Inside the Middle East
January 13, 2009
Posted: 2357 GMT


It's hard to believe anyone was talking of a ceasefire in the pipeline a few days ago. Today, Israeli tanks rolled deep into Gaza City.

Overnight, Israeli officials say 60 targets were struck.

A few hours after the U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon pleaded for both sides to "just stop now," the Israeli military operation is in full swing.

Meantime, Hamas officials say they will not back down, and several rockets have been fired into Southern Israel.

In total, 971 Palestinians – a third children – have been killed in the offensive. Thirteen Israelis have died during the same time period, ten of them soldiers.

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Solomon   January 14th, 2009 12:19 am ET

for three nights now Israel says it entered Gaza. it is still out side Gaza city. the fighting is going on out side cities .not that Israel is unable to enter but the loses will be big..Israel is going to lose hundreds of dead and wounded they will never defeat Hamas as a resistance force..

Nona   January 14th, 2009 12:48 am ET

How sad that the cowardly Islamic extremist Hamas is so hell-bent on destroying Israel and killing Israelis that it enthusiastically and consciously chose to turn Gaza into a war zone.

Hamas values the photo opps they can leverage with dead Palestinian children more than it values the peace and security of living Palestinian children. No bomb shelters. No effort to protect them. Using them as human shields. What unconscionable madness.

A few days ago some pro-Hamas pro-terrorism bloggers were whining, "Why doesn't Israel come into Gaza City?" Well, you got what you wished for.

Word to the wise: Be careful what you wish for.

cubfan   January 14th, 2009 12:59 am ET

The news just keeps getting better and better from Gaza. Two word for Ki-moon Fool at the UN, Shut Up. Israel is kicking the crap out of Hamas and things could not be going better for the IDF on their assault on Gaza.
I cannot wait to get updates from the front, the reports are foreshadowing an complete and total defeat for Hamas.

Hearing tanks rolling thru Gaza city is like hearing the Cubs just hit back to back homeruns in the bottom of the ninth to win the game. Awesome news CNN, keep it coming. Prediction for today in Gaza, Hamas surrenders Gaza city.

rusty   January 14th, 2009 12:59 am ET

Solomon, I would say that Hamas has already lost hundreds of dead and wounded, and they will never achieve their goal of wiping out Israel. They are a terrorist organization, willing to put their own people through incredible pain and suffering, so they can pick their tragic fights with Israel. Instead of providing goods and services for their people, who live in abject poverty, they would rather dig tunnels, and smuggle weapons. It is a sad thing, for all the innocents, Palestinians, and Jews. Peaceful co-existence would reap so many more rewards. They should give it a chance, just once. Let their children grow up healthy, and strong, and educated, instead of putting suicide bomb vests on them.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 1:04 am ET

Hey Guys, glad to see all of you

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:06 am ET

Hi Linda. Looked for you earlier. I was in the midst of some really nasty folks. You can see it bothered me.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:07 am ET

Hi Solomon. Tell your buddies that I did not appreciate them today.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 1:07 am ET

Well said Rusty!
Friends, we have another educated person here that is for peace! Welcome Rusty ;)

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 1:07 am ET


.Hamas is a liberation movement Israel is the terrorist state.

Israel is a colonial power that must be defeated maybe not now maybe not in the next few yearss but it will not last Sixty years is not considered history for any society the White ruled south Africa for three hundred years where are they now?

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:08 am ET

Thanks for advising me to leave Nona. It was really was useless, trying to reason and make peace. Fool that I am.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 1:08 am ET

I had to have my Chemo, so I have not been on much for the last couple of days, until tonight. I was on last night, but felt pretty bad. Don't let them get to you

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 1:09 am ET


.what happened? I am sorry but I read a comment from you that is not smart.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:11 am ET

Solomon – Oh well. You said I was dumb. I'm a fifty year old woman who threw out her back. Curse and threaten me. It's not smart on your part either, by the way. Take that as you will.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:12 am ET

Linda – I'm sorry. My relatives tend to go there. Hereditary maybe. I plan to stay around awhile. I hope that you do also. Funny how people from everywhere are so alike.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 1:13 am ET

I've decided not to take a stand tonight, nor state facts, it always gets me into trouble;)

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:14 am ET

Do you ever get tired of the war Solomon? I would. Seems like we should be supporting each other. In ways, you remind me of the hubby. Detailed. Too bad you only want to destroy Israel. I have some very nice friends.

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 1:15 am ET

. fifty years? you are still young.
well I did not think that it was smart from you to say that Israeli Defeated forces are in Gaza to save lives.
that is why I said it was the must stupid comment I read so far.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:18 am ET

I hope you feel better Linda. I hope you beat it. If not, the other side is pretty awesome. I lost a lot of blood once. A great deal in fact according to my doc – a man doesn't have that much in his body but pregnant women have more. Trust me. I wanted to stay. Perhaps I want to go back though I was told no. Bummer. I did fuss. I'm perhaps not the easiest person to get along with. I'm pretty demanding. I hope you get well. We'll all pray for it anyway.

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 1:18 am ET

you are wrong Israel want to destroy the Palestinians I support the Palestinians. just like you support Israel what is wrong with that?

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:19 am ET

Nothing at all except you don't want peace. You want to destroy Israel. You've made that clear. Your friends are nasty. Yuk.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 1:20 am ET

Going into gaza, fighting head to head, instead of carpet bombing them would save lives.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 1:22 am ET

I'll be fine, this is just one of those things that I have to go through in my life. Thank you for your kind words.
Don't worry what some mean people say, it comes down to respect. See, it says nothing about you, they have no respect for anyone else, nor themselves.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:22 am ET

That Mahammed or Muhammed person, sorry forgot his spelling, really irritated me. I'm thinking closely about that. Linda – you'll get better. Be patient. It will take awhile. Wish I could have told my dad the same. Not everything turns out good I guess. Take care.

cubfan   January 14th, 2009 1:23 am ET

Poor Solomon my little Arab terrorist buddy
Your team sucks, and will quit on you. Why do you root for Hamas, their coaches hide in Damascus and let the players die for nothing. God is clearly an IDF fan and enjoys a good old fashion butt kicking. Hamas is finished and will not make the Super Bowl, it is not too late to root for the winning team. Solomon many of your Arab brothers have seen the light and are cheering for the IDF.
Arabs hate losers and all Hamas has on their team is losers. GOOOO IDF!!!!

Hunk   January 14th, 2009 1:27 am ET

Israel is digging its own grave by killing this much of children and women s !! is it something brave .... its the absolute cowardly act of terror... if cowardly acts is not killing children s, then what is cowardly .... its an Army of thugs, they will never enter Gaza and their objectives will never be achieved.

'Stray mortar' hit UN Gaza school

Is this not cowardly ...

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:28 am ET

Sadly it's true. We only hurt ones we care about. Ask a person in Iceland. They could care less about any of this. I envy them. The U.S. does care. So we can bombed. Bummer. This will continue on and on Solomon. No doubts. Get the guns ready. Fun time for your grandchildren. Sadly. I wish there would be peace but the world is not that into it. Outside monitors are the only hope. They won't do it.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:30 am ET

Thanks for your enlightening words Hunk. Always a pleasure.

Linda – I would pour you some tea, I have some now, if you were here. Take care.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:31 am ET

Cubbie fan – there are no winners. I'm a Cubbie fan myself.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 1:31 am ET

Are you leaving? No, don't Please stay! :)

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:33 am ET

No I'm not leaving. Not sure why. It's silly, but I just can't give up. I keep hoping for divine intervention I guess. For you and them.

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 1:35 am ET


gone are the days when Israel with American weapons finish a war in few days. few thousand fighters held Israel for 18 days probably for months if Israel can hold that long.

is that not an indication that Israel is living on borrowed time if it continue its slide in to hell.

as for the Arab brothers watch and see Mubarak having the same fate as the Traitor Sadat the Egyptians will not let this traitor die a normal death.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 1:36 am ET

Don't worry about me, I am fine. I will get through this, like everything else.
I keep hoping that people will want peace, more than they want to kill someone else, but I'm not sure that is going to happen. I am starting to think that the world is a lot worse off than I thought.

Hunk   January 14th, 2009 1:38 am ET

Gaza clinic destroyed in strike

The charity Christian Aid says a clinic for mothers and babies in Gaza, which it funds along with the EU, has been destroyed in an Israeli air strike.

Read full story,

It seems that Israel is sacred from the demographic factor, that Gazan shouldn't make love and have babies.

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 1:41 am ET

Israel may face UN court ruling on legality of Gaza conflict

* Afua Hirsch, legal affairs correspondent
* The Guardian, Wednesday 14 January 2009

Israel faces the prospect of intervention by international courts amid growing calls that its actions in Gaza are a violation of world humanitarian and criminal law.

The UN general assembly, which is meeting this week to discuss the issue, will consider requesting an advisory opinion from the international court of justice, the Guardian has learned.

"There is a well-grounded view that both the initial attacks on Gaza and the tactics being used by Israel are serious violations of the UN charter, the Geneva conventions, international law and international humanitarian law," said Richard Falk, the UN's special rapporteur on the Palestinian territories and professor emeritus of international law at Princeton University

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:41 am ET

Linda – More than once I have sat and read this blog and stared at my computer with tears in my eyes. Not because one is right and the other wrong or one mean and the other nice. Mankind in general seems so cruel to me. I wanted peace for the people of Gaza along time ago. That's not the main argument. It's all about winning, not people.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:42 am ET

My husband thinks I'm nuts no doubt. He tells me to go soak in the hot tub or go out or whatever. I have to care though.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 1:43 am ET

I know me too, and I don't see why anyone wants to be so hateful. And I don't understand why some people will not even try to see anything from another point of view. Hate seems to overide human decency.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:44 am ET

Propaganda Hunk. We are not the people to spout it too. Go somewhere with younger people.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 1:47 am ET

I wish people would have a conversation, instead of Cut, Copy, Paste, and post random articles.
Oh yea, that's not their agenda!

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:47 am ET

I think the name Hunk was suppose to sway us. Like right.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 1:49 am ET

News Update!
Dan has finally snapped!

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 1:49 am ET

it is not propaganda by Hunk. Israel did bomb the Christian charity you can go and find out there is a link.

what would you say about that?

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:50 am ET

don't forget the videos offered. Those always amaze me. Like fifty million people on the WWW don't have something to offer. Each with an opinion.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 1:50 am ET

Who do some men on here care what us women say anyway? They think we are second class citizens with no rights.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 1:50 am ET

Greetings Folks,
Only hear very briefly.

It was a real war zone in here the last 2 days.

And margins were all messed up!

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 1:50 am ET

poor dan that is why I call him ant brain.

cubfan   January 14th, 2009 1:51 am ET

Your anger and disillusionment should be directed at the Hamas leadership and Iran. Come on Gaza city is being taken by the IDF and the Hamas leadership hides like cowards in Damascus. If it were the other way around I would have already been in Tel Aviv fighting till the end. The leadership of Hamas is a Joke. Where is Iran? Iran and its reinforcements are nowhere to be found. The Palestinians need to realize they have no friends other than the good people of Israel. Gaza has been exploited by the terrorist and the people need to rise up and throw them out.

Hunk   January 14th, 2009 1:51 am ET

Denial under whatever reason , propaganda, collateral damage.

The Arab world is made of over 40% under 22 but i am not 22 years old.

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 1:52 am ET

who think that you are second class citizen?

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 1:52 am ET

Hi wheel chair #1!

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:53 am ET

Solomon – Ant brain is original. Woulda never thought of it. Congrats. You call me stupid. Where does stupid rate on the scale of ant brain?

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:54 am ET

I must be getting tired. All of this is starting to getting ridiculous and funny to me. It's always ridiculous, but not funny till I'm pooped. It really is serious stuff to the people in Gaza. Peace.

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 1:56 am ET

the people of Gaza will for sure rise up and you will see it soon when your defeated army leave Gaza in disgrace.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 1:57 am ET

Great to see you.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:59 am ET

Linda – I was on earlier today. Left to do house work then came back to see if you were here, or Nona or Nick. Someone, maybe "professor" said I had been lurking around the whole time. I know that no ones sees me, but I gasped. I've never been a lurker my whole life. This is very odd to me. How are you feeling? Sick?

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:00 am ET

some men that are in here and try to put women like GLeigh and I down. Call us names, and try to bully us. So I don't know why they would even bother reading what we blog, that is how they see us.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:02 am ET

I guess I'm a luker too, since I read the posts before I say hi!
I'm okay, a little sick, a lot tired. my skin hurts. I think I can make a little while longer tho. Thanks for asking'
How is your back

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:02 am ET

I need a thicker skin maybe to blog. Or maybe mine is too thick is the problem. I'm not easily intimidated.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:02 am ET


Solomon   January 14th, 2009 2:03 am ET

be nice to them they will be nice to you.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:03 am ET

I am laughing so hard that I am crying. Stop it, DAN :)

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 2:03 am ET

Are you kidding me, Dan?

JS   January 14th, 2009 2:05 am ET

If the citizens of Gaza want the war to stop then they should stop supporting Hamas and stand up and take back their leadership. Hamas was elected and the Gaza citizens didn't complain when rockets were being fired into Israel they are only crying because now Israel is firing back. The Palestinians can't have it both ways where they actively support the destruction of Israel and want protection from the big bad wolf.

How many missles fired from a foreign country would the US tolerate before its citizens where up in arms and wanted to respond by military force?

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:05 am ET

I try to be nice and respectful, only if you were right. Someone the other night, that I had never seen before, got and and called me the most vile names. Now, why would someone do that. They did not have a conversation, they just logged on and started calling names. Crazy

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 2:05 am ET

ant brain.
you are still OK you did not miss any Zero.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 2:05 am ET

It's blog wars here, Gleigh

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:06 am ET

Dan lost is a couple of hours ago. Go look on the other blog, one down from here.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:06 am ET

Well Linda – I hope you pull through and learn something, whatever you have to learn, from it. If not, I hope you find your way to the next place peacefully. I did that once. Not expecting it. It's way kewl. Dan? No way.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 2:06 am ET

Linda, anger comes out in all sorts of ways

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:07 am ET

lol American Jew – guess so. Sharpen the fingernails.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:08 am ET

I've almost gone there twice. I'm in no hurry, I have more love, peace and joy to spread here first. I promise, don't worry, I will be okay :)

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 2:08 am ET

how do you know that they are not right? you might be the one that is wrong.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:08 am ET

haha, Gleigh :)

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:09 am ET

Linda – my back is better. I did lean over this morning to water the dogs and saw stars so counted to five. Managed to drive my son and his friend to school. They are best buds and always ride with me. Can't complain. Wouldn't do any good anyway. I vacuumed in five minute increments.

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 2:09 am ET


your a pro israel nazi!
go to youtube! look what israel is doing in gaza! it is a massacre!
why do you support such a masacre?
we, all pro israel idiots will go to hell :(
i feel endless pain about all the lies about all the propaganda, about me self!
i thoght israel is doing the right thing, but now i saw the suffering children, the pain which we did support!
it is hell! i have such nazi methods as israel is using! i hate my self! i was a fascist :(

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 2:10 am ET

it looks like Hamas visited ant brain he is terrified he will get out of it.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:11 am ET

sounds like Akiva.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:11 am ET

I meant, if only you were right that they would be nice to me If I were to them.
They are probably right about some things, and I always concede that, so why should I be called vile names. No one said I am always right, but I do have opinions, just like everyone else, and I never call vile names, or try to pound someone into the ground. I agree to disagree.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:12 am ET

Akiva possesed Dan.

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 2:13 am ET

i was a nazi jew!
god please help me!
i pray to you! god please stop this massacre! please help! watch the poor, suffering people in gaza! please stop this massacre!

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 2:13 am ET

Oh, I see.

Dan, I think is using reverse psychology here.

OK. Got it.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:14 am ET

Solomon only wants Israel wiped out and Israel's (or whoever's) land. He feels Israel is illegal. There is no peace. Not till they are gone. Hopefully someone else will step in because Israel isn't going to go like the hundreds of thousands of Darfur with quiet extermination. Am I wrong Solomon?

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:14 am ET

How are you tonight?

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 2:15 am ET

It's a mean crowd during the day. I prefer the night owls.

More respectful bunch

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:16 am ET

Didn't Akiva once claim to be a Jew? At some point? I nearly busted a gut over that one. Told her/him that she wasn't. It has to be Akiva. Where is the gay Israel Jew thing though?

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 2:16 am ET

I actually did other things the last 2 days. Good to get awy from the poisonous blog wars for a bit.

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 2:17 am ET

are you a Christian?

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:17 am ET

so true, AJ
I wish nona and nick would come back now!

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:17 am ET

American Jew – tell me. I came on here during the daytime. Wowww!

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:18 am ET

Solomon – I am a Christian who doesn't agree sometimes with stuff. Awkward. I don't really fit in to any one thing. I've seen some odd stuff.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 2:19 am ET

I hope Lynn and Professor and Rod show up

I noticed that Prof was doing a lot of name calling today, tho tsk tsk

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 2:19 am ET

i am so clever i am so smart!
Akiva is a dumb but told me allways the truth!
i will follow now to Akiva blindly! you nazis did lie at me stright face
please help me tell me about my own history send me a email, theach me right! dperman [at] lwsd [dot] org or dperman [at] canby [dot] com
tell me, teach me the truth about israel and the jews!
and Linda please send m your pic's, i am in love to you! marry me, i am a clever guy, a smart pro israel nazi, i am very well educated
let us have a child together. be my friend my wife, i need you!

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:20 am ET

Native American is good. Too bad we wiped them out, almost. Some are pretty helpful.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 2:20 am ET

Dont worry Gleigh, I don't fit in either!

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:21 am ET

We are going to start ignoring you like we do Akiva it you don't stop.
Although, you are funny as hell :)

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:22 am ET

Please don't post web sites or videos for me to watch. I think on my own. Now THAT is scary. haha!

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:22 am ET

Hey, I'm 1/4 Native american (blackfoot) and no, before you ask, my feet aren't black. How can I be of help:)

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 2:22 am ET

Yeah, I think Dan here is really Akiva
Very funny Akiva...I mean Dan

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 2:23 am ET

.you keep talking about Darfur which is not an Ideal place.

but you never talk about Rowanda where a million Christians were killed by Christians.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:24 am ET

Sorry Dan,
I can no longer have children, nor do I want them. I just got my son raised. And I am already married, so what can you offer me that is better? I await your response!

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 2:26 am ET

web sites and videos are part of 'thinking on your own', GL, no? As long as you look at all POVs, yes?

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:27 am ET

Solomon – we all stink. None of us are great. I agree. So killing some more people, perhaps for generations is the way to go? You asked my religion. What is yours? Are you in Gaza? You sound hardcore Palestinian. That's not personal. I'm just basically nosy.

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 2:30 am ET


i kiss your liar feet, i am in love!
GLeight let us do a theesome with Linda, i am gay i love it!
Send me your pic at dperman [at] voyager [dot] net i am a clever guy i am smart i was a pro israel nazi, but now it is over! now i change my mind, Professor teach me more about the jews and israel, i am in germany i know nothing about my own history, please help me

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:31 am ET

Linda – I admire the wisdom of the old teachers, the old religions. I took Native American Lit. In it they said that pinning up animals would make people sick from their spirits. Then I went to Microbiology. My teacher, who wrote the text book, said almost all viruses from Europe, at least, could be traced back to pinning up animals. Which is why Native Americans were not resistant to the viruses. They knew.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:32 am ET

the "pro israel nazi" is definitely Akiva. She's said it a lot.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:35 am ET

Very interesting, Gleigh.
there is so much to Native American teaching that is really facinating. I feel lucky that I grew up with my Native American Grandfather. Sometimes people, or cultures just know.

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 2:35 am ET


you a dumb idiot! but you did never lie at me, i am smart and well educated i was a pro israel nazi but now i change my mind! i hate fascism i hate genocide! God please safe me, safe my sould! god please stop the killers in gaza! stop the terror by israel!
i am a smart gay, i am a clever gay listen to me, please god i need your help! gaza needs your help!

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 2:35 am ET

I am not a Palestinian .I am Lebanese and I am a Muslim my mother was a Christian. Israel killed my Nephew and a cousin of mine in 1982. they were in our orchard picking grapes when the cowards shoot them.I will fight Israel as long as i am alive.

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 2:37 am ET

i am moss
i am dan
i am JJdT
i am clever i am smart!

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:39 am ET

My heart breaks because of your last comment. I am sorry for your nephew and cousin. How tradgic. But Israel did not kill them. Horrible cowards did. Thoses cowards are not an entire nation

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:41 am ET

Solomon – I might feel the same if I were you. I'm sorry for your losses. I hope no one else looses relatives, Muslim or not. I don't want to loose any of my family either. I hope that makes sense, in some way, to you.

David Fream   January 14th, 2009 2:43 am ET

I suggest the the Palestinians will just be happy on what they have. Since when you look at the world map the occupy a lot not just GAZA. Israel is like a dot from the map why cant they just be contented on what they have. By the way also the warnings was given in advance by the Israelis. If i am a Palestinian I should go away sleep out far from the bombing put up a tent or something.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:44 am ET

Linda – I think the Native Americans knew much more than we realize. Europeans just don't know how to read their writings. I was amazed in my class. It made sense to me but others laughed or had blank looks. It requires seeing outside the box. You're lucky.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:45 am ET

Solomon – At some point, it's time to let go of hate. It hurts you more than those you hate. It can take over life. That's not easy, but true.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 2:46 am ET


My condolonces...

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:47 am ET

I went to some Mayan Ruins in sept. and it was wonderful. This may sound crazy, but i felt as if I could feel everyone of their spirits. I am one of those people that just knows things. I don't know why, but it has always been a part of my all. and yes, it requires seeing outside of the box, I think I live outside the box.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:47 am ET

There are such mean, violent people in the world. You shoulda heard this person Mahammed or Muhammed today. Wow.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 2:48 am ET

Easier said than done

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:48 am ET

Laughing Histerically, What the hell is a death frog?

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 2:49 am ET

OK dumb Akiva i will do every thing!
i am your blind follower your slave!
i will be quiet now! because i am smart and clever! i will stop with all my lies and propaganda, i am your slave and i am in love with linda and GLeigh.
i am the most intelectual gay here and now i listen to you i follow you i am your slave, dumb akiva, i am clever enough to fillow you blindly!

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:50 am ET

American Jew- I know. I'm an optimist. Once a Lit teacher said that with U.S. slavery, it was really the slave owner who was hurt the most. His wife, his kids, his soul. That makes me think. No answers, but makes me think. It was all terrible. For everyone I guess.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 2:51 am ET

Whoops, Akiva, you just gave yourself away! LOL

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:52 am ET

Linda – death frog? Where was that posted?

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 2:53 am ET

Dan will be really p.o.'d when he sees what you have done...
And while you are at it, could you tone down the 4 letter words, please?

danke schon

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:53 am ET

I have to be pooped. Linda – you always get me started. Laughing.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:54 am ET

Akiva said : you are as clever as a death frog.

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 2:54 am ET

you speak my words!!!! thank you now i go!!!
smart as i am
visit me
send me your pics

dperman at earthlink dot net
dperman at canby dot com
d.perman at comcast dot net
dperman at lwsd dot org
dperman at voyager dot net

i am clever i am gay i am Dan Perman

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:55 am ET

A.J. – Yep Akiva. The "pro Israel nazi" did it for me awhile back.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 2:55 am ET

death frog??

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 2:56 am ET

I agree, bad actions hurts all

albert   January 14th, 2009 2:56 am ET

Might is right

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:57 am ET

Read back but missed it. Finally found it. Not sure what one is. But you do remind me of one. Bulgy like eyes. Have fly tea with me Linda?

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:57 am ET

I need a minute.

David Fream   January 14th, 2009 2:58 am ET

Look solomon I understand the rage and agony that your family has been through. We say things because we are angry. I'm sorry for your loss. Sometimes anger is not the solution to all our problems. Things like these happen for a cause. Just think about it at least the struggles that they have been through is over they will hide no more they are free. Just keep praying!

Linda   January 14th, 2009 2:58 am ET

Tea it is!

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:00 am ET

Are you still there?

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 3:02 am ET

Solomon – At some point, it’s time to let go of hate. It hurts you more than those you hate. It can take over life. That’s not easy, but true

. how can you if the same soldiers in the same army are doing the same to the Palestinians.
this army killed 30.000 Lebanese civilians in 1982 how can you forgive?

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 3:03 am ET

American Jew.
thank you

albert   January 14th, 2009 3:03 am ET

Dark age is back Bloodshed in the name of God

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:03 am ET

sorry have the tired sillies. Still do. Excuse me a little longer.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:04 am ET

How many in 2006, Solomon?

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 3:04 am ET

hi albert :D

Rod   January 14th, 2009 3:05 am ET

Poor kids
Children of Gaza
A freelance filmmaker in Gaza shot this material for Save the Children at a UN-supported school for pupils displaced from their homes by the Israeli bombings

Now the response will be (Hamas Rockets did this!)

Kids who are like these were even less lucky as an Israeli mortar hit the school.

This war should stop. The massacre should end.

Rod   January 14th, 2009 3:06 am ET

Linda American Jew Akiva hi

Linda   January 14th, 2009 3:07 am ET

Hi Rod,
Good to see you!

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:08 am ET

Our lives here are really quite mundane compared to the region of Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, etc.

Always either in war or war anytime now.

A very very different reality over there!

Lots of loved ones lost in horrible ways...

Rod   January 14th, 2009 3:09 am ET

Even the ones waiving White Flags get killed:

At least three Palestinians in Gaza were shot dead yesterday after Israeli soldiers fired on a group of residents leaving their homes on orders from the military and waving white flags, according to testimony taken by the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem.

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 3:09 am ET

American Jew.

i150 civilians.
and 60 children since then by their cluster bombs that they left behind 1.5 million bombs these criminals.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:10 am ET

Another video?

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:10 am ET

Hi Rod!

Rod   January 14th, 2009 3:10 am ET

"There is a well-grounded view that both the initial attacks on Gaza and the tactics being used by Israel are serious violations of the UN charter, the Geneva conventions, international law and international humanitarian law," said Richard Falk, the UN's special rapporteur on the Palestinian territories and professor emeritus of international law at Princeton University.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 3:10 am ET

hi Rod :D
hope your well today :)
i am a bit sad ... all this suffering in gaza is terrible!
but i had a funy day :D
i found some clever guys :) was talking long time with them, and it was funy :)
but still i cant forget the people which are really suffering in gaza!
i hope this holocaust will end soon!
i hope Ban Ki-Moon will stop israel soon !

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:12 am ET

What's your issues with videos, Gleigh?

Linda   January 14th, 2009 3:13 am ET

Watch out for the Death Frogs!

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:13 am ET

Okay Linda. I'm back to earth now. Terrible – I know. Gets the best of me sometimes like during childbirth and the funeral procession from my dad's funeral. I told my sister it was a good thing we had rented a hearse. Her car was a clunker. She said, yeah, not the best time to pop the hood. My mom was crying was between us. She started laughing. I'm a bad influence. We were all crying and laughing.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 3:14 am ET

Linda ... go and marry dan perman ... he is in love with you ;) :p

Linda   January 14th, 2009 3:15 am ET

I know what you are saying ;)

Linda   January 14th, 2009 3:15 am ET

Jealous, Akiva?

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:16 am ET

American Jew – do you realize how many people post videos and opinions and want you to watch them all?

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:17 am ET

If I made a movie and posted it and told you to watch it – would you feel obligated?

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:18 am ET

Rod Solomon and All,
I have been reading 'One Country"

Excellent book!

Brings out much that has happened since Oslo, Camp David 2 from 1993 to 2006.

What we do not know nor pay attention to between these wars is VERY telling!

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:18 am ET

Excuse me another minute.

Rod   January 14th, 2009 3:21 am ET

I wanted American Jew and People with similar mentality watch my Video.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:21 am ET

Yes, GL, I plead guilty, as I am one of them re postings.

People just want to educate, isn't that what we are here for, to learn?

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:22 am ET

Or are we just here to vent only?

Linda   January 14th, 2009 3:22 am ET

Will someone please post a vidoe about the death frogs?

Linda   January 14th, 2009 3:23 am ET


American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:23 am ET

No, you are certainly not obligated, but info is there to learn from, is all.

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 3:26 am ET

actually it is nice to see both side of the story so you can try to be fair to both. if you are neutral to start with.
so it is OK for me to see Videos, not propaganda Videos that is done by both side .

that is why my source is always western and Jewish sources so I will not be accused of being brainwashed by the brainwashed Zionists.

bye for now.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:26 am ET

To be honest, I cannot watch anymore videos showing maimed and injured kids, but some stuff, I will check out–not all, mind you, but some!

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 3:27 am ET


his video...
this children will endless suffer for life :(
and theyr suffering is nothing at the side of the wounded, of the burned childs
and i cant exactly follow the israelis...
is this peace?
will such a terror by israel bing peace?

its endless sad! a massacre a holocaust! its the same as hitler did to the jews :(

i condemn hitler, i condemn israel, netanyaho and his gang are nazis :(
ban ki moon must stop them now! and not only talk endles until the next 100 generations!
and they must face the international court of justice and pay for what they have done!

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:27 am ET

Leaving Solomon?

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:28 am ET

Linda – you're just like my friend R. who always gets me in trouble. Her dad was a super strict preacher. One Sunday, when she was little, she roller her program into a spyglass and was watching him preach through it. He stopped after awhile. Everyone knew she was going to get it at home. She did. Sunday before last, I saw her a few aisles over. I had my church program and rolled it up. After a few seconds, she saw me looking at her and did hers. Luckily the preacher didn't notice. My husband did and jabbed his elbow into my side. My nose was running and I was strangling. Didn't laugh out loud though. Thought I'd choke to death though.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 3:28 am ET

GLeigh and I were talking about some people posting links all of the time, time after time, and never having a conversation about them. that is why she made that comment.
We all want to see both sides, just just coming on, cut, copy, and pasting books, articles, and videos, without being willing to have a dialogue is very annoying.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:30 am ET

brainwashed by the brainwashed Zionist Solomon. Seems impartial to me.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 3:30 am ET

I take that as a compliment, GLeigh :)

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:30 am ET

What do y'all think?

When Solomon shared his human side tonight, telling his story of losing relatives, did that go further with your hearing his anguish as opposed to him calling names?

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:32 am ET

No one has ever asked me to have a dialogue of anything I have posted.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:33 am ET


Linda   January 14th, 2009 3:33 am ET

American Jew,
I think you hit the nail on the head. No one needs to call anyone names because we are all human, and have our own story. I feel bad for him and his family. I also wonder he and his family can move past it. I hope their hearts can heal, so that they may have real peace!

Rod   January 14th, 2009 3:35 am ET

American jew.
Yes when people share their human side and their suffering they will have much more impact on others.

Rod   January 14th, 2009 3:36 am ET

Linda are you being mean to me and my friend American Jew?

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:37 am ET

Does it make a difference to hear a human story than to be called a name–do you hea a person better when that happens? Even if you don't agree with them?

I would be more open to listening to a Beny or a (real) Dan Perman, if they weren't always calling names, belittling anyone who doesn't agree with them, etc

That goes for people I DO agree with, too, BTW


Linda   January 14th, 2009 3:37 am ET

NOOOO, I'm not being mean to anyone :) I love all of you. You are wonderful people!

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:38 am ET

American Jew – no offense. It's just so many people post so much. I don't even try. It seems unfair to watch one and not the other.

Solomon – In a way, I feel like we are friends. Just friends who see differently and from worlds that are much different. Excuse my silliness. I had trouble sleeping last night from a knotting up back. I don't have answers. Peace would be good. How that happens, I don't know. Luckily God is God and I'm not. Hopefully, it will all work out.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:39 am ET

Move past it hard when it is constant and unpredictable, but yes, I agree, I hope that one day can move past it, too

Rod   January 14th, 2009 3:40 am ET

ok you guys are mean to American Jew because he is nice.
No one comes close to my friend the smart balanced and humanitarian American Jew

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:41 am ET

I'm not offended GL

Just re-thinking my strategy–LOL

I hate preaching 'to the choir' :P

Linda   January 14th, 2009 3:41 am ET

Moving past it will take a lot of strength, and I am sure he and is family are so tired of the emotions, that their strengths are stripped. I will try to send some good vibs to him and his, and hopefull they can heal a little.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:42 am ET

Linda – the death frogs just sent me over the edge. That's not a big leap. I will never look at the frogs the same way again.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:42 am ET

Muchas gracias, Rod–back atcha, guy!!

Linda   January 14th, 2009 3:43 am ET

You are so funny. Step away from the love, step away from the love!

Linda   January 14th, 2009 3:43 am ET

I'm stil laughing histerically! :)

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:45 am ET

GL, your back sounds like my neck!

Too much time in front of the computer, I think.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:47 am ET

Rod, Have you read 'One Country"?

Rod   January 14th, 2009 3:47 am ET

Linda i feel happy when i make you laugh

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:48 am ET

Demographics is a big issue

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:50 am ET

AJ – Mine was from an accident. Yesterday I was spitting out toothpast into the sink and sneezed.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:51 am ET

Linda – I know you are and you're going to get me in trouble. I'm not looking at you!!

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:52 am ET

Israeli demographer, Arnon Soffer (with the Israeli govt), predicted this Gaza war back in 2001

Linda   January 14th, 2009 3:53 am ET

:) ;)

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:53 am ET

GL, I am so sorry! Awful LOL

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:54 am ET

My dad said it in the 60's. I was born 1959 but still remember. It was bound to happen eventually he said.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:55 am ET

I was under ten but listened to him.

Rod   January 14th, 2009 3:55 am ET

I have not read it yet. I am familiar with the idea about one state.
it was just strange, 3 years ago we were discussing the palestinian issue and I proposed a solution to the problem by giving Palestinians the right to vote. One guy said "ofcourse not" .I was surprised mostly because he was an American who preaches about democracy.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 3:57 am ET


It is the only way really but probably a few–quite a few–years off.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:58 am ET

So we also told countries that they should all have the right to free government. Vietnam chose Communism. I think we might have gone to war with them over. I'm sure that was a shocker too.

Rod   January 14th, 2009 4:00 am ET

I do not think Israel will accept the one State solution and I promise you 99% of palestinians will accept it.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 4:02 am ET

I think the United States has always had ideals but we are only slowly evolving into them. Like equality. Palestinians want Israel gone and the land back. Hence, the problem.

Rod   January 14th, 2009 4:04 am ET

if you give palestinians their rights they will not fight. but it is natural to fight for your rights. the notion that Palestinians should surrender is troubled because no one will accept to live as a salve. if they did their kids won't. Freedom is a human right and I wonder how some have it and deny it to others

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:04 am ET

Read the book, Rod.

It is very eye-opening about the processes over the past 20+ years–and no–no obligation to read :)

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:05 am ET

I'm preaching to the choir here, ladies...

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 4:06 am ET

Linda must have left.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 4:06 am ET

Solomon too.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 4:07 am ET

No, I'm here. I was just dozing off :) Where are the Death Frogs!

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 4:07 am ET

The problem is simple. A peaceful solution is hard to figure out.

Rod   January 14th, 2009 4:09 am ET

I will read it American jew. and I feel obligated since it is recommended by you.

I have a problem, I read a lot. others are blessed they talk about stuff they never read about.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 4:09 am ET

I'm getting sleepy too. I was pooped after writing today. There were some hardcore, death to people people on then. I take all of that in stride, but still, it was tiring.

Rod   January 14th, 2009 4:10 am ET

Gaza Emergency Fact Sheet

January 12, 2009

The Emergency: The conflict in Gaza that began December 27, 2008 following nearly two years of political instability and tensions has created an extreme humanitarian crisis. Intensive military operations have to date killed over 800 people, injured over 3,100 more, and have exacerbated the deterioration of Gaza's social services and infrastructure. Children and families are experiencing severe shortages of food, clean water, electricity, fuel, medical supplies and drugs. Although daily humanitarian cease-fires are allowing Gazans to seek basic supplies and medical services, the materials arriving in Gaza from international relief agencies is only a fraction needed to alleviate the crisis. As of Jan. 11, much of Gaza had no electricity or running water, and nearly 22,000 people were staying in 27 UN emergency shelters. Many water wells and sewage pumps are inoperable, leaving hundreds of thousands of children and adults without clean water and at risk of waterborne diseases. The World Health Organization has warned that the health care system is also near collapse due to the high number of injuries, shortages of supplies and electricity and the inability of staff to reach hospitals or health centers.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 4:10 am ET

It is very stressful, GLeigh! so is researching Death frogs!

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 4:10 am ET

Linda – there are frogs who produce a toxin on their skin, their backs. People lick it a little to get high. Too much, and you can die. I tried not to think about this, to keep it together, but had to tell you. Death frogs do exist!!!!!

Rod   January 14th, 2009 4:11 am ET

The Impact on Children:
Children make up over half of Gaza's population, and the situation has reached a critical level for them. Many children are exposed to and experiencing violence, fear and unrest in their communities. At least 130 children have reportedly been killed since the fighting began. Caregivers say children are showing signs of emotional distress and exhaustion. Thousands of children also are at greater risk of malnutrition because of the shortages of food and dairy products. Even before the latest outbreak of violence, 50,000 Gazan children were malnourished; more than two-thirds of all children suffered from vitamin A deficiency and almost half of children under age 2 were anemic. The crisis also has interrupted children's education, as all schools in Gaza are closed, leaving over 441,400 students unable to learn. Sixteen schools have been damaged.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:12 am ET

Its demographics from Israeli gov't perspective–terrified of being outnumbered by Palestinians in the 'Jewish" state...

Rod   January 14th, 2009 4:12 am ET

the source

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 4:13 am ET

Rod – it is heartbreaking. The death, the injuries. I blame Hamas one minute and Israel the next and the people who voted in Hamas after that. In the end, finger pointing doesn't fix anything. We need both sides to stop shooting at each other and outside mediators and monitors to seperate them both.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 4:14 am ET

I know, they live in the rain forest. in costa rica The poison is what makes you high. I learned about all of that in biology. They can also tell you when the climate is changing. I have a pic of one on my calenday. Although, they can not cause death, the are not called death frogs in the scientific world. That is just slang, but Akiva doesn't know it. That is why I was going on and on about them.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:14 am ET

GL, whaddya talking about??


Why do you think I disappeared for a couple of days?

Rod   January 14th, 2009 4:17 am ET

Yes. That is Israel's biggest problem. cause Israel considers its end will be when the jews are outnumbered by the palestinians. similar to the Apartheid in South Africa.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:18 am ET

I"ll lick a frog to that, GL.

May reconciliation and healing take the place of shooting and killing soon!

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 4:18 am ET

I don't blame you AJ. Probably good advice. Those with power will have to fix this one, if it is fixable. But it is heartbreaking. It's all about hate and distruction and death.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 4:19 am ET

i hope every member of IDF will carry the pictures of this war in his nightmares for life!
i hope that they go in there to see what they have done!
i am sure everyone, every israeli IDF member will come back to home and will be happy for life about what they did!
i am sure they will share theyr happynes with theyr families!
netanyahu hates israelis! netanyaho hate jews! .. go and suffer for him.. be proud israel ... be proud!

Linda   January 14th, 2009 4:19 am ET

I meant to say, Although they can cause death! BTW, I think IT was talking about the red eyed tree frog of costa rica.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:19 am ET

It won't be, but that is their FEAR!

Fear can be deadly

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 4:23 am ET

Linda – where on earth did Akiva come up with death frogs anyway? Thought I'd bust a gut when you told me where to read. I am too tired and my back's too sore to start again. Think I'll soak it one more time. Can't hurt.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 4:25 am ET

I have no idea, GLeigh. I think IT licked some death frogs, and was trippin! ;)

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:25 am ET

Take care of yourself, GL. Soak that back good!

Rod   January 14th, 2009 4:26 am ET

I agree they can still call the one State for Jews and Palestinians "Israel" and i do not think the palestinians will mind. The issue is a rights issue. non Jews in the State of Israel are not Treated as Humans. I have seen the suffering. It is horrible and you Know it first hand American Jew. Israel is not willing to give Palestinians their rights.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 4:26 am ET

Linda are you still hanging on this frogs? :D
go to wiki and inform your self about death frogs ;)

your realy smarter then dan :D

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 4:26 am ET

No offense Akiva. Just struck me as an odd reference. I have to go soak my back awhile. Excuse me. See ya all another day. Night Linda, AJ, Rod, Akiva, whoever. Whatever.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:27 am ET

I have not been able to soak in a hot bath in almost 7 years! Sounds great!!

Linda   January 14th, 2009 4:28 am ET

I know about them without going to wiki, and you would know that if you could READ.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 4:29 am ET

good nicht GLeigh
i wish you peace!

Linda   January 14th, 2009 4:29 am ET

I'm with you, I nodding off again. Have a good soak, and don't dream about death frogs!

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:30 am ET

Hold off on the swear words Akiva?

Not necessary

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 4:30 am ET

Linda tell us more about death frogs ... oure interesst is totaly at your side ... tell us about death frogs!

Linda   January 14th, 2009 4:31 am ET

Go read my previous posts.

Linda   January 14th, 2009 4:32 am ET

Good night All, have a great night :)

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:32 am ET

When you read this book, Rod,,,i has been so invisible to the world, but bring light to why the Palestinians have reacted the way they have for years

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 4:32 am ET

...sure i will ;)

Rod   January 14th, 2009 4:35 am ET

American jew share some of these reason with people here.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:35 am ET

If only there were a way to simplify it and get it out in the open to 'regular Joe Blows'

The Israeli Gov't depends on the ignorance of folks and what is NOT seen–between wars.

Mix in the rest of the region's political messes, it becomes a worse balaan/mess!

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:38 am ET

They are gone now and do nt like it when we do share info, see above about videos and sites posdtings

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:41 am ET


I came on these blogs to 'spread info' and, you know what?

Its pointless.

Can't change minds.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 4:42 am ET

they know what hapenet to the clever smart dan, and they know dan is not the only clever guy! they never had any info ... they only did share propaganda from fake sites and other woerse sites!
i wonder who will be the next dan :D

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:42 am ET

No one has changed MY mind, that's for sure!

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:43 am ET

It is about providing info to the 'undecideds" I guess.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:43 am ET

And to vent...

Judy K Australia   January 14th, 2009 4:45 am ET

OK another stupid question. Egypt is an Arab nation why is it not taking the women and children over it's border and air lifting them to hospitals?

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:45 am ET

Each 'side' provides their info, and folks take what they want and leave the rest...
Rod are you still there or am I talking only to myself.?

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 4:46 am ET

American Jew

i have a question to you... a bit offTopic
may you dont answer ... i will accept :)

did you vote for bush? tho times?
what you thing kabout today?
was he a liar? did h blind all americans or most of them?
and if so ... what should happen now to him?

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:48 am ET

No question is stupid, Judy, even tho people call each other stupid all the time here.

I don't know, good question. Politics, I'm sure. They probably don't want to get dragged into this mess.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:49 am ET

I have family in Tasmania Judy!

Been to Australia twice...beautiful country!!

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:52 am ET

Are you kidding, Akiva?? No way!!

I think they should put him, Cheney and gang on Guantanamo...give them a taste of their own medicine!!

I am starting to sound like a 'terrorist', eh?

Judy K Australia   January 14th, 2009 4:53 am ET

AJ Well I'm sorry but Egypt is in the middle of it as it it their border that the rockets are smuggle from. Non one seems to hit on Egypt and their part in all this. They have a border and the UN could use it to take away women and children and get them medical help. Why are they not doing this?

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:53 am ET

I'm with the 77% who think he's the WORST president we've ever had!

Linda   January 14th, 2009 4:56 am ET

Wow, I jumped back on to make sure I said goodnight to everyone, and low and hehold, I guess I got it right in the back. I said in my above posts, that I didn't like the same people, posting the same videos and links, and were not willing to discuss anything. I did not say anything about either of your postings. The people that do that know who they are. I guess I should go back and read each night, what was said when I get off the blog. I may learn something.
Good night Guys!

Judy K Australia   January 14th, 2009 4:57 am ET

AJ thankyou yes this country is lovely especially to bring children up in. Aussie are pretty lay back. I have only been to Tassie once for a cattle sale and it was so cold and windy. Would like to go again though. I am in the Hunter Valley, Wine making area of NSW It is about two and a half hours from Sydney. I moved here a couple of years ago. Before then I cam from Armidale in the New England region of NSW.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 4:57 am ET

Who knows what is happening behind the scenes?

From my point of vies high falutin' political leaders have agendas we know nothing about on the surface.

For that matter, where is the rest of the Arab leaders?? And the world?

Everyone is a talking head, but no one takes ACTION

It's terrible!

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 4:58 am ET

i think bush is a liar! he did fool all americans!
he did legitimate his existence as a president with terror
this terror as we know today was never a fact! it was a theory or terrory in this case!
all this weapons all this terrorists ... he found nothing and bin laden is still laughing at him!
i think he and his gang did fool all americans and did messup the whole world!
after him, everything he touched is a disasster!

Judy K Australia   January 14th, 2009 4:59 am ET

AJ. Once you watch Farenheigt 9/11 you can see how stupid George Bush is. I hope for all you US's that Obama is so much better.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 5:00 am ET

good night, Linda!

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 5:02 am ET

I saw that movie!


I have 'hope' for Obama,

Yes he can, yes he did and yes he will...


Judy K Australia   January 14th, 2009 5:05 am ET

I just got too frustrated trying to understand Egypt and their reaction to all this. So I emailed the Egyptian Embassy here in Australia. I know I won't get an answer but I would so like to understand their tactics and why.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 5:05 am ET

i think netanyaho is not stupid as bush!
but i also dont think he is more true!!
he and his gang are proofed corrupt liars!
and mybe today israel dont know about that
but hopefull in some years they will open theyr eyes!
i hope they will see what they have done for what reason!
killing whole Gaza because they was the occupiers?
a homemade dessaster... a war because the own faults!
i think in this moment israel is proud!
but i think also in some years they have no face, they will have no head anymore, they will hide and they will feel very ashame because all the pain which they have broght to gaza!

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 5:06 am ET

Is everyone gone?

Guess I'll call it a night.

Nice talking to you, Judy.

G'dye :)

I have a book called Talking Strine

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 5:07 am ET

Good deed there, Judy!

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 5:09 am ET

i did also email alot to the embassy of israel :D
i hink the ambassador hate me :(

Nick-Canada   January 14th, 2009 5:11 am ET

American Jew
Israel is counting on the common sence of all the people , getting support from America, and people like me because we don't stand for terrorist attacks on innocent people, common sence you put an end to it. All this propaganda you supporters of terror bring to this table does not take away from Israel having the right to defend themselves against these filthy pigs that make up Hamas. Israel said this was not going to end any time soon, believe that. So thats all, I will leave you all to argue amongst yourselves, when If you really gave a crap about the Palestinians you would be over there fighting with Hamas, but no your here typing away. Well like I said this war will last a while so I'm sure you will be here tommorow, I'm sure with more good news of targets hit and Hamas weakened, so later

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 5:13 am ET

You're not alone, Judy

I emailed the Israeli Prime minister twice

alapone   January 14th, 2009 5:15 am ET

I did not like Palestinians long time ago but after what Israel was doing in Lebanon and now in Gaza I do not like Israel . It became obvious the problem in middle east is an Israel backed up by USA and Grate Britain. Adolf Hitler was doing with Jews horrible crimes and it looks like Jews were very good students. Jews exterminates anybody else around their state now and International organizations can not do anything but call for cease fire. What about bombing Israel.

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 5:16 am ET

Backatcha, Nick, everything you just said except substitute the word "Palestinian" for Israeli.

You'll be here typing away too Nick, my friend!

judy joss   January 14th, 2009 5:17 am ET

It is only fair that you should give more time to show the affect on Israeli cidtizens. You seem to ply over & over the photage of Gaza's children. What abour the Israeli children, dont they count?

judy Australia

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 5:19 am ET

Israel is committing the terrorists acts more so than Hamas right now, Nick.

Since Israel has at the moment the most powerful, they need to be the leaders to stop this insanity

Both sides need to stop.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 5:20 am ET

i did email o the whole israelian gov!
and all embassies
and i cant count how much

they all did ignore the warcrimes! theyr all guilty!

American Jew   January 14th, 2009 5:22 am ET

I'm going to bed Akiva

Sweet dreams, freunde!

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 5:23 am ET

Sweet dreams AJ :)
have a good time! ;)

Judy K Australia   January 14th, 2009 5:25 am ET

Oh and just then I emailed our member of the United Nations asking why Egypt does not let the injured women and children across their border to be air lifted out. Gaza does have an airport and if the US put Isreal under pressure they could fly them out too. You all go to bed as I am getting up !

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 5:31 am ET

Egypt have lot of political interess in this israel gaza story
egypt ... the leadership cares not about humans! they cae more about politics

they will not change this political mind
they will only change if all egyptians go crazy at them ... then the leadership will see that they will win never a election again and that they will be suspendet by the egyptians
then they will act to safe them selfs:(

they are a bit poor minded :( i men the leaders of egypt

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 5:33 am ET

no sleep to gaza .... no sleep to me :(

Nona   January 14th, 2009 5:33 am ET

Greetings friends and lovers of peace. Did I miss everybody?

judy joss   January 14th, 2009 5:39 am ET

I have a suggestion to you. Film a programme focusing on holocaust survivors that their grand children serve NOW in GAZA. They & all Israelis deserve to live in peace. This is the Jewish home land paid for in blood. it is TIME. Please show the Jewish plight in the same compassion you have for the arabs.

Nona   January 14th, 2009 5:41 am ET

Solomon. I was sorry to read about your tragedy. My condolences on your nephew and cousin.

I can think of no way to honor than better than to dedicate your life to the cause of peace, so that such horrors never happens to anybody else. Vowing to "fight Israel as long as I live" does not bring them back, it just ensures that such tragedies happen to others on both sides, over and over again. You have an amazing opportunity to bring something good from your own personal senseless tragedy.

I wish you peace.

Nona   January 14th, 2009 5:42 am ET

Sorry for the typo - I meant "I can think of no way to honor THEM better than to dedicate your life to the cause of peace ..."

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 5:54 am ET


i tell you something...
to me ... if you do typos.... i try to understand, i dont blame you for any typos, you have to use your brain, as you do, and dont care to much about typos
people who care about typos are hanging on useless details
you dont have to excuse your typos, i excuse them to you ;)
do typos as many you like! dont care about typos better care about thinking about things which are going on ... about things which did go on
dont hang around at useles typos :)

its OK and no problem ;)

Josh   January 14th, 2009 5:58 am ET

who here believes in a one state solution?

Nona   January 14th, 2009 6:29 am ET

"A rattlesnake, if cornered will become so angry it will bite itself. That is exactly what the harboring of hate and resentment against others is – a biting of oneself. We think we are harming others in holding these spites and hates, but the deeper harm is to ourselves." ~E. Stanley Jones

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 6:35 am ET

wise words!!

"A rattlesnake, if cornered will become so angry it will bite itself"
dan perman is the rat-snake :D
he did nuke the whole gang!.. not only he.. but he was the smartest of them!
the others can life in peace! also if they are not better then dan perman the hater.
they did so much false propaganda!
they were full of hate!
and they gave all a endless trace:D
blinded by theyr own propaganda!
blinded by theyr own hate!
lies will crumble.. today tomorrow in a year ... who knows ... but reality will win :)

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 6:43 am ET

keep your eyes open
never be a blind follower
dont trust blindy
proofe what you need to proof
do your own mind ... its your mind and not the mind of some leaders!
never trust blindly!

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 6:49 am ET

Linda was the only person who did investigate about me!
what she found was totaly right!
she did investigate about my name "Akiva"
she was the only person who found a bit of truth!
but she never was able to use the information which she had found!
still now she never did ask her self what i am and still today she is calling me "it" ... what a short mind ... investigate about something, find information and cant use it!
the whole gang is soooo clever and smart!
i hope people will follow theyr own brain, theyr own heart!
i hope not all people are totaly short minded followers!
i only hope....

Nona   January 14th, 2009 6:55 am ET

Akiva –

Glad you liked the quote but I am sorry you missed the point.

Hate poisons the hater more than the hated, as the rattlesnake shows us. You illustrate that beautifully, poor soul.

Nona   January 14th, 2009 6:58 am ET

Yes, Brandon.

And why are we not surprised that people who approve of firing rockets from schools full of children would hijack the user name of somebody who disagrees with them? If this is what they are willing to do online, it gives us all a realistic glimpse of the horrors they will proudly undertake on the ground.

This is typical of these people rather than surprising.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 7:01 am ET

your gang is gone !
dan did nuke the whole gang!
damage is done!
there is no way back!
everyone knows that dan perman was obsessed by evil!
but this dont change the facts ... your propaganda is over

Brandon/dan ... your finish now! stop talking... you did too much damage to your propaganda gang!
go and set up your PC again mybe there is a rootkit on your PC ... back up your data... maybe it will help ;)
but i guess guys as you never see when it is over!
your so smart and so clever you will not see the end also not if your over the end :D

Brandon   January 14th, 2009 7:03 am ET

I'm Glad that you are fully aware nona.... These kind of people....are now cowering in fear and humiliation......its reckoning day ( s ).... obliterate hamas and its supporters and there will be peace n the region...

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 7:05 am ET

this people meet on sites like "or gi sh dot com"
and more woerse sites ... they celebreate death !
they did upload many false propaganda sites ... near to endles
its all just propaganda ... a endless network of propaganda!
and its not very well done .... its very easy and clear to see ... they only collect smart people :D .. who is a thinking person will olny laugh ;)

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 7:06 am ET

blah blah ... see you later dan ;)

Nona   January 14th, 2009 7:10 am ET

BOTH sides have to want peace if war is to ever stop.

There are exceptions on both sides, but based on the posts I've been reading here in the last few weeks, it's clear that the overwhelming majority of supporters on one side have a great desire for peace and the overwhelming majority of supporters on the other side have absolutely no interest in peace but an insatiable lust for destruction.

In the last thread, Bill remarked to one of the pro-Hamas posters: "You are how the West sees Muslims." And he's right.

People who hijack other people's user names give us a truly vivid example of the complete lack of values and the complete embracing of abominable inhumane tactics that Israel must deal with every single day.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 7:18 am ET

if israel gave a reason they must not wonder!
if people do dirty propaganda they must not wonder if it will crumble
if people occupie a state they must not wonder if the occupied people get angry!
dirty tactics? how may logis had this dan perman? u dont count it was toomuch... that was dirty ... so what are dirty people waiting for?
they seed wind they havarest a tornado
maybe that is not writen in the tora ... but it sounds logic:D

Brandon   January 14th, 2009 7:30 am ET



Nona   January 14th, 2009 7:33 am ET

Truth be told, I can a ball-busting bitch myself, Brandon.

The lies and the anti-Israel lies and ignorance I see on this blog can shorten my fuse, but the real horrific pro-Hamas stuff just really drives home in my mind the cultures that these people grew up in, where vengeance for the wrong of a dead cousin is more precious and praiseworthy than a peaceful life for the living child; where clerics preach hatred and war rather than love and peace; where the government-owned press pushes a government-driven agenda rather than attempts to report the facts; where it's OK to lie and twist the truth if it serves a purpose; where forgiveness is considered weakness; where perpetual victimization is encouraged and nobody is expected to improve their only life - only to wait for the next horror and the next hand-out and to celebrate the next "martyrdom" that snuffs out innocents.

After really truly seeing on this blog the way some religions and some governments cripple their people with poisonous, toxic ideology, I realize that the last time I was this proud to be an American was on 911.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 7:33 am ET

go on dan ... show us your blind hate
go on and please do biger letter !

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 7:42 am ET

bush was in need of 911, this was the legitimation to be president a second time, if le watch what some people, of the us-gov, are telling us today, think twice ... who was the woerst enemy of usa? bin laden? g w bush? ... how much toxic was done in his name?
terrible! the own people of bush are telling today that they did know not much about alquaeeda until 911, and they did not know much about saddam... but based on theory... not facts ... they did send the own people into a war? ... the own people had to risc theyr life because a theory
thats sad and woerse... well done toxic by bush friend to all americans!

M. M. Uddin   January 14th, 2009 7:46 am ET

Is CNN, BBC, VOA Collaborator of Israel?. Why CNN, BBC, VOA & other USA , European based media not showing real picture in GAZA? Where is so-called humanity?
The Muslims are not human being? only Israeli, American & European's are only human being. They are supporting killer who are killing Kashmiri People in India, Palestinian people, Iraqi People, Afghanistani People to create falls blame against them .

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 7:52 am ET

this is the first time i am on this specific blog (israeli tanks..) since it was established

you correctly observed that somebody hijacked my name

from the style, it is clear that it was akiva

he is getting desparate because nobody takes him seriously

Keys   January 14th, 2009 7:54 am ET

Hi Dan! Glad you are back in your real true skin!

These people are experienced hijackers - I'm sure that's no surprise to you.

I admire your unwavering support of Israel and your logical, fact-based arguments. I don't get to talk to you much, but I want you to know that.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 8:00 am ET

go on dan ... the game is over... you did allways friendly fire ... i told you stop it
you did not stop you were so clever
you poster lies and they did crumble
you was so blind you did not see it ... also yet your so blind and cant see it
you did come up with endles logins... that was a dirty tactic
and you were so smart ... a idiot was able to get all your different logins
and your so smart ! your postet so much friendly fire ... you traped all your friends ... you traped all your false propaganda sites
so much work and you did friendly nukeing... i told you dont fire your own people
but your in blind hate ... its not a miracle , you will earn friends ;)
and your sure very serious with endles logins seeding hate and lies!
your very serious and trustfull!
you traped your self all the time! and everyone told you, stop traping yourself, but your smart! your clever! you did nuke all your friends!
and still you cant see it

go on dan have a nice dream!

Nona   January 14th, 2009 8:02 am ET

Great to see THE REAL Dan back! Sorry to see you were the subject of such a slimy snake-like dirty trick.

Brandon - you are right about how great Hamas & its followers are at spreading terror. That's why Americans who don't support Israel are so obviously ignorant - they see these horrific pictures and jump to ridiculous conclusions like they're grabbing a McDonald's value meal - easy, but no nutritious self-interest whatsoever. Just a bunch of satisfying fat-filled junk with no real substance that provides nothing except immediate gratification based on misleading information.

blood is red   January 14th, 2009 8:33 am ET

The Palestinians are sinking in a sea of misery. And the world has pink sunglasses made in ISRAEL
Gaza is the largest concentration camp in the World.
The Jews learn well from the past, and apply the lesson to the Palestinians.

The Holocaust

The Holocaust was the systematic persecution and annihilation of more than 6 million Jews as a central act of state by Nazi Germany and its collaborators between 1933 and 1945. Although millions of others, such as Romani, Sinti, homosexuals, the disabled and political opponents of the Nazi regime, were also victims of persecution and murder, only the Jews were singled out for total extermination.
Under the leadership of Adolf Hitler, this brutal campaign began with a deliberate series of progressively hostile acts of bigotry, repression, humiliation and discrimination. Authorized by the Nazis and their collaborators, such actions were based on the views that the German (or "Aryan") people were a superior "race," that all non-Germans were therefore inferior, and that Jews were race-poisoners. The intervals between each phase - from antilocution (using hostile, bigoted language) to avoidance to discrimination to violence to genocide - were frighteningly small.
Jewish victims of the Holocaust were rounded up from all parts of Nazi-occupied Europe and shipped to concentration camps where almost all were shot, hanged, subjected to hideous medical experiments, gassed or worked to death. Only a small percentage survived. It did not matter whether they were rich or poor, religious or secular, or decorated soldiers of the First World War. If they had even one Jewish grandparent (a provision of the Nuremberg Laws), they were marked for destruction.
Any act of resistance against this juggernaut demanded enormous courage. Those who helped or rescued Jews did so at great risk to their own lives and those of their families. While most people remained silent or excused their complicity on the grounds that they were only following orders, a few remarkable people, known today as the Righteous Among Nations, took the risks and hid or rescued Jews. Contrary to the bestiality of the Nazis and the indifference of most people in Germany and in the Nazi-occupied nations, these individuals represent the finest and noblest of the human spirit.
When the Nazi regime collapsed in 1945 under the onslaught of the Allied nations and the world learned the full extent to which the hatred of Jews had been carried, the few Jewish survivors faced living without homes, possessions, families and communities. Many left Europe - the continent soaked with the blood of their fellow Jews - and tried to rebuild their shattered lives in the United States, in Israel and elsewhere. The Nazi dream of a "master race" came to an end at the War Crimes Trials held at Nuremberg in 1945. The United States, England, France and the Soviet Union joined forces to stand in judgment of the Nazi crimes against humanity.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 8:35 am ET


wellcome ... i hope you have a nice time here ;)
its very funy here :D
so much clever people :)
we can learn here a lot :D

and about the zionists ... international yourt of justice at den-haag!

benyemen   January 14th, 2009 8:35 am ET



Akiva   January 14th, 2009 8:39 am ET

hope will never die ;)

David Freeman   January 14th, 2009 8:42 am ET

Dear Nona,
you either a Israeli propagandas or you live in a bubble. You are simply echoing what you here on the news without researching anything? (you're not naïve enough to think Israel is our ally do you?) Sounds like you’re accusing others of your own ignorance. And you really believe that Israel is defending itself.

Are you aware that Israel is occupying mostly Palestinian land illegally? And when people resist the occupation, Israel hit back claiming self defense.. the notion of Israel defending itself is merely propaganda to fool people like you. Why? the aggressor (Israel) cannot claim self defense.. you can call it what you want, but it is not self defense …LOL.

Nona, You are accusing people of being ignorant you stated “That’s why Americans who don’t support Israel are so obviously ignorant — they see these horrific pictures and jump to ridiculous conclusions like they’re grabbing a McDonald’s value meal” it sounds to me like you overdosed on some Happy meals..LOL.. I encourage everybody to research on their own before the post anything on this blog. See videos below:

Nona, are you aware that Palestinians are ghettoized within 12 percent of the original territory in the West Bank. do you know that the West Bank is divided up into 70 isolated cantons with no physical movement without Israeli permission. There are over 500 military check points where Palestinians often wait hours, and must have ID cards and passes just to travel short distances. Israeli settlers can travel easily. Did you know Mr. Clarke that “The permit system for the Closed Zone is administered in an arbitrary and humiliating manner…This system, which subjects Palestinian freedom of movement to the whim of the Occupying Power, creates anger, anxiety and humiliation among the population.

You should have figured it out by now Hamas is simply irrelevant..even if you wipe out Hamas from the face of earth today.. other groups with different name but similar cause will emerge. When people are desperate they do separate things..

benyemen   January 14th, 2009 8:54 am ET




benyemen   January 14th, 2009 8:59 am ET


David Freeman   January 14th, 2009 9:01 am ET

Mr. Blood is Red,
You’re repeating a known history which mostly falling on deaf ears since it has no new meaning to current debate or events. When you say “The Jews learn well from the past, and apply the lesson to the Palestinians” that implies that all Jews have the same beliefs and that by itself is a fallacy

Professor   January 14th, 2009 9:07 am ET

Who will save Israel from itself?

By Mark LeVine

One by one the justifications given by Israel for its latest war in Gaza are unravelling.
The argument that this is a purely defensive war, launched only after Hamas broke a six-month ceasefire has been challenged, not just by observers in the know such as Jimmy Carter, the former US president who helped facilitate the truce, but by centre-right Israeli intelligence think tanks.

The Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, whose December 31 report titled "Six Months of the Lull Arrangement Intelligence Report," confirmed that the June 19 truce was only "sporadically violated, and then not by Hamas but instead by ... "rogue terrorist organisations".

Instead, "the escalation and erosion of the lull arrangement" occurred after Israel killed six Hamas members on November 4 without provocation and then placed the entire Strip under an even more intensive siege the next day.
According to a joint Tel Aviv University-European University study, this fits a larger pattern in which Israeli violence has been responsible for ending 79 per cent of all lulls in violence since the outbreak of the second intifada, compared with only 8 per cent for Hamas and other Palestinian factions.
Indeed, the Israeli foreign ministry seems to realise that this argument is losing credibility.

During a conference call with half a dozen pro-Israel professors on Thursday, Asaf Shariv, the Consul General of Israel in New York, focused more on the importance of destroying the intricate tunnel system connecting Gaza to the Sinai.

He claimed that such tunnels were "as big as the Holland and Lincoln tunnels," and offered as proof the "fact" that lions and monkeys had been smuggled through them to a zoo in Gaza. In reality, the lions were two small cubs that were drugged, thrown in sacks, and dragged through a tunnel on their way to a private zoo.

Israel's self-image
The claim that Hamas will never accept the existence of Israel has proved equally misinformed, as Hamas leaders explicitly announce their intention to do just that in the pages of the Los Angeles Times or to any international leader or journalist who will meet with them.

With each new family, 10, 20 and 30 strong, buried under the rubble of a building in Gaza, the claim that the Israeli forces have gone out of their way to diminish civilian casualties – long a centre-piece of Israel's image as an enlightened and moral democracy – is falling apart.

Anyone with an internet connection can Google "Gaza humanitarian catastrophe" and find the UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in the Occupied Territories and read the thousands of pages of evidence documenting the reality of the current fighting, and the long term siege on Gaza that preceded it.
The Red Cross, normally scrupulous in its unwillingness to single out parties to a conflict for criticism, sharply criticised Israel for preventing medical personnel from reaching wounded Palestinians, some of whom remained trapped for days, slowly starving and dying in the Gazan rubble amidst their dead relatives.

Meanwhile, the United Nations has flatly denied Israeli claims that Palestinian fighters were using the UNRWA school compound bombed on January 6, in which 40 civilians were killed, to launch attacks, and has challenged Israel to prove otherwise.

War crimes admission

Additionally, numerous flippant remarks by senior Israeli politicians and generals, including Tzipi Livni, the foreign minister, refusing to make a distinction between civilian people and institutions and fighters – "Hamas doesn't ... and neither should we" is how Livni puts it – are rightly being seen as admissions of war crimes.

Indeed, in reviewing statements by Israeli military planners leading up to the invasion, it is clear that there was a well thought out decision to go after Gaza's civilian infrastructure – and with it, civilians.

The following quote from an interview with Major-General Gadi Eisenkot that appeared in the Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth in October, is telling:

"We will wield disproportionate power against every village from which shots are fired on Israel, and cause immense damage and destruction. From our perspective these [the villages] are military bases," he said.

"This isn't a suggestion. This is a plan that has already been authorised."

Causing "immense damage and destruction" and considering entire villages "military bases" is absolutely prohibited under international law.

Eisenkot's description of this planning in light of what is now unfolding in Gaza is a clear admission of conspiracy and intent to commit war crimes, and when taken with the comments above, and numerous others, renders any argument by Israel that it has tried to protect civilians and is not engaging in disproportionate force unbelievable.

International laws violated
On the ground, the evidence mounts ever higher that Israel is systematically violating a host of international laws, including but not limited to Article 56 of the IV Hague Convention of 1907, the First Additional Protocol of the Geneva Convention, the Fourth Geneva Convention (more specifically known as the "Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949", the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, and the principles of Customary International Humanitarian Law.
None of this excuses or legitimises the firing of rockets or mortars by any Palestinian group at Israeli civilians and non-military targets.

As Richard Falk, the UN special rapporteur, declared in his most recent statement on Gaza: "It should be pointed out unambiguously that there is no legal (or moral) justification for firing rockets at civilian targets, and that such behavior is a violation of IHR, associated with the right to life, as well as constitutes a war crime."

By the same logic, however, Israel does not have the right to use such attacks as an excuse to launch an all-out assault on the entire population of Gaza.
In this context, even Israel's suffering from the constant barrage of rockets is hard to pay due attention to when the numbers of dead and wounded on each side are counted. Any sense of proportion is impossible to sustain with such a calculus.

'Rogue' state
Israeli commentators and scholars, self-described "loyal" Zionists who served proudly in the army in wars past, are now publicly describing their country, in the words of Oxford University professor Avi Shlaim, as a "rogue" and gangster" state led by "completely unscrupulous leaders".

Neve Gordon, a politics professor at Ben Gurion University, has declared that Israel's actions in Gaza are like "raising animals for slaughter on a farm" and represent a "bizarre new moral element" in warfare.
"The moral voice of restraint has been left behind ... Everything is permitted" against Palestinians, writes a disgusted Haaretz columnist, Gideon Levy.

Fellow Haaretz columnist and daughter of Holocaust survivors, Amira Haas writes of her late parents disgust at how Israeli leaders justified Israel's wars with a "language laundromat" aimed at redefining reality and Israel's moral compass. "Lucky my parents aren't alive to see this," she exclaimed.
Around the world people are beginning to compare Israel's attack on Gaza, which after the 2005 withdrawal of Israeli forces and settlers was turned literally into the world's largest prison, to the Jewish uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto.

Extremist Muslims are using internet forums to collect names and addresses of prominent European Jews with the goal, it seems clear, of assassinating them in retaliation for Israel's actions in Gaza.
Al-Qaeda is attempting to exploit this crisis to gain a foothold in Gaza and Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon and Syria, as well as through attacking Jewish communities globally.

Iran's defiance of both Israel and its main sponsor, the US, is winning it increasing sympathy with each passing day.

Democratic values eroded

Inside Israel, the violence will continue to erode both democratic values in the Jewish community, and any acceptance of the Jewish state's legitimacy in the eyes of its Palestinian citizens.
And yet in the US – at least in Washington and in the offices of the mainstream Jewish organisations – the chorus of support for Israel's war on Gaza continues to sing in tight harmony with official Israeli policy, seemingly deaf to the fact that they have become so out of tune with the reality exploding around them.
At my university, UCI, where last summer Jewish and Muslim students organised a trip together through the occupied territories and Israel so they could see with their own eyes the realities there, old battle lines are being redrawn.

The Anteaters for Israel, the college pro-Israel group at the University of California, Irvine, sent out an urgent email to the community explaining that, "Over the past week, increasing amounts of evidence lead us to believe that Hamas is largely responsible for any alleged humanitarian crisis in Gaza".
I have no idea who the "us" is that is referred to in the appeal, although I am sure that the membership of that group is shrinking.

Indeed, one of the sad facts of this latest tragedy is that with each claim publicly refuted by facts on the ground, more and more Americans, including Jews, are refusing to trust the assertions of Israeli and American Jewish leaders.


Even worse, in the Arab/Muslim world, the horrific images pouring out of Gaza daily are allowing preachers and politicians to deploy well-worn yet still dangerous and inciteful stereotypes against Jews as they rally the masses against Israel – and through it – their own governments.
What is most frightening is that the most important of Israel's so-called friends, the US political establishment and the mainstream Jewish leadership, seem clueless to the devastating trap that Israel has led itself into – in good measure with their indulgence and even help.

It is one that threatens the country's existence far more than any Qassam rockets, with their 0.4 per cent kill rate; even more than the disastrous 2006 invasion of southern Lebanon, which by weakening Israel's deterrence capability in some measure made this war inevitable.
First, it is clear that Israel cannot destroy Hamas, it cannot stop the rockets unless it agrees to a truce that will go far to meeting the primary demand of Hamas – an end to the siege.

Merely by surviving (and it surely will survive) Hamas, like Hezbollah in 2006, will have won.

Israel is succeeding in doing little more than creating another generation of Palestinians with hearts filled with rage and a need for revenge.
Second, Israel's main patron, the US, along with the conservative Arab autocracies and monarchies that are its only allies left in the Muslim world, are losing whatever crumbs of legitimacy they still had with their young and angry populations.

The weaker the US and its axis becomes in the Middle East, the more precarious becomes Israel's long-term security. Indeed, any chance that the US could convince the Muslim world to pressure Iran to give up its quest for nuclear weapons has been buried in Gaza.
Third, as Israel brutalises Palestinians, it brutalises its own people. You cannot occupy another people and engage in violence against them at this scale without doing even greater damage to your soul.

The high incidence of violent crimes committed by veterans returning from combat duty in Iraq is but one example of how the violence of occupation and war eat away at people's moral centre.
While in the US only a small fraction of the population participates in war; in Israel, most able-bodied men end up participating.

The effects of the latest violence perpetrated against Palestinians upon the collective Israeli soul is incalculable; the notion that it can survive as an "ethnocracy" – favouring one ethnic group, Jews, yet by and large democratic – is becoming a fiction.

Who will save Israel from herself?

Israelis are clearly incapable. Their addiction as a society to the illusion of violence-as-power has reached the level of collective mental illness.

As Haaretz reporter Yossi Melman described it on January 10, "Israel has created an image of itself of a madman that has lost it".

Not Palestinians, too many of whom have fallen prey to the same condition.
Not the Middle East Quartet, the European Union, the United Nations, or the Arab League, all of whom are utterly powerless to influence Israeli policy.
Not the organised Jewish leadership in the US and Europe, who are even more blind to what is happening than most Israelis, who at least allow internal debate about the wisdom of their government's policies.

Not the growing progressive Jewish community, which will need years to achieve enough social and political power to challenge the status quo.
And not senior American politicians and policy-makers who are either unwilling to risk alienating American Jewish voters, or have been so brainwashed by the constant barrage of propaganda put out by the "Israel Lobby" that they are incapable of reaching an independent judgment about the conflict.
During the US presidential race, Barack Obama was ridiculed for being a messiah-like figure. The idea does not sound so funny now. It is hard to imagine anyone less saving Israel, the Palestinians, and the world from another four years of mindless violence.

Update: In a further challenge to the democratic process in Israel, on January 12, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that the Central Elections Committee had voted overwhelmingly to bar Arab-led parties from participating in the upcoming parliamentary elections.

Also, there are reports that the claim that extremist Muslims are using the internet to collect names and addresses of prominent British Jews in order to attack them, might in fact have been a hoax.

Mark LeVine is a professor of Middle East history at the University of California, Irvine, and is the author of Heavy Metal Islam: Rock, Resistance, and the Struggle for the Soul of Islam and the soon to be published An Impossible Peace: Israel/Palestine Since 1989.

Professor   January 14th, 2009 9:09 am ET

Israel 'using white phosphorus'

Human Rights Watch has called on Israel to stop using white phosphorus which it says has been used in military operations in the densely populated Gaza Strip.

The US-based group said that its researchers observed the use of the chemical, which can burn away human flesh to the bone, over Gaza City and Jabaliya on Friday and Saturday.
"We went by Israeli artillery units that had white phosphorus rounds with the fuses in them," Marc Garlasco, a senior military analyst at Human Rights Watch, told Al Jazeera.

"Clearly it is [white phosphorus], we can tell by the explosions and the tendrils that go down [and] the fires that were burning," he said.
"Today there were massive attacks in Jabaliya when we were there. We saw that there were numerous fires once the white phosphorus had gone in."


International law permits the use of white phopshorus as an "obscurant" to cover troop movements and prevent enemies from using certain guided weapons, but its use is controversial as it can injure people through painful chemical burns.
"Even if they are using it as an obscurant, they are using it in a very densely populated area," Garlasco said.

"The problem is it covers such a wide area that when the white phosphorus wafers come down, over 100 in each artillery shell, they burn everything they touch and they don't stop burning until they are done.

"You are talking about skin damage, potentially homes going on fire, damage to infrastructure."

Human Rights Watch said that it believed the use of the chemical in Gaza violated the requirement under international humanitarian law to take all feasible precautions to avoid civilian injury and loss of life.

The Israeli military has previously denied using white phosphorus during the 15-day offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has said that any munitions that it does use comply with international law.

Israel used white phophorus during its 34-day war against Lebanon's Hezbollah movement in 2006, while the United States used it during the controversial siege of the Iraqi city of Fallujah in 2004.

benyemen   January 14th, 2009 9:09 am ET



Professor   January 14th, 2009 9:14 am ET

Israel's 'other voices' go unheard

By Rachel Shabi in Israel

"It is very difficult to add a different voice, because the public and media discourse is so monochrome and so militaristic," said Nomika Zion, an Israeli member of the peace collective, Another Voice.
This group, which comprises residents of both Gaza and neighbouring Israeli towns like Sderot, is seeking to present an alternative to the majority of Israeli pro-war opinions that currently dominate the media.
It is a tough task.

Zion, herself from Sderot, recalled one occasion when a colleague was verbally attacked in the middle of a TV interview by a group of passers-by who tried to pull the mike away from him.
"I really feel that our democracy is in trouble sometimes," she says.
"If you can't raise your voice and say things aloud without being scared that someone will attack you, it is very dangerous for our society."

Deconstructing government justifications

Media reports on the Israeli view of the country's war in Gaza converge on the overwhelming public approval for it – polls show over 80 per cent are in favour of the attacks.
Israelis who are not supportive of the war face the sort of public derision that Zion describes.

They also face the challenge of deconstructing the government's justification for its deadly assaults on Gaza – a series of key messages that are strongly endorsed in both public and media spheres.
Such messages include assertions that Hamas is a terrorist organisation backed by Iran; Hamas broke the six-month ceasefire that ended a few weeks ago; and that Israel is waging a war of self-defence against Hamas and not against ordinary Gazans.
"Many people in Israel call us traitors and war criminals because we talk about the war while it is still going on," said Teddy Katz of the Israeli peace group, Gush Shalom.
"But the truth is that this government ordered a criminal war."

Alternative voices
Gush Shalom is one member of a coalition that held a news conference on Wednesday, January 7, 2009, to brief the media on peace camp positions.
Some speakers at the news conference focused on what they held to be Israel's real motives for the war – election success and also, according to Katz, sanitising corrupt political reputations is also a factor.
Others presented alternative voices from Israel's southern region, which has for years been in the line of fire of rockets from Gaza – and which is considered predominantly in favour of the war ostensibly waged to defend it.

"My son is there [serving in Gaza] and my other sons are scared by the bombs falling over our house," said Dr Yeela Raanan, from Moshav Ein-Habsor, a farm community on the Israeli edge of the Gaza strip.
"As a mother, it's scary ... and I think about the mothers in Gaza and how much more scared they are feeling during this time."
In Sderot, Zion explains that it is precisely because she has been traumatised by rocket attacks that she has less tolerance for her nation's current militaristic mood.
"As a wounded person, I cannot bear this," she said.
"I feel there is such a euphoria and glorification of war, as though it's a wedding or a celebration. I can't agree with this attitude. War is a dangerous and traumatic thing and we have to treat it like that."

Media shift
Mass support for war surfaces in the national media at the start of any assault, says Professor Gabriel Weimann, a communications expert at Haifa University who has researched media coverage across several conflict zones.
"During the first week, in every war, the media is very patriotic and rallies round the flag," he said.
"Journalists see themselves more as citizens than professionals."
But the national media shifts as a war progresses, he adds, and this is already beginning to happen in Israel.
"You can see a split and cleavages within the Israel public media," he said.
"At every junction of the operation, there is potential for disagreements. So, now, after the ground attack began, you see articles about how far Israel should go, if it should stay in Gaza, move into the cities, go after Hamas or negotiate with Hamas."
Analysts say that the fate of the Israeli combat soldiers on the ground in Gaza is the factor most likely to turn public opinion about the war.
"The value of a soldier is perceived as greater than the value of a civilian," said Professor Tamara Hermann, the co-author of a monthly poll that monitors Israeli public opinion.
"The media and public discussion on Israeli soldiers relates to them as children, as sons and not as actual soldiers in tanks and so on. There is an understanding that Israeli soldiers are all our children – so that's why they are so dear to us."

kapil sharma   January 14th, 2009 9:19 am ET

it is very obvious that israel will use its full millitary might to dismantle hamas.hamas is a by produt of palestine only and they will have to bear the burnt for voting for a extremist organisation like hamas which been lablled as terrorist organisation by U.S.

blood is red   January 14th, 2009 9:19 am ET

To Mr. Freeman
It is obvious that not all the fingers are the identical.
But belong to the same hand.

benyemen   January 14th, 2009 9:21 am ET










Professor   January 14th, 2009 9:22 am ET

Israel accused of Gaza 'genocide'

The president of the UN General Assembly has condemned Israel's killings of Palestinians in its Gaza offensive as "genocide".
Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann also told Al Jazeera he had never believed that the UN Security Council would be able to stop the violence in Gaza and that Ehud Olmert, the Israeli prime minister, had practically told the UN to "mind their own business" by continuing the offensive.
"The number of victims in Gaza is increasing by the day... The situation is untenable. It's genocide," d'Escoto said at the UN in New York.
About 970 Palestinians have been killed and 4,300 injured since Israel began its Gaza offensive on December 27, which it says is to stop Palestinian fighters attacking Israel with rockets.
Emergency session
The UN General Assembly said on Tuesday that it was set to hold an emergency session on Thursday to discuss the crisis after a previous session was postponed last week ahead of a UN Security Council vote on the issue.
The Security Council adopted a resolution calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, but Israel has escalated its offensive and Palestinian rocket fire has also continued.
"There have been some who were under the illusion that the Security Council would do something that could help the situation," d'Escoto said. "I never thought so.
"Now we're faced with not only with a lack of compliance but with a prime minister of Israel who has practically responded to the Security Council by saying 'mind your own business'.
"It's unbelievable that a country that owes its existence to a general assembly resolution could be so disdainful of the resolutions that emanate from the UN."
D'Escoto, a former Roman Catholic priest and Nicaragua foreign minister, is known for his outspoken criticism of Israel and last year likened Israel's treatment of the Palestinians to the racist apartheid system previously used in South Africa.
Gabriela Shalev, Israel's ambassador to the UN, called d'Escoto an "Israel hater" for having hugged Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president and a vocal critic of Israel.
D'Escoto also said the UN had to bear some responsibility for the long-standing conflict in the Middle East as it had allowed the creation of the state of Israel in 1948, leaving the Palestinians stateless.
"You have to attack problems at their root cause and the Palestinian people have been subjected to subhuman treatment for decades and this [the Israeli offensive] is going to make matters worse."
Ban visit
Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general, is travelling to the Middle East to press for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza.
Ban will first visit Cairo, where he will meet Hosni Mubarak, the Egyptian president, for talks on a joint French-Egyptian ceasefire initiative.
He then heads to Jordan, Israel, the Palestinian Authority-controlled West Bank, Turkey, Lebanon, Syria and Kuwait where he said an Arab League economic summit will also hold talks on Gaza.
Officials said he would not visit Gaza because of the ongoing conflict.

Professor   January 14th, 2009 9:25 am ET

Israel 'shelled Gaza civilians'

The United Nations says it has received reports that about 30 Palestinians were killed when Israeli forces shelled a house after they had moved about 110 civilians inside it.
"According to several testimonies, on 4 January Israeli foot soldiers evacuated approximately 110 Palestinians into a single-residence house in Zeitun, warning them to stay indoors," the UN report said on Friday.
"Twenty-four hours later, Israeli forces shelled the home repeatedly, killing approximately 30."
The incident took place on Monday in the Zeitun neighbourhood of Gaza City on Monday, the report said.
The UN Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) called it "one of the gravest incidents since the beginning of operations" by Israeli forces in Gaza on December 27.
"Those who survived and were able walked two kilometres to Salah Ed Din road before being transported to hospital in civilian vehicles," OCHA said.
"Three children, the youngest of whom was five months old, died upon arrival at the hospital."
The Israeli military said on Friday that it had no knowledge of the incident.
Wounded wait

The Israeli B'Tselem human rights group quoted Meysa Fawzi al Samouni, a 19-year-old resident, as saying that soldiers forced her and dozens of others to move into the warehouse-like home of another resident before the attack.
"As far as I know, the dead and wounded who were under the ruins are still there," B'Tselem quoted her as saying.
Ibrahim Samouni, a 13-year-old boy who was wounded in the leg and chest, told the Reuters news agency that he kept his three younger brothers alive and tried to help the injured adults lying among the dead after his mother was killed in the incident.
"There was no water, no bread, nothing to eat," he said.

"Abu Salah died, his wife died. Abu Tawfiq died, his son died, his wife also died. Mohammed Ibrahim died, and his mother died. Ishaq died and Nasar died. The wife of Nael Samouni died. Many people died."

Emergency workers from the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) and the Palestinian Red Crescent said they were not able to reach the wounded for four days because Israel would not allow them safe passage.

They said the children were starving when rescuers finally reached them after the "unacceptable" delay.

"They were too weak to stand up on their own. One man was also found alive, too weak to stand up. In all, there were at least 12 corpses lying on mattresses," the ICRC said.

Civilian casualties

Pierre Wettach, the ICRC chief for Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, said: "The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded.
"Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestinian Red Crescent to assist the wounded."

Israel has repreatedly insisted it has tried to avert civilian casualties during its two-week aerial and ground assault on the territory.

"From initial checking, we don't have knowledge of this incident. We started an inquiry but we still don't know about it," Avital Leibovich, an Israeli military spokeswoman, said about the reported shelling incident.

More than 780 people, including at least 257 children and 56 women, have been killed during Israel's aerial bombardment and ground offensive, the UN has said.

blood is red   January 14th, 2009 9:25 am ET

By Stephen R. Kaufman, M.D.

Part 20: Violence in the Hebrew Scriptures

Violence is a central theme of the Hebrew Scriptures, with over 1000 passages discussing violence or threats of violence. (See Raymond Schwager, Must There Be Scapegoats?) Rarely, God is violently destructive for no apparent reason. Uncommonly, God angrily takes out revenge for evildoing. Much more frequently, God hands over evildoers to violent humans, who do the punishing for God. An example of God turning over evildoers to violent humans is Ezekiel 21:31, which describes God’s wrath against the Ammonites: “And I will pour out my indignation upon you; I will blow upon you with the fire of my wrath; and I will deliver you into the hands of brutal men, skillful to destroy.” One might see this as divine retribution, but one may also read this passage as illustrating the effects of mimetic violence.

The Hebrews, hating their enemies, believed that their own violence was ordained by God–sacred acts of retribution and justice. It is certainly possible that God is indeed bent on violence and revenge. I think that one may also, reasonably, adopt a Girardian approach and conclude that the ancient Hebrew’s own written account of conflicts attributes their own vengeful violence to the will of God.

It is remarkable that, in about 70 passages of the Hebrew Scriptures, people are punished by the effects of their own sinfulness. For example, the writer of Proverbs observes, “He who digs a pit will fall into it; and a stone will come back upon him who starts it rolling.” (26-27) Similarly, the Psalmist writes, “He makes a pit, digging it out, and falls into the hole which he has made. His mischief returns upon his own head, and on his own pate his violence descends.” (7:15-16) From a Girardian perspective, this is a profound insight. These passages assert that our violence is not the solution to injustice but rather the cause of discord and misery that ultimately hurts everyone.

How are the Hebrew Scriptures different from the justifications for violence seen among other people? The answer is that the picture is ambiguous. The ancient Hebrews were starting to recognize the process of victimization. Perhaps their experience as slaves in Egypt made them more sensitive to the predicament of the scapegoated victim. Whatever the cause, the Psalmist’s lamentations articulate well the victim’s perspective. About 100 of the 150 psalms relate the writer’s anguish at being a victim. He is, for example, “despised” and “hated without cause” and his tormenters are “numerous” and “deceitful.” However, like other ancient people, he often dreams of revenge (for example Psalm 137: “O daughter of Babylon, you devastator! Happy shall be he who requites you with what you have done to us! Happy shall be he who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!”). The ancient Hebrews often sought mimetic, reciprocal violence, even if the victims of revenge were innocent children, but at the same time they were starting to recognize the scapegoating mechanism, the process of victimization, and the hazards of mimetic violence.

Professor   January 14th, 2009 9:26 am ET

Hamas: We will win war in Gaza

By Shane Bauer in Damascus
Israel's war on Gaza has left more than 700 Palestinians dead – nearly a third of them women and children – and more than 3,000 injured.
But at the organisation's headquarters in Damascus, 100km from the territory, Musa Abu Marzouq, the deputy head of Hamas' political bureau, told Al Jazeera why he believes his organisation is on the verge of victory against Israel.
Al Jazeera: Under what conditions will Hamas agree a ceasefire with Israel?
Abu Marzouq: We have three conditions for any peace initiative coming from any state.
First, the aggression of the Israelis should stop. All of the gates should be opened, including the gate of Rafah between the Gaza Strip and Egypt. Finally, Israel has to withdraw from the Gaza Strip.
We are not saying we will stop firing rockets from the Gaza Strip to Israel – we are only talking about stopping the aggression from the Israelis against the civilian population in the Gaza Strip.
When others talk about a ceasefire, they are saying all military operations should stop.
But we are sending a message [by firing rockets]: "We will not surrender. We have to fight the Israelis and we will win this battle."
We know we are going to lose a lot of people from our side, but we are going to win, inshallah.
Members of Hamas have said that Israel is using collective punishment by targeting civilians who support Hamas. But is Hamas' targeting of Israeli civilians also not a type of collective punishment?
We are defending ourselves.
When you talk about any occupation, people should resist the soldiers and the army who occupy their country.
We don't have weapons sophisticated enough to launch at exact targets.
We are sending a message: "You can't provide security to your side until you bring security to the Palestinian side."
We are looking for freedom and for security for the Palestinian people. This is our message to Israel.
They need to understand that we are working for an independent state.
How do you think Israel's war on Gaza will affect Hamas' position?
The Israeli push against Hamas has increased our popularity sharply among the Palestinian people and throughout the Muslim world.
After the Israelis killed Hamas leaders like Ahmed Yassin and Ismail Abu Shanab, Hamas won the elections with 76 seats out of a 132-seat parliament.
Using these means doesn't decrease the popularity of Hamas, it increases it.
What exactly would you consider to be "victory" for Hamas?
A victory for Hamas would mean the Israelis did not accomplish their objectives.
If they can't stop rockets from coming into Israel, that means they failed.
But the real reason for Israel's aggression is to change the Hamas government in the Gaza Strip – they have been thinking about this since Hamas won the elections – it is not because of the rockets.
They failed to lead the people in an uprising against Hamas in the Gaza Strip with their economic embargo.
They tried to push Fatah to stand and fight Hamas, but we defeated them in the Gaza Strip, so the Israelis have taken action themselves.
Why, at the beginning of this conflict, did Hamas decide not to renew the six-month ceasefire?
We agreed to this ceasefire under Egyptian mediation with certain conditions.
All military operations were to be stopped by June 19.
All of the six gates between Israel and Gaza were to remain open.
In the first 10 days of the truce, 30 per cent of the goods coming from Israel to the Gaza Strip were to be allowed in and, after that 10-day period, all supplies were to be allowed to enter.
Also, there was to be a meeting between the Europeans, Egyptians, the Palestinian Authority and Hamas to discuss how to open the Rafah gate.
Finally, the ceasefire was supposed to be extended to the West Bank.
During those six months, the Israelis kept the border crossings closed most of the time.
Only 15 per cent of goods were allowed to enter the Gaza Strip from Israel.
They killed more than 40 people in the last month of the ceasefire, eight of which were in the last week.
On many occasions, the Egyptians told us that the Israelis were not respecting the agreement.
Their refusal to allow supplies to enter was a type of slow killing of the Palestinians.
The Palestinians eventually asked: "What is the use of this ceasefire for us?"
For that reason, we didn't renew that agreement.
Khalid Meshaal, the leader of Hamas, in December called for a "military intifada against the Zionist enemy" and as a "peaceful intifada internally".
What did he mean by an internal peaceful intifada?
I think he meant that there needs to be internal change among the Palestinians.
Right now the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank controls everything. This is not acceptable.
We need to peacefully change these conditions.
How are relations between Hamas and Fatah now?
Now the priority for Hamas, Fatah or any Palestinian organisation is to stand against the Israeli aggression.
After we finish with this battle, I guess we can talk about reconciliation or reuniting with Fatah.
We openly welcome any kind of negotiation or dialogue between Fatah and Hamas to end the separation of the Palestinians.
When French president Nicolas Sarkozy met with Syrian president Bahsar al-Assad, many said he tried to encourage Damascus to put pressure on Hamas to stop firing rockets.
Have you faced any kind of pressure from Syria?
We haven't seen any pressure from Syria.
They respect our independence. They respect our choices. They respect the policies we chose for our people.
Has Hamas had any contact with the administration of Barack Obama, the US president-elect?
No, we haven't had any direct contact.
Do you have any expectations regarding the approach of Hillary Clinton, the US nominee-designate for the post of US secretary of state?
We cannot evaluate something that lies in the future.
We know that in the US senate, Hillary Clinton's vote was always with Israel, but maybe there will be some differences when she becomes secretary of state.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 9:34 am ET

hamas stronger then ever and worldwide!
that are the goals of israel!
israel is so stupid!
they do a war to shrink the hamas... and they get more of them then ever
such idiots :D

Dare Olusegun   January 14th, 2009 9:34 am ET

Israel shows no respect for rule of law, humanity and the world, and so there can be no peace unless we have equal right and justice.

It's a shame on political and world leaders.

blood is red   January 14th, 2009 9:36 am ET

The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy

by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy

John J. Mearsheimer
Department of Political Science
University of Chicago

Stephen M. Walt
John F. Kennedy School of Government
Harvard University

March 2006

The two authors of this Working Paper are solely responsible for the views expressed in it. As academic institutions, Harvard University and the University of Chicago do not take positions on the scholarship of the individual faculty, and this article not should be interpreted or portrayed as reflecting the official position of either institution. It is reprinted on with permission.

An edited and reworked version of this paper was published in the London Review of Books Vol. 28, No. 6 (March 23, 2006), and is available online at


U.S. foreign policy shapes events in every corner of the globe. Nowhere is this truer than in the Middle East, a region of recurring instability and enormous strategic importance. Most recently, the Bush Administration’s attempt to transform the region into a community of democracies has helped produce a resilient insurgency in Iraq, a sharp rise in world oil prices, and terrorist bombings in Madrid, London, and Amman. With so much at stake for so many, all countries need to understand the forces that drive U.S. Middle East policy.

The U.S. national interest should be the primary object of American foreign policy. For the past several decades, however, and especially since the Six Day War in 1967, the centerpiece of U.S. Middle East policy has been its relationship with Israel. The combination of unwavering U.S. support for Israel and the related effort to spread democracy throughout the region has inflamed Arab and Islamic opinion and jeopardized U.S. security.

This situation has no equal in American political history. Why has the United States been willing to set aside its own security in order to advance the interests of another state? One might assume that the bond between the two countries is based on shared strategic interests or compelling moral imperatives. As we show below, however, neither of those explanations can account for the remarkable level of material and diplomatic support that the United States provides to Israel.

Instead, the overall thrust of U.S. policy in the region is due almost entirely to U.S. domestic politics, and especially to the activities of the "Israel Lobby." Other special interest groups have managed to skew U.S. foreign policy in directions they favored, but no lobby has managed to divert U.S. foreign policy as far from what the American national interest would otherwise suggest, while simultaneously convincing Americans that U.S. and Israeli interests are essentially identical.1

In the pages that follow, we describe how the Lobby has accomplished this feat, and how its activities have shaped America’s actions in this critical region. Given the strategic importance of the Middle East and its potential impact on others, both Americans and non-Americans need to understand and address the Lobby’s influence on U.S. policy.

Some readers will find this analysis disturbing, but the facts recounted here are not in serious dispute among scholars. Indeed, our account relies heavily on the work of Israeli scholars and journalists, who deserve great credit for shedding light on these issues. We also rely on evidence provided by respected Israeli and international human rights organizations. Similarly, our claims about the Lobby’s impact rely on testimony from the Lobby’s own members, as well as testimony from politicians who have worked with them. Readers may reject our conclusions, of course, but the evidence on which they rest is not controversial.


Since the October War in 1973, Washington has provided Israel with a level of support dwarfing the amounts provided to any other state. It has been the largest annual recipient of direct U.S. economic and military assistance since 1976 and the largest total recipient since World War II. Total direct U.S. aid to Israel amounts to well over $140 billion in 2003 dollars.2 Israel receives about $3 billion in direct foreign assistance each year, which is roughly one-fifth of America’s foreign aid budget. In per capita terms, the United States gives each Israeli a direct subsidy worth about $500 per year.3 This largesse is especially striking when one realizes that Israel is now a wealthy industrial state with a per capita income roughly equal to South Korea or Spain.4

Israel also gets other special deals from Washington.5 Other aid recipients get their money in quarterly installments, but Israel receives its entire appropriation at the beginning of each fiscal year and thus earns extra interest. Most recipients of American military assistance are required to spend all of it in the United States, but Israel can use roughly twenty-five percent of its aid allotment to subsidize its own defense industry. Israel is the only recipient that does not have to account for how the aid is spent, an exemption that makes it virtually impossible to prevent the money from being used for purposes the United States opposes, like building settlements in the West Bank.

Moreover, the United States has provided Israel with nearly $3 billion to develop weapons systems like the Lavi aircraft that the Pentagon did not want or need, while giving Israel access to top-drawer U.S. weaponry like Blackhawk helicopters and F-16 jets. Finally, the United States gives Israel access to intelligence that it denies its NATO allies and has turned a blind eye towards Israel’s acquisition of nuclear weapons.6

In addition, Washington provides Israel with consistent diplomatic support. Since 1982, the United States has vetoed 32 United Nations Security Council resolutions that were critical of Israel, a number greater than the combined total of vetoes cast by all the other Security Council members.7 It also blocks Arab states’ efforts to put Israel’s nuclear arsenal on the International Atomic Energy Agency’s agenda.8

The United States also comes to Israel’s rescue in wartime and takes its side when negotiating peace. The Nixon Administration re-supplied Israel during the October War and protected Israel from the threat of Soviet intervention. Washington was deeply involved in the negotiations that ended that war as well as the lengthy "step-by-step" process that followed, just as it played a key role in the negotiations that preceded and followed the 1993 Oslo Accords.9 There were occasional frictions between U.S. and Israeli officials in both cases, but the United States coordinated its positions closely with Israel and consistently backed the Israeli approach to the negotiations. Indeed, one American participant at Camp David (2000) later said, "far too often, we functioned . . . as Israel’s lawyer."10

As discussed below, Washington has given Israel wide latitude in dealing with the occupied territories (the West Bank and Gaza Strip), even when its actions were at odds with stated U.S. policy. Moreover, the Bush Administration’s ambitious strategy to transform the Middle East – beginning with the invasion of Iraq – is at least partly intended to improve Israel’s strategic situation. Apart from wartime alliances, it is hard to think of another instance where one country has provided another with a similar level of material and diplomatic support for such an extended period. America’s support for Israel is, in short, unique.

This extraordinary generosity might be understandable if Israel were a vital strategic asset or if there were a compelling moral case for sustained U.S. backing. But neither rationale is convincing.


According to the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee’s (AIPAC) website, "the United States and Israel have formed a unique partnership to meet the growing strategic threats in the Middle East . . . . This cooperative effort provides significant benefits for both the United States and Israel."11 This claim is an article of faith among Israel’s supporters and is routinely invoked by Israeli politicians and pro-Israel Americans.

Israel may have been a strategic asset during the Cold War.12 By serving as America’s proxy after the Six Day War (1967), Israel helped contain Soviet expansion in the region and inflicted humiliating defeats on Soviet clients like Egypt and Syria. Israel occasionally helped protect other U.S. allies (like Jordan’s King Hussein) and its military prowess forced Moscow to spend more backing its losing clients. Israel also gave the United States useful intelligence about Soviet capabilities.

Israel’s strategic value during this period should not be overstated, however.13 Backing Israel was not cheap, and it complicated America’s relations with the Arab world. For example, the U.S. decision to give Israel $2.2 billion in emergency military aid during the October War triggered an OPEC oil embargo that inflicted considerable damage on Western economies. Moreover, Israel’s military could not protect U.S. interests in the region. For example, the United States could not rely on Israel when the Iranian Revolution in 1979 raised concerns about the security of Persian Gulf oil supplies, and had to create its own "Rapid Deployment Force" instead.

Even if Israel was a strategic asset during the Cold War, the first Gulf War (1990- 91) revealed that Israel was becoming a strategic burden. The United States could not use Israeli bases during the war without rupturing the anti-Iraq coalition, and it had to divert resources (e.g., Patriot missile batteries) to keep Tel Aviv from doing anything that might fracture the alliance against Saddam. History repeated itself in 2003: although Israel was eager for the United States to attack Saddam, President Bush could not ask it to help without triggering Arab opposition. So Israel stayed on the sidelines again.14

Beginning in the 1990s, and especially after 9/11, U.S. support for Israel has been justified by the claim that both states are threatened by terrorist groups originating in the Arab or Muslim world, and by a set of "rogue states" that back these groups and seek WMD. This rationale implies that Washington should give Israel a free hand in dealing with the Palestinians and not press Israel to make concessions until all Palestinian terrorists are imprisoned or dead. It also implies that the United States should go after countries like the Islamic Republic of Iran, Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, and Bashar al-Assad’s Syria. Israel is thus seen as a crucial ally in the war on terror, because its enemies are America’s enemies. This new rationale seems persuasive, but Israel is in fact a liability in the war on terror and the broader effort to deal with rogue states.

To begin with, "terrorism" is a tactic employed by a wide array of political groups; it is not a single unified adversary. The terrorist organizations that threaten Israel (e.g., Hamas or Hezbollah) do not threaten the United States, except when it intervenes against them (as in Lebanon in 1982). Moreover, Palestinian terrorism is not random violence directed against Israel or "the West"; it is largely a response to Israel’s prolonged campaign to colonize the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

More importantly, saying that Israel and the United States are united by a shared terrorist threat has the causal relationship backwards: rather, the United States has a terrorism problem in good part because it is so closely allied with Israel, not the other way around. U.S. support for Israel is not the only source of anti- American terrorism, but it is an important one, and it makes winning the war on terror more difficult.15 There is no question, for example, that many al Qaeda leaders, including bin Laden, are motivated by Israel’s presence in Jerusalem and the plight of the Palestinians. According to the U.S. 9/11 Commission, bin Laden explicitly sought to punish the United States for its policies in the Middle East, including its support for Israel, and he even tried to time the attacks to highlight this issue.16

Equally important, unconditional U.S. support for Israel makes it easier for extremists like bin Laden to rally popular support and to attract recruits. Public opinion polls confirm that Arab populations are deeply hostile to American support for Israel, and the U.S. State Department’s Advisory Group on Public Diplomacy for the Arab and Muslim world found that "citizens in these countries are genuinely distressed at the plight of the Palestinians and at the role they perceive the United States to be playing."17

As for so-called rogue states in the Middle East, they are not a dire threat to vital U.S. interests, apart from the U.S. commitment to Israel itself. Although the United States does have a number of disagreements with these regimes, Washington would not be nearly as worried about Iran, Ba’thist Iraq, or Syria were it not so closely tied to Israel. Even if these states acquire nuclear weapons – which is obviously not desirable – it would not be a strategic disaster for the United States. Neither America nor Israel could be blackmailed by a nuclear-armed rogue, because the blackmailer could not carry out the threat without receiving overwhelming retaliation. The danger of a "nuclear handoff" to terrorists is equally remote, because a rogue state could not be sure the transfer would be undetected or that it would not be blamed and punished afterwards.

Furthermore, the U.S. relationship with Israel actually makes it harder to deal with these states. Israel’s nuclear arsenal is one reason why some of its neighbors want nuclear weapons, and threatening these states with regime change merely increases that desire. Yet Israel is not much of an asset when the United States contemplates using force against these regimes, because it cannot participate in the fight.

In short, treating Israel as America’s most important ally in the campaign against terrorism and assorted Middle East dictatorships both exaggerates Israel’s ability to help on these issues and ignores the ways that Israel’s policies make U.S. efforts more difficult.

Unquestioned support for Israel also weakens the U.S. position outside the Middle East. Foreign elites consistently view the United States as too supportive of Israel, and think its tolerance of Israeli repression in the occupied territories is morally obtuse and a handicap in the war on terrorism.18 In April 2004, for example, 52 former British diplomats sent Prime Minister Tony Blair a letter saying that the Israel-Palestine conflict had "poisoned relations between the West and the Arab and Islamic worlds," and warning that the policies of Bush and Prime Minister Ariel Sharon were "one-sided and illegal."19

A final reason to question Israel’s strategic value is that it does not act like a loyal ally. Israeli officials frequently ignore U.S. requests and renege on promises made to top U.S. leaders (including past pledges to halt settlement construction and to refrain from "targeted assassinations" of Palestinian leaders).20 Moreover, Israel has provided sensitive U.S. military technology to potential U.S. rivals like China, in what the U.S. State Department Inspector-General called "a systematic and growing pattern of unauthorized transfers."21 According to the U.S. General Accounting Office, Israel also "conducts the most aggressive espionage operations against the U.S. of any ally."22 In addition to the case of Jonathan Pollard, who gave Israel large quantities of classified material in the early 1980s (which Israel reportedly passed onto the Soviet Union to gain more exit visas for Soviet Jews), a new controversy erupted in 2004 when it was revealed that a key Pentagon official (Larry Franklin) had passed classified information to an Israeli diplomat, allegedly aided by two AIPAC officials.23 Israel is hardly the only country that spies on the United States, but its willingness to spy on its principal patron casts further doubt on its strategic value.

The Turk   January 14th, 2009 9:36 am ET

this tragedy of humanity happens in front of so called "cultures of democratic freedom".. that idea of "freedom and peace" has now collapsed forever.. we now clearly see and understand that there was always a hidden agenda between the words "freedom" and "peace"..

It is the "freedom" for occupation and "peace" for murderers..

the whole world of developing countries ( i.e. who have not yet developed fully poisoned public opinion ) are seeing what really toxic western idea of "freedom and democracy" is..

it will never be so easy for west to export its toxic "freedom and peace" ..
western culture is proved to be residing on "clear lies","non-existent WMDs","freedom and right to kill and burn babies","non-existent money baloons","hidden agenda of imperialist invasions" .

we are thankful to those lied so clearly and openly..
we are thankful to those ignorant and blind folded fools..
we are thankful to those defendants of toxic "truths" of wishful thinkings.
we are very grateful to those who has no least bit of ability to govern even a flock of sheep, govern superpowers.
we are thankful to those who collapsed worlds economy by their hunger for money..
we are thankful that they opened our eyes and minds..

western dream is over..

Sad Grandmother   January 14th, 2009 9:37 am ET

What is really hard to believe is that Hamas is continuing to fire rockets into Israel without a thought for the people in Gaza. Hamas would rather continue hostilities with Israel rather continue their terrorist activities and use the Palestinian people as human shields than try to negotiate a ceasefire with a promise of stopping the rocket attacks on Israel. Can Hamas not see that its present course of action is failing badly? Maybe Hamas genuinely believes its present course of action is the only way to achieve positive objectives. If so, there must be some Palestinian leaders who can come up with a more positive strategic plan. There must be some good men in Gaza who will be brave enough to tell Hamas that enough is enough. In a democracy we engage in political debate, push for social reform and vote out governments that cannot deliver peace, stability and economic growth. Maybe it is not so easy to get rid of inept leaders in Gaza?

The Turk   January 14th, 2009 9:43 am ET

to blindfolded Grandmother :

another but totally equal thought would be :

"What is really hard to believe is that ISRAEL is continuing to fire White Phosphorus Bombs and TANKS into Gaza without a thought for the people in Gaza.

There must be some good men in Israel and western world who will be brave enough to tell Israel that enough is enough."

how about that?

The Turk   January 14th, 2009 9:46 am ET

Professor? what democracy?

they have only "horse glasses" and Hummers to fill in with mid-eastern oil..

that is their only truth in life..

Professor   January 14th, 2009 9:49 am ET

I agree with you Turk.... they are democracies for blood sucking....

benyemen   January 14th, 2009 9:49 am ET









My sympathies are all with the Jews…But my sympathy does not blind me to the requirements of justice. The cry for the national home for the Jews does not make much appeal to me…Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home.” — Gandhi, 1938

Professor   January 14th, 2009 9:52 am ET

When you say NO to the US or Israel then you are a terrorist organization..... the minute that NO change to YES then you become a good human being....

The Turk   January 14th, 2009 9:54 am ET

yes they are rich in money.. ( is about to collapse anyway )
but they are poor values..

their history is full with invasions, wars, massacres, imperialistic occupations, they have developed the idea of "slavery", they tested two nukes on REAL non-militant people, their reason to live is to confron the "other".

without the "other"... they are nothing... they have to find always the other one to blame for their own crimes..

Professor   January 14th, 2009 10:02 am ET

The cowards corrupt bankrupt Israeli Occupying Forces are still targetting civilian homes, worship places as we speak....

The Turk   January 14th, 2009 10:02 am ET

either you are WITH them...or AGAINST them ... ( ref: Mr Bush )

that is their only reality...

The Turk   January 14th, 2009 10:06 am ET

you know Prof...

there is always a price to pay..

this massacre , tragedy will sometime, somehow end..
but this cowards , silent "so called humanist activists"... will never be brave to look into our eyes..

their honor is s*it.

David Freeman   January 14th, 2009 10:06 am ET

Dear Akiva,

Well looks like you stumbled on the Israeli propaganda machine in action. You asked who pays for them? They have lots of organizations all funded by your tax dollars if you are living in the US. AIPAC spends one hundred million dollars paying mostly for lobbying congress and they able to extract in retune approx 5 billion dollars in return.. nice return on investments

I agree with you.. Most people that you see here are manipulating the truth (in favor if Israel) in this blog and many other blogs worldwide.. actually they work for a pro Israeli Pressure group called C.A.M.E.R.A..see my explanation below ..
Israel has been manipulating the US for a very long controlling what we hear ..whether it is print media, TV internet.. you name it…

Did you know that Israel have many watch group organizations ..who are they watching?? Mostly they are watching our politicians and the American media. The most notorious of them is called CAMERA: Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America. They twist the truth in favor of Israel at any cost.. I mean ANY COST..They harass everybody that is critical of Israel …blog, forums. Articles, radio..magazine, newspapers..they even force journalists to change their story and apologies publicly when they write a story critical of Israel..… if you do not adhere to their demand they will keep on harassing you your editor, your boss…they will even call your advertisers and advise them not to advertise with your newspaper because your newspaper is anti-Semitic and they also ask the advertisers to stop advertising with unethical newspaper..
they harass news papers, magazines, radio stations.. calling the news source who is critical of Israel by the thousands....their manipulations of out politicians and our way of life is causing lots of havoc on the America.. we are becoming more hated around the world because of their manipulation
the video below explain how they operate and what makes them very powerful.. pass it on to others:

David Freeman   January 14th, 2009 10:13 am ET

Prof and Turk,
you're naive enough to think we live in a democracy do you?

benyemen   January 14th, 2009 10:13 am ET





David Freeman   January 14th, 2009 10:16 am ET

Prof and Turk
do you know why we (US) bow to Israel.. do you?

Professor   January 14th, 2009 10:19 am ET

Hamas is still shooting rockets but what is interesting is that the Israelis are not bombing those areas where the rockets are coming from.... they are attacking civilian homes and worship places.

benyemen   January 14th, 2009 10:28 am ET



harvey   January 14th, 2009 10:36 am ET

There is one question that cries out for an answer.

Why, Hamas, do you hold in such contempt not just Israeli lives but Palestinian lives?

Why do you fire rockets from schools, store arms in hospitals, surround yourself with human shields?

Why have you consistently acted so as to maximise the death of innocent Palestinians?

In the words of Colonel Richard Kemp, reported in the British Sunday Times:

Senior military adviser to the British cabinet,

'Hamas deploys suicide attackers including women and children,

And rigs up schools and houses with booby trap explosives.

Virtually every aspect of its operations is illegal under international humanitarian law.

The Palestinian future will begin

The minute Hamas stops firing rockets on innocent Israelis.

The minute they try to stop killing the people whom they see as enemies but who want to live as friends.

The minute they stop endangering the Palestinian people by pursuing a policy that is blighting the Palestinian future.

Just say three words:

Yes to peace.

benyemen   January 14th, 2009 10:45 am ET






harvey   January 14th, 2009 10:48 am ET


In 2005 Israel withdrew from Gaza.

It said to the people of Gaza: the land is yours.

The factories, the farms, the buildings our people built are yours.

The aid you seek in building an economy is yours.

That is when terror should have stopped.

Instead that is when the current wave of terror began.

The living nightmare for the people of Sderot and Ashdod and Ashkelon.

A ceaseless rain of rockets injuring and killing young and old,

the vulnerable, the innocent, who wanted nothing except peace.

There are young children in Sderot who have only known a life of living in bomb shelters

Professor   January 14th, 2009 10:51 am ET

I love Ardogan and I love Chaves....

Professor   January 14th, 2009 10:53 am ET

Its the occupation stupid Harvey....

Professor   January 14th, 2009 10:55 am ET

and we all hope that will be the only life they will know.... until Israel stop killing Palestinian babies.

harvey   January 14th, 2009 10:55 am ET

Amazing how you consistently resort to insults when you cannot win the debate...
As your friend Akiva put it yesterday "MORE HOUMOUS LESS HAMAS STUPID".

Professor   January 14th, 2009 10:56 am ET

The time of feeling sorry for the children of the babies killers is gone...

benyemen   January 14th, 2009 10:56 am ET






Professor   January 14th, 2009 10:57 am ET

The only people now who are feeling sorry for the Israeli children are Israel supporters.....

The rest of the world is feeling sorry for the Palestinian children....

Do you know why?....

Its the occupation stupid....

harvey   January 14th, 2009 11:02 am ET

Fact on the occupaution as per my post above...
Really Prof, expect a littlemore from you than mere repetition!

blood is red   January 14th, 2009 11:02 am ET

Israel doesn’t want a democratic independent Palestinian state without Hamas. If this was possible then not any excuse valid for the Israelis to stop Palestinians asking for their rights and what lawfully belong to them .Also in absolute freedom they will be able to breed like crazy with non stop.
Hamas not want a democratic Palestinian state where people live in peace and prosperity. Because without fear you can’t control people and implement your extreme fanatic policies.
The Arab rulers they hold the power without real and free elections need Israel attacking Palestinians, to keep the mind of their people full of hate and then no one will talk about freedom and democracy challenging the ruling class and the religious fanatics controlling the crowd with promises in heaven.
The Americans want Hamas and other extremists alive and not really dead because if the Middle East issue can resolve then the Israelis not have anymore the excuse that they lives are under threat and they should stop play the sheriff in the region protecting USA interests.
Maybe I am wrong or maybe I am right?

Professor   January 14th, 2009 11:03 am ET


When you stop your repetition then mine will stop.....

You are not interested in any fruitful discussion..... so i am giving you what you would like to hear.

harvey   January 14th, 2009 11:06 am ET

No...on the contrary I am totally interested in dialogue! You have just not been able to indulge in this process....You have not refuted any of my points of view preferring instead to insult me....

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 11:08 am ET

Good Day you all,
Glad to be here!

Professor   January 14th, 2009 11:08 am ET

If you are honest then tell me who owned the land before 1947?

benyemen   January 14th, 2009 11:11 am ET





Saudi   January 14th, 2009 11:11 am ET

Mahmoud Abbas

In Arabic "Abbas" frowning man! And as he always looks when he meets his flaks, but when he meets
With Livni, Olmert, Bush or Condoleezza he always shows the widest smile!

Here is a clip only for those who can understand Arabic

harvey   January 14th, 2009 11:13 am ET

There you go again.....
I've told you, stop going back.
We are here now, the Palestinians are here now.
We have to learn to deal with now.
We have to learn to deal with the future.
Your path only leads to death and destruction for the kids on both sides. Eternal hatred...WAR!
My path leads to mutual recognition, dignity and PEACE.

harvey   January 14th, 2009 11:16 am ET

When a young Jew, Yoni Jesner, was killed in a suicide attack on Tel Aviv bus, his family donated his organs to save life, one of whom was a seven-year-old Palestinian girl

Yasmin Abu Ramila

who had been waiting two years for a transplant.

We care about the Palestinian future.

We care for Palestinian children.

I quoted this to you yesterday. No response other than to denigrate.

This sad episode shows us all that even though terrible wrongs have been done on both sides there is hope that death and despair can give way to life an hope.

Little Yasmin is living proof of that hope and dream.

We care about life.

And that is why we say to Hamas, who for years, day after day, have been endangering the lives of innocent people:

Stop killing the Palestinian future.

aedi   January 14th, 2009 11:21 am ET

zionist wet dream nearing its objectives:

force foreing jews to accept the right to return to avoid
living in a world in denial which doesn't accept the death of insignificant arab childs as self defense so
they (Israel corrupt Gov) can continue with their
real-state business thanks to the inmigration of poor demonized global jews seeking for protection.

jew pride, purity of race

Professor   January 14th, 2009 11:22 am ET

I guess Harvey is avoiding answering questions as usual....

Hunk   January 14th, 2009 11:26 am ET


Thank you brother for this :
Al Nisef is a great intellectual and a person
who give in depth analysis of all
political scene . i like him a lot

Hunk   January 14th, 2009 11:31 am ET

I can notice a shift on pro Israel
who is now crying over the
children of Gaza .....
if you see the teeth of a ion is shown
don't think he is smiling
An Arabic Poetry

ABDALLAH U. MUHAMMAD   January 14th, 2009 11:32 am ET

I am tired of my tax dollars paid to this government going to commit war crimes in the Gaza by the Zionist'. The Zionist' appear to own and completely control America' foreign policy even when it is not in the best interest of this nation. Obama shows who side he is taking by his silence yet he has spoken on every other issue confronting this nation.

harvey   January 14th, 2009 11:32 am ET

No...I am not avoiding answering questions... On the contrary I pose the key question.

I told you. The crucial question is what do we all do now? You prefer to deal in the past and dwell on who wronged who and who slaughtered who...

I can give you justification after justification, web site after web site "proving my argument" and you can do the same....
But all that is irrelevant.

Its now that counts. How do we live together?

You seem to be of the opinion that Jew and Arab cannot.
I am of the opinion they can....I gave you an example of an act by Jewish victim of terror to enable a young Palestinian girl to live.
That's the hope.

You refused to comment. You refuse to engage.

Professor   January 14th, 2009 11:38 am ET

Of course not....

Without admitting that the Palestinians were wronged then you cannot move on....

They key question to answer is who owned the land in 1947...

Jews, Christians and Mulims live together in most of the middle eastern countries in peace including Palestine before the european jews migrated there and started forming terrorist gangs.... so your question is a mute point.

harvey   January 14th, 2009 11:51 am ET

On the contrary my question which you refuse to answer is the key...

What do we do NOW?

Your question has been answered umpteen times by many of the bloggers. I myself have posted you several web sites dedicated to the history of the land and the Jewish claim. All countered by yourself either with other web sites or insults. So there is no poinrt going down that route.

Your question is a diversionary tactic that leads only down the finger wagging, same old same old blame game....

We have to move on.....We are here (well I am dunno where you are), the Palestinians are. Do we break the perpetual cycle of violence or do we find a way to live toghether in peace?

Professor   January 14th, 2009 11:52 am ET

Ok I guess I proved my point... gotta go now... later gators.

harvey   January 14th, 2009 11:56 am ET

Sorry I have to go...take care guys. Meanwhile a little prayer ...

The day will come when Israelis and Palestinians

Jews Muslims and Christians

The people of Sderot and the people of Gaza

Will live together in peace

No longer fighting one another

But helping one another to live in freedom and dignity.

That day will come.

It could be a hundred years away

Or it could be today.

It's up to Hamas.....

And for the sake of Palestinian children, and Israeli children,

Let it be today.

But in the meanwhile we say,

Beloved G-d

The G-d we worship

The G-d of life who told us to sanctify life

Al Rahman, the G-d of compassion

The G-d of Avraham, Ibrahim, father of our several faiths

Show us the way to live your way.

The way of Salaam,

The way of Shalom.
The way of Peace

aedi   January 14th, 2009 12:04 pm ET

this is all about nearing zionist objectives:

"Diplomats: Gaza op causing long-term harm to Israel's image"

aedi   January 14th, 2009 12:07 pm ET

a zionist would think

"Rats: Cast Lead op causing long-term harm to JEW’s image”

zionist: how sad, but you can always come to my holy
resort land and buy some condominium or mcmansion
and ignore the rest of the world, we have it all

miriam   January 14th, 2009 12:15 pm ET


No one owned 'the' land in 1947.
There were many landowners, some Jewish, some Arab and a large amount belonged to the Church.
The British Mandate was an administration entrusted to dividing the land between Jews and Arabs.

In 1947, the Jews accepted the Partition Plan and the Arabs rejected it , prefering to destroy the Jewish state.

miriam   January 14th, 2009 12:21 pm ET


you are just addicted to obsessive Jew hatred.
Get a life, or perhaps rehab.

aedi   January 14th, 2009 12:27 pm ET

miriam, I never say a word against Israel population, in my point of view the whole country is used by its politicians for their own interest.
i'm sorry you see jew hatred all over. read my words, if you understand that i'm against jew people, wasn't my intention.

Bill   January 14th, 2009 12:27 pm ET

I am so glad that Hamas is being destroyed! The Palestinians are reaping what they sowed. The Islamic terrorist supporters on this blog can fight only with profanity and insults because they know their cause is corrupt and their side is losing – badly.

The Palestinians raped the land of Gaza. Hamas destroyed the Palestinian cause. Now the Palestinians will never get their own homeland. The world has seen what the Palestinians do when given their own land. This mistake shall not be repeated.

The constant evil of Islam is exposed for all the world to see. Life means nothing to Muslims. Its only death and destruction that they understand. Now they are getting the message in their own language of violence. Leave the Israelis alone.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 12:33 pm ET

Hi you all

happy to be here

im german

aedi   January 14th, 2009 12:35 pm ET

miriam, i try to give a different point of view in this conflict,
that loop about who is guilty has no end.
i talk about a side effect of this Cast lead operation, which
in fact is not about peace, it's obvious, the REAL side effect
of this conflict is jew hatred as you say. hard to believe it's
olmert's objective, but, you just have to see it on your own.
Those politicians will never die cause of a fuckin terrorist

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 12:51 pm ET

uhh smart dan
found how to kidnap a CNN post account :D
Who cares!
take the account !!! its yours :D

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 12:53 pm ET

Hamas did poison the water in Gaza !
what are the people in gaza doing without water?
burnd Hamas… no water!
hungry Hamas… no water!
Hamas… no water!
no Hamas get water!
Hamas is such a nazi … why they drink all the water?
its so woerse! that is not against Israel! that is against hamas! against Jews!
nothing can legitimate shooting rockets into Israel!
den haag … bring justice to Hamas!

Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 1:07 pm ET

Hello people!
its a great discussion here !
i am Akiva Heifetz
i join this discusion now!

its horrible what happens in Gaza!
and i saw the poor propaganda here ... its terrible!

Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 1:14 pm ET

ehud olmert...

"I told him the United States could not vote in favour. It cannot vote in favour of such a resolution. He immediately called the secretary of state and told her not to vote in favour."

ehud od doing friendly fire against USA!
he tells us about his slave!

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 1:19 pm ET

haha Akiva

now i abuse you ... i am nazi

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 1:21 pm ET


if you wanna abuse me
dan perman
dperman AT sfchronicle DOT com

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 1:23 pm ET

i am evil now
i am israeli
i am dan perman i am moss i am JJdT i am ....

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 1:26 pm ET

i search a girl...
send me your pics
i love you !
dperman at earthlink dot net
dperman at canby dot com
dperman at sfchronicle dot com
d.perman at comcast dot net
dperman at lwsd dot org
dperman at voyager dot net

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 1:27 pm ET

i am smart!
i think a lot
i am educated!
i am clever!

Akiva now i occupie your CNN loging ... hahaha

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 1:29 pm ET

i never so friendly fire
i never nuke my self!
i am clever

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 1:32 pm ET

i am dan perman i am smart
i thoght a lot
i am clever i am smart
i am choosen by god to have a brain
Akiva you need a exorcist :)
i am the evil in you i am moss
i am JJdT the evil

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 1:34 pm ET

dan .... your a fast thinker ;)
now you did learn something :D
now you posessed me ... smart guy :)

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 1:36 pm ET

dan ... your evil go on ;)
smart guy ... fast thinker ... your gooood :D

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 1:44 pm ET

I just heard a Palestinian woman saying that the hamas Foces posing as IDF…. What a filthy type of people.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 1:46 pm ET

No one here is making Hamas look bad…. Hamas cowards is making Hamas look bad….

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 1:48 pm ET

received news from a soldier in Gazz; he told me that 5 rabid goats are taking turns on an hamas prisoner. (they are widening his dirty ass).

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 1:49 pm ET

i am a pro israel nazi now
i am dan perman
i am smart :)
i am dan i love to kill people ... i kidnaped your cnn accout akiva... look how smart i am ... send me your pics :)
i love you ... i am educated by IDF i am mossad :)
i got you :p

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 1:51 pm ET

im german

im clever

i love uncle adolf

im nazi

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 1:52 pm ET
dperman at earthlink dot net
dperman at canby dot com
dperman at sfchronicle dot com
d.perman at comcast dot net
dperman at lwsd dot org
dperman at voyager dot net

go at my site look at my bussines friends :)
they support me :)
they pay me

haha akiva i am choosen by god i am smart :)

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:53 pm ET

Good morning all. Life continues on I see, as do the blog wars.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 1:54 pm ET

my bussines friends pay all the israel propaganda sites
we are a smart stern gang :)
i am clever :)
i am dan perman ... i am now inside of you ... i am evil you need a exorcist :D

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:54 pm ET

CNN if you are listening, please start a new chat. Over 400 it gets slower. Thanks.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 1:56 pm ET

GLeigh comands you :D

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:57 pm ET

Akiva – are you still doing the Dan thing?

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 1:58 pm ET

Akiva – they might be the first. Kudos. About time someone did.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 1:59 pm ET

no now dan is doing the Akiva thing ;)
he was able to learn from me :D

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 2:00 pm ET

i love arabs

i love arab semen

im clever im goooood

i love auschwitz

im nazi

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 2:01 pm ET

i was praying to god that he will learn and god did listen to me :D
the teachet him how to kiddnap my account :D
as the other guy did kidnap his account ... who ever it was :D

smart guys :D

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:02 pm ET

Brandon – Akiva is entertainment. Keeps the fun going I guess. Otherwise all of us would get bored, move on, and no one would write.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 2:03 pm ET

congratulations ... :D
smart guy did visit youtube :)

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:04 pm ET

So we are continuing this discussion on how to bring about "peace" – a tired word – for the people involved. All of them.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 2:06 pm ET

lies lies all lies

im Dan im in your head im evil
im clever im goooood
im mossad im trained by hamas

im moron im stupid im german knuckle cake junkie

i love uncle adolf

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 2:06 pm ET

Dan take it ... its yours now ;)
keep smart ... i am happy you did learn something

it seems as there is still some hope for you :)

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:09 pm ET

God works in mysterious ways. It seems to fit.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 2:11 pm ET

Israel propagandists,
What has your idf achieved? how many Alkassam fighters have been eliminated? how many children, women,and innocent civilians, who don't even belong to the party of Hamas?
you call this courage?
I f your soldiers are real men, why do they have to kill whole cities before deciding to enter cities?
tell the us to give you more explosives; you really embarrass Rice; each time she buys for you time, you let her down.Smame on you (she must say).

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 2:14 pm ET

im smart im good

i hate what i have become.

i love arabs but like their goats more

im stupid im nazi please help me

its in my head im mad i hate my self

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:15 pm ET

Hi Brandon. I think serious is needed. It's hard. Akiva called Linda a death frog last night. I had the tired sillies. Maybe I still do. Couldn't hardly tell the hubby this morning for laughing.

My old bud Mohammed. You are always good for more of the same. Some people are just reliable.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 2:16 pm ET

mohammed gharbawi

i hate you

you stupid hamas

i hate what you have become

im in your head im evil

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 2:17 pm ET

Now, how many objectives (the declared and the undeclared) have been achieved? Till now, from my sources, I see that your boys penetrate few meters and then retreat back.For God's sake, they are afraid. let them go to their mummies.
All our soldiers( fewer than yours for sure, and barely armed ) have lost relatives, and they are angry. They believe in martyrdom and they defend a just case. Calculate all this and think about the end.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:17 pm ET

I go crazy
dan your the best :)

top intel   January 14th, 2009 2:18 pm ET

Within next six days, Israel and its ally plan to attack 'Iranian nuclear program’.

In addition to that, other military and government infrastructure will also be targeted.

Professor   January 14th, 2009 2:23 pm ET

Its the occupation stupid..........................

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:23 pm ET

Mohammed – I kinda like to guess what people on here might look like. I know I'm way wrong. I see you as 32 or 34, thin, 5'6 and 5'7 on a good day, 135 pounds, 130-138 usually, and leaned over a computer. I know I'm off. But you are are predictable in your writing.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 2:23 pm ET

mohammed gharbawi

hamas is finished hamas is dead hamas is in your head

i hate my self

now i hate hamas

i hate what i have become

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:25 pm ET

Akiva – you are fine. You're entertainment. In the U.S. you'd probably be rich on some comedy channel.

Professor   January 14th, 2009 2:29 pm ET

It is the occupation stupids...

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 2:32 pm ET

God save israel

God save the queen

God save Abbas

God save innocent people

God damn hamas

I hate what i have become i love idf i love israel

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:33 pm ET

Brandon – nasty breeds nasty. Professor, yes, you've told us that a few times. And that I'm stupid. How stupid is continuing on and on and on with hate and war and having your kids in them and your grandchildren. And their kids. Where does it end. That's not a question. With more war of course. This will happen again.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 2:35 pm ET


i hate you

i hate what you have become

its your empty head stupid
its your empty head stupid
its your empty head stupid
its your empty head stupid
its your empty head stupid

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 2:35 pm ET

tHIS IS GHAZZA stupid colonizers. Ghazza, throughout history, has always digged the grave of those who wanted to interfere in its affairs.Now history is turning full circle.
By the way, tell ashkinazi to let your journalists film. YOU are a democaracy, arent you?
by the way im having my lunch and watching again and again the the footage that shows the sniping of your boy. No offence meant, it stimulates my appetite.

Professor   January 14th, 2009 2:41 pm ET

Go ahead anti-Semite.... show your real faces.... Your time is coming

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 2:41 pm ET

I can send my photo. I swear, just give me your e-mail. You will get crazier. God has bessed me with many qualities, but I thank him most for the blessing of the degrees I have in different disciplines.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 2:45 pm ET

mohammed gharbawi

i love your mother i love your sister i love all dogs

i hate you! you are hamas pig! im evil im in your head

God loves george bush God hates hamas

hamas is finished hamas is dead hamas is in your head

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:46 pm ET

i am from canada

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:48 pm ET

i am laughing

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 2:49 pm ET

mohammed gharbaw

lies lies all lies hamas pig

i hate you

i hate what i have become

God has blessed you with nothing

Professor   January 14th, 2009 2:49 pm ET

You are proved wrong again.... so you just try to prove your failure in a different way...... keeo trying bankrupt Brandon....

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 2:50 pm ET

I SEE YOU AS A FAT WOMAN WHO HAS REAL HEALTH PROBLEMS. YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH MEN. you havent had sex for decades to the extent that you forgot how we make it. By the way,I have it after luch and after dinner. And above all, you feel that you ll die soon. For you, this blog is a therapy; for me it is a mission: I SHOULD STOP YOUR KIND FROM SPREADING LIES AND GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SECOND OPINION.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:51 pm ET

Brandon – Akiva is searching. God works in mysterious ways. He's very funny. Linda and I were rolling last night.

No thank-you Mohammed. I probably asked for such a response, but my husband of 23 years wouldn't like it.

Professor – I don't know what to tell you. Telling you to get over the hate sounds condescending. I've not been there. I do want fair and peace for the world. I don't know how it can happen.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 2:58 pm ET

did you see the new strategy. They have brought this Akiva to distract people from having serious discussions because they know they have lost in gazza and in this blog. Well we intend to stay here and counter you till you leave this forum. This is CNN? AND WE WILL NOT LET IT TO YOU.
the other strategy is the one of linda who comes out of the blue and starts talking about her cancer. This is a blog, not ahospital. If you want to speak about your case, go to a shrink.
The funniest of all is DAN.he has 10 sentences in his linguistic repertoire: they killed a pregnant woman you condemn this act of terror? ETC.....SO YOU ARE AN ANTI SEMITE.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 2:59 pm ET

Akiva – you said about the same of Israel, if not worse. Sides aren't what matters. Go for peace.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:02 pm ET

mohammed – yesterday you made me angry. Doesn't happen a lot. Today you sound paranoid. By the way, how badly off was I?

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:04 pm ET

Thanks for the lively posts Brandon.

CS   January 14th, 2009 3:07 pm ET

Hello. I feel strongly about these issues. I feel strongly that Israel is an opressor. But I, and others on this site have made the mistake of getting personal. This will achieve nothing. Insults get made. Then a push, then a slap, then a punch, then a fistfight, then a knife, then a gun, then a bomb, and thus and so. Let us prove our points by facts. Not opinion, or offensive remarks. We must show patience, and restraint. As those who destroy the world do not.

aedi   January 14th, 2009 3:07 pm ET

i wish there was an ignore option so readers could
avoid this heavy TROLLING

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:08 pm ET

Akiva – Calling Linda a death frog was really your shining moment. I'm still cracking over it.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:09 pm ET

Akiva – the gay Israel nazi thingy wasn't too bad either. Nearly as good.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 3:12 pm ET

jEWS a re evil people, but they are smart. We all know it. However, I feel like this blog does not convey this feeling. Most jewish bloggers are either maniac, ill, ignorant, or aggressive.
This does not deny that most of them have a brain. I have a jewish friend called Noam Chomsky, whom I used to consider as a father. Surprisingly, we share the same view about israel that he qualifies as foolish and unrealistic.

To prove that they are sickly intelligent, Hitler said the following:"Either you burn jews, or they will burn you".

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:13 pm ET

What is trolling? Hi CS. Nice to see you again. As always, you have good points.

aedi   January 14th, 2009 3:14 pm ET

aedi   January 14th, 2009 3:16 pm ET

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is
someone who posts controversial, inflammatory,
irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community,
such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with
the intention of provoking other users into an emotional
response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic

CS   January 14th, 2009 3:17 pm ET

Let people make silly, empty remarks. Let the supporters of the terrorist state of Israel act like animals. We can do better. Do not stoop to the level of animalistic behavior. As I read some remarks, I think, what a filthy creature. How small minded.
Anyway. To those who don't believe evrything the media says, how do we know that Israel is having all the success that it's boasting about?
And how do we know that Israel does not spew toxins into the civilian poplulation with no regard? With the excuse that "Hamas hides amongst civilians" I do not agree with Hamas' methods. BUT...I don't believe that they are the boogy men that the Israelis make them out to be. I do believe they have a cause. If Israel would quit opressing Palestinian people, than they would have no cause. But Israel wants a confrontation with the underdeveloped Palestine. This is why Haaretz reported that they broke the cease fire first, and twice at that. Israel are the agressors.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:18 pm ET

Mohammed – you quote Hitler to prove something? I don't honestly get it.

Brandon   January 14th, 2009 3:18 pm ET

See ya later GL...Guys...everyone..!!!

and to that someone who's doing the AKIVA THING...well put..!!! hahahaha...keep it up...loved it...

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:19 pm ET

Guess we all have our role models.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 3:20 pm ET

I have a pity for you. I M NOT ANGRY AT YOU. You sit for hours in front of the computer. Make a life because if I were your 23 years old husband , I WOULD HAVE ALREADY THROWN YOU IN THE STREET.
Everytime I enter this site, i find you. This means that you haven't had a bath for ages. You are stinking now.
Another thing, if you think i react because of what you described me before, you are wrong. Besides, let us fix atime and see and talk to each other in awebcam. It is ok with me. Your husband will surely become jealous.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 3:22 pm ET

you are burning people in Gazza with phosphoric bombs.
We are the victims of the victim.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:24 pm ET

Mohammed – No thanks. I wouldn't talk to you on webcam if you were the last creature crawling on earth. I'd go for the slug first. Nice offer though.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 3:27 pm ET

What I said yesterday about the 5 alkassam soldiers who tok turns on an IDF soldier is true. After finishing from screwing him, they wanted to leave the house, but he refused. He was in a mess (figure 5 alkassam men "real men"). He started lagging behind till a bomb fro an F16 destroyed the house and killed him. 2 of our soldiers were wounded too by his stupidity.

CS   January 14th, 2009 3:29 pm ET

I am a supporter of fair treatment of human beings. If Israel was beig opressed, and the weaker nation (financially/militarily), and were being opressed, I would be a supporter of them. Just as I felt remorse while learning of the terrible things that happened during the holcaust.

But the simple fact is that Israel IS the more advanced nation (technologically/financially), and they ARE/WERE mistreating the people of Palestine. I'm not talking about Hamas. Let's forget them for a minute, as they are the minority (in terms of numbers). The civilians were the ones who suffered when Israel turned off theri electricity for 12 hrs at a time, every day. The Palestinan people suffered when Israel blockaded their ports from getting shipments of food, petrol, water, and medical supplies. If the U.N. and other neutral powers stepped in to rebuke Israel for these things, than maybe this thing would not have escalated to this point. But some nations, just as some people on this blog, are anti-social. They thrive on starting, and or allowing controversy to occur, just so they can watch in amusement.

Oh, and hello GLeigh.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 3:30 pm ET

Trust your appearance. You are not responsible for what you are or how you look. its true that you live alone now, but things will soon get better when youii die .Don't worry old lady. Sorry, senior citizen.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 3:32 pm ET

You must be crying now. Think about the women who suffer too in Gazza, you criminals.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 3:34 pm ET

Has your big monkey, ashkinazi, stopped the rockets of hamas. Be realistic ,this is day 19. Leave that band, you prophets' killers.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 3:35 pm ET

Pleasant as you "gentlemen" are and as interested in peace and the civilians of Gaza as you appear to be – I have things to do. I know that your main interest is others' welfare. I've read it. Peace to all. I hope you are searching for God – by whatever you name you choose. Later. Mo – your heartfelt compassion is overwhelming.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 3:36 pm ET

I just heard a Palestinian woman saying that the hamas Foces posing as IDF…. What a filthy type of people.
filthy type of people
filthy type of people
filthy type of people
filthy type of people
filthy type of people

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 3:37 pm ET

I like Levni a lot. She want to give the impression that she is still young. But, you know, with al the aesthetic interventions she has done to keeb her face human, her neck is so old that we have the impresion she belongs to a period where men used to live in caves.

Akiva   January 14th, 2009 3:38 pm ET

received news from a soldier in Gazz; he told me that 5 rabid goats are taking turns on an hamas prisoner. (they are widening his dirty ass).
hamas dirty ass
hamas dirty ass
hamas dirty ass
hamas dirty ass

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 3:39 pm ET

Stop sobbing.

Nona   January 14th, 2009 3:39 pm ET

helo guys

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 3:39 pm ET


CS   January 14th, 2009 3:40 pm ET

Mohammed. I agree with your sypathy, and strong emotions for the opressed. I really do. But what do you stand to accomplish by insulting this woman? I have talked in these blogs before, and I have disagreed with many of her points, and agreed with a few. Don't let your emotions for your cause turn to blind hatred. This is what your enemy wants. They want you to look like a beliggerent maddman. I know that many others do this here...attack people personally, so you must be thinking "why is this person looking at me?" Because you have made good points in here before, that were constructive, that add to the topic at hand. Keep a level head brother. And I say brother, not because I am Islamic, (as I am a Christian), but as a fellow man. A fellow son of Abraham. Which, sometimes, I think is pushed so far to the back, that we foget that we all came from the same palce. There is no us and them. It's just us on this earth. We can learn how to treat eachother, or we can kill every last one of ourselves. I pray for the first.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 3:42 pm ET


mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 3:43 pm ET

Where is humanity?

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 3:47 pm ET

dont interfere.I know what im doing.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 3:49 pm ET

Israel has been declare as a difacto state in the UN. See the irony; israel is the only "member" not to apply CRUCIAL UN resolutions.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 3:50 pm ET

Mind your eyes; they are red.

Hunk   January 14th, 2009 3:51 pm ET


Cho Hada, all the margins are KHARBAN ING

U have no IT MOHANDES who can fix

For how long .....

Please fix it and fix your IT

Ma3 Eslama

The Turk   January 14th, 2009 3:51 pm ET


babies and non-militant people are dying on the gaza ground..for the sake of ignorant politics..with the support of ignorant wishfully thinking brainwashed voters.. for what?

humanity is being killed...

so called freedom and peace seekers are silently watching.. enjoy your "live tv" s

how on earth will you be able to look into your own children' s eyes and tell them that you just watched the massacre...

how will you defend your "values of life" tomorrow..

how will you sleep in rest...

how can you put the blame on the killed one instead of the killer... because he/she was put in the path of "righteous" bullet...

how will you say that you are human...if you defend the beast..

you are sickening me you ignorant blinds..

I am crying now.. with the anger..

you ruined your own truths...

we felt deeply sorry when 9-11 happened..
we condemned Hitler..and his Nazi ideology..
we thought there might realy be WMDs in the hands of dictators..
we believed the freedom and democracy was for humanity..

.. now we realized...we were wrong...

you have deserved all...

as you seed wind, you will harvest storm..

it was your way of living in bloodshed..

you deserved it all... what ever disaster comes upon you... it is all your own choice..

enjoy it..

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 3:56 pm ET

Reasons why Israel is not a state:
1-No fixed borders (even daily expanding).
2-does not apply UN resolutions.
3-Uses internationally banned arms.
4-the whole society is military (like Nazi Germany).
5-Created by a promise (Balfour promise).
6-Lives on the shoulders of the US (15 million dollars daily from the poor american tax payer).
7-too many mother tongues among the population so much so that they have to learn their national language by deliberate tuition.
Is this a state?

CS   January 14th, 2009 3:56 pm ET

OK. Everybody on this page is wildin out, talking about sex organs, and stds and goats, and all other kind of nosense that does not apply to what is happening in Palestine. People are suffering while you guys are acting like high school freshmen. That goes for supporters of both sides. :/

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 4:00 pm ET

we have to thank the world just because eople watch the news. I f we were alone in the face of israel, they would never face us on the ground; they would either mobilize their planes till they kill everybody from the sky, or use their nukes.
Thank you world.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 4:03 pm ET

Once there are real arabs who are educated and have real arguments (from logic, history, politics, economics, etc), the IDF militants either disappear or bring people like the one above who spoils the discussion.
This is a strategy to make us go away and start convincing americans with lies.
Hala knows this.

JJdT   January 14th, 2009 4:04 pm ET

I have warned a number of people on this blog not to try and argue any point with the arabs. Throughout history they have been impossible to get along with. They cry and kick and scream when you don't want to agree with them, and when they cannot win their argument they become abusive and nasty. This loud-mouth mohammed gharbawi is a typical example. Ignore the absolute rubbish and hate that he spreads. This prick has a serious inferiority complex.

CS   January 14th, 2009 4:07 pm ET

Turk. You make many good points. I am American, and cannot argue with you on these points. And I have shed tears upon my knees in prayer at night, for the burned, bloodied, broken babies in Palestine.
I did vote for a change in direction that the previous dictator, G W Bush, has taken my country. The majority of American civilians agreed, when we, Overwhelmingly voted for Obama, and his change message. The thing that scares me is this. If he goes in there and speaks out against Israel's opressive ways, than immediately the racists, and nay sayers will come out and say "You see, we told you he's a friend of terrorists!" And he will undoubtedly be impeached. So where does that leave us? I just hope he has an igenious solution to this, and that he did not fake us into believing in his ability to change things.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 4:11 pm ET

Hi nona
hide again, dirty jew.

I.B. Wright   January 14th, 2009 4:14 pm ET

CS- well said.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 4:14 pm ET

Which inferiority complex?
Im not the one who used to hide in the house because he is afraid to be caught by the kids in the streets because he is a jew. Refresh your memory and return back in time.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 4:16 pm ET

Read why israel is not a state above.

The Turk   January 14th, 2009 4:18 pm ET


I hope you are right... because... he ( obama ) is your "silver bullet" into the heart of the beast...

If he ( you ) misses it.. then your world , our world is fcukedup..

US ruined its own values posed upon the earth as "truths"..

If I were an US citizen ( I am not for Gods sake ) ... I would just think how I would defend the Just ones.. the Right ones.. since it was all built upon lies..

I will never ever defend or support or reference US defended "truths" since it relies on lies... sorry to say that...

I hope your last chance with Mr. Silver Bullet works...

we do not accept the argument "you are either WITH us or AGAINST us" ... this is childish..

CS   January 14th, 2009 4:19 pm ET

JJdt. If your comment is only true of Arabs, than why don't you scroll up, and see what your counterpart, BRANDON has to say.

Mohammed. You're right. I don't get it. I don't get how arguing, and cursing a WOMAN, and speaking all kinds of things that have nothing to do with the issue, will add any help to the situation. It certanly will not open the eyes of anybody who is in the middle on the subject. Is this how you win the hearts and minds of people? By acting crazy?'re right. Maybe you're speaking in some kind of code that I don't get or something. You said something to the effect of "REAL "arabs. I'm not Arab at all. But I'll tell you this...I'm a real man. Man enough to turn away from something I won't change.

I was trying to keep those of us who are concerned about Palestine together. But I see you have some other agenda, so you don't have to say nothing to me...and I don't have nothing to say to you either! Peace.

The Turk   January 14th, 2009 4:24 pm ET

CS... you are a Just one..

harvey   January 14th, 2009 4:29 pm ET

Just tuned in.

I agree with CS regarding the way we should behave towards each other on this blog. Really guys, I know all of us care passionately about this issue. Lord knows CS and I definitely are poles apart on where we see the issues and the wrongs and rights....but the insults just devalue everybody's point of view.

I echo peace to all....

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 4:30 pm ET

For smart Americans:
Reasons why the US has to leave israel alone:
1-People in the Arab world associate Americans with Israelis because of the unconditional support of the us government.
2-As illiteracy reaches alarming proportions in the arab world, this association leads the society to be radical and extremist because ordinary people feel clueless in the face of the injustice found in the middle east.
3-This is exploited by terrorist groups of Alqaide who mobilize the ignorant crowd to attack americans (the 9/11 attacks is an example).
4-The international community sees that USA has double standards when it comes to israel.
5- Ordinary americans have to know that their money (of the ordinary tax payer) goes to kill innocent people whereas this same poor american has problems with his mortgage. This privilege is due to the lobby of israel in the congress. Go to your congressman and ask him why and threaten not to vote for him if he agrees with sendind money to a "state" to kill newborns.
Dear Americans
We, Arabs love you, but the way you side with this bastard nation is really a problem for us.Israel only embarrasses you.

Professor   January 14th, 2009 4:31 pm ET

The bankrupt Israel and its supporters are so stupid they cannot figure out that its the occupation that is causing all this bloodshed...

Its the occupation stupids.....

CS   January 14th, 2009 4:31 pm ET

The Turk. Again. I agree with what you say about Lies, and the U.S.
But be clear. EVERY civilization was built upon lies. With the exception of small groups like Native Americans, where there is no real hierarchy. But if you look, rationally for a minute. Egypt..built on the back of slaves. Greece...built on the backs of the poor. Roman empire...built on the backs of the poor/slaves. America...built by slaves. Every civilization with leadership has had liars, crooks, and killers as leadership, so before you try to put the weight of the world upon my shoulders, or Obama's shoulders, or America's shoulders...pause for a hot minute and think. Yes. I do blame my country for a GREAT many atrocities, but if anywhere else on earth is perfect, than please lead the way! If you look at Islamic groups like Hamas, and Al Qaida, they use brainwashing to get teens, and even younger kids to blow themselves up. You say whatever you want against my, and other countries, but I'm sur that yours (whatever it is) is less than innocent, and or perfect. This is the world.

Professor   January 14th, 2009 4:33 pm ET

Israel is a cancer and needs to be surgically removed.....

Its the occupation stupid....

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 4:34 pm ET


mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 4:37 pm ET

A huge fire in a company of chemical products in ASHDOUD (Israel) and the sounds of heavy explosions. see the israeli news.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 4:40 pm ET

Israel is digging its grave in gazza.

CS   January 14th, 2009 4:44 pm ET

I agree that Education is a problem in any nation with troubles, ghettos, etc. I also agree that the U.S. and Israel share a double standard internationally, and this is unjust. How can we be the world's authority on nukes, and we're the only ones to ever use them in battle? And to kill a massive civilian population at that. Where was the U.N. or other intervening bodies then? If Palestine is to truly flourish, they need some infrastructure, education, military, and a stable economy (which will come with the building of all the roads, schools,etc,ect) These things cost money. This is the same thing that was done for Israel in and leading up to 1948, and this is why they have the advantage. I was going back and forth with someone yesterday who tried to tell me that Israel is the new superpower, and their economy is so strong, and they're the chosen people, blah, blah, blah. This is silly. What natural resources/mass production does Israel have. You can't eat money/diamonds. Where do they get petrol from. Where do they get weapons from? How much do they rely on imports? Spare me. However, they DO prosper in many ways, and Palestine could too with a little multilateral help.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 4:44 pm ET

You are really lucky because you have the old dog (mubarak), the old ignorant (the saudi king), and the hybrid king of jordan (his mother is british) on your side.
Suppose, egypt opened its borders, saudi arabia stopped its oil, and jordan set the palestinians there free, what would be the result?

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 4:52 pm ET

Israel has done an irrecuperable error in its treatment of the crisis in gazza:
1- It has revived the palestinian cause after it was clinicaly dead.
2-It has unveiled the ugly face of the occupation.
3-It has shown to the world who is mubarak and king abdullah.
4-It has shown that Qatar is just acting as a quasi-democratic and progressist nation by hosting Aljazeera since it could not close the commercial israeli office even if it has no peace treaty with it.
4-It has embarrassed the international community.

The Turk   January 14th, 2009 4:53 pm ET

CS .. I am with you...

I am commenting here as I am..

Frankly speaking, I am not expecting much from Mr Silver Bullet..
I should not..

you know, states are made of people by people for people...
sometime you fight for it, die for it..but it only accounts if it is and its people are respected.. then you have your peace..

respect is not purchased , is not given.. it is only won..

after such Unjust war and bullets against non-militants are spilled so easily, there will never be respect for the state of Israel..nor its people..

it is a 19 day killing spree... how respectful for the state of Israel and its people..

and they ruin honor of their unborn children..

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 4:53 pm ET


CS   January 14th, 2009 4:54 pm ET

I'm not playing anything. I'm living what I say. The way I treat people, the way I talk to people, the way I walk as upwrite in God's way's as I can. This ain't no game to me son. This is how I choose to live my life. With as much honor and respect for other people as I have the might to. (even though, sometimes it's very very hard) "Try someone your size" .....What are we 8years old? Grow up. If you and I disagree on things, than so be it. We may agree that Israel opresses Palestine, and that should be enough. But guys like you have to have every single thing juuusst the way you want it. Everybody has to bow down, or they're you're enemy. I'm not that way. We can agree to disagree on our methods of getting a point across. I see you just wanna argue with somebody...anybody. Well it wont be me. I've got notthin to prove. If you don't care for my methods, than so be it. Don't try to converse with me than.

harvey   January 14th, 2009 4:57 pm ET


Thank you for making that point so beautifully. I agree the Arab world has let the Palestinians down terribly over the last 60 years.

Must be terrible for you to have watched the Jewish State flourish....guess thats one of the reasons you feel so bitter?

Professor   January 14th, 2009 5:00 pm ET

CS, The Turk,

what is going on?... what am I missing?

aedi   January 14th, 2009 5:01 pm ET

Olmert: "nearing zionist objectives"

a comment that can be read in Haaretz:

"Dear Rebecca, shame on you. So you feel a little
unsafe because of Israel`s action. Get over it girl.
Anti semitic activities on the increase regardless
of Israel`s action, due to the growth of Islamic
extremism, especially in Europe. I`m third generation
English jewish and, for the first time in my life,
questions my safety in the UK. And, I thank God,
there is Israel. If Israel`s security is increased
by this war and my insecurity in the UK increased
by the consequences of it- so be it. I`m happy
to support Israel and take the racism at home."

Livni is more than happy to know that Cast Lead
operation allows them to collect more jews who
will spend their savings in buying a house in Israel.

Real-state mafia is even happier than Livni.

CS   January 14th, 2009 5:03 pm ET

Turk. Unfortunate...but I do agree. Respect must be won through battle or some type of conflict. Unfortunately, these things could be compared to the bully in the schoolyard. He is bigger, he is stronger. But when he finds the wrong one with whom to play, he gets put on the seat of his pants. Then the next day, he respects the little guy a bit more. He may not like him, but he surely thinks before triffling with the scrapper again. This will happen to Israel sooner or later. It's just carma.

Professor   January 14th, 2009 5:05 pm ET


smart people unline you... deferentiate between pupits Presidents and the population of a country. If pupits like Mubarak have failed their own people before they failed the Palestinians that does not mean Arabs have failed the Palestinians.... Oh and for your information Israel failed the Jews too.... and it only flourish becuase of the money we give you and the weapons we give you.... its not because you have good people in the government.... most of them have been facing corruption investigation..... don't they?.... Crooks like the rest of you.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 5:06 pm ET

I get sick when i hear people referring to israel as the only democracy in the middle east.
There is no democracy in the middle east.
Israel gives the impression that it is democratic, but see what it does to the 1948 arabs there. As an example, i urge organizations to go to yafa and ask them. To examplify with one case, an old family whose grandgrand father has built the house are given an ultimatum to leave it. The occupation authorities said to them that they do not have an israeli building permit. Can you believe that. The family was living there before the coming of the jews who were sent by Hertzel to study the situation in jerusalem. And even these two Rabiis sent him a message telling him that "it was beautiful , but married" meaning that jerusalem was populated by the arabs.
Secondly, being democratic does not amount to treating your people nicely; yu should also be humane to your neighbours.
It is exactly this democracy that kills innocent people in gazza. Specifically, kadima is trying to be influential in the coming election by killing the maximum of innocent palestinians. Can the west accept a democracy that is founded on the broken heads and soft limbs of newborns?

CS   January 14th, 2009 5:07 pm ET

No worries proff. Me and turk are straight. I had my last words to Mohammed a few posts ago, but that's all. Anyway, good to hear from you. Any new reports?

The Turk   January 14th, 2009 5:08 pm ET

and...some comments about those "arrrrrogant" Europeans..

where are you guys and gals?..
why your sound is not heard..?
where do you stick your heads since there is no sand in your lands..?
what happened to your "human rights" lies?
why do you stand aside with your hands covering your azzes..?
are you not brave yet?
where did you missed your "three hundred years old freedom and human rights" ?

Professor   January 14th, 2009 5:13 pm ET


I posted few of them earlier.... but got busy a little and have not been able to listen to the news for the past few hours.... I just got back..... Did I miss anything?

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 5:13 pm ET

i COULD NOT AGREE MORE. The Arabs have let down the palestinian case. You know why: we have never governed ourselves. Till now, there is no single democracy in the arab world. The people are on one side, and the gvernors are on the other. If we were democracies, you would have disappeared from the map in 1967.

harvey   January 14th, 2009 5:14 pm ET


I am in agreement with you again...just I think that we are the one's who keep having to kick the bullies...

In 1948, the day Israel was born, it was attacked on all fronts by the armies of five nations, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq.
Three years after the Holocaust murdered one third of the Jewish people
Israel's neighbours tried to murder the Jewish state.
Since then, from that day to this, Israel has lived with war or the threat of war, terror or the threat of terror.
Yet Israel has sought peace.
In 1948, under Ben Gurion.
In 1967 after the six day war.
In 1991 at Madrid.
In 1993 on the White House Lawn.
In 1998, at Wye Valley.
In 2000 at Camp David.
In 2001 at Taba

Yet every time Israel proposes peace, it is greeted with terror and suicide bombings, Grads, Katyushas and Kassams.
Israel will continue to seek peace
and we the electorate will continue to support it in doing so.

We seek peace. But if you bomb us and terrorise us, we will eventually react.

We say to the Palestinians: you have a right to a home.

All you have to do is recognize that the Jewish people also has a right to a home.
Let us live, side by side, in peace.

Lets stop arguing the rights and wrongs of the past and start talking about how we can live together in the future.

CS   January 14th, 2009 5:16 pm ET

Aedi. If you're impressed by that article in Haaretz, you should go back to August 08' articles, and find the one that staes that Israel broke the cease fire first.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 5:18 pm ET

Hamas is the outpost of the really free world (not the western free world).

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 5:19 pm ET

1013 killed

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 5:23 pm ET

A question to the "free world":
Have you ever heard of an army (in addition to nazi germany) using heavy artillery to bombard the most densely populated city in the world (probably denser that honk kong).
Is this a nation?

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 5:24 pm ET


The Turk   January 14th, 2009 5:25 pm ET


your prite state will ever never be respected for "peace seeking"...
you may blind fold may lie to your may convince with your loby the people 10000 miles away sitting in comfort and ruling the world with nukes..

but remember, "superomnia vincit veritas" truth conquers above all..

your neighbors, we, will never respect your lies.. you have to go along with it..

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 5:26 pm ET

Is this a nation?

The Turk   January 14th, 2009 5:30 pm ET

The Turk is out...

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 5:31 pm ET

I like this: 1948 the day it was born. You mean the day it was imposed.
history is history.
Give this history to your kids in schools as part of your official curriculum. We cant be fooled by your lies.

CS   January 14th, 2009 5:32 pm ET

Harvey. I think that every human being that God creates has a right to exist. That is not in question. No life is created by the almighty by accident. Not even the hummingbirds. Who will argue with him? My problem is, that first

You skipped past how the Israelis got to the land of Palestine in the first place. They did not just magically appear. In April of 1948, Palestinian villiagers, store owners, market goers, everybody was rounded up for the length of 24 hrs, and lined up in front of a wall, and shot. The remainders were forced to leave the land for the less fertile/usefull land. Some things were burned, so that Israel could rebuild the way they saw fit...some were just new owners of a previously Palestinian home/buisiness. Palestine had no military to speak of, and this is why other Islamic nations came to the aid. These are not my opinions. Ihave read them from many sources. One of which was written by a Israeli professr living in the states.
But to a degree, I see your point. Regardless of how we got here. We're here. It's not realistic to kick either side off the land. So I think that if Palestine is given some help from multiple sources, to gain engineering, infrastructure, education, military, police, and economy, they would flourish, and there would be less folks willing to join a crazy cult to kill one another, because they have too much to do for their future, and their families. All violence would not stop, but it would be substantially curved. This is the same help Israel got 60 yrs ago. Oh and when I say "crazy cults" I mean like Hamas, AND the Israelis government. I'm for the every day working people, as it is us who make the world go round. Not the rich, not the powerful. It's us my friends. Gotta go for now, but I'll be back to battle on behalf of all my neigbors later. Peace out:)

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 5:35 pm ET

Even Bolivia has expelled the zionist ambassador. What about the two arab dogs?

Professor   January 14th, 2009 5:35 pm ET

Another Israeli Ambassador kicked out like a dog and sent back to his country.... :)

harvey   January 14th, 2009 5:36 pm ET


You can believe and think what you want....

Those are my beliefs and the beliefs that I am passing onto my children.

Funnily enough I concur totally with CS's views on being true to yourself. Trying to do the right thing even when no one is looking.

Fact is, here in Israel, we have to send our kids to the army 'cos we are surrounded by a lot of fanatical people who don't want us around. I don't always agree with my govt or the way they handle things.

But this is my country. I am here. We are here. We ain't going nowhere.
Yes we want to live in peace....but if you force our hand we will fight.

Fact is we know and the opinions on this blog have only emphasised this, that we have to look after ourselves.

So you may not like us. You may threaten us, you may condemn us.

But get used to it. We are here.

Wishing you peace.

benyemen   January 14th, 2009 5:38 pm ET




mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 5:42 pm ET

I did not intend to address you again, but really I have to interfere here.
What you say represents only you. When you say "who is here is here", you deny the return of palestinians who are living in camps. This is a crucial problem between us and them. Be careful about what you say.
Harvey is the beautiful frontstore of a fierce killing machine gun and he knows it. What you tell him is what he is waiting for.

harvey   January 14th, 2009 5:46 pm ET


I think you and I are not too dissimilar in what we think....we agree on much. I think your perception of what happened in 48 is wrong. And if you like I can give you a web site to look at

However I prefer the following anecdote "cos it shows exactly where I stand.

When a great British Zionist , the late Dr David Baum,

President of the Royal College of Paediatrics,

a man who lived in Bristol sought to give expression to his hopes for Israel,

he created a state-of-the-art child care facility.

Where? In Gaza.

He died on a sponsored cycle ride raising money

for paediatric facilities in Gaza.

That was a man. He believed about doing something now, together. Being responsible for your neighbor and lending them a helping hand.

Thats the hope.

Professor   January 14th, 2009 5:46 pm ET


The first step in any forgiveness... is the admitance of the wrongdoing.... If Israelis are not going to admit what they have done to the Palestinians then there will not be a peace progress.

benyemen   January 14th, 2009 5:49 pm ET









The Turk   January 14th, 2009 5:49 pm ET

the people of Gaza die dont for nothing..

they will have our remembrance..
we will let our children not forget that cruelty there..
we will teach them not to believe Israels lies nor respect them..
the poor and brave people of Gaza will remain in our hearts..
we will give them support wherever whenever they need it..

and to the "powerful"..

you are powerful and be respected only and only if you dont use your power unjust..
otherwise you are only being afraid of.. that is not respect... that is fear you seed..

it is your own "mordor" you live in.. imperium of fear...

enjoy it..

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 5:51 pm ET

Let me assure you
Israel has lost the war. However, we should make the assassins pay the price of what they did to our kids and women, men, doctors , secourists, etc. Our blood is not water and is not cheap. They should know that they are not above the law.
As a member of the association of arab lawyers, we are preparing a petition to be signed by all free people of the world.
However, what is imporatant for us is a demand from either Abbas , who is the president of the defacto state of palestine, or Amr Moussa, the president of the Arab league where palestine is an active member, to sue Levni, Olmert, Barrak, and Ashkinazi for crime against humanity. Once this request is deposed, we will do our best to bring the criminals to justice.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 5:56 pm ET

YOUR state-of-the-art hospital in Gazareally makes me throw up.

benyemen   January 14th, 2009 5:57 pm ET



GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 5:58 pm ET

Thought I check to see if Linda or Nona were here, AJ, someone different. This all sounds like the same ole same ole and isn't about settling the peace or finding ways for everyone to co-exist. It's about more death and destruction.

If you really want to trace the reason people are dying in Gaza, Hamas fired over 11,000 missiles at Israel over the past eight years. according to the news on this site where you are blogging anyway. Hamas hid those rockets and missiles in their populated areas, knowing the people would suffer when Israel came to destroy them and hoping for world pity and charging Israel with war crimes. Perhaps they should be charged? You might say the people of Gaza are to blame for electing them. Not sure how blaming helps anyone though. Well hoped to see Linda. I'll try later.

Professor   January 14th, 2009 6:00 pm ET


Its the occupation stupid.... :)

The Turk   January 14th, 2009 6:00 pm ET


if your people would not seize gaza, close borders and let them suffocate.. but instead, help them in economics, invest with them, built schools instead of bombing them, cooperate them to remove fanaticism which is fed by your very cruelty, you and your children would be respected so much and the peace would have a chance...

If you would choose to help them flourish aside with your people, you would be live in peace forever... simple fact..

but you have chosen to fight.. the fight is yours.. simple fact..

You were the powerful ones to act first...

Israel did not chose to live WITH their neighbors.. it chosen to live AGAINST them..

harvey   January 14th, 2009 6:01 pm ET


"Harvey is the beautiful frontstore of a fierce killing machine gun and he knows it. What you tell him is what he is waiting for."

Thank you for your compliment regarding my will be relieved to hear I don't feel the same way about you.

I think CS is big enough and wise enough to argue his own point of view.

And Prof, if you read what I wrote you would see that I do not always agree with my govt. Ultimately though, if our ministers do wrong, we investigate them. We have a free press, and an independent judiciary. The govt is accountable to the people. And if I don't like what they do, I can demonstrate in freedom and say so.

I like many admit that over these last 60 years there have been mistakes and injustices done to the Palestinians. I have never proclaimed that whatever we do we are right.

I just feel that we need to move forward. Stop the blame game and get on with finding some kind of workable peace.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 6:02 pm ET


Professor   January 14th, 2009 6:02 pm ET

Not at all... Jews have the right to return to wherever they came from.... Oh and if they want to get a Palestinian green card and continue to live in Palestine then all what they need is to apply for one and wait to see i don't think the Palestinians would mind to help their cousins out... would they?

brandon360   January 14th, 2009 6:04 pm ET

there will never be peace in the middle east until, arab dictatorships stop nuturing hatred of israel to distract their own oppressed peoples from the illegitamacy of their one man rule.
ps haters like solomon,akiva, professor and friends need to get with the times israel is her to stay, whats it been now sixty years

Professor   January 14th, 2009 6:04 pm ET


I like the change in your tone.... :)

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 6:06 pm ET

when they stopped launching rockets, you clossed all passages (conspiring with egypt) to make people starve and die. What do you mean by this. You want rockets again to legitimize another war. claro!!!

Nona   January 14th, 2009 6:07 pm ET

Hi GLeigh - did I miss you?

Hi Harvey! Your video from London that you posted yesterday was beautiful - thank you for sharing that.

Professor   January 14th, 2009 6:08 pm ET

Idiot Brandon,

The dictators you are talking about are the ones who want to establish peace with Israel against the will of their people. 99% of the Arabs hate the Zionist movement that established Israel on Arab land.... they do not hate Jews....

If you establish peace with dictators as soon as they are toppled watch out for the free population.... they will come and eat you alive....

So, be careful what you ask for... :)

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 6:08 pm ET

your internal democracy is your business; we dont care about who you sue. Just leave the land you occupied.

harvey   January 14th, 2009 6:10 pm ET


I love living here in Israel I'm off now for dinner with lots of Jewish?israeli friends who think just like me.

Meanwhile a few thoughts about my country...

What miracles Israel has achieved.
Israel has made gathered the Jewish people from every land under the sun and made them one nation again
Israel has taken the language of the Bible and made it a living tongue again
Israel has rebuilt the yeshivot destroyed in the Shoah and made the world of Torah flourish again.
Israel has created a democracy in a part of the world that never knew it
It's created one of the great economies of the 21st century
It's given the world scientists and doctors,
poets and novelists
musicians and artists
scholars and thinkers
Israel has more high-tech companies, symphony orchestras, universities and research institutes than countries ten times its size
Instead of nursing revenge for past, Israel has sought to build a better future
Though it has walked through the Valley of the shadow of death, Israel has sought life.
This is our people
And this – our people's home.
This is where, 4000 years ago, our people was born
this is where, 60 years ago, our people was reborn.
Israel is the land of our past
The landscape of our future
The dream of our parents
The love of our children
Yisrael hi tikvatenu
Israel is our hope.
Yisrael hi admatenu
Israel is our land.
Israel: we love you.

Night all...and Shalom

benyemen   January 14th, 2009 6:11 pm ET





harvey   January 14th, 2009 6:13 pm ET


How are you? as we are in different time zones we miss each other....
Am just off for dinner. Take care of yourself...

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 6:14 pm ET

before defending this cancerous state, tell your leader to stop launching white phosphoric bombs. Shame on you Nazis. I dont know why hitler did not finish his job.

Nona   January 14th, 2009 6:16 pm ET

Enjoy dinner, Harvey and please give my love and support to your brave friends in Israel!

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 6:18 pm ET

Kill, kill, kill, kill,.............................and then?

Professor   January 14th, 2009 6:19 pm ET


The brave friends? the ones in the bomb shelters? I thought the brave ones are the ones who are digging their graves in Gaza?

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 6:20 pm ET

Israeli soldiers cannot fight face to face. They never did. A criminal band of cowards.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 6:23 pm ET

Israel has digged its grave the day it entered gazza. Tell Ashkinazi to let journalists film what s going on. YOU are a democracy arent you?

Professor   January 14th, 2009 6:26 pm ET

Israel a democracy my ass.....

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 6:33 pm ET

why does ashkinazi look like a monkey?

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 6:34 pm ET

It is clear from Oliver Luft's article on Media Guardian today that journalists across the world are furious at being denied access to a theatre of war (and, yes, it is a war).

However, we should not overlook the work of Al Jazeera English, exemplified by its TV broadcasts and the material available on its website. For many of us trying to follow what's happening, it is an essential news outlet.

It has two reporters on the ground – Ayman Mohyeldin, a 29 year-old American of Egyptian and Palestinian descent and Sherine Tadros, 28, who holds joint British and Egyptian citizenship. There is also one staff cameraman. They have been in Gaza since last year, shortly before the border was closed.

I understand that their sterling work for Al Jazeera is now being watched in 130m households and the number is growing by the day as more and more people switch to the broadcaster to find out what is really happening in Gaza.

Professor   January 14th, 2009 6:35 pm ET

Mohammed Gharbawi,

Is it becuase Frued was a Jew?

Nona   January 14th, 2009 6:35 pm ET

Yes Professor, the brave ones in bomb shelters taking cover from the bombs that the cowards of Hamas lob at innocent civilians - similar to the bomb shelters that the irresponsible government of Hamas SHOULD build for its people but hasn't, because its cowardly "soldiers" would rather hide behind its elderly and its children than protect them so they can use the dead bodies of their babies as props to flaunt to the world as evidence of their eternal "victimization." The cowards of Hamas build bomb shelters for their missiles and rifles instead of for their innocent people. That's their choice, but don't expect me to condemn Israel for taking responsibility for protecting its citizens from those who vow to wipe their nation off the map, and who would rather kill their own children than live in peace alongside a Jewish state.

I've said repeatedly that the Palestinian people deserve to live in dignity, prosperity, health and peace. You have said repeatedly that the complete destruction of Israel is the only way that you will be happy. I would say that based on our respective philosophies, we have a vast difference of opinion. But I do not hate you, and I wish the Palestinian people and all Muslims the glorious blessing of peace and the joy of loving their neighbors in societies where both can flourish.

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 6:35 pm ET

contiued from the Guardian

So, in many ways, this conflict means as much to Al Jazeera's profile as the first gulf war meant to CNN. In that sense, it could be seen as a seminal point in the channel's history. However, it has still not overcome the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans cannot see its TV output.

The channel has been marginalised in the US, as the International Herald Tribune reported this week. It is only carried by cable providers in Burlington, Vermont; Toledo, Ohio; and Washington DC. IHT's Noam Cohen writes:

"The near-total blackout in the United States is no doubt related to the sharp criticism Al Jazeera received from the US government during the initial stages of the war in Iraq for its coverage of the American invasion.

"Officials like vice president Dick Cheney and the defence secretary at the time, Donald Rumsfeld, said the network's reporting was inflammatory, irresponsible and frequently misleading."

I don't think that was true at the time and it certainly isn't the case now. I often tune into Al Jazeera English and respect what those Gaza reporters are doing, and how they are going about their work.

Anyway, even Americans cannot be denied the website. No wonder the channel has begun an ad campaign to publicise its site in the US, the country that is most in need of receiving more balanced reportage on the conflict.

Nona   January 14th, 2009 6:39 pm ET

Mohammad - when has Hamas ever fought Israel face to face? It sends women and teenage suicide bombers into Israel to blow themselves up in cafes full of people eating dinner. It lobs rockets at schools. It uses its people as human shields. Hamas does not take on the Israeli military face to face and never has.

That said, what's so glorious about fighting face to face? War is easy. Peace is hard.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 6:39 pm ET


Professor   January 14th, 2009 6:40 pm ET


See how you are all bunch of liars?... becuase I never said such a thing.....

You build your culture on lies.... you like to lie about everything... Even this war crime against humanity was built on lies.... No wonder coutries started kicking out your ambassadors like dogs.

Nona   January 14th, 2009 6:41 pm ET

Yeah, Mohammed. I do. And it's bigger than yours.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 6:41 pm ET

suppose i steal your house and i start eating my dinner in your living room in peace. What would you do?

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 6:43 pm ET

If you want to see the truth of what is happening in Gaza watch Aljazeera.

GLigh   January 14th, 2009 6:43 pm ET

olmet owns USA
Bush blames Rice
she hat to vote in the name of israel
because israel commands USA

USA the slaves of israel?

Nona   January 14th, 2009 6:43 pm ET

I don't see how we are a bunch of liars. I'm basing my comments on your own statements. Enlighten me. What do you want?

Nona   January 14th, 2009 6:49 pm ET

Mohammed, I'd feel cheated and robbed. I'd be furious. I'd go to court to try to get my home back, but I'd probably let you keep your dinner. But I wouldn't vow the destruction of all your family, or the innocent people you might know who happen to like you. I'd go to court and try to get my house back, and if I couldn't do it through legal means, I'd do my best to rebuild a productive life built on actually LIVING, not defile myself by nursing hatred and sacrifice the lives and future of my children in hopes of getting a damn house back. Houses can be replaced. And I certainly wouldn't kill you over it.

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 6:49 pm ET

look at both sides.see true independent Journalism.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 6:49 pm ET

Hi Nona! Just another day of blogging paradise. I wanted to see how Linda was feeling after the chemo. How are you? Hey Solomon. I see we have a cheery group.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 6:49 pm ET

nona the liar
Since you soldiers fight face to face why do they have to wait 20 days to start entering the city and then retreat back. you make me laugh.
We have an arab saying :"like a jew: coward, but shameless".

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 6:52 pm ET

Nona you have an official title. I think mine is "stupid." I get called that a lot anyway.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 6:53 pm ET

Linda is death frog. That's my fav.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 6:53 pm ET

1- we don't forget : history is history. fro us, we live now in 1948.
2- Legal means? You have got to be kidding. Israel does not apply crucial UN resolutions at all. As we speak now, you are killing my people with white phosphore. Shame on you.

Nona   January 14th, 2009 6:55 pm ET

Mohammed – I know it's despair. And it's sad, because it's such a toxic expression of despair. Despair, you know, is the noun used to descibe desperation. There have been many desperate people throughout history, and there are many desperate people in the world today with a lot less and a lot more reason to be angry than Hamas and its followers. But they're not running around the world blowing up innocent people and vowing to destroy other countries. They get further in their goals than Hamas and its followers because they use their brains instead of their guns, and their people live longer happier lives because they capitalize on their strengths rather than rev-victimizing their weakest.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 6:56 pm ET

I see you are back again. did you wipe your tears?

brandon360   January 14th, 2009 6:57 pm ET

Here is the text of her speech.

Thank you, Mr. President.

I come from Sderot, the city in Israel that for eight years has been terrorized, by 10,000 rockets fired against us from Gaza.

As a law student, I learned – and I believe – that all human beings have the right to peace and security.

But when I see today's resolution, I ask: Why is the United Nations ignoring my suffering? When the terrorists committed these 10,000 violations of international human rights and humanitarian law, why was the UN silent?

Are human rights for some, but not others?

The constant assault on Sderot has destroyed our ability to lead a normal life. The warning before each attack gives us only 15 seconds to run for shelter. Fifteen seconds that will decide, life or death.

Mr. President, who will protect our right to life? My family does not have a bomb shelter, so we run to the most protected room, which is the shower.

There is one attack I will never forget. We heard the siren at seven in the morning. We ran to the shower. The rockets fell next to my house. My little brother, who was 14, went to see if anyone needed help. He found a man whose legs were blown off, and a woman blown to pieces.

My youngest brother is six. The rockets have been falling for eight years. He knows no other reality.

Everyone suffers in Sderot. Fathers and mothers are afraid to go to work, creating poverty. Kids are afraid to go to school. I have missed many of my law classes. My friends are afraid to visit. The streets lie empty.

I dream of the hometown that I remember. When the park near my house was filled with happy families and children playing. When people enjoyed life.

I still dream of peace. It will come when the rulers of Gaza choose humanity over hate, when they stop firing on our children while hiding behind their own.

We refuse to grant victory to the terrorists. We choose to live, staying strong with our faith, family and love of country.

Mr. President, who will protect our most basic human rights? My country is now trying its best, and all who love life and desire peace should pray they succeed.

Thank you, Mr. President

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 6:58 pm ET

The Professor likes to say, "It's the occupation.....stupid!" It's starting to sound like a record playing over and over and over. My back is better. Think it's time to go somewhere.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 7:02 pm ET

Nona the Lair, GLeigh the stupid, and Linda the Death Frog. Little friends. You must be a threat Nona.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 7:04 pm ET

I was going to leave, but i need to answer , right?
I dont like logical fallacies. You say "running around the world blowing up innocent people and vowing to destroy other countries".
What do you call this?
1- they used to blow themselves in their legitimate land.
2- INNOCENT: once you occupy a land , you are no more innocent; you are a Criminal.
3-The israeli society is a military society (and you know this).
4-destroy other countries; palestine is our country; israel is an occupy force (a defacto state to use the international law jargon).

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 7:05 pm ET

Sadly while these useless conversations take place, peace is still a dream. Conversations are useless. People want the fight to go on and on.

Nona   January 14th, 2009 7:06 pm ET

GLeigh, I know. What's really hilarious is that he's quoting one of the most pro-Israel Americans in modern politics, James Carville. Carville, who worked on Clinton's presidential campaign. Carville originated the phrase, "It's the economy, stupid" in the 1992 elections to indicate that the first President Bush wasn't doing enough to help the economy.

I guess those who love Hamas must steal the wisdom of pro-Israeli intellectuals and manipulate it to suit their own purposes, since they can't seem to originate any wisdom on their own.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 7:07 pm ET

Exactly how many bomb shelters did Hamas build for the people in Gaza? They knew putting their rockets in populated areas would put them at risk. How many? Most of this sounds really unbelievable to me. Like a nightmare only real. How do people live this way year after year?

Beny   January 14th, 2009 7:08 pm ET

Let me tell you something about the piece of land I am sitting on.

Until the 1880s the place was called "Hirbat Dur'an". Correct me Arabs if I'm wrong, but I've heard that "Hirba" means "wasteland" (like "hurba" in Hebrew). Anyway, it really WAS a wasteland. Just a piece of desert owned by some rich Arab. A stop on the way to Jaffa.

In the 1880s a group of Russian Jewish intellectuals, like Joshua Henkin, came and, with their own money, BOUGHT the land from the Arabs. In 1890 the city of Rehovot was established, "Moshava" (urban settling) style.

Quickly the Jews who came here, hiring Arab and (later) Jewish field workers cultivated the land and created Rehovot's citrus industry.

Then came Dr. Marcus Sieff, a scientist, and established the Sieff Institute here. Later it was expanded by Haim Weizmann and renamed Weizmann Institute of Science.

Rehovot was pretty peaceful until 1920s, when Arab gangs started raiding the citrus fields, killing and robbing. Rehovot hired guards from "HaShomer" organization to defend itself, and they did a good job. Arab raids stopped.

Some fighting went on here in 1947 and some Egyptian bombardment hit Rehovot in 1948, but it was peaceful here otherwise.

Under your oh-so-glorious "Palestinian nation" (which was never a autonomous state, but whatever) the place was a desolate hole. Jews came and BOUGHT it and turned it into a greenhouse for oranges and Nobel laureates :)

Please explain to me how Rehovot is "forcefully occupied" land, and if it isn't, then why the hell did your "freedom fighters" explode here in 2001, and why am I next in line should Hamas get farther-reaching rockets?

"It's the occupation, stupid". What exactly am I occupying?

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 7:09 pm ET

Aljazeera shows images of gazza's cemetaries which were devastated with bombs.
Americans should see where their money is spent .
Even the dead cannot sleep in peace.
What KIND OF terror is this?

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 7:15 pm ET

teach your official and censored history to your little criminals (the normal denotation for kids).If you want to talk about your history, i can start lecturing from now till next month.
Anyway, this "we bought it " gives a hint about your real history.

Nona   January 14th, 2009 7:16 pm ET

Professor called me a liar and claimed I twisted his words, and I asked him to clarify. He still hasn't.

So Professor, I ask again: Do you want peaceful co-existence with Israel, or do you want Israel obliterated? Please clarify.

Mohammed, please feel free to leave. By all means, do not let me keep you from your important terrorist activities. But if you are seeking a reply from me, I will give it to you, although we both know before I even reply that you will not agree.

1. Israel is a legitimate country with a right to exist. It did not steal land. It was granted territory and has official nation status with the UN.
2. Israel is a legitimate country with a right to exist. That fact nullifies your No. 2.
3. Israel would rather not be a military society. When its neighbors decide they want to coexist peacefuly, military considerations and actions will become much less importance. Nevertheless, Israel has thriving intellectual, entrepreneurial, academic, artistic, technological and medical infrastructures as well as a state-of-the-art military infrastructure.
4. Palestine was not an independent country at the time of Israel's creation. It's impossible to occupy a country that didn't exist. You know know that perfectly well. but the Palestinian people have every right to human dignity, protection, safety, education, opportunity and respect.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 7:16 pm ET

Mo – The dead aren't sleeping.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 7:17 pm ET

Been there. Done that.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 7:19 pm ET

Breaking news
a company of chemical products is burning in Ashdoud ("israel").
carry on Alkassam.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 7:19 pm ET

They aren't comparing the sizes of their bombs either. Wars are silly.

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 7:19 pm ET

"Until the 1880s the place was called “Hirbat Dur’an”. Correct me Arabs if I’m wrong, but I’ve heard that “Hirba” means “wasteland”"

Hirba means.spear in Arabic

Khirbat means part of a name of a village there are hundreds of names like this that starting with Khirbat and they are inhabited town and villages some of them these days have a million dollar homes in them.

that shows how Ignorant you are about the Area and it shows you are an outsider there and you will always be.

Beny   January 14th, 2009 7:20 pm ET


A special rocket hit Israel today. The rocket contained quick-combustion phosphrous charges. A.k.a. White Phosphorous.

Only lately everyone was very keen of accusing Israel of using WP, even though it is banned only against civilians, and Israel uses it for lighting (not dangerous) and used it a couple of times against Hizballah bunkers.

Now Hamas are using it in their weapons too, and AIMING AT CIVILIANS. Do we get a single condemnation? Guess.

Nona   January 14th, 2009 7:21 pm ET

Hello Beny! I often read your posts and seldom am online at the same time as you. It is very nice to see you!

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 7:22 pm ET

Beny – you can't have the title of stupid. It's mine.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 7:22 pm ET

i dont have terrorist activities; im not a zionist. Let civilians sleep . stop your terror.

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 7:22 pm ET


you too

Nona   January 14th, 2009 7:23 pm ET

I see the real Dan Perlman has escaped the cardboard box of his retarded hijacker. Welcome, Dan!

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 7:24 pm ET

you are a disgrace to the semitic family.

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 7:24 pm ET

"A special rocket hit Israel today. The rocket contained quick-combustion phosphrous charges. A.k.a. White Phosphorous"

I hope you are right. I hope they have hundreds of them.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 7:26 pm ET

I have bought a third oven today.

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 7:26 pm ET

hi nona

need reinforcements?


hamas is all but finished, they are down to about 20 rockets a day now, compared with about 70-80 before the isareli action

did you see haniye give his speech yesterday from the bunker under the sheefa hospital emergency room on tv

he looked very scared and haggard. i saw pictures of him 1 month agao and now, what a difference

no wonder, he must pee in his pants all the time

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 7:27 pm ET

Akiva is quite entertaining. Didn't take us long to know it wasn't Dan.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 7:28 pm ET

no one believes you.

harvey   January 14th, 2009 7:29 pm ET

mohammed gharbawi January 14th, 2009 1742 GMT

"Harvey is the beautiful frontstore of a fierce killing machine gun and he knows it. What you tell him is what he is waiting for."

Hi guys...I think I win with regard to titles dispensed by Mohammed.
I mean "Harvey the beautiful"?????

Anyways my catch phrase "MORE HOUMOS LESS HAMAS!!!!!"

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 7:29 pm ET


i really don't give a sh*t what you think, so don't wast your time addressing me, OK?

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 7:30 pm ET

Levni has a young face and a very very old neck? Any animal to explain this to me?

harvey   January 14th, 2009 7:33 pm ET

I think Nona was doing pretty well without us all!

Beny   January 14th, 2009 7:35 pm ET


That's because I seldom am online. Unlike these Hamas-paid terrorists, I have loads of other work. Y'know, world domination and stuff, nasty little Jew that I am :)

But I really appreciate your support of Israel.


Apparently "stupid" comes to everyone who can't understand that "its all about the 'occupation' (I ask again: what occupation?), stupid". Join the club of stupid.


Thank god our enemies are SO STUPID.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 7:36 pm ET

i see. I 'll have to buy as many ovens as i can.

racasel   January 14th, 2009 7:36 pm ET

Palestine will be peaceful if those muslims will join their fellow Palestinians who are Chrstians by converting to one of them. That will help undo the violent teachings they have learned.

harvey   January 14th, 2009 7:36 pm ET


Amen to that!

Nona   January 14th, 2009 7:37 pm ET

Well, thank you Harvey!

I must say, the stench is considerably less nauseating since you, Dan, GLeigh & Beny joined this little cocktail party.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 7:38 pm ET

I like you

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 7:38 pm ET

hey beny

are your cells growing nicely? if not, madd some IL-6 to the growth medium

staying today or tired, like me, of the intelligents here

harvey   January 14th, 2009 7:40 pm ET

Yeah a lot MORE HOUMOUS and no HAMAS!!!!!

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 7:40 pm ET

In any army, government, club, group, there are always going to be okay people and stinkers. Even if the war doesn't end, blindly hating everyone, like the okay people, and blindly liking everyone, even the stinkers is wrong. Hate and revenge shouldn't absorb a life. All Israeli people are not terrible. All Palestinian people are not terrible. Fight on, but know that. I hope you work it out, eventually. I'm getting house happy, gotta get out for awhile. We are not alone. In that other place, these things matter none. Believe me or not. I really don't care. Bye all. Stupid here will be back later or tomorrow.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 7:41 pm ET

Israel propagandists,
What has your idf achieved? how many Alkassam fighters have been eliminated? how many children, women,and innocent civilians, who don’t even belong to the party of Hamas?
you call this courage?
I f your soldiers are real men, why do they have to kill whole cities before deciding to enter cities?
tell the us to give you more explosives; you really embarrass Rice; each time she buys for you time, you let her down.Smame on you (she must say).

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 7:42 pm ET

Beny .

you are nothing but a mouthpiece
to the Zionist filth in Palestine.

you never answer questions you post your lies and vanish.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 7:43 pm ET

Now, how many objectives (the declared and the undeclared) have been achieved? Till now, from my sources, I see that your boys penetrate few meters and then retreat back.For God’s sake, they are afraid. let them go to their mummies.
All our soldiers( fewer than yours for sure, and barely armed ) have lost relatives, and they are angry. They believe in martyrdom and they defend a just case. Calculate all this and think about the end.

GLeigh   January 14th, 2009 7:45 pm ET

P.S. Harvey – It's your legs. Quite attractive. lolol Kidding. See ya all.

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 7:45 pm ET

I saw what you said about me.
BTW, if you would have bothered to read, I don't have cancer, I have 3 Auto Immune diseases. And who are you to moderate who talks about what? I can talk about anything I want.

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 7:47 pm ET


let them argue with themselves

they feel so important

Beny   January 14th, 2009 7:47 pm ET


Not growing cells. I already said- I'm a chemist, not a biologist. I deal with proteins extracted from cells.

Where the biology insight from, anyway?


Good for you on the ovens. Now do us all a favor and stick your head in one.

Gotta go, see ya tomorrow, and may the Hamas terrorists finally peek out from behind the poor Gazan kids so our Givati snipers can get a shot at 'em.

Au revoir

Nona   January 14th, 2009 7:47 pm ET

Racasel, I am for anything that will undo the violent teachings of anybody. I think you're on to something.

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 7:48 pm ET

How are you? You know we got stabbed in the back last night after we got off. I got back on to say goodnight, I thought I had forgot. So go read what was said. I'm dissapointed and considered not coming back.

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 7:49 pm ET


i'll tell you if i see you

no beny in the WIS dierctory that fits you, though

harvey   January 14th, 2009 7:51 pm ET

Oh mouthpieces of Hamas...

If Gaza looks like "VICTORY" for your people you obviously ain't even watching Al Jazeera...devestation and humiliation more like. How sad that you talk of victory when the very people Hamas are supposed to represent they use as cannon fodder to further their own vile political end game.

Your people have the pity of this Zionist....l

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 7:52 pm ET

For smart Americans:..................................
Reasons why the US has to leave israel alone:
1-People in the Arab world associate Americans with Israelis because of the unconditional support of the us government.
2-As illiteracy reaches alarming proportions in the arab world, this association leads the society to be radical and extremist because ordinary people feel clueless in the face of the injustice found in the middle east.
3-This is exploited by terrorist groups of Alqaide who mobilize the ignorant crowd to attack americans (the 9/11 attacks is an example).
4-The international community sees that USA has double standards when it comes to israel.
5- Ordinary americans have to know that their money (of the ordinary tax payer) goes to kill innocent people whereas this same poor american has problems with his mortgage. This privilege is due to the lobby of israel in the congress. Go to your congressman and ask him why and threaten not to vote for him if he agrees with sendind money to a “state” to kill newborns.
Dear Americans
We, Arabs love you, but the way you side with this bastard nation is really a problem for us.Israel only embarrasses you.................................................................................

Nona   January 14th, 2009 7:52 pm ET

OK folks. I have to move on the business of living. No plotting to kill anyone or purchasing of human ovens. No plans for destruction or invention of lies and propaganda. Just some basic wage-earning and school studying.

Especially happy to speak with some folks I rarely get to see! Peace to all. Shalom Salaam Paix Peace etc.

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 7:53 pm ET



mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 7:56 pm ET

Israel has done an irrecuperable error in its treatment of the crisis in gazza:
1- It has revived the palestinian cause after it was clinicaly dead.
2-It has unveiled the ugly face of the occupation.
3-It has shown to the world who is mubarak and king abdullah.
4-It has shown that Qatar is just acting as a quasi-democratic and progressist nation by hosting Aljazeera since it could not close the commercial israeli office even if it has no peace treaty with it.
4-It has embarrassed the international community.
5-IT HAS SHOWN THAT IRAEL CAN BE EASILY BEATEN.....................................

harvey   January 14th, 2009 7:56 pm ET

Guys gotta run

Mohammed use those ovens for some nice pitta to go with the MORE HOUMOS LESS HAMAS!!!!!



G Leigh thanks for the compliments!!!!!

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 7:58 pm ET


Warsaw ghetto and Gaza have lots in common but one big difference
.unlike Warsaw in Gaza you have men fighting not chickens.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 7:59 pm ET

Let me assure you
Israel has lost the war. However, we should make the assassins pay the price of what they did to our kids and women, men, doctors , secourists, etc. Our blood is not water and is not cheap. They should know that they are not above the law.
As a member of the association of arab lawyers, we are preparing a petition to be signed by all free people of the world.
However, what is imporatant for us is a demand from either Abbas , who is the president of the defacto state of palestine, or Amr Moussa, the president of the Arab league where palestine is an active member, to sue Levni, Olmert, Barrak, and Ashkinazi for crime against humanity. Once this request is deposed, we will do our best to bring the criminals to justice............................................................................

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 7:59 pm ET

bye harvey

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 8:03 pm ET

bye everybody

harvey   January 14th, 2009 8:04 pm ET


You are right about Gaza. The men fighting are our Israeli soldiers, the chickens are Hamas leaders hiding in bunkers, using women and little children as human shields....

Long live Israel.


Solomon   January 14th, 2009 8:06 pm ET

have you seen in the history of war fare cemeteries been targeted and bombed?
these Zionist criminals did that yesterday.
can any one tell me if the Nazis did that?

harvey   January 14th, 2009 8:07 pm ET


They're all yours. Be gentle with 'em....They're not up to any real academic debate right now....

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 8:07 pm ET

Indian Chief 'Two Eagles' was asked by a white government official, 'You have observed the white man for 90 years. You've seen his wars and his technological advances. You've seen his progress, and the damage he's done.'
The Chief nodded in agreement.
The official continued, 'Considering all these events, in your opinion, where did the white man go wrong?'

The Chief stared at the government official for over a minute and then calmly replied. 'When white man find land, Indians running it, no taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, clean water.
Women did all the work, Medicine man free. Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing; all night having sex.' Then the chief leaned back and smiled. 'Only white man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 8:08 pm ET

the arabs did it to the jewish cemetaries in jerusalem

CS   January 14th, 2009 8:11 pm ET

Hey I'm back. Hello to all who want a mature dialect.
Professor. I agree with what you said about Israel not admitting to any wrongdoin. 100%. But there are SOME, who will say the truth for what it is. Just like the Jewish professor who wrote the article on the truth of the Palestinian Israeli conflict. Just like myself, who is American, but strongly disagrees with my governments descisions over the last eight years. And Harvey, if you look at most of the examples, proofs, and websites that I give to back up my opinion, you'll see that many times, I use a Jewish person, or Media source like Haaretz, to prove the point that Israel IS opressing Palestine, and has been using U.S. dollars and equipment to do it. This is wrong. things don't have to be this way. The playing field should be leveled.
European Jews did'nt just appear in Palestine, and all of a sudden there were tanks, Jets, and Guns. Someone helped them, just like someone should help Palestine. If Palestine were financially, educationally, and militarily independant, the civilians would probably elect to remove Hamas. But if the only option is to fight an opressive regigm with the little you have, than I applaud the Palestinian people for holding on, and not going softly.

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 8:12 pm ET

Israeli are good soldiers when they shoot women and children from sixty ton tanks and F16 jets and apache.
but they are chickens when confronted man to man.

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 8:14 pm ET

the jordanians descrated the jewish cemetaries when they occupied jerusalem, using gravestones in donkey stalls and pissoirs

Nona   January 14th, 2009 8:15 pm ET

Dan - popped back on for a quick question to you. I did not see Hineyah's address from the bunker yesterday. Do you have a link or website where I can see it? Please post one if you do and i'll check back later!

Keep up the great work!

Oh, and did you see the giant pro-Israel rally in front of CNN headquarters on Sunday? Neither did CNN, obviously. But trust me, it was there and it happened. Very peaceful – thousands of people.

Peace out.

I.B. Wright   January 14th, 2009 8:19 pm ET

Harvey- Your victory cry for your glorious and mighty IDF that has, as you put it "caused devestation and humiliation more like" to the Palestinian people has a very hollow ring to it. Victory against an enemy that doesn't have one tank, one warplane, one helicopter or one phosphous laden bomb just doesn't sound all that impressive. Israel has killed or maimed thousands of innocent people in Gaza vs 13 Israelis so yes, the numbers are in your favour but it's hardly worth bragging about.

CS   January 14th, 2009 8:20 pm ET

Everybody seems to be forming an opinion of the latest events in Palestine. My question is this; How do we make our opinions? Do we turn on the TV, believe everything they say? Or do we watch, and decode it, figure out what makes sense, and what does'nt. Like why there's no media coverage in Gaza from the Palestinian side. Or if the tactics told are truly the tactics being used. Or if lies are told to keep money/support from certain sources. The Matrix has many of you. WAKE UP.

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 8:22 pm ET


no link i could find, the two pics were side by side in a newspaper, the differnce was appaling

wright, you are rong

phosphorus mortar fired from gaza yesterday

incidentally, israel has no iranian grad missiles either

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 8:23 pm ET

ant brain.
I bet there are lots of holes that you can hide in but the Palestinians are coming with DDT.

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 8:25 pm ET

the jordanians desecrated jewish cemetaries in jerusalem, just like the nazis

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 8:26 pm ET

"phosphorus mortar fired from gaza yesterday.

ant brain.
one of them might hit you on the head.

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 8:27 pm ET

Syrian President Bashar Assad called on Israel to cease its military operation in Gaza immediately, while simultaneously demanding that Hamas cease its fire towards Israel in an interview with the BBC network

CS   January 14th, 2009 8:28 pm ET

I.B. Wright makes a very strong point. How much can a man bragg that he outmatched an obviously lesser oponent. We'll see what happens when the playing field is leveled, of if Israel finds itself amidst a battle with a formidable oponent. I really wish other Islamic nations would whole heartedly unite behind Palestine. Then I bet this would come to a quick halt. That's what bullies do. Whenconfronted, they tuck tail and run. Look at vietnam. Look at Lebanon. At least the Japanese fought until they were out of bullets. Even then, they flew their planes into the target. Now that's a pair of brass stones right there.

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 8:28 pm ET

I just watched live a house with Israeli soldiers inside under attack by the resistance it seems that all the soldiers are on their way to hell.

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 8:29 pm ET

and we come back to the cemetaries

whenever you are found out liying, you change the subject

typical bahaviour pattern for antisemites

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 8:34 pm ET

War Lessons?

Will Arabs learn war lesson?

Can Muslims engineer coexistence instead of inventing "resistance?"

Farid Ghadry Published: 01.13.09, 18:31

One cannot but wonder, watching the demise of Hamas, if the outcome of this war is more of a lesson for Arabs or Israelis. What experiences can we draw from a war against a supposed enemy whose power and knowledge are incontestably superior to ours? Not many if the Assad regime, responsible for the havoc over the last 40 years, remains in power.

The real opportunity of this war is that it may spark an Arab Renaissance if, and only if, the Assad regime is removed and replaced by Syrians intent on building a nation instead of destroying other countries, by moderate Muslims ready to crush extremists instead of amplifying their miserable existence, and by Arabs able to embrace nationalism in order to engineer coexistence instead of inventing "resistance."

Assad and the Ba'ath Party will sacrifice every Palestinian, Syrian, Israeli, Lebanese, and Iraqi soul to stay in power, much like Iraq's Hussein did until brought down by force. For those of us who know the regime intimately, terror is its tool of choice and it houses terrorists just as Hollywood houses celebrities.

While Hamas commits Hamacide, a term my son Samer recently coined to define the group's self-destruction, Hizbullah is watching the events unfold with fear pounding the temples of its leadership and knowing full well that they must re-invent themselves for the next round of hostilities. Testing Iran's military field tactics or Assad's guerrilla warfare, and using the undeniably stupid leadership of Hamas, are but a distraction dwarfing the nuclear ambitions both Syria and Iran are racing towards.

Where is the West's "Task Force" developing surgical knowhow to eradicate both regimes? For those wishful thinkers who believe in a dialogue with Assad, be aware that Hamas, Hizbullah, Fatah al-Islam, and many other terror groups are critical balance sheet entries without which Assad is bankrupt and his actions ultimately inconsequential.

Whereas Hamas is intent on testing the been-there-done-that Israeli Army who is determined, this time around, to uproot the terror on its door step, Assad and Ahmadinejad play the West like a harp and the Arabs like a disposable tissue. Notwithstanding the fact Hamas today endangers the lives of its own children and women to show-off what it learned from the Iranian Hizbullah, their cacophony, mirrored by their meager existence, reflects the failure of the West to recognize what Michael Ledeen has dubbed the "Terror Masters in Damascus and Tehran" pulling, like Marionettes, the strings of today's war.

Empty assurances of cooperation

Even if the IDF memory bank is getting an upgrade with the latest the Syrian and Iranian regimes have to offer from their arsenal of terror, both regimes will engineer a comeback that will kill more Israelis, more Palestinians, more Lebanese, and more Iraqis. It is a certainty that Damascus' next plans of terror are blossoming and waiting to be harvested even before the expected implosion of Hamas, while Assad is selling the West empty assurances of cooperation.

Assad's extremism, hiding behind a smoke screen of secularism, is infinitely more dangerous than the exposed extremism of Hamas which, not unlike Saddam Hussein, always tells you exactly what its intentions are. The Assad regime grows stealthily Islamic terrorism in all its forms and, by all accounts, is the ultimate enemy of both moderate Muslims and western countries. By letting Assad off the hook, we, Syrians, are endangering the spark of our own Renaissance which, if history is right, can be precipitated from a free and enlightened Damascus experiencing today the darkest days of its perseverance as the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world.

For Arabs to save themselves from the doom of ignorance and ineptitude, we must fight for the freedom of our masses to liberate them from extremism. Saving Iraq from Saddam while keeping her sandwiched between Assad and Ahmadinejad is an irony of gargantuan proportions. Undeniably, oppression is the conduit through which extremism flourishes. Unless we resolve this oxymoronic doctrine in which stability comes with dictatorial rule yet the dictators themselves deliberately foster extremism, the Arab civilization is doomed.

Unfortunately, along the way, Assad's collage of terrorists will continue delivering damaging blows to Israel and the West while pretending he wants peace and propitious relations.

Farid Ghadry is the president of the Reform Party of Syria, a US-based leading Assad opposition political group

I.B. Wright   January 14th, 2009 8:36 pm ET

rong about what?

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 8:39 pm ET

"that doesn’t have ........or one phosphous laden bomb just doesn’t sound all that impressive"

phosphorious laden bomb

hamas has plenty of them

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 8:45 pm ET

the brainless idiot is back

I.B. Wright   January 14th, 2009 8:47 pm ET

Logic says if Hamas had plenty of them then they wouldn't have waited for the Israelis to start using them.

Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 8:48 pm ET

dan do you need more?

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 8:52 pm ET

ant brain.
I have to admit that some time you are funny.

brandon360   January 14th, 2009 8:52 pm ET

go idf

Solomon   January 14th, 2009 8:55 pm ET

dont rush it they are going slowly to a big defeat.

back soon.

Meh   January 14th, 2009 8:56 pm ET

bush freed Iraq from the tyrnny of saddam. thank bush that you can speak out against him, becasue under saddam you would have been hanged. (or in any other arab country).

CS (completely stupid), you ask for all muslim nations to unite behind palestine- in its war for israels destruction? and what good has fighting israel done the arabs for the last 60 years?

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 8:56 pm ET

logic and hamas

you are kidding, aren't you?

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 8:58 pm ET

somebody has hijacked my name again, must be lunatic akiva as yesterday

Meh   January 14th, 2009 8:59 pm ET

I.B. correct, it may very well be that these phosphoros kasams are a recent addition to hamas's arsenal, smuggled in over the last weeks (instead of food and medicine, which they demand of israel)

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 9:00 pm ET


they get it in trucks through israel

then hamas hijacks the trucks, steals the supplies and sells them at overinflated prices to the poor population

Nona   January 14th, 2009 9:01 pm ET

IB, logic isn't the hallmark of Hamas.

Logic says that you don't lob 11,000 rockets at the civilians of a nation with the most state-of-the art equipment and the most experienced soldiers on Earth, unless you can match their military prowess. Hamas that thought that it was a really good idea anyway.

If you're looking for logic from the Hamas crowd, you're barking up the wrong tree.

(Back to the books ...)

Meh   January 14th, 2009 9:03 pm ET

dan yes i heard reports of this in the news. hamas stealing suplies. doesn't surprise me one bit. i still think israel should do in gaza what we did in gruzia

cubfan   January 14th, 2009 9:07 pm ET

Hamas begs for cease fire.
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – Egypt and Hamas were negotiating a proposal for a 10-day cease-fire in Gaza

Maybe Hamas should have never attacked Israel with missiles, aimed at women and children. Now they are surrounded by tanks and superior force that is under Gods protection and these cowards hiding behind children Beg for mercy. Hamas is so pathetic that the Arab leaders have abandoned their sorry asses.

Basically all Hamas has left is leaders hiding in Damascus unwilling to sacrifice themselves, their fighters in Gaza hiding in basements and hospitals unwilling to fight and waiting for blood money from Iran.

To end this conflict all the west has to do is choke off the money flowing from Iran and there would be no incentive for these pathetic opportunists to continue to hold the population of Gaza hostage to their evil.
Hamas the bell tolls for thee

Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

dig a tunnle.. go into gaza.. bring us the truth!

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

the army with the state -of -the -art technology failed to enter gazza city. something must be wrong with your kids.

Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

USA ... zionists owns you :D
bush did spend them all your money and now he cant explain where the cash is :D
6 or 8 years such a idiot!
be proud
USA owned by zion:D

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

we engenneer life, and you spread death.

Meh   January 14th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

No mohammed, the army with state-of-the-art technology is attempting to reach its goals (stopping rockets forever) without entering gaza. to save lives. because, you know, israel actually cares about israeli and palestinian lives

Meh   January 14th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

Mohammed, the only thing palestinians invented and engineer are kassams. israel creates a lot of medicine and hospital equipment. who engineers life here?

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

Nona Israel needs egypt to find a way to the current situation.
As Israel has become short of a strategic bank of potential targets (to the extent of bombing a cemetary!!!!), as its soldiers can not penetrate the dense city of gazza (olmert and levni cannot bear the burden of the expected casualties), as the alkassam brigade and the other resistance factions ' military arsenal is still intact, and as the world has had enough (an unprecedented war ever in terms of the tempo of the mass killing of an already fragile population), Israel is desperately waiting fro hamas to accept a cease-fire with certain conditions to gain face. till now hamas defiantly sticks to its agenda. God is great.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

Has it stopped the rockets?

Meh   January 14th, 2009 9:45 pm ET


"till now hamas defiantly sticks to its agenda." which is, as one can see, the complete destruction of israel. seeinghow hamas "defiantly stick" to this destructive charter, can you really imagine peace talks with those guys?

i say do what we did in gruzia. you don't see that saakashvili idiot bothering Russia anymore, do you?

Nick-Canada   January 14th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

Was watching a Canadian news channel late last night, I believe it was CBC, but very interesting. The news reporter came on apoligizing with respects too the interview of Barrack Obama where he said he has some words to say about the women and children, and thats all they showed, but thats not all he said which appears to have made him mad. He also said which was not shown, that he aswell has some words to say about the innocent dead in Israel. So there you go, Obama is'nt going to do anymore for Hamas that Bush did'nt, the media obviously did not want anyone to see that, and like I said the apology was late at night, smaller fraction of people seeing it. But like I have been saying all along, Americans do not negotiate with terrorists and niether will Barrack, despite hoe our media trys too twist things. May the Lord give Israel great strength to weaken it's enemy.

Meh   January 14th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

goodnight, not even dan and nona can make this liar den more bearable.

see ya in the morning as harvey said- MORE HUMMUS LESS HAMAS!

I.B. Wright   January 14th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

dan,Nona et al – You're missing the point regardless of whether you associate logic with Hamas or not. If Hamas did have these kinds of weapons and they were getting their butts kicked, there's no way in the world that they would hold them back until after Israel used them ..unless they have a little more respect for human life than Israel does. Otherwise how can you explain it? The other possibility is that these are recent additions to their arsenal in which case, maybe Israel should re-consider its stance on a ceasefire. If Hamas is still able to get weapons through after the Israeli bombardment of their tunnels and supply routes then what if they got weapons that could actually do some serious damage to Israel? As long as they are enjoying and easy "victory" against an underarmed enemy there's really no incentive for Israel to consider a ceasefire. They need to get their asses bitten a few times before they'd even consider calling off the dogs.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

I know you hate me; I would be a liar if I say I love you.
However, I have a solution or a kind of compromise. leave palestine and we will not chase you.
Apart from this solution, wait for hell. We are many and you are few. What you do is only creating enemies in the countries where we live. Beware.

Nona   January 14th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

Checking in just to say bye to the higly intelligent Meh! Later!

And hi to Nick-Canada. Sorry guys must study - limited time for highly stimulating conversation with Hamasses.

Bill   January 14th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

Its amusing to hear the terrorist supporters who said that Hamas will be victorious now making excuses for those Islamic terrorist cowards. Oh, it's not that big a deal. They would have done better on a level playing field.

Face the truth for once. They ran away. Everytime they faced Israeli soldiers they ran away and hid behind women and children. They scurried down their little rat holes and let the civilian population die for their cowardice.

Brave Islamic warriors! I now know why the Islamic terrorists wear those stupid masks – to hide their eternal shame. They "love death", well as long as its somebody else's. Cowards! No honor, just empty words from morally and spiritually bankrupt people who cause the death and destruction of their own people.

I laugh at all of you Islamic terrorists. I wish you would quit running away so I could throw my shoes at you. LOL Pathetic, but predictable.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

I have been told that hamas has the anti-tank missile that destroyed your mirkava in south lebanon. They are waiting for you to enter the tight avenues of gazza. this will be your cemetary.

Tia   January 14th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

For those too dumb to understand: Hamas was voted for by the people of Palistine. Hamas actually represents the people of Hamas because no one....and I mean no one would stand up and fight for the hundred of innocent palistinian men kidnapped & children being sniped by Isreali soldiers! This is a fact....Look it up Idiots! Here is another fact...the treaty was actuallly broken by the Israeil soldiers killing 6 palistinian men on the border in GAZA. Look It UP. It's amazing how simple and uninformed people wish to remain! This has nothing to do with Islamic Militants! This has everything to do with people defending themselves and not backing down to a Terroristic Country Israel! These are war crimes that Israel is comitting. Hand made rockets versus Tanks, Bombs, long range missiles etc! Israel has lost 14, 10 of which are soldies. Gaza has lost 1000 and these are civilians! Stop justifying the mass murder being executed by Israel! Even Israei's are protesting the murder happening in Gaza! READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Professor   January 14th, 2009 9:54 pm ET


See the lies in your comments.... you say that Hamas built the underground tunnels to hide in them.... and then you say that they are hiding behind civilians.... The pictures shoed us that the Israeli Occupying Forces is the one using Palestinians as human shields.... And a picture is worth more than a 1000 words... I have yet to see one Hamas fighter hiding behind a human shield....

All the Human Rights organizations accused you of using Palestinians as Human Shields.... and I believe them more than I believe you. Period full stop.

I.B. Wright   January 14th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

Wow Nona- You make it sound like all supporters of Israel are intelligent and everyone else is a "Hamasses" What the hell are you sudying for -a urine test?

Damien Blackley   January 14th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

I have never come across so much hatred been promoted by some who call themselves a JEW or by some who support the Jewish cause.

I have many friends who are of the Islamic Faith. I have found them to be no different to people of the Christian Faith. They attend their place of worship to pray, they raise their families in accordance with the Koran, they follow the Law of the Land and as a christian they have always extended the hand of friendship to me.

I don't care what your Race, Color or Creed may be. Just as their are some people of Islamic Faith who are terrorists, so there are people of the Christian and Jewish Faith who are terrorists. The conflict in the Gaza is a good example of this and that means both Hamas and Jews.

Do I think there will be lasting peace, NO.

Neither Hamas, Israel or the US are interested in establishing the State of Palestine with East Jerusalem as it Capital and the borders set at the end of the 1967 war.


Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

all US media is owned by jewish zionists!
they did support bush
they did all americans paranoid !
because a bushy therrory :D
they manipulated all americans by media
and they did command bush!
bush was the woerst enemy to all americans!!!
bush did waste your money to zionists to israel
bush did send you to a war because some ideas and no facts
still today, olmert the IDF nazi is commanding bush!
and bush commands the corrupt idiot rice!
all americand are owned by israel!
all americans are sold to israel!
your all slaves!

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

I think you have a certain feeling that I am not an uneducated guy who is here to insult, don't you?
well , respect people if you want to be respected.

Nona   January 14th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

IB Wright - wow, the Hamas lovers come on here and taunt the child of Auschwitz prisoners with how many ovens they're buying and preparing for him. Silence from you. Some Hamas loving guy calls me a slut. Silence from you. Another Hamas loving guy hijacks the user name of a pro-Israeli American. Silence from you. Ad infinitum.

Then I call the Hamas-loving guys "Hamasses" and you get all self rightous and holy.

Tell Hamas of all your brave deeds when they come here and force you to live under Sharia.

Professor – you haven't answered my question.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

we have never relied onthe US. We rely on ourselves. Bush, obama is the same for us.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

You can't distinguish between a liberation war and religion. Religion is a matter of choice/ culture and a liberation war is the sacrifice of all what you own to free your land. In gazza, the question is not centered around whether to apply shriaa or not (we listen to music, our women are free to wear veils or abstain, etc....), but we all agree on one thing: you are our enemy and we should find a way to make you pay the price of what you do to us now in front of the whole shameless world.
That's it.

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

Hi Everyone, Looks like a lively bunch !

Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

Larry Silverstein was the owner of twin towers
he did send his mossad to your towers!
and bush the liar told you it was the arabs!
Larry Silverstein took your cash! by the insurance!
the zionists are robbers to america!!!

and your all blinded by bush!

do youstill think bush is your friend? and not your enemy?
and the friends of bush? are they your friends?
or are all these jewish zionists more friends of israel?

americans... start to think:)

I.B. Wright   January 14th, 2009 10:31 pm ET

Self righteous and holy? Thanks for the compliment...I guess. Being self righteous and holy should hold me in good stead no-matter who decides to "come here and force me to live" a certain way. There are some who might believe your fear mongering but I have to say I'm not scared. I'm sure the Palestinian people have the same fears about the guys building settlements in and invading their territories under the guise of self defense?? Yathink?

Professor   January 14th, 2009 10:34 pm ET

Nona sorry maybe I missed your question.... what was it?

Reza   January 14th, 2009 10:35 pm ET

"Red Cross says Gaza humanitarian situation 'shocking'"


mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

Those who say that palestinians are divided ,they are not. As we speak now, all the resistance factions are fighting now.people like abbas and dahlan dont represent us.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 10:41 pm ET

down with israel

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

read what is going on here and let americans know.

Joan   January 14th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

You say you are trying to free your land. Too bad you value land more than people. What is the value of a bit of land ?

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 10:46 pm ET

All people here
we should find a way to counter israelis by all means.I urge all people in the free world for a general mobilization against the enemy of humanity: the bastard state of israel.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 10:49 pm ET

you dont value land because you have never had one.for us land is a mother. we are like the indians of america. of course, you came here and settled.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

israel has to pay the price of this crime against humanity. the dumb say that haniye should come to the ground anf fight. its OK. He is a fighter by nature. but let him face to face with barrack, and we will see.

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

You know nothing about us Native Americans or our land

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 10:54 pm ET

surprisingly, once i begin to talk, they become afraid and start watching. Hey bunch of israeli cowards, im here.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 10:56 pm ET

death frog
can you explain?

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 10:56 pm ET

Hey Mohammed,
I'm neither Israeli nor a coward, but I'm here

Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 10:57 pm ET

you native americans did elect bush :D

what we wanna know more :D

6 or 8 years bush as he say's
you did war because a therrory...
risc your life because a bush religion of terror
you lost all your money and economy
thanks to bush
thanks to all americans which did elect such a idiot :D

bush ans his israel friends were your woerst enemies!
but you still support them :D

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 10:57 pm ET

you said "you dont value land because you have never had one.for us land is a mother. we are like the indians of america. of course, you came here and settled"
that is what I am referring to

Bill   January 14th, 2009 10:59 pm ET

mohammed gharbawi -

You reek of fear and desperation as your Islamic terrorist friends in Hamas run away and hide. People like you are the reason Palestinians are in the same shape they were in 60 years ago. You don't learn. No matter how many times you are resoundingly defeated and embarrassed as cowards, you still come back for more.

You always choose war and confrontation over peace. How sad for you and your ignorant people. You will always be defeated. Israel is not going anywhere. They have been around for thousands of years. The Palestinians will just blow away in the winds of time like all the others who have tried to eliminate Israel.

Go blow away.

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 11:00 pm ET

I think someone has their facts wrong about who voted for whom. I guess if you are in another country, you can run your pie whole without knowing what you are talking about.
Tell me, Akiva, how many Native Americans do you know and how do you know how they voted?

Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 11:02 pm ET

black feet
native americans did never own land
they thoght, owning of land is stupid
you gave the land to brithish criminals
they did buy it with some trash of glas :D

and now you suppor the imperialists of israel!
they which go to robb the land of gaza people
they who do the same to people of gaza
as the brithish criminals did to you

stupid blinded idiots

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 11:04 pm ET

One of them said that we, arabs and muslims, are different from humans in terms of chromosomes. He meant we are monkeys.This was Dan perman talking to linda.they say they are scientists. how would you react in front of this insult? These are israelis, coward and shameless.

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 11:07 pm ET

Hi Nona! :)

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 11:08 pm ET

I can assure you that there are no chromosomal differences. and all people are 99.9% the same. And if Dan was talking to Linda, She did not see it.

Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 11:09 pm ET

are you on crack?
where is Nona?

Joan   January 14th, 2009 11:12 pm ET


you think you are intelligent and brave, but cowards are those who cannot face reality and keep making the same mistakes. Any fool can hurl bombs. It takes brainpower to build a life in peace.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 11:12 pm ET

ask Levni about the situation. Even if you kill all hamas militants and nonmilitants, you will not win because what you did up to now is unforgivable. you used to have one hamas; now , yo uhave X hamas to use mathematics. I swear to God to eradicaye from the map as soon as possible. you have been a pain in the ass for decades. Even the hypocrite west will thank us.

Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 11:13 pm ET

idiots are thoese who try to get peace
and gain the hata of the whole world!

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 11:14 pm ET

And Mohammad,
I did see what you were saying earlier about talking about the chemo. It is pretty bad when you want to talk about someone when they are not here. BTW, anyone can talk about what they want and when they want, Who made you moderator?

Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 11:16 pm ET

Linda go to a chemo blog to talk about your health
sorry but true

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 11:17 pm ET

You just wish you had the power to kick me off of this blog. Why don't you go back to the sewer?

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 11:19 pm ET

I always tried to have a good dialogue with you, I'm sorry that will not continue.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 11:20 pm ET

please, which peace?.you come from poland and russia and germany and you sit in our land with the support of the british, and after some years, you tell us its history. are you dreaming?, which history is that?
aSHKINAZI? KILL ALL GHAZZANS. We are preparing to eat you withour teeth.
I want you to feel this hatred. this is how the arab world feels about you, nazis.

Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 11:20 pm ET

linda all my interessts here is only about you :D
i have to ask my self...
why is CNN no doing Linda chemo blog??

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 11:22 pm ET

death frog
go and kill yourself because if yu stay in "israel", ior my sons will kill you and eat your flesh.

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 11:23 pm ET

I'm sure my chemo is not that interesting to CNN, but it seems to be to you.

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 11:24 pm ET

I'm not in Israel. What are you talking about? I do love frog legs though

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 11:26 pm ET

I thank you for this remark. I have never said thjis to anybody. this a low-level psychology strategy to distract our attention.
you know that pro-israelis have gathered today in front of CNN? WHY, I don't know.

Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 11:26 pm ET

go and stop the massacre in gaza!
stop the nazis!!!
thell the people what israel is doing to this people!
show us how israel is owning the USA and you too :p

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 11:28 pm ET

death frog
im not talking about you; im talking about linda.

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 11:29 pm ET

I am Linda

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 11:33 pm ET

Wow Mohammed,
I'm surprised you were attacking me and didn't know who I was. If you thought I was someone other than Linda, why were you attacking me. And FYI, I have never been Pro-Israel or for this war, I think this entire situation is deplorable.

Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 11:35 pm ET

some jews in USA did a demonstration against the genocide by israhell
.... was eating and was not so watchfull
but i think also the jews ... the real religious jews.. dont support this genocide
they know its the same as hitler did to them
and the real religious jews which believe into the tora
they say that religion ... theyr religion
dont allow them to own land or a country
its against the tora in which they believe!
in a way they are as the native americans... as the black feets
owning land is stupid! they belefe land is for all humans and all creations by god

but the zionists the israelis they believe in money land and material :(
they are evil

Bill   January 14th, 2009 11:36 pm ET

mohammed gharbawi –

Do you think your words honor your god or your children? You sentence your children to perpetual war. You must really love them. NOT.

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 11:37 pm ET

GLeigh said that about Native Americans owning land, and there is no such tribe as the black feets. you can not even remember from one day to the next what someone said.

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 11:38 pm ET

Hi Bill! :)

Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 11:38 pm ET

Linda why you use so mush different logins?
what a crap ... are you doing a one person pro israel lobby? :D
are there not enough other israelis?

Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 11:42 pm ET

linda i dont say anything belong o glight ... i am not really reading his propaganda!
i will not go back to look who did say what
i only say what i know
i am not as you ... always talking what others let let talk
or as other wich that i talk

i am me and i am my own ... not as you

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 11:45 pm ET

a severe mental disorder characterized by some, but not necessarily all, of the following features: emotional blunting, intellectual deterioration, social isolation, disorganized speech and behavior, delusions, and hallucinations.
a state characterized by the coexistence of contradictory or incompatible elements.

Joan   January 14th, 2009 11:45 pm ET

yes, this entire situation is deplorable. I do not agree with either side.

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 11:47 pm ET

Thank you for responding Joan. At least someone else is intelligent here.

Akiva Heifetz   January 14th, 2009 11:47 pm ET

bring us more about bin laden and israel!
ask israel if it was that what they did search
more terror more ememies?
ask them what they think about
...if they own gaza ... will there be peace in israel?
there will be more terror ... from all grouts which they know
and from new groups of which they have no idea until now
israel will have to build theyr own prison :D

dan perman   January 14th, 2009 11:51 pm ET

don't call me all the time schizo :D

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 11:52 pm ET


mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 11:53 pm ET

I can assure you that there are no chromosomal differences. and all people are 99.9% the same. And if Dan was talking to Linda, She did not see it.
yougotto be kiddin. What shall i call this crap?

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 11:55 pm ET

What do you mean crap, Mohammed?
When was that said?

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 11:56 pm ET

now lida has turned into a shrink .lol

Death Frog   January 14th, 2009 11:56 pm ET

If that was said, Please copy and Paste it so I can see it.

mohammed gharbawi   January 14th, 2009 11:57 pm ET


Joan   January 15th, 2009 12:00 am ET

In most parts of the world, you don't live under ayone's rule. you must obey the rule of law and pay taxes. otherwise you are free to do what you want and live in peace. and the laws mostly just protect you. unless, of course, you are full of hate and anger and just want to destroy others. anger cannot rule intellect.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 12:01 am ET

farnkly, i used to respect you. what is wrong with you tonight hiding and insulting; everybody knows it s you. common.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 12:01 am ET

Linda – something about you is different, but can't figure it out... A manicure? New hairstyle? New outfit? hmmmm What is it?

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 12:03 am ET

Death frog
Are you linda? IF NOT I'll start insulting you right away. DECIDE.

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:04 am ET

Hey GLeigh,
It's the RED EYES!

I.B. Wright   January 15th, 2009 12:04 am ET

Bill- looks like the jews haven't learned much over that period of time either unless it's really not peace they are after. Consider what Israel has gained over the years by these hostilities and striking the Palestinians with everything they got repeatedly over the years and treating them like penned animals: more settlements on land they don't own and many dead Palestinians. Now compare that with what the Palestinians have achieved: many dead Palestinians. Kinda makes you wonder who is more motivated to have peace with their neighbors, doesn't it? You can blame the Palestinians for all the violence there if you want to but everyone knows that Israel initiates more than it's fair share. It's time they also accepted that the Palestinians are there to stay too because there's no wind strong enough to blow them away.

By the way , do you support the "Road Map" proposal?

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 12:06 am ET

Israelis are going to trigger the apocalypse. I used to be rational and say no. with their deeds , really i feel that they draw everybody mad. Now im mad.

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:07 am ET

I'm not trying to insult you. and yes I am Linda, you missed the joke from last night. That is why I changed my user name. I'm not hiding, even Akiva knew it was me. didn't you see her calling me Linda? I thought everyone knew about it by now.
Also, and have just asked you about those remarks, because I never saw dan say anything to me like that.
and, I wanted to let you know that I saw what you said about me and the chemo, how is that insulting. I was even nice when I said that I thought you and I had good dialogue, and now I'm being attacked.

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:09 am ET

Blackfoot and Black feets are 2 different things,

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 12:09 am ET

hugs and kisses
you did the job
now we know linda.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 12:10 am ET

Linda – My computer is running slow... This blog is too long. Hope you are feeling good. I have to run to the store. The hubby can't eat his cheerios without milk! Talk to you another time when they open up a new blog!

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 12:12 am ET

death frog ... you and you are also different things :D

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:12 am ET

Sounds good GLeigh,
I was just on here to give you a laugh. I saw your blogs from earlier, so I changed my name. Thanks for your concern earlier :)

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 12:13 am ET

remember what you said to dan about me. I saw it. things. i sincerly tried to infrom about. it was about that gas that israel used to kill my people with. i dont remember its name. finally , you gave me the impressionthat he pays you.

Mario   January 15th, 2009 12:14 am ET


mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 12:15 am ET

death frog

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 12:16 am ET

Last post – not patient enough for this slow blog. Linda – I told Akiva that the "death frog" thing was his shining moment. The "gay Israel nazi" was a near second though. Take care of yourself! Changing your name was too funny!!!

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:20 am ET

are you talking about the DIME Weapon, it's not gas, it's a shrapnel weapon that burn the tissue when the shrapnel hits the person. The Italians did studies on it and found that it may have a chemical component in it.
so dan wanted to know because of the entire problem with the correct name, because they were wanting to know that the IDIA was.
Is that what you are talking about?

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 12:21 am ET

concerning your illness, im not attacking you. Where i live, w etake in charge every case with all what we have. this is human assistance. At the same time we differentiate between personal stuff and politics in blogs.
For us, what you say is said to distract from real issues.sorry.

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:22 am ET

OK Mohammed,
I just saw your last blog. Sorry you feel that way. I guess I will be back when intelligent people can have intelligent discussions. See Ya :)

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:24 am ET

If Dan said that, I employ you to find it and paste it here, because I did not either see that nor did I agree with anything of the kind.
I hope to see you another day

Mario   January 15th, 2009 12:29 am ET

An female Israeli art student who lives in Ashkelon told reporters that "SHE FEELS THE PAINS AND THE SUFFERINGS OF THE PEOPLE ON THAT SIDE "THE GAZANS". She said I have home and safe shellter to run to when they shot their rockets out of desperateness but they don't have nothing to run to...SHE SAID MY HEART CRIES FOR THEM EACH TIME I HEAR THE ISRAELI MILITARY DROPS BOMBS ON THEM AND I WANT IT TO STOP..."

May God of Abraham BLESS HER and to the Gazan Army just for the sake of THIS GOOD HEART AND MANY MORE OF THE ISRAELIS JUST STOP THE ROCKETS FOR ONE DAY.This way she knows you heard her cries for you.As she said they are doing what WE HAVE FORCED THEM TO DO...

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 12:29 am ET

i have one question which will show whether you are a person or something else.
What do you think about the civilians who were killed by idf in this waw?

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:32 am ET

I think it is horrible. I have never wanted anyone to die. That it why GLeigh, Lynne, and some of the rest of us, especially because we are mothers, want a stop to this killing.
When I logged on today, I saw the headline that said that the death toll was over 1,000. I hoped people were on here, having a conversation about how to stop this madness, not just start jumping on people for now reason. Does that answer your question?

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 12:33 am ET

who pays you?

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:33 am ET

He Mario!
It's Linda, do you still Love Me?????

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:34 am ET

No, one pays me.
did you not see where American Jew and I had written letters to our congressmen to try and stop this war? Did you not read all of that?

dan perman   January 15th, 2009 12:35 am ET

this is me
my nazi lover
we get support by
my boss
we are pro israel
we are stupid mossad
we ade idf
choosen by god
we support nazis to earn real cash
and we have many more friends
we are the stern gang

Proud to be Israeli!

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:35 am ET

Why do you think I get paid? I don't understand that

Mario   January 15th, 2009 12:36 am ET

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert ,defense minister Ehud Barak and foreign minister Tzipi Livni please listen to one voice of the innocent heart of good hearted Israeli citizen AND STOP THIS MADNESS...

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 12:37 am ET

1000 persons may mean sth for you; it means a lot to me. tell this to dan. may be he feels like our blood is water. The US AND THE ARAB DICTATORS are now with israel. think about the future.

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:39 am ET

Did you read what I said? I think it is deplorable. Why do you think I am on the opposite side as you.
And I do think about the future, and the other mothers too. We do not want our children to grow up in a world of hate and war. What do you not understand about that?

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 12:40 am ET

why did you call gleigh red eye?

Bill   January 15th, 2009 12:42 am ET

U.R. Wrong -

The Palestinians don't have to be treated like "penned animals". If they stop acting like animals there would be no need to isolate them. The Palestinians attack Israel. Israel defends itself. It's simple cause and effect. Stop attacking and there will be no more need for Israel to defend itself against those attacks. After 60 years, the Palestinians have not learned this simple logic. Israel just wants peace. The Palestinians just want war. I don't think Israel wants to fight the Palestinians, but they have to defend themselves against constant Palestinian attacks.

Do I support the Road Map? No, I don't. The Palestinians have shown what they do when given their own land. They dig up the sewer pipes to make rockets to kill Israeli civilians. They rape the land and oppress their own people. They put their own women and children at risk just to try to kill Israelis. Instead of working for a better future for their people, they take billions of dollars in aid and spend it on weapons instead of basic human necessities. The Palestinians have shown that they are not capable of governing themselves. They are a danger to themselves and others.

I saw a blog entry some time ago that still rings true:

"Imagine a Palestinian state. You'd be able to see the flames from space."

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:43 am ET

I did not call Gleigh Red Eye. She said to me, something is different about you today, you hair etc.
I said it was because I had red eyes.
a death frog is a red eyed tree frog from costa rica!

Mario   January 15th, 2009 12:43 am ET

Helllloooo LINNNDA ,Death Frog! you mean the US NAVY SEALS? What are you talking about? Wahts all this stories I hear about you? Now COME ON,WHO ARE YOU?
I don't like the death part but Mario still loves you. Because because ...I just don't know why...

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 12:44 am ET

for israelis, everthing is calculated. you are folllowing a systematic compaign along the kiling one. I fyou want me to believe you, give me your email and i ll see.

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:44 am ET

look at the blog from last night. it is all a big joke. It was pretty funny too.

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:45 am ET

You are a riot! ;)

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 12:46 am ET

Deth frog
you are really israeli!

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 12:47 am ET


your a fascist
real americans did die in world war two
because they did fight against the nazis
and now you comeup with such a fascist speach?
go to hell!!!

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:47 am ET

I told you before, I am not giving you my e-mail
you just want to fight with someone

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:48 am ET

No, I live in Texas. I told you I am not. what is wrong with you?

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 12:49 am ET

this is the first time i see an animal calling humans animals? This must be the End of Days.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 12:51 am ET

you live in texas as bush :D
must be your schoolmate :D

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 12:52 am ET

can you tell me a bit about your friends especially Dan.Where does he live?

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:52 am ET

Yea Akiva,
Everyone that lives in Texas are all the same age and went to the same school.

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:53 am ET

you are crazy

Mario   January 15th, 2009 12:53 am ET

“Imagine a Palestinian state. You’d be able to see the flames from space.”

ooyveh ooyveh ooyveh listem Begorian and Herzog and Began WE NEED TO FIND A COMMON GROUND TO GET ALONG...this was the promise FROM MOSHE...there won't be NO SECOND PASSOVER.

Bill   January 15th, 2009 12:55 am ET

Akiva Heifetz –

You obviously don't know what the word "fascist" means. Please look it up if you know how to use a dictionary.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 12:55 am ET

why do you gather here everyday?

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 12:56 am ET

Because I want to. What about you?

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 12:57 am ET

go and talk to your mom

Keys   January 15th, 2009 12:57 am ET

Linda this is the typical deceptiveness israel deals with every day. these people are not unusual- very typical israel haters who accuse u of things u didnt do and lie and twist and distort and then cry about ooooooo pooooor meeee! israel has to deal with clowns like this every day – now u know what Israel is up against, people who find it acceptable to even make fun of sombeody's chemo. no sense of right and wrong in their actions no matter how much they blab on and on about allllllll the wroooongs done to them. they dont know honor if it bites them on the balls.

I.B. Wright   January 15th, 2009 12:59 am ET

Bill- That's what I thought. You are not prepared to accept the "road map" proposal which gives the Palestinians their land back because they wouldn't be good stewards of that land? Give me a break. Israel really doesn't want peace at all-they use that a front for more aggression so they can occupy more and more land. With that strategy, Israel will never see peace unless the occupation is reversed.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 1:00 am ET

your so right!!!
israel is dealing with clowns :D
one is more stupid then a other;)

Mario   January 15th, 2009 1:00 am ET

No Linda I am not in the riot in gaza...although sometimes I wish I was...

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 1:00 am ET

Thank you for that, but you know, Karma is a bitch! They can say what they want, it doesn't bother me, because I am an intelligent person, I don't spread hate and try to make anyone feel less that a wonderful person.

Bill   January 15th, 2009 1:01 am ET

mohammed gharbawi -

I hope it is the end of days for Islamic terrorists and Islamic terrorist supporters like you. It is certainly the end of days for Hamas.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 1:01 am ET

your country is fading away.
The more you kill, the more we will kill you. remember, we ae are like snakes; w e dont forget.vtellv ashkinazi to give you the corpses
I swear to god, the merciful and the compassionate, that i will have as amission in my life the killing of all jews: kids, women, and men.

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 1:01 am ET

Ha mario,
You got me :)

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 1:03 am ET

Hey Bill! It's Linda, don't you like my new name?

I.B. Wright   January 15th, 2009 1:07 am ET

mohammed- Relax man, this is just a discussion group. If you want to kill kids, women and men, then you would put yourself at the same level as the IDF. God does not want you to kill anyone other than in self defense.

Mario   January 15th, 2009 1:07 am ET

Amoneem kaboutzins hadagheh paleshtinan...cheh khove moshlomm khah.El mouleh...

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 1:08 am ET

listen to this.
you have numbers.
Islam will prevail.
Ill kill you dirty jew. ill kill you with these two hands.
run away.

Bill   January 15th, 2009 1:09 am ET

U.R. Wrong -

That's a laugh. Did you even read what I wrote or are the words too hard for you? The Palestinians will attack Israel from whatever land they have. That is all they know, violence and aggression. They will rape the land too, but that's just a side effect of their depravity.

They were given Gaza. They turned it into a terrorist encampment and all around sewer. They would do the same with whatever territory they are given. They need about 20 more generations to evolve into peaceful humans. Until then, they need to be isolated.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 1:09 am ET


try it with google translation ;)
what a crap:D

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 1:11 am ET

I.B. Wright
i represent my people
you kill everybody. we ll do the same at any time, anywhere.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 1:13 am ET


after that genocide everyone around the world is willing to kill a jew
and after this holocaust there will come more hamas
... and hizbola .. and al quaeeda.. and lot more of them
was this the peace you was searching for?
go and build your own prison and feel save!

I.B. Wright   January 15th, 2009 1:15 am ET

Bill-I must be slow because there was nothing funny about what you said. The bottom line is you want KEEP the land that is not yours and furthermore you didn't GIVE Gaza to anyone since it wasn't yours to give. You don't have to try and explain it to me with more "hard" words because you can't.

Keys   January 15th, 2009 1:15 am ET

Thx moohamed for proving my point. Theese are the peopl the world expects isreal the make piece w/. tell me how is that remotely possible? all they wanna do is kill kill kill!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 1:15 am ET

are you a kid,or a man

see my earlier comments.
this sentence shows that you want me to begin afresh.

however, il summarize:
go to poland and russia basard.

Mario   January 15th, 2009 1:17 am ET

Akiva you sound like kaboutzins and TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON YOUR STAND ON LINDA'S NEW NAME not on the dump part of it but it does NOT fit the easy going online personality of the ex-online-Linda of our vertual world of mere words...sometimes you get attached to the vertual person which in the real world could be a monster.BUT LINDA IS NOT A MONSTER BUT CAUSE LINDA TAKES CARE OF HER HORSES.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 1:17 am ET

yeah Linda the crowad needs your back up help her :D
whats up israelis ... cant you be a own person?
do you all wet your pants?

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 1:18 am ET

Akiva is the one that called me a death frog last night. That is where I got the name. It was so funny. go up and read it, you will get a big laugh

Bill   January 15th, 2009 1:19 am ET

mohammed gharbawi –

You are a credit to your terrorist religion. I agree that you are a snake.
By the way, I'm not a Jew, but I thank you for the compliment! It seems the only people who are running away are Islamic terrorists like Hamas (and their supporters like you). They are running away to hide under the skirts of women and the beds of children.

Such brave Islamic warriors! LOL. The Palestinians are the laughingstock of the world. Such bravado tempered with such cowardice.

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 1:19 am ET

tell your granfather how he came here. he caused you a problem. You KNOW? The british gave you this land, and we will kill all of you on it.

Brandon   January 15th, 2009 1:19 am ET

HI Akiva... goat and dog lover...
how was it with you and PROFESSOR JUNKIE SEX ADDICT...???




Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 1:22 am ET

I'm Linda :)

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 1:24 am ET

linda yaterday i maybe did call you a death frog
.. but today you are a Death Frog :D

Mario   January 15th, 2009 1:24 am ET

Akiva -exactly and seriously that is the point you call it crap and I call it mere words.But my sister from another mother you must learn to read between the lines...

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 1:26 am ET

iranians are your lords and masters, you thief and hypocrite.
your hour is coming.

Bill   January 15th, 2009 1:28 am ET

U.R. Wrong –

That same old occupation lie is getting old. You really should invent a new lie to explain why you are always attacking Israel. The land belongs to Israel. It has for thousands of years, long before your pedophile prophet was defiling 9 year old girls. Then there were the wars where you attacked Israel and lost Gaza from Egypt and lost the West Bank from Jordan. You started these wars and lost. That means, it is not your land anymore, not that it ever was.

The only occupation is the Palestinians and other Arabs on Israeli land. The great thing is that Israel is willing to let you live there, if you can live in peace. Now we all know that is something that you are incapable of doing, due to your violent and bloodthirsty nature. You prefer to always have destruction and death and so, that's what you will get.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 1:28 am ET

try do do short sentences
he wordwarp of this cnn blog is crap :(

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 1:30 am ET

Death Frog
yes its very clear you told us so much that your linda
how can we miss it :D

Bill   January 15th, 2009 1:32 am ET

mohammed gharbawi –

I don't think the leaders of the Islamic terrorist group called Hamas are available to hurt anybody but the Palestinians. Those cowards are too busy hiding in little rat holes or among women and children.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 1:32 am ET

ok .. how many times you wanna reapeat it now linda?

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 1:34 am ET

do you think the israelis are able to hurt the hamas?
do you think they dont hurt the palestinians?
do you think?

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 1:35 am ET

do to see a shrink. this a political forum.we can never be friends.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 1:38 am ET

Its the occupation stupid................. :)

Death Frog   January 15th, 2009 1:39 am ET

Hi Professor,
Good to see you!

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 1:39 am ET

israel is stupid ! :D

Mario   January 15th, 2009 1:40 am ET

We must learn to get along...AMOS GILAD FOR THE PRIME MINISTER IN ISRAEL...Maj. Avital Leibovich LIES ALOT but she looks sexy and she could be and should in Hollywood instead of in war zone...

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 1:41 am ET


Professor   January 15th, 2009 1:41 am ET

Howdy ya'll.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 1:42 am ET

you must learn a verrry lot !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Linda   January 15th, 2009 1:42 am ET

Hi Everyone!
Wow, what is wrong with this web page?

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 1:43 am ET

death frog ... what is wrong with you?

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 1:43 am ET

leave this blog and dont return back
if you do you ll suffer.
I ll know who you are.

Linda   January 15th, 2009 1:45 am ET

What is wrong with you?

I.B. Wright   January 15th, 2009 1:46 am ET

Bill- I have another hard word for you-hypocrite. You sit here preaching about how all Israel wants is peace and tranquility (as long as they are allowed to keep the occupied lands they stole) and then you bitch and complain about the penned in savages for starting all the violence in Gaza. The whole world is finally catching on to them because it's getting too obvious for even Israel's talented propaganda machine to hide it any more. Incredible!

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 1:46 am ET

mohammed gharbawi
dont give up :D
its your right to stay;)

mohammed gharbawi   January 15th, 2009 1:48 am ET

bye everybody
the band is not here. ill have some sleep.bye all.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 1:50 am ET

but maybe we should contact cnn in a other way
and tell them about oure thoghts
maybe we let the stern gang better on ths blog
if someone will see them, they will ask them self
where to hell did israel find such idiots:D

Linda   January 15th, 2009 1:54 am ET

Are you still there? See, I change it back, is that better?

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 1:58 am ET

do what you like to do?
or you you need a dictator who is telling you what you have to do?

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 1:59 am ET

come back ... linda needs your advise!!!
help her to think

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 2:13 am ET

you confused the israelis :D
black flood :D

Nick-Canada   January 15th, 2009 2:15 am ET

"If the Infedels, upon recieving the call (to Islam) niether consent to it nor agree to pay the (infidel) tax, it is incumbent on muslims to call upon god for assistence, and to make war upon them".

The Hidzyah (muslim manual)

Anyone feel that this contradicts everything that has to do with Freedom and Democracy?

Linda   January 15th, 2009 2:16 am ET

Hi Nick
great to see you!

Professor   January 15th, 2009 2:17 am ET


you are an idiot

Professor   January 15th, 2009 2:18 am ET

Let me explain to you why....

Professor   January 15th, 2009 2:20 am ET

You live in a democracy now right?....

Don't you have to pay taxes?

Tell me what will happen to you if you do not pay these taxes and you get caught?

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 2:21 am ET

^^ dont waste your time ;)

Professor   January 15th, 2009 2:24 am ET

Oh and why do you have to pay taxes under that democracy?...

What do they use your taxes for?

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:24 am ET

Hi all. More enlightening dialog to bring about peace I see. Linda – I see you changed clothes again. Death Frog was pretty funny. One of those things that stick in your mind. Being a science person, you even got it. I worried about how you felt today. Glad to see, you're still fiesty.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 2:27 am ET

very science !
mind of a death frog:D

cubfan   January 15th, 2009 2:27 am ET

No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manner of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
Hamas it tolls for thee.

John Dunne

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 2:28 am ET

nice poem :)

Linda   January 15th, 2009 2:30 am ET

Hi GLeigh,
Glad to see you back. yea, pretty funny. Actually I was on this afternoon and saw you were looking for me, but changing my name made it await moderation for about 3 hours. I left and came back.
I'm okay. Wondering what I am doing here anymore. There doesn't even seem to be any decency among some people here. I see no reason to try really.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 2:31 am ET


stop that hallucination....

Its the occupation stupid....

Mario   January 15th, 2009 2:32 am ET

Akiva–Linda was here way before I showed up from the shadows in the dark just like another brick in the wall...I came out of shadows because I liked the interaction between you two naughty goys and felt in love with both of you.Linda toured me toward her more than you did because you get angery too easy and too fast and then become insulant. But I am still between two of you because I find you focussed and concentrated and bit zealous who is trying very hard to control your anger( HAY;IT IS NOT BAD TO GET MAD IT IS VERY HEALTHY).But on the other hand Linda is an easy going and take care of her horses and believe me if that is true it is a very hard work.

The PALESTINIANS AND THE ISRAELIS and they are doing the same and if NOT STOPPED pretty soon there won't be no one on either side left to...

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 2:32 am ET

sall i tell you what you can do longer here?
so tell us about your chemic thing :D
its very interessting !

Linda   January 15th, 2009 2:34 am ET

You are so funny!

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:34 am ET

I saw someone bugging you before I left. I won't bother with his name. He and I have agreed. We dislike each other a hundred percent. I think he's cruel. violent, cruel, cruel, and nasty. I don't know what he thinks of me. Can't even imagine it. So if you were attacked, it was my fault perhaps. Who can even go there, the minds of guys fighting. Anyway, it occurred to me that he might have been your friend earlier and attacked you later. He's attacked me a few. I attacked back. Sorry. Never occurred to me till shopping for groceries that it might have been my fault. Or maybe he just wanted your attention. We now have nicknames. Nona is Nona the Liar. I am plain ole stupid. And you are the homecoming queen – Death Frog. Harvey is the beautiful store person or owner or something. I was laughing too hard. I told him that it was his legs. Our language is hard, but the words some use just make me crack up. I hope there is peace. My computer is dragging.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 2:34 am ET

are you the next poet?:D
tell us more about your poems :)

cubfan   January 15th, 2009 2:36 am ET

Make his fight on the hill in the early day constant chill deep inside
Shouting gun on they run through the endless grey
On they fight for the right
Yes but who's to say
For a hill, men would kill, why, they do not know
Stiffened wounds test their pride
Men of five still alive through the raging glow
Gone insane from this pain that
They surely know

For Whom the Bell Tolls
Time marches on
For Whom the Bell Tolls

Take a look to the sky just before you die, it's the last time you will
Blackened roar, massive roar fills the crumbling sky,
Shattered goal fills the soul with a ruthless cry
Stranger now are his eyes to this mystery, hears the silence so loud
Crack of dawn, all is gone except the will to be
Now they will see what will be, blinded eyes to see

For Whom the Bell Tolls
Time marches on
For Whom the Bell Tolls

Hamas the bell tolls for thee


Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 2:37 am ET

stern gang
turns to poem gang ?

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:37 am ET

My last post was to Linda. Sorry. Distracted.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 2:39 am ET

the bells are tolling in your head or what?:D

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 2:40 am ET

you did not forget a point?

Professor   January 15th, 2009 2:41 am ET


Its the occupation stupid..................................................................... :-p

cubfan   January 15th, 2009 2:42 am ET

Hear the tolling of the bells –
Iron Bells!
What a world of solemn thought their monody compels!
In the silence of the night,
How we shiver with affright
At the melancholy menace of their tone!
For every sound that floats
From the rust within their throats
Is a groan.

The Bell Tolls Three Times For Hamas Tonight

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 2:42 am ET

i hope there is a escape of your madness!

Linda   January 15th, 2009 2:43 am ET

It was not your fault. You had nothing to do with it. they were vile to me before you showed up. The funny thing is, they think it gets to me and it doesn't. They want to call me vile names, talk about my chemo, tell me to die etc, but that shows more about them, not me.
So, did you laugh at the store, thinking about my new name? I thought you would get a kick out of it when you logged on :) It confused everyone, so I changed it back

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 2:43 am ET

do you really hear bells?
take less of your medicine ;)

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:45 am ET

Linda – I know. I thought this was serious dialog at first, a way to communicate. Now it either seems silly fun or useless. I can't judge though. I've not been there. My life is peaceful, always has been. I can't imagine being just a regular person and going through threats, real ones. I have tried. Just can't. Mostly my heart hurts. I don't know the answers. Not sure I know the questions honestly. This is too foreign to me. I am grateful for that because it is horrible.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 2:46 am ET

we all here think a lot about your name !!
we cant think about other things then your name
you posessed all of us with your name!

Mario   January 15th, 2009 2:46 am ET

Now that 's the goy called Akiva who has taken my half the other half goes to the other one...I am like a ball between two places...

Linda   January 15th, 2009 2:48 am ET

I saw your post earlier, about the nick names, that is what gave me the
idea to change it.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:49 am ET

lolol Mario – that means what?

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 2:49 am ET

my heart hurts too
about all the suffering people in gaza!!!! :(
we are so lucky beings here .. still at this cnn blog:)

Professor   January 15th, 2009 2:51 am ET


you are a narrow minded stupid person.... why do you assume that Professor is a male? You do not have female Professors in Zionist Israel?

Its the occupation stupid............ :)

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 2:52 am ET

now what you wanna do .. split your self ?

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 2:54 am ET

israel is dealing here with a bunch of idiots :D
fooling around as clowns
david shall send us more of them :)

Mario   January 15th, 2009 2:57 am ET

That means If one side drops me I will go back to be another brick in the wall again.


Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 2:59 am ET

do as you like ;)

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 3:01 am ET

ohh:) you fixed your capslock... it was time about ! ;)

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:03 am ET

My computer is really lagging. So am I. As a science person Linda, you know every single person on the earth has abnormal cells, cancer cells, Yours just decided to bunch up. It has always seemed a stupid disease to me. Bunching up abnormal cells. We all have one or several. Well, get over it.

Professor – "It's the occupation.....stupid."

I told Nona, when he came on and was called Nona the liar, that he was Nona the Liar, I am GLeigh the stupid, and you are Linda the Death Frog. Harvey said his title was the weirdest. Some kind of beautiful store keeper or something. I told him it was his legs. It was too funny really though this is serious stuff. I try to remember that.
Hi Brandon. I'm lagging. So is my computer.

Linda   January 15th, 2009 3:03 am ET

Don't worry, I would let you be a brick in the wall!

Solomon   January 15th, 2009 3:04 am ET

Amira hass in Haaritz.

The siege of Gaza did not begin when Hamas seized control of the Strip's security organs, or when Gilad Shalit was taken captive, or when Hamas was elected in democratic elections. The siege began in 1991 – before the suicide bombings. And since then, it has only become more sophisticated, reaching its peak in 2005.

The Israeli public relations machinery happily presented the disengagement as the end of the occupation, in brazen disregard of the facts. The isolation and closure were presented as military necessities. But we are big boys and girls, and we know that "military necessities" and consistent lies serve state goals. Israel's goal was to thwart the two-state solution, which the world had expected to materialize once the Cold War ended in 1990. This was not a perfect solution, but the Palestinians were ready for it then.

Gaza is not a military power that attacked its tiny, peace-loving neighbor, Israel. Gaza is a territory that Israel occupied in 1967, along with the West Bank. Its residents are part of the Palestinian people, which lost its land and its homeland in 1948.

In 1993, Israel had a one-time golden opportunity to prove to the world that what people say about us is untrue – that it is not by nature a colonialist state. That the expulsion of a nation from its land, the expulsion of people from their houses and the robbery of Palestinian land for the sake of settling Jews are not the basis and essence of its existence.

In the 1990s, Israel had a chance to prove that 1948 is not its paradigm. But it missed this opportunity. Instead, it merely perfected its techniques for robbing land and expelling people from their houses, and forced the Palestinians into isolated enclaves. And now, during these dark days, Israel is proving that 1948 never ended

Linda   January 15th, 2009 3:07 am ET

Yes, I know that about cancer. It is very strange.
But I have 3 auto immune diseases, that is why I am on chemo.
My immune system has turned against me, and is trying to kill me,
so we have to kill my cells with chemo, steroids, and an anti-malaria drug. Have you ever heard of Lupus, or sjogren's syndrome?

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 3:07 am ET


Linda   January 15th, 2009 3:08 am ET

Hi Solomon,
How are you today!

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:09 am ET

Is Amira Hass a Self Hating Jew?

Mario   January 15th, 2009 3:09 am ET

But Akiva I don't have to split unless I really split and have a haram,then everybody will be happy and nobody splits...LIKE OUR FATHER ABRAHAM.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 3:10 am ET

Linda cant you handle google ... go and search a chemo blog ;)

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:11 am ET

Yes. They tested my mom for it. In her older years, she was alergic to sunlight. As I age, I get more alergic. Gets scary to me. She tested negative. No answers. That really doesn't surprise me. I don't have answers either.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 3:12 am ET

Or is she a Hamas operative?....

Wow Haaritz hires Hamas operatives?

Israel is the cancer that needs to be surgically removed....

Its the occupation stupid....

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 3:13 am ET


is your father abraham?
greatings to abraham your father ;)

Solomon   January 15th, 2009 3:13 am ET

Linda. fine thank you.

be Back.

Linda   January 15th, 2009 3:15 am ET

Yes, the sunlight thing is really a problem.
Luckily, with my skin tone, it is not as bad as some.
AI's are really crazy, and once you develop more that one,
it is easier to develop more. We are doing some genetic testing
now. I hope it will tell us something, then maybe some gene therapy.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 3:18 am ET

linda with such problems you better visit a doctor then a cnn blog

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:20 am ET

This isn't the place, I know, but Linda – when I was 40 found out from a rich uncle who did some kind of big fam search thing that my great grandfather had married a native american woman, the daughter of a Cherokee Med Man whose daughter was to be a Med woman. She died in childbirth. My great grandfather took my grandmother to a white village, remarried, and passed her off. She always looked Native American to all of us. Now I look European, but my hubby has griped from day one that I wiggle my toes in my sleep. I hear drums sometimes. And dreams are odd. I play a little piano but no drums. I did it as a baby. So does one of my babies. He's 22 now. Odd. Do you hear drums? That's my question. Is it hereditary? I took Native American Lit long ago and got it. Had to explain it actually to the Professor. Always wondered why. Well, some things are just strange. Sorry for wandering off the topic.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 3:22 am ET

exchange your email and go to a common chat ;)

Mario   January 15th, 2009 3:27 am ET

Old practicing people of the scriptures and practicing Muslems are so much a like that they are sometimes like a ball between two places and intermarry. It is the Zionist among the Jewdaism and the Hypocrites among the Muslims that does not like this unification.Zionists whom hate to be practicing and be observer Jews and Hypocrites Muslims whom hate to practice true religion of peace "Islam."

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:27 am ET

lolol Akiva no poem? Our conversation is much more useful than many I keep reading over and over here. But I agree. I don't "chat" though. I'm an open person. Sorry. Let's get back on topic.

Linda   January 15th, 2009 3:28 am ET

I don't hear drums, but everyone is different.
I think there is something in that with you. Spirituality comes
in so many forms.
And by the way, there is a Native American GENE. it is exclusive
to Native Americans. And genes shuffle in so many random ways.
I have 2 brothers. my oldest brother has very light skin and blonde/red
hair, my other brother looks like he came right off of the reservation
(like my dad), and I have the dark hair (when I don't color it) and the Native features, but lighter skin. although, I can be ultra tan in a week.
i think genes can shuffle that way with what you are talking about too.
Oh, and my oldest brother does not have the gene, but my other brother and I do. Weird huh?
I would be proud to hear drums

Linda   January 15th, 2009 3:30 am ET

I think Peace is the only way.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 3:30 am ET

israel is actualy the zionist under the jews :(

Linda   January 15th, 2009 3:31 am ET

bye the way, Gleigh,
the drums could be what we call "inprints"

Linda   January 15th, 2009 3:32 am ET


GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:33 am ET

I look light snow white. Never burn though. I bought sun screen when I had a baby and my hubby told me to. I didn't really know what it was for. He burns easily.

Linda   January 15th, 2009 3:35 am ET

Have you ever listened to a group called enigma?
I think you would enjoy them.
Especially the song "return to innocence"

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 3:36 am ET

gene or not gene
in gaza there are actualy people which are suffering a lot!
theys skin is burned by phosphours
they have nothing to eat and no water
israel is occupieing them and hurt them a lot
they say its becuse they wanna shrink the hamas
but the hamas only get more power
and hizbola is joining them
and al-quaeeda allready calls for jihad

so its really time to stop this genocide by israel at gaza!

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:37 am ET

Thanks Linda. If it felt safer, I'd give you my email. I won't here though. You shouldn't either. But info is nice. Time to get back to the reason for this blog.

Linda   January 15th, 2009 3:40 am ET


Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 3:41 am ET


GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:41 am ET

I am "The Questioner." I argued. People have always commented that I'm easy going and accepting. I asked why I was "The Questioner." That is a private joke. Linda might get it.

Linda   January 15th, 2009 3:43 am ET

Got it! :)

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 3:45 am ET

what acrualy happens in gaza is terrible...
there is no reason anymore to continue this genocide!
all goals by israel faild!
around the worl all eople begin to hate israel
nore sad they also begin to hate all jews and not only the zionists
and the terror in israel will not end in this way .. by a genocide
they only gain more ememies and they give them only more power
all goals totaly faild!

israel better would stop now!
and they better try to accept that this was the woerst fault since 1945

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 3:47 am ET

why you both cant be private in private?

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:47 am ET

We're interrupting the guys war thing. Sorry.

Linda   January 15th, 2009 3:49 am ET

I think they stopped waring, Gleigh.
Where do you live anyway? Lynne is about 30 miles from me

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 3:49 am ET

no your interrupting the disscusion ...
if you wanna interrupt ... go and interrupt the genocide in gaza!

Mario   January 15th, 2009 3:51 am ET

You are absolutely right on the target AKIVA the pretending Jew wanabes who never practice a bit of Jewdaism and Torah's teachings and what Moses God bless him preached to them hide under the pretense of being Jews and the Jewish state which is a racket to recieve money from United States. AT THE COST OF15 MILLIONS PER DAY FROM UNITED STATES TO THIS RACKET CALLED ZIONIST STATES TO FIGHT THE AMERICA'S PROXY WARS AGAINST MUSLIM STATES.

Debs   January 15th, 2009 3:51 am ET

Hi Solomon, Linda and everyone!

Been trying to carry on usual talking on blog but so crowded that I miss everyones comments.

Are you gus still there or are you gone for the evening??

Linda   January 15th, 2009 3:53 am ET

Hi Debs,
I'm still here :)

Linda   January 15th, 2009 3:55 am ET

The Questioner, have you ever heard of that band? ;)

I.B. Wright   January 15th, 2009 3:56 am ET

Hey BRANDEN you ignorant little PISSANT where' d you go? Time to go and service your butt buddies with a little jewice? My real name is Yasser Arrafat you F'n moron-does that help? I didn't want to use my real name because I heard you and your butties were on the prowl. Now I can't turn my back on you, you fag.

Everyone else- Sorry, about this, I promised myself I wouldn't get into P'g contest some mental midget with a third grade vocabulary but ..

Mario   January 15th, 2009 3:59 am ET

Hala hala delam dagh dareh ,Laleh laleh delam dagh dareh...Akiva you are it and I knew it and you have me...all yours.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 3:59 am ET

Linda a last question. I promise. Can't help it. Do you ever go back? Just to visit? I have several times. Not that hard after awhile. Odd though. I live in the south. I'm not a big visit kind of person. I like walking and thinking. Trying to get into it, but fall asleep sometimes at luncheons. Did three times the last one. Very embarrassing. They were talking about lamps.

Debs   January 15th, 2009 4:03 am ET

Hello there!

Wow, I can actaully partiipate again. Trying to jugle Uni and two jobs is a nightmare! Never mind It will be worth it when I get my degree :)

This whole situation in Gaza has turned into a full blown humanitarian crisis. With most of the Palestinian victims children that is something which must be acknowledged by both Hamas and Israel.

We have seen that Israel is launching airstriks against Gaza knowing full well it is to compact, why then would they bomb knowing the civilians they would kill?

Hamas has also continued the used of human shields.

Both sides are breaking international laws. The Gazans are beeing held hostage by both sides. Innocents caught in the middle.

Believe me when I say that it is the surving kids that will siffer. I saw it with my Iraqi refugee kids I care for. These kids will forever be scarred. They are the real victims in this.

Salam and Shalom..

Soloman, are you still there too?

Linda   January 15th, 2009 4:04 am ET

just a minute, I'll be right back. :)

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 4:05 am ET

the Band? No. It's a band? What kind? Ooops another question. Sorry. Can't help myself. And to think I was disbelieving and argued. Forget I asked. I'll google it later.

Linda   January 15th, 2009 4:09 am ET

Yea, it's a band,
I really think you will enjoy their music! Return to innocence especially!
They play a lot of Native American music, monk sounding music, and other. they are really good :)

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 4:13 am ET

linda is there any hope that you will get the topic of this blog?

Linda   January 15th, 2009 4:13 am ET

I haven't been back for a very long time. It is a big ta do when you go. It was cool to be there, see things, but I don't get up there anymore. My immediate family doesn't live there anymore, so I just stay here in Texas.

Mario   January 15th, 2009 4:15 am ET

Wow Akiva YOU ARE AWESOME and george w bush is an international criminal who stold from America and the Americans and made all his base-line elits rich at the expense of the middle class Americans.HE HAS ROUINED AMERICAN ECONOMY A KICKASS ECONOMY OF 10 TRILLIONS WITH ITS SURPLUS OF 8 YEARS HAVE TURNED INTO 10 TRILLION DEFICIT. Nothing left and he still is giving away money away to his friends and his masters...AND SENDING ARMS TO ISRAEL.

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 4:18 am ET

Got it.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 4:18 am ET

linda i allways thoght its your lowlevelpsycho try to keep people offtopic
but i really begin to hink that you dont know it better
maybe you just write and you never did read the topic of this blog
why you dont open a new fake email and give it to GLight ...
then you can discuseabou music and health with her as long as you like
and you will not dissturb the disscusion here anymore
so all will be in peace again
maybe not in gaza ... but i hope here ;)

Linda   January 15th, 2009 4:19 am ET

are you still here?

Debs   January 15th, 2009 4:19 am ET


Yes this invasion should never have happened. Its a tragic waste of human life.

However Hamas must accept its share of blame for deaths of Palestinians civilians.

Hamas dont care for them. They are using some people as human shields.

What we are witnessing is a human tragedy. I can truly say the war is ugly. There are no victors. only lost lives of those who where a loved one to a family.

There must be a resolution that will help bring peace and help build a Palestine that reflects the true identity of the Palestinians. A culture so vibrant and proud.

Nona   January 15th, 2009 4:19 am ET

Hello Linda, GLeigh and all lovers of peace!

Debs   January 15th, 2009 4:21 am ET

Yes Linda still here.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 4:21 am ET

bush was the woerst ememy not only to this world...
also to all americans!
bin laden at the side of bush looks like a pitty joke!!!
bush was the woerst terrorist to all americans!

Debs   January 15th, 2009 4:22 am ET

Hello Nona

Linda   January 15th, 2009 4:23 am ET

Hey nona!

Nona   January 15th, 2009 4:23 am ET

Hi Debs!

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 4:24 am ET

Hey Nona! My computer is lagging. Sadly. I feel like I'm not into this tonight. Thanks Linda. Good night all.

Linda   January 15th, 2009 4:25 am ET

I thought I had it.

Linda   January 15th, 2009 4:26 am ET

Where are you going, Gleigh?

Debs   January 15th, 2009 4:28 am ET


I posted a few days ago that Bush was one of the worst war criminals, like Hussein and Amin.

He was a failure to the United States and lied to the world and dragged many countries including mine into the Iraq war. If Bush meet one of my Iragi kids I cared for he would not be able to look at that child and say "the war was to liberate and better your country". No way. Not when these kids have had their homes destroyed or family members killed.

Mario   January 15th, 2009 4:31 am ET

ISRAEL HAS NO RESPECT FOR THE INTERNATIONAL HUMANITARIAN LAWS or the united Nations rules unless it applies to Israel.




Nona   January 15th, 2009 4:32 am ET

gnite gleigh. my computer is snoozy too.

Nona   January 15th, 2009 4:32 am ET

Linda, I am happy to see you! I hope you are feeling well. I'm sorry to see you being so abused here tonight.

Linda   January 15th, 2009 4:33 am ET

Me being abusive?

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 4:34 am ET


i think without the occupation of gaza the hamas would be today a powerles organisation of crap
but throuth the occupation and the illegal embargo at gaza by israel
they did gain theyr power!
and it was not enouth to israel
now comes the power of all streets around the world
the power of all terror groups against israle
this all was a fault and people have to suffer for life because of that
if israel is so great to the palestinians...
how was it possible that hamas got such a power?
israel must stop the ocupation the embargo and this genocide
maybe there will not come peace imeadiatly
there is so much damage done
so much people got hurt!
they maybe will never be friends of israel
but still they have a right to life!!!!
and israel must also accept this
if israel will accept this the hamas will loose theyr power soon
but now what did happen?
much more and much more woerse enemies ate pointing at israel:(

the leadership of israel should go it self to the international court of justice
hamas or not guilty or not
they did so much dammage to gaza!
but not only ... also to israel it self
they should go to face justice
to bring back a little peace of face to israel!
for the own people !

they should accept interntional law!
and human rights!

Linda   January 15th, 2009 4:34 am ET

Sorry Nona,
I read it wrong :) I'm tired

Debs   January 15th, 2009 4:35 am ET


All do respect. Israel and Palestines conflict isnt so black and white......

Nona   January 15th, 2009 4:35 am ET

LOL! No no no, Linda. You are not abusive! I'm glad you re-read what I wrote! LOL!

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 4:36 am ET

good night GLight
pray for peace !
please :)

Linda   January 15th, 2009 4:37 am ET

I have tired eye after all of that. It has been quite an eye opener. I just wanted to stay on long enough tonight to see everyone, because I don't know what my plans will be after today.

Debs   January 15th, 2009 4:38 am ET


Yes I agree. I know that Palestininas have suffered and are under an occupation.

I do h

Debs   January 15th, 2009 4:39 am ET

Sorry Akiva, PC probs

Debs   January 15th, 2009 4:40 am ET


Gnite. Will you be joining us again soon?

Linda   January 15th, 2009 4:41 am ET

Good night Debs, we will see! Love to all of you wonderful people!

Nona   January 15th, 2009 4:42 am ET

Linda, what do you mean – you don't know what your plans will be after today?

Nick-Kanata   January 15th, 2009 4:44 am ET

Fighting in self defence was sanctioned by th Qu'ran (22: 39). The Qu'ran began referring increasingly to the qital (fighting or warfare) as one form of Jihad. Two of the last verses on this topiic (9:5, 29) suggest a war of conquest or conversion against all unbelievers. No war is Jihad unless authorized or led by the imam (leader of the Islamic state). Enemies are to be given fair warning, and, if they choose not to exept Islam, or to fight they are to be offered protected (dhimmi) status, which allowed them to retain communal autonomy within the Islamic state in return for tax payments. This provision initially applied to Christians and Jews but later was broadened to include other religious communities living under Muslim rule. Non combatants are not to be killed, nor is any enemy property to be destroyed unnecessarily. Wow, how nice of them. If thats what you call Muslims being able to co-exist with eachother, and feel those taxes are no different than the ones having to be paid in the west, and therefore does not contradict with freedom and democracy, your twacked!

Linda   January 15th, 2009 4:44 am ET

I don't know if I will come back here. I don't think it is becoming a positive
part of my life. Such hatred and vile comments are just not what I like to
surround myself with. I like to find good in everyone, but in this case, it is
really hard to.

Nona   January 15th, 2009 4:44 am ET


Nona   January 15th, 2009 4:46 am ET

I understand, Linda. YOu need to concentrate on getting healthy. But your insight, wisdom and loving personality are really valued here. I hope you know that. I understand if you have to leave but I hope you understand that you will be sorely missed.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 4:47 am ET

... hmm... i dont know how i can explain what i feel
.. i also dont know if i have the right ...
... but i really wanna thank you if you help this children
tramatisized by war ... be horrible cruelity...
i realy thank you ... it dont mater where..
in gaza .. iraq ... africa
i hope you help them and i think also if you cant help the
.. only that you try to help .. will bring you to paradise

and ... i guess your a woman ...
so i hope for you that you will meet 100 boys of your dreams in this paradise ;)
or what ever you like !!!

also about this situation in gaza..
i alleady know much people wo are willing to go to there and help
help to all this injured people
... suffering because theyr wounds ...but also theyd damaged minds :(

its so woerse and so endlessssss sad!!!!!!!!

Debs   January 15th, 2009 4:47 am ET


I do know Palestinians have suffered. No doubt about that.

However Israel and Palestines conflict can be solved if both sides are willing to accept each other. Israel must also return land to tha Palestinians to enable a decent state to built in their tradditional homelands.

I do believe that once that happens a peace can prevail. I so much want to see a peaceful co existance between the two countries. It can happen with some humanity that could be shown.

The current assault on Gaza must stop. For the sake of civilians lives. also Hamas MUST halt its firing rockets on southern Israel.

Linda   January 15th, 2009 4:48 am ET

thank you so much, Nona.
I appreciate that so much, and all of your kinds words.
I will probably pop in from time to time to see if I can find all
of you.
I just can not see how so many people can be so full of hate.
Spewing such horrible things, last night I was upset over something else,
now today, this has happened. So, I don't know, but I hope to see you
again and I feel good to call you my friend!

Nona   January 15th, 2009 4:49 am ET

Akiva, I hope you're proud of yourself. You've had a good day.

Debs   January 15th, 2009 4:50 am ET


All the best, I dont know what is wrong, but I hope you get healthy. All of your comments are valued.

Linda   January 15th, 2009 4:52 am ET

thanks Deb!
You have been very kind too.
Please tell GLeigh, I couldn't bring myself to say anything to her.
She has been so wonderful, and we have had so many laughs.
Tell her to look up that band, and that song I was talking about.
Take care guys!
SOOOOOOOOOO Longgggggggg
:) ;)

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 4:52 am ET

you too... have a good time ;)

Nona   January 15th, 2009 4:53 am ET

I feel good to call you my friend too, Linda. The world needs people like you. So does this issue. You've brought a lot of enlightment and compassion to this whole situation. I'm so sorry that you've been so abused by seekers of hate in your quest for better understanding and peace in the world.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 4:55 am ET

you too linda ... take care ... i hope for you too
i whish you all the health you need

just as i do for the people in gaza ;)

Nona   January 15th, 2009 4:56 am ET

I'll be sure to tell GLeigh, Linda.

Debs   January 15th, 2009 4:58 am ET

Linda, Nona and Akiva,

The way forward in this world is to accept each other and respect each other.

Peace sometimes seems so elusive but if we all truly have it in our hearts we can build this world into something that the future generations will be able to live in peace.

Many thanks. I have worked with so many traumatised kids from Iraq that it truly upsets me. To see these kids robbed of a childhood that we took for granted when we were kids it truly heartbreaking.

Nick-Kanata   January 15th, 2009 5:01 am ET

make sure you come back!

Nona   January 15th, 2009 5:02 am ET

Yeah Debs, I agree, but when you ruthlessly torment a critically woman on chemo who's here seeking peace and intellectual discussion to the point where she doesn't wanna go back, it becomes rather clear how some people get their sick jollies. And I find that online behavior often translates into real life behavior. If people behave that despicably on line, then they probably behave just as abominably in real life.

Debs   January 15th, 2009 5:08 am ET

Oh No. I did not realise Linda was that ill. I miss so many comments that sometimes I miss alot.


Salam Aleikum and may you get strong and healthy. A positive and strong attitude will help you get through this.

I was there with my mum when she was going through chemo for endometrial cancer. You keep going. Never EVER give up.

Love from all of us on this blog

Mario   January 15th, 2009 5:08 am ET

AKIVA AKIVA AKIVA...where are you AKIVA?
There was a time when west was still young;
And then there was Natives rumming around.
In this land which was later on;
In the hands of bunch of blood thirsty morons.
They killed and took till later on;
There was no more Natives around.
Then they started on their shedding bloods of their owns;
By using the slaves as their animal minions.
They shed bloods of all kinds and even went to war with the Mexicans;
Saying that Mexicans are sheding the blood of americans.
Then came man from middle town, who was honest, handsome and tall whom they thought was not like one of their own.
He introduced a piece of legal acion which was called the Spot Resulotion to the nation.
Asking congress and the Americans show the blood spots of americans that are shed by Mexicans inside our own.
In reality it was americans inside Mexicans very own ;
Shedding their blood like there was no down.
He saved the Nation and the Americans from shedding the bloods of their own;
Not to mention that he saved the lives of the slaves along side of the Union.
HIS NAME WAS ABRAHAM JUST LIKE OUR FATHER ABRAHAM who gave two nations to his children.
Honest Abe saved the Union,today is called a global cooperation under controll of cult of zions serving their masters the elders of Zion.
Whose goals are to take over the globe by using the blood of the children of the same father Abraham...but why the children one from Issic and one from Ishmail;
How long this madness and blood sheds must go on;
Untill there are none left from your childrens?

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 5:10 am ET

i hope CNN will show the world what really is going on in this world!
i hope that they dont get abused by people as bush to seed terror!
i hope they will show to all people what is going on in gaza
CNN as a free press must go to gaza and show us
and the world what happens there
people must call theyr leaders at the UN and bring them to act now!
CNN must do theyr best to stop every war!
CNN should not seed terror ...
they also must show us that there can be friends
friends in gaza in israel in africa an everywhere
also in iran and china
if we are friendly to them ... maybe they will be friendly to us
we all are humans!!!
maybe we are not al christ or jew or muslim
but we all are humans and we have to care about each other!
israle must let us cae about the peole in gaza
israel cant deny this human right...
oure human right to care abou people
if israel deny this right ... how can we help them is they are in need?
so israel must let the international media at gaza
as they must respect human aid!
CNN must bring people together and not seperate them
CNN must show us that we have friends
also under the muslims and others
not as they did under bush ...
propaganda of fear all the time :(
this musst change and maybe we will gain more friends
maybe we will gain oure enemies as oure friends
CNN should support friendship
... and they should bring us allways the truth !
not political motivated ... but truthly motivated

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 5:21 am ET

if we all keep a bit on topic and respect the topic we will be all in peace here!
if people wanna discuss all the time other topics then the topic of this blog
internet is a endless space and there is for most topics some good place
here we tal abit more about gaza then chemo and so on...

so let us please stay at topic ,,,,, ,, ,,,
,,,, ,,,
or ,,,
,,, ,,, ,,

Debs   January 15th, 2009 5:22 am ET


I just cannot comprehend those comments. I wish I would have noticed and would have given them a piece of my mind.

My mum was in a wheelchair for months as her chemo left her with no energy or puff to even stand nevermind walk.

People fighting cancer must be given a positive outlook. It one of the keys to beating that disease.

Some peoples vicioucness is beneath comtempt. They better watch, someday it could be them.

Those of you know who you are. Be ashamed of yourselves!!

Debs   January 15th, 2009 5:25 am ET


Yes I agree but have a wee bit of humanity for linda. People suffering from this disease often need someone to chat with even if it is on a news blog......when you get chatting with people sometimes it takes your mind of it. It really is a terrifying time for sufferers. If linda wanted to chat, let her.

Respect :)

Nona   January 15th, 2009 5:29 am ET

Read through the last couple of hours of this thread, Debs, including the comments from "Death Frog," which is a second name Linda made for herself with her warm terrific humor in response to the names she was being called. It's all right there. If ya go back to threads from last night, you'll see more.

That's the kind of putrid vile dispacable noxious tactic some people use - not coincidentally, the same people who think it's perfectly fine to use children as human shields, and to hide explosives in mosques in schools, and to teach your children that the best thing they can do for mankind is to strap on a suicide belt and blow themselves up and take as many innocent people as possible with them.

People who object to those notions were not the ones tormenting a wheelchair-bound woman on chemo with verbal sewerage. Surprise surprise.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 5:32 am ET


there was allways a war between people ... soe where ... all the time :(
i think there will come a lot more of war :(
look at oure earth.. look at the population
if everything will go on as it is going
there will be not enough space to all pople soon !

but also i have a idea ... a bit a zionist idea ,, a imperial idea :D
let us people all come together!!!!
let all people work together and share knowedge!
ler us do a biiiig rocket and go to space!
we did discover the world... now the world is over populated
now its time to discover the space !!!!
maybe w will find new planets ... new lifeforms
what ever
i think we should stop now ...
we all should stop now to waste oue time in wars
... we should come together and ...
we should share all oure power to go forward
all this atomic stuff around the world
all this rockrts by hamas and israel
and others
we should put them together and go to space !

i hope this dream will soon come true !

Debs   January 15th, 2009 5:37 am ET


Ok, not to change topic but I did notice some of your comments to Linda.. Really they were very cruel. I sincerelt hope that you will never be in Lindas shoes or mine with my Mum.

After reading your comments to me I was really disappointed.

Debs   January 15th, 2009 5:39 am ET

Ok Nona, Avika and all

I'll say G'dnight for now. Hope to chat tomorrow.

Please lets respect each others opinions and not be personal, especially if we know someone is going through a difficult time.

I.B. Wright   January 15th, 2009 5:40 am ET

Nona- I am sorry to hear about Linda's illness and wish her all the best but I can't understand why you find it necessary to use her illness as an opportunity to add fuel to the fire? You say" If this were a real room they would have dumped her out of her wheelchair and kicked her stomach until her guts spilled out". Notwithstanding the ugly picture you have painted, I disagree with you; if this were a real room, I'm willing to bet everyone would be a lot more respectful and tolerant of each other.

Nona   January 15th, 2009 5:48 am ET

Never stop apologizing for the unconscionable behavior of terrorists and blaming other people for it, IB. You do it so well.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 5:51 am ET

over the last blogs linda turned allways my words as she wantet them!
there were lot of people seding hate
she did follow them much times!
she got may people offtopic in this blog and in laster blogs
maybe it was false i told that
maybe she self did not see what happened here
so much haters ... and people who disturb the disscusion
if she wanna talk about gaza she is wellcome!
but its not about chemo here
it this maybe is onnce about chemo a bit offtopic its ok
but not all the time!!
if she needs some contact i suggest realy and friendly to her to go in chatrooms
or forums ... maybe yahoo chat will be a good choide with public room

if i duscuss in real live about a topic and someone is allways going offtopic
here in a mixture with haters its much nore woerse
but if she would do this in real live ... i would say her to shut up
but to suggest that i would kick her out of her weel chair is also very false!!!
i can speak i have a mouth !
i dont need to hurt her!
and she dont ned to disturb a discusion about gaza!
there are many other forums and chats
if she dont like to discuss about gaza ... why sh comes to here?
but if she really one time in future is willing to accept the topic here
and is willing to speak about the situation in gaza
she is very wellcome
but cancer chemo and what ever dont belongs at the moment to gaza
and if she is mixing her self with haters .. she must not wonder is she will havarest what the others are seeding... and also look all these haters .. where ae they now?
still her friends?
all gone ... sadly .. they turned into fun
but now we can go on at the topic of gaza!

David Freeman   January 15th, 2009 5:55 am ET

Dear Nona,

you sound like you’re full of crap.. a typical propaganda operative who uses every ounce of fiber in your body to help Israel.. LOL… you are trying too hard...are you American?? Or Israeli?

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 5:58 am ET

see you Debs ... was realy a nice meeting with you :)
i hope to see you more here in discusions belong to gaza
humanity and so on ...
have a nice time ... i which you the best :D

I.B. Wright   January 15th, 2009 6:01 am ET

No nona, I'm not apologizing for anything or anyone. I don't agree with personal attacks especially on someone who is ill but I think your comment was wrong also and it has nothing to do with terrorists on either side. You are wrong, that's all..

cubfan   January 15th, 2009 6:06 am ET

The end is near, with a third of the Hamas fighters killed, wounded or captured and no reinforcements in sight, it looks as if the remaining fighters have lost the will to fight on. The death toll in Gaza today tells the story, ONLY 5! I do not blame them from going into hiding and giving up, with the Hamas leadership not willing to leave their comfy surroundings in Damascus. I predict tomorrow the death toll will be zero as the Hamas fighters save themselves from the clutches of the grim reaper.

Cheers to Israel for finally standing up to terrorism and their European enablers. At last the Palestinians
will be freed from the shackles of slavery cast down from Tehran and their bastard approach to Islam.

God marches with the IDF into battle and Hamas is beginning to see the light

U R The Creator   January 15th, 2009 6:06 am ET

How often do those who denied people their rights to Self Government or their Basic Human Rights, are the creator of one man's Freedom Fighter, to them a Terrorist. When in fact they are the TERRORIST.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 6:08 am ET

David Freeman
i had some good discussions with Nona
but sadly i thoght the same :D
she was so hard trying to seed hate again
she abused linda and this weehlchair story a bit to seed hate again
but ... let us see what she will bring up to the gaza topic
maybe there will come more :D

just as i always say ... hope will never die
and for sure we well keep oure eyes open ;)

Nona   January 15th, 2009 6:11 am ET

Well, IB, we can agree to disagree. This board lost a really valuable contributor tonight after she was subjected to an onslaught of personal attacks because she wouldn't swear allegiance to Hamas, and because of that, all forms of verbal hate-filled filth rained down upon her, a wheel-chair bound woman on chemo. That's not in dispute. Go back and read the thread.

You are certainly entitled to think I'm in the wrong. That's fine. But I do think your admonishments would be better directed at the people making ruthless personal attacks on a critically ill woman, despite her attempts to have a sense of humor about it and turn the conversations around to positive and meaningful dialogue.

Linda's leaving is a personal loss that hurts me immensely. If my response in the heat of the moment doesn't meet your standards of perfect behavior, try to understand and give me a break. I'm mad and sad about it. And that's the truth.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 6:11 am ET

i hope you will also see some light once in your live
but you sound as a lost in darknes :D

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 6:14 am ET

its a gaza blog not a self-pitty blog
turn on the gaza topic !

Bill   January 15th, 2009 6:15 am ET

David Freeman -

If you have nothing useful to say, why don'y you crawl back under your rock. You might find your Islamic terrorist buddies from Hamas under there.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 6:17 am ET

what was usefull of anything you told so long:D

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 6:18 am ET

bill your last comment was the most usefull ever ;)

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 6:19 am ET


the david clown gang :)

Bill   January 15th, 2009 6:19 am ET

Akiva Heifetz -

klimnuf dranig trocan dneberg coyle neclif.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 6:21 am ET

do you know ... with google you also can translate ;) :D

Bill   January 15th, 2009 6:22 am ET

Akiva Heifetz -

I don't think anybody can translate you gibberish into a real language.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 6:24 am ET

i dont think someone will care about your language :D

I.B. Wright   January 15th, 2009 6:24 am ET

Nona- I understand -no hard feelings?

David Freeman   January 15th, 2009 6:25 am ET

To All Americans,

The Israeli propaganda machine is becoming more dangerous for us Americans. The whole world is now hates us.. we used to be loved by many.. Our eyes closed believing the lies that they come up with to gain our public support.. it is time to wake up America..most Americans think Israelis our ally.. but in reality they our burden..

Nona   January 15th, 2009 6:27 am ET

Thanks, IB. No hard feelings on my side either.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 6:28 am ET

WoW ^^^^^

your not so wrong dave ;)

Nona   January 15th, 2009 6:28 am ET

Oh - and Hi Bill! Good to see you!

David Freeman   January 15th, 2009 6:38 am ET

***America Wake UP***

Most people that you see here that are manipulating the truth in this blog and many other blogs worldwide..
actually work for a pro Israeli Pressure group called C.A.M.E.R.A..
Israel has been manipulating the US for a very long controlling what we hear it is print media, TV internet.. you name it…

Did you know that Israel have many watch group organizations ..who are they watching??

Mostly they are watching our politicians and the American media.

The most notorious of them is called CAMERA: Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America.
They twist the truth in favor of Israel at any cost.. I mean ANY COST..They harass everybody that is critical of Israel and they force journalists to change their story and apologies as publicly

David Freeman   January 15th, 2009 6:57 am ET

I.B Wright,

You are absolutely right.. the is NO INTENTION at all from Israel to accept any peace agreement. Because they want to annex Palestinian territories.. there is a reason of why.. follow the logic
Palestinians are ghettoized
within 12 percent of the original
territory in the West Bank.
The West Bank is divided up
into 70 isolated cantons with no
physical movement without
Israeli permission.
There are over 500 military
check points where Palestinians
often wait hours, and must have
ID cards and passes just to travel
short distances. Israeli settlers
can travel easily.
“The permit system for the
Closed Zone is administered in
an arbitrary and humiliating
manner…This system, which
subjects Palestinian freedom of
movement to the whim of the
Occupying Power, creates
anger, anxiety and humiliation
among the population.“
The real reason Annexation of the Palestinian territories

M Ariely   January 15th, 2009 7:12 am ET


Youtube video: search" UKULELES FOR PEACE part 2

youtube video: search" Muslim Kindergarden Graduation ceremony

2: !!!!!CHILDREN!!!

980 Palestinian children get free cardiac surgery
828 Palestinian children with heart problems get free medical care in Israel " where else would an enemy who conducts a war of destruction and terror get such treatment

2 videos on youtube
type search:
Hamas – Human Shield Confession
Real Face of Hamas, the Murderer Of Palestinians

Bill   January 15th, 2009 7:54 am ET

U.R. Wrong -

There will be peace only when Islamic terrorists and their supporters like you stop worshipping death and destruction and teaching that to your children. As far as I'm concerned, Islam is nothing more than modern day satanism, You are evil. You do nothing but hate. You add no value to the human race. You are nothing but a bunch of hateful, ignorant beggars.

The world wants peace. Israel wants peace. The Palestinians are not capable of peace. They only understand conflict and violence. They shall have their fill.

Israel will accept peace, as long as it can be enforced. We all know how the Muslims like to lie to infidels. They have lied for so long that they can no longer even recognize the truth. They broke every ceasefire they ever agreed to – on an egregious scale. Everyone knows they can not be trusted. That's why they need to be watched constantly. When we can be sure that Hamas won't be able to rearm, we can stop chasing the courageous Islamic warriors out from underneath their women's skirts and underneath their children's beds. Until then, the Islamic terrorist cowards will have to keep dying. Remember, these cowards aren't afraid to die. LOL. And we aren't afraid to help them die. Then they can go to hell, meet their pedophile prophet, and get a 72 year old virgin.

David Freeman   January 15th, 2009 8:00 am ET

***Dear Mr. Propaganda OOPS... I meant M. Ariely ***

You are clearly trying to influence Americans that you care about Palestinians and that Palestinians just want to kill Israelis for no reason. I am crying in laughter of how deeply stupid you think the American public is LOL. You forgot to mention few things, but I will help you out and remind reader while you keep blogging your Israeli Propaganda to the American public.. LOL

Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian land according to the United Nation Res 242, also stealing their water demolishing their homes, and harassing the population on a daily basis, Holding 670,000 Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails without any charge.

The Facts are:
Palestinians are ghettoized
within 12 percent of the original
territory in the West Bank.
The West Bank is divided up
into 70 isolated cantons with no
physical movement without
Israeli permission.
There are over 500 military
check points where Palestinians
often wait hours, and must have
ID cards and passes just to travel
short distances. Israeli settlers
can travel easily.
“The permit system for the
Closed Zone is administered in
an arbitrary and humiliating
manner…This system, which
subjects Palestinian freedom of
movement to the whim of the
Occupying Power, creates
anger, anxiety and humiliation
among the population

Bill   January 15th, 2009 8:33 am ET

David Freeman – You have the nerve to call someone else's post propaganda. Now that IS funny. Your facts are a joke, and the joke's on you. 670,000 Palestinian prisoners in a little country like Israel? LOL. Not even the Muslim lies are THAT blatant. They're gonna send you back to jihadi school for that one. You get the next suicide belt.

OK, Osama, time to get another gig. You're not fooling anybody here.

The Jews have been on that land for THOUSANDS of years. Egypt lost Gaza when it attacked Israel and lost, like the Arabs always do when they attack Israel. The West Bank was lost by Jordan, the real Palestinian homeland, when they attacked Israel and lost, as usual. It is not Palestinian land. There was never a country called Palestine. Look at the map. Look at a globe. The Palestinians are just terrorist squatters on Israeli land that refuse to live in peace. They understand only violence and conflict. They are just ignorant, terrorist beggars. If they don't want to live in peace, they should be deported back to the Palestinian homeland of Jordan or even Egypt. The bigger problem is that nobody will take them. Their reputation as worthless, violent, beggars preceeds them. All other Arab countries have either expelled them or put them in camps to protect their own populations from them.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 9:19 am ET

Good day all,

Its the occupation stupid..... :)

Professor   January 15th, 2009 9:28 am ET

The cowards as usuall attacking a Hospital as we speak right now....

Brandon   January 15th, 2009 9:36 am ET

lets make peace

Professor   January 15th, 2009 9:42 am ET

Another UNRWA building just got attacked by the cowards Zionist Occupying Forces.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 9:50 am ET

The so called "superior" Army of Zionism is nothing but a fake.... they have the US superior technology but they do not have the brains to use it and they are not even brave to fight..... They are attacking from a distance and from the air and shooting aimlessly right and left.... hitting civilian homes..... hospitas..... worship places..... ambulances..... UNRWA shelters..... schools..... What a bunch of children and women criminals.

Professor   January 15th, 2009 9:52 am ET


blood is red   January 15th, 2009 10:14 am ET

Just to know the truth from the man who support the creation of ISRAEL

Washington DC, USA, Friday, July 11, 2003

Harry Truman’s Forgotten Diary 1947

Writings Offer Fresh Insight on the President

By Rebecca Dana and Peter Carlson
Washington Post Staff Writers

“THE JEWS, I find are very, very selfish,” President Harry S. Truman wrote in a 1947 diary that was recently discovered on the shelves of the Truman Library in Independence, Mo., and released by the National Archives yesterday.

Written sporadically during a turbulent year of Truman’s presidency, the diary contains about 5,500 words on topics ranging from the death of his mother to comic banter with a British aristocrat. But the most surprising comments were Truman’s remarks on Jews, written on July 21, 1947, after the president had a conversation with Henry Morganthau [sic. Morgenthau], his Jewish treasury secretary. Morganthau called to talk about a Jewish ship in Palestine — possibly the Exodus, the legendary ship carrying 4,500 Jewish refugees who were refused entry into Palestine by the British, then rulers of that land.
,” Truman wrote. “The Jews have no sense of proportion nor do they have any judgement (sic) on world affairs. Henry brought a thousand Jews to New York on a supposedly temporary basis and they stayed.”
Truman then went into a rant about Jews:

“The Jews, I find, are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog. Put an underdog on top and it makes no difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, Labor, Mormon, Baptist he goes haywire. I’ve found very, very few who remember their past condition when prosperity comes.”
Yesterday, those comments startled scholars because Truman is known as a president who acted to help Jews in postwar Europe and who supported recognition of Israel in 1948, when his State Department opposed it.

The Turk   January 15th, 2009 10:15 am ET

useless = UN
super slaves = US
baby killers = IDF

Akiva   January 15th, 2009 10:19 am ET


you soooo gooood

you soooo dirty

i love you professor loves you

you make me feel sooooo good

im yours please be mine

David Freeman   January 15th, 2009 10:26 am ET

***Mr. Bill Propaganda***

Of course you are a propaganda LOL and you know it.. tell us.. are you part of C.A.M.E.R.A?

Are you trying to insult our intelligence by rewriting history here on CNN blog? You are such a fool LOL .you and your employers are a joke.. Are you American? I doubt it..

You are a hijacker of the truth. You are manipulating our politicians, media..

You remind me if the Nazis ...that is how they described the Jews before they slaughtered them .. just like you did.. “they are just squatter, ignorant, beggars” in another word.. they are subhuman.

This is your argument. Which is racist, ignorant, dump and and full of hatred.. that tells me that you a pure Israeli Zionist propagandas.. this is a classic case of the abused become the abuser.

That is a common phenomena where the abused becomes the abuser using all tactics used by his abuser. If look at the Zionist and at the Nazis you will find, similar methods – used to achieve their goals:
-Propaganda- Nazis are notorious for it so are the Zionist
-Perceive their enemies as sub humans – so do the Zionist according to your explanation of Palestinians
-Manipulative.. Both Nazi and Zionist..great at that game
How dare you repeating the ugly past Mr. Bill Propaganda

The Turk   January 15th, 2009 10:32 am ET

the hospital has been shot and bombed moments ago..

Israel, you are disgusting..

Professor   January 15th, 2009 10:38 am ET

Do you think maybe they had something against Truman and they were blackmailing him?.... as we know this one of their characteristics...

The Turk   January 15th, 2009 10:41 am ET

Israel is legalizing the acts of suicide attacks, the rockets, even 9-11 doing these horrible, inhuman acts of war against civilians.

now we clearly understand that Israel and its supporters deserved it..

we wonder, how will you defend your crimes?

Within one hour, Israel hit UN building and a Hospital with more that 500 wounded .

Professor   January 15th, 2009 10:41 am ET

Long Live Palestine.... Down with the occupation.... Death to the occupiers...

Zionism = Nazism

Its the occupation stupid...

Professor   January 15th, 2009 10:43 am ET

The Turk,

and a mosque.

Rana   January 15th, 2009 10:44 am ET

You think a kid would ever dream that one day when he grows up, he wants to become a suicide bomber?
I mean why would he?
Scared, frightened, and bleeding he walked on the streets. His house burning behind him he walked. On the same streets he once played with his friends, he walked. Watching people fleeing, houses burning, dead people everywhere. A friend dead and bleeding with flies devouring his face. Amidst burning flesh, he walked. Few minutes ago, his 12 year old sister was shot, not once, 12 times until she was dead. 12 times she was killed in front of him. He couldn’t weep her death as he was expecting to be next. He got the bullet that was meant for him. Painful yet he felt no pain. Lucky to be alive, or was he? Who can bare life when it comes saturated with painful memories? Memories that should never even occur in a child’s worst nightmare.
This is nothing compared to the crimes that are happening in Gaza every second of the day.
This child is 5 years old. Do you think he will grow up to be a pianist?
So far 971 Palestinians were killed – 300 of them children.
On the other hand 13 Israelis have died during the same time period, 10 of them soldiers.
Who is the terrorist?

The Turk   January 15th, 2009 10:47 am ET

pro-Israeli idiots...

stand up and defend your crimes against humanity.. right now..
what are your lies?

you are disgusting..

David Freeman   January 15th, 2009 10:47 am ET

Mr. Bill Propaganda

You stetted “The Jews have been on that land for THOUSANDS of years” you are either a fool or 12 your old kid who is ignorant of logic. So are you asking the world to redraw our maps and revert to the world THOUSANDS of years back?? Are people now to lay claim on lands that was for their ancestors thousands of years back?? Is this a joke? LOL ..
you are more stupid than I thought.. so are you going to provide the billions of dollars for relocating millions of people around the world? Ha-ha.. is this the best the Zionist can do.. Come on give something more challenging Mr. Bill Propaganda

Professor   January 15th, 2009 10:49 am ET

You are digrace to humanity.....

I really don't think you can be considered among human beings....

Frued gotta be right about your race.... Sons of monekys.

The Turk   January 15th, 2009 10:58 am ET

what was she ( Livni ) saying? "Israel is peace seeker"

what a devilish way of peace you have...

you raped the peace hope..

Hunk   January 15th, 2009 11:14 am ET

Al Quds Hospital with 500 people hit by the IDF,
UN relief agency headquarter is hit
the store for wheat is hit.

Can you not see a criminal acts here

David Freeman   January 15th, 2009 11:16 am ET

Mr. Bill Propaganda

Judaism is a religion and NOT statehood. If your premise is true all Christian can lay claim on Jerusalem and make it their country /city since this was the place where Jesus lived. LOL..

Bill with all due respect.. you are one of the least intelligent people I have ever encountered…

I mean you are smart, but an idiot ..sorry I can’t explain it.. were you abused when you were a child? That could be it..

By the way who gave you the right to speak on behalf of the Jews??

harvey   January 15th, 2009 11:24 am ET

Just stop firing rockets at us and it will all stop.

Simple, stop firing at us and we will stop firing at you. Its not that difficult to understand is it?

Typical, you hide your weapons inside mosques, hospitals, deep in civillian buildings....

Shoot at us for 8 years.

Then you scream when you reap what you sow.

Hamas is responsible for the casualties to its women and children, for the destruction of Gaza.

Hamas has led the very people who it shouuld be looking after to the edge of destruction.

And all you big, brave guys, tapping away at your computer key boards rejoicing when those missiles hit Israel, your hypocrisy is breathtaking.

on the one handyou scream FIGHT TO THE DEATH on the other you shout FOUL, STOP, HUMAN RIGHTS.

All very tragic.


David Freeman   January 15th, 2009 11:33 am ET

Mr. Harvey, Clueless

It seems that you are so clueless and wet behind the ears..
Harvey, I just like to know.. are you really stupid or your just acting like you are stupid?
Hervey, probably still believe the world is flat.. I feel sorry for you

harvey   January 15th, 2009 11:39 am ET

Mr David Freeman,

I live here as opposed to pontificating in another I reckon I'm pretty clued up!

"Stop firing the rockets, stupid". Thats all it takes to stop. Or is that little equation too much for you and your bloodthirsty ilk to understand.

I guess if you are a disciple of hate and destruction maybe it is.

Mind you, you probably believe that the Arabs are showing great unity...


CS   January 15th, 2009 11:47 am ET

I was reading about how the Palestinian people are/were treated by Israel. Now I already knew that Israel set the blockades to keep food, water, and medical sullpies from getting to the civilians of Gaza during, and before the cease fire. I already knew that Israel cut Gaza's electricity on a daily basis, sometimes in excess of 12 hrs. I already knew that the Palestinian civilians had no clean water, because the pumps are run by electricity, and they were unable to get chlorine to add to what little water they had. I already knew about the 1st cease fire breach by Israel, monments after it was signed, in which 3 Hamas members were killed. I already knew about the 2nd cease fire breach, when in November of 08' Israel launched an incursion into Gaza, thereby killing 7 more Hamas. And I already knew how biased the media, and U.N. are in the favor of Israel. I mean if an Islamic state were to bomb another sovereign nation (like Israel did to Iraq and Syria) this would be an act of extremist agression, and hell would be to pay. But when Israel or the U.S. does it, it's not terror.

What I did not know (until yesterday) was the way Palestinian women are treated at Airports. One woman (and I'm sure many others) was trying to board a flight from West Bank. Israeli security forces stripped her. She had her monthly period. They forced her to remove her sanitary napkin, and cavity searched her. Then, when they were done, they gave her only her clothes back. She had spare sanitary napkins in her bag, but they returned everything but those. She had to board the plane with the blood flowing onto herself and her clothes.

I hate this situation, because I feel that Palestine is for Palestinians, and they were forced off their land and opressed ever since. However, things are what they are, and we can't go back now, and Israel does have a right to exist, it's just a question of where. Perhaps East Germany would be more suitable, considering that's the country that perpetrated the holocaust. But a reasonable resolution must be made between Palestine and Israel nonetheless.

I've been using the word opressed with respect to the treatment of Palestine by Israel. I can add another. Humiliation. I don't believe that they do not have the technology to scan a person without humiliating them like that. Even if she had to be stripped, why the whole thing with the sanitary napkins. It's clear that all of the facts that I mentioned, especially the airport incident, are ways to make the Palestinians sooo uncomfortable, that they go live somewhere else.

I don't condone ramdom acts of violence or crazy behavior. I also don't condone suicide bombings and such. But when you have antequated missiles from wwII, and AK-47's (no tanks, no jets, no heavy artillary) and a country is treating you with such utter direspect....
I guess what I'm saying, is that It's easy for us to judge Hamas, and Palsetinian civilians for voting for them. It's easy for me to say that I don't condone this or that. Especially when I am not in the position as these poor, opressed, humiliated people.

But they have my respect nonetheless. THEY WILL NOT QUIT.
I just pray for a binding, just, resolution to this thing.

harvey   January 15th, 2009 11:56 am ET

Ahhh CS,

The thing I like about you is that you state your views and you are true and consistent to your principles.

Diametrically opposed to my own, I hasten to add...but I think we have much in common. Like you I believe that we have to deal with the here and now. Like you I believe that we the Israeli public have to take a long hard look at ourselves and what we have done wrong to our neighbours. But our neighbours and hopefully peace partners have to do the same. Both sides must move away from the ideology of blame and hatred.


We are here and we ain't going anywhere or quitting either..

So I guess till they decide to stop bombing us I am still going to have to send my boys to the army.


CS   January 15th, 2009 12:44 pm ET

Hello Harvey. I think that if all sides were as level headed as we (at times :) ) we would be in better shape. But regardless of what we think we would do if in charge, here we are. I agree that both sides must agree to meet in the middle. In fact ALL sides need to meet in the middle for two reasons. 1. The world's too small for this not to effect us all. And 2. There are many financial and military backers of Israel, and so the same should be for the smaller nations as well.

To respond to what you said about "blame and hatred." I agree that this will get us nowhere. But, if Israel will not even admitt that it has done...not so nice things, and in the name of peace will alter it's ways and treatment of the Palestinians, how can you expect anything but animosity toward you.

Think of this: If someone in the street offends you. Be it on accident or whatsoever...if they continue on their way without adressing that they made you spill your coffee on your new shirt, or better yet, before continuing to walk, they glare back at you like you should'nt even be in the way, would you not take offense to this.

Now on the other hand; if the same happens, but the guy say "oh man, sorry about that." Or even buys you a new coffee. Would you not be less quick to anger, and more apt to make light of the matter?
That's the way I live. If in a crowded place, and I bump someone which leads to the spilling of their drink, I casually appologize, and offer to buy em' another. Weather they're bigger or smaller, darker or matter what the case. I try to live this way because that's the way I want to be treated. I've got nothing to prove. And yes, sometimes I get the same, and sometimes there needs to be a different aproach, as some people are jerks. But do you get my meaning?

GLeigh   January 15th, 2009 2:04 pm ET

Hey CS. Finally CNN opened a new blog. It's easier in the shorter ones to discuss. Harvey – I don't know what to say. The beautiful store keeper? I couldn't read it closely honestly. It was just too odd. My sense of humor is sometimes terrible.

GoodGriefCB   January 15th, 2009 5:24 pm ET

Check out the Anti-Israel crap on Pravda:

One thread says, "Hitler was a Perfectly Normal Gentleman"


Seyed Mossadeq   January 15th, 2009 6:01 pm ET

Hi I'm Seyed
What's going on?

Evelyn (Canada)   January 15th, 2009 6:17 pm ET

There are no words for the grief I feel in my heart for the Palestinians and what they are enduring….it’s indescribable. This inexcusable slaughter must stop!
Bolivia and Venezuela have expelled their Israeli ambassadors. This is something many more countries need to do. I also feel countries should impose sanctions against Israel. Personally I will no longer buy any Israeli products (such as Naot shoes etc). For a good reference of Israeli products, see Boycott Israeli products. Israeli’s will not suffer from boycotts like the Palestinians have suffered without life’s necessities, but at least I feel that I am doing what I can.

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 7:15 pm ET

Akiva (not Akiva Heifetz)

your a bit smarter then dan ... but still on the same level as dan perman :)

JJdT   January 15th, 2009 7:26 pm ET

Evelyn (Canada)
Everybody is sorry about the innocent people getting killed and injured but you are a hypocrite. Why pick on Israel? The rockets that Hamas shoots into Israel is ok, isn't it.? Hamas that murders their own people and political opponents. Perhaps we should boycott Canadian good because of hate crimes committed against foreigners in Canada? Perhaps we should withdraw our ambassadors from Canada?

Boycott Canadian goods:

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 10:16 pm ET

great topic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tell us 100000 hours that all people in the hudsonriver are save!!!!
and this on CNN internationa :D
great job :(

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 10:55 pm ET

i am 100% sure al quaeeda did send this birds ;)

Akiva Heifetz   January 15th, 2009 11:05 pm ET

Israelis shell hospitals and UN HQ
Three hospitals and a UN complex are bombed as Israelis push further into Gaza

israel den-haag!

David Freeman   January 16th, 2009 5:21 am ET


Are you asking me to stop firing rockets? LOL.. I wish I can help you but I live in Colorado, USA ..

However, I will be more than happy to give you a clue of why these militants firing the homemade rockets at you in Israel.


Harvey, it is a simple formula called Cause and Effect.. I know you little slow so I will explain..Don’t worry...
Cause= Occupation --–> Effect = firing rockets on Israel.
Please let me know I you need me to draw it for you LOL

David Freeman   January 16th, 2009 6:51 am ET

To: JJdt

You are an insult to logic.. what you are trying to accomplish in your statement is called Parallel Reasoning” in critical thinking derived from logic
Your premise is flawed

Israel is illegally occupying other people’s land
Canada is NOT occupying any people’s land

So you and your reasoning are both fallacies… is there any smart people on this blog?? Stupid people like you make our world a dangerous place to live.. since they are easily manipulated by others with little effort..

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