral support for your cause!!

Obama, asked by the New York Times whether Israel should negotiate with Hamas in Gaza, he replied, “I don't think any country would find it acceptable to have missiles raining down on the heads of their citizens. The first job of any nation state is to protect its citizens. If somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I'm going to do everything in my power to stop that. And I would expect Israelis to do the same thing. In terms of negotiations with Hamas, it is very hard to negotiate with a group that is not representative of a nation state, does not recognize your right to exist, has consistently used terror as a weapon, and is deeply influenced by other countries. I think that Hamas leadership will have to make a decision at some point as to whether it is a serious political party seeking to represent the aspirations of the Palestinian people. And, as a consequence, willing to recognize Israel's right to exist and renounce violence as a tool to achieve its aims, Or whether it wants to continue to operate as a terrorist organization. Until that point, it's hard for Israel, to negotiate with a country that, or with a group that doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist."

It's imprison the terrorists, stupid!!

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 12:30 am ET

Peter
im coming ; im just trying to buy an oven for you buddy.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 12:31 am ET

Mohammmed,
RUN< RUN< RUN.
you need the practise. Do you know the way to the sea

Akiva Heifetz   January 21st, 2009 12:31 am ET

CNN this girl war the better analyst then the old guy with glases ... she did listen to obama :) ... the other guy was crap .. she as right obama did say he will fight against all terrorists and he did never say he will fight against muslim terrorists ... as the other guy thoght .... all or only muslim is a differnce ... the old man wigh lases should better go to sleep ... make this girl analist to your main analist ... she listen better :)

Professor   January 21st, 2009 12:33 am ET

Good night Mohammed.... I am going too.... need to grab dinner. Will be back later.... maybe.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 12:34 am ET

Rascal
if obama failed to link between rocket launching and gaza siege, then good for him. he wii deserve aname said about him by a person somewhere. lol

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 12:35 am ET

ok prof
let the bastard talk to each other lol.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 12:36 am ET

Mohammed
I am waiting, bring your buddy with you. (The Professor) And don't worry i have more than one silver bullet.

Professor   January 21st, 2009 12:38 am ET

Little Rascal and Nazi Peter,

I think its past your bed time kiddos.... Are you both still on your knees?

Its the occupation stupid.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 12:38 am ET

Number one and number two terrorist are leaving to go to another blog. They cant take the heat.

Roscoe   January 21st, 2009 12:39 am ET

mohammed gharbawi January 21st, 2009 021 GMT

people in europe destroyed the wall and israel built one.

its the occupation…stupid.
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Don't forget about the wall your Egyptian brothers built also. It seems like the Israelis saw how well that one was working ad decided it could work in the West Bank also!!

Professor   January 21st, 2009 12:44 am ET

Nazi Peter,

You are not a challenge man.... you have no knowledge to be mentioned of at all.... and you are not worth wasting any time on at all either.

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 12:46 am ET

Another War, Another Defeat

The Gaza offensive has succeeded in punishing the Palestinians but not in making Israel more secure.

John J. Mearsheimer, The American Conservative, January 26, 2009

Israelis and their American supporters claim that Israel learned its lessons well from the disastrous 2006 Lebanon war and has devised a winning strategy for the present war against Hamas. Of course, when a ceasefire comes, Israel will declare victory. Don’t believe it. Israel has foolishly started another war it cannot win.

The campaign in Gaza is said to have two objectives: 1) to put an end to the rockets and mortars that Palestinians have been firing into southern Israel since it withdrew from Gaza in August 2005; 2) to restore Israel’s deterrent, which was said to be diminished by the Lebanon fiasco, by Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza, and by its inability to halt Iran’s nuclear program.

But these are not the real goals of Operation Cast Lead. The actual purpose is connected to Israel’s long-term vision of how it intends to live with millions of Palestinians in its midst. It is part of a broader strategic goal: the creation of a “Greater Israel.” Specifically, Israel’s leaders remain determined to control all of what used to be known as Mandate Palestine, which includes Gaza and the West Bank. The Palestinians would have limited autonomy in a handful of disconnected and economically crippled enclaves, one of which is Gaza. Israel would control the borders around them, movement between them, the air above and the water below them.

http://www.amconmag.com/print.html?Id=AmConservative-2009jan26-00006

Professor   January 21st, 2009 12:47 am ET

Its the occupation stupids.... Get my drift?

Don't waste your time to come up with anything else.

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 12:51 am ET

Israel recruits 'army of bloggers' to combat anti-Zionist Web sites

The Immigrant Absorption Ministry announced on Sunday it was setting up an "army of bloggers," to be made up of Israelis who speak a second language, to represent Israel in "anti-Zionist blogs" in English, French, Spanish and German.

is this not an indication that Israel war in Gaza was a disaster for Israel..

Professor   January 21st, 2009 12:53 am ET

Good article Solomon.

These idiots who call Israel Democray they do not know that Palestinians living in Israel cannot run for elections.... How can a citizen of a country that consider itself a democracy not be allowed to run for elections? This is a Racist State and not a democracy.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 12:53 am ET

Sorry Professor,
No, we don't get it. Because we are educated.
What are you ?
Beside calling yourself Professor or supreme terrorist leader.

Professor   January 21st, 2009 12:56 am ET

Nazi Peter,

I see that the bottle still hanging out from your behind.... You cannot get it open or what?

Its the occupation stupid.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 12:57 am ET

Professor we love you. Where else on the internet can anyone find someone as stupid as you who want's to be spanked all day.

Professor   January 21st, 2009 12:59 am ET

You devil Nazi Peter,

You are just enjoying the bottle eh?

Its the occupation stupid.

Bill   January 21st, 2009 1:02 am ET

Hamas really got it's butt kicked. All sane people know that. The only delusional people that think Hamas was anything but a loser are Arabs/Muslims and terrorist supporters. The Germans and the Japanese survived WW2, but they didn't win. All Hamas did was to hide behind women and children long enough to survive the Israeli defense against Palestinian terrorist aggression. It was not Israel's stated intention to eradicate Hamas. If the Palestinian people have the smallest bit of sense (doubtful) they will get rid of Hamas themselves. Hamas has brought nothing but misery, disgrace, poverty, and terrorism to the Palestinian people.

Israel has won every war the Islamic terrorists and Arabs have started, including Lebanon. Arabs/Muslims are so deluded that they "claim" victory by surviving. LOL. They are fooling nobody.

Israel's losses were minimal. Hamas losses were severe. The Islamic terrorists of Hamas have lost credibility for their utter cowardice and ineffectiveness in battle, not to mention tons of war crimes.

Now that the world is coming together to ensure the Islamic terrorists in Gaza can't rearm, Hamas becomes just another joke in the footnotes of terrorism. Just like Lebanon, Hamas will become irrelevant like Hizbollah. Now that Hizbollah knows that any future terrorist aggression will be met with the destruction of Lebanon, they are too afraid to attack again.

Congratulations Israel and the IDF for a great, heroic victory over the forces of Islamic evil!

Islam Is lame.

cubfan   January 21st, 2009 1:02 am ET

Ezekiel 25:17: The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the Valley of Darkness; for he is truly his brother’s keeper, and the finder of lost children. And, I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers! And, you will know my name is The Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!

The Lord struck down Hamas with great vengeance and Hamas lost this war.

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 1:04 am ET

Israel’s war crimes have been well documented by many international human rights organizations including Human Right Watch, Amnesty International, International Red Cross and the United Nations (UN). They include the bombing of UN-run schools, UN headquarters, mosques, hospitals, universities, ambulances, and market places which have resulted in the deaths of 1400 Palestinians and the injury of 6000, half of whom are children and women..

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 1:11 am ET

By NOEL IGNATIEV

Zionism as a political movement developed in the late 19th century. Its founder, Theodore Herzl, was influenced by two phenomena: the extent of French anti-Semitism revealed by the Dreyfus Trial, and nationalist ideals then popular in Europe. Herzl held that Jews cannot be assimilated by the nations in which they live, and that the only solution to the "Jewish question" was the formation of a "Jewish state" in which all the Jews would come together. The early Zionists contemplated as the site of the future state Argentina or Uganda, among other locales. Herzl favored Palestine, because, although an agnostic, he wanted to make use of the custom, widespread among Jewish mystics, of going on pilgrimages to the "holy land" and establishing religious communities there.

In 1868, there were 13,000 Jews in Palestine, out of an estimated population of 400,000. The majority were religious pilgrims supported by charity from overseas. They encountered no opposition from the Muslims, and their presence led to no clashes with the Arab population, whether Muslim or Christian.

In 1882, Baron Rothschild, combining philanthropy and investment, began to bring Jewish settlers from Eastern Europe to build a plantation system along the model the French used in Algeria. They spoke Yiddish, Arabic, Persian, and Georgian. Significantly, Hebrew was not among the languages spoken. The outcome of Rothschild's experiment was predictable: Jews managed the land, while Arabs worked it. This was not the result the Zionists had in mind; a Jewish society could not be based on Arab labor. Consequently, they began to encourage the immigration of Jews to work in agriculture, industry, and transport.

In 1917 British Foreign Minister Lord Balfour, seeking support for Britain's efforts in World War I, issued his famous declaration expressing sympathy with efforts to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The Zionists immediately seized upon this statement, which they interpreted to mean support for a Jewish state. At the time of Balfour's declaration, Jews comprised less than 10% of the population and owned 2.5% of the land of Palestine.

The problem of building a Jewish society among an overwhelming Arab majority came to be known as the "conquest of land and labor." Land, once acquired, had to remain in Jewish hands. The other half of this project, known as Labor Zionism, called for the exclusive use of Jewish labor on the land acquired by the Jews in Palestine. The Labor Zionists maintained this dual exclusionism (or apartheid, as we would now call it) in order to build up purely Jewish institutions.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 1:13 am ET

You Devil Professor.
Need some more spanking. Just hang around. Can you feel it. Your sorry ass must be fire red by now. FYI, i am neither Nazi nor German.
But thanks for the compliment.

Bill   January 21st, 2009 1:18 am ET

If Israel's "war crimes" are that well documented, Israel will be prosecuted after the investigations. If they are just more hype from people who don't know the rules of war, like Muslims, then Israel has nothing to worry about.

Hamas war crimes are undeniable (unless you are a terrorist supporter and/or a Muslim):

1. Targeting Israeli Civilians.
2. Using crowded neighborhoods to launch attacks.
3. Using mosques and hospitals to store weapons and ammunition.
4. Using mosques and hospitals to launch attacks.
5. Using civilians as human shields.

The investigation into Hamas war crimes should take about an hour.

GUILTY

Remember Islam Is lame.

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 1:19 am ET

Moshe Dayan, former Defense Minister, stated in a famous speech before students at the Israeli Institute of Technology in Haifa .

Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahial arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population (Ha'aretz, April 4, 1969,

It is a mistake to draw a moral line between Israel and the Occupied Territories; it is all occupied territory. The 1967 war, as a result of which Israel conquered and occupied East Jerusalem, the West Bank of the Jordan River, and the Sinai Peninsula, was a continuation of the process that began in 1948.

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 1:35 am ET

Unlike many countries, including the United States, the Israeli state does not belong, even in principle, to those who reside within its borders, but is defined as the state of the Jewish people, wherever they may be. That peculiar definition is one reason why the state has to this day failed to produce a written constitution, define its borders, or even declare the existence of an Israeli nationality. Moreover, in this "outpost of democracy," no party that opposes the existence of the Jewish state is permitted to take part in elections. It is as if the United States were to declare itself a Christian state, define "Christian" not by religious belief but by descent, and then pass a "gag law" prohibiting public discussion of the issue.

Bill   January 21st, 2009 2:07 am ET

From Newsweek -

One of the most notorious incidents during the war was the Jan. 15 shelling of the Palestinian Red Crescent Society buildings in the downtown Tal-al Hawa part of Gaza City, followed by a shell hitting their Al Quds Hospital next door; the subsequent fire forced all 500 patients to be evacuated. Asked if there were any militants firing from the hospital or the Red Crescent buildings, hospital director general Dr. Khalid Judah chose his words carefully. "I am not able to say if anyone was using the PRCS buildings [the two Palestine Red Crescent Society buildings adjacent to the hospital], but I know for a fact that no one was using the hospital." In the Tal-al Hawa neighborhood nearby, however, Talal Safadi, an official in the leftist Palestinian People's Party, said that resistance fighters were firing from positions all around the hospital. He shrugged that off, having a bigger beef with Hamas. "They failed to win the battle." Or as his fellow PPP official, Walid al Awad, put it: "It was a mistake to give Israel the excuse to come in."

Perhaps a doctor at Shifa Hospital summed it up best. "Hamas doesn't care about anything," he said. Today Hamas threw a victory parade. A few hundred young men with green flags marched through the middle of Gaza City, one of them riding on a cart at the head of the procession and holding aloft a chunk of metal, purportedly from an Israeli tank. No one lined the streets to cheer them on. No one poured out from his or her home to join the parade. Most Hamas critics in Gaza are afraid to openly say what they think, but sometimes actions (or the absence of them) speak louder than words.

Remember Islam Is lame.

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 2:21 am ET

. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti – Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

Bill   January 21st, 2009 2:23 am ET

Jews have existed on the land for thousands of years, long before your prophet Mohammed was defiling 9 year old girls. In 1967 Israel was attacked, again, by several Arab/Muslim states. As usual, Israel kicked their butts and they lost Gaza and the West Bank. Israel has no obligation to give back land that it won when it was attacked by several Arab countries. You attacked, you fought, you lost (as usual), the end.

Israel tried to be nice and give Gaza back to the Palestinians. They raped the land, destroying everything good that was there. They even dug up sewer pipes to make Kassam rockets to fire at Israeli civilians! Then those idiots elected an Islamic terrorist government to try to wipe out Israel. LOL.

As usual, Israel defended itself and kicked the Arab/Muslim terrorist's butts.

As far as I'm concerned, the Palestinians have no right to be on Israeli land. The Palestinian homeland is Jordan. I know that even the Jordanians won't take them, as Palestinians are pariahs even amongst their own "brothers".

The Palestinians have proven themselves to be violent, criminal, ignorant, intolerant, and inept terrorists. Israel should deport all Palestinians from Israeli land and be done with them. They lost the land, they are incapable of living iin peace, now its time for them to move on.

Giving more land to Palestinians would just create another beggars paradise like Gaza. Imagine a real Palestinian state; you'd be able to see the flames from space.

Remember Islam Is lame.

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 2:32 am ET

“It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.”

Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 2:35 am ET

“Hitler’s legal power was based upon the ‘Enabling Act’, which was passed quite legally by the Reichstag and which allowed the Fuehrer and his representatives, in plain language, to be what they wanted, or in legal language, to issue regulations having the force of law. Exactly the same type of act was passed by the Knesset [Israeli’s Parliament] immediately after the 1967 conquest granting the Israeli governor and his representatives the power of Hitler, which they use in Hitlerian manner.”

Dr. Israel Shahak,

Bill   January 21st, 2009 2:37 am ET

By always attacking Israel and always losing, the Arabs have expropriated their own lands. Israel didn't have to do anything except defend itself. So, whether or not Israel was going to steal the land and kick the Arabs out is now a moot point. It is Israel's land now.

You attacked, you fought, you lost, the end.

Remember Islam Is lame.

Bill   January 21st, 2009 2:46 am ET

It's odd that Islamic terrorist supporters are bent on comparing Israel with the Nazi's. I guess they have a very limited imagination. They like to say that Israel is the aggressor when it is defending itself. They like to say that Israel lost a war when they clearly won. They call Israel the occupier when it is the Arabs who are occupying Israeli land. It;s like some perverse reverse psychology.

Muslims have been lying to themselves and to the world for so long, I believe they have lost track of what the truth really is.

It was the Arabs that were in league with the Nazis for the extermination of the Jews. Today, it is the Islamic terrorists like Hamas who still seek genocide against the Jews. The Jews don't seek genocide against anyone. Israel is run by the rule of law. Arab and Muslim countries are ruled by the gun.

If anybody is Naza-like, it is clearly the Arabs/Muslims.

Remember Islam Is lame.

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 3:00 am ET

Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England
belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and
in-human to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in
Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct.
The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war.

Mahatma ghandi

I am a strong believer that what was taken by force will only return with force.Israel will not survive this century.

Nona   January 21st, 2009 3:06 am ET

Bill –

You forgot the part about how both Hamas and the Nazis scapegoat the Jews for all their problems ...

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 3:14 am ET

The IDF has also taken preliminary steps to defend military officers against legal charges abroad stemming from their involvement in Operation Cast Lead. The full names of battalion commanders involved in the fighting will be censored to prevent Israeli and international left-wing activists from attempting to try them for war crimes. The names of more senior officers cannot be redacted as their involvement and names have been reported by many media outlets.
Haaritz..

Jewish leaders and army officers will soon be tried as war criminals or at best are under the threat of being arrested every where they go.

Nona   January 21st, 2009 3:19 am ET

"How can people struggle for their nation when most o fhtem do not know themeaning of the word? The people are in need of a 'myth' to fill their consciousness and imagination ..."

– Arab activiist Musa Alami, "The Lessons of Palestine," The Middle East Journal, October 1949

Nona   January 21st, 2009 3:19 am ET

"How can people struggle for their nation when most of them do not know the meaning of the word? The people are in need of a 'myth' to fill their consciousness and imagination ..."

– Arab activiist Musa Alami, "The Lessons of Palestine," The Middle East Journal, October 1949

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 3:25 am ET

Jewish history has been tragic to the Jews and no less tragic to the neighboring nations who have suffered them. Our major vice of old as of today is parasitism. We are a people of vultures living on the labor and good fortune of the rest of the world." -

Samuel Roth, Jews Must Live.

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 3:28 am ET

The Jews have a disproportionate number of mental defectives, idiots, and imbeciles." -
Dr. Maurice Fishburg.

Palestine for ever

be back.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 3:32 am ET

I thought, early on, that this blog was about finding a pathway to peace. I was wrong. That's what I get for being an artsy person and not a political person. But, I wanted to dig deeper. It's not about peace at all. Ask the people being exterminated Darfur if that's about peaceful solutions and compromise. This is about destroying Israel, gaining the world's sympathy, and going after the next target. Unfortunately, Israel and the other countires are a little harder to wipe off the map. Hey Professor, my P.C.B. Think about it.

Nona   January 21st, 2009 3:34 am ET

Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees ... while it is we who made them leave. We brought disaster upon Arab refugees by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave. We have rendered them dispossessed. We have accustomed them to begging. We have participated in lowering their moral and social level. Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon men, women and children - all this in the service of political purposes."

– Khaled Al-Azm (Syria's Prime Minister after the 1948 war), Memoirs

Nona   January 21st, 2009 3:35 am ET

Hi GLeigh!

Well said!

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 3:39 am ET

I just hope, at some point, that those who hate so much will really think and feel. At some point regain humanity. If not, they are already dead anyway. Bodies are just bodies.

Nona   January 21st, 2009 3:42 am ET

Me too.

The way to stop the bloodshed is to want peace. It's that simple.

I.B. Wright   January 21st, 2009 3:42 am ET

GLeigh- This about destroying Israel? Zatso? So the Palestinians marched into Israel, killed thousands of women and children before the world's sympathy became too unbearable and stopped. What planet do you live on?

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 3:42 am ET

Well Nona – I'm the stupid rock here. Always have been. I sure can type fast though. But I do know right, wrong, creative and destructive. Basics. That's why I don't watch all the videos and try to read all the articles. It would confuse me. This is new. I'm glad for the more well read on this subject. Ask me about art, science, or the English language. Or raising rabbits. I grew up in a very rural area.

Nona   January 21st, 2009 3:48 am ET

You are not stupid, GLeigh.

Besides, the only intelligence required here is enough basic sense and ethical grounding to choose peace with your neighbors instead of destroying your neighbors. If you have differences, put down the guns and rockets and talk and develop a solution.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 3:49 am ET

L.B. – get real. We are all adults here.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 3:52 am ET

Nona – That would defeat the goal. How many men in your family would put their weapons in the populated areas? Among the women and kids to begin with? None that I know of. It's about the ultimate victory and all that jazz. The wiping Israel off the map thingy. Then whatever from there.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 3:56 am ET

I hope no one thinks I'm a paid blogger. That would just be too sad really. This is my first one. I had to leave the internet to reset the conversation at first. Trial and error. Click the title. They should tell you that somewhere. I've been accused of worse though. Once of chanting. I tend to do okay on tests. My friend told me. I was shocked. People just shock the fool out of me. I am stupid.

Nona   January 21st, 2009 3:59 am ET

Ignore him, GLeigh.

IB got his Mideast history lessons from the KKK. Obviously, he still hasn't read the Hamas charter. I've yet to see facts from him. Just plain old-fashioned Jew hating. In his favor, tho, he claims to want peace.

You're right about the men in my family. The women too, for that matter. But then, my folks believe in an honest day's work, telling the truth too, and loving your neighbor.

I.B. Wright   January 21st, 2009 4:00 am ET

GLeigh- Sweeet..I didn't realize this was an adult site. Hope I didn't disturb you two. Carry on.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 4:07 am ET

The world is changing. Those basics are being lost. Every generation must feel the same. But, I think it's just me. In ways, in strong ways, they are getting better. Clearer.

I.B. Wright   January 21st, 2009 4:10 am ET

Nona- I have to be honest- I don't know that much about history. Is that where you got all your facts and became so smart -the KKK school of history? I should look into it I guess.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 4:10 am ET

I.B. – I really want to know more about your worldly compassion. Tell me about Darfur. That really is the worst thing going on, for a long time. You have written and done to help them?

Nona   January 21st, 2009 4:11 am ET

I don't think those basics are being lost. I think some parts of the world do not have Judeo-Christian values, and as the world gets smaller, we get a more vivid notion of how different those values are.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 4:14 am ET

I really am not certain that President Obama realized the depth of this when he ran for President. I told my hubby, before we married, that if he planned to go into politics, leave me out. I would not go there. I'm more a spiritual person. I don't think until after being elected he understood the terror deal.

I.B. Wright   January 21st, 2009 4:14 am ET

Well I guess I'll leave you two enlightened sweethearts alone so I can read up on that KKK school you recommended Nona. I want to know all the facts so I can be a smart as# like you. Cya.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 4:18 am ET

Good and evil have always been. It's just a new version. You feel sorry for them. I felt guilty having fun over the weekend. And today honestly. But it really is creepy too. Chilling is a good word.

Nona   January 21st, 2009 4:19 am ET

Well, you might be right. I don't think President Obama ran for the office to negotiate peace in the ME, to tell you the truth, but I hope he can at least bring both sides closer together. I liked what he said today:

"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus — and non-believers. We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of this Earth ... we cannot help but believe that the old hatreds shall someday pass; that the lines of tribe shall soon dissolve; that as the world grows smaller, our common humanity shall reveal itself ...

To the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect. To those leaders around the globe who seek to sow conflict, or blame their society's ills on the West — know that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy. To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist."

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 4:23 am ET

LB is running off. Why would that be?

I.B. Wright   January 21st, 2009 4:24 am ET

GLeigh- What do you want to know? My worldly compassion consists of peace, period. This is not a Darfur blog but suffice to say I don't like to see innocent people slaughtered anywhere in the world including Darfur, Palestine, Israel, Timbuktu. Contrary to what Nona knows (or more accurately doesn't) I'm not really a jew- hater but I've been called much worse; I could easily become one though if I keep listening to her and her friends.

Nona   January 21st, 2009 4:24 am ET

Who?

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 4:26 am ET

I hope so. I think the human race will drag on a bit. As I get older, it matters less. We might match dinosaurs.

I.B. Wright   January 21st, 2009 4:27 am ET

GLeigh- Because he bored, OK? BYE.

Nona   January 21st, 2009 4:29 am ET

I love when people say they're going to hate Jews because of me when they don't even know what my religion is. Typical scapegoating used by the ignorant.

IB, I do think you want peace, but when you dispute that Hamas wants to wipe Israel off the map, you reveal your ignorance. Even Hamas doesn't deny it.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 4:31 am ET

Dinosaurs had tiny brains. It was about who consumed whom. Seems to me if we can get to the moon, we should be in a new phase. I keep getting, have a long time, a "Logitech" pop-up despite my firewall. It's near the end scroll and I have to click and close it every time. Does anyone know how to close it forever?

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 4:35 am ET

LB left. Typical. Good fusses are hard to find.

Nona   January 21st, 2009 4:38 am ET

Well, he might as well. His terrorist buds aren't around to teach and protect him from us mean girls.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 4:41 am ET

IB – sorry forgot and don't have on my reading glasses. How can "men" like that defend themselves really.

Nona   January 21st, 2009 4:42 am ET

Gleigh, do you have a good antispyware program? That will help with the pop ups.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 4:45 am ET

Never been mean in my life. My friends had to defend me or I had to tell them not to do it. I do ask. I do want truth. Truth seems mean to people. Who is really trying to destroy someone else but being nice. That is mean. Sadly. I guess the squeeky wheel gets the grease and the silent ones who do the work or suffer continue to suffer.

Nona   January 21st, 2009 4:49 am ET

Well, at least you've found some answers here, which is why you came in the first place. Maybe not the answers you wanted or expected, but at least some answers?

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 4:53 am ET

Well the peace is far off or never. I drive kiddies to school tomorrow, my son and his friend. It's quiet here. I like quiet. It means no guys are shooting other guys, or us. Nona – I do a good spyware program. Iron really. This is my only pop-up. I do have a teen and he goes places that he shouldn't which I've glanced. Since he's a good guy, I just glance often and he leaves so we leave it alone. Pick your battles. His friends are the same and here quite a bit. Thanks for asking. I'm getting really bad about focusing on myself and not reading or listening very closely to people who agree with me. I read super closely those who don't. That should be reversed. Sorry.

Nona   January 21st, 2009 4:56 am ET

No need to apologize.

I'm not a tekkie so I don't know what else to tell you about the pop ups.

And you're right about picking your battles. I completely agree.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 4:57 am ET

I'm so opposite the hate, kill, and conquer thing that it is beginning to fascinate me. I like everyone and read all the religions. I figure I'll learn something. But the other side fascinates me. I realized that today.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 5:03 am ET

I've been told a few times. I question about everything, even the other side. How silly is that? I laughed. I do realize it though. Took awhile.

Nona   January 21st, 2009 5:09 am ET

Wow. Asking quesions. How silly.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 5:10 am ET

It does come down to who wants good hospitals for the children when they get hurt? Who builds and who lets others do it for them and who destroys. Three categories. Big surprise. Nature is in threes. So we basically watch and find out. Words can be deceptive.

Nona   January 21st, 2009 5:10 am ET

Hey – I gotta take this call. I'll catch up with ya later, GLeigh! It's good to see you!

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 5:14 am ET

So if people want to know, which I think they take the blue and not the red pill sometimes, the Matrix, who builds, who lets others do it for them, and who destroys. Pick one of the three. Hard truth time. Find out who you are.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 5:16 am ET

Night Nona. I need to crash. Just thinking. God bless and keep you safe.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 5:18 am ET

Whatever you choose to call him. As long as it's good. Some names aren't. Pick a creator.

Debs   January 21st, 2009 5:26 am ET

Hey Nona,

Does Beny and Dan still comment. Cant seem to find them anymore??

Linda   January 21st, 2009 7:14 am ET

HI ALL!
gleigh,
just wanted you to know that I just checked my mail, so I mailed you back.

benyemen   January 21st, 2009 8:00 am ET

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNINGGGGGGGGGGG PALESTINE

benyemen   January 21st, 2009 8:16 am ET

HELLO HALA GORANI WHAT'S UP, YOU HAVE NOTHING NEW TO POST????????

GET THIS NEWS IT MAYBE NICE TO POST AND SEE THE COMMENTS COMING YOUR WAY....

AS PER NEAR THE DECISION MAKERS SOURCES (WHO DOESN'T WANT HIS NAME TO BE DISCLOSED) IN PALESTINE THEY WILL ANNOUCE TODAY THEIR SURRENDER TO THE GREAT POWER OF THE ZIONIST ENTITY (THE ABOVE THE LAW STATE) THE REPUBLIC OF THE UNTOUCHABLES. AND THE PALESTINIANS OF GAZA WILL MOVE TO THE PART OF SINAI WHICH WHITE TENTS HAVE BEEN ERECTED BY THE EGYPTIAN MILITARY AS THEIR HOME LAND UNDER EGYPT GOVERNMENT RULE. AND THE PALESTINIANS IN THE WEST BANK WILL MOVE TO PALESTIANS INFESTED JORDAN TO JOIN THEIR BROTHERS THERE.

AND THE UNTOUCHABLES ARE WARNING THE PALESTINIANS TO NOT EVEN THINK OF INTIFADA THERE IN THEIR NEW HOME LANDS BECAUSE THOSE GOVERNMENTS THERE ARE NOT MERCIFUL AS THE UNTOUCHABLES GOVERNMENT. THEY WILL WIPE THEM OUT AND FINISH THE PALESTINIAN RACE FOR GOOD FROM THIS EARTH.

END OF NEWS

Professor   January 21st, 2009 8:53 am ET

I am impressed even when i am not on here... the Zioinst Terrorist Cell keeps attacking me....

I am honored to have that influence on you....

If you have a little brain on you.... After reading all the articles I posted for you earlier... you would go commit suicide.

Professor   January 21st, 2009 9:45 am ET

Israel want to create a new paradigm where killing a child called self defence and killing an occupation soldier called terrorism...

It has not succeeded yet among free thinkers worldwide.... and we saw a reflection of that on all the TV channels worldwide.

Except for the few puppits Zionist supporters who can be of any religion... There are Zionist Jews, Zionist Christians and Zionist Muslims. Anyone who lend a hand regardless of his or her religion to the establishment of a Racist Zionist State is a Zionist.

Get my drift Nona and GLeigh and the rest of the terrorist cell?

Its the occupaton stupid.

benyemen   January 21st, 2009 9:54 am ET

HI PROF

DO YOU KNOW THAT OSAMA OH....OBAMA CAN NOT CALL A ZIONIST A ZIONIST ......HE WILL BE IMPEACHED!!!!!! OR MAYBE ASSASINATED.

THAT MEANS THIS ZIONISTS ORGANISATION IS SOME HOW BUILT LIKE A MAFIA TYPE. (THE UNTOUCHABLES).

benyemen   January 21st, 2009 10:06 am ET

AND THEY GIVE CONTRACTS TO ASSASINATE PALESTIANS WHO STAND AGAINST THEIR INTERESTS ....COLD BLOODED.

SO WHY THE ARABS DON'T USE THE SAME TACTICS, THERE ARE A LOT OF ASSASINS OUT THERE INCLUDING IN THE ZIONIST ENTITY.

MONEY TALKS .....WE START WITH THE TOP RANKS LIKE THEY DO.

Professor   January 21st, 2009 10:08 am ET

Benyemen,

I try not a pass a blanket judgement in advance and I usually attack bad actions.

Obama is smart and he might be trying to play politics right.... Lets wait to see what he is going to do.

If he is honest we will see Bush and Rumsfeld soon facing trials on torture... if that does not happen then it will be hypocracy coming out of the new President.

dan perman   January 21st, 2009 10:11 am ET

debs

there is no need to comment any more

professor (highschool dropout), solomon, libra and the other israel bashers discuss with each other, so there is absolutely nothing to add

ask Linda how to find me, if you have her email

benyemen   January 21st, 2009 10:12 am ET

YOU KNOW WHO PINPOINTS THE PALESTINIAN LEADERS WHERE ABOUTS TO THE ZIONISTS ........ASSASINS, ITS THE PALESTINIANS THEMSELVES FOR MONEY .........MONEY TALKS.

I BET ON MAHMOOD ABBAS MEN.

benyemen   January 21st, 2009 10:20 am ET

WAIT AND SEE EH....... MONITOR CLOSELY EH.....Bush and Rumsfeld soon facing trials on torture…

WAKE UP PROF.........

Professor   January 21st, 2009 10:34 am ET

Debs and Linda,

You have received your orders from Nazi Dan.... so you can start marching now.

Cheers.

Its the occupation stupids.

Professor   January 21st, 2009 10:37 am ET

Later Benyemen.

Seyed Mossadeq   January 21st, 2009 12:53 pm ET

Moss
See you @ the tree! (GMT)

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 1:52 pm ET

Linda are you here?

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 1:54 pm ET

Saw the time. Probably not. Bummer. Hi all.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 1:57 pm ET

I came to read. It fascinates me.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 2:01 pm ET

Prof – Is Nazi Dan one of those Jewish Nazi people who exterminated the other Jews? That was really the shining moment for me, much like the Death Frog thing. A close one was the P.C. B. deal. No offense. That's why I used initials. Not sure I fit into real things going on around me. I find them funny.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 2:39 pm ET

Wow solomon has depressed the bunch of criminals and infants' killers.
some elements of their logic:
-judeo-christian value to involve cristians with them in the massacres.
- we belong to the western civilization, how , where, when?........ETC. THE WEST IS THE WEST AND ISRAEL IS a UFO ( it needs more research to identify, describe, classify, and remidied).
-Wehave value (we educate our kids, we tell the truth, we work hard......); this is your problem; our problem with you has to do with you teeling lies to the world, you kill our children, and make us starve...............i.e., you may have an internal democracy (between jews); bit your a demoncracy from an external viewpoint.
-Obama is with us in order to tell the world:
change
yes we can (change to have more land in the west bank by expanding colonies......)

etc, etc.......................................................................
it s the occupation stupid.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 2:43 pm ET

facts are facts
even your scholars admit them, why don't you?

Professor   January 21st, 2009 2:44 pm ET

The day Obama shuts down Guantanamo is a symbolic gesture that is so similar to the day Saddam Hussain Statue was brought down and destroyed.

Its the end of Human Rights abuses by the US administration. A good start.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 2:46 pm ET

Bill January 21st, 2009 246 GMT

It’s odd that Islamic terrorist supporters are bent on comparing Israel with the Nazi’s. I guess they have a very limited imagination. They like to say that Israel is the aggressor when it is defending itself
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you are right, but its defending itself in an occupied territory.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 2:49 pm ET

professor
by violating human rights in this manner, israel has spoiled "world peace" that was established after WW2 withe peoples' flesh and blood.

CS   January 21st, 2009 2:55 pm ET

When I hear people like Tom a few comments back, say thet "Muslim People" this, and Muslim people that. It makes me realize what a racist world we still live in. Not that I'm not reminded personally everyday, but still. People have this prehistoric notion that, since the news depicts Muslims as angry people who hate everyone but themselves, that all Muslims must hate everyone but themselves. People just can't use their own mind for one second.
I see it every day on local news. The reporters always seem to find a brown skinned person who looks, and speaks in a degrading way, and the millions watching have looked, and made the conclusion that all brown people don't know how to act, or talk, or stay out of trouble.
It's the same trick that the media plays on the Muslim people around the world. They never do stories on the MANY peace loving, family values having, successful Muslims around the Middle east, and the world. Nope. They just show the agressive, tribal, battle-minded ones.
Hala. I wish you could help change this.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 2:55 pm ET

Mo – blame the Nazi Jews. Sorry. I'll back off and just read. Could not resist that one.

dan perman   January 21st, 2009 2:57 pm ET

GLeigh

they call me nazi dan

because i dare to question their lies

because i bring facts they cannot live with

because i catch their lies and falsifications

they do not even know what a nazi is

i d. i grew up seeing the number on my father's arm day in and ay out

i really don't give a sh*t what they do ot think, as many other sane people i am not in the blog anymore

Professor   January 21st, 2009 2:58 pm ET

Mohammed,

Israel has the worst human rights records.... in the history of the world as we know it.... worst than the Nazi period.

Its the most brutal occupation in the history of the world as we know it....

Its the occupation stupids..... :)

CS   January 21st, 2009 2:59 pm ET

I agree with you Professor. And this goes to show you that not all of us Americans are so blinded. People are starting to wake up.
All these protestors in California, N.Y., and other cities here, are the ones calling Israel a rogue state, who opresses Palestine, and imposes Holocaust on Muslims all over the Middle East.
Good Afternoon, by the way.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 3:01 pm ET

Have fun guys. Life should be fun. I'll leave you alone to your war stuff.

Professor   January 21st, 2009 3:02 pm ET

Nazi Dan,

Have you seen the numbers stamped on Palestinians prsioners arm?

Its your blind support of the Zionists what earned you the title.

Its the occupation stupid.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 3:04 pm ET

the dynamic of history consists of two main element, among others:
1-when you steal a land , you give it back.

2-when you expel people by force from their houses and farms, they return back.

This has nothing to do with religion whatsoever; it conerns human resistance to occupation. people are colonizers-proof.

its the occupation stupid.

Professor   January 21st, 2009 3:05 pm ET

Good afternoon to you too CS.... :)

GLeigh,

Don't let the door hit you in the ass...

Cheers.

Its the occupation stupid.

I would like to see all the companies that makes weapons outlawed.... And all the armies dismantled and all the people on earth live in Peace but that not what Israel wants.

CS   January 21st, 2009 3:05 pm ET

I think Nazi Dan, and others leave the blog becasue, when presented with facts (which have been backed up by sources), they get off topic, and start admitting why they are racists. Then they leave the blog once they see they are becoming the minority. They find a support group to blog on, where everybody hates...I mean thinks the same.
In any case, it is a very weak way to adress issues, but expected from the likes.

dan perman   January 21st, 2009 3:11 pm ET

i was telling

CS   January 21st, 2009 3:13 pm ET

Nope. Israel wants everyone in the region to have no military capabilities. Everyone but Israel. They think they are superior, and are being (were..Hopefully) enabled by their allies to say that nobody else in the region can have a legitimate military, accept for them. It's quite silly if you ask me. This is like my neigbors all getting together, coming to my doorstep, and telling me to hand over any and all weapons, and that they can have home defense weapons, but not me.

dan perman   January 21st, 2009 3:15 pm ET

i was talking to GLeigh

i don't really give a sh*t what any of the israel bashers think or do

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 3:18 pm ET

Gleigh
life could have been fun, but the presence of the occupier has stolen the real meaning of pleasure.

CS   January 21st, 2009 3:20 pm ET

If you want to talk solely to GLeigh, go and E-mail her. Nobody like you anyway.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 3:24 pm ET

shimon perez (a nobel prize winner): we dont kill childreN; we find casualties in all wars.

N.B. AS HE WAS SPEAKING, THE ARMY WAS BOMBING GAZZA CITY WITH HEAVY ARTILLERY AND PHOSPHORIC BOMBS.

ITS THE OCCUPATION STUPID.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 3:26 pm ET

Dan
by the way, your oven is waiting for you.

Nona   January 21st, 2009 3:27 pm ET

How Christian, CS.

Lots of us love you Dan. Ignore the haters. You can get my email thru Linda.

CS   January 21st, 2009 3:30 pm ET

And I'm not an Israel basher. I'm a fact presenter. The fact is, that Israel broke the cease fire 2x (june/november 2008)
The fact is, that Israel blockades Gaza perimeter to keep food, water, medical supplies, imports of any kind, from getting to the CIVILIAN population of Gaza.
The fact is, that Israel shuts off the water supply to Gaza on a daily basis.
The fact is, that these things have been going on since 2006, and even before that.
The fact is, that even during the cease fire, these things were allowed to happen, by the U.N., and the "PALESTINE BASHERS"

Hunk   January 21st, 2009 3:34 pm ET

Azzmi Bishari said in Al Jazeera Arabic website that Olmert used a word in Hebrew to means halting the operation and actually completely ceasing the fire.

We still receiving reports that the withdrawal is actually not to the outside of the strip but still inside Gaza borders and not outside.

This means that the Israelis are still in a statues of provoking the resistance and if the resistance fire at them they will be considered as breaking the ceasefire.

I think this will be like a rest for the resistance fighters and the new round of killing children s and civilians will presume in no time.

CS   January 21st, 2009 3:40 pm ET

Nona. Does it not say in the bible to rebuke your brother if he sins? The only time you have something to say to me, is to come to the defense of your fellow opressors. You won't dispute a position on anything, because you can't. I can give facts, and back them up with the sources from where they came. In fact, some of the sources are from Israeli/Jewish origin. But you don't want to discuss the issues, because you know inside that your position is wicked. Anyone who supports a nation who opresses it's smaller neighbors is wicked. So, I really am not interested in your opinion of me.
Come to me with facts, not nonsense. Or don't come at all. That's what I notice in here. You come with reason, and factual info, and people call you names, curse at you, then don't talk to you anymore, cause they know they have nothing to say anyway.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 3:40 pm ET

Causes behind the unilateral withdrawal from gazza:
1-to sell its image of the vitim to the world (they want peace).
2-to tell obama, we dont want to embarrass you; therefore, you should be our friend.
3-to tell palestinians that israel has the upper hand in war (it chooses the time and the place of attacking and stopping).
4-to give the illusion that its mission was accomplished (electoral considerations).
5-when it will besiege gazza again to make it starve again, it will tell the world: you see, we withdrew and they attack us with rockets again.

However, the real reasons are the following:
1-the army was short of real targets; either they penetrate cities and face fighters , or leave.
2-the number of the dead among the israelis reached 80 and this was a red limit for the political leadership.
3-the world has exhibited a strong reaction to their massacres, so they saw that cant continue degrading their image.

All in all, strategically, israel lost the war although it destroyed the city and killed civilians (there are reports that many were excecuted in houses in the outskirts of main cities, other civilians died because tanks carpeted them literally under their wheels).

CS   January 21st, 2009 3:47 pm ET

Hunk. You know that's what they're doing. They just want to exit as slowly, and arrogantly as possible. That's Israel's game. They want to provoke Hamas, so that they will react. Which, sadly, is easy to do in these fragile times.
But we won't hear it like that from the media. It will be more of the same "Oh, here's Muslims acting up again." And some fools will be dumb enough to blindly beleive it just the way it is told.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 3:54 pm ET

A young zionist: my father told me you are terrorists.

A young palestinian: my father did not tell me that because your father killed him before i was born.

By the way, this caricature has been chosen as the best in the US.

benyemen   January 21st, 2009 4:00 pm ET

DAN THE NAZI HONORABLE SATAN TEACHER

IF YOU DARE WHAT WAS THE NUMBER ON YOUR FATHERS HAND LIAR, BECAUSE I CAN FIGURE OUT THOSE TATOOS.

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 4:07 pm ET

Anyone who has information about the suspect when he is outside of the Israeli borders, report immediately to:

http://www.wanted.org.il/ehud_barak_en.htm

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 4:16 pm ET

Israel has admitted – after mounting pressure – that its troops may have used white phosphorus shells in contravention of international law, during its three-week offensive in the Gaza Strip.

One of the places most seriously affected by the use of white phosphorus was the main UN compound in Gaza City, which was hit by three shells on 15 January. The same munition was used in a strike on the al-Quds hospital in Gaza City the same day.

harvey   January 21st, 2009 4:17 pm ET

Mohammed, Prof and all the other hate mongers….

Sit in your ivory towers. Wish death,destruction and annhilation on us Jews, while watching it being visited so painfully on the land and the people you profess to love.

What has all your hate achieved????Broken buildings, dead bodies, little children killed….

Gaza is worse off now than in 2005 when we left. Then the border crossings were open. You had the chance to build your own state…you chose to try and destroy ours.

Look what you have achieved. NOTHING but DESPAIR. At best we are back to 2005.....

Your people deserve better….

PEACE YOU STUPID, HATE FILLED, WAR MONGERING, BLOOD THIRSTY IDIOTS is what we all need to concentrate on.

The paradox is that, Israel's friends and its opponents want the same things. They want Palestinian children to grow up with hope. So do we. They want Palestinians to be able to live in dignity. So do we. They want Palestinian parents to have work, income, and a life for their families. So do we. So why must we clash? Why are Israel and the Palestinians fighting?

Unless we work together and take a long hard look at ourselves and the injustices that we have perpetrated on one another we will just be on an endless collision course.

So mock me Professor, threaten me with the oven Mohammed, I am going to concentrate on running summer programs for israeli and palestinian kids to play together. The future lies with gettting to know one each other not hating eachother.

There must come a time, may it be sooner rather than later, when the interests of human beings take precedence over pride and prejudice; when people learn that hatred destroys the hater, not just the hated; when both sides realise that they are both there to stay, and that they must learn to live together, not die together.

Stop trying to play the blame game. No one is pure here and no one is 100% right.

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 4:27 pm ET

John Palmer the Guardian

Amnesty International has now joined the United Nations and Human Rights Watch in accusing the Israeli government of breaking international law outlawing the use of white phosphorus shells in the middle of highly populated areas of Gaza. The UN secretary general, Ban Ki-Moon, has condemned Israeli attacks on UN humanitarian centres in Gaza as "outrageous" and has called for an independent, international inquiry.

Meanwhile a senior minister in the Israeli government has been quoted in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz as saying that when the full extent of the destruction brought on Gaza becomes known "I will not be taking my holidays in Amsterdam". This possibly "humorous" observation referred to the possibility that leaders of the Israeli government may yet be arraigned before the International Criminal Court in The Hague – or a similar tribunal – to answer charges of war crimes.

harvey   January 21st, 2009 4:43 pm ET

As usual Benyemen insults....thank you for illustrating my point so graphically.
You fail to answer me on any level.
Not surprised...worm tongue...

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 4:51 pm ET

harvey
before giving our kids soccer, give them first some sugar; they are fed up with bitter tea thanks to your blockade. they are just kids, right?

benyemen   January 21st, 2009 5:09 pm ET

WHAT LEVEL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

I STEAL YOUR LAND AND I WILL TEACH YOUR KIDS SOCCER, WHAT DO YOU TAKE US FOR?

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 5:21 pm ET

I gave one person, Linda, my email address. Only. I emailed her first to check her out, and she's giving it to no one per my request.

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 5:28 pm ET

Ran to the bank and a friends and doing my home cleaning stuff. That's really fun. Anyone here know how to press a dress shirt? Popping in to read back a little because it is interesting. I'm not a warrior, have never seen a war and have nothing to add. I am really disappointed in the peace. Not sure it will work. I did hope for more. Later.

harvey   January 21st, 2009 5:32 pm ET

2005 no blockade. Israel withdrew from Gaza. The blockade was bought on by suicide bombers...rocketting from Gaza and terrorist attacks...

And your Arab brothers from Egypt and beyond did nothing to help you. How sad that you have to rely on us Jews and you cannot depend on your own brothers...All Egypt needs to do is to open the doors, but it hates Hamas and what Hamas has done and wants to contain the evil.

But we digress the state you are in now was brought on by your own leaders. You were better off in 2005. We all were.

And you dumb idiots. We are here now. This is 2009. We Jews aren't going anywhere. Your sick, sad delusions of gassing us all and kicking us into the sea ain't gonna happen. You have converted us too well into a warrior nation. So either we
1. learn to get on with eachother and together build a decent life for our kids. (My choice so I play soccer with kids and get em to go to camp. Arab and Jew. Show them to look beyongd the stereotypes and at the people).
2. Destroy eachother.

You guys seem hellbent on the destruction path. Probably that is because you guys don't live here. Always easy to urge death and destruction and fighting till the end when its someone else doing the dying.

Me....to hell with the wrongs and the rights of the past. I'll deal with the here and now and making peace.....small beginnings with a bit of soccer.

Sorry guys if you can't convert me to the hatred path....I'd rather teach all kids to kick a ball than to throw bombs.

ALL WE ARE SAYING IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!!!!!!!

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 5:37 pm ET

Keys.
if Ben Gurion admited that he stole that land from the Palestinians who are you to say otherwise?

David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti – Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121

Keys   January 21st, 2009 5:40 pm ET

we need to kick every last filthy arab out of the usa, england, germany, france, netherlands and every single european country. they think its fine for them to come into our land and take over and then have the shamelessness to claim sombody else is on "their" land.

stay in your filthy desert you stinking sand fleas.

Solomon   January 21st, 2009 5:47 pm ET

Keys
. it looks like you are a miserable person why dont you read what Ben Gurion said, instead of Using Hebrew to talk to other bloggers

The Jews have a disproportionate number of mental defectives, idiots, and imbeciles.” -
Dr. Maurice Fishburg

are you one of these mentally troubled and an Idiot?

GLeigh   January 21st, 2009 5:56 pm ET

Ouch my message on emails was really rude. Sorry Nona. In real life, friends and family know not to email me. I might or might not read them and respond within the next month. It's quicker using a cell phone. I had some questions for Linda and we don't really know each other so exchanged email addresses which seems safer. Guess I'm just not an email kind of person.

harvey   January 21st, 2009 5:58 pm ET

What miracles Israel has achieved.
Israel has made gathered the Jewish people from every land under the sun and made them one nation again
Israel has taken the language of the Bible and made it a living tongue again
Israel has rebuilt the yeshivot destroyed in the Shoah and made the world of Torah flourish again.
Israel has created a democracy in a part of the world that never knew it
It's created one of the great economies of the 21st century
It's given the world scientists and doctors,
poets and novelists
musicians and artists
scholars and thinkers
Israel has more high-tech companies, symphony orchestras, universities and research institutes than countries ten times its size
Instead of nursing revenge for past, Israel has sought to build a better future
Though it has walked through the Valley of the shadow of death, Israel has sought life.

Long live my country....

harvey   January 21st, 2009 6:01 pm ET

Got to go....but one last thought....prayer really.

The call on both sides must be for peace: peace for Israel, peace for the Palestinians. You cannot have one without the other. The choice is not between supporting Israel or supporting the Palestinians, but between peace or violence. Peace is sacred, violence a desecration. Too many lives have been lost, too much blood has been shed. Eventually both sides must recognise the other’s right to be – and if not now, when?

Shalom, Salaam and may the descendants of Abraham's sons Ishmael and Isaac learn that it is better to dwell together than to destroy one another.

Amen

benyemen   January 21st, 2009 6:10 pm ET

KEYS

I WILL REST MY CASE WITH SOLOMON COMMENTS ABOVE.

HARVEY

I WILL TEND TO GO WITH OPTION 2) DESTROY EACH OTHER.

CYA GUYS ON THE NEXT BLOG TOPIC

Hunk   January 21st, 2009 6:10 pm ET

Mashaal is having a press conference

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 6:33 pm ET

...........

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 6:53 pm ET

keys
i think you were isolated in a concentration camp when people were writing history. haaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhaaaaaaaaahaaaaaa

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 7:04 pm ET

keys
its the occupation stupid.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 7:07 pm ET

Hallo Mohammed, my favorite no. 2 Terrorist. Where is your brainless brother the Professor. Is he teaching more hatred ?

Peter   January 21st, 2009 7:11 pm ET

Hi Harvey,
We can only hope and prey that there are more people like you.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 7:15 pm ET

i have heard that israel has prepared many zionists to attack arabs in all western blogs.
did you see the degradation?

Peter   January 21st, 2009 7:18 pm ET

Well, that is a good thing Mohammed. You had enough time to spew your poisen around the Blogs. Now let the truth speak.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 7:22 pm ET

Oh, i see, the Professor is googeling to find something new that he can put on the Blog's. Thank heaven for Google otherwise would he have nothing to say.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 7:23 pm ET

HI PETER THE LIAR
NICE ASSONANCE.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 7:26 pm ET

PETER
Which truth? the fallacy that the occupier is the victim?

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 7:31 pm ET

peter
what is your opinion about what Livni said. she said she admired the soldiers for the extraviolence they exhibited?

Peter   January 21st, 2009 7:33 pm ET

Please, don't twist the truth to your liking and interpretation.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 7:36 pm ET

PETER
i vave been told in europe that you invented pornography. i need your urgent response to this question: who is your father? Because i feel you should look for him in the medina (mellah) where your mother used to live. This may explain the degree of the frustration you feel.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 7:41 pm ET

peter
is is true that Livni was a "he" before? THIS EXPLAINS THE DEGREE OF AFFINITY BETWEE HER AND THE BLACH HAWK.
HAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Peter   January 21st, 2009 7:43 pm ET

You Dumb Ass,
Do i look anything like you.
Go shave and then look in a mirror. Then you will find the answer to your question.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 7:47 pm ET

PETER
the black hawk is Rice.lol

Peter   January 21st, 2009 7:49 pm ET

Mohammed,
You need help.
Where is your buddy the professor.
Hiding under some skirt like you ?
Nobody takes you serious. You are nothing but a short fart and a joke, even to your other terrorist friends.
Stop making a fool out of yourself.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 7:51 pm ET

Professor, where are you.
Mohammed needs your help.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 7:55 pm ET

PETER
Now lets be serious. can you sleep, I mean like us, with all these kids in graves?

Professor   January 21st, 2009 8:02 pm ET

Harvey and Peter the Nazis,

Listen you two... I do not hate anyone.... I have sat down with Jews, Christians, Muslims, Israeli's, Israeli Occupying Officers and even Zionists... and was able to have an educated discussions.... but when you guys come here full of hate and not willing to listen to the other side and just want to spread lies and insults.... then i do not have the time no the patience to listen to you...

Its the occupation stupids.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 8:15 pm ET

Please you two,
Give the rest of us a break. You are nothing but welfare recipiants who live on other peoples hard earned income. Who are you trying to fool.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 8:28 pm ET

Mohammed,
Why behave
You and the Professor can't stand the truth, or could it be the fact that the whole world knows that you live on welfare. And then you sit at home and spew your poisen and hatred while the rest of us is trying to make an honest living. Is that it what is bothering you ?

George Gabel   January 21st, 2009 8:38 pm ET

Why has Israel not used the MTHEL to defend itself against Hamas rockets? MTHEL, the Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 8:38 pm ET

Do you two need some time to google for a response ?

I.B. Wright   January 21st, 2009 9:05 pm ET

Keys- Good thing there aren't too many more a-holes like you in this world.

Professor   January 21st, 2009 9:41 pm ET

Nazi Peter,

Are you just jealous.... because I live in huge house on a golf course... I sit beside my window overlooking the valley while I give you hard time? Is thart it? I am sorry you have to bust your ass standing on the corner waiting for a John to give you a couple of bucks for a bj.

Its the occupation stupid.

John   January 21st, 2009 10:02 pm ET

It isn't the occupation that is causing bloodshed. It is the militants of Hamas trying to destroy Israel that is causing all the bloodshed. This can all be worked out, but not when you have militant factions doing one objective, and that is to destroy Israel, this will never end. As I said before, the Palestinians need to demand from Hamas to stop all the violence and change their goals for the good of the Palestinians. Hamas isn't for the good of the Palestinians while they are trying to destroy Israel. Hamas is the main reason the Palestinians are suffering. So Mr. Professor, it doesn't matter who you think is occupying whose land. It matters who wants violence and who wants peace. Hamas doesn't want peace, they want to destroy Israel. The occupation is not the reason there is a conflict, its the excuse! The Jews have as much right to live there as the Palestinians do. So don't tell me this occupation hogwash. There might be some land they have to get off of, but you can get this accomplished by stopping all violence! The question of WILL IT LAST? Not while Hamas is calling the shots. Unless they come to the realization that VIOLENCE isn't the way to go. STOP THE VIOLENCE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS! The victims of all this nonsense are the Palestinian people all because of Hamas wanting to destroy Israel and Israel not going to take anybodies crap! So if the Palestinians want to not suffer anymore, they have to demand that Hamas stops the violence and renounces terrorism. But we all know that aint going to happen. We all know that Israel isn't going to destroyed, until Hamas or some other militant organization drops a nuke on them. And when that happens, say good bye to the middle east!

Professor   January 21st, 2009 10:10 pm ET

Nazi John,

Israel is trying to make you think that Hamas is its only problem.....

But, Israel is the problem of the whole Arab and Muslim worlds.

I know you do not comprehend what I am telling you here.... its going over your head... but thats ok... I will give you time.... eventually you might get there.

Its the occupation stupid.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 10:43 pm ET

By the way Professor,
The only house you live in is an Outhouse, and yes i believe you that it is on a Golfcourse overlooking a valley. But that does not change the fact that you are on welfare.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 10:51 pm ET

Professor,
Are you googeling to find out what nazi stands for. Or are you looking up more insults. Having a dumb arab like you on this blog makes for good entertainment. Thanks for sharing your insults and wisdom with us, ha ha ha ha

Peter   January 21st, 2009 10:52 pm ET

Professor,
Spank spank

Peter   January 21st, 2009 10:59 pm ET

Sorry everyone
The professor is still googeling. The show should resume shortly.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 11:09 pm ET

Thank you Osama Bin Mohammed for comming to the defences of your friend Osama Bin Professor. Stay a while, while Osama bin Professor is still googleling.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 11:11 pm ET

Osama Bin Mohammed,
The reason that you can not find it, is because you cannot read.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 11:33 pm ET

I am sorry everyone,
But it appears that the electricity in Professors outhouse went out. It appears that we will not hear from him tonight unless power can be restored. It further appears that his no. 2 man can not reach him.
Sincerely yours,
Peter

Professor   January 21st, 2009 11:39 pm ET

I love it when I piss Nazi Peter that much.... he cannot express himself any further. LOL

Its the occupation stupid idiot.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 11:41 pm ET

Professor
Way to go.

Peter   January 21st, 2009 11:42 pm ET

Professor
Spank spank you little nasty boy.

Professor   January 21st, 2009 11:56 pm ET

Nazi Peter,

Your services are no longer needed here... as your boss told you earlier.... I would suggest you go earn your living at the your regular corner down the street... I know how you feel earning 2 bucks an hour.... I promise you if you give me a good bj i will give you 3 but you have to clean your mouth first.

Its the occupation stupid.

mohammed gharbawi   January 21st, 2009 11:57 pm ET

professor
talking to peter the liar is like wasting bullets on nightingales.lol.
i think ill go to sleep.
Bye professor and kick his ass if he shows up again.

Professor   January 22nd, 2009 12:06 am ET

Mohammed,

Have a good night... I think his ass is purple by now... LOL

I don't think he is going to show his stinking ass one more time here.

Its the occupation stupid. :)

Peter   January 22nd, 2009 12:09 am ET

Mohammed,
Who are you kidding.
For day's have a been on this blog. There are so many people her who wanted nothing else but a serious discussion. There are so many people on this blog who have written intelligent blog entries without hate and hoping for peace. And everytime they express themself in a christian or humane way, they get some insults from some terrorist inclined people like yourself. You people should go on some other blogs with your hate. Read your own blog entries and these of your kind and tell us again that you are not a terrorist. Do you really believe that people have forgotten what you wrote 5 minutes ago, or yesterday, or the day before. Please read your own crap.All you guy's are doing is google something and then post it . This is not intelligent and everyone can see trough it. I dont care if you are called Osama or anything else, you are still a terrorist who does not want peace and you will defend it until your last day. Who else beside you and a few others are wishing the death of Israel, and please dont tell me you or the professor never said it. Just go back and read what you posted. And this is the reason why i have so much fun with you low lives. Yes i am an adult and can have a normal and sincere conversation with anyone. And by god, i have tried as so many others but to no avail. Now we are just having fun with you idiots because you have been exposed for what you really are, so take it as a man. You guy's don't want peace nor do you want to give peace a chance, all you want is war.

Professor   January 22nd, 2009 12:16 am ET

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/21/gaza-phosphorus-shells

Israel has admitted – after mounting pressure – that its troops may have used white phosphorus shells in contravention of international law, during its three-week offensive in the Gaza Strip.

Peter   January 22nd, 2009 12:23 am ET

Professor / Mohammed,
Good night you dumb asses.
It was fun for all of us to read your insulting remarks.
You are definetly making your race proud.
It shows your level of education.
Have a good night, go hide under your wifes dress.
Look forward to tomorrow.

Professor   January 22nd, 2009 12:34 am ET

Nazi Peter,

I know your kind... you do enjoy insults.... LOL

Its been fun insulting you too.

Its the occupation stupid.

Professor   January 22nd, 2009 12:50 am ET

LOL.... we love you too Nazi Peter.

Seiyefa Egein   January 22nd, 2009 9:22 am ET

The $1billion effort by Saudi Arabia in the rebuilding of Gaza might just be a waste because the war on the Gaza strip may as well just continue forever. Hamas is the enemy, because it's illegal. Israel should be sanctioned for the use of white phosphorus.

John   January 22nd, 2009 6:06 pm ET

January 21st, 2009 2210 GMT
Nazi John,
Israel is trying to make you think that Hamas is its only problem…..
But, Israel is the problem of the whole Arab and Muslim worlds.
I know you do not comprehend what I am telling you here…. its going over your head… but thats ok… I will give you time…. eventually you might get there.
Its the occupation stupid.
********************************************************************************

First of all Israel doesn't make me think anything. I don't listen, read or hear anything that comes from an Israeli which represents the government. You say the problem of the whole Arab and Muslim worlds is Israel. You need to explain further. Saying that one state is a problem means nothing without your proof and substance of exactly what the problem is (and we want the truth!). You haven't said why Hamas can't renounce violence and terrorism and prove to the world that it means it. It is starting to look like the solution to this age old problem is way over your head. Since Hamas is so narrow minded, violence is all they know that they are showing the world. We all know you can't answer the question of "why can not Hamas renounce violence and terrorism?" Which is the main reason nothing is getting accomplished. Wow, it doesn't take a highly educated, intelligent human being to see that this is only way. You can keep saying it is the occupation, but that isn't going to change. So quit the stupid excuse of the occupation. It is non-relevant. The Palestinians are not going anywhere and the Israelis are not going anywhere. I would think that even uneducated people could figure that one out. No brainer! Lets see,what is the only way you can totally destroy Israel? With a nuclear bomb! There you go! We have found a way to take care of the problem. Only thing is whomever blows it off, you better kiss you buns goodbye because the bad ass US is coming to take you out. So what do we have left after Israel is a radioactive wasteland? We will have a few more places, most likely in the middle east, that will radioactive wastelands also. So in the end, the US will occupy the middle east and all the Palestinians should be dead or are dying from all the radioactive fallout all while they are being martyed. Looks like the future is bright! The future of the middle east will look like the present US. Where everyone, no matter what religion or race, will live in peace. OR the Palestinians can get some help to start to demand that Hamas renounce violence and terrorism and start doing good things towards people and then we could start the peace process and have all the Jews, Muslims, and everybody else living with each other, driving the economy, bringing all the poor people opportunitys to enrich their life beyond anything that a Militant faction could bring them. .

Tom   January 22nd, 2009 8:32 pm ET

The muslims cut the heads off of people. Their only crime being that they are not muslims. Then the muslims brag about it. Muslims are barbarians. Palestinians are barbarians. They should be kept behind secure walls for the good of humanity. I don't blame Israel for defending themselves. They should have continued the campaign longer. Now it won't be long until Hamas starts shooting more rockets at Israeli civilians and the cycle repeats itself. Muslims never, never learn to behave. They worship Satan, the moon god. I guess we shouldn't be surprised.

Debs   January 23rd, 2009 1:11 am ET

Dan,

Thank you. I would love to keep in contact.

Nona or Linda, Dan has asked if you guys would pass on the mail account so I can keep in touch...

Proffessor,

I am absoulutely disgusted at you! Go back and read ALL of my comments. How can you attack someone like myself or others for talking peace!

I do want a Palestine! One that is a peaceful prosperous nation.

Dont judge what others have witnessed or worked in until you know full facts!

Saji   January 24th, 2009 5:05 pm ET

I am shocked to see CNN gives more importance to the medical amputation of some Brazilian model than the use of chemical weapons used against innocent Palestinian civilians!! I wake up to read the important news and I see on the front page' Should your wife have guy friends?". Grow up "CNN", I am pretty disappointed to see such a news organization not giving the people, who depend on them to give us the 'facts' as you see it and not as peope with political clout would want it to be seen. Remove those masks and prove what journalism is all about...

Rod   January 26th, 2009 5:42 am ET

A Stark Reminder of the Holocaust – Thanks to Israel
Secrets of the Gaza Holocaust have been hidden by the media. Hundreds of people dead in Israel's secret archive. This is where tax payer's money is going. Be prepared for very graphic content and forward to your family and friends so they know what our Tax money is used for. (see it all to the end)

http://www.elfarra.org/gallery/gaza.htm#

Dennis Junior   January 27th, 2009 3:54 am ET

Will it last? Maybe, for the immediate future.....

Roscoe   January 28th, 2009 6:51 pm ET

10 days-– a little longer than I expected. I thought Hamas would get an itchy trigger finger a little sooner than that!

Steve Canada   January 29th, 2009 3:29 am ET

The UN is a joke

The IAEA chief Mr ElBaradei is refusing a BBC interview because BBC did not air Gaza relief

Mr. ElBaradei has NO RIGHT to refuse an interview it is HIS DUTY to convey the goings on at the UN to the public

Mr. ElBaradei must RESIGN NOW!


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