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January 15, 2009
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A central storehouse for relief supplies is ablaze right now in Gaza city.

The fire left black smoke hanging over Gaza City, and there was no way to control the fire, said John Ging, the head of operations in Gaza for the U.N. Relief and Works Agency.

"It's a very big fire, and we're not able to get it under control at the moment," he said. With gun battles going on around the facility, "the emergency services are not able to get to us."

The compound was hit by shrapnel and tank fire during clashes Thursday morning, Ging said. Three workers were hurt, and the compound's warehouse and workshop were burning out of control within an hour and a half, he said.

"What we've had all night and into this morning is a relentless bombardment of this area by artillery fire, which is coming from kilometers away, and by tank fire," he said. He said staffers identified the source of the fires as white phosphorous shells, whose use is restricted under international law.

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Saudi   January 15th, 2009 1:30 pm ET

The white house charters
The WHITE HOUSE values ===== (confront violence with violence.)
The WHITE HOUSE way of life === (confront terrorism with terrorism.)
The WHITE HOUSE Justice ===== (confront the weaks with power.)
The WHITE HOUSE solution === (confront Palestinians with Israelis.)
The Americans are the taxpayers for all the above!
• Mr. Presedint, you promised you will put an end to the lobbyists influence in the way the US is run.
• Mr. President, the Middle East policy is the first crying for the change, unless your promises exclude the Jewish lobbyists.
• Mr. President, the cost is high and the human suffering and miseries are only getting worse and worse.
• Mr. President, we outside the US are also hoping for the changes you promised.
• Mr. President, we want you to see closely for us also and not just seeing us through the Israeli binoculars.
• Mr. President, make the USA to be good at earning friends and not as it was good at making enemies.
• Mr. President, the key to your success on this is being Just and fair and treating all as human with the same feelings and special needs.
• Mr. President, we in the middle east have our reasons to view the Middle east situation and US treatment as in this link http://saudisolutions.org/USinIRAQ.htm
• Mr. President, US successes effect us outside the US too, US discoveries and inventions helped us too, and we feel the admiration and gratefulness to America, Our Islam teachings tell us " whom they don’t thank people don't thank Allah".
• Thank you America for the good things you gave us, and America please be fair and just in the middle east conflict, safe lives and money, Save the money for since and technology and prosperity for all.

M Ariely   January 15th, 2009 1:38 pm ET

UN COULD PREVENT THIS WAR AGAINST TEEROR BY ACTING HAMAS

For years Hamas stated to kill all Jews, teaches children hate and dye, using children and civilians as human shields, for years fired whatever they could on Israeli civilians
THE UN WAS SILENT!

Iran supports Hamas and other terror organizations and call for Israel distraction
UN APPLAUDS LOUDLY IRAN PRESIDENT!

***Israel fights to protect their civilians ****
!!!UN IS LOUDLY ACTIVE TO SHIELD HAMAS!!

The Turk   January 15th, 2009 1:39 pm ET

today Israel hit UN building, a mosque and a Hospital with more that 500 wounded .

Israel is legalizing the acts of suicide attacks, the rockets, even 9-11 horror..by doing these horrible, inhuman acts of war against civilians.

now we clearly understand that Israel and its supporters deserved it..

Israel is equalized itself with Hamas..
we wonder, how will you defend your crimes?

The Turk   January 15th, 2009 1:42 pm ET

if Israel would not seize gaza, close borders and let them suffocate.. but instead, help them in economics, invest with them, built schools instead of bombing them, cooperate them to remove fanaticism which is fed by your very cruelty, you and your children would be respected so much and the peace would have a chance…there would be no rockets..

If you would choose to help them flourish aside with your people, you would be live in peace forever… simple fact..

but you have chosen to fight.. the fight is yours.. simple fact..

You were the powerful ones to act first…

Israel did not chose to live WITH their neighbors.. it chosen to live AGAINST them.

The Turk   January 15th, 2009 1:50 pm ET

how miserable reasons for crime against innocent non-militant people : but the blame on UN..

then we ask you, mister, why do not accept UN resolutions..?

Saudi   January 15th, 2009 1:54 pm ET

• UN is anti Somatic!
• UN hate Jews,
• UN helps feed Palestinians,
• UN is an enemy to the State of Israel.
• Madness,
• Power.
• Madness.
• Power.

The Turk   January 15th, 2009 1:59 pm ET

if anyone for any reason uses children and civilians as human shields, that does not give the other to deliberately shoot the shield ( innocents )...does it?

if they use them as shield, and if you shoot the shield.. what is your difference?... you are as terrorist as, as dirty as, the other..

Saudi   January 15th, 2009 2:02 pm ET

WHY THE ISRAELIS NOT TO DO ANY THING THEY LIKE, MORAL OR IMMORAL SINCE THEY ARE BACKED BY THE USA?!

yasmin   January 15th, 2009 2:03 pm ET

yes, I agree with u turk.

More than 1,000 Palestinians have been killed and nearly 5,000 wounded since the war began, but it is not enough i guess

also, international news agency offices in Gaza City was hit by Israeli fire. i guess Israel doesnt want anyone to know what is going there.

Fawad Ali   January 15th, 2009 2:04 pm ET

Israeli targeting of UN compound further clarify their intentions,

In the beginning, they have barred western media from entering into Gaza,

Now they are trying to drive out UN staff from Gaza

And than they will

Probably continue doing what they are doing on much larger scale –killing of civilians

There is no end of this fight, and certainly no end of Palestinian people’s plight since Americans have rejected to intervene into the fight……

Fawad Ali   January 15th, 2009 2:07 pm ET

Now look at Iranians and Hezbollah are sitting on the sidelines and watching and doing nothing, they were the reason Hamas provoke Israel
truly this is so sad..........

The Turk   January 15th, 2009 2:09 pm ET

"A central storehouse for relief supplies is ablaze right now in Gaza city."

Are all in Israel gone crazy with such hatred.? are you all Maniacs ?

What is happening there is a war crime !!

Fawad Ali   January 15th, 2009 2:10 pm ET

Iranians and Hezbollah also deserve blame

US deserved to be criticized for turning a blind eye

and UN should be shut down.......

Fawad Ali   January 15th, 2009 2:15 pm ET

Media like CNN should Maneuver its way to enter into Gaza, and report 'what is happening there'

Debra   January 15th, 2009 2:16 pm ET

What should America do? We are in two wars now, we shouldn't be involved in. We go over there, help your people, American soldiers die for your people and we are critizited for it. Are you over there helping your people? No, you are probably somewhere safe.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:20 pm ET

Fawad – The UN is a big group of people from different cultures, langues, beliefs, and grudges attempting to communicate. Kind of like a blog, but perhaps more useful because it gets attention. I see you find time on a blog worth some of your time. The U.S. cannot get involved in everything and solve all the problems. All sides deserve some blame. Blaming is useless. Move on from that to peace.

Fawad Ali   January 15th, 2009 2:20 pm ET

News Media like CNN should Maneuver its way to enter into Gaza, and report ‘what is happening there’

Gaza today and Rwanda fifteen year ago are quite similar, so why can't we just send reporters to Gaza as CNN and BBC did in case of Rwanda and Bosnia in 1990s

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:22 pm ET

Fawad – Wars are not safe. The press claims they know the risks. The UN workers cry foul if someone is hurt. Everyone has an opinion – like noses or other body parts.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:23 pm ET

The press takes pictures and doesn't save lives. The UN workers attempt to save lives. Who should be there and who shouldn't – in your opinion?

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 2:24 pm ET

its the occupation stupid.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:25 pm ET

LOLOL Hey Mo. You are really in the dog house. That's an old southern expression.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 2:25 pm ET

Now gleigh is justifying as usual.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 2:26 pm ET

Gleigh
nice to see you . You must be happy to see my name.

The Turk   January 15th, 2009 2:27 pm ET

Debra, GLeigh,

no one wants US solders go into war.. neither there nor here..
It is your president's ( and his father's) war..

We want Justice..for all... do note vote for Israel and it is crimes in UN Sec.Con.... that is what US can deliver to peace.. don t support the crime... that would be much more then expected from US..

do not give support to crimes..

this much can you deliver for humanity , not?

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 2:27 pm ET

gleigh
how are you today? better?

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:27 pm ET

Yes and no. I'm mad at you honestly.

Fawad Ali   January 15th, 2009 2:27 pm ET

GLeigh,

well, you are right, but two sides deserve the blame, But I don't think either side want to listen,

It’s just sad, even in 21st century we face same hopelessness as we did in 20th century

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:29 pm ET

In my world, Solomon the older wiser guy, would be a professor something. Perhaps the chair of a department. The Professor has a terrible sense of humor like me though he fights it. He would be the mayor, or perhaps the vice president. You I won't say. I have an opinion.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 2:29 pm ET

Gleigh
Yesterday, i had a nice dream. I dreamt i killed levni, barrack, and olmert with only 3 bullets. That's why im in a good mood today. I know, its only a dream. but, you know, it has cheered me up.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 2:31 pm ET

Gleigh
dont take it as personal.I insulted you, but it was a resonse to what you said first.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:31 pm ET

Fawad – At least we are communicating more. That is hopeful. People become people. Human. I have never had to be a warrior, fight a long time, or keep hate going. I try not to judge. For those innocents, I hope for peace.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 2:32 pm ET

gleigh
i have a very good job; but I cant tell you what it is. We are in a war.sorry.

MJ   January 15th, 2009 2:33 pm ET

my message to americans is Congratulations you found the answer for the famouse question ( why they hate us ? ) ..... will we hate you bcs the goverment which you elected is supporting israel in killing more than 400 child and wounded more than 2500 of them ( i am focusing in childrens ) and your Parliament which you elected issued a low or statement supporting Unconditionally israel in killing the childrens ...... thank you for reminding us after we Forgotten...... thank you for reminding us after we Deceived with your peace and human rights ( which mean rights for all exept arabs ) .... thank you for pushing us into extremests arms.

Canada eh   January 15th, 2009 2:36 pm ET

The responses of Americans is so typical – it's all Hamas nobody else is involved in this genocide. The Israelis are only protecting their people. Exactly what are they protecting them from? Didn't Israel build a wall around Gaza? Gee let me think – Warsaw the Nazis did the same.

The Israelis shaking hands with the UN while brokering peace?? and the Israelis continue their bombardment of Gaza. Makes a lot a sense. Typical though the way of thinking – forgot all thought and reason are gone. Only HATE remains.

The Israelis don't want the rest of the world to see the carnage. Babies blown apart by mortars and rockets. Stop all media from entering Gaza to show the world what is happening there, disgusting and abhorant as it might be.

Stop blaming one faction as a reason for genocide. There is no reason for innocent people to die. The Israelis have been slowly killing the Palestians for years and the world has sat by and did nothing. What? You don't want to offend the Americans or the Israelis? Offend them. Tell your governments it's time to put an end to this genocide.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:36 pm ET

Mo – you owe my friend Linda an apology. So does Akiva. I'm thinking about that. Linda will be back. Not sure when – probably in nine hours, maybe ten. Attack me. Don't attack my friends. I assure that I can take it.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 2:36 pm ET

gleigh
you should say sorry first.

Fawad Ali   January 15th, 2009 2:38 pm ET

News Media like CNN should Maneuver its way to enter into Gaza, and report ‘what is happening there’

Gaza today and Rwanda fifteen year ago are quite similar, so why can’t we just send reporters to Gaza as CNN and BBC did in case of Rwanda and Bosnia in 1990s.

Wish I could say 'let’s hope for the best', But I just turned-on television and watching right now ‘IDF is pounding Gaza again'.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 2:39 pm ET

Gleigh
linda did something bad. everybody in this blog used to respect her.But once you change your name and start insulting, you become nasty.
Once I read what she said to Dan about me and I was absent then. there has been an accumulation.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 2:39 pm ET

Its the occupation stupid....

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:40 pm ET

Mo – For? You are a creature crawling upon the earth. I would talk to a slug first. No apolgies. Bummer. Our communication is hindered.

Fawad Ali   January 15th, 2009 2:40 pm ET

Wish I could say ‘let’s hope for the best’,

But I just turned-on television and watching right now on CNN ‘IDF is pounding Gaza again’

Professor   January 15th, 2009 2:40 pm ET

Oh so now Israel is trying to pressure the UN into submission?

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 2:41 pm ET

Whom are you addressing when you said "You I won’t say. I have an opinion.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 2:42 pm ET

Is that what Airy wants to do?

Fawad Ali   January 15th, 2009 2:42 pm ET

Wish I could say ‘let’s hope for the best’,

But I just turned-on television and watching right now on CNN ‘IDF is pounding Gaza again’

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 2:43 pm ET

Gleigh
go and look for a life.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 2:45 pm ET

Gleigh

Mo – For? You are a creature crawling upon the earth. I would talk to a slug first. No apolgies. Bummer. Our communication is hindered.

im sorry for you.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:45 pm ET

Mo – I think you would be in prison for a terrible crime. But, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Apologize to Linda. Make nice.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 2:45 pm ET

The Isreali government is a corrupt bankrup government what you expect from a bunch of terrorist who are running Israeli government?

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 2:45 pm ET

Whatis being done in gazza today is not nazi. it is unprecedented.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:48 pm ET

Mo – good. Your pity touches me no end. Well giving you attention is only what you want. I'm done with you for the day. You do not exist. It will be a practice of self dicipline not to glance at your writings, but I can do it hopefully. I'll read back tomorrow or in a week to see if you really did apologize to Linda. Same for Akiva. If so, I might read again. Rant and rave. It's helpful. Bye.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 2:48 pm ET

professor

israel= a band of criminals governing criminals in a stolen land.

M Ariely   January 15th, 2009 2:49 pm ET

dont like my comment
Because the triple moral standard I have to post it

1: MUSLIMS MAY USE ANTIHUMANITARIAN METHODS
Since 1948

16500000+ Muslim killed by Muslims

Examples: Bangladesh 3000000+ Iraq:2500000+Iran:1000000+ Sudan:3500000+Algeria 1200000+Yemen:250000+Lebanon:170000+
20000 Bangladesh women,countless number is Sudan HAVE BEEN RAPED AND MUTILATED
Gas used by Iraq & Egypt
Entire families killed by sword in Algeria
Black slaves rescued from Arabs by volunteers
Terrorizing world cultures

2; NONMUSLEM COUNTRIES MAY USE WAR LOWS TO FIGHT ARMIES IN CIVILIAN AREAS AND IN SOME OCATIONS NOT TO FOLLOW THE WAR LOWS FIGHTING TERRORISTS

NATO in Balkans,Afganistan,Iraq airplanes bombed from high altitude killing many civilians.
They didn’t put their ground forces in danger in order to spare casualties

Russia in Chechnya and Caucuses destroy entire cities and villages including the civilians

3: A UNIQ STANDART FOR THE DEFENDING ISRAEL

2000 years persecution
Attacked by Arabs armies&terror since 1948
The only country under treat of existence
Civilians attacked& murdered by terrorists hiding behind Arabs human shield

Despite the above Israel is fighting with unmatched moral values
Provides food&medicine to enemy
Putting in danger solders,not using power entitled by war lows
Hamas manufacture rockets and Israel provides electricity

ISRAEL KEEPS HIGHEST MORAL VALUES DESPITE NON STOP TERROR

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 2:52 pm ET

M Ariely
don't theorize.
keep to the recent facts. what are you doing now in gazza. you are killing civilians. Dont talk about bangladesh or nepal or........ facts are facts. your bastard state has really really become a disgrace to our planet.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 2:53 pm ET

Listen Airy

Professor   January 15th, 2009 2:55 pm ET

The Muslims history is the cleanest.... unlink the Chirstians and the Jews.... so don't waste your time there becuase you cannot change the history..... Its documented and the Christians and Jews Intellectuals are witness on that.... So, you need to find something else to waste yourtime on.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:55 pm ET

Professor – I noticed last night you messed it up, the dots. You should have written, "It's all about the occupation.....stupid." You wrote, "It's all the occupation stupid....." Hope you have a good day. It really is fascinating for me on some level. Better than learning about lamps, especially since people want me to decorate their houses. I really don't care about lamps.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 2:56 pm ET

Your state-of -the-art-military technology is now missing civilians and killing UNRWA agents. I never thought the world will be silent in front of this insanity. i would give my life and see how bush and obama react now.

i m eager to see this funny;
change
yes we can

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 2:57 pm ET

gleigh
its the occupation ...................... stupid.
get it now?

Professor   January 15th, 2009 2:57 pm ET

Palestinians are not responsible for the Jews persecution... so if you want to pick a fight with the responsible one go fight the Germans... or you are too coward to fight the responsible ones and you want to show that you are brave by killing innocent unarmed civilians women, children and eldrely?

Professor   January 15th, 2009 2:59 pm ET

GLeigh,

I am not sure what you are talking about but its ok by me.... :)

Professor   January 15th, 2009 2:59 pm ET

Its the occupation..... Stupid.

Do you like that better GLeigh?

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:00 pm ET

Listen Airy.... are you still there?

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 3:00 pm ET

Zionists
there will come a time when you ll find no place where to hide. we, arabs, have hosted you , fed you, and protected you. What was the response: killing our children.
shame on you, prophets' killers.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 3:03 pm ET

gleigh
you remind of an arab proverb which says : when the coward is beaten by people, he come to the house to beat his sister.

benyemen   January 15th, 2009 3:03 pm ET

HI TO ALL ANTI-ZIONISTS, AND BAD DAY FOR ZIONISTS

FAWAD ALI

WHAT A NONSENSE COMMENT THERE IRAN & HIZBULLAH ARE THE REASON HAMAS PROVOKED THE ZIONISTS OCCUPIERS!!!!! WAKE UP BROTHER HAMAS IS A RESISTANCE FORCE HERE AND ARE THE VICTIMS.

OR THE TWO SIDES HAVE TO BE BLAMED HOW CAN YOU BLAME A VICTIM OR RESISTANCE FORCE

I AM VERY ASHAMED TO READ SUCH COMMENTS FROM SUCH A NAME HOLDER (EVEN IF YOU ARE A SUNNI YOU SHOULD NOT TAKE SUCH STAND AND HIZBULLAH AND IRAN HAVE NOTHING TO DO IF THEY HAVE THEN I WILL BE HAPPY COMING FROM OUR SHIA BROTHERS).

DEBRA

YES ACTUALLY THEY ARE PLAYING FOOTBALL AT THIS TIME A GCC FOOTBALL LEAGUE, SO THEY WANT USA TO FIGHT FOR THEM AS THEY FOUGHT FOR THEM AND DID DISMANTLING IRAQ.

THE TURK

I DON'T SEE IT RIGHT THAT YOU EQUALIZE THE ZIONISTS OCCUPIERS WITH HAMAS THE RESISTANCE FORCE

AND YOU BRAND HAMAS TERRORISTS? THIS WAS NOT EXPECTED FROM YOU DEAR.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:04 pm ET

Professor – I was fussing at Mo. Now I'm done.

nora Aron   January 15th, 2009 3:04 pm ET

If the world seriously wants peace, pay heed to the historical CAUSE of this deadly conflict: the creation of Israel years ago. See for example: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/78601.stm

FIRSTLY, the homeland of Palestine was TAKEN AWAY from the Palestinians (look up any info of the history, also on cnn and bbc websites). Israel was created from the homeland of the Palestinians i.e. Israelis are occupiers.
SECONDLY, after being deprived of their land, the Palestinians were placed in refugee camps, for more than 3 generations!
THIRDLY, the Israeli/occupiers of the “refugee camp” had put blockades against basic necessities such as food and medicine, i.e. denying the Palestinians basic human rights.

If all three' events' above occur to you, wouldn't you want to throw stones and fire old rockets to your more formidable, sophisticated occupiers?

Please be aware of the cause, and return to the Palestinians their state WITH their rights (at least the 1967 boundary) , if the world is serious about world peace. And no tricks i.e. no Jewish settlements in the agreed 1967 boundary, etc.

Also note the similarity between Hamas and Jews' own freedom fighters' organization 'Haganah' s back then, and Haganah’s “terror” activities supposedly defending Jews' independence back then. Very enlightening. By the way, not all Palestinians are moslems. Some are Christians. So, they too are deprived of their homeland. Be fair, be just. Only then will there be durable peace... .

If Ireland and South Africa can change from 'terrorists'/freedom fighters and now have rights to their own States, so can Palestine.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 3:05 pm ET

gleigh
crawling creatures dont apologise.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:06 pm ET

Again they are saying that they hit the UN storeage facilities by mistake.... what a bunch of crooks.... and stupid soldiers who do not know what they are shooting at. What a waste of technology the US giving for free.... they don't even know how to use it.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:06 pm ET

I use to ramble on about peace. I wanted Hamas to stop its rockets so that Israel would stop. Silly stuff. I wanted mediators and monitors. I wanted Israel to exist, and the U.S. Some don't. I think you are one. The dots are much better. Thanks.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:06 pm ET

I guess Airy is hiding again....

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:10 pm ET

Professor – Do you ever get tired of the blaming and rhetoric? I wrote not along ago that a war zone was not safe. The press didn't belong there. That seems pretty basic. Hope they are okay, but the press has been fussing that it knows the risks and should be there. Wars are never easy, clean, or humane.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 3:10 pm ET

Gleigh
just go.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:10 pm ET

GLeigh,

I wish that is possible but after 60 years of trying peaceful negotiations..... Israel prooving to the world that it does not want peace on equal ground for Palestinians and Israelis alike.... It wants Peace for Israelis and whatever happens to the Palestinians.... who cares... they can go live somewhere else.... well that is not going to happen....

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 3:11 pm ET

gleigh
at least, you have the term "humane" in your dictionary. zionists are a different species.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:13 pm ET

GLeigh,

not really... ;-)

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 3:14 pm ET

soldiers who use heavy artillery to bombard a dense city are not human beings. This has never happened since WW2.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:14 pm ET

Professor – It would have been easier if Israel had gone somewhere else. The old old texts said they would go there, for whatever reason. They have sites older than we can imagine. The news said their religion was now six thousand years old. I can't get ahold of that number though China dates back further. I guess they just felt they had to be there. I can't imagine having to be a warrior either, so mostly I'm non judgemental or attempt to be.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 3:16 pm ET

we should buy as many ovens as we can. the conclusion is underway.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 3:18 pm ET

romans have old sites everywhere. does this mean they have to come and kill us where we live. the rhetoric of occupation. I smell blood in this old lady.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:19 pm ET

GLeigh,

what are you talking about? The old texts said they would go where?

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 3:19 pm ET

gleigh
take youe old text and burn it.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:22 pm ET

The Old Testament in the Bible.

benyemen   January 15th, 2009 3:25 pm ET

QUESTION TO ALL

WHY DO YOU THINK THE ZIONISTS ARE SHELLING THE GRAVEYARDS?

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:25 pm ET

God kicked them out of that land in the old testament and told them to go get lost in the rest of the world.... They have a direct order from God to vacat that land and get the hell out.... listen to the orthodox rabbis and not to bunch of criminal murderes who became politicians....

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 3:26 pm ET

this is the best:
israel always shows us that Alaqssa mosque is the one with the yellow roof in jerusalem.
I want all muslims to know that this is not Alaqssa mosque. this is the Qubba mosque. Alaqssa mosque is located near alqubba and it has a deep blue roof.
Zionists are laughing at us because we dont even know what we are talking about.
If any one want me to give him the real picture of Alaqssa mosque, ask for it in the following email:

romanssimo@yahoo.com

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:27 pm ET

GLeigh,

you do not even know your bible... what the hell are you mumbling about?

I studied the old and the new testament at a US christian university..... I am not mumbling without knowledge.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:27 pm ET

I think he said they'd go back. I know we will never agree. You want them to not exist. I do. I hope everyone gets to exist basically.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:28 pm ET

Because they have no repect to the dead..... but one of the idiot on here will tell you that Hamas are hiding in graves now.... LOL

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 3:29 pm ET

??????????

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:30 pm ET

Professor – I don't know what God wants. Wasn't here when he made the world. I personally would like peace. Old, tired word.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:32 pm ET

GLeigh,

I did not want them to evaporate.... althoug that would be a good idea.... the world will rest.... but every nation i know protects its jewish minority.... Even in a true muslim state if any exists in the future (none exist today) leaders are supposed to respect the Jewish and/or christian minority not just that but even if that minority was poor then that state is responsible to keep up and maintain their religious worship places not to destroy them as Israel is doing right now....

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 3:32 pm ET

BENYEMEN
because may be hanniyye is hiding in a grave.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:34 pm ET

GLeigh,

You think that Palestinians don't want peace?

But they do not want to give Israel (the occupier of their land) peace while they are living in concentration camps....

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 3:35 pm ET

CNN
ISRAEL DOES NOT WANT YOU TO SEE REAL ISRAEL. After children, women, and innocent men, now journalists.
Hala, i respect you a lot. Please ,dont go there.they will kill you.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 3:36 pm ET

I think we lose our time with desperate housewife here . I LL STOP TILL THE COMING OF THE idf agents:nona, dan, and the other criminals.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:37 pm ET

Professor – They (you) don't want Israel to exist period. You know that. I do. If the world promised to help Gaza, send in mediators and monitors, and let them all exist – it still wouldn't matter.

Bill   January 15th, 2009 3:38 pm ET

mohammed gharbawi –

You reek of fear and desperation as your Islamic warriors cower and hide under the skirts of women and beneath the beds of children. When they come out for a minute your Hamas terrorists are attacking from UN warehouses and hospitals, thinking that they will be safe. Such Islamic bravery! They are being destroyed. The world is watching the Islamic terrorist war criminals being sent to hell to be with their pedophile prophet. The Muslims won't be able to lie, cheat, and steal their way out of this one. It is good to watch pure evil being destroyed for the sake of humanity.

There will be peace – after you are destroyed. You will be an example for all other incompetant Islamic terrorists. Attack Israel and be destroyed. No amount of money from Iran will save you from your fate. Even the Arab leaders delight in seeing the Hamas war criminals decimated. You are getting what you so richly deserve. You understand only violence and destruction. You shall have your fill. I imagine that your human shields won't be too happy after this war you started. I hope they show their "appreciation" to any surviving Hamas cowards.

dan perman   January 15th, 2009 3:38 pm ET

"we, arabs, have hosted you , fed you, and protected you. "

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:39 pm ET

GLeigh,

obviously you are either new to this issue or you are just plain stupid..... Paslestinians have been asking for years to international monitors to go protect them from the Israeli aggressions on daily basis..... but none of that happened over the years.... so what else would you like them to do?

Mori Goldlist   January 15th, 2009 3:41 pm ET

It took eight years of having it's cities and citizens forced to live under constant bombardment of rockets from Gaza. DAILY FOR 8 YEARS!

What would it take for Israel to stop avenging itself in Gaza? They have already openly declared to the world. Make sure that Gaza stops firing it's rockets at Israel and make sure that Gaza doesn't get any more rockets through tunnels to use against Israel... end of story, that's all they want!

Why is it so impossible for Gaza to say, okay, we will stop all bombing of your cities and we will bring in only food and medical supplies for our people to live in peace? end of story? ONLY if peace was all that Gaza wanted!

Don't want peace? Stop your bellyaching and take the bombs on your heads!

As for the UN? They sponsor Gaza. By extension they sponsor the terrorist rocket attacks on Israel Israel should purposefully target UN outposts and not feel any necessity to apologize!

Mori G
Toronto Canada

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:41 pm ET

Professor – There is a saying here, "Forget the peas, get straight to steak." Occupation is not the problem. Israel existing is. I'm just a simple person. I can't doctor this up too much. It is what it is.

benyemen   January 15th, 2009 3:41 pm ET

PROF,

THE OLD LADY OF 50 YEARS AND MARRIED TO A 23 YEARS STUD, IS PLAYING GAMES AS USUAL,

GLEIGH ACTUALLY WE ARABS ALSO WOULD LIKE ALL PEOPLE TO EXIST BUT ON THEIR LAND AS THE FOLLOWING EXAMPLE

ENGLISH PEOPLE – ENGLAND
FRENCH PEOPLE – FRANCE ETC.....
BUT ZIONISTS – THERE IS NO ZION STATE SO THEY ARE EITHER BRITISH, AMERICANS, RUSSIANS ETC...SO THEY GO BACK WHERE THEY ACTUALLY EMIGRATED FROM.....BECAUSE AS INDIA IS FOR INDIANS .....PALESTINE IS FOR PALESTINIANS......DID YOU GET THAT NOW......AS YOU SAY WE CALL YOU STUPID WHICH IS NOT TRUE BUT YOU MAKE US LOOK AT YOU AS STUPID.

AND BY THE WAY THERE ARE NO ISRAELIS THEY GOT EXTINTED AS THE DINOSOURS THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO WHO ARE AVAILABLE NOW ARE ZIONISTS ...WHO THE GOD FEARING JEWS HAVE WASHED THEIR HANDS OFF THEM.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:42 pm ET

GLeigh,

you do not know what I want.... how can you say that you know I do not want Israel to exist?...

I have no problem is the US gives them a land somewhere in the US where there is a lot of empty land and make them state number 53. Who cares... more power to them..... alot of them live there anyways.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:44 pm ET

GLeigh,

Good them don't doctor it up.... If thats what you want then good for you.....

Its the occupation...... stupid. :)

dan perman   January 15th, 2009 3:44 pm ET

protected jews as follows:

the 1920, 1921, and 1929 Arab riots in Palestine, which resulted in roughly 175 Jewish dead and over 700 wounded.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:45 pm ET

The Israeli daily Haaretz (April 29, 2002), reporting Tutu's remarks at a recent conference in Boston, quoted him as saying:

"Israel is like Hitler and apartheid": "I've been deeply distressed in my visit to the Holy Land; it reminded me so much of what happened to us black people in South Africa...I have seen the humiliation of the Palestinians at checkpoints and roadblocks, suffering like us when young white police officers prevented us from moving about..."I say why are our memories so short? Have our Jewish sisters and brothers forgotten their humiliation? Have they forgotten the collective punishment, the home demolitions, in their own history so soon?...The apartheid government was very powerful, but today it no longer exists. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic, and Idi Amin were all powerful, but in the end they bit the dust. Injustice and oppression will never prevail."

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:46 pm ET

GLeigh,

Do you know who is Desmond Tutu?

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:48 pm ET

Professor – You got your dots right! This is very interesting, stimulating conversation. Hard to find. Thanks for taking the time. My back is better and I have a backload of work to do. Bummer. I have things to do and you do. At least the conversation came down to people conversing in a civil manner. Our language is hard. Thanks for knowing that too. I speak French badly, with a southern accent. My professor started laughing during the final test. Perhaps this is a first step for humanity, learning how to speak to one another. I hope so. My heart is sad often. Have a good day. I have to go. Peace.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:50 pm ET

GLeigh,

I speak 5 languages so don't be too hard on me.... at least i am getting my point across.

You too.

benyemen   January 15th, 2009 4:08 pm ET

BILL(THE INFIDEL)

ALL YOU KNOW IS INSULTING OUR PROPHET, REMEMBER THERE IS AN END TO EVERYONE.....YOU WOULD'T LIKE YOURS.

MORI OF TORONTO

ITS THE OCCUPATION...........STUPID

Nona   January 15th, 2009 4:12 pm ET

Gleigh, I don't know if you're still here but I'm looking for you

Magio   January 15th, 2009 4:29 pm ET

Israel over and over ,conflict after conflict has proven by her hostile actions against the interests of the United Nation that ISRAEL HAVE NO USE AND RESPECT FOR THE UNITED NATION AND ITS STAFF EXCEPT WHEN THE UN RULES APPLIES FOR THE INTEREST OF THE ISRAEL.
Using her membership against the legemacy of the Legal presentation of the Palestinian People by their popular vote for HAMAS as their legal government and protector.

Israel has no respect for the international humanitarian laws and the rules set by the united nation representing the International community.

THIS LETHAL AND MURDEROUS ACTION BY THE ISRAEL SHOULD BE TAKEN AS AN ACT AGAINST THE RULES AND THE FOUNDATION OF THE UNITED NATION NOT ACCEPTED BY THE ISRAEL TO HAVE ISRAEL EXPLED FROM THE UNITED NATION.

Jordan   January 15th, 2009 4:30 pm ET

It always amazes me how little knowledge of the past individuals who decide to post to these boards hold. Gaza and the West Bank were never part of a Palestinian state. In fact, there were no Palestinians until after 1967 when Egypt and Jordan refused to take in the Arabs living in Gaza and the West Bank, thus creating the Palestinian identity. It was an intentional move made to create another weapon against Israel. The Arab leaders at the time have publicly stated as much. That move has obviously backfired. Now Israel fights against a group dedicated to its complete destruction, that uses UN Schools and facilities to attack (an article was just published today about how UNRWA has admitted to hiring Hamas and Islamic Jihad members to work in their schools!!!). Yet, there are people out there who think there will ever be a peace agreement with Hamas in control of the West Bank and installing Sharia law, and what is essentially an Islamic Theocracy with no civil rights.

Now to correct some obvious lies put on these boards.
Benyemen – I guess what you're saying is that all Arabs should return to the arabian peninsula too then huh? French to France, English to England, Arabs to Arabia no? Oh, and over 50% of Israels population is from the Middle East and North Africa... people seem to forget about the more than 200,000 Jewish refugees kicked out of countries like Iraq when Israel was reestablished, even when they had no desire to leave. And pleeeeeeeease, don't even get me started on the whole idea of the 'dhimmi'. That's racism in its purest form.

Perhaps Bishop Tutu should stop looking at who is funding his causes and start looking at the reality of who is reason he had to create them. It seems that years of genocide in Darfur, countless wars and child soldiers all over Africa (like the situation in Somalia and Congo) are all not worth any time at all... Why would this be? Maybe because in that case it's muslims killing christians, so the muslim world doesn't get up in arms about it...let alone report any of it on their state run news agencies. But when it's another group fighting back and WINNING against muslims who have publicly stated that they are committed to the extermination of a country, it's an "outrage" and "genocide" and a "massacre."

This is absurd. Russia carpet bombing Chechnya was a massacre. Darfur is Genocide. People trying to equate Israel killing 1000 Palestinians, the majority of which ARE Hamas, is nothing remotely similar. And make no mistake about it, the Palestinians will of course say that as many of the people killed are civilians as possible. What they don't say is that members of the rival Fatah group, that Hamas executed are counted in that total etc...

Anyone with knowledge of any kind can simply look at Kosovo during the 90's and then see just how ridiculous the demonizing of Israel has become.

The economy in the West Bank grew exponentially last year. Why? Because Fatah recognizes Israel, respects previous agreements and renounced violence. If Hamas were to do the same, Gaza would be much better off, as would the Palestinian people. We all know Hamas smuggles weapons in from Iran to attack Israel, however if they really cared about the plight of the Palestinian people, wouldn't they be smuggling in food and medical supplies instead? WAKE UP WORLD!!! As long as Hamas is who they are and do what they do, there will not be a two states living side by side in peace and security.

cubfan   January 15th, 2009 4:31 pm ET

Why? Are you kidding me? The UN is the only resupply depot Hamas has left. Maybe if the UN would stop resupplying the terrorist in Gaza this war could come to quick conclusion. No cease fire until all of Hamas is either dead or captured.

benyemen   January 15th, 2009 4:32 pm ET

NONA

GLEIGH WENT OUT WITH MOHAMMED GHARBAWI, AND THE PROFESSOR, ALTHOUGH THEY WILL BE BACK SOON

Callie   January 15th, 2009 4:33 pm ET

I hope Israel finishes the job this time and frees the world from every Hamas bacteria in Gaza!

benyemen   January 15th, 2009 4:38 pm ET

CUBFAN

WISHFUL THINKING ...KEEP DREAMING

cubfan   January 15th, 2009 4:46 pm ET

Hamas is negotiating like they have marched their troops into Tel Aviv because the Hamas leadership is sitting in their comfy surrounding in Damascus. The IDF needs to conquer Gaza and kill or capture every last terrorist fighter. What we need is an even greater escalation of hostilities in Gaza not a cease fire.
One way to expedite the inevitable demise of Hamas is to turn the IDF forces towards Damascus and carpet bomb them into a very uncomfortable existence.

benyemen   January 15th, 2009 4:56 pm ET

CUBFAN

VERY GOOD IDEA KEEP GOING INTO DAMASCUS AND LEBANON THERE IS HIZBULLAH GO FOR THEM THOSE TERRORISTS THEY DONT DESERVE TO LIVE

benyemen   January 15th, 2009 5:14 pm ET

HEY WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG, MAYBE (WHOEVER KIDNAPED AKIVA USER NAME) HAVE SHOVED THEM IN GAS CHAMBERS...........

benyemen   January 15th, 2009 5:18 pm ET

MOHD GHARBAWI

HOW MANY OVENS HAVE YOU PURCHASED TO DATE?

Magio   January 15th, 2009 5:35 pm ET

"WAKE UP WORLD!!! As long as Hamas is who they are and do what they do, there will not be a two states living side by side in peace and security."

YOU SAID IT! And the same applies to Israel...Somehow it seems like the Israelis have ownership over the use of word VICTIM and the sole control over word "VICTIMIZATION".

It is theirs and NO ONE ELSE'S,it is a BRAND NAME THAT ONLY APPLIES to Israel and the ISRAELIS...

Here we have a very safisticated MILITARY MACHINE going full gear against UNARMED POPULATION BESIEGED IN A VERY SMALL AREA and the Zionist propaganda machineare busy uttering MERE WORDS...

ONLY YESTERDAY NINE ISRAELI HUMAN RIGHTS GROUP ACCUSED THE ISRAELI ARMY OF ENDANGERING GAZAN CIVILIANS AND CALLED FOR A WAR CRIMES INVESTIGATION.

And here we have this guy talking about Chechya'
Darfur and Muslims killing Christians!!???WHO CREATED THESE SO-CALLED CONFLICTS THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO? AND WHO IS(ARE) BEHIND IT?

WHAT IS HAPPENING IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE WORLD EYES
TODAY IN A BESIEGED AREA AGAINST THE UNARMED POPULATION OF GAZA AND THE AGAINST GAZANS BY THE ISRAELIS IS AN OPEN ACT OF VIOLENT CRIMES AGAINST HUMANTY.
IT IS RAW AND VICIOUS MURDER, IT IS GENOCIDE ,MASS MURDER AND MASSACRE COMMITTED BY THE ISRAEL AND THE ISRAELIS LIVING IN THE PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES AGAINST INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO OTHER PLACE TO GO EXCEPT TO THEIR GRAVES.

Evelyn (Canada)   January 15th, 2009 5:42 pm ET

There are no words for the grief I feel in my heart for the Palestinians and what they are enduring….it’s indescribable. This inexcusable slaughter must stop
Bolivia and Venezuela have expelled their Israeli ambassadors. This is something many more countries need to do. I also feel countries should impose sanctions against Israel. Personally I will no longer buy any Israeli products (such as Naot shoes etc). For a good reference of Israeli products, see http://www.whiteplainsforisrael.org/ Boycott Israeli products. Israeli’s will not suffer from boycotts like the Palestinians have suffered without life’s necessities, but at least I feel that I am doing what I can.

benyemen   January 15th, 2009 5:47 pm ET

WELL SAID MAGIO.................

Tony Larue   January 15th, 2009 5:53 pm ET

Professor
January 15th, 2009 1545 GMT

The Israeli daily Haaretz (April 29, 2002), reporting Tutu’s remarks at a recent conference in Boston, quoted him as saying:

Thank you for quoting a God fearing and honorable man who have seen all the evil inflicted by once group of "human beings" agiinst other human beings. I am going to be brutally blunt here. with these five words. RACIAL APARTHIED PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

It is a pleasure to read your blogs. I still have trust in peaceful and non warring Israelis to make the change needed.

benyemen   January 15th, 2009 5:54 pm ET

EVELYN THANKS FOR THE LINK. AND MAY GOD BLESS YOU FOR YOUR ACTION.

Magio   January 15th, 2009 6:02 pm ET

ISRAEL MUST BE EXPELLED FROM UNITED NATION AND HER MEMBERSHIP NULIFIED FOR ATTACKING THE UNITED NATION'S COMPOUND IN GAZA.

shaul Hanuka   January 15th, 2009 6:06 pm ET

As an Israeli I am ashamed in the fact this war is taking place and in the way it is managed, The IDF spokesman doesn’t even try to deny the fact that most of the casualties are civilians and didn’t deny the fact that the IDF is using white phosphorous in this war.

If in Sabra and Shatila the IDF only did the siege and the Christian militias did the slaughter now the IDF does both. never in the IDF history there was less care for civil lives than in this war.

I think the most important thing the international community can do AFTER enforcing a cease fire is to call “operation” cast lead a war so the rules of war will apply on Ehud Barack, Ztipi Livni and Ehud Olmert.

Considering the legal status of Ehud Olmert it seams he could only benefit from this cause then he’ll find himself in a prison in the Hag and not in Tel Aviv.

benyemen   January 15th, 2009 6:14 pm ET

MAGIO

USA WILL VETO SUCH A RESOLUTION.

benyemen   January 15th, 2009 6:19 pm ET

MAGIO

THE FOLLOWING ARE THE RESOLUTIONS VETOED BY THE UNITED STATES DURING THE PERIOD OF SEPTEMBER, 1972, TO MAY, 1990 TO PROTECT ISRAEL FROM COUNCIL CRITICISM:
* . . . condemned Israel’s attack against Southern Lebanon and Syria…”
* . . . affirmed the rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, statehood and equal protections. . . ”
* . . . condemned Israel’s air strikes and attacks in southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians. . . ”
* . . . called for self-determination of Palestinian people. . . ”
* . . deplored Israel’s altering of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognized as an international city by most world nations and the United Nations . . . ”
* . . . affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people . . . ”
* . . . endorsed self-determination for the Palestinian people . . . ”
* . . . demanded Israel’s withdrawal from the Golan Heights . . . ”
* . . . condemned Israel’s mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva convention protocols of civilized nations.
* . . . condemned an Israeli soldier who shot eleven Moslem worshippers at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount near Al-Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem. . . ”
* . . . urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon … ”
* . . . urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Beirut. . . ”
* . . . urged cutoff of economic aid to Israel if it refused to withdraw from its occupation of Lebanon. . . ”
* . . . condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied territories in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace. . . ”
* . . . deplores Israel’s brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urges its withdrawal. . . ”
* . . . condemned Israeli brutality in southern Lebanon and denounced the Israeli ‘Iron Fist’ policy of repression. . . ”
* . . . denounced Israel’s violation of human rights in the occupied territories. . . ”
* . . . deplored Israel’s violence in southern Lebanon. . . ”
* . . . deplored Israel’s activities in occupied Arab East Jerusalem that threatened the sanctity of Muslim holy sites. . . ”
* . . . condemned Israel’s hijacking of a Libyan passenger airplane. . . ”
* . . . deplored Israel’s attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon. . . ”
* . . . called on Israel to abandon its policies against the Palestinian intifada that violated the rights of occupied Palestinians, to abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions, and to formalize a leading role for the United Nations in future peace negotiations. . . ”
* . . . urged Israel to accept back deported Palestinians, condemned Israel’s shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention, and called for a peace settlement under UN auspices. . . ”
* . . . condemned Israel’s . . incursion into Lebanon. . . ”
* . . . deplored Israel’s . . . commando raids on Lebanon. . . ”
* . . . deplored Israel’s repression of the Palestinian intifada and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians. . . ”
* . . . deplored Israel’s violation of the human rights of the Palestinians. . . ”
* . . . demanded that Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact-finding mission to observe Israel’s crackdown on the Palestinian intifada . . . ”
* . . . called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli-occupied lands. . . “

benyemen   January 15th, 2009 6:25 pm ET

MAGIO

THE FOLLOWING SAMPLES OF RESOLUTIONS WHICH WERE VIOLATED BY ISRAEL

1955-1992:
* Resolution 106: “. . . ‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid”
* Resolution 111: “. . . ‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people”
* Resolution 127: “. . . ‘recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem”
* Resolution 162: “. . . ‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions”
* Resolution 171: “. . . determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria”
* Resolution 228: “. . . ‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control”
* Resolution 237: “. . . ‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees”
* Resolution 248: “. . . ‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan”
* Resolution 250: “. . . ‘calls’ on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem”
* Resolution 251: “. . . ‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250″
* Resolution 252: “. . . ‘declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital”
* Resolution 256: “. . . ‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation”"
* Resolution 259: “. . . ‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation”
* Resolution 262: “. . . ‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport”
* Resolution 265: “. . . ‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan”
* Resolution 267: “. . . ‘censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem”
* Resolution 270: “. . . ‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon” * Resolution 271: “. . . ‘condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem”
* Resolution 279: “. . . ‘demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon”
* Resolution 280: “. . . ‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon”
* Resolution 285: “. . . ‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon”
* Resolution 298: “. . . ‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem”
* Resolution 313: “. . . ‘demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon”
* Resolution 316: “. . . ‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon”
* Resolution 317: “. . . ‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon”
* Resolution 332: “. . . ‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon”
* Resolution 337: “. . . ‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty”
* Resolution 347: “. . . ‘condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon”
* Resolution 425: “. . . ‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon”
* Resolution 427: “. . . ‘calls’ on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon’
* Resolution 444: “. . . ‘deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces”
* Resolution 446: “. . . ‘determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ’serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention”
* Resolution 450: “. . . ‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon”
* Resolution 452: “. . . ‘calls’ on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories”
* Resolution 465: “. . . ‘deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program”
* Resolution 467: “. . . ’strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon”
* Resolution 468: “. . . ‘calls’ on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return”
* Resolution 469: “. . . ’strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians”
* Resolution 471: “. . . ‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention”
* Resolution 476: “. . . ‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claim to Jerusalem are ‘null and void’”
* Resolution 478: “. . . ‘censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’”
* Resolution 484: “. . . ‘declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors”
* Resolution 487: “. . . ’strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility”
* Resolution 497: “. . . ‘decides’ that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith”
* Resolution 498: “. . . ‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon”
* Resolution 501: “. . . ‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops”
* Resolution 509: “. . . ‘demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon”
* Resolution 515: “. . . ‘demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in”
* Resolution 517: “. . . ‘censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon”
* Resolution 518: “. . . ‘demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon”
* Resolution 520: “. . . ‘condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut”
* Resolution 573: “. . . ‘condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
* Resolution 587: “. . . ‘takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw”
* Resolution 592: “. . . ’strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops”
* Resolution 605: “. . . ’strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
* Resolution 607: “. . . ‘calls’ on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
* Resolution 608: “. . . ‘deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians”
* Resolution 636: “. . . ‘deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
* Resolution 641: “. . . ‘deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
* Resolution 672: “. . . ‘condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
* Resolution 673: “. . . ‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
* Resolution 681: “. . . ‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
* Resolution 694: “. . . ‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
* Resolution 726: “. . . ’strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
* Resolution 799: “. . . ’strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.

Robertson S. Henry   January 15th, 2009 6:35 pm ET

is it strange that the Israelis bombed the UN compound? is it strange that the international press is not allowed in? and is it strange that the US have not publicly condemn Israel for its actions.

we cannot sincerely want peace in the middle east when the occupier continues to violate UN resolutions, was able to develop a nuclear arsenal with the aiding and abetting of the USA, cross the borders of soVerign countries and carry out acts of sabotage and nothing for it, and the USA does not want to recognise HAMAS and other groups.

As long as the bullying continue, as long as there is not equitable recog nition of the peoples, and the USA leave Israel to pay fo rits short comings, then the middle east will become a death trap for people the Arabs believe are not sincere in seeking peace.

president elect Barak Obama must convene an international conference of every one with no pre-conditions set – HAMAS, HEZBOLLAH, all ARAB states, ISRAEL, and all other groups from the Palestinian people.

that meeting must be for owning up to past mistakes, recognition of the god given right of all to live in peace and harmony, that the Palestinian people must have unhindered access to development, and Israel must be recognize by the Arab nations just as Israel must step back and live by the dictates of un resolutions.

Debs   January 15th, 2009 6:38 pm ET

Hello to All,

Solomon, Beny, Dan

Where are you guys?? Have you abandoned blog?? I know its tough but people need to keep talking. Open Dialogue.

The UN compound should never have been attacked. These people are trying their hardest to assist those in need of care.

Aid workers are often targets in warzones all over the world. They are unarmed and should be respected.

When making this comment I am not just asking the IDF to refrain from attacking aid staff and civilians but also Hamas, funny how when Hamas attack aid staff and harm their own civilians it doesnt get mentioned.

The people of Palestine are suffering needlessly and all of this could be solved if BOTH sides lay down arms and work on resolution.

What has all of this acheived?? more Palestinians and Israeli dead! This is an absoloute travesty and waste of human life.

Salam and Shalom to all

Dr M.Arif Mahmood   January 15th, 2009 7:04 pm ET

First one is A very active member of resistance troops

He is all terror

Second one was using his legs to run which cause a lot of terrifying to Israel people

Third one was hunted with her family by a concentrated air strike on her house

Fourth one is active member of Aksa Troops

House of some terrorists have been bombed by accurate air strike

Fifth one is one of dangerous members of Kassam Troops

Some terrorists were hunted down by smart bombs

terrorist have been injured and will never be able to keep terrifying Israel

Terrorists brothers and sisters

Seventh terrorist has been hunted down by apache

Let her cry for her family

The most dangerous terrorists ever

Reza   January 15th, 2009 7:10 pm ET

Hi everybody;

This event once again showed the inability of international organizations like UN in supporting real peace in the world.
Israeli criminals just do whatever they want because they are sure nobody can stop them; because U.S., western and Arab governments are silent.
It seems that for many people in the world today human beings in Palestine are less worthy than western human beings!! A lady from Palestine living in Netherlands told me a few days ago that the hearts of many people around the world have already died.

Shame on Israel; shame on U.S. and shame on Egypt.
One day either in this world or in the "day of justice" all those who have helped Israel will be punished by God Almighty.

Geea   January 15th, 2009 7:33 pm ET

On one side over a 1000 death...mostly civilans...women and children...on the other 14.....militaries. Where is the fairnes of war there! Nothing...absolutely nothing justifies the demise of those inocent childrens!

dan perman   January 15th, 2009 7:49 pm ET

debs

i have no intention whatsoever to participate in the antisemitic tirades of professor, akiva and the other lunatics on this blog

i have no respect for them, they do not know what the word "truth" means and they are abusive. they did not hesitate to make linda so upset with their abusive behaviour that she left the blogs

i see no use in being here, they have hijacked the blog and use it for their own devious purposes

so why bother, debs? why?

Debs   January 15th, 2009 7:58 pm ET

I was upset at Linda leaving last night and told akiva and others off for what they did.

I am sorry.

I guess I will just need to wait until the "normal people" come back.

Its a real shame that this situation is so grave and humans are dying and all these people want to do is be hateful and dishonest.

I enjoyed talking with you Dan. Beny and Solomon too.

Till next time.

Salam and Shalom to all

Jordan   January 15th, 2009 8:11 pm ET

Magio, I think you should take a moment to look at reality.

Gaza has 1.5 million residents and is considered one of the most densely packed places on earth. The rough biased estimate provided by Palestinians is that 1,010 have been killed, half of which THEY say are Hamas.

So in 3 WEEKS of bombing and "sieging" one of the most densely populated areas of land on the planet, roughly 500 civilians have been killed. You said yourself that Israel has some of the most advanced weaponry available... Thus... either Israeli troops have incredibly poor aim resulting in way fewer deaths than they intend OR the IDF is going through great pains to avoid civilian casualties while Hamas openly admits to using human shields. Like I mentioned before, look at Darfur, Russian action in Chechnya, Somalia, the Kosovo War and wake up! You obviously have either been brainwashed or just don't live in reality. Do you even know what a janjaweed militia is? Or how they were created? It is very clearly you who has no idea what's going on.

In Congo a few weeks ago, 400 civilians were massacred in a church in one night. In Gaza over a 3 week period it is alleged that 500 were killed... Now you tell me how you can possibly justify anything you said. Israel could quite easily just carpet bomb the entire area and obliterate everyone, but they DON'T. Why? Because Israel values life. Hamas preaches and values death. That's why they plant IED's next to gas stations with the intent of destroying entire neighborhoods, the civilian population with it... And last, those very same UNWRA people today admitted that they actually have employed Hamas and Islamic Jihad members at their schools and compounds... so no wonder the mortars and such are being launched from them.
Everyone who doesn't see what is happening can return to la-la land. Either know the whole story or don't make a fool of yourself.

Professor... calling yourself "Professor" does little to support intelligence, as what you write lacks an indication of it thereof. Muslims have killed each other more than anyone in history have killed anyone. Sunni and Shiite consistently murdered each other throughout history since the day the Prophet Muhammad passed. Lest you forget the prominent Shiite holiday that just passed and why it is a holiday... (as an example). Second, Hamas has openly stated that they would view any foreign group, international monitor or not as occupiers and subject them to attacks. Recently, they stated they would be ok with Turkish troops at the Rafah crossing only with very specific restrictions, thus making them useless. This is publicly stated. Perhaps it is you who should check your facts.

"It's the Occupation... Stupid" is a clever line however the "Three No's" given by the Arab League after 1967 at the Khartoum Summit doesn't really help your case either. And terrorism against Israel existed well before it captured the land in the 1967 war, heck, it's even one of the causes OF the 1967 war! So in response, I'll use another quote...
"The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." This defines the situation in Gaza particularly after Israel left. Instead of building an economy and creating a viable atmosphere for the creation of a state, Hamas sabotaged the interests of the Palestinian people to serve their own Islamist agenda and commitment to the destruction of Israel. History does not lie. This is recent. You don't have to like it, but it is what happened.

"There will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate Israel"

"The day the Arabs put down their weapons there will be peace. The day Israel puts down its weapons there won't be an Israel."

These quotes have never been more true.

dan perman   January 15th, 2009 8:27 pm ET

jordan

why do you bother to reason with these ignorami?

IRE   January 15th, 2009 8:27 pm ET

There should be at least severe economic sanctions towards Israel. They can not bomb down a city (like they did in Lebanon) because of two missing soldiers.
They can distroy the Gaza strip making the crazy argument that this is for peace!! Peace is never going to be achieved by kiling inocent people, and shame the US always backing these terror!!!

dan perman   January 15th, 2009 8:31 pm ET

ire

try to learn the truth before you write nonsense

isarel did not bomb anybody "because of two missing soldiers"

isarel is not destroying the gaza strip. if isarel wanted to destroy the gaza strip, do you think it would take 20 days and still houses would be standing? how naive can you get?

IRE   January 15th, 2009 8:41 pm ET

dan,
I am afraid that you are the naive. You know that Israel has the power to wipe out the whole middle east as US has the power to do the same. We live (or are trying to live) in a modern international world so both countries will always play in the very border, they cannot go all the way because it is going to be not acceptable.
For all you want the play the victim you should see that there is a big disproportion on the magnitude of the attacks. Also is time to learn that the more you mortify a population the more difficult is to remove these terrorist organizations. You also try to learn the true

miriam   January 15th, 2009 8:41 pm ET

'Why was the UN compound hit?'

Easy. Hamas was firing from there.

John Ging can claim what he wants based on the 'honest' information he gets from his employees.

Just don't forget that UNRWA employs Hamas members, as admitted by Ging's predecessor.

Jordan   January 15th, 2009 8:49 pm ET

Dan, if we don't at least try to reason with them, we're no better than they are. It's the only way to peace.

dan perman   January 15th, 2009 8:49 pm ET

ire

disproportion?

since when is war a mathematical equation? israel should appologize for having built shelters for its citizens?

The basic objective of any warring party is to inflict maximal damage on the enemy while minimizing its own casualties. Was there anything proportional about the British waging war in the Falklands? Or about Iraq's invasion of Kuwait for that matter? Or about Russia's recent war against Georgia? Israel is doing exactly what any other country has done in the past. This is how war works.

Would a British citizen complain that "too few" British soldiers are being killed in Iraq? Probably not.

And on a more elementary note: Palestinian military inferiority is not an indication of moral superiority. Palestinian insistence on resorting to violence despite this military weakness is an indication of poor judgment perhaps – yet it is by no means an indication of moral virtue. Being militarily weak does not make the Palestinians ri

dan perman   January 15th, 2009 8:50 pm ET

jordan

reason with akiva? mohammed? the "professor"?

you are either kidding or naive. i hope the former

IRE   January 15th, 2009 9:03 pm ET

Dan,
war is not logical nor it is fair. I am a jew for peace and against war.
Israel is doing exactly the same that Russia did on Georgia, with the difference that US considers that in thiscase is fair???
. I will condem any atrocity against humanity no matter who inflicts them.
By the way the war in Iraq enters the same category.

dan perman   January 15th, 2009 9:06 pm ET

ire

you condemn any atrocity?

then condemn this, before you condemn israel ( i can cite you many more heroic incidents like this):

An Israeli woman in her eighth month of pregnancy and her four daughters were killed this afternoon when two terrorists opened fire at Israeli cars traveling on the Kissufim-Gush Katif road in the Gaza Strip. Soldiers shot the terrorists dead, but only after an explosive device at the scene detonated, wounding three soldiers, two of them with moderate-to-serious injuries.

The victims of the attack were identified as Tali Hatuel, 34, and her daughters Hila (11), Hadar (9), Roni (7) and Merav (2). Tali's husband was not in the car at the time of the attack, ynet reported. The Hatuels lived on the Gush Katif settlement of Katif.

The Hamas terrorist organization claimed responsibility for the terror attack, Channel Ten television reported. Palestinian sources said, however, that the attack was a joint effort of Islamic Jihad and the Fatah's Popular Resistance Committees, media sources reported.

Police said the terrorists hit Tali Hatuel as she drove, causing her car to swerve from the road, then approached the car and executed her and her children at close range.

The attack occurred when the two gunmen, apparently residents of Dir el-Balah, began firing at Israeli cars on the road. Police said the mother was shot, causing the Hatuel's white Citroen to swerve off the road. The attackers approached the vehicle and shot the mother and her children with "killing shots" at close range. At least one civilian in another car was also injured.

dan perman   January 15th, 2009 9:09 pm ET

ire

and how about all of this:

disco bombing in tel aviv
mall bombing in natanya
bus station bombing in hadera
passover massacre in natanya
bus bombing in beit lid
pizzeria bombing in jerusalem
reataurant bombings in haifa
bus bombings in jerusalem
bus bombing in tel aviv
........

dan perman   January 15th, 2009 9:10 pm ET

and how about thousands of rockets deliberately targetting civilians from gaza only since israel left gaza?

tarek sherif   January 15th, 2009 9:14 pm ET

SHAME ON YOU CNN
IS THAT ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY ON A MAJOR GENEVA CONVENTION VIOLATION , HITTING RELIEF UN HUMANITARIAN CENTRE DEPRIVING THE GAZANS OF ANY HUMAN TREATMENT BECAUSE LAMPOSTS HAVE BEEN HIT IN SEDROT

SHAME ON YOU CNN

IRE   January 15th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

I do condem ALL that. Those are horrible atrocities no doubt.

Just that the violent responses by Israel are going to cause more and not less of the same. Israel is a modern state with quite a good control over its population. This is not the case for the Palestinians, most of this terrorists acts are comitted by terrorist I do not think that the Palestinian goverment can have complete control over the terrorist. Even a modern state like Israel cannot stop all the settlers.
This attacs are just fuel for more terrorism, no matter how many hammas people are killed many more are going to join them after this massacre.

miriam   January 15th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

dan perman, and before Israel left Gaza.

Jordan   January 15th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

Dan, I said "try"... never said anything about expecting success...

outsideobserver   January 15th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Seems like there are those here who still like bashing the USA, and those who say it is Hamas that is to blame for it all.
I am sure the truth lies somewhere in between.

One thing is for sure, people suffer on both sides.
How to end this? Why dont both sides put weapons aside and start teaching respect and acceptance of different views?
I do not think it will happen any time soon. I am sure there are many Israelis that are very foolish in returning violence to Palestinians.
On the other side, the Palestinians are just digging this hole for themselves (of course, I am speaking of governments since I bet the average Palestinian just wants to live and have some peace).
Why the rockets if you know that it is what angers Israel. You know this will make them respond so why tempt them? Stop the rockets and you will see, Israel will have no excuse to walk all over you. Then you will be the legitimate complain party should Israel do anything without cause – and I bet the international community would stand with you. However, your government chooses to remain ignorant and continues to provoke for the sake of ego (you must stop before we do talk).
You are just playing into Israel's hands. They will respond, and you would too if the roles were reversed.

And the Israelis do know that this is making the innocents pay for all this, since the Hamas leaders are well hidden. The average person pays for this, not really Hamas.
Plus the choking off all places where Palestine can breathe and do something decent for itself won't help your cause.

So where does this lead? Right where we are today....Israel won't stop since they wait for Hamas, and Hamas won't stop since they wait for Israel. Well, this has been llike this for how long?

You are always proud of saying civilization was born in that area. Why don't you show the world that this same civilization has not left that area, and that you are the better party for just stopping this circle. If you don't you won't be known as the facilitator of peace, you will be known as the facilitator of violence.

No one can make you choose – just remember, your leaders do not often pay for their decisions, it is the every day citizen that just wanted to live through the day, that will pay the price (on both sides).

IRE   January 15th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

jordan,
success is difficult when you do not have a solid argument....

bold bill   January 15th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

Is Israel a democratic country? Is it a country that wants peace? Did its people forget the Holocaust or r they revenging it? What on earth are these people?

bold bill   January 15th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

Israel is proving that it is not targeting Hamas. It wants to deprive every Palestinian of the means of life. The UN is paying the price for helping them. What is the message Israel is giving the world?

Are any attacks now or in the near and distant future against Israel justufued after what it has been doing?

bold bill   January 15th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

If Israel were to have everything it is doing to the Palestinian would happen to its people, what would it do?

blood is red   January 15th, 2009 10:55 pm ET

January 10th, 2009 625 GMT

Just to know the truth from the man who support the creation of ISRAEL

Washington DC, USA, Friday, July 11, 2003

Harry Truman’s Forgotten Diary 1947

Writings Offer Fresh Insight on the President

By Rebecca Dana and Peter Carlson
Washington Post Staff Writers

“THE JEWS, I find are very, very selfish,” President Harry S. Truman wrote in a 1947 diary that was recently discovered on the shelves of the Truman Library in Independence, Mo., and released by the National Archives yesterday.

Written sporadically during a turbulent year of Truman’s presidency, the diary contains about 5,500 words on topics ranging from the death of his mother to comic banter with a British aristocrat. But the most surprising comments were Truman’s remarks on Jews, written on July 21, 1947, after the president had a conversation with Henry Morganthau [sic. Morgenthau], his Jewish treasury secretary. Morganthau called to talk about a Jewish ship in Palestine — possibly the Exodus, the legendary ship carrying 4,500 Jewish refugees who were refused entry into Palestine by the British, then rulers of that land.
,” Truman wrote. “The Jews have no sense of proportion nor do they have any judgement (sic) on world affairs. Henry brought a thousand Jews to New York on a supposedly temporary basis and they stayed.”
Truman then went into a rant about Jews:

“The Jews, I find, are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog. Put an underdog on top and it makes no difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, Labor, Mormon, Baptist he goes haywire. I’ve found very, very few who remember their past condition when prosperity comes.”
Yesterday, those comments startled scholars because Truman is known as a president who acted to help Jews in postwar Europe and who supported recognition of Israel in 1948, when his State Department opposed it.

“My reaction is: Wow! It did surprise me because of what I know about Truman’s record,” says Sara J. Bloomfield, director of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum. “Truman’s sympathy for the plight of Jews was very apparent.”

blood is red   January 15th, 2009 10:56 pm ET

Israel doesn’t want a democratic independent Palestinian state without Hamas. If this was possible then not any excuse valid for the Israelis to stop Palestinians asking for their rights and what lawfully belong to them .Also in absolute freedom they will be able to breed like crazy with non stop.
Hamas not want a democratic Palestinian state where people live in peace and prosperity. Because without fear you can’t control people and implement your extreme fanatic policies.
The Arab rulers they hold the power without real and free elections need Israel attacking Palestinians, to keep the mind of their people full of hate and then no one will talk about freedom and democracy challenging the ruling class and the religious fanatics controlling the crowd with promises in heaven.
The Americans want Hamas and other extremists alive and not really dead because if the Middle East issue can resolve then the Israelis not have anymore the excuse that they lives are under threat and they should stop play the sheriff in the region protecting USA interests.
Maybe I am wrong or maybe I am right?

blood is red   January 15th, 2009 11:06 pm ET

The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy

by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy

John J. Mearsheimer
Department of Political Science
University of Chicago

Stephen M. Walt
John F. Kennedy School of Government
Harvard University

March 2006
RWP06-011

The two authors of this Working Paper are solely responsible for the views expressed in it. As academic institutions, Harvard University and the University of Chicago do not take positions on the scholarship of the individual faculty, and this article not should be interpreted or portrayed as reflecting the official position of either institution. It is reprinted on Antiwar.com with permission.

An edited and reworked version of this paper was published in the London Review of Books Vol. 28, No. 6 (March 23, 2006), and is available online at http://www.lrb.co.uk.

THE ISRAEL LOBBY AND U.S. FOREIGN POLICY

U.S. foreign policy shapes events in every corner of the globe. Nowhere is this truer than in the Middle East, a region of recurring instability and enormous strategic importance. Most recently, the Bush Administration’s attempt to transform the region into a community of democracies has helped produce a resilient insurgency in Iraq, a sharp rise in world oil prices, and terrorist bombings in Madrid, London, and Amman. With so much at stake for so many, all countries need to understand the forces that drive U.S. Middle East policy.

The U.S. national interest should be the primary object of American foreign policy. For the past several decades, however, and especially since the Six Day War in 1967, the centerpiece of U.S. Middle East policy has been its relationship with Israel. The combination of unwavering U.S. support for Israel and the related effort to spread democracy throughout the region has inflamed Arab and Islamic opinion and jeopardized U.S. security.

This situation has no equal in American political history. Why has the United States been willing to set aside its own security in order to advance the interests of another state? One might assume that the bond between the two countries is based on shared strategic interests or compelling moral imperatives. As we show below, however, neither of those explanations can account for the remarkable level of material and diplomatic support that the United States provides to Israel.

Instead, the overall thrust of U.S. policy in the region is due almost entirely to U.S. domestic politics, and especially to the activities of the "Israel Lobby." Other special interest groups have managed to skew U.S. foreign policy in directions they favored, but no lobby has managed to divert U.S. foreign policy as far from what the American national interest would otherwise suggest, while simultaneously convincing Americans that U.S. and Israeli interests are essentially identical.1

In the pages that follow, we describe how the Lobby has accomplished this feat, and how its activities have shaped America’s actions in this critical region. Given the strategic importance of the Middle East and its potential impact on others, both Americans and non-Americans need to understand and address the Lobby’s influence on U.S. policy.

Some readers will find this analysis disturbing, but the facts recounted here are not in serious dispute among scholars. Indeed, our account relies heavily on the work of Israeli scholars and journalists, who deserve great credit for shedding light on these issues. We also rely on evidence provided by respected Israeli and international human rights organizations. Similarly, our claims about the Lobby’s impact rely on testimony from the Lobby’s own members, as well as testimony from politicians who have worked with them. Readers may reject our conclusions, of course, but the evidence on which they rest is not controversial.

THE GREAT BENEFACTOR

Since the October War in 1973, Washington has provided Israel with a level of support dwarfing the amounts provided to any other state. It has been the largest annual recipient of direct U.S. economic and military assistance since 1976 and the largest total recipient since World War II. Total direct U.S. aid to Israel amounts to well over $140 billion in 2003 dollars.2 Israel receives about $3 billion in direct foreign assistance each year, which is roughly one-fifth of America’s foreign aid budget. In per capita terms, the United States gives each Israeli a direct subsidy worth about $500 per year.3 This largesse is especially striking when one realizes that Israel is now a wealthy industrial state with a per capita income roughly equal to South Korea or Spain.4

Israel also gets other special deals from Washington.5 Other aid recipients get their money in quarterly installments, but Israel receives its entire appropriation at the beginning of each fiscal year and thus earns extra interest. Most recipients of American military assistance are required to spend all of it in the United States, but Israel can use roughly twenty-five percent of its aid allotment to subsidize its own defense industry. Israel is the only recipient that does not have to account for how the aid is spent, an exemption that makes it virtually impossible to prevent the money from being used for purposes the United States opposes, like building settlements in the West Bank.

Moreover, the United States has provided Israel with nearly $3 billion to develop weapons systems like the Lavi aircraft that the Pentagon did not want or need, while giving Israel access to top-drawer U.S. weaponry like Blackhawk helicopters and F-16 jets. Finally, the United States gives Israel access to intelligence that it denies its NATO allies and has turned a blind eye towards Israel’s acquisition of nuclear weapons.6

In addition, Washington provides Israel with consistent diplomatic support. Since 1982, the United States has vetoed 32 United Nations Security Council resolutions that were critical of Israel, a number greater than the combined total of vetoes cast by all the other Security Council members.7 It also blocks Arab states’ efforts to put Israel’s nuclear arsenal on the International Atomic Energy Agency’s agenda.8

The United States also comes to Israel’s rescue in wartime and takes its side when negotiating peace. The Nixon Administration re-supplied Israel during the October War and protected Israel from the threat of Soviet intervention. Washington was deeply involved in the negotiations that ended that war as well as the lengthy "step-by-step" process that followed, just as it played a key role in the negotiations that preceded and followed the 1993 Oslo Accords.9 There were occasional frictions between U.S. and Israeli officials in both cases, but the United States coordinated its positions closely with Israel and consistently backed the Israeli approach to the negotiations. Indeed, one American participant at Camp David (2000) later said, "far too often, we functioned . . . as Israel’s lawyer."10

As discussed below, Washington has given Israel wide latitude in dealing with the occupied territories (the West Bank and Gaza Strip), even when its actions were at odds with stated U.S. policy. Moreover, the Bush Administration’s ambitious strategy to transform the Middle East – beginning with the invasion of Iraq – is at least partly intended to improve Israel’s strategic situation. Apart from wartime alliances, it is hard to think of another instance where one country has provided another with a similar level of material and diplomatic support for such an extended period. America’s support for Israel is, in short, unique.

This extraordinary generosity might be understandable if Israel were a vital strategic asset or if there were a compelling moral case for sustained U.S. backing. But neither rationale is convincing.

blood is red   January 15th, 2009 11:15 pm ET

Middle East studies in the News
Academic Freedom Declines Across the United States [mentions Juan Cole, Rashid Khalidi, Joseph Massad, Nadia Abu El-Haj, Wadie Said]
by Terri Ginsberg and Rima Abdelkader
November 25, 2006
Please note: This piece was written by Ithaca College professor Terri Ginsberg and New York-based journalist Rima Abdelkader.
Historian Tony Judt, Professor of European Studies at New York University , was scheduled to speak on the Israeli Lobby and American Foreign Policy at the Polish Consulate in New York City in October. Due to pressure from two Jewish American organizations, the Anti-Defamation League and the American Jewish Committee, his talk was cancelled. Judt had also been scheduled to speak on the same topic at Manhattan College , but that speech was canceled due to similar pressures. The ADL and the AJC believe that Judt, a Jewish American, is too critical of State of Israel and as such, should not be allowed to speak publicly on that topic.
In September, University of Colorado's Chancellor Phil DiStefano announced that his university would consider firing tenured Ethnic Studies Professor Ward Churchill for his criticism of the Bush Administration and its handling of the events of 9/11. Churchill is currently being subjected to university censure for research misconduct by an appointed outside faculty review committee comprised of faculty members from chosen campuses around the country.
The Judt and Churchill cases are not unique. Since the events of 9/11 and the subsequent U.S.-led military invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq , U.S. campuses have become a battleground for an increasing number of publicly scrutinized attacks on professors whose teaching and research entail criticism of Zionism and of U.S. and Israeli policy in the Middle East . Each attack has involved blatant violations of academic freedom that have gone largely unchecked despite protest from faculty, unions, and scholarly organizations.
Perhaps more troubling is the case of Professor Douglas Giles. Unlike Churchill, untenured adjunct Giles was fired from Roosevelt University in Chicago in November 2005 for using the concept of Zionism as a demonstrative example in his Comparative Religion course. Giles was told by his dean that no classroom discussion of religion is permissible that may be construed as offensive to students of a particular faith.
More recently, University of Michigan Professor Juan Cole was denied a Middle East Studies position at Yale after pressure from neoconservative donors and media pundits who expressed objection to Cole's public criticisms of Israel. Cole is former president of the Middle East Studies Association of North America.
The most notorious of these cases occurred at Columbia University in New York in Spring 2005. Professors Hamid Dabashi, Rashid Khalidi, and Joseph Massad, among others, who teach at Columbia's Middle East and Asian Languages and Cultures (MEALAC) Department, were investigated by a university-appointed non-faculty committee after The David Project accused them of anti-Semitism, and media pundits, elected officials, real estate developers and wealthy donors began demanding that Columbia dismiss them. In the end, Columbia's investigative committee was unable to substantiate the accusatory claims.
In the U.S. , academic freedom is a constitutionally guaranteed right meant to protect the role of the university as a site for producing knowledge where its aim is to serve the public good. As citizens or residents of the U.S. , academic scholars are endowed with the right to speak publicly, outside the academic sphere, on issues that may or may not pertain to their fields of disciplinary expertise. In addition, academic freedom stipulates that scholars, not elected officials, private interests, or media pundits, are the ones authorized and entitled to make collective decisions about academic knowledge, and about what may or may not be published and professed.
Regrettably, we are in a time and place where scholars are being intimidated from openly discussing subjects they teach or topics about which they feel strongly unless their ideas align with particular schools of thought, especially with regard to Zionism and to U.S. and Israeli policy in the Middle East. As we write, academics and university employees in the U.K. are being encouraged to spy on students who appear South Asian or Middle Eastern and who the British government suspects of supporting Islamic extremism. In addition to this, attempts are being made by neoconservatives to block both the hire of Wadie Said, son of the late Edward Said, by Wayne State University Law School in Michigan , and the tenure of anthropologist Nadia Abu El-Haj, author of a book that criticizes Israeli archaeology at Barnard College in New York .
If it is truly contributive to the public good, academia must be responsive to public issues and concerns and must treat scholars who speak publicly in accordance with accepted, usual and customary norms of scholarly practice. Political litmus tests should not be used as criteria for academic appointments, tenure, or promotion, nor should accusations of anti-Semitism be made indiscriminately against scholars who articulate legitimate criticisms of Zionism and of U.S. and Israeli policy in the Middle East . If elected officials, university administrations, mainstream journalists, and responsible citizens do not speak out and take action against these draconian measures, they will become guilty of facilitating the death of free speech in what may be its last bastion, academia.
Terri Ginsberg is most recently Adjunct Professor of Cinema Studies at Ithaca College , and a member of the International Jewish Solidarity Network (IJSN) http://www.jewishsolidarity.info.
Rima Abdelkader is a NY correspondent and a member of the Network of Arab-American Professionals of New York (NAAP-NY) http://www.naaponline.org/ny/.
Note: Articles listed under "Middle East studies in the News" provide information on current developments concerning Middle East studies on North American campuses. These reports do not necessarily reflect the views of Campus Watch and do not necessarily correspond to Campus Watch's critique.

blood is red   January 15th, 2009 11:24 pm ET

The Israelis bomb UN because of respect and gratitude!
NOW every one know how they respect the UN resolutions XA XA XA !

United Nations, 1947, Resolution 181 approves the creation of Israel, the Jewish State
IsraPundit has an excellent article on UN resolution 181 that brought into existence the State of Israel. United Nations General Assembly resolution 181 called for the partition of the British-ruled palestine mandate [the 25% that was left of the mandated land, see the History page for details] into a Jewish State and an Arab State.
David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first Prime Minister Israel's Independence, 1948
Today is the 55th anniversary of the UN vote on resolution 181, which approved the partition of the western part Palestine into a predominately Jewish state and a predominately Arab state. (It is vital to recall that the UN partition plan referred to western Palestine, to underscore that in 1921 the eastern part was ripped off the Jewish National Home by the British Government and handed over to the then Emir Abdullah.)
The partition plan was approved by 33 to 13, with 10 abstentions.
The 33 countries that cast the “Yes” vote were: Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Byelorussia, Canada, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, Liberia, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Sweden, Ukraine, Union of South Africa, USSR, USA, Uruguay, Venezuela. (Among other countries, the list includes the US, the three British Dominions, all the European countries except for Greece and the UK, but including all the Soviet-block countries.)
The 13 countries that chose the Hall of Shame and voted “No” were: Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen. (Ten of these are Moslem countries; Greece has the special distinction of being the only European country to have joined the Hall of Shame.)
The ten countries that abstained are: Argentina, Chile, China, Colombia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Honduras, Mexico, United Kingdom, Yugoslavia.
On November 30, 1947, the day following the vote, the Palestinian Arabs murdered six Jews in a bus making its way to Jerusalem, and proceeded to murder another Jew in the Tel-Aviv – Jaffa area. This was a prelude to a war that claimed the lives of 6,000 Jews, or 1% of the total Jewish population in 1948. This toll is the per capita equivalent of today’s Canada losing 300,000 lives, or the US losing 3,000,000. In addition, immediately after the UN vote, Arabs attacks their Jewish neighbours in a number of Arab countries, the murders in Syria’s Aleppo being the best known.
Bruised and bleeding, Israel prevailed nonetheless. May our sister-democracy thrive and flourish.
Many racists anti-Zionists believe that Israel came into being only after war and bloodshed. Indeed her Arab/Muslim neighbors did attack and lost many wars since 1948 (see the History page for details), but the State of Israel was created with the United Nations blessings.
The resolution was accepted by the Jews in the British mandate of Palestine, yet rejected by the Arabs in the mandate and the Arab states. Thanks to Nicole D. for the excellent tip on posting the details of UN resolution 181 and thanks to IsraPundit for the great research.

blood is red   January 16th, 2009 12:39 am ET

The Five Dancing Israelis
Arrested On 9-11
On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attacks would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: "It's very good…….Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)"

As the world watched in disbelief and asked the question...

...Mossad operatives were seen dancing with joy.
A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.
The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards
Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery
"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness.
[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage.
Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot.
"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park."
"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."
US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring.

"By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Motto of the Mossad

blood is red   January 16th, 2009 12:41 am ET

Dan perman or you are blind or you are idiot Cheers

Debs   January 16th, 2009 3:49 am ET

This is terrible. Everybody stop being so abusive to each other please!

whoa   January 16th, 2009 3:56 am ET

its all hamas fault . i hope they keep bombing them fools....

David Freeman   January 16th, 2009 7:26 am ET

To: blood is red

You have good very good points on your posts, but try to limit your posts length to encourage debate and not to look like press releases.. so please accommodate this request brother
thanks

valkyrie22   January 16th, 2009 9:16 am ET

If we Americans had any INTEGRITY left we would order the arrest of LIVNI for war crimes and turn her and her conspirators over to the International Criminal Court in the Hague, Netherlands just like famous other war criminals ariel sharon and milosevich.

David Freeman   January 16th, 2009 9:33 am ET

to: valkyrie22

What are you talking about.. have you heard of AIPAC?? We American can not do anything without their blessing

valkyrie22   January 16th, 2009 9:40 am ET

There is no doubt that the extremist islamic fringe is dangerous. And we should put this in perspective; Palestinian children are shot for sport by IOF ( Israeli occupation forces) for throwing rocks at tanks, Hamas militants shoot small ,ineffective rockets into israel to resist the starvation and slow genocide happening to their children because the world has done virtually nothing to stop the war crimes in the Gaza concentration camp. Sounds like American Freedom fighters to me. They have every right to resist .
Compare this to the fact that according to the CIA, Israel maintains an arsenal of 200-400 nuclear weapons ( stolen from US technology) which it uses to threaten the rest of the world with. So who has the REAL Weapons of Mass Destruction? Wake up my fellow Americans! The Israelis are the REAL TERRORISTS and they want our future generation to die for them so they can continue their Black Magic on the World.

valkyrie22   January 16th, 2009 9:47 am ET

Yes, David Freeman, AIPAC is really MOSAAD in the US.They do not represent our interests. But I agree with Evelyn in Canada – the most effective thing that is already working is to boycott israeli goods. go to boycottisraeligoods.org

Samuel   January 16th, 2009 10:10 am ET

Why is the U.N still giving humanitarian aid to people in Gaza.These people in Gaza are either Egyptian citizens or West Bank Jordanians,so the question is why doesn,t Egypt exercise control over it,s sovereign territory and send the so called Palestinians back to Jordan where they really belong. Maybe the little puppet and his mistress in Aman can elaborate on this ?

David Freeman   January 16th, 2009 10:39 am ET

Akiva Heifetz

The politicians are mainly blackmailed by the Zionists here in the U.S they have a file on every politician on capitol Hill . Did you know the following are Israeli companies?

Amdocs- generate and phone records on almost all Americans- Investigate by the FBI

Comverse- company that does the phone tapping for all law enforcement agencies including the FBI- well they are spying on our politicians and blackmailing them- even the FBI investigated them .. but couldn’t get too deep because of pressure from some politicians – high up in Washington to back off.. they don’t want the dirt out

David Freeman   January 16th, 2009 10:50 am ET

valkyrie22
I have a much better and more powerful way of changing the current situation..:)

Jihad   January 16th, 2009 1:31 pm ET

If the Arab world woke up one morning and discovered all the Israelis were gone.... Not one left in Israel.... They all left in the middle of the night and settled on a remote island in the Pacific somewhere.... Would the militants still try to locate them and continue their attempt to annialate the Jews in the name of God?

Evelyn (Canada)   January 16th, 2009 3:28 pm ET

Since I became a grandmother on December 18th, I can't help but feel for all the Palestinians going through hell in Gaza right now, but my heart especially bleeds for all the new babies and their mothers. It takes time for a new mother's milk to come in, but when under stress this will not happen. Also, new mother's require sustenance in order to be able to produce milk, so most nursing mother's milk probably dried up long ago due to stress and lack of food and water. Now the Israeli's have bombed the supplies including baby formula, diapers and other necessities of life for newborn babies and toddlers. I only have one word for the current Israeli government: "Monsters".

sumday   January 16th, 2009 6:30 pm ET

To the Turk your crazy, Hamas deserve what they get. They fire rockets at Israel and expect them to do nothing? What they are getting is exactly what they want to happen to Israel. Hamas is the one that started this fight and now they are crying because they are losing. Yes if they use innocent lives as shield to hide behind then they are responsible for the innocent lives lost not Israel. If you stand behind a kid and shoot at me what am I suppose to do? Stand there and let you keep shooting at me because the kid is in the way? No I'm going to shoot back and the one hiding behind the kid is responsible for his death because he is the one who placed him in harms way. Israel has and does send supplies into Gaza and what do they get in return? rocket fire. Hamas returns evil for good. May God judge them for that! If I could volunteer for the Israel army I would because Hamas are lying evil people and the world would be a better place without them!

sumday   January 16th, 2009 6:50 pm ET

To the professor you are an idiot, when has Israel not tired to have peace with its neighbors? Maybe when their neighbors attacked them? Or was it when they call for them to be wiped off the map? How do you have peace with people like that? Perhaps you can be friends with an alligator too? Fact Palestine was never their land the British owned it and gave it to Israel, so the Palestine people have no legal claim to that land because that haven't been in control of it for hundreds of years. If you rent a house from me for 50 years and then I the owner ask you to move bc I'm selling the place do you have a legal claim to my house? NO! That is the same thing as Israel! The British owned it and then gave it away. Oh sense you claim to know the bible then you know God didn't abandon them and promised he would return them to their land (see Ezekiel and the dry bones), and then judge the world based on how they treated Israel. Muslim are in serious trouble when that judgment comes.

WhiteOwl   January 16th, 2009 6:57 pm ET

We are all hoping that Obama will bring change. America voted for change. America voted for peace. America voted for humanity and for brotherhood not for racism of any kind or for hatred of any kind. We all love our children and are horrified by the killing of civilians. The madness of the middle east has been awful to watch for decades.

sumday   January 16th, 2009 7:02 pm ET

I think Hamas set the UN building on fire to try and frame Israel and get more sympathy from the world. Hamas lie, and steal. They are wolves in sheep’s clothing. Fact is if the Muslim nations didn't have oil no one in the world would trust them or sympathize with them. Their religion only prospers bc it is based on the human nature of blaming everyone else but themselves, and they enforce that with violence and terror. Muslim hold the world in a choke hold bc of the oil they have. But that was their blessing from Abraham to have the fat of the land and that is it, the Jews blessing was to have Gods love, mercy and redemption. I'd trust a Jew with my life before I'd trust the Hamas with a penny.

Helen   January 16th, 2009 7:15 pm ET

The UN is legalizing genocide by sitting back and doing nothing. Which country will next be allowed to commit these atrocities and get away with them? The Israelis have always told the world, vehemently, that there was a holocaust. What do they think they are creating in Gaza? Don't blame Hamas only, they only have small armaments, but blame the Israelis and the Americans – the country that sold the armaments to Israel. Talk about weapons of mass destruction? Gee I wonder who has them???

Canada eh   January 16th, 2009 8:14 pm ET

OMG sumday have you been drinking your bathwater again? What rock did you crawl out from under to make such a ludicrous statement? Wake up and smell the coffee you dork and take a look at what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians for years. So much for the holocaust and learning from the mistakes of others. The Israelis care only for the Israelies. They want control of the Middle East and it's oil, that's it. They don't care that their soldiers put a oozie to the head of a baby who did nothing to deserve such torture. Something that will remain with that child into adulthood because of a smartass Isaraeli soldier trigger happy wanting to kill an Arab in the name of religion.

GLS   January 16th, 2009 8:21 pm ET

AS long as HAMAS wants to distroy Israel they will be and are the cause of this suffering. You can't Blame Israel for defending itself. This suffering is what Hamas wants. They don't want peace so the killing will go on and on. ISRAEL has as much a historical right to be in the middle east as the Palestinians. Until the radical groups come to terms with that the killing will continue. You people who HATE so much are helping to perpetuate this – STOP supporting HAMAS !

blood is red   January 16th, 2009 11:51 pm ET

January 16th, 2009 2344 GMT

To much blablablabla You are using the Holocaust(trademark) to abuse others
Just stopt he crap from your farting brain .

The international law said Bombing Areas where civilians lives to ratio 4000 and more to square kilometer is a war crime ,
Did you listen selfish idiots bastards of USA?

There is no question that Jews suffered greatly from the despicable legacy of anti-Semitism, and that Israel’s creation was an appropriate response to a long record of crimes. This history, as noted, provides a strong moral case for supporting Israel’s existence. But the creation of Israel involved additional crimes against a largely innocent third party: the Palestinians.

The history of these events is well-understood. When political Zionism began in earnest in the late 19th century, there were only about 15,000 Jews in Palestine.29 In 1893, for example, the Arabs comprised roughly 95 percent of the population, and though under Ottoman control, they had been in continuous possession of this territory for 1300 years.30 Even when Israel was founded, Jews were only about 35 percent of Palestine’s population and owned 7 percent of the land.

The mainstream Zionist leadership was not interested in establishing a bi-national state or accepting a permanent partition of Palestine. The Zionist leadership was sometimes willing to accept partition as a first step, but this was a tactical maneuver and not their real objective. As David Ben-Gurion put it in the late 1930s, “After the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine.”

To achieve this goal, the Zionists had to expel large numbers of Arabs from the territory that would eventually become Israel. There was simply no other way to accomplish their objective. Ben-Gurion saw the problem clearly, writing in 1941 that “it is impossible to imagine general evacuation [of the Arab population] without compulsion, and brutal compulsion.” Or as Israeli historian Benny Morris puts it, “the idea of transfer is as old as modern Zionism and has accompanied its evolution and praxis during the past century.”

This opportunity came in 1947-48, when Jewish forces drove up to 700,000 Palestinians into exile. Israeli officials have long claimed that the Arabs fled because their leaders told them to, but careful scholarship (much of it by Israeli historians like Morris) have demolished this myth. In fact, most Arab leaders urged the Palestinian population to stay home, but fear of violent death at the hands of Zionist forces led most of them to flee. After the war, Israel barred the return of the Palestinian exiles.
The fact that the creation of Israel entailed a moral crime against the Palestinian people was well understood by Israel’s leaders. As Ben-Gurion told Nahum Goldmann, president of the World Jewish Congress, “If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. . . . We come from Israel, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?”

David Freeman   January 17th, 2009 8:02 am ET

GLS
Nice argument… The Geneva convention has clearly established that the Aggressor in this case (Israel) has no claim of self defense since it is occupying other people’s land. What s your view??

antonio   January 17th, 2009 2:33 pm ET

Well done Hala! The headline asks: why was UN Compound hit? But no answer or hint about why in your post. It is widely known theIsraelis fire at Hamas targets. It is well known Hamass fires from or near the compound and the Israeli Army fired back, as it is its duty to do, it is their moral obligation. Now the UN knows Hamas does that. If the UN people were ethical they will tell Hamas: "If any Hamas fighter comes near UN compounds or within the UN will pull out from Gaza inmediately!" But no, the UN does not do that. The UN hopes the Israelis will not fire back and if they do and kill UN personnel the UN will criticize Israel, not itself for letting its employees be used as pawns by Hamas, not Hamas. It is the bloodthirsty Israelis who are massacring the Palestinian civilians!. Obviusly the Jews are so stupid or unethical to do that. Obviously too many non-Jews are sufficintly stupid and unethical to believe the Israelis do that.

I imagine how antisemitism starts and snowballs; Jews do something reasonable , or even do nothin at alla, but those who already hate the Jews manipulate the facts to turn sentiment against the Jews. Remember when in the Midle Ages during the Black Plague Jews were accused of poisoning the wells or of killing Christian Children, or of wanting to dominate the World. The snowball takes a speed ot its own but remember Hala, your biased comments help get things rolling.

What you should report: "Israel invades Gaza because Hamas has been launching rockets at Israeli civilians for months, even years and israel decided enough is enough. Wit total disregard from the safety of innocent civilian Palestinians, including innocent womern al children, Hamas launches the rockets from or near houses and other buildings, even schools and hospitals so that when the Israelis fight back will hit those houses, with people inside, schools or buildings. It is possible some Israeli fire sometimes errs the target also and civilians are killed. Some people feel Israell is overreacting. So far there is no evidence Israel intentionally aims at civillians, of course it can not be excluded because sometime soldiers misbehave".

But you will not do that, it would be too painful to report the facts. Unfortunately too many other reporters are also using Gaza as a fig leaf for their Anti Israel and Anti Jews bias.

Michael Derse   January 17th, 2009 3:38 pm ET

I haven't seen any proof of all these Hama attacks, I think the US media perpetuates the anti-Hamas hatred.

judi   January 17th, 2009 3:55 pm ET

Read the book of Zephania in the old testament of the
HOLY BIBLE
Gaza is prophisey being fulfilled!!!!!!!!!!
Just like Israeil was restored as a Nation in1948, May 15th!!!!!!!!!
Don't blame the U.S.A. "GOD IS WITH ISRAEIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Canada eh   January 17th, 2009 3:56 pm ET

ya think??? The Americans have a vested interest in how well the Israelis do. They are making all arabs suffer because of 9/11.

CAB   January 17th, 2009 5:47 pm ET

Why is it not fair for Israel and others to fight back against Hamas with overwhelming force no mater what. A some point all that needs to be done is a show of brute force, thats the only thing these terorist and thugs know. Its really sad when you have no problem strapping a bomb to yourself or firing a rocket indiscriminitly into cities but when the fight is brought back to you you run and cry how terrible the damage done to your people is. Almost like like stupid little children. Fact is war is war and death accompanies it. You don't want to fight don't be an aggressor.

CAB   January 17th, 2009 5:53 pm ET

And if everyone dosen't want civilians dead (Heaven forbid it has to happen) why not lay blame on Hamas. Not as if Israel is asking them to hide behind and do military operations behind civilians. When the enemy won't show itself as a real army and just run around the streets in normal clothing what do you expect.

Archie   January 17th, 2009 7:29 pm ET

I saw a CNN personality describe a certain weapon used in Gaza as "smoke for cover or perhaps used for illumination". As an old Infantryman from the Viet Nam era, I can tell you exactly what he was trying to describe. He was seeing the use of "air-burst white phosphorous, WP, a.k.a. willie pete". In my day it was used primarily in its ground-burst form. Its one of the most terrible anti-personnel weapons ever devised. It can burn through just about anything when exposed to oxygen. Buildings, vehicles, and most importantly . . . people. It will not stop buring as long as it has an oxygen source. The oxygen in water makes it worse because at this point not only is it burning through your body, but steam also begins to scauld you. We were taught to forget about trying to put it out and simply go to work with our bayonets and "dig it out". I know that most Vets saw this also.

leon   January 18th, 2009 3:37 am ET

@Judi, Come back to earth. The aliens are gone.
@Canada eh, be realistic.
@Archie,, You're right. I was a mortarman in the corp. That "was" willie pete. If they are using it, I have no sympathy for Israel. What they are doing
mounts to murder.

Steve Canada   January 18th, 2009 6:03 am ET

John Ging is possibly collaborating with Hamas

It seems he allows Hmas to take positions in UN buildings

John Ging must be held accountable

John Ging is a criminal

John Ging is the one to blame for Palestinians killed in UN buildings

John Ging must be investigated

shaul Hanuka   January 18th, 2009 6:17 am ET

I think Steve from Canada suffers from a Ging envy.
Dude you need some medication,
If you can't afford it try The WHO.

papaspud   January 18th, 2009 9:53 am ET

If the arabs are so worried about their "brothers in palestine", why doesn't egypt open their border to Gaza? And if the palestinians are so dear to the rest of the arab world why don't they let them migrate to their countries. You all talk love, but all I see is hate. Why can't Hamas stop firing rockets into Israel? There was no Israeli occupation until the Hamas "freedom fighters" started lobbing rockets into Israel. Then they hide like women amongst the women and children to save themselves. Have they no shame? They steal the food aid that is being sent in. Why don't the arabs take care of their own, instead it's the united states and europe that feed all of your people...thats right feed your people, and all we get is hate. We should just leave the area and let all of you kill each other, thats the only way things will be solved. We should have just left saddam in power in Iraq so he could kill more of his arab "brothers". I think you people must be insane.

Jer   January 18th, 2009 3:08 pm ET

To make an analogy for the US citizens reading this message board:
If one of our bordering countries were to send a single rocket into a populated city in the US you would be urging the government to bomb the hell out of that country. Directly after 9-11 there was virtually no resistance or public outcry against the war in Afghanistan. Yet, because of religious fanaticism, anti-semitism, or some misplaced sympathy for the Palestinian people, you believe that any military action that Israel takes is a war crime. Remember that Hamas was elected by the Palestinian people and any misery, hardship, or suffering brought onto them which is caused by the acts of Hamas is their own responsibility. They elected a terrorist organization as their government and are therefore responsible for their current situation. If Hamas would stop committing violent acts against Israel and specifically targeting Israeli citizens, then Israel would reopen the crossings and help with the economic situation in Gaza. After living in Israel for several months including the 3 weeks of this war, I can personally attest to the attitude of the majority of Israelis living here.

Vito 1502   January 18th, 2009 4:09 pm ET

When you plan to do things which you may not want folks with international relevance to see, you entice them to leave the area or outright bar them from being in the area.

This has been done in the past – bombing of the UN facility in Baghdad in 2003, which compelled the UN contingent to leave, and the Olympic Hotel where journalists were based.

By barring the international media from Gaza, you minimize the legitimacy of any reports coming from within Gaza – making it easier to label such as staged events or propaganda on the part of Hamas.

What we're seeing in Gaza is a power play on the part of the Israeli govt. They're demonstrating to the Gazans that their water, food, electricity, freedom of movement, access to medical care, and entire livlihood can be cutoff at will – and that their "freedom of choice" in the electoral process is not to the liking of the "democratic" Israeli govt.

As an occupying power, the Israeli forces have certain obligations under International Law, but they can flout such laws as long as they have a measure of control of the US veto in the Security Council – the one entity which can bring about action to stop the fighting between the Palestinians and Israelis.

Archie   January 18th, 2009 5:31 pm ET

These outrages against one another will lead to our end people. We must find a way to live together in peace.

Rich   January 18th, 2009 5:46 pm ET

I do hope the surrounding Arab countries' money is the only money spent on reconstruction of the region. It could be done as a good will gesture.
Or will the rest of the world be expected to bail them out?
Maybe Hamas will rescue them since they have so much money to spend on rockets.
I bet if CNN digs deep enough they would find that many of the dead and wounded have ties to the Hamas organization in some way.

Canada eh   January 18th, 2009 7:33 pm ET

Yes Archie, our life is headed on a collision course with extermination it was written that is what would happen in the end. Now is the time that all nations, arab and western,to bring medicines, food and construction supplies to rebuild the hospitals and homes destroyed by the Israelis and allow foreign doctors to come and help the people mend their lives. The Israelies need to step back from the situation and let those nations bringing relief supplies in without interference.

Archie   January 18th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

I can't help but think that there are people even in Israel that lower their heads and pray when seeing the carnage on television. I believe it to be a universal human reaction. I also believe that our Creator looks upon in equal terms . . . no nationalities, no affiliations, no right or wrong religion(s). Lastly, I believe that no man knows when or how the end will come. I think the end will be brought about when we no longer have Love for our fellow man. When there's no hope.

Hope is alive and well my friends.

Cydjim   January 19th, 2009 1:29 am ET

Another sad chapter in Arab-Israeli conflict; truth of the matter neither side cares for the future of their children. Both sides can point to stupidity, injustice, and being historically righteous; all that truly counts here and now; both have decided to sacrifice their children. The rest of the world should turn their backs on both and let them keep killing till they are exhausted enough to stop; Arabs and Israelis cling to their hatred and until they look at their children instead and say enough is enough this conflict won't end. But hey what do I know I am just a dumb American.

JT   January 19th, 2009 3:13 am ET

Conspiracy conspiracy! Wake up or go to school. What possible PR advantage would Israel gain from firing intentionally at schools and UN installations? Hamas uses these as backdrops to their firing positions for a reason. When the installations get hit, Hamas scores PR victory points. Remember the UN compound getting hit in Lebanon 2006 when Hezbollah pranced around outside? Hamas copies Hezbollah strategies (psychological included) for a reason. They were successful.

That said, Israel has no divine right to be doing what they're doing. Get the hell out of Gaza and find a smarter way to defend your original borders. Sanctify their lives as your own and take a moral high ground. Then again what do I know. At this point only the vain know the answer.

John Patrick Smith   January 19th, 2009 4:45 pm ET

Message to President-elect Obama:

You promised change. Change the equation in U.S. policy toward the Israeli-Palestinian relations.

For nations who sincerely desire a peaceful resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict without the annihilation of either of the warring parties, a carrot and stick approach is the only available option.

The U.S. together with the Europeans, neighboring Arab states and other like-minded nations should resolve to: (1) impose an arms embargo/blockade on the Israelis and Palestinians; (2) link economic aid to achieving a settlement; (3) restrict all other aid to humanitarian assistance; and (4) impose asset freezes and other sanctions on any nations that violate resolutions 1, 2 or 3.

By changing the equations you may find a solution that is the beginning of the end to the war against the self-proclaimed Islamic jihadists who point to U.S. support of Israel as evidence that the U.S. is anti-Islamic and use it to recruit other Muslims to their cause – which is to impose their worldview on others, not by the ballot box but by terror and force.

Tom Watson   January 19th, 2009 5:17 pm ET

Deuteronomy 15 applies to ALL of us who are decended from Abraham – either genetically or spiritually. Job One is neither nation building nor the pursuit of personal empire. Job One is the reconciliation of those who're not yet enjoying the largesse of the family of G-d. There is no other hope for us. Either stop whining or give your whole-hearted devotion to the uplifting of the fallen, the inclusion of the outcast and the reconciliation of the alienated. We REALLY don't have anything better to do. Until we make The Kingdom of G-d and His Reconciliation our number one priority, nothing else will work. Maybe you won't ever believe me but you can believe G-d's Word.

Jane Danko   January 19th, 2009 5:25 pm ET

Where is Ben Wedemann? He was the first in Gaza, and now I don´t see him among the correspondents reporting from there. Is he okay? He is my favorite CNN correspondent.

John   January 19th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

Okay everybody, enough of the blaming Israel, enough of the blaming of Hamas, and other militants. Looks like two little kids fighting for what they want while innocent civilians get killed. If anybody in the region thinks peace is going to come while Hamas, Hezbollah, and other militant factions are continually terrorizing people who are sympathetic with Israel and the west, is crazy. Until the Muslim people take a stand against militancy, and jihad, and whatever other criminal activities against the world they do, peace will never come. Everybody needs to wake up! Quit killing people and start doing what is right for Allah, God, or Jesus Christ. I see the militants of the world using Gaza for their personal battleground with Israel. They really have no regard for the people and really don't care if they get killed or if the infrastructure gets destroyed. I can tell you the majority of the people in the United States do not like the people living in Gaza getting killed by anybody, whether it is Israel or the militants. Look around the world! Where is there death and destruction at? Looks like most of the places is where there are Muslim Militants. All humans on the face of the earth, no matter what religion, need to start exposing the jihadists and militants for what they truly are; criminals. Until the whole world starts to take a stand and not let these criminals of the world survive, the people of Gaza will continue to be killed by two sides who act like little kids fighting over a piece of candy. Could you imagine what the world would do for Gaza if the militants were kicked out and they reached out for world aid in exchange for peace? The people of Gaza need to stomp their feet and demand no more bloodshed! They need to stop the flow of weapons into Gaza and knock down anybody who is against peace. Yes, if you are a militant, you are against peace. Don't act like you are for it, and blame Israel for all your problems. Look at yourself, you are the center of all your problems. It is time for the Middle East to grow up, and make a stand. If this would happen and the world was sure it will continue, Gaza would reap the benefits of the compassionate world ten fold. Lets make peace, but first we have to not let the militants speak for all Muslims. Let the majority of the good Muslims speak. I do mean there are millions of good law abiding Muslims who seek peace and not the jihad of the militants. All good Muslims need to put their feet down and start exposing the bad Muslims who are doing the world no good. If this continues for much longer, be prepared in the Middle East, because the Nuclear bombs will be going off, and then you all will have nothing to fight about. Yes, I am sure that is what Allah wants, don't you agree? Yes that last statement is pretty stupid, just like what is happening in the Middle East. Wake up, and take a stand against militancy and lets make the Middle East a place where peace is forever!

I. B.   January 19th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

John, it seems you're one of the few who can see and think straight here. I agree with you 100%. Muslim countries play the blame game, but no one wants to take the responsibility for Islamic fanaticism. All Arab countries say: "It's not us, it's those fanatics !", forgetting that those people come from their countries and are trained using their money. To all Muslims: Stop whining and start acting. If you live peacefully, Israel and U.S. will not have to blow you to pieces.

Ben   January 20th, 2009 12:30 am ET

Why was it hit? For the same reason hospitals and civilian shelters were hit. For the same reason Israeli soldiers herded civilians into buildings and then shelled them. For the same reason Israel bombed civilians and UN bases in Lebanon.

John   January 20th, 2009 3:36 am ET

Why would we discuss why the UN building got hit and who hit it? Somebody out there actually saw Israel shoot at the UN building and hit it? I think it all assumption. You really can't believe anything in war. So the discussion of why it was hit is non relevant. It is war. Everything has a chance to be blown up, started on fire, etc. Just because it says UN on the building means all bombs will miss it? Bombs, shells, gunfire don't care whats in the way. Is the world not seeing this? Why has war all of a sudden come down to rules and regulations? Nonsense! It all comes down to two factions that are acting like children and it is time for them to grow up and quit putting the Gaza area people in harms way. Hamas and other militant groups are just as much to blame as Israel. Tit for tat. As long as the conflict is not resolved,the Gaza people will suffer. All the blaming from both sides is so fricken stupid. You are all so caught up your egos that you can't see past them. One of the main problems we have also is the US will not bargain with the so called terrorists groups, unless they denounce terrorism. Now tell me what would be so hard about that? It is kind of like telling your son to shut up, and he looks at you says go fly a kite. Just being childish! And the US demanding this before they sit down and talk with a so called terrorist group is absolutely ridiculous, just as it is ridiculous that the militant groups wont denounce terrorism. If god was able to, he would reprimand us all! I would hope that Obama changes this policy and says, yes, lets sit down and talk, and lets get this figured out this year! This YEAR! The people of Gaza have suffered enough from the stupid egotistical policies of the militants and the US! Come on US, have some balls and get this kick started! If you negoitiate without demanding certain conditions, maybe you can wallow thru it and get something you both can agree on.

Paulo Sibaja   January 20th, 2009 4:15 am ET

Hamas uses the Palestinian people as human shields, they fire their weapons behind a hospital, store their artillery in mosques, and use civilian homes as gathering points for their TERRORISTS. Israel is the victim, the suffering of palestine is at the hands of HAMAS NOT ISRAEL.

http://www.paulosibaja.wordpress.com

JT   January 20th, 2009 4:16 am ET

All fine and dandy John

JT   January 20th, 2009 4:33 am ET

oops, that Enter button. John, I think that most people would love to see a cumbaya solution too. But reducing everyone involved simply to factions and trivializing decades (and really centuries) of religious conflict is also a way of an ego to present itself. Don't forget that faith anchors everything in that region. Do you really think Islam and Judaism is reconcilable? Never in history have these two peacefully coexisted when there were comparable numbers of each sharing real estate. If I'm wrong I'd love to hear about an example. You'd think the answer to it all would be in it.

John   January 20th, 2009 4:57 am ET

Dont you think it is time for all religious leaders to start to insert ideas of living peacefully with other religions? Teach it to the youngsters of the world to live in peace, instead of hate, holy war ect? It is time for the religious leaders to take control of what is being taught and make it good, not bad. Teach how to live with one another. Teach how to communicate with love, respect, and compassion. Looks like it is really up to how we teach our children. So far it isn't working in the middle east.

Jer   January 20th, 2009 11:58 am ET

JT, there actually was a time when Muslim and Jewish people were able to live peacefully together. When Mohammed was actually alive he gave Jews full citizenship and equal rights in Muslim ruled lands. He believed that Jews and Muslims believed in the same God and it was only a difference in the family tree further down the line (Muslims follow the family tree of a different son of Abraham) that caused the difference in beliefs. My question is that if Mohammed himself gave Jews equal rights then why is it that modern day radical Muslims have so much animosity against Jews?

Reza   January 20th, 2009 1:02 pm ET

Hi Dear Jer,
Dear Everybody,

I belive the war is not between religions.
Regardless of the religions, assume that some people come and occupy your land, then put you in a corner and then surround you and don't let you have a normal life by imposing shortages of food, energy, ....

Regardless of any religions, these all are considered as unfair to the innocent people. I believe that considering the crimes in these 22 days they've committed zionists are not real Jews. On the other hand, those Alqaeda terrorists killing innocent people are not even real muslims.

As an another example, remember when Iraq attacked to Iran in 1980. Of course Iranians had the right to defend themselves regardless of the religion of the Iraqis and they did.

Indeed, all real faithful people around the world believe in the same God either Muslims, Christians or Jews and this can make a real peace and justice around the world.

JT   January 20th, 2009 1:20 pm ET

John, I agree with that. I just think that it will require an enormous leap of faith on our part in many different people and their leaders after decades of complex issues and now Gaza. They would literally have to ask all those kids again to forget what happened to their parents and parents to again forgive of their dead children. If Islam was a religion as notoriously hell bent on forgiveness as eye-for-an-eye dogma, then yes. If the Middle east had a couple of more acres then maybe. If they didn't coincidently hold the same rock jealously sacred then who knows.

Jer, thanks for that example. I wonder though if one group being a small minority at that point didn't help. Is it not when they became more competitive over resources, power etc. that their relationship was ultimately corrupted? If not, I must convert back from a cynic. There might be some hope yet.

Eli   January 21st, 2009 5:31 pm ET

If a people elect a government that voices its objective to destroy Israel they are just as responsible!
I know this is a strong opinion, but if the residents actually wanted to live a peaceful harmonious life they would elect a governing body with some sense and responsibility. The Gazan's are victims of a dictatorship.

tpo   January 21st, 2009 8:46 pm ET

Conflict, throughtout human history, has stemmed not from religious differences, ideological differences or racial differences. Conflict has always stemmed from economic differences; it always will.

In simpler terms; wars are fought between the "haves" and the "have nots".

A perception is facilitated whereby one group/person believes another has more. From here it is a short leap to percieving the "have" as an infringement on the "have not". From this, conflict ensues; unfortunately the conflict violent.

Everyone who ever attacked another felt justified. Otherwise they would not have attacked. We must cease attempting to blame one and justify the other.

This conflict will not end until human nature in general undergoes radical change. It is not the fault of the children of Judah or Mohammed. Nor are hindus, christians and non-believers the cause. Humans are!! And not those humans over there, but not these over hear...

This one shot a rocket so I dropped a bomb.. well this one dropped a bomb so I shot a rocket.. the chicken or the egg... which came first???

War is in the nature of our species. Only when we ackowledge this with honesty and without justifiactions will we have any chance to overcome this baser nature.

But ask yourselves this as you lament the struggle of man against man.. if we remove that within our nature that faciliates conflict, what will we also lose?

gaza   January 25th, 2009 2:44 pm ET

What did the Palestinians do to the US, that they deserve to be killed every day by the US tax payer money.

Steve Canada   January 25th, 2009 6:32 pm ET

Lets get the facts straight

Hamas terrorists continued rocket attacks on a nation

Hamas got hunted down like any other criminal

It is Hamas Crimes that the UN must look into

The UN ans Ban Ki-Moon are Wimps and scared to say what is right that Hamas created the war and deaths to peaceful Palestinians

Hamas must be punished by UN by strong words

The UN must fight for Palestinian peace by Eliminating Hamas

Steve Canada   January 25th, 2009 6:37 pm ET

My sympathies to the Palestinians for what Hamas put them through

The Palestinians must overthrow Hamas and have leadership that truly cares for them rather than USING them as human shields

Peace for Palestinians and financial prosperity will come when Hamas is removed

PEACE FOR PALESTINIANS = REMOVE HAMAS

FINANCIAL PROSPERITY FOR PALESTIANS = REMOVE HAMAS

Syenide   January 25th, 2009 6:40 pm ET

it should be un responce
to deal with this not Isreal.

Syenide   January 25th, 2009 6:44 pm ET

Have you been to Gaza Steve.
Its like a prison camp.
Isreal has them completly block in .

Its sick.

Cross Country Running Shoes   December 13th, 2010 6:30 am ET

we can always give food aid to the african countries if we just save some pennies and donate it to them ..'


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