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Inside the Middle East
January 5, 2009
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RAFAH BORDER CROSSING – Mathematically, it's not a tricky equation. Politically, though, it's a complete conundrum. I'm talking about the scenes on the Egyptian side of the Rafah border crossing Sunday.

Aid has been kept waiting on the Egyptian side of the border.
Aid has been kept waiting on the Egyptian side of the border.

It was the morning after the start of the Israeli ground assault on Gaza. In the dark, a few hours earlier, I'd been able to make out the sound of Israeli tank tracks grinding through southern Gaza; the whoosh of missiles fired by Apache attack helicopters into targets just a few hundred yards away and the rat-a-tat of assault guns as Hamas and Israeli fighters closed in on one another.

Now, it was light, and around 30 trucks lined up at the Rafah border gates. They were piled high with much needed medical supplies for the teeming hospitals of Gaza and the mounting casualties. The aid had come from Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egyptian NGOs and even Scotland. There was even an eight-strong team of Greek trauma surgeons ready to go in and rescue the dying.

It would have been a heartening sight after the madness of the night except for one major detail - the border was closed, the gates firmly shut. That medicine was going nowhere.

And that's the simple equation. Three checkpoints and 300 yards separated life-giving supplies from the Palestinian wounded and dying. There was fuel in the trucks, drivers at the wheel and politics in the road.

Now the border has been open sporadically over the last few days for a few hours at a time to let aid in and a trickle of wounded Palestinians out (about 120 since the current hostilities began). But Sunday was not one of those days.

The Egyptian border police said they couldn't let the trucks through because the Palestinian border guards had fled during the night. Israeli tanks and helicopter gunships, I guess, can be expected to have that effect on employees of Gaza's Hamas government.

The Egyptians also warned it was dangerous and they couldn't guarantee anybody's safety. War does tend to be a risky business.

The Egyptian government, meanwhile, has said it can't fully normalize the border between Egypt and Gaza because that needs an agreement between Hamas and its rivals in the Fatah movement, as well as the presence of European Union monitors.

And as the apologies and public hand-wringing go on, the aid is blocked and the wounded are getting sicker; the dying expiring.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak is no friend of Hamas. He did very strongly condemn the Israeli ground assault in a statement Sunday. But on the Egyptian street, especially here close to the border, many Egyptians see that as little more than public bravado.

They criticize him for not sending aid through and for not letting Palestinian refugees come across, at least temporarily. They also point to the fact that two days before Israeli airstrikes began, Mubarak was hosting Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni and permitting her to issue threats against Hamas from his couch.

Now clearly I'm not a Middle Eastern expert, but as I mull the chain on the gate at the Rafah crossing, the scale of human need in Gaza seems crystal clear while political red tape is keeping the medicine from the wounded and dying.

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Hunk   January 5th, 2009 12:29 am ET

Viva Scotland and viva Greece ... love and a million roses

At last only the freedom fighters ... will come to rescue ... people who have nothing by their hand to pray to god ... lets see that they don't break there hands ... there will is beyond the reach of the Army of THUGS.

Owen Broadhurst   January 5th, 2009 12:44 am ET

Red tape does not prevent aid. Genocidal design prevents it.

The mass extermination of civilians in the Gaza was already blessed by Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu in a letter to Olmert a year and half ago. The genocide is considered "justified":

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1180527966693&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

The humanitarian crisis manufactured by Israeli policy one year ago and still in progress (the reason behind the rocket attacks) now shall intensify, not because Hamas is recalcitrant, but because a people challenged apartheid:

http://www.counterpunch.org/gordon01302008.html

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10110.shtml

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 12:51 am ET

The destruction of Gaza has nothing to do with Hamas. Israel will accept no authority in the Palestinian territories that it does not ultimately control. Any individual, leader, faction or movement that fails to accede to Israel's demands or that seeks genuine sovereignty and the equality of all nations in the region; any government or popular movement that demands the applicability of international humanitarian law and of the universal declaration of human rights for its own people will be unacceptable for the Jewish State. Those dreaming of one state must be forced to ask themselves what Israel would do to a population of 4 million Palestinians within its borders when it commits on a daily, if not hourly basis, crimes against their collective humanity while they live alongside its borders? What will suddenly make the raison d'etre, the self-proclaimed purpose of Israel's reason for being change if the Palestinian territories are annexed to it outright?

The lifeblood of the Palestinian National Movement flows through the streets of Gaza today. Every drop that falls waters the soil of vengeance, bitterness and hatred not only in Palestine but across the Middle East and much of the world. We do have a choice over whether or not this should continue. Now is the time to make it.

Jennifer Loewenstein is the Associate Director of the Middle East Studies Program at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. She can be reached at

Larry   January 5th, 2009 1:10 am ET

Why aren't any of the new media, including your own, asking the one and only relevant question of Palestinian spokespeople, to wit: " If Hamas and the Arab public are so concerned about the humanitarian crisis in GAZA, why don't the Hamas terrorists put down their weapons?" This entire so-called manufactured "crisis" would come to an end immediately if Hamas disarmed.

I am also tired of hearing the American and international media, including Israeli spokespersons, protest that this action is against Hamas and not against the "innocent" residents of Gaza. These "innocent" residents chose to elect a terrorist organization as their government. They are, therefore, not innocent victims, but are complicit with their elected government's actions. The Gaza people support their elected government's actions and are not innocent. They had the choice to elect a less radical government and must be held accountable for that choice. These Gaza residents are no more innocent than the German civilian population that willingly participated in the genocide of millions.

Finally, it would be fair and balanced to point out that our country (the US) placed it's Japanese citizens in internment camps and dropped two atom bombs on "innocent" Japanese civilians on far less provocation than Israel has faced for the past 60 years.

Doesn't anyone even consider that the people whom Israel is fighting are the very same people that blow eachother up in mosques and markets on a daily basis ?

Thank you.

johnny handsome   January 5th, 2009 1:15 am ET

my personal opinion is that the palestinians are going thru
a holacaust of their own, just as the nazis waged on the jews. israeal is built on lands annexed from th palestinians, they will of slowly but surely be commiting a genocide on the palestinians now on gaza ..I dont know what the human death toll is from occupation of this land but i wouldnt be surprised if it has crossed a million over the last 41 years since in 1947.The 2 state solution will never work.The only way is to assimiliate the palestinians into 1 state and treat them as equals. Israel must and has to forego this historical rights crap..Well i hv historical rights on israel too so do well all..So this nonsensical argument is dumb and stupid...It is time for the us and europe to realise that this experiment of uprooting one creed of people and replacing with another broke all united nations charter's and infact is a genocide of a people who are as much semitic just like the jews..Where is the Human Rights charter, beseiging a ppl of 1.5 million people cutting them, what do u expect i would be throwing ricgks and grenades at my neighbour if i was subject to this sort of humilation..

The jews havent learn anything from the holocaust that they are no waging it on the palestianans over the last 41years..

It is time now, for the world to sort this mess out..The US is no longer an honest broker of peace infact is it is the harbringer of death and destruction all over the globe.

Bill   January 5th, 2009 1:27 am ET

I still can't stand Don Lemon's bias against Israel.
How come he can't get the sleazy Hamas leaders,to be interviewed.
An editor on the Chris Mathews show brought the truth out.
How come Hamas is so good at smuggling weapons and not baby formula. How come Hezbollah isn't sending them some troops or aid.
If the hospitals are in such trouble, why doesn't Iran the Hamas backers do some air drops of medical supplies.
Why don't the Saudi's send some planes with medical supplies.
Why isn't anybody coming to the aid of the corrupt Palestenians.
The hamas crooks can smuggle weapons, but seem to have trouble smuggling what the civilians need. That's because they are acting as the proxy for Iran just like the Hezbollah terroists. I wonder why nobody wants to help the Palestenian gypsies because they have very little redeeming value to the other Arab countries.
Why doesn't Don go interview the Saudi Shieks and the rich Kuwaitis about trucking in some help with all the obscene profits they have made in oil last year.
Why doesn't Don get the real facts why the Egyptians keep the border closed at Rafah. Where are the interviews with the Egyptian government explaining why the border is barely open.
Doesn't Don have the brains or balls to get the rest of the story, or is he just a shill for the liberal wackos.
American and Israel and the moderate Arabs want peace. Oh, how I hope the Israelis nuke the Iranian extremists and bomb them back to the stone age where there religious views would be understood better. Where is Aleaxander the Great when you need him.
Bill

David Mark   January 5th, 2009 1:27 am ET

I am amazed at the compassion of the the Israeli Forces...Look at what Jordan did to the PLO many years ago, when they were resident in Jordan...Massacared in cold blood, men, women and children....same with the Syrians agains the predecessor to Hamas..the Muslim Brotherhood.....BRAVO to Israel for your compassion....Shame on the Palestinian world and other Arab leaders...particularily Syria, with your double standard...Further, when Israel kills civilians, it is regretful...not the dancing in the streets we see by the less than human Hamas when they INTENTIONALLY bomb civilians

Larry   January 5th, 2009 1:29 am ET

Is Jennifer Loewenstein, a self-professed Associate Director of the Middle East Studies Program at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, a Jew ? She sounds more like an Arab apologist. Does Ms. Lowenstein, assuming that is her name, seriously defend the pervasive racist and genocidal television programs that Arab children are reared on from birth?
Can she name even one single Arab country that is democratic ? Can she name one Arab country that recognizes women's rights ?
Can she name one single positive contribution from any Arab country (other than high oil prices and homicide bombings) ?
Can she name one single Arab country that has Christians or Jews in it's government ? I challenge her to respond to these questions.
Israel is the only country to rescue Albanian Muslims from Serbian genocide and African Muslims in Darfur from Arab genocide.
By the way, there is one country in the Middle East that is democratic, has a mixed government, and integrated society, and has rescued Muslim victims of Arab genocide. Israel. Surprised ?

hippie   January 5th, 2009 1:35 am ET

instead of making bombs,roll joints,cheaper and safer,and another thing is this is not none of you people's problem.what i see here is the problem i see in the middle east,hate spreading.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 1:42 am ET

Larry,

Judge the say and the say er so speak, he is after all Associate Director of the Middle East Studies Program at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

Profiling a person of this Caliber is a crime against freedom of speech.

Nona   January 5th, 2009 1:44 am ET

Right on, Bill & Larry! You are both absolutely right.

I'm sick of people whining about "pro-Israel" media in USA but sit there and blindly accept the news of al-Jazeera and state-owned stations of Arab regimes as if they were some kind of objective, balanced reporting. Can somebody show me one single story about Israel's point of view on one of those stations? Because I know I've seen both sides in USA media.

Hamas considers the "occupation" to be the existence of Israel, and until Israel is destroyed, it will be content to leave its people packed into camps like rats. Plenty of people throughout history have lost wars and have lost territories in wars, but what people on Earth have ever allowed their people to live in so-called "refugee camps" for 60 years? The refugees after WWI, WWII, Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda, Sudan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Tibet, etc. - even the Israeli refugees from Gaza who were forced to evacuate their homes by their own government in 2005 - have moved on and found ways to go on and live productive lives and build an economy and happy futures for their children. But not these people. They'd rather be "occupied" and beg for the donations from governments and mosques for generation after generation.

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 2:07 am ET

"Finally, it would be fair and balanced to point out that our country (the US) placed it’s Japanese citizens in internment camps and dropped two atom bombs on “innocent” Japanese civilians on far less provocation than Israel has faced for the past 60 years"

how stupid and Ignorant some one can be.

earle,florida   January 5th, 2009 2:12 am ET

What wicked scion belies our consciousness tormented only by incarceration of greed,and folly to immolate bellilcose futility! Woe to the caretakers of the innocent to turn a blind eye ,whince the other shall be plucked out for ye deception,and thrown into the depths of hell,along with all conspirators! There shall be no redemption for this sordid lot!

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 2:15 am ET

Nona,

There is obviously no doubt that Israel is occupying Palestinian land.
The United Nations Security Council in Resolutions 446, 465 and 484,
among others, resolved that the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza
are occupied and that the Fourth Geneva Convention provisions
regarding occupied territories apply. In addition, the International Court
of Justice in its decision on the separation barrier, ruled that the West
Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem are occupied.

I would love to have your feedback on this ....

Nona   January 5th, 2009 2:19 am ET

The UN also says Israel has the right to exist? Do you agree, Hunk?

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 2:26 am ET

Good, now we start talking .... would like to answer the question plain and simple ..... if i say yes ... u say Hamas ... if i say no then i will be contradicting my self ..... would you like to keep it plain ... ?

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 2:32 am ET

"The UN also says Israel has the right to exist?"

Nona.

Not at the expense of the right of Palestinian existence

Nona   January 5th, 2009 2:43 am ET

I think Israel has the right to exist and that the Palestinians have the right to exist, both in peace, both in security, both worshipping according to their own religions and, if necessary, sharing territory and political power.

Anybody have a problem with that, because I don't.

Anita Johnson   January 5th, 2009 2:47 am ET

Just what did the Palestinians think would happen? They voted for Hamas, they supported Hamas, and they knew Hamas was antagonizing Israel for two months with those rockets. A Government is supposed to protect it's people. What has Hamas done for the Palestinians?

Onion   January 5th, 2009 2:55 am ET

Propaganda does not deceive people; it merely helps them to deceive themselves.

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 2:56 am ET

Nona .
I agree now it is my turn to ask what is your Idea of a Palestinian state.?

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 3:03 am ET

I have no problem with that too, and i can add that i will protect those who share this, how wouldn't ? we are cousins and this deadlock been going on for centuries at own own expense .... how much we will get both ... a future full of hope.

A united nation security seats is guaranteed. for any of us.

American Jew   January 5th, 2009 3:03 am ET

I just found this on the internet, in part re-posted here.

A centrist Jewish POV by: Jeremy Ben-Ami

J Street, the new pro-peace, pro-two state solution lobbying organization.

"J Street takes serious issue with Rabbi Eric Yoffie’s op-ed in the December 31st Forward, in which he attacks us for questioning the wisdom of the Gaza assault.

Our position on the crisis reflects our support for Israel, our hope for its security and our sympathy with the ongoing suffering of the people on both sides in this conflict. It is hard for us to understand how the leading reform rabbi in North America could call our effort to articulate a nuanced view on these difficult issues “morally deficient.” If our views are “naïve” and “morally deficient”, then so are the views of scores of Israeli journalists, security analysts, distinguished authors, and retired IDF officers who have posed the same questions about the Gaza attack as we have.

And, when tens of thousands of pro-Israel American Jews are joining with statements made by J Street, Americans for Peace Now, Brit Tzedek, Israel Policy Forum and others calling for a ceasefire – it is simply wrong to call these views out of touch with Jewish sentiment.

American Jews are, as Rabbi Yoffie says, by and large sensible and centrist, and they support Israel in her hour of need. But many of those same Jews – and their friends who want the best for Israel – are well within their rights and within the centrist mainstream to question the wisdom of the actions taken this week, to question where they will lead and to ask the US and others to help bring an end to the violence as quickly as possible.

They are also in line with many in Israel, where on Friday, 30 peace organizations (including the Peres Center for Peace, the Geneva Initiative and Peace Now) signed a public call for an immediate ceasefire, joining such pillars of the national conscience as David Grossman and Amos Oz.

J Street understands that Hamas is a terrorist organization and a harsh enemy. We are neither dovish nor pacifist, nor are we blindly opposed to the use of force. We support Israel in defending and protecting its citizens from attack, including through military action if necessary and appropriate to the threat. We believe, however, that force cannot be Israel’s only or preponderant response – even to Hamas.

We are pragmatists grounded in the real world and the lessons it teaches. As such – and as avid supporters of Israel – we are asking whether the specific actions taken by Israel in Gaza actually do advance Israel’s and America’s interests. In this case, J Street believes they do not. We believe that the actions taken this week – disproportionate to the threat and escalatory in nature – will be seen, with time, as counterproductive. They will further isolate Israel and the US internationally, deepen hatred among the Palestinian and Israel peoples, foment extremism throughout the Arab world and undercut the position of more moderate Arab regimes

Further, we have asked from the first day of this operation, for clarity as to Israel’s exit strategy. An operation of this scale is easy to start, but far more difficult to wind down successfully. The alternatives without a ceasefire – ongoing Israeli reoccupation of Gaza, re-imposition by force of Fatah rule or international/Arab forces taking over – all are either undesirable or unrealistic.

J Street believes the only option at this point for Israel and the U.S. is to work urgently and immediately to achieve a ceasefire now that stops the violence, ends the rockets and eases the blockade of Gaza, rather than allowing a ground campaign to proceed. Perhaps if similar calls had been made – and heeded – in the first week of the Lebanon War in 2006, much of the damage and loss in the conflict could have been avoided...

The rest of this post can be found at:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

dawn   January 5th, 2009 3:10 am ET

Again the Israelis are looked upon by the world as bullies while the rest of the west look on and argue. Israel, by acting as the aggressor instead of merely just defending its territory and people is playing into Hamas' manipulative hands in its quest for global sympathy and favorable public opinion. Hamas by launching rockets toward southern Israel days ago mustve been luring its neighbor into taking out the heavy artillery. The absence of aid, medical facilities and supplies in Gaza are contributory factors all helpful in painting Israel as a horrible war monger. It is a picture the Hamas leaders themselves composed paintbrush in hand. One can easily look back at how far back this was planned by Hamas. The ceasefire had lapses in security and moments of trust that allowed Hamas to build up its rocket stockpile. Smuggling weapons instead of bringing in much needed medical and food supplies, it purposely left Palestinians in a vulnerable state for the Israeli retaliation. The result- The less informed rush to rally against Israel.

Philip   January 5th, 2009 3:21 am ET

Amazing!!

Hamas and their backers have their minds set on one thing only – destruction of Israel, no amount of reason can sway them from their goal. They continue to take the road to war rather than peace, they choose to send bombers and missiles to Israel rather than to live in peace, security and economic cooperation.

When Israel flexes its military muscles in response to the missiles from Hamas, Hamas cries foul!! coz as they say its not proportionate?? Amazing!!

Hamas can bring to Gaza guns and missiles – tons of it, but they cant manage to bring in food, medicines, water for their people?? Amazing!!

Nona   January 5th, 2009 3:22 am ET

Solomon asks me, "I agree now it is my turn to ask what is your Idea of a Palestinian state.?"

Solomon, I don't have a preconceived idea of a Palestinian state so I'm not sure if my answer will satisfy you. But I do think it should be a state that allows Palestinians to live in peace without attacking or provoking its neighbors, even if those neighbors are a Jewish state. By the same token, its neighbors should let the Palestinian state live in peace and not send suicide bombers into it or vow its destruction. Ideally, they would trade freely and exchange commerce and protect each other rather than wage war on each other.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 3:23 am ET

Israel is bringing this to them, by not recognizing any of the UN resolution and by not letting opening the borders ... six of them are under Israel .

1163 wounded or killed are women and children that's 40 % and still counting ..... how much more death ... Nagasaki

Linda   January 5th, 2009 3:43 am ET

Nona, you are very wise.

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 3:44 am ET

Nona.

I am talking about Palestinian state in Geographical term. not how it should behave.

Nona   January 5th, 2009 3:48 am ET

Thank you, Linda. Meanwhile, I've asked several people if they think Israel has the right to exist and have been met with dead silence from these people.

I don't know how anybody can expect peace when both sides won't acknowledge the other's right to exist. So far, only once side is doing that, and it's NOT the side that convinces its people that it's an honor to commit murder and suicide.

American Jew   January 5th, 2009 3:49 am ET

It strikes me that anyone who is not on the right regarding Israel, is automatically dismissed by the right on this site (and else) if they hold more centrist or leftist views/ideas regarding the Gaza mess.

Oh well, we all need to keep posting and getting all views out. And that includes us all.

Blog Wars or War of Words continues...

Akiva   January 5th, 2009 3:52 am ET

How can it be?...

We watch CNN and see reports about how Israel bombs a American school.
Some hour later we see foreign minister Livni which tell us that Israel don't bomb schools.
How can she lie to us straight faced when we see the opposite around the whole world?

How can she tell us that the world misunderstand Israel?
Isn't it her who misunderstand Israel?

How can she lie us straight faced when she tell us that Israel don't target civilians?
This in the time in which we see endless wounded children?
In the time in which we see endless wounded women and men?

Thousands wounded civilians, how much of them are really hamas?

Let us think about human rights...
How many Hostages of war they did take until now?
Isn't it normal to Take hostages if it is possible?

What did the allied to the Nazis?
We did not murder all Germans! We did take as many as possible as hostage and we brought them to justice!

what is about Israel?
Are they really interested in justice? Or do they just slaughter everything what moves in Gaza?
Isn't that against any war-right or law in this world?

We see how they block human aid to Gaza.
We see that they don't let the international press into Gaza?

Wasn't such methods, uses by Israel, the same as the methods used by the fascists in the time of third Reich?

So they slaughter civilians and tell us that they only kill hamas.
Until now we did not see any hostages or death hamas but death children.

Is it wrong if we call Livin a liar?

How long will we wait until we bring her to Den Haag?
How long do we wait until we understand that this fascist methods are the exactly same methods as Hitler did use against the Jews?

Would it be wrong, if we face the truth, to bring the Israeli leadership to Den Haag?

We cant accept this anymore!

We should learn out of History!
We should not wait as long as we did until we went for Hitler!

We should not allow a second holocaust!
We should stop Israel now!

Hamas are bad! But where are they now? Did we see any death or hostage Hama?
Until now we only see death children with diapers.
Is Israel affright from children in diapers?

Is this why they bomb schools?

We should really forget this liar Livni! She have to be deported to Den Haag!... or a nuthouse maybe.

Why we don't react?
Do we need Israel as a friend?
Do we need fascists as our friends?
Do we really want look quiet at this holocaust?

I feel ashamed!!!

Why is a genocide by Israel better then a genocide by Hitler?
A genocide is never good!
And maybe its time to do as allied what we did as allied to the Nazi Germans!

Or do we better wait until there is no human life anymore in Gaza?
Maybe this is a good idea.. who will blame us then if all victims are death.
Is this the international strategy. Are we so smart?

Why we was so fast when Saddam attacked Kuwait, and why we sleep now?
Is it because the Palestinians don't have oil?

So what have the Palestinians?
Stones? cheap weapons from Iran?

Why are hamas able to target much more precise at Israel then Israel, with HigTech weapons, target against Palestine?
Are they genius or are Israeli dumb?

Russians was able to pile the mobile phone of the chechenian leader and to target him one feet precise.
Is Israel not able to handle HighTech weapons?

Shame over Israel!
Shame over the world who watches this without reaction!

If e are humans we have to bring Israel at Den Haag now!
Else we all are coward! Else we use different rights for the same nazis.
That's poor

Over 3000 wounded Palestinians 1/3 of them children ... and less then 10 Wounded Israeli
Can't we see what is going on?

Do we accept when Liveni tells us that that is proportional?
So are Israelis the better humans then other?

Wasn't it the same rhetoric as Hitler used?

How can this all be?!

margaret green   January 5th, 2009 3:56 am ET

I'm confused. Will someone explain to me how it is Hamas' fault that
Israel's bombs are killing innocent people. If the argument is that the
retailation is due to terrorist attacks then why not target the terrorist. Since when would it be acceptale to blowup a city to pacify a gang. I challenge anyone to say it's okay to kill THEIR family to get gangs out of their neighborhood. Since I was a child I was always told to take responsibility for MY actions and the choices I made. There is not a court in the world that would accept " I killed people because I was afraid" as an excuse to murder hundreds of innocent people to get rid of a bully. So why do we as a nation accept this? Since when do we accept people as COLLATERAL DAMAGE? Human beings are not property!

American Jew   January 5th, 2009 3:59 am ET

Yes, the people of Israel have the right to exist.

They have a right to co-exist peacefully in the region.

I think the hesitancy comes because of the Zionist violence and the beginnings of the Zionist state and the various interpretation of Zionism nowadays.

At the risk of starting WWIII here at Way of Words Central, perhaps dialogue needs to happen on this core issue.

Even the very diverse Jewish community has trouble talking to each other about this.

Zionism history causes division even amongst Jews (2 Jews, 3 opinions)...

OH-oh, I may have opened a can of worms here...

JAMIL   January 5th, 2009 4:01 am ET

Facts:
1-jews were never persecuted by Muslims
2- jews were mostly persecuted by Christians (remember Hitler? He was not a Palestinian or a Muslim) unless jews changed history also.
3-whenever jews ran away from persecutions they hid behind and amongst the Muslims and Arabs throughout history.
4-a jew is just that, it is not a nationality, it is like saying you are a Muslim or Christian, so Israel as a concept is a failed concept, how about starting a country just for Christians or Buddhists?
5-there are Chinese jews, Somali jews, Arab jews American jews and Mexican jews, so I say everyone that his parents or grandparents were never born in Palestine just go back to where you came from and call it a day.
I am sick and tiered of you people trying to justify your existence beyond your own home countries of birth, you are like unwanted pests, just go back to your land of origins and live like any other people.

American Jew   January 5th, 2009 4:01 am ET

That is supposed to read 'WAR of WORDS CENTRAL'

Nona   January 5th, 2009 4:05 am ET

Solomon asks me "Nona. I am talking about Palestinian state in Geographical term. not how it should behave."

Thank you for the clarification. Both sides must sacrifice some things geographically and they both must be willing to compromise if there is to be peace. Most of all, Jerusalem is a sticky situation, and the only options are (1) compromise and have peace, or (2) keep warring over it. A compromise will mean nobody gets everything they want but everybody gets some of what they want. Once everybody accepts that, there's room for negotiation and a chance for peace. If one side is determined to push each other into the sea until they get every square inch on their wish list, this madness continues for generations ad infinitum.

JAMIL   January 5th, 2009 4:12 am ET

israel is the biggest lie ever,
israel was created by the European countries and America to rid thier these countried from the jews
jews were fooled into believing this hoax about a promise land and they are trying to survive in a sea of Arabs
joke is on you

American Jew   January 5th, 2009 4:13 am ET

Sorry Jamil, I don't agree with you here.

The last 2-3 generations of Israelis were born in Israel. There are Jews there that go back many more generations that were in Palestine before 1948–way before. This includes Arab Jews.

My parents were both born in USA, their parents were born in Portugal, Germany/Poland, and England.

Your logic demands that all Arabs who emigrated to Europe and USA in last 20-40 years should go back to where they came from.

Should not happen unless these people want to 'go back where they came from.'

Learning to co-exist with one's neighbors everywhere in the world is the best solution.

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 4:18 am ET

Nona.

I am sorry I did not get a straight answer from you.when you say both have to sacrifice tell me what sacrifices Israel should make and what Palestinian sacrifices should be.
it is nice to talk about two states but what states.?

Rod   January 5th, 2009 4:19 am ET

It is ok for people to express what they believe is true. the problem that I have with some of the people here that they do not want to learn and thus won't change.

One guy says muslims, Christians and Jews do not worship the same God. All educated individuals know that muslims, jews and christians worship the same God and the word Allah is the Arabic equivalent to God in english.

Lets all share ideas about a solution to this. lets not fight because the fighting is already happening in Gaza. I am asking people to be mature and assume responsibility. I ask everyone to denounce Violence as a first step.
Additionally, I ask all of you to understand what the occupation is doing to palestinians and judge for yourself if it was the roots of the problem

Give yourself a chance to learn what is happening; I recommend this UN Report

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/de3c5500ad87043b85256c40005d636f/d8121758c971ba4685257490004aab60

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2451908450811690589&ei=BdMbScX5OafcqAOF1NHGBw&q=occupation+101

Go to Bt Selem Human rights and learn more about Human Rights

http://www.btselem.org/English/

Just give yourself time to learn and be an active voice for Humanity.

Calli   January 5th, 2009 4:33 am ET

Jamil –

Of course Jews have been persecuted by Arabs! There used to be almost 1 million Jews in Arab lands. Saudi Arabia doesn't even allow non-Muslims to visit - you honestly think they allowed the Jews who used to live there existed peacefully without persecution? Your statement is so obviously ridiculous I can't believe you believe these lies!

By 1945 the 30,000 Syrian Jews faced restrictions on leaving Syria and some of their property was burned and looted, including the Great Synagogue in Damascus. In December 1947 there was a major pogrom against the Jews of Aleppo, the largest community with 17,000; many were killed and 7,000 fled. Jewish bank accounts in the city were frozen and private property was confiscated; 50 shops, 18 synagogues, and 5 Jewish schools were burned. Later, after Israel's founding, more Syrian Jews were killed and banks were instructed to freeze all Jewish accounts.

In Yemen, Jews were always treated as second-class citizens. As far back as the 1880s, 2,500 Jews moved from there to Jerusalem and Jaffa, and another 17,000 left between 1923-1945. Riots and massacres also occurred in Aden. In three days of disturbances in December 1947, the Jewish quarter was burned to the ground, so that the community lost its business and economic base. Altogether in those three days, 82 Jews were killed, 106 Jewish shops looted out of 170, 220 houses destroyed, and four synagogues gutted.

The Iraqi Jews' condition deteriorated parallel to the rise of Nazism in Germany. Nazi ideology pervaded Iraqi society including the school curricula, which praised Hitler for his anti-Jewish policy. Hundreds of Jews were forced out of their civil service jobs in the 1930s, and in 1936, Jews were terrorized and murdered in Baghdad. That year the Chief Rabbi of Iraq, Sassoon Khaddouri, was forced to issue a statement denying any connection between Iraqi Jews and the Zionist movement, and in 1938, 33 Jewish leaders cabled to the League of Nations a strong condemnation of Zionism. During two days in June 1941, Iraqi mobs murdered 200 Jews, wounded over 2,0000, looted more than 900 homes, and damaged shops and warehouses.

In Egypt and Libya in 1945 there were riots and massacres of hundreds of Jews, with destruction of synagogues and other communal buildings. This recurred in 1948 with the arrest of thousands in Egypt, and deadly attacks in both countries along with synagogue burnings and confiscation of both communal and private property.

The North African countries of Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia also saw periodic waves of anti-Jewish riots including mass killings, but they were less intensive and with fewer casualties because of the better protection offered by the French authorities.

Regarding your statement No. 4 when you say, "a Jew is just that, it is not a nationality, it is like saying you are a Muslim or Christian, so Israel as a concept is a failed concept, how about starting a country just for Christians or Buddhists?" By that logic, I suppose you also believe there is no such thing as an Islamic country and that there should not be. After all, if there can't be a Jewish state (Israel), then there can't be a Christian state (Vatican, Italy, England, etc.) or an Islamic state (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan), right? Or are Jews the only ones who aren't allowed to have one tiny state? Oh, and by the way, there are 4 countries that have "started" a Bhuddist state: Bhutan, Burma, Cambodia and Thailand.

Get out of the madrassa and buy a book, dude.

Nona   January 5th, 2009 4:35 am ET

Solomon I am sorry you are not satisfied with my answers. I do not pretend to have all the answers, but I do believe the answers are there. I think those answers are best developed by the people who will live with the peace that results from them, or the war that results from lack of them.

JAMIL   January 5th, 2009 4:38 am ET

American Jew
(Your logic demands that all Arabs who emigrated to Europe and USA in last 20-40 years should go back to where they came from)

jews has always lived amongst arabs with peace, buth when they bit the hand that fed and protected them, thats when they should go back to thier countries, there are thousands of jew iranians, Shaol Mofaz is one of them, he is the ex-defense minister, he turned on his own country -Iran_ because he is a jew, what if we build countried based upon religions ?

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 4:39 am ET

American Jew.

Yes Jews who were in Palestine before 1948 have the same rights as Palestinian Arabs they are part of that land history.
but why bring three million Jewish Emigrants in the last 20 years that have no connection to Palestine and a lot of them are not even Jews and Implant them at the expense of the three Million Palestinian Natives who are in refugee camps.why should a Polish or a Russian take the place of the natives of the land.

yes Jews lived in Palestine for three thousand years with Palestinians.but hardly any presence in the last two thousand years previous to 1948.

that is why the Palestinians and Arabs refuse this arrangement.I Personally think that it is still possible for both Jews and Palestinians Arabs to live in the holy land in two states but not without Justice for Palestinians.

Calli   January 5th, 2009 4:40 am ET

Jamil –

1945 – the 30,000 Syrian Jews were not allowed to leave Syria and some of their property was burned and looted, including the Great Synagogue in Damascus. In December 1947 there was a major pogrom against the Jews of Aleppo, the largest community with 17,000; many were killed and 7,000 fled. Jewish bank accounts in the city were frozen and private property was confiscated; 50 shops, 18 synagogues, and 5 Jewish schools were burned. Later, after Israel's founding, more Syrian Jews were killed and banks were instructed to freeze all Jewish accounts.

In Yemen, Jews were always treated as second-class citizens. As far back as the 1880s, 2,500 Jews moved from there to Jerusalem and Jaffa, and another 17,000 left between 1923-1945. Riots and massacres also occurred in Aden. In three days of disturbances in December 1947, the Jewish quarter was burned to the ground, so that the community lost its business and economic base. Altogether in those three days, 82 Jews were killed, 106 Jewish shops looted out of 170, 220 houses destroyed, and four synagogues gutted.

Nazi ideology pervaded Iraqi society including the school curricula, which praised Hitler for his anti-Jewish policy. Hundreds of Jews were forced out of their civil service jobs in the 1930s, and in 1936, Jews were terrorized and murdered in Baghdad. During two days in June 1941, Iraqi mobs murdered 200 Jews, wounded over 2,0000, looted more than 900 homes, and damaged shops and warehouses.

In Egypt and Libya in 1945 there were riots and massacres of hundreds of Jews, with destruction of synagogues and other Jewish buildings. This recurred in 1948 with the arrest of thousands in Egypt, and deadly attacks in both countries along with synagogue burnings and confiscation of both communal and private Jewish property.

The North African countries of Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia also saw periodic waves of anti-Jewish riots including mass killings, but they were less intensive and with fewer casualties because of the better protection offered by the French authorities.

Debs   January 5th, 2009 4:41 am ET

Beny, Dan,

are you really proud of your country now? I am sorry but Israel is just going too far this time.

I still want to see a peace between Palestine and Israel but how can that happen now? Why is Israel being so brutal. Israel has a right to defende herself against terrorism and attack but its retaliation is too severe.

Solomon,

There were many times on this blog I thought you were being unfair and biased against Israel, now I think you had some truth to say and Beny and Dan were not so happy for Israels mistakes to be voiced.

Salam and Shalom

Calli   January 5th, 2009 4:44 am ET

Jamil – Regarding your statement No. 4 when you say, "a Jew is just that, it is not a nationality, it is like saying you are a Muslim or Christian, so Israel as a concept is a failed concept, how about starting a country just for Christians or Buddhists?" By that logic, I suppose you also believe there is no such thing as an Islamic country and that there should not be. After all, if there can't be a Jewish state (Israel), then there can't be a Christian state (Vatican, Italy, England, etc.) or an Islamic state (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan), right? Or are Jews the only ones who aren't allowed to have one tiny state? Oh, and by the way, there are 4 countries that have "started" a Bhuddist state: Bhutan, Burma, Cambodia and Thailand.

Some great education they give you in the madrassa, dude.

karen   January 5th, 2009 4:45 am ET

MSM, stop showing the images! stop rewarding Jihadists’ tricks in causing Arab civilians’ deaths!

Hey, BBC, CNN, Stop showing again and again ‘Pallywood’ TV from Gaza of Arab children killed due to Arab adults’ using them as cannon fodders.

Jan 2009

Operation: Cast Lead

Islamic butchers know all too well they succeed toying with their kids on their death cult’s death beds, no matter how you will explain the real cause how their civilians die, they are experienced in the power of ‘a picture is worth a thousand words’ when it comes to blooded Arab bodies.

What is the responsibility of the MSM BBC, CNN in serving the conveyer of these orchestrated images, Images that enrage the world against Israel who is nothing but a defender of it’s people? The media owe’s itself the professionalism not to show these images.

1) One can not take ‘Palestinian’ word for anything, much less about accuracy of photos or numbers of the so called “civilians’, we have been here before [we still remember the inflated "numbers" in Jenin including added bodies].

2) These images influence anyone’s mind (or heart), it is the most horrendous form of bias!

3) By showing these photos you guys are aiding Islamic Hamas (like Hezbollah), which is to bring about dead Arab kids to parade with them on world stage.
4) Moreover it is you who is (also) fueling Jihadism’s best tool of: “We Muslims are victims of the west”.

littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/200606267Hamas01.jpg

Linda   January 5th, 2009 4:57 am ET

Hi again Jamil. I had a quick question. you wrote: what if we build countried based upon religions ?
people have, one is called the United States. They left England for their freedom of Religion. Christianity. but the people here were not Christians, so what happened then? This kind of thing has been going on for centuries.

Salaam   January 5th, 2009 5:03 am ET

Israel-haters think it's wrong for Jews to immigrate to Israel but that it's perfectly fine for Muslims to wander wherever they want - Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya, Iraq, Turkey - and wage so-called jihad. Biggest double standard ever.

jirvin   January 5th, 2009 5:07 am ET

It is crucial that one has her/his facts straight about Israel’s war on Gaza. What events brought about this dreadful situation? What needs to be done to make it stop? These questions will be answered in the content of this article, using concrete facts from a variety of news sources.

Let’s first investigate the recent cease-fire between Israel and Hamas. The cease-fire began in June 2008. The terms were as follows:

1. Israel would drastically reduce its military blockade of Gaza.
2. Israel would halt all military incursions into Gaza.
3. Hamas would halt all rocket attacks into Israel.

From the outset of the cease-fire, Israel did little to ease its military blockade. As a result, Gazans continued to suffer from a lack of food, fuel, financial aid, electricity, clean water, medical supplies, and more. This has been, inarguably, an attack on innocent Palestinian civilians.

 Gaza faces a humanitarian "catastrophe" if Israel continues to prevent aid reaching the territory by blocking crossing points, the head of the main UN aid agency for the Palestinians said on Friday… Israel had restricted goods into Gaza despite the truce, which calls on militants to halt rocket attacks in return for Israel easing its embargo on the territory… Israel also held up deliveries of European Union-funded fuel for the power plant, which generates about a third of the electricity consumed by Gazans... Ailments associated with insufficient food were surfacing among the impoverished coastal strip's 1.5 million population, including growing malnutrition.
–Haaretz Israel News, Nov. 21, 2008 [1]

 A former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Mary Robinson, has told the BBC she was taken aback by the "terrible" conditions in Gaza on a recent visit. Mrs Robinson said it was "almost unbelievable" that the world did not care about what she called "a shocking violation of so many human rights"… Israel tightened a blockade on Gaza after Hamas took control there in 2007… "Their whole civilisation has been destroyed, I'm not exaggerating," said Mrs Robinson…Israel says the blockade, under which it has allowed little more than basic humanitarian aid into Gaza, is needed to isolate the militant group and stop it and other militants from firing rockets into Israel. Israel came to a truce with Palestinian groups in June this year, but Mrs Robinson said this had had little effect on people's lives and "just brought a bitter taste in the mouth".
–BBC News, Nov. 4, 2008 [2]

 The UN in the Gaza Strip says it will run out of food aid in two days unless Israel's blockade – which it describes as "shameful and unacceptable" – eases. The UN refugee agency UNWRA, which distributes food to half of Gaza's 1.5m people, called the blockade "a physical as well as a mental punishment". Israel is now allowing a limited amount of fuel across the border, but it is still blocking food deliveries… In a statement, UNWRA spokesman Christopher Gunness said food distribution operations would end on Thursday unless Israeli authorities allowed deliveries of wheat, luncheon meat, powdered milk and cooking oil without delay. "This is both a physical as well as a mental punishment of the population – of mothers and parents trying to feed their children – who are being forced to live hand to mouth," he said… "It is a further illustration of the barbarity of this inhuman blockade."… "It is also shameful and unacceptable that the largest humanitarian actor in Gaza is being forced into yet another cycle of crisis management," Mr Gunness added.
–BBC News, Nov. 11, 2008 [3]

 International aid agencies, including the International Committee of the Red Cross, have said virtually no medical supplies were reaching Gaza.
–Haaretz Israel News, Nov. 9, 2008 [14]

 The UN has no more food to distribute in the Gaza Strip, the head of relief efforts in the area has warned. John Ging said handouts for 750,000 Gazans would have to be suspended until Saturday at the earliest, and called Gaza's economic situation "a disaster". Israel earlier denied entry to a convoy carrying humanitarian supplies… The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) distributes emergency aid to about half of Gaza's 1.5m population. "We have run out [of food aid] this evening," said Mr Ging, UNRWA's senior official in Gaza. "Unless the crossing points open... we won't be able to get that food into Gaza," he told Reuters news agency… Also on Thursday, Israel refused permission for a group of senior European diplomats to visit the coastal enclave. It has also prevented journalists, including those from the BBC, from entering the territory.
–BBC News, Nov. 13, 2008 [4]

 Since June 2007, Israel has allowed little more than basic humanitarian aid to enter the Gaza Strip. Many there hoped that policy would change, five months ago, when Hamas and Israel agreed to a truce. But while there were some increases in the amount of aid allowed in, Israel's strict restrictions on the movement of goods and people into and out of Gaza largely remained… Serious fuel shortages have led to widespread power cuts across Gaza City. That, in turn, has caused problems in pumping water to homes, and sewage to treatment plants. Israel is preventing many aid workers, and all journalists from entering Gaza too… "I never thought we would see days like this," says Monther Shublak, head of Gaza's water authority. "The water system was severely stretched even before this crisis, but now, things are much worse. For the last four days, around 40% of people in Gaza City have had no access to running water in their homes at all."… "But we are putting all of our resources into sewage pumping. The health consequences of that system totally failing are too worrying to think about, but it could happen unless things change."
–BBC News, Nov. 20, 2008 [5]

Keys   January 5th, 2009 5:11 am ET

Of course Jews have been persecuted by Arabs! There used to be almost 1 million Jews in Arab lands and they've been driven off or murdered. By 1945 the 30,000 Syrian Jews weren't allowed to flee Syria and some of their property was burned and looted, including the Great Synagogue in Damascus. In December 1947 there was a major campaign against the 17,000 Jews of Aleppo - many were killed and 7,000 fled. Jewish bank accounts in Aleppo were frozen and private property was confiscated; 50 shops, 18 synagogues, and 5 Jewish schools were burned. Later, more Syrian Jews were killed and banks were instructed to freeze all Jewish accounts.

As far back as the 1880s, 2,500 Yemeni Jews moved to Jerusalem and Jaffa, and another 17,000 fled Yemen between 1923-1945 due to persecution. Riots and massacres occurred in Aden. In December 1947, the Jewish quarter of Aden was burned to the ground. Over 3 days of anti-Jewish terror, 82 Jews were killed, 106 Jewish shops looted out of 170, 220 houses destroyed, and 4 synagogues gutted.

Nazi ideology pervaded Iraqi society including the school curricula, which praised Hitler for his anti-Jewish policy. Hundreds of Jews were forced out of their civil service jobs in the 1930s, and in 1936, Jews were terrorized and murdered in Baghdad. During two days in June 1941, Iraqi mobs murdered 200 Jews, wounded over 2,0000, looted more than 900 homes, and damaged shops and warehouses.

In Egypt and Libya in 1945 there were riots and massacres of hundreds of Jews, with destruction of synagogues and other communal buildings. This recurred in 1948 with the arrest of thousands in Egypt, and deadly attacks in both countries along with synagogue burnings and confiscation of both communal and private property.

The North African countries of Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia also saw periodic waves of anti-Jewish riots including mass killings.

Akiva   January 5th, 2009 5:19 am ET

We have to face te truth!

what is going on is a holocaust done by israel

the israelian leadership must be broght to denHaag!
what they do is fascism!
they kill civilians!
they kill children!
they dont let the international press into gaza!
they block human aid!

this are fascist methods

Livni is the jewish Goebels !

Stop them now!
in the name of humanity

this has no longer to to with hamas
this has to do with humans!

Rod   January 5th, 2009 5:26 am ET

Linda
So does anyone come to this country and gets granted a citizenship right when they arrive because they are christians?
Is this country going to try to expel everyone who is not christian out of this country?

Nona   January 5th, 2009 5:31 am ET

Rod – Israel is not trying to expel everyone who is not Jewish out of its country. For heaven's sake, Arabs sit in the Knesset. At least make an effort to get your facts straight.

American Jew   January 5th, 2009 5:38 am ET

Solomon,

I agree with what you say. I don't think anyone should 'take the place of' anyone else or 'implant others at the expense of' the natives, that is why we have this mess in the region now!

To create a state, because of a religion or a culture or...(fill in the blank) at the expense/exclusion of others is at the core here, in my opinion. This is where I see a flaw with Jamil's logic.

No one! should be deprived of justice at the expense of another people.

Justice does need to be there for ALL., absolutely–including Israelis.

I question the wisdom of Zionism continuing in its present form, but do not condone the removal of justice for anyone.

This is where the quagmire starts...and the complications.

Anger , fear and hate will prevent justice and equality for all from taking place for years to come (short of a miracle)

I sure don't have the answer, but these are my observations.

We all are far from living in an ideal world.

My thoughts.

Bloody Hands   January 5th, 2009 5:44 am ET

This crap makes me sick. I am a American and very ashamed to tell anyone.I am not anti or pro anybody but when I see wrong I know wrong.The U.S.A. has more blood on their hands than Hamas or Israel.Harry Reid says the U.S. would do the same thing if someone were to shoot into the states.Mexicans shoot at our border patrol everyday and we have not gone in Mexico and killing little children and women.The U.S. sells all the fire power that Israel has.And I am sorry to say but I can only laugh when I see the news on one side you have tanks jets 1000 pound bombs and on the other side you a crowd on men throwing stones haha.And one last thing the news says 4 dead in Israel and over 400 dead in Gaza.And It is also funny that Israel will not let the news crews in Gaza with the Army.That way they can blow up a school and kill little kids and just say that the school was a Hamas hide out.This is not a war this is a massacre by the the Israeli's and anyone that can stop this and dont.

Anna A   January 5th, 2009 5:47 am ET

There is no more hope for a two state solution. Israel wants to send Gazans into Egypt and West Bank palestinians either into Jordan or Iraq. Northern Palestinians will have to go into Lebanon. IS IT FAIR? Can the we stand by and hypocritically watch this ethnic cleansing, this CRIME with a JEWISH label? How do reasonable Jews around the world feel? Are they not in danger because of Israel´s madness?

Nona   January 5th, 2009 5:47 am ET

Contrary to Jamil's statement, Arab countries have long histories of persecuting Jews in their countries. Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Morocco, and Tunisia all have histories of destroying synogogues, murdering their native Jews and confiscating their property. The blood libel originated in Syria (so-called Protocols of the Elders). There used to be 1 million Jews in Arab countries and they didn't go away because they were made to feel so welcome.

Even the newspaper of Abu Dhabi (UAE) reported that a hand grenade was thrown into a Jewish neighborhood in Sanaa (Yemen) just 2 weeks ago (see thenational.ae dated Dec. 16). Four days earlier, a Jewish teacher there was murdered in broad daylight. And why doesn't somebody research what happened to the Jews of Aleppo (Syria)? There used to be 17,000 of them.

The Egyptians were enslaving Jews even in the days of the Old Testament. Many Arab countries do not even allow Jews to visit. Try getting into one with an Israeli stamp in your passport, much less with an Israeli passport.

None of this is directly related to the crisis in Gaza, but since Jamil brought it up, it would be nice if both sides at least used the truth in their posts.

American Jew   January 5th, 2009 5:50 am ET

You are very correct, Nona!

Onion   January 5th, 2009 5:55 am ET

We don’t see thing as they are, we see them as we are.

Rod   January 5th, 2009 5:56 am ET

Nona,
I know very well what you are talking about. yes there are arab representatives in the Knesset. but don't you agree that the conditions the Occupation is imposing on palestinians aims to make them leave.

Have you read this :

Rabbi Yousef Falay: Of the Settler Movement

“wrote an article in a Zionist magazine under the title "Ways of War", in which he called for the killing of all Palestinian males refusing to flee their country, describing his idea as the practical way to ensure the non-existence of the Palestinian race…."We have to make sure that no Palestinian individual remains under our occupation. If they (Palestinians) escape then it is good; but if anyone of them remains, then he should be exterminated", the fanatic rabbi added in his article.”

Do you want more of this. I can send you hundreds of Rabbi and political statements that show the systematic pressuring of Arabs to leave Israel.

Can you tell me about the cleansing of Arab christians. They were 20% at the time of the British mandate and now only 2%:

http://www.al-bushra.org/holyland/sabella.htm

Can you tell me where is Dr. Azmi Bishara the former Knesset member now?

Did you read what Levny said about a Palestinian State and new options for Arabs in Israel? is that a desire to expel the Arabs who are citizens of the State of Israel?

Can you tell me about the Human Rights Watch report on the status of the Beduins in Israel?

(a Human Rights Watch report released Monday concludes that it’s using “discriminatory, exclusionary and punitive” policies to push the aside the Bedouin, who are descendants of Arab tribes that once roamed the Negev.)

Do you need more Facts or this is enough for now?
I think I can put more effort in this if you so desire.

Anna A   January 5th, 2009 6:01 am ET

They brought it upon themselves! My family had Jewish friends living in those countries you mentioned, many ot the had to leave (not all, by the way)because of the attrocities commited by Israel. During the centuries,skirmishes have always happened around the mediterranean countries but people generally lived as peaceful neighbours and were able to thrive and have a normal life. By the way, Jews were not slaves in Egypt during Mose's time, they were scribes, merchants, even economic advisers to the pharaos. Recent studies have proven this. How do you explain Moses being brought up as Pharao's brother, he? How do you explain Joseph´s success in Egypt, that in spite of all the "colourful" misshaps he called his brothers to join him. Slaves????

Anna A   January 5th, 2009 6:03 am ET

Rod, remeber when in Israel they threw away the blood donated by Ethiopian Jews?

CNN reader   January 5th, 2009 6:04 am ET

Israel kills cuz they say Hamas started it...

Hamas kills cuz they say Israel started it...

It's like the chicken or egg question.

Why don't people agree that that this all started when the state of Israel was created by taking away Palestinian lands? Isn't that just too simple?

CNN reader   January 5th, 2009 6:16 am ET

For those of you who aruge that Israel should exist because the UN said so, funny how then Israel continues to ignore the dozens and dozens of flagrat violations identified by the UN–everything from imposing inhuman conditions to the Palestinians to deporting them forcefully off the land to identifying Zionism as a racist and discriminatory movement.

Check out the list at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel

Israel isn't innocent and has never faced any judgement for these atrocities.

Anna A   January 5th, 2009 6:16 am ET

CNN reader; The truth is always simple, its dishonest people who twist it!

Nona   January 5th, 2009 6:28 am ET

Rod –

All religions have extremists. Rabbi Falay is an extremist and 99% of Jews throughout the world would be disgusted at what he says. Using him is an example of Judaism is as ridiculous as using Osama bin Ladin as an example of true Islam or Jim Jones as an example of true Christianity.

Dr. Azmi Bishara resigned from the Knesset amid accusations of high treason and indictments for inciting violence and supporting terrorist organizations. The treason accusation was quite reasonable considering he went to Syria and publicly proclaimed support for Hezbollah. Not exactly the brightest thing for a member of the Israeli Knesset to do, huh? I know of a president of the United States who was impeached for less. Coincidentally, it's the same president who, along with the Israeli Prime Minister, offered the Palestinians in 2001 an autonomous independent state of their own, reparations and joint governance of Jerusalem - a deal that the Palestinians rejected.

I checked out the Human Rights Watch web site and the organization does indeed call on Israel to stop its bias against bedouin. Human Rights Watch also called on world leaders to press the leadership of Saudi Arabia to reduce its religious intolerance; condemned Iran for hanging a juvenile and for its persecution of women's rights activists; urged Lebanon and Jordan to eliminate torture in their detention facilities; and urged Saudi Arabia to overturn a Riyadh court's decision to drop charges against a Saudi employer who abused an employee from Indonesia so severely that she required several surgeries, including amputation of her toes and fingers. Those are just a few examples. It has some pretty choice words for pretty much every country, including the US and Britain. Coincidentally, Human Rights Watch also urges Iran to grant Jewish prisoners its rights and expresses extreme dismay at the increased violent attacks on Jews in western Europe.

Damien Blackley   January 5th, 2009 6:30 am ET

First – Israel will not allow the world press to enter Gaza. What have they got to hide, the TRUTH.

Second – Israel will not allow aid to reach those who are the innocent victims in Gaza.

Third – Will Israel ever learn, give the Palestinian People their freedom and you will have peace?

Fatima   January 5th, 2009 6:37 am ET

I can't believe all the dummies who think it's soooo unusual for Israel not to let reporters into a war zone. It's not like Iraq & Iran were letting journalists on to the front lines of their war, or like the Taliban invite the press along for their battles. There is such a thing as military security. DUH.

Saleh   January 5th, 2009 6:48 am ET

Please don't exaggerate the damage that Hamas rockets could cause in order to allow Israel to continue the massacre in Gaza. These rockets are nothing but fireworks! The only chance for these rockets to kill somebody is by direct hit only. At the other hand, even during the cease fire, people of Gaza were living under siege where no enough water supply, power, medicine and food. All the crossing points were close. Obviously, they are living in a big prison where the basic humanitarian condition does not exist. Hamas rockets were an attempt from Hamas to cut the siege and alert the world about the miserable life that people of Gaza live.

So, what about the Israelis who live under the threat of Hamas rockets? The Fact is that pro-Israel media is trying to hide that those Israelis live in settlements that built on Palestinian land. According to the United Nations definition this is called "Occupation". Those settlers should end there occupation by moving to inside the Israeli's territory. End of Story!

jeff m   January 5th, 2009 6:59 am ET

If Israel’s military occupation of Palestinian land has been form 1963 would not meen more then 3/4 of the people in gaza do not know life without military occupation and suspession ?
can it be that hamas would stop the attakes if the military occupation would end ?

dominique   January 5th, 2009 7:03 am ET

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2451908450811690589

Its called occupation 101...
opens your eye....

Ben   January 5th, 2009 7:12 am ET

Cities of the Western World: Keep in mind that wherever there is a Pro-Palestinian demonstration there is LESS CRIME in the streets...
Your people are SAFER when the type of people who are Pro-Palestine are busy with something else...

So, let Israel protect itself – you would have done the same.

Ben   January 5th, 2009 7:18 am ET

NOBODY HERE UNDERSTANDS.

ACCORDING TO MUSLIM LAW THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF LAND:
Dar al-Islam: Land of "Peace", defined as where Muslim law prevails.
Dar al-harb: Land of war, defined as where there is something else, and hence Jihad needs to be lashed until "Peace" is achieved.

ISRAEL ACCORDING TO HAMAS SITS ON "DAR AL-HARB", HENCE "PEACE" MEANS NO MORE ISRAEL AND SHARI'A LAW IMPLEMENTED ON THE LAND.

There is NO WAY HAMAS will stop fighting, ever, unless it stops to be Muslim.

Rod   January 5th, 2009 7:19 am ET

Nona,
You are making me say what i did not say. I did not say Jews Condone Rabbi Falley.
As a Jew I am disgusted with what this Rabbi Falley is saying and with others, take Rabbi Ovadia Yosef: Spiritual leader of Shas Party (Israel’s 2nd largest party)

"It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable," (marking the Jewish festival of Passover).

I was not Blaming the Jews for what Rabbis are saying and did not have them as representative of all our people my answer was a clear proof that contradicts your statement "Israel does not expel Arabs" to show you that yes there is a systematic cleansing of the Arab Population.
Now comparing Israel to Suadi arabia and such is not a good excuse for the atrocities that israel commits.

The Deal that palestinians rejected was not a fair deal. yes they they were offered 91% of the occupied lands given over a period of time. but the Isrealis were as guilty as Arafat.

(Clayton Swisher wrote a rebuttal to Clinton and Ross's accounts about the causes for the breakdown of the Camp David Summit in his 2004 book, "The Truth About Camp David."[16] Swisher, the Director of Programs at the Middle East Institute, concluded that the Israelis and the Americans were at least as guilty as the Palestinians for the collapse. )

Dr. Bishara's statement about the right to resisting occupation was not a support for Hizbollah he was stating the right of any nation to resist occupiers as guaranteed by the Forth Geneva Convention.

I am against any Human Rights Violation anywhere in the world. so if one nation does it i am against it whether it is Israel the US or any other state. to me does not matter. I am a Human Rights activist. and I am against in Gaza and southern Israel. But again I know and you know that the occupation is the roots of the problem and the impact on the palestinians is far more grave.

Again to me it is not an excuse that other nations do it. We just cannot go around and say there is a genocide in this country and that country then it is ok for us to do the same.

Ben   January 5th, 2009 7:23 am ET

ONE MORE THING: FIRING ROCKETS IN RESPONSE TO A BLOCKADE IS NOT A PROPORTIONATE RESPONSE. IT IS ALSO A STUPID ONE.

TRY TO OPEN THE BLOCKADE BY LAYING DOWN ARMS AND STOP SMUGGLING WEAPONS. ISRAEL WILL OPEN THE BLOCKADE THE DAY IT WILL HAPPEN – IT HAS PUBLICLY SAID THAT, AND WILL DO THAT.

Chris Koka   January 5th, 2009 7:24 am ET

It's high time CNN and all the other idiotic liberal press get the facts straight.
Firstly it was the consistant and ongoing rocket fire that was ordered by the criminal Hamas organisation which is supported by a great number of Palestinaians that caused Israel to act. This means that the Palestinians have NO right to complain if they allow a group of hysterical fanatics to rule over them.
Secondly the Israelis are a tough and determined group whether you like them or not and they will go on the offensive. So one has to ask WHY did the fools in the Hamas leadership approve this rocket craziness???
Thirdly there is absolutely no way that there will ever be peace between these mad and totally stupid 2 groups of people. So the best thing for all the rest of the world is that they finally have a serious war and beat the crap out of each other until most of the hard core leadership on both sides is dead. Tough luck for the rest of the population but really who gives a flying f**k about these nuts at the wrong end of the mediterranean. Since I was born there has always been a war in the middle east. So lets stop this US liberal madness about FIXING the Middle East – let them destroy each other and get it over with.
Fifthly I want CNN to disappear for ever. You are the worst and most biased so called news service on the planet. Even Al Jazirra has more scrupals.

Nustra   January 5th, 2009 7:25 am ET

David Mark,
thanks for telling the truth.
Isreal, in my views cares more about the palestinians than the arabs. imagine Isreal making phone calls to palestinians to flee and to avoid some places, thus exposing their military tactics.
no country in the world will do this. I think IDF is the most humane military in the world.
unfortunately, news media like CNN will always portray the wounded civilians in gaza to give maka a devil out if Isreal.
arabs are well know for lies and exergeration, the number of casualties can be far lower than u are seeing. (eg: whn a wounded is being brought to a hospital, more than 10 people rush to carry him....meaning they have more staff to attend to few wounded. and am not seeing too many women and children wounded and the numbers state)
besides, palestinians still make international calls.....that does not show too much waring to me.

Rod   January 5th, 2009 7:25 am ET

dominique,

Excellent Video!

I hope those who make excuses for the occupation see it and put themselves in the shoes of the occupied. Then if they like occupation they can go and live in Gaza. If they don't, they should be brave and say that they condemn occupation where ever it was.

USA David   January 5th, 2009 7:28 am ET

Look were israel is all around them everything and everyone is Arab.When the US put the the jews in the middle east what the hell were they thinking.I think the US was thinking the futher away they are the better off we will be.Instead of starting Israel in the middle of an all Arab part of the world why in the hell not just give the jews Alaska and call it Israel??

Ben   January 5th, 2009 7:29 am ET

Rod: The killings against Jews on behalf of Muslims started long before any occupation.

In 1940, al-Husseini, Chief of Arab Higher Committee (then representing all Arab states) requested the Axis powers (the Nazis and their allies) to acknowledge the Arab right:

* ... to settle the question of Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries in accordance with the national and racial interests of the Arabs and along the lines similar to those used to solve the Jewish question in Germany and Italy."

If you didn't understand, since 1940 the stated goal of the Arab nations was to DESTROY AND KILL JEWS WHEREVER THEY ARE WITH ACCORDANCE TO THE NAZI'S PHILOSOPHY.

It is not about land, it is about the clash of civilizations. If Israel were to return tomorrow all of land, it will face missile attach on all of its cities. It's just the way it is – LOSE LOSE SITUATION.

nona   January 5th, 2009 7:32 am ET

Here's another one you'll love Dominique!

nona   January 5th, 2009 7:36 am ET

ooooo! And don't miss this gem!

USA David   January 5th, 2009 7:43 am ET

I am 100% red blooded american and the truth be told america has got more blood on its hands than Israel.Everything that Israel has to fight with came from the U.S. Israel is calling this a war but it is really a blood bath-murder. Look while Israel is bombing Gaza with american made tanks and jets with 1000 ton bombs fox news and cnn news shows people carrying dead children and throwing rocks at the AMERICAN MADE-ISRAELI ARMY.

Chris Koka   January 5th, 2009 7:45 am ET

By the time you people have MODERATED my post I will likely be on the moon.
Stop your stupid censorship and let people post what ever they want to – OOOOOHHHH Now that would be really LIBERAL !!!

Nustra   January 5th, 2009 7:47 am ET

wait a sec...
are we saying that all the dead and wounded in this conflect comes from Israeli fire?
is it possiible tht scred hamas fighters might have wounded/killed some of this people?

if hamas cares for this pwople, let them drop their weapons, they know isreal have bigger guns, why fight a war you can't win?
am tired of protesters asking Israel to cieze fire, why don't they ask hamas to do the same.

Rod   January 5th, 2009 7:56 am ET

it is just ridiculous how some people here are for Violence. I just cannot get you guys
your youtube links sent me to other youtube links
do you guys want to see this:

Those like you who want violence teach violence to their kids. Does not matter which side of terror you are on.
It is a sad world.

Rod   January 5th, 2009 7:59 am ET

I will leave you with the Rabbi Michael Lerner's article :
"It breaks my heart to see Israel's stupidity"
Hope some of you can READ and THINK
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article5446519.ece

Ben   January 5th, 2009 8:05 am ET

FACTS:
1. THERE WAS NEVER PALESTINE STATE. NEVER.
2. THE STATE OF ISRAEL WAS OVER THE SAME LAND AS IT IS NOW 2,000 YEARS AGO AND FOR MANY CENTURIES.
3. THE TERM "PALESTINIAN" IS RELATIVELY MODERN. THERE IS NO SUCH PEOPLE GOING BACK MORE THAN 300 YEARS.
4. JERUSALEM IS NOT MENTIONED IN QU'RAN. NOT EVEN ONCE.
5. JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE MORE THAN 600 TIMES.

So if anyone should go anywhere, it's the Palestinians. Israel has a right to exist in Peace, as a home for the Jewish people.

nona   January 5th, 2009 8:06 am ET

Rod, the youtube video you posted is just a really bad propaganda montage made by a random youtube poster and has no sourcing whatsoever.

The ones I posted are clips from actual programs broadcast on Hamas and Saudi television stations, sanctioned by the official governments which own the stations that broadcast those shows to millions of their citizens.

Show me an anti-Palestinian children's program aired on Israeli or American television stations. Show me Israeli or American children who are taught to say, "Muslims are pigs and apes" and then filmed and aired on national television programs. You can't.

Ben   January 5th, 2009 8:13 am ET

WHO IS TO BLAME? LIST OF ATTACKS MADE BY MUSLIMS, LIKE HAMAS, IN THE PAST 2 MONTHS AROUND THE WORLD:

Date Country City Killed Injured Description
1/4/2009 Pakistan Di Khan 10 25 Islamic bombers blast at least ten people to death in an attack at a college campus.
1/4/2009 Thailand Pattani 1 1 Muslim gunmen murder a man and injure his wife as they are riding in their vehicle.
1/3/2009 Iraq Baghdad 4 16 Shia pilgrims are among the victims of two Sunni bombing attacks.
1/2/2009 Iraq al-Yusufiyah 23 110 A Fedayeen suicide bomber wades into a lunch crowd at a reconciliation meeting between Sunni and Shia leaders, killing twenty-three.
1/2/2009 Pakistan Swat 3 0 Three civilians are shot to death in two attacks.
1/2/2009 Pakistan Balogram 2 0 Two policemen are abducted by Islamists and gruesomely tortured to death.
1/2/2009 Pakistan Bajaur 1 0 Muslim terrorists shoot a tribal elder to death.
1/2/2009 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 A local cleric is shot to death by al-Shabaab radicals in his home in front of his blind mother.
1/2/2009 Pakistan Mingora 1 0 A local dancing girl is quickly gunned down by Islamists after her husband kicks her out of the house.
1/2/2009 Somalia Mogadishu 9 0 Two soldiers and seven civilians are killed in an Mujahid bombing and the ensuing fire fight.
1/1/2009 Somalia Baidoa 1 0 A member of a reconciliation committee is murdered by Islamic militia.
1/1/2009 Somalia Mogadishu 2 0 Two local officials are assassinated by Mujahideen.
1/1/2009 Pakistan Peshawar 3 6 Three policemen are killed by two Religion of Peace bombs.
1/1/2009 Pakistan Swat 3 0 Three people are shot to death by Islamic terrorists in separate attacks.
1/1/2009 Pakistan Bajaur 4 16 Four civilians are killed when Mujahideen fire rockets into an office complex.
1/1/2009 Iraq Mosul 3 5 A Shahid takes out three Iraqis.
1/1/2009 Somalia Afgoye 1 0 A journalist is killed during an attack by Islamic militia.
12/31/2008 Philippines Bagong 1 0 Moro Islamists gun down a civilian.
12/31/2008 Iraq Baghdad 14 66 Four members of a religious minority are among fourteen killed by Islamists in four attacks.
12/31/2008 Denmark Odense 0 2 A Muslim shoots two Jewish vendors at a shopping mall.
12/31/2008 Somalia Baidoa 1 0 A woman is shot to death by Islamic fundamentalists over an 'illicit' relationship.
12/31/2008 Philippines General Santos 0 22 Moro Islamists toss a grenade into a New Years Eve celebration, injuring over twenty.
12/31/2008 Afghanistan Helmand 21 0 A mother pleading for her son's life is among twenty-one persons shot in cold blood by the Taliban.
12/31/2008 Pakistan Mir Ali 1 0 A 28-year-old man is kidnapped and murdered by the Taliban.
12/31/2008 Pakistan Darra Adamkhel 4 6 Three women and a child are killed when Muslim terrorists fire a rocket into their home.
12/30/2008 Philippines Esperanza 1 0 A 17-year-old Christian taxi driver is killed by a bomb planted by Muslim radicals.
12/30/2008 Pakistan Mingora 1 0 A local official is assassinated by Muslim militants.
12/30/2008 Iraq Jalawla 1 0 Suspected al-Qaeda gun down a tribal leader.
12/29/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 5 10 At least five civilians are killed, including a young child, when Islamists bomb a market.
12/29/2008 Israel Ashkelon 1 7 Hamas rockets hit an Israeli home, killing a resident.
12/29/2008 Afghanistan Kabul 2 17 Two Afghan civilians are blown to bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
12/29/2008 Israel Ashdod 1 1 A mother of four is killed by a Palestinian rocket.
12/29/2008 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A Shahid suicide bomber takes out a shopper at a grocery.
12/29/2008 Pakistan Gwalirai 2 0 Two men, abducted days earlier, are murdered in captivity by the Taliban.
12/29/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 1 A woman is shot to death on her way to work by Muslim terrorists. Three others are killed elsewhere.
12/29/2008 Iraq Mahaweel 3 0 A mother and daughter are among three people killed by Sunni bombers.
12/28/2008 Iraq Mosul 4 20 A 12-year-old boy is among four civilians taken out by a suicide bomber on a bicycle.
12/28/2008 Pakistan Buner 43 16 Religious extremists take out over forty people at a polling station with car bombs. Five children are among the dead.
12/28/2008 Thailand Yala 1 0 Islamic gunmen murder a man in a tea shop.
12/28/2008 Iraq Fallujah 4 10 Four Iraqis are murdered in two Jihad bombings.
12/28/2008 Pakistan Miranshah 3 0 Three young civilians, including an 18-year-old, are kidnapped and hung by Taliban militants.
12/28/2008 Afghanistan Khost 16 58 Fourteen children on their way to school are deliberately murdered along with two adults by a suicidal Sunni bomber.
12/27/2008 Israel Netivot 1 4 Hamas rockets kill an Israeli man and injure four others.
12/27/2008 Afghanistan Kandahar 5 5 Five Afghans are blown up by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
12/27/2008 Afghanistan Kabul 3 0 Three teenage sisters are crushed to death by a Taliban rocket barrage.
12/27/2008 Iraq Baghdad 24 45 Women and children are among two dozen people blasted to death by Jihadi car bombers.
12/26/2008 Pal. Auth. Beit Lahiya 2 0 Two young girls are killed when a Palestinian rocket hits their home.
12/26/2008 Pakistan Gilgit 5 0 A child is among five people shot dead in a sectarian ambush.
12/26/2008 India Kishtwar 1 0 Mujahideen abduct a man, then murder him in a wooded area.
12/26/2008 Pakistan Bajaur 1 9 A child is killed during a Taliban rocket attack.
12/25/2008 Iraq Baghdad 4 24 Sunni extremists bomb a restaurant, killing four patrons.
12/25/2008 Iraq Muqdadiyah 3 12 A Fedayeen suicide bomber takes out three other people.
12/25/2008 Iraq Bishkan 1 1 A 13-year-old is murdered in her home by Jihadi invaders.
12/24/2008 Pakistan Lahore 1 4 Muslim bombers take out a woman along a city street.
12/24/2008 Philippines Kalamansig 1 0 Moro Islamists fire at a motorboat, killing a passenger.
12/24/2008 Iraq Fallujah 3 4 Three children are killed in a suspected al-Qaeda roadside attack.
12/23/2008 Pakistan Swat 4 0 A man and his wife are among four people murdered by Mujahideen in three attacks.
12/23/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 7 An Islamist shooting and bombing leave one dead and seven injured.
12/23/2008 Iraq Kifl 1 0 A man is kidnapped and tortured to death by Religion of Peace militants.
12/23/2008 Iraq Mosul 2 6 A child and doctor are murdered by Islamic terrorists.
12/23/2008 Philippines Isabela 0 26 Abu Sayyaf members toss two grenades into a group of people enjoying a musical performance.
12/23/2008 Philippines Sultan Kudarat 9 8 Moro Islamists storm two villages and shoot nine civilians to death.
12/23/2008 Pakistan Mingora 2 0 A beggar woman and her daughter are gunned down at point-blank range by Holy Warriors.
12/23/2008 Iraq Tarmiyah 5 4 A man and his wife are among two people blasted to death by Jihad bombers.
12/22/2008 Afghanistan Ghazni 3 4 A suicide bomber takes out three civilians.
12/22/2008 India Baramulla 2 0 Two local soldiers are shot to death at close range by Muslim assassins at a market.
12/22/2008 Pakistan Swat 6 8 Two women are among six civilians killed by Mujahideen in three incidents.
12/22/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 7 22 Seven civilians are killed during an attack by Islamic guerrillas
12/21/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 50-year-old civilian is murdered by Muslim gunmen on his way home.
12/21/2008 Pakistan Swat 3 0 Mujahideen drag three people out of their home and shoot them in cold blood. The victims include a man and his son.
12/21/2008 Pakistan Bannu 2 0 Islamic militants rocket a government building, killing two people.
12/21/2008 Pakistan North Waziristan 2 0 Two brothers are brutally kidnapped and murdered by Sunni extremists.
12/20/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 7 A woman standing outside a convenience store is murdered by Islamic bombers. Children are injured as well.
12/20/2008 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 49-year-old security guard is shot to death by Muslim radicals as he leaves his home.
12/19/2008 Iraq Baghdad 7 0 Islamists behead seven Iraqis.
12/19/2008 Pakistan Khyber 3 0 Three civilians are killed when Sunni militants open fire on an empty fuel tanker.
12/19/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 1 10 A civilian is shot to death during an attack by Jabalu Islamiya terrorists.
12/18/2008 Pakistan Hangu 4 1 A child is among four peope shot to death by Islamists in three attacks.
12/18/2008 Iraq Diyala 2 17 Two Iraqis are taken out by roadside bombers.
12/18/2008 Iraq Kirkuk 1 0 A female women's rights activist is beheaded in her home by Islamic terrorists.
12/18/2008 Philippines Iligan 3 47 Islamists detonate nail-packed bombs at two shopping malls in Christian areas, killing at least three people.
12/17/2008 Iraq Baghdad 18 53 Eighteen innocent souls are snuffed out by Jihadi bombers along a city street.
12/17/2008 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 16-year-old boy is shot to death outside of a 7-Eleven by Mujahideen.
12/17/2008 Pakistan Matta 2 0 Taliban militants abduct and kill two locals.
12/17/2008 Pakistan Wana 1 0 A civilian is shot to death by religious extremists.
12/17/2008 Pakistan Jamrud 1 1 A woman is killed, and a child injured, in a Taliban rocket attack on a vehicle.
12/17/2008 Pakistan Kanju 2 0 A couple is murdered for having unmarried sex.
12/16/2008 Pakistan Swat 2 0 Islamic terrorists gun down two people in separate attacks.
12/16/2008 Iraq Baghdad 1 3 A 13-year-old child is taken out by Islamic bombers.
12/16/2008 Iraq Mosul 8 16 Two suicide bombings leave eight Iraqis dead.
12/16/2008 Iraq Baghdad 3 15 Jihadis place a bomb near a college campus, killing three people.
12/16/2008 Thailand Yala 3 1 Muslim terrorists shoot three people to death at a market, including a woman
12/16/2008 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Two young guards escorting a teacher are gunned down by Muslim radicals.
12/15/2008 Thailand Narathiwat 2 1 A 4-year-old child is among three people shot by Islamists in two attacks.
12/15/2008 Iraq Sinjar 7 3 Women and children are among seven members of a religious minority sect slaughtered in their home by suspected Sunnis.
12/15/2008 Iraq Khan Dhari 9 31 Nine Iraqi police are blown apart by a Fedayeen car bomber at a checkpoint.
12/15/2008 Pakistan Swat 6 3 Six locals are murdered – two beheaded – by Taliban fundamentalists in three attacks.
12/15/2008 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 53-year-old man is gunned down in front of a food shop by Islamic terrorists.
12/15/2008 Iraq Tarmiya 1 1 A female suicide bomber takes out an Iraqi man and seriously injures his son.
12/14/2008 Afghanistan Paktika 1 0 A musician is kidnapped and killed by Taliban fundamentalists for defying a ban on music.
12/14/2008 Pakistan Jamrud 2 1 Mujahideen shoot two tribal elders to death along a road.
12/14/2008 Pakistan Mandal Daag 9 3 Sunni extremists murder a rival cleric and eight of his followers.
12/14/2008 Afghanistan Kandahar 3 11 Three Afghans are murdered by a Taliban bomb hidden in a street vendor cart.
12/13/2008 Philippines Basilan 3 3 A woman is among three people murdered in their home by Moro Islamists.
12/13/2008 Pakistan Miranshah 2 0 Islamists slit one man's throat and shoot another to death.
12/13/2008 Pakistan Matta 4 0 Four tribesmen are shot to death by the Taliban.
12/13/2008 India Doda 1 2 Mujahideen gun down a woman in her home.
12/13/2008 Pakistan Swat 5 0 Five civilians are killed in a terrorist landmine attack.
12/12/2008 Thailand Yala 3 3 Three border guards are killed when Islamic militants open up on them with automatic weapons.
12/12/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 2 Jihadis kill a man and seriously injure two others with a planted bomb in a karaoke bar.
12/11/2008 Iraq Kirkuk 55 120 Fifty-five Iraqis are blown to bits at a restaurant by Shahid suicide bombers.
12/11/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 10 11 Children are among ten people killed during an attack by Islamic militia.
12/11/2008 Yemen Reida 1 0 A Jewish leader is gunned down by a Muslim shouting, 'Jew, receive the message of Islam.'
12/11/2008 Afghanistan Helmand 4 1 Religious extremists trick a 13-year-old boy into carrying explosives to British troops, which were then detonated remotely.
12/11/2008 Pakistan Matta 3 4 Tehrik-e-Taliban terrorists gun down three locals.
12/10/2008 Iraq Jalawla 1 2 A civilian is taken out in a Jihad bomb blast.
12/9/2008 Philippines Maguindanao 1 8 A local soldier is killed when Moro Islamists open fire on them with automatic weapons.
12/9/2008 Pakistan Buner 1 4 A 10-year-old child is murdered by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
12/8/2008 India Bharatpur 2 0 A man reclaims his honor by shooting his daughter and her boyfriend after learning of their sexual relationship.
12/7/2008 Pakistan Peshawar 1 0 The Taliban murder a local security guard at a depot.
12/7/2008 Iraq Baquba 3 39 Jihadis kill three Iraqis with a bomb hidden in a shop.
12/6/2008 Afghanistan Kunar 4 2 Four local soldiers are killed when religious extremists attack their vehicle with a roadside bomb.
12/6/2008 Pakistan Swat 3 0 Three civilians are gunned down by suspected Taliban.
12/6/2008 Iraq Babel 4 0 Four children are killed by a landmine planted near a soccer field by suspected Sunnis.
12/6/2008 Iraq Kirkuk 1 15 A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills only one other person.
12/6/2008 Iraq Wajihiya 3 4 al-Qaeda gunmen attack a Sunni village, killing three people.
12/6/2008 Somalia Baidoa 3 0 An Islamic militia member tosses a grenade into a market, killing three civilians.
12/5/2008 Pakistan Bannu 2 3 Taliban militants kill two policemen with a rocket attack.
12/5/2008 Pakistan Mir Ali 1 0 Sunni extremists abduct and murder an 30-year-old man.
12/5/2008 Pakistan Orakzai 10 5 Religious extremists take out ten shoppers at a bazaar with a suicide blast.
12/5/2008 Pakistan Peshawar 34 131 Twenty-nine people at a marketplace are blown to bits by sectarian car bombers.
12/5/2008 Thailand Narathiwat 5 12 Five people are killed at a grocery by Islamic bombers.
12/5/2008 Iraq Baghdad 2 2 Mujahideen bombers take out two Iraqis.
12/4/2008 Afghanistan Khost 5 10 Five people are killed in two suicide attacks by Sunni extremists.
12/4/2008 Pakistan Bahawalpur 1 0 A young girl is clubbed to death by her uncle on suspicion of 'illicit relations.'
12/4/2008 Iraq Fallujah 15 147 Women and children are among fifteen Iraqis blasted to death by Jihadi car bombers.
12/4/2008 Dagestan Khasavyurt 1 0 A woman is killed by Islamic car bombers outside an apartment building.
12/4/2008 Thailand Pattani 2 0 A 60-year-old man is among two people gunned down by Muslim separatists.
12/4/2008 Iraq Albu Toma 25 0 Twenty-five al-Qaeda victims are found in mass graves.
12/4/2008 Iran Bluchistan 16 0 Jundullah terrorists kidnap and execute sixteen Iranian nationals.
12/3/2008 Pakistan Shabqadar 5 6 Five locals are killed by a Fedayeen car bomber.
12/3/2008 Iraq Albu Toma 13 0 Thirteen victims of al-Qaeda kidnappings are found in a mass grave.
12/3/2008 Chechnya Grozny 3 0 Three people are shot inside their home by suspected Mujahideen.
12/2/2008 Iraq Tal Afar 5 30 Jihadis successfully kill five Iraqis with a car bomb.
12/2/2008 Dagestan Makhachkala 1 4 Suspected Muslim militants gun down a cop.
12/2/2008 Pakistan Sunpag 1 0 Religious extremists abduct a local official, keep him for a few days, then slaughter him and stuff his body in a bag.
12/2/2008 Pakistan Kabal 1 0 A civilian is shot to death by Islamic terrorists.
12/2/2008 Iraq Mosul 4 12 Two young children are among four killed when Mujahideen place a bomb outside a school.
12/1/2008 Iraq Baghdad 16 35 Sixteen police recruits are murdered by two Jihad bombers at their academy.
12/1/2008 Afghanistan Musa Qala 10 25 Ten shoppers are blown up by a suicide bomber at a market.
12/1/2008 Iraq Mosul 15 25 A Fedayeen suicide bomber takes out fifteen civilians along a city street.
12/1/2008 Afghanistan Ghazni 1 0 A local official is assassinated by religious extremists.
12/1/2008 Pakistan Swat 11 66 Women are among the casualties of a horrific suicide attack on a traffic checkpoint. Eleven are killed.
12/1/2008 Pakistan Peshawar 2 0 Taliban militants attack a supply convoy, killing two drivers.
12/1/2008 Thailand Yala 1 0 Muslim terrorists gun down a rubber tapper in his orchard.
11/30/2008 Dagestan Makhachkala 4 0 Muslim gunmen shoot four people to death.
11/30/2008 Pakistan North Waziristan 1 0 The Taliban abduct and murder an Afghan civilian.
11/30/2008 Pakistan Peshawar 1 1 A local driver is killed when Sunni militants lob rockets into a terminal.
11/30/2008 Pakistan Bannu 6 5 Six local police are killed in two Taliban ambushes.
11/30/2008 Afghanistan Kabul 2 3 A streetsweeper is among two civilians blown up by a suicide bomber.
11/29/2008 Iraq Albu Toma 38 0 Thirty-eight victims of sectarian violence within the Religion of Peace are found in a mass grave.
11/29/2008 Iraq Mosul 3 18 Two brothers are among three killed in an attack on a jewelry shop by Sunni terrorists.
11/29/2008 Iraq Baghdad 3 12 Three people are murdered by an Iranian-made rocket fired by Mujahideen.
11/29/2008 Somalia Baidoa 2 10 Two people are killed in blasts by suspected Islamic milita.
11/29/2008 Chechnya Enginoy 1 0 A woman is shot to death over suspected immoral behavior.
11/28/2008 Iraq Mussayab 12 18 Twelve people at a mosque are blown to bits by rival sectarian bombers.
11/28/2008 Iraq Kut 1 2 A child is killed when Muslim militants fire a rocket into a home.
11/28/2008 Iraq Baghdad 2 10 A Fedayeen suicide car bomber kills two civilians.
11/28/2008 India Mumbai 5 0 Five Jewish hostages, including a rabbi and his wife, are murdered by Islamists.
11/28/2008 Pakistan Bannu 7 16 Six civilians and a cop are murdered by a suicide bomber along a city street.
11/28/2008 Pakistan Gharibabad 6 0 Three women and a child are among six member of a family murdered in their home by the Mujahideen.
11/28/2008 Nigeria Jos 6 0 Six Christian pastors are among hundreds killed when Muslim rioter stage a deadly church-burning rampage.
11/28/2008 Nigeria Jos 2 0 Two Christians are macheted to death after a cleric inspires his followers to 'kill unbelievers."
11/27/2008 Pakistan Swat 6 0 Six people are shot to death by Sunni extremists in separate attacks, including a brutal abduction.
11/27/2008 Afghanistan Kabul 4 18 A suicide car bomber takes out four local civilians outside the US embassy.
11/27/2008 Iraq Mosul 2 28 Suicide bombers successfully take out two Iraqi civilians.
11/27/2008 Afghanistan Badghis 13 11 Thirteen local security personnel are killed in an ambush by religious extremists.
11/26/2008 Dagestan Makhachkala 1 0 A border guard is shot and killed by Muslim militants.
11/26/2008 Dagestan Khasavyurt 1 2 A police officer is gunned down outside a mosque by Jihad terrorists.
11/26/2008 Chechnya Grozny 6 0 Six women are shot in the head and chest over suspected immorality in separate attacks.
11/26/2008 Pakistan Peshawar 2 6 Two residents are killed when the Taliban fire rockets into their home.
11/26/2008 Iraq Samarrah 6 0 Six people are murdered by local Jihadists.
11/26/2008 Iraq Diyala 23 0 Twenty-three victims of sectarian terrorists are found in a mass grave.
11/26/2008 Philippines Makir 1 3 Moro Islamists ambush a group of local soldiers guarding a highway, killing one.
11/26/2008 India Mumbai 178 370 Mujahideen throw grenades and machine-gun over one-hundred and fifty civilians and tourists to death as they attack several sites, including a hotel, cafe, market and train station.
11/26/2008 Russia Vladikavkaz 1 0 A mayor is assassinated by local terrorists, who call him an "enemy of Allah."
11/25/2008 Pakistan Kohat 0 0 Four persons, including a mother and child, are killed when sectarian Jihadis fire into a vehicle.
11/25/2008 Somalia Baidoa 1 0 A local officer is shot several times in the chest by Islamists at a market.
11/25/2008 Iraq Mosul 2 5 Two Americans are shot to death while handing out humanitarian aid.
11/25/2008 Pakistan Matta 3 5 A butcher is among three people gunned down by the Taliban in separate attacks.
11/25/2008 Pakistan Shahdra 1 0 A Muslim lad hacks his stepmother to death with an axe over 'illicit relations.'
11/25/2008 Pakistan Hangu 4 9 Shia militants open fire in a hotel, murdering eight Sunni rivals.
11/25/2008 India Mumbai 4 0 Islamic terrorists hijack a boat in Pakistan and kill the four man crew.
11/25/2008 India Baramulla 1 2 A 14-year-old boy is killed when Islamists throw a grenade into a roadshow.
11/24/2008 Thailand Yala 3 1 Islamists gun down three civilians and severely injure a teacher in separate attacks.
11/24/2008 India Doda 1 0 A civilian is murdered in his home by Muslim terrorists.
11/24/2008 Dagestan Karabudakhent 2 3 Muslim rebels open fire on a group of policemen, killing two.
11/24/2008 Iraq Baghdad 5 24 A female suicide bomber takes out five Iraqis.
11/24/2008 Iraq Baghdad 13 6 Women and children are heavily represented in the thirteen bus passengers massacred by Mujahideen bombers.
11/24/2008 Pakistan Mingora 1 0 Religious extremists execute a woman in her home for immoral behavior.
11/24/2008 Pakistan Kabal 1 0 Mujahid assassinate a local political activist.
11/23/2008 Ingushetia Nazran 1 0 Islamic militants kill an off-duty cop at a grocery store.
11/23/2008 Iraq Muwaylaha 9 0 Nine kidnap victims of an Islamic milita are found in a mass grave.
11/23/2008 Chechnya Sadovyi 5 4 Mujahideen murder five security personnel and a civilian in two attacks.
11/22/2008 Afghanistan Kunar 0 0 After being held in captivity for three months, the Taliban execute a local official when their demands are not met.
11/22/2008 Afghanistan Khost 2 15 A 15-year-old boy and a man are blown to bits when Holy Warriors bomb a vegetable market.
11/22/2008 Iraq Iskandariya 10 0 Two women are among ten people found executed in a mass grave in a Sunni stronghold.
11/22/2008 Afghanistan Ghazni 1 0 A local civilian is captured and shot to death by Sunni radicals.
11/22/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 15 75 At least fifteen civilians are killed in attacks by Islamic militias on security forces.
11/22/2008 Ingushetia Nazran 1 0 A cafe worker is gunned down by Muslim rebels.
11/22/2008 Pakistan Hangu 5 8 Two children are among five killed when Islamists set a bomb off inside a rival mosque.
11/22/2008 Afghanistan Kabul 1 1 Sunni extremists kill a French de-miner with a landmine.
11/22/2008 Pakistan Mingora 1 0 Religious extremists burn down a video store and shoot a civilian to death.
11/22/2008 Pakistan Bannu 3 0 A Taliban rocket attack on a police post leaves three dead.
11/21/2008 Iraq Baghdad 3 15 Mujahideen take out three Iraqis with a roadside bomb.
11/21/2008 Afghanistan Zabul 3 4 Three civilians are blown to bits by a suicide car bomber.
11/21/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 9 20 Five children are among nine civilians killed in a rolling series of attacks by Islamic militia in residential areas.
11/21/2008 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 11 40 Radical Sunnis gun down a Shia cleric, then bomb his funeral, murdering eight others.
11/21/2008 Pakistan Hangu 1 0 Religious extremists fire a rocket at a checkpoint, killing a policeman.
11/21/2008 Iran Tehran 1 0 A 43-year-old businessman is tortured by police into a "confession" then executed as a spy.
11/20/2008 Pakistan Bajaur 9 6 A suicide bomber enters a rival mosque and takes out nine innocents.
11/20/2008 Iraq Mosul 5 0 Two women are among five people murdered by terrorists while sitting in their vehicle.
11/20/2008 Afghanistan Khost 8 13 A Fedayeen suicide bomber detonates outside an office building, sending eight Afghans to Allah.
11/20/2008 Iraq Kut 5 0 Sunni extremists invade a home and kill five residents, including children.
11/19/2008 Yemen Joaar 5 0 al-Qaeda terrorists gun down four local cops and a civilian.
11/19/2008 Pakistan Islamabad 2 0 Two men are shot to death by Mujahideen along a city street.
11/19/2008 Dagestan Buynaksk 1 0 A local cop is gunned down by suspected Muslim militants.
11/18/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 1 Mujahideen gun down a woman and her son on their way to work at a plantation.
11/18/2008 Thailand Yala 1 1 Islamists gun down a soldier shopping at a local market as well as his wife, who came to his defense.
11/18/2008 Iraq Baghdad 15 0 Fifteen bodies are found beneath a house controlled by the militia of a Shiite cleric.
11/18/2008 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Two Buddhists are shot to death by Muslim militants, who then mutilate the bodies and take amputated arms.
11/17/2008 Pakistan Swat 4 3 Four Pakistanis are blown apart by a suicide car bomber.
11/17/2008 Afghanistan Kandahar 4 8 Religious extremists murder four civilians with a roadside bomb.
11/17/2008 Ingushetia Nazran 1 1 Islamic separatists shoot a married couple in their car, killing the man and putting his wife in the hospital.
11/17/2008 Afghanistan Farah 6 4 Talibanis ambush a group of local soldiers, shooting some and beheading others.
11/17/2008 Thailand Pattani 3 0 A 73-year-old woman is among three civilians murdered by Religion of Peace gunmen in separate attacks.
11/17/2008 Afghanistan Dand 3 2 Three Afghans are murdered by a suicide bomber.
11/17/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 44-year-old security guard is shot three times by Islamic terrorists while riding his motorbike.
11/17/2008 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 A civilian is killed, and his 8-year-old daughter badly injured, when Islamic gunmen fire on their pickup truck.
11/16/2008 Iraq Jalawla 15 20 A Fedayeen detonates himself in a crowd, sending fifteen innocent souls to Allah.
11/16/2008 Somalia Baidoa 3 10 A child and two women are blown to bits by Muslim bombers at a marketplace.
11/16/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 2 2 Islamists open fire on a car, killing two businessmen.
11/16/2008 Pakistan Anayat Kalley 1 0 A tribal elder is killed in a brutal ambush by a group of Taliban.
11/16/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Islamists shoot a man to death outside a mosque.
11/16/2008 Thailand Yala 1 0 A young man is murdered outside his home by Muslim gunmen.
11/16/2008 Iraq Baghdad 3 6 Jihadis manage to kill three Iraqis with a roadside bomb.
11/15/2008 Somalia Yaqshid 2 0 Two civilians are killed during an ambush by Islamic extremists.
11/15/2008 Iraq Tal Afar 9 40 Mujahideen plant a car bomb at a car dealership, killing nine employees and customers.
11/15/2008 Iraq Baghdad 3 25 Three people are killed when terrorists detonate a bomb near a theatre.
11/15/2008 Philippines Sarangani 2 0 Moro Islamists murder two local soldiers with a landmine.
11/14/2008 Afghanistan Khost 3 0 Three construction workers are shot to death by Sunni extremists.
11/14/2008 Pakistan Ramora 2 0 A young man is forced by honor to kill his sister and her lover after finding them in a compromising position.
11/13/2008 Philippines Mindanao 3 0 A 5-year-old boy is among three civilians killed by Moro Islamists during an assault.
11/13/2008 Iraq Ramadi 4 3 A Fedayeen suicide bomber murders four people.
11/13/2008 Afghanistan Nangarhar 9 74 Islamic suicide bombers hit a livestock market, sending nine innocents to Allah.
11/13/2008 Dagestan Urguba 1 1 Suspected Islamists gun down a local cop at point-blank range.
11/12/2008 Iraq Baghdad 21 87 Nearly two dozen Iraqis are successfully killed by Mujahideen bombers in three attacks.
11/12/2008 Afghanistan Kandahar 6 42 Six people are killed when a suicide bomber flattens a commercial district.
11/12/2008 Iraq Mosul 2 0 Two Christian sisters are shot to death inside their home by Muslim militants.
11/12/2008 Pakistan Peshawar 2 0 An American humanitarian worker and his driver are murdered by Islamic radicals.
11/12/2008 Afghanistan Kandahar 0 3 Religious extremists spray three teenage schoolgirls with acid while they are walking to school.
11/12/2008 Afghanistan Farah 1 0 A religious cleric who condemned suicide bombings is kidnapped and executed in captivity by the Taliban.
11/12/2008 Pakistan Charsadda 6 15 A half dozen people are murdered by a Fedayeen suicide car bomber.
11/11/2008 Thailand Yala 2 0 Two laborers are shot to death by Islamic militants in separate attacks.
11/11/2008 Thailand Pattani 2 0 A 79-year-old woman is murdered along with her son by Muslim terrorists as she is walking home.
11/11/2008 Iraq Baghdad 3 15 Mujahideen target newpaper vendors with bombs, killing at least three.
11/11/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A Buddhist civilian is shot to death at close range by Islamists.
11/11/2008 Pakistan Peshawar 4 13 A suicide bomber murders four people outside a sports stadium.
11/10/2008 Pakistan Orakzai 1 9 Sunni extremists fire on a passenger bus, killing one person.
11/10/2008 Dubai Umm Suqeim 1 1 A brother stabs his sister's lover to death in an honor killing. (The woman is also stabbed, but survives).
11/10/2008 Iraq Baqubah 7 12 al-Qaeda sends a 13-year-old female suicide bomber to a gathering where seven people are killed.
11/10/2008 Iraq Baghdad 30 68 Two Sunni suicide bombers massacre thirty Shia civilians outside a fine arts school.
11/10/2008 Thailand Narathiwat 1 5 Islamists kill a local soldier with a roadside bomb.
11/9/2008 Philippines Pikit 2 3 A 12-year-old boy and 10-year-old girl are brutally gunned down by Islamic extremists.
11/9/2008 Philippines Maguindanao 2 0 Two locals are abduted and shot to death by Moro Islamists.
11/9/2008 Iraq Fallujah 3 5 Two woman and a 10-year-old girl are blown to bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
11/9/2008 Algeria Jijel 1 0 Islamic fundamentalists murder a 52-year-old civilian.
11/9/2008 Afghanistan Herat 2 4 A suicide bomber yells 'Allah Akbar' then detonates along a highway, killing two Spanish soldiers.
11/9/2008 Pakistan Matta 1 0 A woman is pumped full of bullets after being found guilty of adultery by a Sharia court.
11/8/2008 Pakistan North Waziristan 2 0 Two civilians are abducted, then riddled with bullets by religious extremists.
11/8/2008 Algeria Naciria 1 0 A young man delivering bread is shot and beheaded by Islamic fundamentalists.
11/8/2008 Iraq Ramadi 8 12 A double suicide bombing by Fedayeen leave eight Iraqis dead.
11/8/2008 Somalia Jamame 1 0 A aid worker, whose agency helps construct roads, is murdered by Islamic militia.
11/8/2008 Somalia Lego 3 0 Al-Shabab terrorists kidnap and behead three local soldiers.
11/7/2008 Pakistan Mingora 2 11 Two local security personnel are dismembered by a suicide bomber.
11/7/2008 Iraq Baghdad 6 12 Two Jihad bombings leave six civilians dead.
11/7/2008 Afghanistan Ghor 1 1 Talibanis assassinate a local official.
11/7/2008 Pakistan Changa Manga 1 0 A 15-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her brother on suspicion of sexual relations.
11/6/2008 Thailand Yala 1 0 The 47-year-old widow of a murdered man is herself gunned down by Muslim militants.
11/6/2008 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A young woman is shot to death by suspected fundamentalists over immoral activity.
11/6/2008 Russia Vladikavkaz 11 40 A female suicide bomber strikes at a marketplace busstop, murdering at least eleven passengers.
11/6/2008 Algeria Cabilia 1 0 A popular mayor is kidnapped, executed and then burned by Islamic fundamentalists.
11/6/2008 Pakistan Khar 22 45 Fedayeen suicide bombers take out over twenty people at a gathering of tribal elders.
11/5/2008 Pakistan Waziristan 5 0 Five civilians are hanged by religious fundamentalists.
11/5/2008 Pakistan FATA 1 0 Mujahideen abduct and murder a local official.
11/5/2008 Iraq Baghdad 6 12 Six people are blown to bits by a suicide bomber at an airport.
11/5/2008 Thailand Yala 1 0 A school janitor on his way to work is shot to death by Islamic extremists.
11/5/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 1 3 Islamic militia kill a local guard with a hand grenade.

Rod   January 5th, 2009 8:17 am ET

Nona,
Were these pictures of actual settlers? teaching their kids how to use weapons and teaching them hatred. Do not tell me these are fabricated. Jewish settlers are not the most peaceful people. I know that

My point is that Extremism is a Jewish problem too.
now my problem really is not with Extremists cause i gave up on these people long ago.
I am troubled that I found there are many supporters from our side to extremism and you know what ! Hamas and other extremist organizations will be the winners in this cause.

nona   January 5th, 2009 8:18 am ET

Fascinating special report on Fox featuring the story of a Hamas founder's son who is the former president of Hamas Youth Movement and spent 18 months in Israeli prisons.

Escape from Hamas: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,475226,00.html

MUST WATCH!

nona   January 5th, 2009 8:23 am ET

I did not say they were fabricated. I do say they were carefully selected, as photos for propaganda messages usually are. And yes, it's just one of millions of random videos on youtube, not something that was broadcast by state governments on their state-owned stations to all their citizens.

The same can be said of Dominique's videos, by the way. They may be powerful, but they are not broadcast to mass audiences by official governments.

I agree with you on this: there is plenty of blame for this mess to go around. Neither side is 100% without blame.

Aussie Pete   January 5th, 2009 8:47 am ET

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this current situation start because little Hamas, not liking the Israelis, decided to fire rockets into big Israel, hoping to kill a few innocent civilians.
How many times do you let someone hit you, before you hit back? What was little Hamas thinking when it continued to shoot their rockets into big Israel? in fact, did they think, or were they so blinded by hate they were incapable of rational thought?
So big Israel took it for a little while, and then asked little Hamas to stop. Little Hamas didn't, so Big Israel hit back!
Now little Hamas isn't totally stupid, they've hidden themselves amongst the civilian population, dressed like civilians and fight from civilian homes – unforunately this causes civilian casualties.
We now see our Arab brothers throughout the free world decrying Israel's actions, and demanding they stop. They do this by throwing rocks and shoes at police [I'll have a size 9 brogue if you find some] burning flags and shouting abuse at anyone and everyone. I wonder what the response would be if the shoe was on the other foot [pardon the pun] and they did this while supporting Israel, say, in Tehran.
When will the Palistinian people realise that Hamas is not thier friend, and that Israel is not their enemy [except for those radical right wing settlers of course!] Thank God I live in Australia!!

Fawad Ali   January 5th, 2009 9:24 am ET

nona,

99.9% of the killings which are inflicted in Gaza by Israel have nothing to do with ending rocket attacks.

Majority of the leaders, analyst, and people including Americans, UN, and Jews, around the world think “these actions which are causing so many Palestinian lives will not end Hamas……”


With 99.9% of surety, majority of the Arab population think positive of Iran and Hamas after the start of this conflict……and the moderate by every means losing their appeal to their people…..

This incursion will not achieve the objective of annihilating Hamas-according to common sense and perception……

So why Israel is so adamant to let this operation going, again use of a “common sense”…

Majority of Israelis want to elect a leader who will be very tough (almost brutal)against Palestinians”

This operation won’t bring anything except death and destruction in Gaza…..

Which is indeed making Israelis very “happy , proud and powerful……”

And so the entire operation represent a winning tactic for the Israeli incumbents especially “Tzipi Livni” ,

This is not the History (When Muslims were harsh against Jews, and Christians were harsh against Muslims)…….this is what’s happening right now…….

and all that make Israelis look like “fundamentalists who are enjoying deaths in Gaza-Just like old times” as you mentioned earlier……in case of Muslims in the past, 100s of years ago

Or is there any other possibility…….certainly not…..
Operation not designed to wipe out Hamas
Extremism indeed will flourish after this conflict………….

Moderates in Muslim world are constantly losing their appeal to their people.

and finally,

"did not say they were fabricated. I do say they were carefully selected, ........."

Show me scenes even remotely resembled to those in Gaza today in the last several months in Israel--100s of bodies of civilians covered in blood……

Kevin   January 5th, 2009 9:49 am ET

Fawad – writing in bold simply emphasizes your ignorance.

Lorenzo Lopez   January 5th, 2009 10:29 am ET

This is all crazy! How can the whole world most specially those countries who claims to be the bastions of democracy condole Israel's incursion into the Gaza strip?

We are not even talking about conventional warfare here, but the simple slaughter of innocent civilians.We all see the poor children lined up dead because of the conflict and the images are so unnerving to say the very least.

We can understand the reasons US President George Bush will not act on the situation on the ground. The whole world knows his bias for the Israeli's, however we can all just pray that things would be different with Barack Obama.

American ordnance used by the Zionist are what is killing the children of Gaza,and people will never heal from these wounds which can only lead to more extremism.

We can only have high praise for the French President Sarkozy in realising the need to fill the vacuum of leadership at the moment by trying to do something about the situation. The world does need more people like him around.

For those in Gaza we pray for you and the injustice you suffer. Your dead are in a better place now and are at rest. Those in the struggle must be strong. For your nation of Palestine is in your hands and not of your oppressors.

To the heroic and galant men and women involved in the medical and rescue operations may God protect you all for your honorable call
in the midst of this conflict.

LL

Irony   January 5th, 2009 11:07 am ET

While Israel is praised for it's elected officials that are not in the best interests of it's citizens because of it's strong arm and tactics, the grey areas it persists on operating under. Palestine, from day one of democratic elections fails and it's looked down upon because of it's leaders and their tactics. They have no gray era, they are a terrorist organization as per Govt's perspective. Blame the people of Palestine for their stupidity of assuming that Hamas would be a strong leader and stand up for them. Blame Israeli people for their lax gov't until they are provoked enough to do something, ie elections. Who controls Gaza's boarders, air space, and coastline? Who controls the Trade for domestic economy? I beg anyones pardon but if Israel where doing it's job that it took upon itself would there really be so many rockets? Why are they settling in Internationally recognised Palestinian lands? Also, if Hamas was better they would be worried about domestic matters and building instead of destroying itself; to show the world that see's in black and white on views of Palestine and Grey areas on views of Israel, that they might not be so bad. I saw a picture earlier that really hit this whole issue home for me. While there are children being killed by Isreali army, there was a picture of their soldiers...they where just boys. So while each side is blaming each side their people should be blaming their own leaders and themselves for being able to be drawn into something that they really don't matter in except cannon fauder for their War Games and ignorant enough to assume that they are the one that their gov't is fighting for.

Bill Boland   January 5th, 2009 11:12 am ET

1- Does Israel thinks it has the right to be free and to defend itself and to get whatever weapon, food, fuel, medicine and other goods it wants, while others don't have the right to have this right? It doesn't want others to send rockets to its land but it can do that and more?

2- Hamas is defending themselves through the only weapon they have, the rockets), but will Israel stop the F-16, the Apaches, the tanks, the occupation, the closure of Gaza borders, the closure of Gaza passes, the attacks by sea, and the total control of what goes in and out of Gaza?

3- Is France for real when Sarkozy does what Israel wants him to do for it by fooling the world as a peacemaker when in reality Levni used him to delay any Arab action at the Security Council by his trip to Middle East to allow Israel to send its ground forces? Does this seem the same as what Ariel Sharon asked Bush in 2001 to preoccupy the World (by going into Iraq) while Sharon wanted to finish the Palestinians? To me, the US and now France are falling in Israel's hands as puppets with US and European faces hiding Israel's face and body behind them.

4- Ehud Barak said Israel has been preparing for this war since 6 months ago, but Egypt's Hosni Mubarak brokered a truce between Israel and Hamas 6 months ago. Did Israel used Mubarak to cover up Israel's intentions and preparation for this war by acting as a peace mediator? Is he another puppet in Israel's hands, like the US and Europe?

Europecalling   January 5th, 2009 11:26 am ET

A friend of mine sent a comment to this blog and was rejected by the CNN people because he was telling the truth about CNN.
They are censoring this blog in favor of Hamas because that is what all liberal media do.
Just pathetic

Go watch FoxNews and be really informed people – boycott CNN

Glen Rico   January 5th, 2009 11:54 am ET

I am very disappointed for the international demonstrations against Israel and for the much dedication given by the political leaders from all over the word, including the mass Media.
Nothing has been done in the past to stop the killings in Ruanda, nothing has been and is not done to solve the Darfur rape of women and killing of the local people by the Sudan arabs, nothing has been done and is not done in Congo to stop the killing of thousand people.
Hundreds of thousand human being has been killed and are still being killed and there are many other countries where something similar happens.
Now, the Israeli Government has decided to get rid of the terrorists, that are bombarding the Israeli civilians, with plenty of rights and the major world population scream and demonstrate against Israel. And many European politicians wants to solve the situation in favor of Hamas and take the excuse of the humanitarian situation. But why not for Darfur, Congo and everywhere in the world such things happen.
Are we all antisemitic ? Do we want the destruction of Israel ?
Hamas is a terroristic organization and must be dismantled. Their members must change their mind and try to live together in peace.
I would appreciate CNN and all the Media touch this subject with reality and not , with the excuse of the humanitarian tragedy, make Israel responsible of the Gaza disgrace. Hamas is the main responsible and partially the world and their governments, including the U.N.

simssearch165   January 5th, 2009 12:06 pm ET

It seems that the hypocrisy of the disproportionate use of force complaint has escaped the Palestinian representatives in that the first display of this occurred when no rockets were coming in to Gaza, yet hundreds were leaving aimed at Israel. Israel is surrounded my nations wanting its destruction and these crises develop year after year. The world cries "Peace" and the fighting eventually subsides temporarily. Perhaps its time to let them finish it one way or another. It appears peace just isn't actually wanted by the elected leadership of the Palestinian people (Hamas). Their religious founded hatred of Israel is now only limited by their weaponry which is as primitive as their ideas. To say "God willing" to the Gaza becoming a cemetery for the Israeli Army that entered in defense of their country in a way Hamas liken to "rats" demonstrates reason is scarce in the leadership there. If the Palestinian people indeed don't approve Hamas' latest move, it's time to let the world know and stop electing them.

Bob   January 5th, 2009 12:21 pm ET

I get so sick of all the disinformation that has been put out out by the Arab world as well as so many in the media. Here are the facts. In 1917 Sir Edmund Allenby of the British forces took over control of Israel from the Turkish Empire who had occupied the land for about 400 years. The Arabs who lived there were a hodgepodge of different Arab tribes and were not reconized by the Arabs or anybody else for that matter as being the Palestinian people. That was a term invented in the second half of the 20th century. On the other hand archeological records clearly state who the land belongs to and that is the Jewish people. The Arabs are the true occupiers and not the other way around. When the Jews started returning in the early 20th century they came to a desolate and swamp filled land and turned it into furtile ground. Shortly after the holocaust in 1948 the U.N. gave legal authority for the Jews to create the country of Israel as it had been over 2000 years before. The very next day the Arabs attacked this new country and lost. Three more times Israel's Arab neighbors attacked them and lost all three times. Israel has never attacked another country except in the defense of their people. Israel has never been the agressors and has given back most land that was lost by the Arab invaders. When Jordan controled Jerusalem they would not allow the Jews to come to the Wailing Wall to worship but after Jordan lost the war Israel allowed the Muslims to continue to worship at the Dome of the Rock. I would guess that most of the people who are protesting against Israel's invasion of Gaza have never had to live for years worrying about a rocket slaming into their house. I would guess if they had to live under those circumstances they would be screaming at their governments to do something about it just as Israel's citizens have done. Israel has never targeted civilians but that is exactally what the Arab terrorist do. The cowards even hide behind their own people. When Fatah ruled under Arafat they embezzled millions of dollars given by the West instead of spending it on their own people. Hamas has brought nothing but misery to their own people by commiting these terrorist acts knowing that Israel would have no choice but to respond. The Palastinian's leadership has failed their own people and not Israel. Arafat's wife is living the high life in Paris with this aid money. After reading my blog a person might think that I am Jewish. I am not. I lived in Israel for 6 months in 1992 and made many Jewish as well as Arab friends. The sad part is that most people on both sides just want to live in.

Fanny Ederry   January 5th, 2009 12:26 pm ET

Thw Isralian has left oooccupied teritories in Gaza two years ago and the palistinians did not plant even a flower in these tertirories the only took this places fort rainning for terrors nobody speaks about it all their leaders are talking about heatress and blod all the money that they get goes for terror they have not build anything for their population in those places

The United states has Bombed IRAK and Their citizents for OIL
not for defending themselves only economic interests
Since that I think it is hipocrisim to lecture Israel and this I say to CHRISTIAN AMANPOUR that is talking about the proportion of Israel Response

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 12:30 pm ET

Ben, are you stupid or you are just acting as one?

You want to blame the muslims in Pakistan and Somalia for the killing the Palestinian childrens in Gaza by the Israeli bombs?

Jorge Pareja C   January 5th, 2009 12:45 pm ET

I was haunted by the picture of a small palestinian child, probably the same age of my grandson, sitting on a chair, his feet dangling not able to reach the floor, holding his wounded arm with the other hand, his black round eyes full of terror and questions such as why am I here?, what have I done to deserve all this pain and sadness? I can hardly believe that if this child reaches adulthood he will be thankfull to Israel and he will surely turn into a "terrorist". For the love of Christ, stop the massacre and do not turn Gaza into a XXI st. century version of the Warsaw Ghetto. As much as I condemned the holocaust suffered by the jewish people, I cannot condone what Israel is doing to the palestinian people.

Larry   January 5th, 2009 12:50 pm ET

Hunk,
You sound halfway intelligent unlike some of the other respondents here.
Consider this- Jordan is 97% of Palestine, until they butchered their Palestinian population. Where is the outcry from the Arab world and it's sympathizers about Jordanian occupation?
Let's be real here. This "conflict" is not about occupation- it's about removing nonMuslims from the Middle East. The fanatical Mullahs do not want Jews, Christians, Bahai's, Hindus, or anyone else who does not accept Allah in the Middle East. If you read the Koran, Mecca is the Muslim holy site. Even Mohammad says that Jerusalem belongs to the Jews. This is the same Koran that says that anyone who changes their religion should be killed.
Did anyone even see the Fox special about the son of the Hamas founder who found Christianity while in an Israeli prison and escaped from Hamas?
To all you who claim that Israel is really Arab land, consider this? Jesus was a Jew. He lived in Israel as did his parents. He believed wholeheartedly in a return of his people to Israel. That was thousands of years ago.
Finally, to all of you who have nothing better to do than criticize Israel, why don't you visit the country, and then visit any Arab country. When you come back to the US, tell us where you would rather live.

David Green   January 5th, 2009 12:58 pm ET

Israel has every right to defend itself from the Hamas terror organization. While Israel is doing its best to hit only Hamas militants, The Hamas terrorists deliberately target Israeli civilians.

Many Israeli civilians by Hamas suicide bombers over the years.

Hamas is holding Gilaad Shalit prisoner without letting the red cross visit him which is against the geneva convention.

Hamas has fired thousands of rockets on Israeli towns over the last 8 years, even after Israel completely pulled out of Gaza 3 years ago.

So, there is one conclusion – There's no point in talking with Hamas, only military pressure makes it stop hurting civilians. Too bad that both Israelis and Palestinians pay the price for muslim fundementalism.

miriam   January 5th, 2009 1:00 pm ET

Jorge, I pity the poor Palestinian children who have been injured and whose rulers use the pictures of their suffering to gain world sympathy and support for their terrorist activities.

I also pity the poor Israeli children who for decades have suffered horrific injuries but I respect their government who refuse to use their children as human shields and fodder for propoganda.

These pictures are beamed across the world prescisely to gain the sympathy of people who care like you. However they are deceiving you and pulling yet more innocent victims into their terrorist trap.

Israel does not intend to kill innocent civilians.

Hamas deliberately aims to kill innocent Israelis.

Larry   January 5th, 2009 1:05 pm ET

Another thought. The Palestinians already have their State on the West Bank and the Gaza. Israel used it's own army to forcibly uproot it's own citizens from their homes on the Gaza to give the Gaza over to the Palestinians. This is unprecedented in the Middle East. How many Arab countries have used their armies to uproot their own citizens? None.
What did Israel get in return? Trade? No. Peace No. Bombs and rockets? By the thousands.
Just look at the West Bank? Since the Palestinian population on the West Bank ceased their whole scale terror war, they have prosperity, infrastructure, and freedom. The Palestinians on the Gaza, on the other hand, have chosen terror over economic freedom.
Where are all the billions that the world threw at the Palestinians? Why doesn't the Gaza have roads, hospitals, infrastructure? Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of Israel. It's entire existence is predicated upon genocide. How can any intelligent person turn a blind eye to this reality?
When Pakistan, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Jordan use military force to fight Muslim extremism, it is justified; yet when Israel uses it's force to the very same thing, it is "disproportionate" and a "humanitarian crisis." Why the double standard?
I'd love to hear from any of the Israel bashers out there with an answer.

Yoel   January 5th, 2009 1:06 pm ET

I wonder why you call only for blogs from the palestinian side and not also from the Israeli side. If you presume to show a objective point of view it is definitely called for. I'm sure many of your viewers wouild be more than happy to post pictures and videos from the hundreds of cities and settlements under rocket attack. The Gaza Palestinians have perhaps been under – not intended- attack for 10 days, the Israelis have been purposely targeted for 8 years.

Saudi   January 5th, 2009 1:28 pm ET

The WHITE HOUSE values ===== ( confront violence with violence.)
The WHITE HOUSE way of life === (confront terrorism with terrorism.)
The WHITE HOUSE Justice ===== ( confront the weaks with power.)
The WHITE HOUSE solution === (confront Palestinians with Israelis.)

http://saudisolutions.org/USinIRAQ.htm

Abdel Elsegeiny   January 5th, 2009 1:31 pm ET

why cnn
why not reporting the truth, you alyas Take the side of Israel.
the truth is, no Fighting in Gaza,
what going over there is Just killing the palasinian
Israel is the fith largest Nuclear country ns ihe world
and the bigest army,

WHAT YOU DO NT REPORT THAT, HAMAS NEED TWO THING TO STOP THE ROCKET
1- STOP THE KILLING
2- OPNEN THE BORDER FOR AIDS , FOOD AND MEDICAL HELP

IS THAT MUTCH TO ASK FOR !!!!!!!!!!!!

Larry   January 5th, 2009 1:31 pm ET

No one seems to want to respond to my inquiries because my inquire logic and common sense, rather then invective and anti-Israel rhetoric.
There is no humanitarian crisis in the Gaza- the Israelis are targeting a very specific area. Even on the Arab News Network (CNN) you can easily see that most of the infrastructure is intact. This is manufactured by the Arab publicity machine so that the world will turn against Israel (not a hard thing to do, sadly).

My questions for the anti-Israel crowd?

1. Does India have a right to pursue the Mumbai terrorists?
2. Does US have a right to pursue the 911 terrorists?
3. Does Afghanistan have a right to battle the Taliban ?

I doubt that I will get an answer, but I hope it makes you all think.

There is one and only one reason there is no peace in the region, to wit- The Arab population is raised from birth to hate Jews, Israelis and non-Muslims. It is openly broadcast on Arab television, and openly preached in Mosques and the UN. They make no secret of it, yet so many of you seem blissfully unaware of this reality. Arab Sesame Street, for example, is akin to what a Ku Klux Klan program might have been in this country. Little children sing of martyrdom and blood running in the streets. It is horrible to watch. I challenge even one of you to take the time to research this. THEY BLOW THEMSELVES UP! What more need be said?

Would any of you out there tolerate this behavior from your neighbors?
If your families were being threatened, would you react with so-called "disproportionate" force to protect your families?
Please, put aside your prejudices and start using common sense. Look what happened in Denmark, Spain, and England. You cannot pacify evil- you must face it and destroy it. Israel is on the front line of the war on terror. If Israel fails, the rest of the Western democracies are next.
A final thought- notice the lack of any meaningful response from the moderate Arab countries? Could it be that they actually support the Israeli military action?

miriam   January 5th, 2009 1:41 pm ET

Larry, Yemen is currently planning to up-root and transfer her Jewish population after the Jewish community outside Sanaa has suffered repeated attacks by Muslims!
Forcible transfer of Jews and the world's silence is deafening!

michael   January 5th, 2009 1:51 pm ET

So, Egypt does open the border from time to time, Even with Hamas being the receiver on the Palestinian side of Rafiah. So, why then, can reporters not get into Gaza through this checkpoint. Why is it that only Israel is being blamed for not allowing people into Gaza? Gaza has a border with Egypt!!! Try to get into Gaza from there!!! And the same thing applies to all aid going into Gaza!!! The egyptiian arabs who love their Palestinian brothers so much....that they make sure that all kind of weapons can get into Gaza from this side through the tunnels underground, should realy be the the ones who are supplying them with food, gas, medical equipmt. openly through the border.

Larry   January 5th, 2009 1:58 pm ET

Miriam,
Very little has changed since 1944. The world still hates Jews. They would rather tolerate Muslim terrorism in their back yard than support a Jewish entity dong battle with terrorism These Israel bashers (really just an excuse to bash Jews without using the word Jew) do not criticize any other country, even Muslim countries, for battling Muslim extremism. Syria was not criticized for murdering 20000 civilians; Jordan was not criticized for murdering it's Palestinian population; even Fatah is not criticized for it's battles with Hamas. Yet the words "Nazi", "genocide", "holocaust" are freely bandied about when criticizing Israel's very targeted response to terror.
There is nothing we can do other than try and get the marginally informed to think.
The unstated reality is that many (certainly not all) of the respondents in this blog have been brainwashed to hate anything connected to Jews. You cannot change their minds. One can compare this to a child raised to hate African Americans in the deep South, or more recently to the murder of a Hispanic man by a group of teens in upstate New York. Hopefully there are enough free thinkers out there to distinguish fact from fiction.

Leandro   January 5th, 2009 2:09 pm ET

GAZA strip = varsaw ghetto

USA STILL JUST WATCHING

Elie   January 5th, 2009 2:14 pm ET

Regardless of what you people think about Palestine and Isreal, killing innocent children is a not jusitified and should not be accepted or tolerated. This is the most important thing, we should refuse the killing of innocent people, then, we can discuss all other issues, everything else is peanuts!!!

Amanda   January 5th, 2009 2:19 pm ET

Shame, shame, shame on Israel's government and its thugs for this murderous invasion of Gaza and the slaughter of hundreds of innocent civilians. This is a crime against humanity supported by Bush.
Yes the word "nazi" applies to them, I am sorry.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 2:20 pm ET

Miriam, you are concerned about the Jews in Yemen?... what about the Palestinians who have been misplaced since 1948?

Those are not humans like the Jews of Yemen?

You should thank your G-d that the President of Yemen is not killing a Jew for every Palestinian civilian killed in Gaza until Israel stop its killing.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 2:22 pm ET

Elie,

I agree with you... Its a war crime.... Its a crime against Humanity... what is going in Gaza right now by the Israeli Occupying Forces and it needs to be stopped.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 2:26 pm ET

The ignorant Miriam repeats what the (IOF) Israeli Occupying Forces are saying they do not target innocent children... but delibrately bomb a school and they will say oh Hamas was hiding weapons in it...

Well let me tell you what Miriam.... If that is a valid excuse then what Hamas is doing is valid too because every house in Israel has weapons in it to kill Palestinians.

miriam   January 5th, 2009 2:27 pm ET

Elie, Israel and the IDF agree 100% with what you say.

Please tell Hamas not to fire rockets at Israeli kindergartens, schools and homes and to stop building, storing and firing rockets and weapons from Palestinian schools,homes and hospitals.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 2:32 pm ET

To say that Gaza has not been occupied is false... when Israel control the borders of Gaza.

Israel occupy a land... displaces its people and they they wonder why they are shooting them with rockets?.... what do you expect?

Miriam... if someone kick you out of your house and put you in a tent across the street would you throw them with roses or with rockets if you can?

miriam   January 5th, 2009 2:40 pm ET

Iyas. what about the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab countries?

What about the Jews displaced in 1948? Yes ,Jews were also displaced.

What about the Jews displaced in 2005?

Nobody in Israel is refered to as a refugee after 60+ years.

Not every house in Israel contains a weapon.

I know the Israeli government and the IDF does not deliberately aim to kill children despite the propoganda you are fed.

I know that Hamas deliberately tries to kill Israelis whether they are soldiers, children, elderly or sick in hospital.

Chasha   January 5th, 2009 2:42 pm ET

Palastinians are a made up people. they are all from arab states. the United Nations gave the Jewish state, Israel, to the Jews as they had no place to go. They did not throw out the Arabs. The Arabs ran out. When no one else( ie, the other Arab nations)did not want them they wanted to return. They do not want to live in peace. They will not be happy until they destroy Isreal. That is their goal. Until Hamas and the other Arab terrorists, the people, the other Arab nations, etc. recognize the right of Israel to exist in pease, there can be no peace. Isreal left Gaza. That was not good enough. the Palastinians needed to make war on them. So be it. If you can get rockets and guns you can get food and baby formula. You chose this way of life. You chose Hamas!

miriam   January 5th, 2009 2:43 pm ET

Iyas, I wouldn't do either.

Nor did any Jew who was ever kicked out of their home all over the world and for countless generations.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 2:57 pm ET

Miriam, are you stupid or you are acting as a stupid person?....

Show me one report that talks about Jewish refugees displaced by the Palestinians?

If Europe is responsible for displacing some Jews if you are talking about Hitler time.... why the Palestinians have to pay for them?

Why don't you go and attack Germany?

What has the Palestinans done to deserve to be terrorized by The Haganah or as you want to call it (IOF) Israeli Occupying Forces, The Irgun, and The Stern gangs?

Zeeshan   January 5th, 2009 2:58 pm ET

man is Israel crazy?? what the hell does it want?? why is it targeting Innocent children & civilians??all the Arab nations should gettogether and fight against this coward bully.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 3:01 pm ET

Oh come on Miriam.... you will not do either?.... so why don't give the Palestinians their homes and go find yourself a home somewhere else? Maybe in the North Pole.... ;)

Fawad Ali   January 5th, 2009 3:04 pm ET

Kevin, you are f******* jerk, you and your lunatic psychopathic buddies are ignoring what can be considered as "acts of Genocide "......I won't surprise if your F****** sight miss what am writing....

a**Hole

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 3:06 pm ET

I think this is the new Israeli strategy... They are acting like they are stupid and they do not know anything.... I just heard Shemon Perez in an interview asking "Why they are fighting us... why they are throwing rockets on us?"... Man this man is playing the stupid role pretty good or maybe he got alzheimer.

He does not know why the occupied Palestinians are fighting their occupier.

Gerry   January 5th, 2009 3:11 pm ET

How many of the alleged 500 deaths in Gaza are members and or sympathizers of Fatah who have been murdered by Hamas in the last 2 weeks?

Bill Boland   January 5th, 2009 3:18 pm ET

Dear Miriam and Larry and the politically blind:
God created all of us (if you believe in that) as same. Why do u believe that only Israelites have or should have what they don't want others to have? Doeas Israel realize that it has been giving and still gives its enemies including the Palestinians every excuse to attack it.

Every demand Israel asks from the Palestinians should be matched by it, demand for demand, then and only then that Israel will deprive the Palestinians from the reason to attack it. BTW, the Palestinians don't attack Israel, they try to make it hear their needs through the only means it hears, eye for eye and tooth for tooth. Why couldn't Israel have Peace in the Middle East, only Neutralization of the trators Egypt and Jordan and KSA, among others? Maybe it benefits from begging the US for support.

How many times the Palestinians responded with stopping the violence, only to be so badly hurt by Israel's arrogant defiance to any logic and its persistent and insistent violation of any accord?

Please wake up and smell the roses, not the bullets and bombs.

Peter Rogers   January 5th, 2009 3:23 pm ET

There are no winners here, just losers on both sides. Israel with all it's firepower and American backers won't win. Israel can't win by force alone.

dominique   January 5th, 2009 3:24 pm ET

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2451908450811690589

This video is called occupation 101... Not a propaganda video with bunch of injured and deads...

Just a History lesson/ reminder....

The enemy of knowledge is not ignorance , it is the illusion of ignorance...

Bill Boland   January 5th, 2009 3:32 pm ET

To all who can think without bias:
Which is worse, someone with a plane and laser-guided missiles shooting at will and volition and intention with decisiveness and without any direct diterrants, or someone who is hiding underground, gets out with his a hastily-launched rocket and no way to see the target? Israel is leaving no other way for the Palestinians to be heard or even listened to.

Which is worse, a man who is well-fed, well-warmed, well-medically cared for, and well-evacuable, or a man who is fed by UNRWA and other donations cold meager basic food (if at all) and who has no light, fuel, clean water or safe shelter? Wake up please.

Peter Rogers   January 5th, 2009 3:34 pm ET

If Canada and Mexico built walls around America, prevented any imports and exports, no air traffic or shipping allowed. Would the American people stand for that?

Bill Boland   January 5th, 2009 3:37 pm ET

I wish bloggers "google" (verify thru Google) their facts before writing them out for us to read, so we can all learn from each other and be enlightened, rather than become hating and hateful.

Abdul   January 5th, 2009 3:37 pm ET

can the intellectuals in this blog answer the attach

1- why is it ok since day one for Israel to have
US supplied tanks plane and rockets but
Palestinians cannot have any? Is this because

1-Israel has the only right and say in the region ?

2- Israeli bombs does not kill innocents?
I have asked this question # of times and
No one has the courage to give the honest
Unabusive simple answer

Bill Boland   January 5th, 2009 3:40 pm ET

Peter: I wish the biased Americans and Israelis read, understand and respond to ur question.

Very bright.

Saudi   January 5th, 2009 3:40 pm ET

Hezbollah will be out of character asthe only credible one in the region if they remain stand still. This is the time Nasr Allah , this the time. Take Shaba farms back today.

Saudi   January 5th, 2009 3:42 pm ET

Syria, this is the time to take the Golan back.

Bill Boland   January 5th, 2009 3:44 pm ET

Abdul –
A to # 1: Because all the supporters of Israel in the US think so, and they r more powerful than Israel.

A to # 2: Read my comments above.

Saudi   January 5th, 2009 3:44 pm ET

This is the time falks,

http://saudisolutions.org/USinIRAQ.htm

GoJump   January 5th, 2009 3:45 pm ET

Solomon, you are a child. Nona has answered your question clearly but you keep following up with what about this state, that state, oh i mean geographically, blah blah blah... your follow up questions to "clarify" what you meant when Nona answers them brilliantly shows you are an idiot.

American Jew   January 5th, 2009 3:47 pm ET

Wow! Overnight, the Blog Wars and PR wars here sure got more and more ugly and hateful–like the war on the ground in Gaza

Each side is fighting the battle the only way they think they can.

It is a disproportionate war.

Bottom line, both sides need to stop, whether rockets or bombs.

Helluva lot of injustice and horror and INHUMANITY on both sides throughout history.

How to handle all the anger, bitterness and fear of the past==this is a real block to any lasting peace I fear.

These words seem useless but I'll say them anyhow, as I see no other option:

STOP THE DESTRUCTION NOW!

Moti   January 5th, 2009 3:49 pm ET

I see many people above me that try very hard to see how Israel could be blamed in the current situation. Well, that's an easy task considering the fact that most of the people are not really looking into the fine details and you can write whatever you like.
For example, isn't it easy to say that Israel hardly provided food and fuel to Gaza during the last months? Isn’t it easy to say that Israel avoided people from getting medical treatment? Very easy. Who can check that? I could see several people here are using such claims.
The truth however is that if the Palestinians really felt hungry they wouldn’t fire on the Kerem Shalom border post through which fresh food enters the Gaza strip. If the Palestinians really wanted to let people travel in and out the Gaza strip they wouldn’t send a bomb car (one incident) and suicide terrorists (several times) to Erez border post. If they really needed medical assistance they would hesitate before sending a “pregnant” woman to explode in the Soroka hospital in Israel. What did they want to achieve by firing on the Ashkelon power station that supplies power to Gaza?
All the above are facts, news that were published worldwide.
The real truth is that Israel is very much humanitarian, more than any other country, including the United States. Just few examples:
1) If you travel to Soroka hospital in Beer-Sheva/Israel you may find innocent Palestinian people that were wounded during the recent war in Gaza. This behavior is unique for Israel.
2) If you go to the Erez border post you cannot miss the food and medical supply delivered from Europe and countries in the Persian Gulf waiting for Palestinian lorries to collect them.
3) Israel uses a procedure no other country in the world can understand. Before attacking a building in which rockets and ammunition are stored Israeli soldiers would make a telephone call to the residents (how do they have their numbers? Very good question) warning them to evacuate the building.
4) The ground offensive is very slow. Guess why? That’s because each building is searched to minimize civilian casualties. I’m sure other countries would not endanger their soldiers for such a purpose. I remember a US air force attack on a wedding ceremony in Afghanistan. Even when the tragedy was discovered the US air-force spokesman just said: Yes, we killed innocent people but they were first to shoot.
There are many examples to prove that Israel is not only right but also behave very morally when responding to the 8 years of attacks on its people.

Bill Boland   January 5th, 2009 3:49 pm ET

The reason for not having PEACE in the Middle East is that Israel and its worldwide supporters r way more powerful and resourceful, including those Arabs of the same description, than the Palestinians and their worldwide supporters, including the Arabs other than above.

Shosh   January 5th, 2009 3:51 pm ET

To reiterate, in case some of you have forgotten: the Israeli government is defending itself against YEARS of rocket attacks onto its civlian population by the Hamas terrorists.

I grew up in America, and am now living in Israel, in a town a mere 60 km from Gaza. My American education taught me that yes, we ALL have a right to live in peace, but when someone tries to take your right away from you, you also have the right to demand it back.

I am reading and watching and most importantly, living this – let me tell you what I see: Hamas – a terrorist organization whose primary purpose is to eradicate the Jewish existance – has been sending rockets into Israel for years. This terrorist group is also the governing representatives for the Gazan Palestinian population.

Funnily enough, the only reason Hamas was able to become the government in this area is because Israel forced its own Israeli citizens who were living there to leave the area in 2005, in an effort to continue negotiation efforts with the Palestinian leadership. We see this a lot in history, no? It's called COMPROMISE.

But it only works when BOTH SIDES RESPECT THE OTHER.

In the past several months, Hamas has upped the ante, continuing to send rockets into civilian areas. This is not a military group against another military group, in which civilians are accidentaly killed. NO – HAMAS ONLY TARGETS CIVILIANS. They are doing this to intimidate Israel.

Therefore, Israel's military finally decided to defend its citizens who were under attack. How to do this? Should it act like its enemies, and kill ONLY civilians? Would you do that? NO, BECAUSE THAT IS INHUMANE. So how can Hamas do that? Well, being as they are terrorists, I would say their value of human life is pretty slim.

Israeli military forces are targeting ONLY HAMAS TERRORISTS. It even WARNS THE TERRORISTS to leave their homes. What kind of war is that, when the other side tells you before it shoots. Imagine....

Yes, Palestinian civilians in Gaza are being killed. No one is denying that. Just like no one is denying that they are living in a war zone...
Their government/terrorist leaders launches the rockets the densly populated areas of Gaza! Hamas stores its arsenal in civilian locations like madrassas, mosques, private homes, etc.

And have you heard about all the wounded Palestinian civilians who are being TREATED IN ISRAELI HOSPITALS? What country HELPS its enemies's civilian population? Then again, what government doesn't take care of its own civilians?

Saudi   January 5th, 2009 3:51 pm ET

This is the time!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Marines_in_Operation_Enduring_Freedom.jpg

Saudi   January 5th, 2009 3:53 pm ET

This the time,

http://saudisolutions.org/usa4israel.html

American Jew   January 5th, 2009 3:58 pm ET

Abdul-
This is a very unjust and unfair game with no end in sight. As an American Jew, I hate my tax dollars going to Israel's war against the Palestinians. Please know that I represent many American Jews.

If this cycle of violence ever stops, Revenge will never justify what is happening now, tho, since so many of the 'enemy' are against this incursion, too.

Right on Peter! Well put:

"If Canada and Mexico built walls around America, prevented any imports and exports, no air traffic or shipping allowed. Would the American people stand for that?"

Nerya G.   January 5th, 2009 4:01 pm ET

Palastinians are a made up people. they are all from arab states. the United Nations gave the Jewish state, Israel, to the Jews as they had no place to go. They did not throw out the Arabs. The Arabs ran out. When no one else( ie, the other Arab nations)did not want them they wanted to return. They do not want to live in peace. They will not be happy until they destroy Isreal. That is their goal. Until Hamas and the other Arab terrorists, the people, the other Arab nations, etc. recognize the right of Israel to exist in pease, there can be no peace. Isreal left Gaza. That was not good enough. the Palastinians needed to make war on them. So be it. If you can get rockets and guns you can get food and baby formula. You chose this way of life. You chose Hamas!

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 4:10 pm ET

Nona,

its not true that the Jews were persecuted by the Arabs, it's have been proved the one attacking Jews in Iraq, were sent by Israelis to scare them off from Iraq and immigrate to Palestine .

It’s a fact that Iraqis even kept the properties of all Iraqi Jews and even by Saddam Hussein, by a special rule of "Prosperity of the absent" if my translation is correct, even places of worship of the Jews still exist in Iraq. And guess what, they still exist up to this very day, locked and saved, I seen some of it in the Karrada area in Baghdad, this is the Arabs deeds throughout history.

In the Levant – Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine have the highest rate of tolerance toward religions and this is a MATTER OF FACT and was confirmed by the POP when he did his historical pilgrimage.

The Jews will never confess that under Islam, they were not persecuted and lived on harmony and peace, the richest man on Bahrain is from Nano family and Guess what, he is a Jew still lives there and have a very good relation with the ruling family and consider himself as Arab.

By how did the Jew treated the Arab Palestinians, did they kept their properties, no thy instead are killing them on a cold blooded murder day after the other.

This is maybe is the Jew and Israeli way of religious intolerance in place of tolerance. Wiping out of the whole Palestinian people to a "point of view" in history in the name of fighting "treghorr" terror like what Leveny is saying.

claudio   January 5th, 2009 4:14 pm ET

My love and grief to the all the Palestinian families and the 5 Israelis deads in all this disaster in the most "religious" part of the world.

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 4:15 pm ET

Shimon peres. was on Aljazeera today.I can see defeat in his eyes.his answers was like someone who is drunk. he is asking aljazeera to stop this war against Israel he said it few times.when he was reminded that Aljazeera is aTV station and not the one that is fighting.he said well you should tell hamas to stop its war on Israel.

Israel is facing a big defeat we will all see it in the next few days they will kill few more hundred Palestinians but it will not stop the Palestinians from fighting against occupation.

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 4:20 pm ET

Erdogan the Prime Minister of Turkey said today that Israel is an aggressor and she will pay the price in the future.

he is taking the side of Hamas we have to remember that turkey is a close friend of Israel and a member of Nato.

abdul   January 5th, 2009 4:21 pm ET

American Jew and others on the Blog,

I still didnt get answer to my previous question.

" Why shouldnt Palestinians have a strong army like Israel. And if US cannot provide the arms then Palestinians should be allowed to get
amrs and tanks and planes from any where they like"

What justification and right Israel has that Palestinians do not?????

Moti   January 5th, 2009 4:25 pm ET

To the "American Jew" and Peter: Don't try to describe a situation as if there's a wall around Gaza etc. etc..
It's a simple lie.
Israel has an international border with Egypt and with the Gaza strip and that means there's a fence, not a wall, along the border. That's very natural, don’t you think?
Of course, there are gates and Palestinians used to pass through them into Israel. They also used to go through similar gates to Egypt. That stopped since the Hamas took the government in Gaza with violence. Pay attention. Not only Israel closed the gates with Gaza, but also Egypt. Do you really wish to know the reason?
During the years before the Hamas took the control and started firing on Israel daily, the Palestinians used to send the vegetables they grow (unfortunately nothing else is produced there) to Israel and abroad. Does that included in the terrifying “Wall around America” picture you describe?
During the time frame in which the Palestinian Authority was there, they built an airport. It was destroyed for good reasons. The Palestinians tried to use it for smuggling rockets into Gaza and importing (didn’t you mention “import”?) trained Iranian militants. Oh, yes, they also exported Palestinians to Iran to graduate as terrorists.

Rick   January 5th, 2009 4:30 pm ET

If it weren't for how tragic all these unnecessary deaths were this would almost be funny.

Watch the interviews with Palestinian leaders who say "Israel is an aggressor nation and must stop attacking us".

A news commentator says "But what about the rockets being fired from Gaza into Israel".

The Palestinian leader responds with ""Israel is an aggressor nation and must stop attacking us".

So the news commentator says " but you guys started it – by sending rockets into Israel – and you still won't stop it:"

The Palestinian leader responsd eloquently." "Israel is an aggressor nation and must stop attacking us".

So the news commentator asks "Do you think the rockets firing into Israel should be condemned?"

The Palestinian leader, digs deep into his soul and comes up with the oh-so articulate response. ""Israel is an aggressor nation and must stop attacking us".

"Wait" – says the news commentator, "You're not answering my question – do you feel that the attacks on Israel are wrong."

The Palestinian leader finally changes his answer and says "We condemn violence. Israel is an aggressor nation and must stop attacking us".

OK – then there's the other issue that Israel should not be attacking "regular Palestinians" if they only want to stop Hamas.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the "regular Palestinians" elect Hamas as their leaders – to act and speak on the world stage as the official leaders of Gaza?"

If Hamas was duly elected in a free election then when Hamas attacks, they are doing it with the consent and approval of "regular Palestinians".

If Hamas is merely a terrorist organization that seized conrtol of Gaza by force, then the world should be outraged against Hamas – because their attacks on Israel prompted the attack on Gaza. You can't have it both ways. Hamas is either the legal voice of Gaza – or it is not.

nadine   January 5th, 2009 4:46 pm ET

this hole thing happened because Israel wanted peace, & Palestine wanted peace, but Israel wanted it the way they wanted. hamas has every right for throwing rockets as Israel because Israel was & is still throwing rockets, while you see all this on the news, you can spread this & tell people about this. where are the people Palestinians need. 1948 is when Israelis came to Palestine & took over it, its 2009. more then 60 years, if anyone really cared there wouldn’t even be war in the middle east, Israelis came to us after the Britten’s came, I’m just telling a little bit about the past. so basically Palestine has been occupied about there hole life’s. Israel sent about nine thousand soldiers in Gaza, & another nine thousand are on the side waiting. so tell me if war came all over Palestine, how many solders would they have?

Ignacio en Monterrey, Mexico   January 5th, 2009 4:59 pm ET

Under whose authority can a land populated and undeniably owned by a people identifiable in terms of some ethnicity, culture, language etc., be given over to another group outcasts from their former lands deemed justifiable. Even more, why do we question the right of the first group to openly and aggressively challenge the forced intrusion displaced immigrants. If this egregious genocide is allowed, what is to prevent a renewed European displacement of native Africans from their much coveted land?

Moti   January 5th, 2009 5:02 pm ET

Nidine says that "1948 is when Israelis came to Palestine & took over it."
Sorry, but I can't remeber a country by that name.
Moreover, no one can't remember any time in history in which what-is-so-called Palestinian people had a country. The fact is that only after the late Menachem Begin agreed, Israel decided to let the arab people in the west bank and Gaza to manage their life by their own.
Now not only that "1948 is when Israelis came to Palestine & took over it" is a lie, but Nadine knows very well that there was never a minute in history during which Jews weren't living in this land. If it is allowed for arabs to claim they have rights in the holy land while they were born abroad, why cann't Jews come back to this land Jews never left?

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 5:05 pm ET

Rick.

give us your source and where was this interview.

Paul   January 5th, 2009 5:09 pm ET

Give it a break. If a boyfreind was hitting your sister, you would fight back, beat him up and then tell him to stay away from her. If this boyfriend came back, you would do it again -- by the fifth or sixth try, you would try to hit him so hard that he wil not come back.....and if he did, you would want to kill him before he kills your sister. Think of Gaza as the brutal boyfriend and Israel as the brother of the girl who keeps getting hit. This type of retaliation is justified and should have occurred years ago.

As for the "innocent citizens", I'm not sure of how many there really are. When Hamas took over the Gaz several years ago, they brutally murdered it's opposition to gain full control from Al Fatah. When all of this was beginning, they killed an Egyptian soldier to try and continue to smuggle weapons.........

so do you need more? As John Lennon said, "Imagine" -unfortunately, I can't – and it;'s the fault of Hamas.

swiss canadian   January 5th, 2009 5:16 pm ET

Israelis and americans are fanatical maniacs.

peguy   January 5th, 2009 5:21 pm ET

I lived in Syria and Israel years ago. I travelled in the palestinian territories. The people of each area that I met are nice real people. There are unfortunately brought up in a culture of distrust and blame laying. The underlying poison that feeds this illness that is the middle east turmoil is the failure in getting a government in palestine that can get their young men work. No work ? Well someone is to blame so Hamas says it is Israel. They are a terrorist organization hiding behind the legitimacy of a mock election. Take the country names out of the equation and you have one govt sanctioning a war on another country through the use of violence aimed at civilians. In any other sphere of the world it would be a war! but here it is called an attack or an incursion by Israel. I say good hunting Israel and Gods help in avoiding innocent deaths. The other side is not so honorable or committed to peace.

Paul   January 5th, 2009 5:22 pm ET

The victim here is the poor Palestinian citizen. When will some true leadership arise in this dungheap. hamas like arafats band of hoods before them are learning that it is easier to hand out a loaf of bread than create a society where people can feed themselves. as we have seen throughout history thugs take over a "government' and exploit their own people.

hamas is no real threat to Israel, as this writer correctly points out Israel can obliterate them. But Israel holds itself to a higher standard for its own people and even its enemy. Until the palestinians elect and maintain a government that will look after their own needs rather than spew hate they are destined to the subpar existence they have been relegated to.

Even James Zogby, on CNN, said Israel should promote economic activity and other societal opportunities for the palestinians, sounding strangely like he is abandoning self rule for palestinians as he realizes that to date no palestinian "leaders" have credibly taken up the cause of growth, safety, lawfulleness, sanitary living conditions, justice, education.. all the duties of government that civilized societies take for granted.

Until true leadership shows up in gaza, Abdul Sixpack can't accomplish what should be important to him, getting a decent job and supporting and educating his kids in safety.

nadine   January 5th, 2009 5:22 pm ET

moti :-

It's the aggressiveness if the Zionist beliefs and actions that have brought the Palestinian people to react with such aggressiveness. If it were the opposite and the Palestinians were funded with such weaponry and financial aid, how would the Jewish people like it if the Palestinians greatly discriminated against them in terms of impersonating them in a fixed area with very little humanitarian rights while under heavy bombardment. Wouldn't the Jews want to fight back because isn't it unfair!

Solomon   January 5th, 2009 5:23 pm ET

"As for the “innocent citizens”, I’m not sure of how many there really ar"

Paul
. does it make any difference if they are 10 or 100 .the way you put it tell me you dont know because they are Palestinians .

you probably remember their names if they are Jews.
it is not Hamas that is responsible it is Israel
Hamas started in 1987. Occupation started in 1967. that is the problem OCCUPATION

nadine   January 5th, 2009 5:24 pm ET

i agree with paul

nadine   January 5th, 2009 5:25 pm ET

mito:-

It’s the aggressiveness if the Zionist beliefs and actions that have brought the Palestinian people to react with such aggressiveness. If it were the opposite and the Palestinians were funded with such weaponry and financial aid, how would the Jewish people like it if the Palestinians greatly discriminated against them in terms of impersonating them in a fixed area with very little humanitarian rights while under heavy bombardment. Wouldn’t the Jews want to fight back because isn’t it unfair!

As I can recall, there wasn't a time that the Jewish people had a country either, the holy land has been has been disputed for centuries, so what gives them the right to conquer it and render it a strictly Jewish state with great discrimination against non-Jews , what about the Christians and the muslim palistinians!? They have no right to conquer it and call it a strictly Muslim or Christian natio

So why do Jews have that given right ?!

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 5:28 pm ET

"If a boyfreind was hitting your sister"

Starting a conversation with "if" as sounding its reaction and not as action , can never be a base and you know that ... i can tell you other events that start with the same if that will make the sister guilty to the nick.

Its not the same people are dying and i would prefer that my sister is 300 Yards Between Life And Death, same title of this page.

CS   January 5th, 2009 5:29 pm ET

THERE WAS A VERY INFORMATIVE AND OBJECTIVE ARTICLE WRITTEN BY A JEWISH PROFESSOR ON http://WWW.IFAMERICANSKNEW.ORG. CHECK IT OUT

m kelly   January 5th, 2009 5:36 pm ET

why isnt the media and the rest of the world including the U.N. crying over the constant rocket attacks on Israel??? the israeli goverment has done what every other world goverment has done to others, embargos, ect and it hasn't worked? would england, france germany or other EU contries tolerate rocket attacks on their soil? or any other world nation for that matter? Diplomatic and other means have failed. maybe if the goverments of Gaza and other bordering arab states are serious about peace and living together and stop spending time and money on terror weapons and wow heres a idea spend time and money on their people and to better the world, the sensless violence and useless wars may end.

ASEEL   January 5th, 2009 5:38 pm ET

AS IM READING EVERYONES OPINIONS I SEE THAT HALF THE PEOPLE DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THERE TALKING ABOUT AND THE OTHER HALF IS JUST SAYING THE SAME IMFORMATION EVERYONE ELSE HAS BEEN SAYING IM A PALESTINIAN AND PROUD IVE LIVED HERE ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND WHATS RIGHT FROM WRONG.

ITS HARD TO KNOW THAT DURING ANY MOMENT ISREAL SOLIDERS CAME COME TO OUR HOMES AND TAKE ANYONE THEY WANT FOR NO REASON THERE EXCUSE IS"THERE BAD PEOPLE" BUT DOSENT THAT MAKE THE ISREAL 'JEWS" BAD PEOPLE TO BY TAKING MY FAMILY AND BEATING THEM JUST TO BE SATISFIED. IVE LIVED HERE ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THAT WOLRD ISNT GETTING THE TRUTH AND ARE BEING LIED TO

EVERYONE WANTS A FREE AND HAPPY PEACEFUL LIFE RIGHT?

WHY CANT GAZA HAVE THE SAME THING OR EVEN BETTER
PALESTINE.

WHO WOULD WANT TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT DOSENT HAVE MEDICAL AID BEACUSE THE ISREALIS, WHO WOULD WANT TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT DOSENT HAVE ENOUGH FOOD FOR THERE CHILDREN BEACUSE THE ISREALIS DONT FEEL LIKE THE PALESTINIANS NEED IT, WHO WOULD WANT TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WERE U CANT GO IN AND OUT TO OTHER PARTS OF OUR OWN COUNTRY ,WHO WOULD WANT TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WERE EVERY NIGHT THE ELECTRICITY CUTS OFF BEACUSE THE ISREALI TROOPS JUST WANT A GOOD LAUGH?

NO ONE AM I RIGHT?

GAZA HAD A RIGHT TO STAND UP FOR THEM SELVES YES GAZA BOMBED ISREAL BUT WOUNDT YOU WHEN THERE TAKING AWAY THE HOPES AND DREAMS FROM YOUR LIFE AND MAKING UR FAMILY SUFFER THOSE LITTLE BOMBS GAZA IS SENDING INTO ISREAL IS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT ISREAL HAD DONE RIGHT NOW 540 PALESTINIANS HAVE DIED AND 2400 HAVE BEEN INJURED BY THE ATTACKS FROM ISREAL. TO THIS MOMENT NUMBERS ARE STILL RISING EVER SECOND.

ISREAL SAYS THERE THE VICTIMS AND THEY WANT PEACE HOW CAN ISREAL WANT PEACE WHEN THERE KILLING PALESTINIANS AND TAKING THERE FREDOM AWAY
EXAMPLE
1)GAZA CITIZENS CANT GO IN OR OUT OF GAZA
2) THE FAMOUS WALL THEY BULIT THE SEPERATE OUR LAND
3)THE HORRIBLE TREATMEANT TO THE PALESTINIANS BECAUSE THERE DIFFERENT THEN ISREALIS

AND HOW COME WHEN THE OTHER COUNTRIES TRY TO SEND SHIPS SUPPLIES TO HELP THE PALESTINIANS ISREAL DOSENT LET IT GO THROUGH?

THIS WHOLE WAR IS HIDDEN BEHIND LIES

CS   January 5th, 2009 5:42 pm ET

It's ironic that israel is supposed to be a democratic state, but they claim that their right to israel is because of their religious heritage.
Asian nations are not so because their people are Buddhist. America is not reserved for only Christians. Israel w/ the help of the U.N. and U.S., evicted the Palestinians in 1948. People who use the bible as an excuse for presant day events...the bible was't written in 1948. Because that's how old Israel the state is. Israel the nation were a people, not a peice of real estate.
That's all water under the bridge, as we still are here and now. So Israel has to stop opressing Palestine and other Islamic nations if they want peace. They were literally starving the Palestinians during the cease fire.

Paul   January 5th, 2009 5:49 pm ET

It seems both sides here don't get it. Meaning the bloggers.

There is no palestinian leadership. plotting suicide bombings is not leadership. build a school, educate physicians.

is it really surprising that the cycle of violence is unbroken.

take the money for the bombs and create rather than destroy. hamas can start by saying their mission is NOT to destroy Israel.

Ultimately it is hamas that is holding back the palestinian people.

CS   January 5th, 2009 5:49 pm ET

Moti, you're way off. Why don't you read the writings of one of your own countrymen at http://WWW.IFAMERICANSKNEW.org. As Morphious said before offering the red and blue pill, "All I am offering is the truth, nothing more" But you, like Cypher, probably wish to remain ignorant or rufuse the truth because to some "Ignorance is bliss."
As for Nadine, the text that I speak of puts your date of 1948 dead accurate:)

abdul   January 5th, 2009 5:54 pm ET

Ben,

I am impressed by your research. So are you trying to justify Israeli killings on innocent people by this research???

The fact is all that you mentioned is wrong and what Hamas and Jews are doing is wrong.

Calm down have a cold drink and think that human life no matter where is precious.

nodrog   January 5th, 2009 6:02 pm ET

Hey all-If given a chance, Israel would work with it's neighbors to help create a better life for all in the Middle East. The fact is, however, that many neighbors choose misery over peace and progress. This has been historically the way of the Palestnian leadership. The Palestinian people should look at why? they are held back from a decent life by their own leaders, not blame every problem on Israel. Why not build instead of tear down, as Hamas seems intent on doing??

Elmo   January 5th, 2009 6:10 pm ET

Hamas- defined by Britannica Concise Encyclopedia states that this group is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. Let us addrss this...it is no less than the Iranian leader statement. Israel has the right to live and in peace.

Farag Elsayed   January 5th, 2009 6:13 pm ET

what is happening in Gaza today it is shame on the international community. USA blocking the cease fire and on the hand talks about human right issues.

If Israel looking for peace just end the occupation it is a very simple equation.

thanks

Palestinian   January 5th, 2009 6:19 pm ET

look guys, we all know Palestine for Palestinian people and there was nothing called Israel before 1948, British gave Palestine to Jew as gift.
any way for who stand with Jew....did you every seen Palestinian people say jew has the right to have Palestine ??? but in the other side more than 30% of Jews knows and said Palestine is for Palestinian.
think about losing all your family you small sister, brothers, suns then how come you see the life....just think about .....!!
now in gaz almost 600 are killed and so soon... and all world silent even the arab or Muslim shittttt countries even Europ and the loyal friend USA .
all silent ...all silent but we have know that people they want there land back...and one day will have it back...not by usa or eroup or arab...will have it back trust me.
every day i checked the usa media it all show you that problem in palestine is hamas....!! what about before 10 15 years what about after 15 20 years.!!!!! im not a hams supporter but i support the kids, the women, children they did not seen the life yet....what there fault just look to the others than American media and see how many kidds and women,old people killed ...and they killed by weapons which not use before....treat us like rats ....are you call your self human ...shame in you shame in you.

I'm not saying we have to clean Plaestine from jew, I have many jews friends here and in palestine but these friends know the truth. we lived from 1994 to 1999 in peace then what happen....mr sharwn want to enter the al-quds mosque......why??

I wish we can live in peace with jew but trust me they not...they want to kike us out side Palestine and you all word....but we are here and we are not going to leave our home even if you killed even the last tree in Palestine... we will be back.

Thanks for every body understand what going in palestine i am sure many of you do but some say it other kept inside and other try to be with other side and the knows they are wrong

Paul   January 5th, 2009 6:26 pm ET

I fro one don't understand what hamas brings to the equation.

I understand palestinians abandonment of arafats crew, particularly after he raped the coffers and continually left viable deals on the table.

By now it should be clear that hamas has nothing to offer. palestinians need a focused leadership building the proper infrastructure. not a group of bandits having meaningless rallies calling for the destruction of Israel or killing supposed collabarators. Every second wasted not moving to the goal of functioning cities puts the palestinians furhter back and poisons even more palestinians. arabs living within Israel have police protection, a stable environment to sell their wares and educate their kids. this should be the aim.

if the thugs somehow destroy Israel, then what, who or how are they going to lead their people or will they just move on to another fictitious enemy perhaps christian vs moslem arab, then orthodox christian vs roman catholic.

can't we just cut the crap and move ahead with our lives.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 6:29 pm ET

Hey you nodrog... Israel for the past 60 years has not worked with its neighbors?.... why would these be its neighbors anyways?... who gave Israel the right to take someone else's land and consider the sourounding Arab countries its neighbors?.... The Palestinians are our neighbors and Hamas are only a representation of those Palestinians who have the right to live in Peace in their land. Israeli's who want to live in Palestine need to learn to live in Palestine under the government the Palestinian chooses. Instead they came and choose the terror path by creating the Haganah, the Irgun and the Stern gangs to terrorize the Palestinians and push them out of their homes and land. Now they do not want the Palestinian to fight back for their homeland.

Occupation never succeeded in the past and it will never in the future so just prepare to move to the North Pole or maybe Idaho, or Alaska.

Amir   January 5th, 2009 6:31 pm ET

nodrog said: "The fact is, however, that many neighbors choose misery over peace and progress. "

How about the Saudi Peace plan? It's been offered for a good portion of the last decade, and Israel refuses it because it asks for the removal of the illegal Settlements.

Israel isn't interested in co-existance because it jeopardizes the idea of expansion. It's time for the moderate Israelis to speak up.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 6:34 pm ET

Paul,

Hamas brings to the table the language that Israel understands. Arafat and Abbas now are interested in filling their bank accounts... Hamas was the only group who built schools, hospitals and created a social presence. Thats why people voted them into office.

How they lead their people in the future after they destroy Israel is not your concern its the people of Palestine's.

Peacethename   January 5th, 2009 6:34 pm ET

I am not sure what the issue. Is it Israel Security!
That is fine.
Then based on the facts and the UN resolutions the Palestinians shall announce the creation of their State immediately and have Israel LEAVE their territories and stop controlling their boarders. All refugees must return.
Any violation from Israel or not complying with the basic Security of Palestine or the safety of their people shall be stopped.

All parties within Palestine must protect the women and childer of Palestine within their state at all costs.

ASEEL   January 5th, 2009 6:36 pm ET

how is hamases mission to destroy isreal
hamas is only trying to defend themselves and try to get there rights back and try to make there people live in better conditions

how is it fair that isreal can kill so many palestinian people . and palestininan people cant try to make them stop

hamas only threw the bomb into isreal b/c
why would the people want to live horrible

they would rather die by getting killed and going to heaven then living a dreadful life

you guys call us terrorist beacuse we kill people?

then what are they?

Radad   January 5th, 2009 6:36 pm ET

Palesinte also known as Isreal is a occupied country/state.it waz occupied from 1948-2009 thats only by the isrealies .Palestine has been occupied longer then any of us can rember,yes i do agree that Palestine was never a free country,but why cant it be like every where else,and to nodrog ,Isreal isnt as innocent as u think it is,first try living on the other side of the wall and tell me what you feel

nodrog   January 5th, 2009 6:37 pm ET

Hey again- It seems to me that Palestinians are truly ignorant of how good life can be...no concept of giving up hatred and strife for the greater good, including their own children. I think the dominance of their quasi-religious views on life is not helping either. Forget the afterlife, which has not been shown to exist! Life, whatever it is, is happening right now! And Palestinians are, by listening to Arafats and Hamas, granting themselves precious little of it.
Palestinians, protest your own leaders! Demand peace of THEM, that they not ruin your lives and childrens for ever!!

MoZ   January 5th, 2009 6:38 pm ET

For those who claim that Arabs or Moslems have historically been hostile towards Jews, you have listed a few incidents that occured in the past 100 years. I would like to point out the following:
1) There has been hostilities towards Arabs during the same period especially in Palestine, I could provide a long list too.
2) The cause of hostilities between Arabs and Jews is the Zionism movement and its racist policies in Palestine since early 1900s.
3) Jews have flourished economically, socially and even politically, in some cases, under Arab/Moslem rule, e.g. Islamic Spain
4) Jews lived peacefully under the protection of Moslems even when other nations targeted them. When Moslems and Jews were kicked out of Spain into North Africa, Moslems allowed Jews to seek refuge in North Africa with them. If Moslems are hostile to Jews living among them, would they allow them to move in?
Let us be fair.

Radad   January 5th, 2009 6:41 pm ET

nodrog im not sure if your trying too be raciest or just stupid,first of all you problly have it good but most of us dont,and what greater good is there,a few months of peace,then Isreal will attack again,you seem very ignorant .let me ask you ir your american would you rebel aginst your president?,and if you havent noticed Arafat is dead

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 6:42 pm ET

Yeah right nodron is the only one who knows how the good life can be.... why don't you shut the f-- up and let the Palestinians decide what they want and how they want to live and who do they want to lead them.

There was a fair election and Hamas won.... if you don't like it go put your head in the dirt.

Radad   January 5th, 2009 6:45 pm ET

no offence lyas but I am Palestinian but i really dont favor Hamas,id rather Fatih won,and Lyas sorry but Hamas took over Gaza they didnt win by election

soraya   January 5th, 2009 6:47 pm ET

I am really sorry to realize that dignity of human brings is not being respected.I condemn the silence of those who claim to be Arabs and Muslims .Now Israel is doing a dirty job,and we are witnessing like statues what's going on there.STOP THE WAR FOR INOCENT PEOPLE ARE BEING SLAUGHTERED

Paul   January 5th, 2009 6:47 pm ET

OK lyas.. I like the atitude.. your vituperativeness shows the depths of your ignorance. during the last intifada did not the palestinians ransack their very profitable casino. yes hamas built schools and taught suicide bombing.. if your social aim is to die for your god why do you need hospitals at all.

your politics of destruction is self defeating. why don't you try and look ahead instead of back at all your failed leaders and your abandonment by the rest of the arab world. today could be the first day in the rest of your life.

And for the record, i have every faith that the just side will prevail in the current conflict.

Valeria Lippman   January 5th, 2009 6:48 pm ET

Karl, first of all be safe. You are an objective and excellent reporter bringing us a first hand witness account of this sad history. Thanks for not playing the propaganda game. I only wish your stories had more exposure at CNN US. The images of the boat incident debunked all spin.

Now we will be bombarded with Anderson Cooper´s "Reporter´s Notebooks" with cheesy images of him posing in Israel and as he did at the Lebanon conflict, claiming that civilian casualties are "Hamas propaganda", not real.

I just saw some published AP images at a Boston Newspaper Site with hard and crude examples of how kids are dying. The only ones with "strong content advisory" were the ones with killed animals in the conflict.. I was agast! but unfortunately, here in the USA there is more sensibility towards the death of dogs and cats than children.

Maybe they should be widespread... lets see how they are going to spin it... " oh that kitten was part of the Hamas operative inteligence"...

nodrog   January 5th, 2009 6:49 pm ET

Yeah, and Israel isn't going anywhere!! Get used to it!! You can always put your head in the dirt. Lets both do that together tomorrow! Hamas is helping you so much, right? Curse at me, I don't care. You are choosing death over a good life. Why? You know that positive change is much more work than destruction, is that why you don't favor that option?

Paul   January 5th, 2009 6:50 pm ET

have to leave the dialogue, I have to go to work, not throw stones work peacefully so i can provide for my family. thankfully my government provides a safe environment fullof law and opportunity within which i can buy my kids things they do not need.

Radad   January 5th, 2009 6:53 pm ET

Paul Hospitals are for every one who is injured , and why would some one build schools too teach suicide bombing even some one as simple minded as you can strap on a bomb and run into something ,im guessing you are good at ruining into things , It's because of people like you there isn't peace in the world,wars are usally for land,oil,and occupation,which are signs of greed and out of greed comes nothing but hate, i can bet more then half the population already hates you,stop embarrassing your self and go turn on the history channel and learn something

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 6:54 pm ET

Paul,

For your information I am not a Palestinians.... But I do not like what Israel is doing because its crimes against humanity and its leaders should be tried for war crimes.

I do not believe in destruction but thats what Israel wants for its neighbors. I do not look back but I learn from the past and look ahead. I have all the faith that the occupiers will eventually leave with their tail between their legs. And the freedom will prevail for the rightful owners of the land.

Radad   January 5th, 2009 6:57 pm ET

nodrog what part of"I do not believe in Hamas "don't you under stand,and I am glad Israel isnt going any where ,and im too busy with my head up high ,so if you would like too stick your head in the dirt and enjoy your so called perfect life then go ahead
and for the record
who said i would give up life for death?
stop putting words in my mouth and start learning how to pronounce right

nodrog   January 5th, 2009 7:01 pm ET

I am just saying this conflict is horrible. Stop provoking Israel snd ask instead for help putting your lives together. Ask what will make a positive change. Don't respond "the death of Israel". Not gonna happen.

Radad   January 5th, 2009 7:01 pm ET

o paul im sorry i forgot about you,i dont mind throwing a rock,seeing it takes a man too fight,but seeing you dont even know what a real fight looks like,whats the most action you have seen ?from cartoons?
come on man please just stop ,and go support your family no one is stoping,but rember its not my government that's taping my phone ,or reading my mail,good luck keeping your kids away from drugs
have a good day buddy

Radad   January 5th, 2009 7:04 pm ET

nodrog we arent the ones asking for it,and no one is provoking Israel except for Israels people ,i didnt ask for the war and i dont even live near it,i was born in america and was raised there but i still have Palestine in my blood,and even if we are asking for the war,why kill kids?

Larry   January 5th, 2009 7:07 pm ET

Peter Rogers asks how America would feel if Canada and Mexico sealed it's borders and built a wall. Peter Rogers is an idiot. If America was sending it's sons and daughters into Canadian and Mexican malls, buses and centers with bombs strapped to them, I suspect that Canada and Mexico would be thrilled to have a protective barrier, and America would understand.

Peter, aren't we building a security wall to separate Mexico and Arizona ?
Stop the double standards already.

ASEEL   January 5th, 2009 7:09 pm ET

first of all u ignorant peace of crap i am currently living in palestine so unlike me u dnt know the real story you believe all the bullshit the media tells you without doing your own research. you are prabably a jew thats why your saying all this.one day everyone will know the truth and you will remember me. But, for know since the whole world is against palestine and is looking at gaza and the innocent people dieing you think your right. You concider little children not knowing anything in this world a terrorist why do they have to die there not doing anything to anyone there so hepless. The only terrorist are the Isralies

nodrog   January 5th, 2009 7:11 pm ET

Radad, I am referring to rockets fired by Hamas into Israel being provocation. I am sure you are not a supporter of that, so where do we go from here? I don't want to see any more death, that's for sure. I want to see people really working together. I think we have a lot in common- people everywhere! Build on that, is all I ask.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 7:11 pm ET

nodrog,

the death of Israel is coming you know that and I know that... its in the bible... or now you don't even believe in the bible? well maybe not... people like you only believe in military might. But, as you know all empires with all their military might in the history has gone down... so just be patient and wait that time will come eventually.

You can in the meantime be kind to human beings or be a warcriminals.... its your choice.

Its jjust a matter of time.... so be prepared for it.

Skitzn   January 5th, 2009 7:12 pm ET

Radad...(I don't agree with the conflict) the kids wouldn't be killed if the cowards would come out and fight. If they would stop hiding behind civilians and take it to the open fields like they did in the good ol' days. Braveheart!!!

nadine   January 5th, 2009 7:13 pm ET

For the record,if u claim to be attacking "Hamas"why is 1/3 of the victims kids.are you telling me that 1-5 year olds are that dangerous ,come on man atleast stick with what your aiming for ,you guys have no heart every time you kill a kid ,u probably say ,opps...then kill another one,

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 7:17 pm ET

Israel and its supporters (like the little cowards on this blog) are running a misinformation campaign. They think if they lie and hide the truth they can beat a people into submission.

That does not work you idiots.... People can see through you all the lies... There are enough people who know the history enough and not afraid to tell the truth.

Radad   January 5th, 2009 7:18 pm ET

i under stand but i mean every thing leads to something else ,and yes hamas sent missiles but whats the reason for that?"Israel attacking people in gaza was.and i do want peace,and i want the massacre too stop but i dont think its that easy for both sides.
and nothing personal dude

Gary   January 5th, 2009 7:18 pm ET

If the rule of law is absent, unwilling, or unable stop Hamas from firing rockets into a population mass from within Gaza, Israel must stop it themselves. Hamas must have realized this reaction from Israel would come sooner or later, and they would rather see a disproportionate number of their own people die by Israeli hands just to rally the world against Israel; this is their only true weapon. I cannot believe they care so little for their own people.
This is a tragic situation, I sincerely hope the bloodshed stops, and no more hostile actions are provoked by either side.

nodrog   January 5th, 2009 7:20 pm ET

Well ,I gotta go. Thanks for all your discussion. Good luck.

Radad   January 5th, 2009 7:22 pm ET

ight you 2,no hard feelings take care

nodrog   January 5th, 2009 7:22 pm ET

One more thing...do you all post here often? Maybe we can continue another time? Thanks again.

ASEEL   January 5th, 2009 7:22 pm ET

radad and nadine

are weird

Radad   January 5th, 2009 7:23 pm ET

ight i guess this is the last comment i submit
good night every one
take care

Radad   January 5th, 2009 7:25 pm ET

nope nordog lol first time here
well talk to you later
hopefully we can argue later lol

nadine   January 5th, 2009 7:25 pm ET

israel said the people that die, are as much people that left gaza.

more then 500 died, & more thenn 2700 are hurt.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 7:26 pm ET

Aseel,

Radad and Nadine are ignorant.... you can just ignore them. They do not know the history... they do not even know what is going on right now by the Israeli children killers. They are just part of the misinformation campaign that the Israeli war machine is playing to win the hearts of the people.... but the good hearts are better than to be won by child killers.

River Steuter   January 5th, 2009 7:27 pm ET

A collection of countries in a far away continent have decided that Americans may no longer live in America and that it will now be the home to the Jewish people. Would Americans accept this and vacate their land. If they fought for their homes, their children, their livelihood, would they and their democratically elected government be labelled terrorists? Would the aboriginal Indians who never left also be forced to leave?

Palestine belongs to Palestinians first and foremost. They never left it. They have every right to fight for their land. It seems that the only thing the Jewish people have learned from the holocaust is how to create their own. How ironic. It speaks volumes about human nature. What a despicable animal the human race is!

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 7:28 pm ET

Nadine, you cannot even make sense.... Do you speak english? Try to speak in your own language and we can translate for you.... ;-p

Skitzn   January 5th, 2009 7:31 pm ET

Wow...lyas. It's hard to tell how you really feel. This won't be solved with more hate.

Radad   January 5th, 2009 7:31 pm ET

lyas ,if you havent noticed i said im Palestinian,and i make more sense then u do ,and i am not ignorant,iv been sitting here watching your back
looks like your just too hard headed too notice whos on your side
and for your information
aseel knows me in real life and we are good friends

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 7:34 pm ET

Skitzn,

I do not have hate in my heart to anyone believe me.... but I can't stand war criminals and children killers.... and I would like to see those end in warcrimes courts.

But, people have the right to defend themselves and fight the occupiers... That is a right protected by all the international law and by all the religious books.

ASEEL   January 5th, 2009 7:35 pm ET

this isnt a friends problem and no personal probelms

u guys are putting this on a different topic

nadine   January 5th, 2009 7:35 pm ET

lyas im guessing you just cant read properlly,when u can ,then u might under stand me

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 7:36 pm ET

Oops sorry about that Radad... I knew you were Palestinian.... I mistyped nodrog name.

MILTON   January 5th, 2009 7:37 pm ET

what did Hamas achieve in firing rockets into Israel.? the reaction of the israel. which they use as an excuse, to blame for the socail and economic problem in Palestine, by divertting attention from the actual problem to the israeli reaction to the rockets fired all the time.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 7:38 pm ET

Radad, please accept my apology.

Radad   January 5th, 2009 7:38 pm ET

lol its ok
sorry about dissing you then i guess
just read what u said and was wondering "what did i do wrong"lol

Radad   January 5th, 2009 7:39 pm ET

apology accepted=]

ASEEL   January 5th, 2009 7:40 pm ET

i mean

everyone knows wats isreals main goal
is to get all the land in palestine

they settle in land that is not theres.they make homes and bane is from our own land?

they said there goal for right now is to kill all the hamas leaders then after they do that whats next?

they start killing more palestinians and try to make eveyone belive that its for the good of the people ?

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 7:40 pm ET

Nadine,

Please translate this to me... "israel said the people that die, are as much people that left gaza."

nadine   January 5th, 2009 7:42 pm ET

lyas im really on your side, im palestinan like radad & aseel.. im living in palestine right now.. & i really do see whats going on, theres nothing for me to be ignorant about.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 7:45 pm ET

No Aseel,

Israel main goal is to grab the land between the Nile to Euphratees.... Its the two blue lines on their flag. Its a land hungry country.

nadine   January 5th, 2009 7:46 pm ET

well we all know that israel wants to kick out people from palestine, so they can take it.; but there killing people, so its bascally to israel 500 people are gone from palestine.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 7:51 pm ET

Oops... how did I do this twice?... I remember reading your first comment Nadine and i agreed with you then but somewho things got crossed in my head... Sorry about that. I am going to take a break now.... The news have been upsetting me too much and i am getting sick i think.

I am sorry Nadine too.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 7:53 pm ET

Oh ok... now I see your point Nadine... thanks for clarifying.

Again accept my apology.

Larry   January 5th, 2009 7:54 pm ET

Aseel and Lyas are perfect examples of a culture that raises it's children to hate. They cannot separate fact from the fiction they have been spoon-fed since birth. I bet that they even believe that 70 virgins are waiting for them if they "martyr" themselves by committing mass murder.
I'll bet that they danced in the streets when the Twin Towers fell along with all the other mongrols.
Their kind cannot survive in a modern society. They are doomed to extinction unless they change. Again, look at the FOX NEWS special on the son of the Hamas founder who converted to Christianity and has renounced Hamas and the faith that spawned Hamas. Of course, there is a fatwa on his head because, after all, isn't that what they do ?

Dinesh   January 5th, 2009 7:56 pm ET

Come on CNN.... don't give us half the facts.......you tel us that over 500 Palestinians have been killed. You will not tell us how many of these were Hamas fighters. Many commentators have indicated that 75% to 80% of those killed have been Hamas fighters – the rest civilians. You need to state this EVERY time you mention the total number killed. Your failure to give the FULL facts degrades the value of your journalism. There was a time when CNN had pride in the QUALITY of its journalism. ..... PS: Will this comment get the attention of the CNN editorial board? Will they do something about it? ... Somehow I doubt it.

Final Redemption   January 5th, 2009 8:01 pm ET

Peter Rogers January 5th, 2009 1534 GMT

If Canada and Mexico built walls around America, prevented any imports and exports, no air traffic or shipping allowed. Would the American people stand for that?

Bill Boland January 5th, 2009 1540 GMT

Peter: I wish the biased Americans and Israelis read, understand and respond to ur question.

Very bright.

To my learned friends Peter and Bill, in response to your dialogue, let me answer with a question:

If Canada and Mexico consistently attacked the US with suicide bombings and rocket attacks day after day, month after month and year after year, would the American people stand for that?

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 8:01 pm ET

Larry,

you are a good example of a piece of sh–. Becasue you do not know me... You do not know my culture and you do not know who and where I was raised. You just put me in the same culture with Aseel becuase I agree with her. See how stupid you are.

The one who is doing the mass killing is Iseael and its culture and they think if they lie about it people believe them.... But I do know how to read the reports of all the human rights organizations who investigated some of their massacres.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 8:04 pm ET

Larry,

Oh yes and I will raise my children to be disgusted with the children killers and all those who abuse the human rights and those who support them.

Larry   January 5th, 2009 8:07 pm ET

Lyas, curiously you do not deny one word of what I said nor do you answer any of the questions that I posed in prior responses. Facts are facts and you cannot avoid them by name-calling, invective, fabrication and misinformation. Open your eyes, just like your Muslim brother did when he left Hamas and converted to Christianity. You will be a happier and more educated person, and then just maybe you can truly help your people.

Sidney Jahnsen   January 5th, 2009 8:10 pm ET

I hate seeing children suffer. Anyone who kills or does not strongly oppose the killing of children should be ashamed of himself.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 8:12 pm ET

Final Redemption,

Your analogy does not work... you need to ask the question in the context. The US is not occupying Mexico and Canada.

To your information, occupations in the history ended because of people fought back. That fighting back is a right of the occupied and that right is protected by international law.

If Israel want to continue occupying land of others then it better be ready to accept what is coming to her.

Larry   January 5th, 2009 8:16 pm ET

What about Jordan which occupies 90% of Palestine and killed a half-million Palestinians?
Come on now, my Muslim friends, answer the question. Ignoring facts will not make them disappear.

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 8:26 pm ET

The borders of Jordan, Syria, Palestine were the creation of the occupiers at the time. Lookup Sykes-Picot in the history books.

If Jordan, Syria, and Palestine abuse the human rights I will stand against them but what does that have to do with Israel?

Why do you change the subject? What we have at hand now is a war crime in Gaza by the Israelis.... What does Jordan have to do with the subject? Are you stupid or just acting like one?

Larry   January 5th, 2009 8:37 pm ET

It has everything to do with your perceptions and your true motives, namely, to drive out every non-Muslim entity from the Middle East. Your goal is to establish a Muslim empire in the middle East and destroy the Crusaders (as your hero Bin Laden refers to the Christian world). Only little Israel and the Great Satan stand in your way.
Are you seriously stating that Syria and Palestine do not abuse human rights ? What do you call sending out women and children strapped with bombs to commit mass murder and suicide ? Didn't Syria wipe out 20000 of it's own citizens?
What human rights is Israel abusing ? It's army could have wiped out the entire West Bank and Gaza in no time, yet, it is placing it's own soldiers in harm's way to avoid civilian casualties.
By the way, the prophet Mohammad respected Israel's borders and entitlement to Jerusalem. Mecca is your holy site. Do you now disagree with your own prophet? Blasphemy!

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 8:47 pm ET

For your information the christians in Palestine are suffering from Israel as much as the muslims of Palestine. Christians, Jews and Muslims lived in peace in the middle east before the the creation of Israel "A Jewish State" for jews only. I've never heard of any country in the middle eat who tried to kick out the christian or jew from it.

Your misinformation will not get you anywhere with me idiot because I know the truth more than you do.

Now yes most of the middle eastern countries if not all of them abuse human rights too but thats a discussion for a different day.

Today we are discussing the Israeli human rights abuses.

I will stand against anyone who abuses the human rights of the Jews, the Christians or the Muslims.

You don't try to tell me which is a holyland for me... because you do not know sh– about me, my faith or my prophet.

Sara Jane Bower   January 5th, 2009 8:52 pm ET

http://www.blossomnorge.com

800 CHILDREN KILLED!! Confirmed by two Norwegian doctors on NRK news a moment ago.

Peace

sara

Iyas   January 5th, 2009 8:53 pm ET

Larry,

Why you and your like always try to change the topic of discussion?.... this blog is about Gaza and what Israel human right abuses there... why do you have to change the subject and discuss Jordan or something else?... Stick to the topic or go somewhere else to talk about Jordan human rights abuses and I can meet you there maybe...

Sara Jane Bower   January 5th, 2009 8:54 pm ET

to Larry:

Who on earth told you that Jordans have killed Palestinians??????????

Rupert   January 5th, 2009 8:55 pm ET

Why this manic interest of the Israeli military operation against terrorists who are attacking Israel.
There must be more important topics in the world than this!

Who is in charge of North Korea? What is happening between India & Pakistan? What´s up with Putins gas-game?

Please CNN! Give me some important news!

Larry   January 5th, 2009 8:58 pm ET

Touchy aren't we, lyas? That's enough for today. At least you no longer deny your true motives and those of your brethren. Also, who told you that there was peaceful co-existence under Muslim rule pre-1948? Muslims in the Arab ruled countries did not allow churches or synagogues. Only in moderate Muslim societies like Morocco and Turkey was there any measure of religious freedom, and your radical brothers are trying to destabilize those regimes, too.
So long for now.

Mr. Practical   January 5th, 2009 9:02 pm ET

Seeing children crippled and killed is heartbreaking... and I can't imagine anyone sane human desiring this result... regardless of his religion. The unfortunate fact of the matter remains...it happens during war... and has happened for as long as there have been humans on earth. Even with the most sophisticated weapons technology, ordinance can stray from its intended target... just as an auto can stray from a roadway with a competent driver behind the wheel... and have proportionate and unfortunate results.

I have no doubt that the Israeli military does not TARGET children & the like... but any foe intending to elicit a world-wide damnation (against it's foe) may be tempted to position children in known weapons storage or 'hot' areas... I don't know what the facts are... but I don't believe HAMAS has such an overwhelming value of life to put this disturbing thought aside very long.

Militarily, its absurd to think Israel will not use its air power to attempt to soften HAMAS, it's will and its people's support for them. This is done to reduce their own loss of life, but is imprecise... You would want nothing different if you had a loved on in Israel's military.

I have difficulty believing that most person's not native to Israel and that immediate area fully grasp the culture, mistrust and out and out dislike for many of their neighbors that exists there. I don't fully grasp it myself... but I try and gain perspective at every opportunity.

I that attempt, and now knowing what HAMAS values and what beliefs it has acted upon... I believe that Gaza needs a change in leadership... if that is due to an Israeli bullet, then so be it... the people do deserve better than what they have... & have had in recent memory... I can only hope that that comes soon... but its not yet bad enough yet to motivate complacent people into action... those people have already moved to a more productive part of the region to have more productive and safer lives for themselves and their families.

Star of David   January 5th, 2009 9:06 pm ET

Rod, Frankly I'm disgusted that you call yourself a Jew. It surprises me that someone so up to date with Israeli politics can speak the way you do.

Nona, I commend you on being able to continue a conversation with such idiocy and applaud every single one of your questions, answers and comments.

G-d bless are soldiers and the land of Israel.

Larry   January 5th, 2009 9:09 pm ET

Sara,
Just look it up in any history book. How do you think all the Palestinian refugees got to the West Bank. Palestine was Jordan before Jordan engaged in a bloody battle and evicted it's Palestinian population.
Remember Israel has existed only since 1948 and won Jerusalem in 1967. It is a new country in it's infancy.
Who do you think controlled Gaza and the West Bank before Israel ?
The Arab media would have you believe that the refugee problem is an Israeli creation. In fact, none of the 40 or so million Arabs wanted the Palestinians. Hence the refugee problem. All of this is out there. Don't believe the garbage being said about the only two moral countries in the world (US and Israel).
Glad you asked.
Check this link: http://www.iexplore.com/dmap/Jordan/History

Final Redemption   January 5th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Iyas,

Clearly you have a very strong opinion that Muslim terrorists are in the right and no one has the right to defend their country from these bloodthirsty maniacs. You spend all your time here venting your anger trying to convince everyone in this blog to see your point of view.
Obviously, there are people here who have a different point of view, and their bias is toward Israel and her right to defend her people. I and Larry happen to be examples of the other school of thought. I'm not suddenly going to change my opinion because you feel strongly about terrorism. I'm afraid neither is Israel. And when two sides feel very strongly about their own point of view....wars happen.

Larry   January 5th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

Here Here Rupert.
Why all the fuss about what is really a small military operation ?
America is in war on two international fronts while trying to secure it's borders, yet the media is falling all over itself to cover a small military skirmish in the Gaza.

Tanjah   January 5th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

Calli;
I did not want to get nivolved in an endless Tennis match, but your commnets about the persecution of Jews in Morocco; rubbed me the wrong way. The French who occupied Morocco during WWII did not protect the Jews (both Moroccan Jews as well as their bretheren fleeing Anti-semetic Europe to find refuge in Morocco). The King of Morocco at the Time Mohamed V; whose picture still decorates hundreds of homes in Isreal to this day; deserves great praise for his decency at a time of great turmoil, because he boldly refused to cooperate with Vichy-Regime in France; and declared that Jews in Morocco were his "subjects" just like the Muslims. carrying on a tradition in this North African country that dates back to the days of Andalucia; and beyond. Ask any Jew of Moroccan decent today about the ciscumstances that pushed their family to leave their ancestral land (Morocco); and they'll bitterly describe a time when they were manipulated by many political factions (yes, including Zionism) to leave Morocco and migrate to Israel (mainly to populate the newly founded state of Israel). May I suggest that you pick up a book or two, and read about this particular region and its very unique Jewish experience that spans thousands of years; and you'll be amazed at just what happened. To this day, whether they are in Montreal; Mexico city, or Marrakech; Moroccan Jews will tell you that the dwindling numbers of their community in Morocco had more to do with Politics; than persecution; a rare exception indeed for a people who have been chased around from everywhere for centuries...To this day, there is a struggle amongst this community to try to understand its own history; and with the new King of Morocco (Mohamed VI); they are encouraged to come back from wherever they are; to study; learn; and share their experience in Morocco; with books, TV documentaries, Movies, Music; making this community one of the most vibrant Jewish communities in the World.

chahnaz   January 5th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

i have a question to hunk,i think we have the same answer.do u think the attack or gaza invasion was planned week ago only?

chahnaz   January 5th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

larry you are blind is 5000 injured people and 71 children murdured is a small war

abdul   January 5th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

Here is my question to every one on the blog:

In what fairness does the Israel have all the ammuniation in the world
supplied by USA ( all the planes F-16's, all the tanks Abrahms, all the michine guns M16's) every bullet fired and killed the Palestinians has the word " MADE IN USA" on it

So why shouldnt the Palestinians have the same right to have the army as well. Are they not humans enough or only the JEWS have the born right to defend themselves as OCCUPIERS

Can any one have the courage to answer a non bias reply.

Oleg   January 5th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

All this can be solved very easily. Gaza needs to be leveled. Have IDF make one final phone call to ALL people living there – get out or die! Then level the whole area with a nice big bomb. It's time to give these terrorists a taste of their own medicine. Oh, innocent women and children, are those your cries? Well hear the cries of hundreds of Israeli women and children, hundreds of women and children all over the world who fall victim to terrorist actions that hold no regard for innocents.

If there was one piece of advise I'd give to the Palestinians, it's this: There is a very good saying of "don't bring a knife to a gun fight" – don't instigate actions you can't handle. Do you want "your" land back? Do you want special treatment? Are your human rights being violated? You want the world to come to your defense – then put down your weapons and stop acting like terrorists. It's hard to convince the world you're the victim when you're firing rockets. You want to be heard? Make a stage where people will listen instead of ducking out of the way...

Panama216   January 5th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

In 1948 Al Nakba commenced. People want to pretend as if the exodus of the displaced Europeans who practiced Judaism,was some kind of homecoming that was sanctioned by god. This was certainly not the case. Jewish immigrants forced themselves into Palestine with the blessing of the West and have occupied land that does not belong to them ever since. Israel was recongnized by the American controlled UN to the detriment of the Palestinian people and this blood is on their hands as is all of the bloodshed since the day the UN decided to declare Israel a state. Remember the Israeli assassination of a Swedish envoy who wanted to report the atrocities exacted on the Palestinian people by the illegal European immigrants who have come to be known as Israelis,remember Al Nakba,remember the truth and not the revision of the truth.

abdul   January 5th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Two wrongs does not make a right" I am against all killings and human life is precious but here is my fare question to IDF???

The brave men and woman of IDF are worlds best trained for this kind of urban war fare. What I dont understand is why do these brave men and woman need all these tanks and boats and planes????

Are they not brave enough to walk in to gaza and have a real fight ( old fashion way) specially when the Hamas has nothing to fight with???

Can some one from IDF let me know why tehy had to bomb and kill innocent when the brave men could have walked in and taken care of the business ( I am sure they are not afraid of death) ????

Final Redemption   January 5th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

Abdul,

Why are you wanting a non-biased answer to your completely biased question?

abdul   January 5th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

Final redemption

Ok just answer the question without abusive words.

Abush   January 5th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

Gaza/Hamas is entirely responsible for Israels recent military actions. Had the "freedom fighters" stopped firing rockets into Israel, or at least renewed their ceasefire, the IDF would have no buisness in Gaza. It isnt too late, If Hamas could stop firing rockets at civillians, Israel would pull out of Gaza.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

Larry,

"Half a Million"

Could you please prove it …

Don’t run away … wait … let me close the door ……….. OK go.

Final Redemption   January 5th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Abdul,

You are an idiot. This isn't the Wild West. It is not a case of whether or not the IDF/Jews are afraid of death or not, it's just that they value life.
I realise this is a difficult idea to get your head around as you stem from a culture that encourages women and children to strap bombs to themselvs.

To have a real fight the old fashioned way, what do you mean? Like throwing stones? The world speaks of "disproportianate" force. What does the world expect israel to do in order to satisfy their proprtion calls? Throw stones? Send in suicide bombers? Fire rockets at innocent civilians?

Get real. if you want to play with the big dogs then eventually you are going to get bitten!

Jonas   January 5th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

This mess has been going on for decade after decade. The Palentinian militants (Hamas-Islamic Jihad, Fatah) do not want peace with Israel now or ever. The Palestinian people in Gaza voted for Hamas and look where it has gotten them – nothing but bloodshed, destruction, and tears. All Hamas wants is the destruction of the Jewish state and its people – you simply cannot negiotate with these people. Will they ever realize and understand that the world, especially the U.S.A., will never ever let this happen. Israel has the legitimate right to defend itself, and should wipe out the extremists once and for all. Any country has that right. Israel can no longer tolerate the daily rocket attacks against their innocent men, women, and children. No country could. Aren't these the same Palestinians that danced, celebrated, passed out candy, and cheered when our Twin Towers were destroyed in New York killing thousands of innocents on 9/11. You reap what you sow says the Lord God Almighty. I do feel sympathy for the truly innocent Palestinians used as shields and pawns by the cowardly Hamas Militants and others. Cannot the Palestinians understand that if they would find leaders with some dignity and compassion for human life, simply disarm, join with Israel in peace talks, renounce terrorism, and recognize Israel's right to exist, then they could both "share" the land together. A new free state for both parties with an "equal" representation government monitored by armed NATO forces stationed there as peacekeepers. Look at the South African model for peace. This is the only solution to this hate-filled quagmire, and hopefully it will come sooner rather than later.

abdul   January 5th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

When some genius Zionist leader decided to have the state of Israel in the midst of Arabs I am sure they knew what they were doing.

They were trying to grow apples in the orange field. Now we all know this cannot happen.

Israel has to go back to its original 1948 borders. End occupation. And international community should have balls enough to atleast feed as much arms to Palestinians so there is level field atleast.

Lastly curse the genius who decided to have the state in the middle of
Arabs because of some fairy tale story. Israel and Palestinians have to let go ego and talk not once may be thousand times and stop killing
We dont want another Hitler to born here do we????

Ben   January 5th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

The hand wringing for the poor civilians in Gaza is hypocrisy of the highest order. Since the '48 war, the arab world has set up camps for their civilians who they duped to rot in. Those people are merely propaganda grist for their mill.
The nonsense CNN keeps reporting about the lack of medical supplies, foodstuffs and money for the "desperate"civilian population is just that. There warehouses in Gaza stuffed with those supplies but are not being given to the civilian population.
Another point, why should Israel be held responsible for health and welfare of the Gazan civilians when their own "elected" leaders have assumed none. Billions of euros have been plugged into Gaza for their welfare, but it never gets to them. Rather it goes to pay for the rocketry from Iran and Syria, the training for their terrorist armies, the mortars being fired into Israel, etc.
Someday CNN will bluntly tell the truth. Hamas wants to destroy Israel, period. Now that Hamas has it's nose bloodied, she wants a cease fire. Peace is the last thing on it's agenda.
EU leaders are trying desperately to have Israel agree to self destruction. It won't happen. If I were a representative of the Israeli government, my response to those EU leaders would be;
#1 Hamas must be disbanded
#2 Armaments MUST be destroyed under the aegis of independent eyes; not UN as the UN is merely a tool of the arab entities
#3 If those two basics are not carried out and merely one additional rocket or mortar is fired into Israel, all bets are off and Israel will then treat Gaza as the British treated Dresden.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

Oleg,

"hundreds of women and children all over the world who fall victim to terrorist actions that hold no regard for innocents. "

The world will not relay on a cannibal like your IDF , its that occoupation and the present of the so called "Israel security" behind all the killing you see on the world, Isreal is a heavy moral burden on the world.

Its Israel and Palestine we want to save from people like you who want to level Gaza.

abdul   January 5th, 2009 10:16 pm ET

Final Redemption,

They the IDF and Jews value life??????????????

Which is 4 dead in Israel and 500 in Palestine???

Since Israel is after Hamas and care about the Population then why do we have 500 innocent killed??? Why cant the brave men just in the town and get the Hamas out. Save the innocent population???

You still didnt answer my question " why should Palestinians not have army full of ammunation and why Israel should??? Just answer the question in straight words

Final Redemption   January 5th, 2009 10:18 pm ET

The sooner the world comes to terms with the fact that Eretz Yisrael always was, is and will be a Jewish state then the sooner we can put this matter to rest.

Everyone seems to be forgetting the most important point of all...
G-d wants it to be a Jewish homeland. All the anti-Israel,
pro-Palestinian victim propaganda in the world is not going to change
G-d's mind.

Final Redemption   January 5th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

There will always be casualties in war Abdul.

Your question in incomplete Abdul. If Hamas are the brave fighters you claim them to be, then why do they hide behind the women and children of Gaza. If this is their fighting tactic then this will be the result. Why is this so difficult for you to see?

Abdul, open your eyes. The truth will set you free.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

chahnaz,

Days and weeks , no but the whole six-month, to lay the ground for the wiping out of Gaza.

A small update ....

Number of only children and women killed up to today morning 1163 which make a 40% of the total dead and wounded of the whole civilian numbers.

Final Redemption   January 5th, 2009 10:34 pm ET

Oh, and Abdul, I will answer your question in the converse. It's an old saying I once heard that rings true today more than ever.

If the Muslims laid down their arms there would be no more wars. If Israel laid down her arms there would be no more Israel.

Hunk   January 5th, 2009 10:38 pm ET

Ben,

"The hand wringing for the poor civilians in Gaza is hypocrisy of the highest order"

This kind of Israelis like you, give suicide bombers reasons to kill you on the name of your hypocrisy.

You are not allowing supply to the market, like rice , Sugar etc etc .... you control six exist – Egypt said it will not fail to the trick of Israel as you want to segregate Gaza from the West Bank and create new statue que and they have a diplomatic ties with you gov. who are losing faith on you.

You want a Nagasaki .... a real cannibals hirer of Hitler and the modern day Pharaohs.

Wiseguy   January 5th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

I guess some ignorant souls still believe that wiping out two entire Japanese cities was a good idea. Even if I insult them and say that they are ignorant, they are too egocentric to admit it or even realize it.

GS   January 5th, 2009 10:51 pm ET

Frankly I don't care what american Jews have to say about this situation. If they were really concerned they would live in Isreal and have the balls to change from with-in their country. This a world problem, not a race problem that american should fix.
The problem is that all of the non Palistian arabs who lost the in '47'
have moved on with their lives. The palistian people have not agnowleged their loss, and are still fighting. It's a shame like other
people who have been the agressors that these people can't grow up.
I realy mean grow up Hamas. If it wern't so close to Iserial, Isreal should do what america did to Japan. That put an end to their agression.
Peroid
P.S. This from an Italian American in case you need to now!

Panama216   January 5th, 2009 10:51 pm ET

There are certain elements who feel that if they talk louder than everyone else,then they win or that this gives their rhetoric credibility. The Europeans who were the founders of what we know as Israel,were nothing more than boat people who had asked the British authorities ruling Palestine if they could come ashore,the British said that the decision was up to the Palestinian leadership that was in place,and they said no. The Europeans came ashore anyway and began a wave of assassinations,and other terrorist activities which led to "Al Nakba" And now there are those who actually wish to convince us that there was no such place as Palestine,and that it was nothing more than a refugee camp for Arabs who had been displaced by other Arab nations?

These are the same people who wish to convince us that George W Bush was in fact the best President in the history of the United States. Hamas was a democratically elected governmental body and Washington and Tel Aviv were not happy with this outcome, so now regime change is the order of the day. Remember the Al Nakba which commenced in 1948 at the hands of the illegal European immigrants who annexed land that did not belong to them,and understand that this is why missiles are flying today. I wonder what Americans would say to a group of boat people who decided to declare America their country and give it another name. Remember Al Nakba,remember the truth.

Reza   January 5th, 2009 11:02 pm ET

Hi everybody,

How easy some people talk about innocent women and children being killed! They are just being punished because they have "elected Hamas" in a democratic election.

Those who are helping this terrorist government of Israel by any means (like US giving weapons, VETO,... or like Egypt by closing the border gates or like some Arab governments by their meaningful silence) MUST know they will all be punished by God Almighty in the other world "in the day of Justice" if not before their death).

May God help us fulfil our duty in helping these people of Gaza.

ron lewis   January 5th, 2009 11:06 pm ET

how many women and children to die before the U.S. and the world leaders to stop the isrealies. the isrealies are always tell the world how they were treated badly by hitler....... well they are doing the same thing to the palistinians, even worse because they know and this is 2009. if the palistinians do this the americans would have kick their ass. but please what about the innocents. look at BUSH he bullshit to have war with iraq, i am sure he could stop this war. but then again he loves war. there is no good in this, the only people that get hurt is the women and children.... go back in time... from vietnam and on.
also look and see why this is happening. if the isrealies are have the switch on or off at palistians life ie ... the turn the water , electricty , gas , gasoline , who goes in or out , food ,even if they cant have olive tree. why don't you go and have a look.. it's worse than 3rd world.. doesn't any care.. BUSH you can do it..... he talks and talks but if it was the other way he would have a world... for god sake

Fred Schiphorst   January 5th, 2009 11:15 pm ET

I must admit I've not read all the "comments". But I've not seen anyone adressing the subject in the article. Why is fellow Arabic country Egypt blocking the lorries that try to get aid to Gaza from it;s territory? In their comments they seem to be very worried about the well being of the people there. So why not do what's in their power to help the people of Gaza? Just by letting the lorries leave to Gaza.

Final Redemption   January 5th, 2009 11:19 pm ET

You are right Panama, there is only one truth.
By the way, in the end you lose. And when you and your buddy Abdul are lined up for your judgement I will be there to witness it. Hell, I'll even introduce myself.

I'll have only four words for you then....I told you so.

Maria   January 5th, 2009 11:24 pm ET

Those of you who equate the war in Gaza to the Holocaust, SHAME ON YOU! How dare you?!! Why don't you crawl out of the hole you're living in and visit a Holocaust museum! You should be ashamed.
Israel has as much of a right to defend itself against a TERRORIST organization as any other nation does.
Irael WARNED Gaza's civilians to get out of there before they began bombing the area. I know specifically of airplanes taking foreign citizens out.
Israel has sent 1500 trucks of humanitarian aid into Gaza since the war began.
HAMAS has been shooting at Israel since before the peace treaty officially expired.
HAMAS fired rockets at ISRAELI pre-schools and grade schools! But Israel knows how to protect its own people, and no one was killed because schools had been cancelled the day before.
I see most people here ignore the question "If Israel is killing so many of their people, why don't they stop shooting? In past conflicts between Gaza and Israel, the same thing happens. MANY more people in Gaza die than in Israel. So why not stop attacking?" The answer to this is that Hamas is against the very existence of Israel. They care more about launching rockets into Israeli land than taking care of their own people.
Hamas specifically asked the citizens in Gaza NOT to leave. This is because Hamas members hide among women and children, and in Mosques and such. Israel has no choice but to bomb these places.

Hamas began shooting first. stop pointing fingers at Israel.

Maria Fernandez   January 5th, 2009 11:27 pm ET

If Israel as they claim really just wants to attack the Hamas structure and does not want to attack the population and in Gaza, they should allow women and children to be evacuated using the 80 trucks that are being sent to Gaza with international aid.

Abdul   January 5th, 2009 11:28 pm ET

Final Redemption:

You have still not answered my question
Why should Palestinians not have a army
Full with tanks and bombs

Secondly I totally agree with u that Hamas
Is savage bunch of people but I m trying to
Understang the good moral people of IDF
And Israel govt who care so much about the
Palestinian population

For the very reason u mention about Hamas
Hiding behind the population the IDF should
Walk in gaza and route out Hamas. Why
COWARDLY bomb and kill innocent.

It's time to find out how good the IDF training
Is? Send the brave IDF in Gaza see if they need
More training

One more thing the Israeli defence minister
Needs to know that until the Palestinians or
Hamas gets the smart bombs they have to rely
On old fashion rocket. Hamas is unfortunately
Not on US list of buyers.

That's why I say either no one bear arms in that
Area or atleast have both parties to bear arms

But I have to say this for brave IDF soldiers
If they so much power to fight a small faction
With no fire power what will happen if they have
To fight a real army. They really r scared of Hamas

Panama216   January 5th, 2009 11:35 pm ET

Sorry Redemption,I don't believe in all of that pearly gate hocus pocus claptrap. Since 1948 the Europeans who founded a country on another countrys soil has exacted upon the Palestinians, the very same thing that was exacted upon them in Europe at the hands of the Nazis. Yes they did kill those who got in their way,yes they did annex land that did not belong to them and yes they did assassinate foreign nationals who did not see things their way. How many UN resolutions have been ignored by the illegal European immigrants? "We're going to take your land but we want peace."? So the Palestinian people were just supposed to accept this annexation and move on?

The fact is they came to Palestine on boats and forced themselves upon these sovereign people with impunity that was blessed by the United States and it's puppet entity at the time,the United Nations. Nowhere else in the world are you allowed to have a legal remedy that is based on an illegal premise,and illegal aliens managed to legally declare themselves a country and have been legally exacting a genocide upon the Palestinian people for some 50 years. Nothing good ever comes from something bad and houses built in sand never stand for long. 1948 Al Nakba

Joe Rodriguez, Houston, Texas   January 5th, 2009 11:35 pm ET

My sympathies are with civilans on both sides. Hamas should definitely stop sending rockets into Israel. But they are suicidal fantacis. Can Israel do what Americans did in Falujah in Iraq? Let the civilans flee to Egypt, to West Bank, or somewhere within Israel on a temporary basis, in a controlled manner and without any arms. Then go in and confront the Hamas and take it out. Then let the civilans go back and compensate them for their trouble. Once Hamas is elminated, may be Fatah may fill the void.

Final Redemption   January 5th, 2009 11:35 pm ET

Abdul, you just don't get it.

Hunk   January 6th, 2009 12:30 am ET

Joe Rodriguez, Houston, Texas,

Thank you for the call to spare civilians, but from my prospective living on the region , that its not Hamas, the conflict to goes back to sooooo many years ... and as such ...... occupation is the reason not terror actually this is a re action , don't mis understand me i don't endorse the killing ... but its only an opinion ... would love to hear you feed back..

Cynthia   January 6th, 2009 12:34 am ET

As long as the Israeli occupation contuinues, there will be Palestinians to defend their land and life. Americans need to open their eyes to the truth! FREE THE P!

Ben   January 6th, 2009 12:38 am ET

Pop Quiz:
1) Who teaches women and children how to become suicide bombers? Israelis or Palestinians?
2) Who harbors terrorists and never denounce their actions? Israelis or Palestinians?
3) Who left the land in 1948 in order to allow for large Arab armies to destroy the other nation? Israelis or Palestinians?
4) Who was dancing in the streets and handing out candy to the children when they heard that innocent lives were lost on 9/11? Israelis or Palestinians?

If you answered "Israelis" to any of the questions, then that's just pathetic. Get all your facts straight before you have the conscience to post something.

Larry   January 6th, 2009 12:42 am ET

Some facts for our Muslim friends and the anti-Israel cabal. This is from an article and is factually correct. I know that facts do not really count here, but maybe there are readers out there who remain interested in the truth. Footnotes are cited. This will not influence the racists and hatemongers out there, but will be of interest to those who are truly uneducated on the subject.

In 1981 King Hussein (Abdullah's grandson and late ruler of Jordan) stated in an interview with an Arab newspaper: "The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan."
1. Later, in 1984, in another interview with an Arab newspaper, he said: "Jordan is Palestine ... Jordan in itself is palestine."
2. Crown Prince Hassan, then heir to Jordan's throne, also stated the same thing: "Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine. There is one people and one land, with one history and one destiny."
3. And the PLO leadership declare it also:
Yasser Arafat: "What you call Jordan is actually Palestine."
4. Chafiq el Hout: "Jordan is an integral part of Palestine."
5. Abu Iyad: "We are one and the same people."
6. By the middle of the twentieth century this region was divided into two countries – "Palestine" and Israel. I say "Palestine" because Abdullah of Mecca (who was promised this kingdom) originally wanted to call his 77 percent of "Palestine" the "Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine", but he gave in to British opposition and called it "Transjordan." It was later renamed to the official name it still carries-the "Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan," but more commonly known as Jordan. So, as you can see, Jordan is the modern Palestine:
7. The country of Jordan comprises most of the land of "Palestine". The great majority of Jordan's population is "Palestinian", the Jordanian army is comprised of a majority of "Palestinians", and most of the Arabs living in the Israeli administered territories hold Jordanian passports. In addition to this, the 1970 Jordanian-PLO war was considered a civil war and recorded as such.

8. The evidence is overwhelming. An independent Palestinian Arab state already exists in the Middle East in the form of Jordan nearly 80 percent of the whole of Palestine. So why do politicians and the news media keep beating on Israel to withdraw to indefensible boundaries?

Footnotes:

1. King Hussein in Al-Nahar Al-Arabi, Dec.26, 1981. Netanyahu, A Place Among The Nations, p.147.

2. Ibid*.

3. Crown Prince Hassan to the Jordaninan National Assembly and reported in Al-Destour Feb. 5, 1970. Cited in Ibid.

4. Yasser Arafat in New Republic, 1974. Cited in Bennett, When Day and Night Cease, p.211.

5. Chafiq el Hout, PLO official on Radio Cairo, May 30, 1967. Cited in Netanyahu, A Place Among The Nations, p.147.

6. Abu Iyad, Arafat's deputy in Al-Majallah, Nov. 8, 1988. Cited in Ibid.

*ibid. In the same place. Used in footnotes and bibliographies to refer to the book, chapter, article, or page cited just before.

Statement by Zuheir Mohsein, Member of the Supreme Council of the PLO:

"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity, because it is in the interest of the Arabs to encourage a separate Palestinian identity in contrast to Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity is there only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new expedient to continue the fight against Zionism and for Arab unity."

Trouw (Dutch newspaper) March 31, 1977

One always finds in Palestine Arabs who have been in the country only a few weeks or a few months...Since they are themselves strangers in a strange land, they are the loudest to cry: 'Out with the Jews!...Amongst them are to be found representatives of every Arab country: Arabs from Transjordan, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Egypt, the Sudan and Iraq.

(Ladislas Farago, Palestine at the Crossroads (New York: Putnam 1937) p17

The Jordanian Foreign Minister said (Adwa'min pp. 4-5):

Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan, and Jordan hails every Palestinian who seeks to do his duty to his cause and his country.

Declaration of the 8th Palestinian National Congress

Jordan is linked to Palestine by a national relationship and a national unity forged by history and culture from earliest times. The creation of one political entity in East Jordan and another in Palestine would have no basis either in legality or as to the elements universally accepted as fundamental to a political entity.

(R. Hamid (ed.) Muqararat al-majlis al-watani al-filastini 1964 Resolutions of the PNCs 1964-1974, Beirut, PLO Research Centre, 1975, p178 Declaration of the 8th Palestinian National Congress)

This (Jerusalem) for them (the Arabs) was not in 'Palestine'. For the Arabs (And the Turks) the whole of the region lying between the Taurus Mountains and the confines of Egypt, and between the Mediterranean and the edge of the desert, was 'Syria' a term which had been in use since remote antiquity.

(Sir Geoffrey Furlonge, Palestine is My Country, The Story of Mussa Alami (New York, 1969) p. 7

Abdul Malik Dahamshe, an Israeli Arab Knesset member, said at a solidarity visit in Damascus, Syria [David Makovsky, Jerusalem Post, January 24, 1995]:

Palestine and Syria are one homeland. The Arab people will win by the sword; the victory will be won by the Jihad of the Arab world.

Statement by Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi to the Pell Commission in 1937

There is no such country as 'Palestine'; 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented!"

Arab MK, Abdul Darawshe said [Jerusalem Institute of Western Defence, Bulletin 3, August 15, 1997]:

There is no difference between one Palestinian and another. We are all Palestinians and we are all Syrian Arabs.

Statement by Ahmed Shuqeiri, to the UN Security Council in 1949

It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria.

Salah Khalaf (Abu Iyad) number two in the PLO leadership (Al Sachrah, Kuwait, Jan. 6, 1987)

We will take Palestine and turn it into a part of the greater Arab nation.

Palestine has never existed...as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.

Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today...No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

From Myths of the Middle East, Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, WorldNetDaily, 11 October 2000

". . . Israel established a civilized, Western-style outpost in which, for the first time in that region, individual rights were recognized. It is the Arabs' tribalism that creates the threat to peace; it is their antagonism toward the principle of rights that makes them willing to engage in both open warfare and covert terrorism. . . It is a moral perversion to demand that Israel give back the very land it captured in the process of defending itself against wars launched by the Arab aggressors."

Larry   January 6th, 2009 12:44 am ET

Why did Jordan expel the PLO in 1970?

Following the June 1967 Six Day War, the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) established its major base of operations for the war against Israel in Jordan. Throughout the late 1960s, a cycle of Palestinian guerrilla attacks followed by Israeli retaliatory raids against Jordan caused much damage to Jordan and put major strain on Jordan's relationship with the US and other Western countries. By 1970, it was widely believed that PLO leader Yasser Arafat and other factional heads were attempting to overthrow King Hussein, who viewed their operations against Israel as a threat to Jordan.

By 1970, Palestinians, both Jordanian citizens and refugees, were almost as numerous in Jordan as King Hussein's own Bedouins. Arafat used the estimated 20,000 Palestine Liberation Organization fighters in Jordan to exercise control over much of the Palestinian population. In many parts of the country, he was the de facto government. Jordan was seen as a waystation toward defeat of Israel and a united Palestinian Arab state encompassing Israel and Jordan. As many Palestinian Arabs put it: "the road to Tel Aviv lies through Amman".

On September 6, 1970 militant factions of the PLO hijacked four foreign planes. They flew three to Dawson's Field in PLO-controlled northern Jordan and one to Cairo. European governments secured the release of the hostage passangers by agreeing to release PLO terrorists from their prisons. The PLO then blew up the planes.

King Hussein decided it was time to act. Throughout September the Jordanian military launched attacks to push the PLO out of Jordan, attacks now called "Black September" by the PLO. Casualty reports are uncertain, but hundreds or perhaps thousands of PLO fadayeen were killed in the fighting and large numbers of Palestinian Arab civilians died as well. Arafat retreated to northern Jordan, close to his Syrian sponsors. Within 10 months the PLO were driven out of Jordan completely, and re-established themselves in Lebanon, a choice that led to eventual disaster for Lebanon.

Jordan's attack on the PLO led to an escalation of Syrian-Israeli tensions. The wider Arab world, which had long distrusted Hussein as a Western puppet, sided with the PLO. Syria sent tanks into Jordan - and the king was powerless to stop their steady advance. After Hussein sought American intervention, four Israeli Phantom jets flew low over the Syrian tanks. Without a shot being fired, the tanks turned north and headed back toward Damascus. Israeli troops were also deployed along the Jordan River. These actions were seen in Washington as having deterred a large-scale Syrian invasion of Jordan. As a result, US President Richard M. Nixon increasingly viewed Israel as an important strategic asset, and the Rogers Plan was allowed to die.

ASEEL   January 6th, 2009 12:47 am ET

larry -

who the hell are you to talk about me
you dont know anything yes you may have facts but what was causes these things to happen ?

your no were near the truth

nadine   January 6th, 2009 1:00 am ET

what really gets me mad, is when people see more the 500 people dieing in Palestine from Israelis solders, half the world goes yeah your point? but when you see 6 Israeli solders dead the world goes all crazy?

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 1:07 am ET

So Larry has elected to just ignore the flashpoint of this catastrophe and go on about what happened after Al Nakba in 1948. Larry,the facts are as follows: The Europeans who practiced Judaism were dispelled from their homes after Joseph Stalin nationalized the eastern bloc. Those from countries such as France decided to join the exodus of their own volition. They arrived in 1947 to the shores of Palestine,a nation replete with it's own passport(no such thing ever existed for a country known as Israel).

They forced themselves upon the Palestinian people and then proceeded to annex their land through terrorism and ethnic cleansing. How in the world is a man or woman born and raised in Poland,Russia,France,or Romania,a Jew by birth or nationality? These were not the flock of sheep cast out of Egypt by the Pharoahs,they were Europeans who practiced a particular faith just like the Protestants,Catholics or Greek Orthodox. Do the Catholics have their own country,the Protestants,or Greek Orthodox? or are they a part of a larger society of their countrymen. How in the world is a country fashioned on a religious belief that in turn leads to the genocide of the indigenous peoples of the annexed country? This is not about the relationship between the PLO,Syria and Jordan. This is about the occupation of Palestinian land by illegal European immigrants who were given legitimacy by the U.S. and it's puppet organization,the UN,in 1948.

Hunk   January 6th, 2009 1:12 am ET

Larry,

Arabs are different countries but one nation as simple as that.

The Balfour declaration call for the existence of two sates ... from that time one .... nothing happened .... today you talk about one land tomorrow u talk about another ..... settlements are the biggest hurdle on the way of enforcing any kind of peace ...

Do you think Israel will ever live on peace as long as it still occupying the land not here ..... i mean Palestinians will never vanish and will go from a generation to the other having the land on the heart..... can you answer this ... or any body there ......

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 1:15 am ET

Here is a link to the Palestine that Larry says never existed. And why would Israel not have been established where the immigrants came from,Europe? So what if 99.99% of the land in the Middle East is controlled by Arabs, IT'S THEIR LAND!!! I wonder if 100% of Europe is controlled by the Europeans?

http://tinyurl.com/7fyfkm

duh???   January 6th, 2009 1:27 am ET

WHY DOESN'T HAMAS JUST STOP THE BOMBING???? THAT IS THE ONE AND ONLY ISSUE!!! JUST STOP SENDING ROCKETS... DUH.... ALL I SEE IS ARGUMENTS OVER WHO BELONGS WHERE AND SUCH... TO END THIS BATTLE TREAT HAMAS AS THE ENGAGER HERE AND HAVE THEM STOP SENDING ROCKETS. THEN IF THEY DO THE RESOPNSIBILITY LIES ON THE OTHER HAND... IT'S SIMPLE PEOPLE..

nadine   January 6th, 2009 1:55 am ET

well duhh???, stop talking like a 10 year old, & hamas wont stop sending rockets until Israel stops.. so don’t blame hamas for the war, if everyone knows that Israel makes good choices then why the war? were did they come to this?, i have seen pictures, & Israeli people behind Gaza laughing when they see Gaza getting bowled up

nerd   January 6th, 2009 2:02 am ET

buh-

YOUR QUESTION IS WHY DOSENT HAMAS JUST STOP THE BOMBING

WHY CANT U ASK WHY DOSENT ISREAL STOP THE KILLING?
EVERYTHING IS JUST POINTED THAT HAMAS IS THE "BADD PEOPLE" IF HAMAS PUTS DOWN THERE WEAPONS WAT WILL HAPPEN TO THEM ?

ISREAL WILL OFCOURSE ATTACK GAZA AGAIN BEACUSE THE BOMBS THEY SEND IN ISREAL
WHY WOULD HAMAS SEND BOMBS TO ISREAL IF ISREAL WASNT DOING ANYTHING?

ISREAL IS NOT LETTING THE NEWS GO IN TO GAZA ? WHY IS THAT

THERES NOTHING SIMPLE ABOUT THIS IF IT WAS THAT SIMPLE IT WOULDNT STILL BE GOING ON

ASEEL   January 6th, 2009 2:05 am ET

so true nerd

Hunk   January 6th, 2009 2:10 am ET

Nerd,

Why dont isreal end the occoupation and live on peace .... as long as the children on any side dont live on peace both will never live on peace ....

Talk like and adult ..... this is the real word.

ASEEL   January 6th, 2009 2:10 am ET

duhh u dont know wat ur talking about if it would be that simple why are we discusing it if it was that simple wouldnt they be doing it write now?its like you saying if a person breaks in ur house and they do nothing about it? that dosent make any sence

so many questions but no one can answer

dido   January 6th, 2009 2:12 am ET

i cant express my what i think of nadine bc she is ignorant and she has no sense of feeling

dominique   January 6th, 2009 2:14 am ET

We all need to stop, get to know History about the region before forming an opinion.
Again, Ignorance is not the enemy of knowledge, it is the illusion of knowledge….

just watch this report ( and it is not images of injured people) and tell me if you still think the same…
Just take the time… don t reject it before looking at it.. most of the people speaking in it are israelis…

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2451908450811690589

Watch it, it is eye opening….

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 2:20 am ET

You also have to wonder what deals are in place which allow Israel to even get the fuel that is needed for the planes,tanks,helicopters,and other weapons which are killing their supposed brothers and sisters. Every member of OPEC is standing there with their hands in their pockets and actually assisting in the genocide by providing the fuel that they need for their weapons of war. Talk time is over. If they cared as much as they pretend to,this conflict would have ended ages ago when the Israeli oil supply had been reduced to nothing. It's all been nothing but hypocrisy with Palestinians always paying the price. Those tanks and planes aren't running on air.

samir   January 6th, 2009 2:21 am ET

Can't Israel se the at they are killing innocent families, women and children..and now even their own soldiers. Damn American media, WAKE UP!!!! Killing does not justify killing, use some intelligence, covert ops, technology . Hamas was created by the Israelis anyway .

Larry   January 6th, 2009 2:25 am ET

Nerd and Aseel,
You conveniently overlook one unimpeachable fact. Yes I rely on facts. Israel vacated Gaza and gave it to the Palestinians. Israel forcibly removed it's own citizens from their homes to tender this land to the Palestinians. If Israel wanted to attack as you allege, why did it give the land away. Come on people, use your heads, for Heaven's sake.
Israel's goal was a good faith attempt to create some basis for a partnership with her Palestinian neighbors. All it got in return was another terror front.
Nerd, Aseel, Nadine, if Hamas is so good to your people, why did Abu Mazin engage in a war against Hamas. Fatah are certainly no friends of Israel, yet it engages Hamas in battle on a regular basis. Where is the outcry over the "innocent" Palestinian civilians lost or injured in the Fatah-Hamas battles?
Did you watch the FOX NEWS special about the son of the Hamas founder who renounced Hamas, terror, and Islam and converted to Christianity ? Check it out. You may become enlightened.
Nadine, I assume you are female. Just try to walk the streets of Gaza or Iran with your hair uncovered, or wearing pants. In Israel, Muslim women shop, eat, and play in the same malls, restaurants, and parks as their Jewish neighbors. They wear what they want. They go to school where they want. Can the same be said for any of your enlightened Arab countries ?

Larry   January 6th, 2009 2:26 am ET

What is Panama talking about? Can anyone understand his or her gibberish?

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 2:41 am ET

Larry,I'm sorry if you are not clever enough to understand what I'm saying.Perhaps you're simply too blinded by foolishness to understand it,which is in my humble opinion,the case at hand. You just keep ignoring the fact that the country of Israel sits on Palestinian land that the illegal Immigrants stole with the help of the United States and the UN. When Golda Meir was alive,she held a passport from Palestine,you know the country that you claim didn't exist? You have presented with facts,and respond with the typical attempt at fear mongering which is prevalent amongst the right wing. The goal of the creators of Israel was to take Palestinian land and eliminate the people from that land. In 1948,the illegal European immigrants forceably removed Palestinians from their land,this cannot be refuted. And what is your counter? "Well look at their relationship with Syria and Jordan in the 1970s. Oh I bet that you used to get nothing but gold stars in school didn't you? lol.

ahamed   January 6th, 2009 2:47 am ET

Israel has high tech equiptment and strong forces while Hamas has neither. but it is easier for Hamas than we think it is. because they dont see this as 300 yards between life and death but as 300 yards between life and heaven.

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 2:50 am ET

Dear Larry, When I spoke of OPEC and their brothers and sisters who are currently under siege,who did you think I was talking about? Let me type it slower for you. The people under siege are the Palestinians,the people who should be cutting off Israels oil supply are the Arab members of OPEC. I hope that by slowing down my typing,I have been able to make things clearer for you.

Spongebob   January 6th, 2009 2:54 am ET

Intestesting how Arab countries like Egypt, Syria, Jordon etc just stand by and watch. The Arab world is no longer a united one. In years gone by, such aggression by the IDF and the fact they must be stratgically stretched may well have had a coalition of Arab forces making a retaliatory strike.

Brandon   January 6th, 2009 2:57 am ET

BEN

IVE SEEN YOUVE DONE SUCH A SIGNIFICANT AND INFALLIBLE RESEARCH MY FRIEND...

BUT....

DONT EVER CONFUSE SUCH PEOPLE WITH FACTS...MOST OF THEM ARE PATHOLOGICAL LIARS...

nadine   January 6th, 2009 2:58 am ET

as a matter of fact i can walk freely as u say,but not outside of the borders that i live under i cannot enjoy a simple thing such as the mall because im palistinian and muslim, i cannot enjoy parks because i am muslim and palistinian due to the strictly barricated borders i and many other palestinians are confined in because of racial and religious discrimination

g dog   January 6th, 2009 3:49 am ET

please send hasoun nasrallah to the front of the line. he needs to take his medicine.
aarifeek nasrallah

Sammy Nimr   January 6th, 2009 4:40 am ET

i don't know where to start from, but here is a small point ... israel's attack was to bring security to their southern cities... sounds good, but how about peace and security for palestinians, they never had any for since 1947.. and no one should answer that with " israel withdrew from Gaza more than a year ago" withdrowing from gaza then blocking anything to go inside Gaza from food to raw materials is also an aggression, they never stopped assassinating hamas members even though there has been a truce...
one more point for that person who asked why not smuggling food, and baby formula, few days before the war one hamas official said they do they all the time, im just waiting for that time when they start sumggling TANKS through that......

Abdul   January 6th, 2009 4:42 am ET

Brandon,

You seem to be the only smart guy on the blog.

If Hamas can get smart bombs from USA then it would not need suicide mission. They would be able to fight with Israel in the same brutal manner.

My question: why shouldnt Palestinians have a massive army with all the ammunation available to Israel. The brave IDF needs all those planes and bombs to just fight against a small faction like Hamas with no modern ammunition???

Abdul   January 6th, 2009 4:50 am ET

WHY IS PRESS NOT ALLOWED IN THE GAZA CITY IF ISRAEL IS NOT DOING ANY THING WRONG????

IF THE SMART BOMBS ARE ONLY KILLING HAMAS THEN LET THE PRESS AND REST OF THE WORLD SEE THIS AWESOME JOB THEY HAVE DONE???

OMG   January 6th, 2009 4:51 am ET

It's very chic right now to poo-poo Israel, compare them to nazis, and talk about how naughty they are. However, the West put them there. They didn't put themselves there, really: after WWII, they didn't have a lot of choices and Britain forged the way and said, "here, take this." It looked pretty good at the time.

Now the plan has become more of a problem to the West than their collective guilt for allowing the nazi atrocities to transpire. Another brillian British plan. Didn't they also spearhead the "need" to destroy the Ottoman empire, which was the seat of the Caliphate? That had the net effect of balkanizing muslims. That turned out great, too. So, while we're busy figuring out where to deport jews to or how to get them to swallow a one state solution in which they will be bred into second class status through democratic means (using anti democratic principles other than majority rule) , why don't we also figure out how to get another wealthy, Western educated aristocrat into the Caliph's seat so we can have a single point of contact?

Too late to "install" a Caliph: distribution of RPG launchers and machine guns has seen to that. Seems a bit late to change our minds on Israel, too. Let's not forget that Israel offered Arafat nearly everything he claimed to need and Arafat walked away from it. They don't want peace: they want Israel gone. Shall we give them Canada?

Abdul   January 6th, 2009 4:53 am ET

THE WORLD COMMUNITY HAS TO PROVIDE THE SMART BOMBS LIKE THE ONE ISRAEL HAS SO THAT PALETINIANS CAN ALSO AVOID CIVILIAN CASUALTIES LIKE THE ISRAEL IS DOING????

gunzi   January 6th, 2009 4:59 am ET

Israel is the only country that lets missles fly into their country and do nothing about it

OMG   January 6th, 2009 5:01 am ET

Abdul: be happy that Israel is not allowed to wage total war the way people did 60 and 100 years ago. The geneva convention, taken to European extremes, demands the use of smart bombs even though the economics of war demands that you use what you can manufacture cheaply and quickly to good effect.

Perhaps Iran should come out from behind the curtain, annex Syria, and then get it on with Israel directly. Normally, two countries wage a proxy war in a third country. Here, Iran wages a proxy war in Gaza with a self-sufficient nation. That's not a recipe for actual success, although the assymetry of the situation can make some people think poorly of the state that must use helicopters to fight a rag tag band of guys with assault rifles, RPGs, rockes, mortars, and a death wish. Your illogic would boggle the mind except that it is plainly not logic so much as affinity that guides your words.

Abdul   January 6th, 2009 5:07 am ET

An Experiment in Famine
Hamas is Not the Real Issue
By NEVE GORDON

EVERY ONE SHOULD READ THIS TO FIND OUT WHY THE ROCKETS ARE COMING

Neve Gordon teaches politics at Ben-Gurion University, Israel and can be reached at nevegordon@gmail.com

The experiment in famine began on January 18, 2008. Israel hermetically closed all of Gaza's borders, preventing even food, medicine and fuel from entering the Strip. Power cuts, which had been frequent for many months, were extended to 12 hours per day. Due to the electricity shortage, at least 40 percent of Gazans have not had access to running water (which is channeled through electric pumps) for several days and the sewage system has broken down. The raw sewage that has not spilled onto the streets is now being poured into the sea at a daily rate of 30 million liters. Hospitals have been forced to rely on emergency generators leading them to cut back, yet again, on the already limited services offered to the Palestinian population. The World Food Programme has reported critical shortages of food and declared that it is unable to provide 10,000 of the poorest Gazans with three out of the five foodstuffs they normally receive.

After five days of extreme suffering, a group of Hamas militants took the lead, and blew-up parts of the steel wall along the Egyptian border. Within hours more than 100,000 Gazans crossed the border into Egypt. They were hungry, thirsty and sick of being locked up in a filthy cage. Once in Egypt they bought everything they could get their hands on and waited patiently for the international community to intervene on their behalf. Yet the world leaders failed them again, and on January 28, after a five day respite, the iron wall was re-erected and the Palestinians were pushed back into the world's largest prison - the Gaza Strip.

Ehud Barak, Israel's Minister of Defense, did not stammer when he justified his decision to experiment with famine; he had no qualms about introducing a policy that historically only the most brutal leaders have adopted.

His argument seems rational. Barak said that no government in the world would tolerate the ongoing bombardment of its citizens from across the border. Since other measures - like harsh economic sanctions, extra-judicial executions, the ongoing barrage of northern parts of the Strip as well as the bombardment of several critical infrastructure sites, like the electric power plant and Palestinian government offices - did not do the job, Israel had no other option.

This ostensibly rational argument conveniently ignores the fact that since its victory in the January 2006 democratic elections Hamas has proposed several cease-fire agreements, the latest emerging just last week. In these proposals, Hamas agrees to stop launching missiles at Israeli citizens, in exchange for Israel ending its incursions into Gaza, the assassinations of militants and political leaders, and the economic blockade.

Hamas's proposals underscore two important facts. First, despite what Barak says the use of force is not the only option Israel has: The government could decide to open a dialogue with Hamas based on a cease-fire agreement. Second, it emphasizes, as Israeli critic Uri Avnery cogently observes, that Israel is cynically using the assaults on its own citizens as a pretext for attempting to overthrow the Hamas regime in Gaza and for preventing a Hamas takeover in the West Bank.

Ultimately, though, even the courageous Avnery does not spell out Israel's main objective. The central issue for Israel is not Hamas yes or no, but rather Palestinian sovereignty yes or no. The recent crisis reveals, once more, that Israel's August 2005 unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip was not an act of decolonization but rather the reorganization of Israeli power and the implementation of neo-colonial rule. Israel realized that in order to maintain sovereignty all it would have to do is preserve its monopoly over the legitimate means of movement. Very different from the withdrawal of British forces from the various colonies of old, it accordingly continued to dominate Gaza's borders, transforming the Strip into a container of sorts whose openings are totally controlled by Israel.

The experiment in Gaza is, in other words, not really about the bombardment of Israeli citizens or even about Israel's ongoing efforts to undermine Hamas. It is simply a new draconian strategy aimed at denying the Palestinians their most basic right to self-determination. It is about showing them who is in control, about breaking their backs, so that they lower their expectations and bow down to Israeli demands. The Palestinians understood this and courageously destroyed their prison wall while crying out into the wilderness for international support. Instead of the expected outrage, the only response they received was a weak echo of their own cry for help.

Neve Gordon teaches politics at Ben-Gurion University, Israel and can be reached at nevegordon@gmail.com

OMG   January 6th, 2009 5:12 am ET

Unfortunately, as Neve should know and Casper Weinberger has pointed out, you cannot have diplomacy with liars. The Viet Cong were always at the peace table while they planned attacks and regrouped their forces. Hamas is much the same. They don't want a cease fire to work out a peace plan, they want a cease fire to preserve their men and materiel for continued "low level" conflict.

R   January 6th, 2009 5:41 am ET

I challenge every honest person to answer the following questions without emotional rhetoric or overdone slogans:

1. Where have all the protests been during the last year when Israeli towns were being bombarded with rockets sent by Iran to the Gaza strip to be fired by Hamas?

2. Where is the Hamas government–that was freely elected by the majority of the voting populus–while all of its citizens are bearing the brunt of their bad decisions?

I acknowledge that it is very painful to see any innocent civilians suffer, especially children, however you must remember that Hamas was FREELY ELECTED

Neria G.   January 6th, 2009 5:48 am ET

To Abdul,
firs of all, about smart bombs, well grad is a bit more accurate then qasam and the first place they fire it into is not a military base or station they fire it upon civilians intentionly!!!
every single one of the commentators here should realize that:

FOR 8 LONG YEARS HAMAS FIRED ROCKETS INTO CIVILIAN CITIES!!! NEVER AIMING TO SOLDIERS ONLY CHILDREN, WOMEN and ELDERS!!!

we moved out of gaza to make peace, the only difference between ISRAEL and hamas is that Israel truly wants peace but hamas does not. Israel tried to maintain peace but hamas continued its regime of terror!!!

LONG LIVE ISRAEL!!!

Neria G.   January 6th, 2009 6:00 am ET

To Sarah,
As an Israely and a reserve soldier I can assure you that your numbers are incorrect. Zahal has killed 500 hamas terrorist.
I would like to share you all with my knowllage about hamas terror tactics:
1) fire rockets into highly populated civilian ares.
2) store ammunitions and weapons in civilian houses or near by.
3) demend from children and women to go outside while there are airstrikes.
4) put mines and booby traps in civilian houses.
5) build a underground tunnels under civilian houses.
6) if neccery use human shield.
7) hide your top leader under hospitals.
8) the terrorists should not wear uniforms but civilian clothing.
9) fire at soldier from far away but not face to face (cowards)
10) keep the supplies only for the hamas soldiers and do not give it to starving children and women.

this is the kind of "war" hamas, manipulated by Iran, wants.

Neria G.   January 6th, 2009 6:05 am ET

I would like to remind all of you what war crimes your country did but it will fill up a huge book:-)
so before you critisize a nation defending itself you think and then shut up.
Also you have the right to say whatever you like and I have the right not to hear it, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

M Kanaan   January 6th, 2009 6:06 am ET

To claim that Hamas is to blame for this ugly massacre is nonsense. Hamas is firing rockets at Israel only because Israel is blockading Gaza's borders and depriving them of food medicine and fuel. they have repeadly called for an end to the siege and they will end their rocket attacks but blood thisty Israel was not interested in such arragenment.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1180527966693&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Linda   January 6th, 2009 6:08 am ET

Hey CNN,
Since you are reporting that aide is getting into Gaza, and you are showing pictures of the trucks, why not start a new blog with that as the headline.
That sounds like progress and don’t you think everyone could use a little good news? Something positive perhaps.

Neria G.   January 6th, 2009 6:13 am ET

the so called humanitarian crisis is ridiculus!
why is that?
1) every time hamas fired rockets into Israel we closed the borders. but the stupid hamas kept on firing like a spoiled boy.
2) we took wounded children to hospitals in Israel and gave humanitrian aid while we bombed hamas.
3) hamas was ellected by the people so he is responssible fot it. hamas chose to fight Israel which loogically the poeple of gaza chose to fight Israel.
4) hamas has lots of rockets, weapons and ammunition this costs money. If there is a humanitarian crisis in your regime you would utilize the money to prevent it insted of buying more rockets.
5) the supplier of ellectricity and water is Israel. would england or france or denmark would have given ellectricity and water to germany in WW2?

M Kanaan   January 6th, 2009 6:28 am ET

Linda,

For your information, there has been 129 aid trucks into Gaza since the Israeli started their brutal attack 11 days ago. The normal flow of aid into Gaza before the Israeli siege was at the rate of 700 truck daily. So you can see that those trucks are used for a photo opportunity only.

Jorgen.g   January 6th, 2009 6:52 am ET

I WORKED WITH NORWEGIAN SO-CALLED MEDICS IN BOTH NORWAY AND OVERSEAS.
GUESS WHAT ! THAT MOB IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY TYPE OF "TRAINING" IN ZONES WITH MAXIMUM MENTAL AND PHYSICAL GRIEF.
THEY ALWAYS SUGGESTED THEY FIT RIGHT IN AS IT IS THE BEST SURGICAL AND PATHOLOGICAL EXCERCISE AND TRAINING AN AMBITIOUS YOUNG MD WOULD DREAM FOR.
TWO CLUES: THEY ARE RATHER VERY YOUNG AND THEY ARE ALWAYS 'PROMOTING' THEMSELVES IN THESE VERY WEIRD CIRCUMSTANCES.
NO WONDER THEY MAKE PART OF THE HAMAS PROPAGANDA MACHINES BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE.
TRUST ME , THEY MAKE VON HAGENS LOOK LIKE A BOY SCOUT.
THEIR MD STUDIES HAVE THE LARGEST COLLECTION OF BODY PARTS FOR STUDIES
I PERSONALLY COULD NOT HANDLE THAT.

Dale   January 6th, 2009 7:22 am ET

So many heated opinions and view in here, it's taken me over 30 minutes to skim this page.

I live in South Africa and try to view things very simply...

If Hamas simply stops firing rockets, which is ultimately a breach of peace, Israel will stop their retaliation.

If Hamas comes out from behind innocent Palestinians to fight or talk, these innocent people will not be harmed.

If the Palestinians choose to stand alongside a terrorist group like Hamas, they can not be surprised when they fall victim to retaliation.

If neighboring countries finally stop supplying Hamas with weapons and using them as indirect-attackers, Israel will co-exist and most likely support, aid and rejuvenate the Palestinian land and its people.

Prasad   January 6th, 2009 7:47 am ET

I just feel so sad and helpless about the innocent young kids getting injured and killed in this battle. I can only pray for their safety.

arnold t.estipona   January 6th, 2009 7:48 am ET

To hear and see people killed whether on hamas or israeli side is tragic . The cycle of death and destruction will never end unless,forgiveness and reconciliation will prevail.Both sides must learn to forgive and ask forgiveness of their sins and sins of their forefathers.Both sides must learn to love each other as brothers and sisters.Both of them are descendants of Abraham.Then it is rightful and good for them to release forgiveness and love each other.In WWII,Japan invaded our country Philippines,they killed infants,rape women and massacre civilians.We did not provoke them nor insult them,but they invaded us.Out of 19million ,1 million died within 3 1/2 years of war and occupation.But we learn to forgive and learn to put aside the past ,move on and become good friends again.Japan and Philippines learned that war and violence will bring death and destruction and no one is a victor both are losers. As a Christian I deeply grieved and agonized for both sides . I pray that God will intervene to stop this carnage.Both sides must forgive and reconcile each other ,learn to love as neighbors,learn to submit and humble to God .I pray in the Name of His Son ,Lord Jesus Christ and power of the Holy Spirit.Amen

Taylor   January 6th, 2009 7:51 am ET

Lets keep in mind that five Israelis and 550 Palestinians have died. Is this an equal conflict no. Are there two sides too this story no. The Palestinians are suffering 100 times as much as the Israelis. it is true that Hamas has done some dumb things. These rocket attacks A give some level of justification to Israeli violence at least in their own twisted minds B Don't work. The fact of the matter is that this is not a war this is a slaughter of innocent civilians. This is tanks levelling Ghettos( a jewish word). is this Warsaw in 1944 no its Gaza City. People who call themselves Jews are in the tanks helicopters and planes. they seem to believe in the very Nazi philosophy that one Israeli life is woth more than a hundred Palestinians. These are the kind of sick people who actually have their children write messages of hate on the bombs and loaded onto planes to be dropped on apartments Mosques holding friday prayers ambulances public markets and police stations. They level an olive grove that took forty years to grow in seconds with a giant bulldozer. Have the people who were once known for their intellectualism and humanism been in bed with the Bush's and other American cowboys for too long? This is a sick sick example of hatred. They do not represent true Judasism just like the Klu Klux Klan does not represent the true spirit of the south or the Nazi's they are ironically coming to resemble do not represent the true spirit of Germany. My advice to the Palestinian people is to use nonviolent resistance to show the true evil of the Israel and its backward ideas to itself and the world. The Palestinian people will have to end this cycle of hate because the israeli's are too immature selfish and spoiled to do so. Although to be honest it would be nice if a larger more powerful country came along and taught them a lesson. They keep crying about those toy missles that always miss. They also try to justify their atrocities because of the holocaust. The Holocaust was a terrible crime against humanity but it does not justify Israel to commit another crime, especially considering the Palestinians had nothing to do with the Holocaust

Final Redemption   January 6th, 2009 8:32 am ET

Dear Panama,

There is one fact you are not coming to terms with, whether you like it or not, and that is that Israel is not going away. The Jews are there to stay I'm afraid. Maybe it's time to build a bridge and get over it? All your whining and bickering is not going to change this.

This fact can also answer Abdul's persistently stupid question as to why Israel needs an army, because Jew haters like the two of you believe that this fact can be changed and changed by force.

bode obube   January 6th, 2009 8:51 am ET

initially i codemn isreali for their action in Gaza,but with the situation on ground now and this militant hamas continuos sending rocket to the isreal town,then,their is know cause for alarm until hamas surrender but i would rather advised isreal millitary to stop making the civilian their main victim in this war against militant in Gaza

Fanny Ederry   January 6th, 2009 8:58 am ET

please excuse my english I hope I don't have may mistakes
I am witing from Sderot I suggest that you stop talking so much from your
relaxes and comfort position and try to understand the situation.
we have left the Gaza strip two years ago an you could think that the palestinian will begin to build their own state but the did not plant even
a small three in those places. these places used to bebefore blooming and now they
are being used only for Terror . can you try to imagine rockets on New york or Philadephia without responding???? don't judge us before
being in our place we want peace we are praying for peace you never
here a Hamas leader pray for peace only heatress We were on the
Rod of peace after OSLO agreement and what they did the started
to send suicide bomers to our cities how can you explain it .
I can only tell you that if the Arab world wanted to solve the palastinian
problem they could with all the money oil but it is not there interest
there interest is to keep this problem
The Hamas do not have any mercy on anyone, the day the took over
Power they threw their own people from the Pathah from the roofs
this is the people that we are dealing with so stop all your critisisem
befor knowing all the facts

Final Redemption   January 6th, 2009 9:10 am ET

I agree with you Fanny.

And long after the mushroom clouds have disappeared and the dust has settled, Israel will still be there in all her glory.

BARUCH HASHEM!!!

bradley   January 6th, 2009 9:17 am ET

hey people, i dont know where all of you live.....i live in israel..people are saying that evrything is so teribble in gaza...what about southern israel? has enybody heard about them?!

israel is trying not to kill children in gaza but the hamas terorists are using them as a human shield, so what do you want us to do?!!!

hamas terorists are fiering rockets from schools because they know israel wont attack a school, but we had enough of that!

we wont kill just little kids BUT if hamas is using them as a human shield to fire rockets on us, with all the sadness we will kill them as well!

and to answer the not smart question "why does israel has an army?"
the answer is very short: BECAUSE THE DAY WE WONT, WE WILL BE DESTROYED!!!!

have a nice day

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 9:37 am ET

So I'm a Jew hater because I have brought to light the fact that they were illegal aliens who took someone elses country and exacted upon those indigenous people the same atrocities that befell them at the hands of the Reich? Oh I get it,there can be no criticism of Israel because that automatically makes you a hater of Jews? That is what I like to call the sad silly rhetoric of someone who has painted themselves into a corner. You have not addressed the facts of Al Nakba,you have not addressed the facts of there being a Palestinian state,you have not addressed the facts that what has happened to the Palestinian people over the course of five decades is tantamount to ethnic cleansing,no sir not at all. You attempt to engage in a game of trickery and deceit by shifting the issue from the facts, to personal feelings that you think I have.

Israel isn't going anywhere? Well if the followers of the King of Saudi Arabia grew a pair,the illegal state of Israel would wither on the vine,and by that I mean that they should simply cut off the supply of oil to the Israels in the same manner that the Israelis have cut off everything to the people of Gaza. It's funny how the right wing has this tendency to cover their ears when faced with the honest truth. Israel is a country founded by the illegal aliens of Europe who were displaced after the holocaust and that's a fact. And since when did disagreeing with the illegal existence of Israel become synonymous with "Hating Jews" That's about as weak as someone who uses a Merkeva tank against a kid with a slingshot or a few hundred tons of ordinance against some guys with oversized bottle rockets. Cut off the supply of oil to Israel and remember just whom is the occupied victim here. Al Nakba

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 9:57 am ET

Dear Fanny Ederry,

Here is a link from the poster Dominique that I suggest you take a look at. You know,I've heard this rhetoric from other people regarding the Palestinians refusal to plant even a tree when the occupiers of Gaza left. Let's be honest for just a second. The occupiers have never really left Gaza as they control it's borders and have used embargos to bring normal life to a standstill. Israel and Washington wanted democracy in Palestine and they got it,they just weren't happy with the results,so what did they do? cut off the money that would have allowed for the planting of trees. And you speak of the Oslo agreements,but should try to keep in mind that 40 years before those agreements,illegal immigrants occupied Palestinian land,which is a fact that everyone seems to be ignoring,or all of those who wish to portray Israel as the victim. So when you are asking people to imagine what it's like to have rockets flying over your head,try to imagine what it's like to have your land taken from you and then have your fate determined by illegal aliens. What happened to the Europeans who practiced Judaism during the holocaust was horrific,but somehow this has given them the right to do whatever they want to do in a land that does not belong to them and that lands people. Look at the trees that have been covered up by Israeli settlements in Palestine. Al Nakba.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2451908450811690589

bradley   January 6th, 2009 10:02 am ET

to panama216:
you are living in a such bad moovie.

poor you....because people like you the world looks how it looks!..

hamas told israel "please kill little children but let us now before where yoyr bombing, so we could bring there cameras and video equepment....."

ron lewis   January 6th, 2009 10:03 am ET

Israel should just give it up already. They are constantly trying to gain sympathy for a genocide that occurred how many years ago? How are we meant to feel sympathetic when they are killing innocent civilians, women and children alike.

This is a disgrace, and what is more of disgusting still, is the fact that people who have the power to end such a conflict do nothing.

Some say, quite affrontedly, do not mention the holocaust in this matter. I think the holocaust is an extremely valid issue to speak of. The germans today are still being critisized for their conduct, and yet here the israel's are, pleading innocence while destroying many lives. Come off it. This is ridiculous. Gaza is now in shambles and no electricity or food. Is this fair? As it is, they live in the stone age, thanks to the Israeli's. I wonder, would the americans step in if the palistinians have oil? The said thing is, i know they would.

ron lewis   January 6th, 2009 10:11 am ET

Palestine was there before Israel and in 1949 the jews stole and occuppied a land that was not rightfully theirs. Look through as many maps and you like, prior to 1949, it will always state that the country is 'Palestine'.
It seems to me they are trying to destroy them from existence altogether. WHERE IS THE JUSTICE?

ron lewis   January 6th, 2009 10:24 am ET

hey bush , if palestine had oil , would you stop this barbarian so call WAR. he lied to have the iraq war you know he is a war monger. also if the jews do something wrong , he ignores. see what happened in lebanon. no matter what you are , you know this is wrong. any WAR , it's allways the innocent that hurt or killed and BUSH knows this.the palestinians are living in the dark ages because of the jews.
they cant breath an less the jews let them. if the give them a normal life they will leave the jews away. but if you standing on their throats then you will have problems. thats why hamas hit them with these rockets. and by the way the palestinians dont want that. so they get it both sides. with all these children are dead because of selfish stupid so called politicians.....yes including GEORGE BUSH ( ass hole )

bradley   January 6th, 2009 10:27 am ET

hamas sais evry day and calls to destroy israel and thats what they teach rheir children too.
before bed time hamas read their kids how good it is to blow yourself and kill the many people you can!!

they are only children!!

ron may i ask fromwhat country you are?

ron lewis   January 6th, 2009 10:37 am ET

by the by, what about the world, should make sure that AID is sent to the palestinians asap

bradley   January 6th, 2009 10:46 am ET

its those we "inocent" people that we accedently kill..

think ...what would you do if 7 years hamas fires at rockets and you want peace, but you cant have it and then you want to kill their terorists and they want to stop...but they had 7 years...

its interesting to think that hamas can bring into gaza alot of rockets and weapon but he cant bring food for his people...that means hamas doesnt care for his people

that means alot...

just think of it!

bradley   January 6th, 2009 10:48 am ET

next time hamas should think wizer...
and shouldnt play with israel stupid games....

Fanny Ederry   January 6th, 2009 11:03 am ET

Dear Panam216

i really would like to know what is your solution to this situation
Israel is here we build a a mondern and democratic country within
60 years and we did not wait for anyone to do it for us we only used only even after the holycost we rose from the ashes and did take all our
energy for revange onl y for recovery this was our revange

Israel is here forever & ever

bram   January 6th, 2009 11:32 am ET

The palistinians would be living in peace aside Israel, living in prosperity, and with all the freedom they desire, only if they had chosen the path of peacefull negotiations and not terror. They have made the bed they sleep in. Its time that a true Palistinion leader arose with an olive branch in his hand and not a gun. Israel will survive history as it has for 5000 years. Our neighbors can join us in peace, or fight us in war. 5000 years from now we will still be gardians
of the land promised to us.

nadine   January 6th, 2009 11:52 am ET

everyone thinks george bush is a ass hole.

andrea   January 6th, 2009 11:56 am ET

I very much deplore the loss of civilian lives in this conflict, like in any other war. But the first criminally negligent participant here, which obviously has little regard for its own population is Hamas. How can they go to war when they know perfectly well that they can not defend their own people? It does not make any sense to me.
Now, I am not Jewish not have any interest in Israel but for all those that claim that Israel "stole" the land in Palestine, my response is that they don't have a peg leg to stand on. Read your history buster. Palestine was Jewish before in was conquered by the Romans led by Pompei in I BC. Later on, the Eastern part of the Roman Empire became Hellenized and from then on was called Byzantine Empire. The official religion was Christian Orthodox. Around VIII AD, the Arabs, who had recently adopted Islam, invaded from the south and conquered Palestine, Syria, North Africa, and Spain, converting churches into mosques and enslaving many inhabitants. They were finally stopped by the Franks lead by Charles Martel in southern France and by the walls of Constantinople. But it is clear that Jews were the first ones there. Facts are facts.
Now who stole from whom?
Sources: Gibbon. "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 12:15 pm ET

Dear Fanny,

I am sure that you are aware of the subsidies that are given to Israel by the United States to the tune of billions of dollars per year which allow for the illegal settlements to be built and the armaments that are currently killing Palestinians to be purchased. Given that not much can be done about the illegal annexation which took place some 60 years ago here is a solution that I think should be implemented. Disbandment of the religious state of Israel which was founded through terror by illegal aliens,and the creation of a single state that has representatives of both sides in power. The leaders of the new nation would agree to have an international body monitor it's activities so as to prevent reprisal for past atrocities committed by the Israelis and then there should be a fair and equitable redistribution of land amongst all people currently living in the region.

Then I would eliminate this notion that anyone of the Jewish faith being able to become citizens of the new nation just because they're Jewish or Arabs just because they're Arab. Members of the Jewish faith and members of the Islamic faith share some of the same prophets and both call Jerusalem their religious capitols,does this not suggest to you that you're the same people? just from different tribes or gangs if you will? It's really not more complicated than that when you break it all down.

The state of Israel should have never been created and I find it Ironic that a group of people who claim that there is so much discrimination and racism exacted upon them,would actually have a state whose very foundation is based on exclusivity and discrimination. If the powers of NATO were not so afraid of Joseph Stalin following WWII,Israel would have been where the former East Germany was. No one who founded the illegal state of Israel was born in Palestine,they all came from Europe which is where the remedy was for the creation of their state.

Can you name any other country which has been founded on a religious practice,and one that has been occupied since 1948? Even Russia got a clue and decided to tear down their iron curtain. Israel is not an entity that is going to last forever and I think that the people need to figure out a way to live under one roof,sooner rather than later. As I said yesterday,houses built in sand don't stand for long and good things don't come from bad things.

Fanny Ederry   January 6th, 2009 12:24 pm ET

Dear Panama216
The reason that the state of Israel was founded and because of the holycost Jewsh has been killed only because they are Juwish
and no other countries were willing to take them

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 12:39 pm ET

In Ireland,Catholics were killed because they were Catholic,Protestants were killed because they were Protestant,and in America blacks were killed because they were black. After the holocaust there was no one willing to take the Jewish Europeans which is why the powers who carved up Germany,should have made East Germany the country that European Jews could have called their own. But in the history of mankind,what other people have been able to take land because they were of one religion or another? When I see a 20 year old settler being forcebly removed from occupied land,they cannot invoke the holocaust as the basis for them taking land that doesn't belong to them. And I'm sorry but all of this can be solved the day that the Arab states decide to ignore the United States and cut off the supply of oil to Israel. And as the Israeli government is saying,my feelings are not aimed at the Israeli people ,they are aimed at the government which perpetuates the ideology that you have some god given right to take that which does not belong to you. In South Africa,they called it Apartheid and in America is was the destruction of the Indians and Slavery.

oscar   January 6th, 2009 1:12 pm ET

Its simple no one will teach you not to play with fire, you have to experience this yourself. Palestians should turn to hamas for they are the cause of their suffering. Hamas leaders are crying for the international community to intervene but are still shooting 80 rockets a day into isreal. I think they have to be thought a lesson.

Oscar from Amsterdam,Netherlands.

OMG   January 6th, 2009 1:24 pm ET

Let's say for a moment that a Mexican drug cartel started firing rockets into San Diego from Tijuana. Let's say they fired upwards of 200 a day. How many days would pass before the US would retaliate? How much would we moan about the greater losses on the drug lord's side?

I suspect more than 3k have died in Afghanistan. Nobody's calling that peculiar or unfair.

Why should anybody think that the # of deaths required to stop rocket and mortar fire on civilian targets should be somehow in parallel with the number of deaths caused by the rockets and mortar fire? That's completely irrelevent because the rocket and mortar fire is 100% unacceptable in the first place. No nation will tolerate random civilian deaths from air munitions and then keep count of bodies in retaliation because it's not a body count scoring game. It's a stop the random attacks game, no matter how many combatants or individuals associated with the combatants they have to kill to make that stop.

Civilian deaths happen. If Hamas loves their civilian population so much, they'd stop fighting israel, stop break cease fires, and ask for what Arafat walked away from and become their own nation and grow up into civilized people.

andrea   January 6th, 2009 1:54 pm ET

I would like to add that after the Romans put down the last Jewish rebellion, razed the temple, etc, they dispersed the Jewish population in other provinces of the empire to avoid any fiurther upheaval. That is how Jews ended up everywhere. The original Zionist movement of the 1800's and early 1900's was nothing else than a project to return the Jews to their original country.
And a final note is that had the Arabs accepted the UN-sponsored 1948 partition of Palestine, which Israel was acccepting, the independent Arab Republic of Palestine would have encompassed close to 40% of the region. Jerusalem and Bethlehem were to remain as international zones under UN control.

yousef   January 6th, 2009 2:04 pm ET

I hope your reporting will give a background on the History of the conflict and the plight of the Palestinians who were evicted from their land in 1948 and many of them ended up in the Gaza Strip, in the biggest ethnic cleansing in the world which the western world are not accepting to recognize or to try to help solving, due to their blind support for Israel as a result of a guilt conscience.

I say please read the history again and I refer you to the Terrorist acts the Jewish military organizations in Palestine did in 1948 to kill and terrorize the Arab Palestinians ,the rightful owners of the land in order to evict them from their homes and lands to become refugees in Gaza and the west Bank and other Arab Countries. The Israelis again attacked the Arab countries in 1967 and occupied what was left of Palestine and started to build settlements on the land confiscated from the Palestinians which they gave to Jews coming from all over the world.

The Arabs(all Arab Countries agreed to it in an Arab Summit Conference) in the recent years made a Peace offer to Israel offering to have peaceful relations with Israel by all Arab Countries including embassies and trade relations and open boarder asking only that Israel withdraw from occupied territories and recognize an Independent Palestinian State in the West Bank and Gaza and solving the refugees problem, but guess what, the Israelis refused, they think that they can make peace by Killing and maiming thousands of Palestinians, it seems this is the only way they know to make peace.
They should learn from History this is not the way to make peace on the contrary this will rekindle the resistance for generations to come.

In the last conflict you should know that the Israelis were the ones who refused to renew the calming agreement with Hamas in Gaza, It seems that they did so in order to carry out this massive operation, they think this will give them revenge on their unsuccessful operation against Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2006.They were training for this operation since more than a year and prepared a Media Campaign to convince the world that Hamas was the one who started it.

I do not approve the killing of any innocent citizens wether from Palestine or Israel but actually Hamas was retaliating to killing of its people the only way it has. It does not have jet fighters or Apache helicopters or Markva Tanks. They have only home made small rockets.

I refer to the history so that people will understand the frustration the Palestinians are in when they see that the world is not helping in solving the injustice they were subjected to in the past 60+ years,and seeng no light at the end of the tunnel.

manton   January 6th, 2009 2:21 pm ET

A genocide is taking place in palestine and shame to the world leadersthat do nothing and just let it happen.
Shame to Israel and its people. They are terrorists like Hamas is.
My sympathy as Greek citizen goes straight for Palestinians only.

andrea   January 6th, 2009 2:29 pm ET

Yousef: Jewish underground committed acts of terrorism under the British Mandate (i.e. bombing of King David Hotel) but the tone of the relationship with the Arabs was set by the Arab revolts of 1929 and 1936 where hundreds of Palestinian Jews were massacred. Come on, the Great Mufti of Jerusalem worked for Nazi Germany under the noses of the British authorities! I think that admitting past events, abuses, and errors FROM BOTH SIDES, and negotiating toward a fair division of the land is the only way to achieve peace there. But sorry, I don't see Hamas fitting in that picture

manton   January 6th, 2009 3:04 pm ET

@Fanny Ederry No my friend, you didn't build your state on your own. You got your land simply because the winners of WW2 wanted so, and you make wars simply because USA supports you with last generation weapons and lastly, your leaders are free to act in everyway they want simply because all the other countries are not strong enough to rise their voice against US policies.
I am Greek, I am not supporting Hamas, but the dead faces of innocent children I watch every night on my local media brings me furor over your country. Everyone knows that Hamas is a terrorist group but citizens of the world expected a much more sophisticated solution by Israel which it is supposed to be a democratic and civilised society.
This way, your people are not less terrorists than Hamas is.

Sincerely Concerned...   January 6th, 2009 3:15 pm ET

Unfortunate that Hamas did not plan their humanitarian needs as clearly as they did their armament needs...wait...children have been taught in madrasas to hate the western ideals and to give their lives at ages as early as kindergarten and they have asked women and children to martyr themselves. To me an idealogical way of thinking that no matter what international/regional idealogues theorize...boils down to a war of "ways". Israel must protect itself, yet, Palestinians must be recognized. The convergence of religious importance into a small region must be recognized internationally....not borders. If international recognition will not happen of "that" importance to all religions involved....then Israel is on it's own to react and protect its citizens. 3000 rockets by Hamas in a year compared to "how many" Israel rocket, incursions? I submit....international concerns must be discarded for regional stability...carpet bomb if you must, rocket if you must...this is a submission issue on someones part...nothing else will do. Peace will not prevail until someone does so....

andrea   January 6th, 2009 3:35 pm ET

That was the beauty of the 1948 plan... an international Jerusalem with all the Holy Sites...the capital of 3 religions for the world...
shame that the opportunity was lost...

King David   January 6th, 2009 3:46 pm ET

There is no Palistinian nationality. There never was a country of Palistine. The Jews are civilized. The Arabs are not. Christians, Jews,Hindu. and Buddist are peaceful people. Islam is vile and evil. Satan is the adversary of God and mankind. Satan has taken control of Islam. Death and destruction of Islam is the will of God. Knights Templar arise. Let the Crusades begin anew.

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 3:48 pm ET

Dear Oscar from the Netherlands,

I'm sorry but 80 rockets a day is a bit far fetched and the Jews whom were cast out of anywhere by the Romans were long gone by the time the Europeans of Jewish faith decided to take what they wanted with the blessing of the United States and her allies. The Europeans who founded Israel were terrorists,pure and simple. They weren't the displaced flock of Jerusalem,they were terrorists. Hamas is a political body who creation came at the hands of illegal European terrorists. They were democratically elected and had all of their funds seized by America and Israel. What do you expect to arise from such actions? Why did the Palestinian people have to agree to give up 60% of their land in 1948? the answer is,they didn't.

The only thing that will stop the carnage in Palestine is the Arab leaders having the courage to cut Israel off just like Israel has cut off Palestine. But if anyone ever dared question Israel,they would be cast as racists and Jew haters from the right wing. I would have the Israeli war machine closed for business in less than a month or America giving up it's strategic reserves to keep it running,and then we would see just how much support they would be given by the powers that be.

Cath4   January 6th, 2009 3:49 pm ET

Everyone speaks about terrorists. Why are there terrorists? Perhaps if we addressed that issue and tried to solve it, we could all live together peacefully. My uneducated guess as to why there are terrorists: The United States' unfair and one-sided foreign policies in the Middle East. It all started in 1948 when guns, not god, created the state of Israel. Since then, there has been strife in the Middle East caused by Israel's bloodthirsty, immoral leaders, along with the greedy, immoral leaders of the United States.

Final Redemption   January 6th, 2009 3:49 pm ET

yousef, to reply to your ignorant, stupidity is a waste of time and energy, about as intelligent as a people who have homemade small rockets starting with people who have jet fighters and Apache helicopters and Markva tanks. You reap what you sow my friend. You push and you push and you push and when someone pushes back you cry to the rest of the world for help with your tail between your legs.

And Panama my dear friend, you seem like you're an educated chap, yet everytime you open your mouth you weaken your own argument. I'm sorry but your theories do not hold water. You're nothing more than a simple bigot with a one-sided, school textbook open in front of you.

Final Redemption   January 6th, 2009 4:00 pm ET

P.S. Cutting the fuel line to Israel in a cute idea but they probably have just enough fuel in stock to be able to sendplanes to bomb the oil fields of the world in order to level the playing fields.

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 4:05 pm ET

Final Redemption,

Your rhetoric is just more of the same hocus pocus that is fooling no one. Smoke and mirrors have been behind the war in Iraq for the past eight years,and smoke and mirrors are what is behind your logic regarding the annexation of Palestinian land at the hands of illegal European immigrants. We're running around in circles here. Fact European boat people of the Jewish faith forced their way into a sovereign nation and decided to call a part of that nation theirs,and they have been able to prevent the dissolution of their illegal state because of the pressure that America is able to put on the rest of the world,period. And the last line of your post is typical of an ignoramous from the right wing. I'm a bigot says the man who has painted himself into a corner with empty logic and baseless rhetoric lol. OPEC needs to wake up and shut Israel down. I would have them throwing missiles from bicycles and lighting their discoteques and malls with candles.

ms   January 6th, 2009 4:09 pm ET

Definitely yes, nefariously,

THEY have seen things through Amon Göth’s eyes!!!

Isn’t that what you see, when you look at those officials and speakers/snipers?……The same look, the same grinning, the same feeling of having a relative unquestionable virtual power, feeling of happiness of not having any sense, feeling of taste of killing of anyone and anything related to humanity……Why, why do people try to become a male or a female Göth?……..Just a sack of skin full of useless flesh and something else…..dangerous blankly-looking eyes, cold, yellowish faces….. a typical vindictive fanatic….

Isn’t it? If not, how is it explained, how can we explain the things going on: Killing everyone, man, woman, child, baby……So much blood? So much pain? How? Why?

Furthermore this world is incapable of taking decisions and doing something useful at all….

Is this world so small and are we, the people, so powerless to the extent that those atrociously and brutally killed children and babies could not be given even a small place to live…. Not given enough food….? They deserved those (like anybody and any child living in the world) but we could not succeed…………………….They could not find a place and a chance to live…. Unbelievable!!........... Shame!!

What is the difference between a rifle held on a balcony and a tank’s cannon set on the ground shooting people randomly or on purpose? The hands and eyes behind them are the same…..

Enough is enough…Everyone can or should say a clear NO to “There's more to this than meets the eye”, NO to “Benefits”, NO to “Profits”, NO to “High hopes”…. NO to “You are so emotional.”, NO to “Everything is/will be forgotten.” NO to “They are our staff so that they can do whatever they want.”

Even for a while……

This will be so called an abstract one (At least in order to remember there was a thing called humanity once upon a time.)

But the main thing which has to be done (The concrete one) is: With our greatest effort, trying not to have any new Göths, regardless of their nationality or religious beliefs or disbelief attitudes or the weapons they have been using…

Please remind that: In life, there are many things which are much more real and serious than your religious beliefs, your sects, your traditions and your so called holy books….

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 4:16 pm ET

Sure they would send planes to bomb the oil fields,it's in their terroristic heritage to do such things. And you talk about a level playing field as if this is what they're playing on now. Smoke and Mirrors my poor misguided man. Israel is a state that should have never existed and now problem is how to unring that bell. That's right Mr Redemption,continue to ignore the reality of what happened in 1948 at the hands of European terrorists, Al Nakba.

So Israel is the little child suffering from PTSD who is allowed to do as she pleases because she tosses out that guilt card every chance she gets. Nope,only bigots can call the founders of Israel what they really were,and only bigot who read one sided history books can call the occupiers what they really are,terrorists. If that's the case,then consider me guilty as charged. No house built in sand shall stand and good things are not begotten from bad things. Try to remember that the next time an Israeli missile hits a school where civilians are hiding.

andrea   January 6th, 2009 4:20 pm ET

Panama, you are certainly right that those Jews displaced by the Romans are dead. The point I made was the historic precedent that the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Sea of Galilee belonged to the Jews before it did to anyone else. They did not relinquish it by treaty, they did not sell it; they were conquered. Hence their claim of ownership. What you seem to argue is that the Arabs conquered Palestine in VIII AD by brute force fair and square and therfore it belongs to them. Fine but the fact NOW is that there are two large masses of people who don't get along; thus the country must be partitioned. To partition the land, they have to sit and talk, and Hamas does not want to do that.
You are not helping the situation. And King David you are really far out too!

andrea   January 6th, 2009 4:23 pm ET

Carpet bombing????

I don't want anybody to ruin my carpet

rlmat   January 6th, 2009 4:28 pm ET

Israel will not be happy until it has eliminated all of the Palestinians and the Palestinians will not be happy until they have eliminated all of the israelis. So let them go at it and the world will be a more peaceful place after they are all gone.

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 5:14 pm ET

Andrea,my points have nothing to do with anything that involves uprisings and takeovers before the 20th century when we were supposed to be more civilized than that. My point involves the illegal aliens who had no claims to the land that they took,other than what they interpreted from a book or scrolls that contained such characters as the guy who talked to bushes that were on fire and gollums(sp).

The fact is Palestine was an established state that has been taken by people who came from Europe and who committed acts of terrorism to create their illegal state. The Jews of Israel and the Arabs of Palestine both call Jerusalem their holy headquarters and both share religious prophets. Israel will never agree to an equitable partitioning of the land so what other recourse is there?

Do you notice that everytime there is an Israeli leader who entertains the idea of peace or concessions,he is either tossed out of government on some trumped up corruption hocus pocus,or assassinated? The last true chance for peace came with Itzhak Rabin,and everything that followed has been nothing more than grandstanding. Israel wants concession/submission on the part of the Palestinians,and the only way that this issue will be solved is if Israel is forced to negotiate in the same manner that they have tried to force the Palestinian people to negotiate. And I also find it interesting that no one will condemn the founders of Israel for what they did,but want to condemn the Palestinians for fighting back.

Abdul   January 6th, 2009 5:21 pm ET

Neria and final redemption

You both need to talk to Neve Gordon from Ben-Gurion
Univ in Israel to get some truth about what Jews did after
They left Gaza. I suppose he is one of your guys???

I have attached his article in this blog for every one to read

And yes I have always talked about both Jews and Hamas
To value innocent lives. Unfortunately u can't get your
Anger and hatred for palestinian out of your system.

andrea   January 6th, 2009 5:43 pm ET

Panama: yes they, the Jews, have their problems too with the far right and the more orthodox, etc etc. I'm not expert in Israeli politics but I think this government is the moderate party – I know it sounds ludicrous to name moderate the one bombing the heck out of the neighbor but that is the case.
I must disaagrre on your statement that Palestine was a stablished state; Palestine was a province of the Ottoman Empire until 1917 when it was occupied by the British in WWI (the British general was Allenby and the bridge over the river Jordan named after him is still standing). The League of Nations put together what is today Israel, the West Bank, Gaza and Jordan in one piece and called it "Transjordan" and gave it to Britain to administer as a mandate. After WWII, the British gave Jordan to King Abjdullah (Hachemite I think) and wanted to leave Palestine as a secular state but Jews and Arabs kept on fighting each other...and the British. There were more Arabs than Jews at that time but I can't name a ratio. The Jews brought refugees from Europe and the Arabs called in their neighbors. Britain gave the territory back to UN and UN came up with partition plan. It was accepted by Ben Gurion but rejected by the Arab countries surrounding the territory and the Palestine Arab groups. BAD MISTAKE!!!
War boke out and the Jews won. That dust brought this mudslide.
The thing is to bring moderate Arabs and Israelis together. Now my opinion? Jerusalem is the Gordian knot and the only solution I see is to make it international, run by the UN. But probably nobody agrees with me heck!!!
I just feel so sorry for all the people there...no matter who they are!!!

Denis   January 6th, 2009 6:03 pm ET

SO let me get this straight,

The grand plan:
1) Begin starvation of the entire population
a) if population does not fight back continue with 1)
b) if population starts to fight back apply harsh punishment
i. If media gets involved, simply point out the the bad behavior
that triggered the harsh punishment as a form of justification

I'd say it's a full proof plan.

CeeJay975   January 6th, 2009 6:06 pm ET

The innocent lives of civilians in Gaza would be greatly reduced if Hamas would stop using schools, mosques, and residential neighborhoods as a cowardly human shield to to store and fire their weapons . The headlines keep making Israel look like baby killers because of this. Hamas is strategically doing this for a reason. The citizens of Gaza have a responsibilty to keep their families safe. Are they being forced to act as human shields?

Farseer   January 6th, 2009 6:11 pm ET

The world has forgotten too fast about "Black September" and how happy Jordan was to get rid of Paletinians , how sick they were with the unending terror acts the "innocent civilians" carried out .

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 6:13 pm ET

Andrea,

The Palestine that existed when Israel was founded was British Mandate Palestine and they had their own Passport. It is true that the land had changed hands several times and did at one time make up a part of Transjordania and Syria I believe. But this would be like the situation that exists today in the former Yugoslavia,one state that has become two or three. I think what troubles me the most outside of the indiscriminate killing that's going on is that the playing field has never been level. People can say whatever they want about Hamas but the fact is that they are borne from Israels birth and are doing exactly what the Israelis have been doing for 60 years. So the Israelis want to take land by force and then be friends with everyone involved? it doesn't work like that. As for what to do with Jerusalem? take it away from everyone, make it something like Vatican City. Israel is never going to know peace so long as circumstances on the ground are what they are. I wonder what will be the tipping point in the region. I think that when Israel decides to attack Iran will you see some dramatic changes in the region,that will not bode well for Israel.

oscar   January 6th, 2009 6:20 pm ET

dear panama216

i just came home and read ur note.u say hamas is not a terrorist groups then why do they smuggle bombs into the country i guess in ur views to make tea with it right?

Like I said before the palestians will continue to suffer until they realise the truth that hamas is the problem they have.
I recall the hamas leader talking about obama if i may ask is obama already president ? Why do they need to hear from obama. A true soldier will be on the frontline of the battle and not hiding in safe houses I must say that is cowardly of him. He is well protected and the palestians are out receiving fire too sad they can,t see.

Oscar from amsterdam ,netherlands

Taani   January 6th, 2009 6:43 pm ET

I think that alot of people are still ignorant to the history of the Palestian and the Jewish conflict. Go back to the history books and maps of that region before WWII and you will see that that region was referred to as "Palestine" not "Isreal". It wasn't till the UN decided that they should make up for the atrocities that the Nazis did against European Jews by giving Palestian lands and property to refugee Jews that it became the State of Isreal. That's right! The UN stold this land from the Palestians. How do you think you would react if the UN decided that the Northeastern part of the United States should be given back to Britian and that all property should be handed over the refugees coming from there? I don't know about you, but I would FIGHT with all my might to keep what was rightfully mine. Now as far as Gaza, please don't forget that they have been under embargo for the last year and half. Put yourself in their shoes. No food, no medicine, minimal electricity, etc. Do they not have the right to retaliate? Go to Palestine and then cross over to Isreal and see the difference in the quality of living. Believe me it is very unbalanced. Some say that the people in Gaza are guilty themselves for electing Hamas as their leaders. It's ironic that the people in the West call for democracy to be upheld accross the world, but as soon as a group of people pracitice democracy and they elect a leader that is not what the West approves of, then democracy is out the window, and the West and it's allies are justified in removing that choice. Ha! I am American and I ask other Americans to not forget our Founding Fathers. At today's standards, they would be considered terrorist agains the British, yet we refer to them as freedom fighters. Isn't that what the Palestinians are doing, "fighting for their freedom and their rights"? The Jewish State is commiting genocide and the world is standing back just as they did with Rawanda and allowing it to happen. So before we point the fingers at others, lets point them at ourselves first and educate ourselves to the realities of both sides not just the Jewish side.

andrea   January 6th, 2009 6:43 pm ET

You know...it will only stop when all of you, Muslims and Jews in that area, are tired of warring and decide to live together and improve your lives together. I hope that occurs sonner rather than later. I hope everyone of you can find some peace within yourselves ... it is pretty pointless to live by hate.

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 6:49 pm ET

Oscar,bombs are smuggled along with everything else that they need to survive. They smuggle because unlike Israel,they cannot buy missiles and F-16s. When was the last time you saw a Palestinian in an AH-64 firing raining missiles down on Israelis? The Israelis murder Palestinians at a ratio of 10:1 but it's Hamas who are the terrorists.

oscar   January 6th, 2009 6:53 pm ET

panama216
please tell me why they need bombs to survive?
oscar

Fred Dupont   January 6th, 2009 6:55 pm ET

For all you hypocrites !

You didn’t mind when the Hamas in a daily basis shot missiles on the israeli population, in the south of Israel for the past 3 years. Did you ! How would you and your gornverments would react if your own cities and population would be bombed ? Any answer Mr. Hypocrite ? Oh, another question… another Extrem Muslim government this time in Khartoum, Sudan, is killing 10000 (ten thousand) black africans in the Darfour regions, killed by arab militias called the Janjawids. Many of this population escape to Chad, not forgeting the rapes and mutilations... I don’t know how you call it, But I call it GENOCISE. But what do you care Mr. Hypocrite ! They’re not on TV and their lifes are certainly not as important as the lifes of the Palestians or others
One more thing, I think it is very sad to see the Hamas terrorists shooting at civilians and then running to hide behind their own civilians, that brings to the tragedy of innoncent people dying. in both sides. And that’s probably the reason why the leaders of the moderate Arab world DO NOT supporte the Hamas because they know their real nature, aims and allies.
Mr. Hypocrite use your brain and think about it.
I wish the palestinian people will live in peace, liberty and prosperity and with a leadership that for once cares about them.

And here's a little present:
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/how-hamas-greeted-9-11/30415/

Esther   January 6th, 2009 7:05 pm ET

"To better understand the ongoing situation in the Middle-east, a brief historical overview is necessary.

Since 2001 more than 7000 rockets and mortar shells deliberately targeting civilians have been fired onto Israeli cities neighboring the Gaza strip. This permanent threat to the Israeli population has tremendously changed the lives of thousands of citizens and caused the deaths of dozens while more than 1,000 were wounded.

In September 2005, Israel withdrew completely from the Gaza strip and dismantled all of its settlements.

In January 2006, Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections. Rule over Gaza passed to the Islamist organization government led by Ismael Haniyeh.

June 25, 2006, Gilad Shalit was abducted by the Hamas from Israeli soil – An act of aggression and provocation from Hamas to which Israel refrained from responding.

In June 2007, Hamas during a bloody putsch took control of the Gaza Strip, brutally killing dozens of Fatah members while chasing out the rest.

In June 2008, a 6 month truce negotiated by Egypt was expected to lead to calm, both for the inhabitants of the Negev and for the population of Gaza. This truce was not respected as many rockets and missiles were fired into Israel from Gaza.
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Hamas has exploited the six-month ceasefire to smuggle an enormous amounts of weapons through tunnels between Egypt and the Gaza Strip, including Iranian manufactured Grad-type rockets that have a range of up to 40 km. This kind of rocket has hit for the first time a school in Beersheba on December 31. There were no casualties since the school had been evacuated the day before.
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After the Israeli withdrawal, the Hamas – with total control over Gaza – could have improved the daily life of the Gaza’s citizens by concentrating its energy on the economic development of the region and ceasing its cross-border attacks. Such a step from the Islamic movement would certainly have convinced the Israeli government and the entire world community that it was capable to change. Then, it’s more likely that the Israeli authorities would have been willing to make a similar withdrawal from the West bank where most of the Palestinians reside which would subsequently lead to the constitution of a Palestinian State.
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Israel has tried, unsuccessfully, to send many signals to the Hamas in order it stops its attacks. Israel could more or less get along with a low amount of short range rockets, the constant increase of field of rockets finally left no choice but to intervene against the Hamas. Israel, as every Nation, has the duty to protect its citizens.
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It must be clear that not a single responsible Member State would sit back in silence and do nothing as its citizens and territory came under constant attack. They would not lay idle as the alarms in Sderot, Ashkelon, Beersheba and tomorrow possibly Tel-Aviv? – blare "Colour Red, Colour Red", giving Israeli civilians less than 15 seconds to protect themselves before the rocket slams into their lives, their homes, hospitals, kindergartens, schools, and playgrounds.
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After 6 months of truce, Hamas decided unilaterally to break it and was not only willing to cease attacks. Instead, it mocked Israel’s inability to counter attacks, explaining that the Jewish State was paralyzed by its domestic politics. Hamas thought that Israel’s will to renew the truce was an acknowledgement of weakness that allowed it to continue firing and acquiring longer range rockets.
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The decision to launch Operation 'Cast Lead' was not easy for the Israeli authorities but they managed to carry out an operation that could obviously no longer be postponed.
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Yet, Israel has declared that it does not intend to reoccupy Gaza but only to make sure that all the military capacities of Hamas will be dismantled. The aim is to make the operation as short as possible. Unfortunately, Israel cannot allow pressures to freeze its operation as long as Hamas’ aggressions have not been eradicated. Israel cannot allow a return to the previous status quo ante or, worse, a victory for Hamas. This would be a catastrophic scenario which would weaken not only Israel in the long term but would certainly put the Middle-East into an era of unprecedented chaos, strengthening the conviction of Islamist extremists – including Iran – that Israel can be defeated.

Commentator   January 6th, 2009 7:07 pm ET

The name 'Palestine' was given to the region by the Romans who, after 70 AD, divided the area into 'Palestina Prima' (Galilee; the northern area) and 'Palestina Secunda' (the southern area including Jerusalem),. Jews had lived in these regions since at least 920 BC. Archaeological evidence bears out the long period of Jewish ownership of the land prior to the Arab invasion of 642 AD - for example, the 5th Century AD synagogue at Gaza which was beautifully decorated with a mosaic floor bearing the image of King David.

The Arab invasion resulted in a brutal and bloody conquest of Roman/Byzantine Palestine, and an end to Jewish hegemony. In today's terms, this Arab aggression would be regarded as an illegal occupation.

delij   January 6th, 2009 7:11 pm ET

Why are they killing innocent children of Palestine ?

May be they are afraid that they all grow up to be future suicide bombers. Haven't you heard ever "Nip it in the bud"
If you believe in some god (any god) he will find the solution. Only he can and will.
Don't get ahead of yourself thinking that Hamas or Jews or any other group/nation have the final say over the out come. In gods big picture, we all die in the end for some reason, it could be desease, war, famine, accidents or just ripe old age (if you are lucky enough to survive all of the preceding conditions). And the new life begins even if its all too short & only to be blown up for some stupid religious fantacy

Julie Donnelly   January 6th, 2009 7:17 pm ET

Israel was able during the air raid to shoot down and hit targets like shooting ducks in a barrel. ENOUGH!! I am no supporter of Hamas or of the Arab dictatorships that shed no tears on their own misdeeds at home. But I am sick of how cheap Arab lives are thought of by Israel and how most of the media and American politicians tippy toe around her.

Maggie   January 6th, 2009 7:27 pm ET

How is it that the world cannot discern that what's happing in the Middle East is within the plan of Almighty God and that this is only the beginning of the end? God's wrath is upon those who are against Israel and God will not be mocked! God says very clearly in His Word that He will bless those who bless Israel, and will curse those who curse Israel. Instead of entering into futile so-called negotiations, let every man, woman and child get down on their knees and pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that His will be done here on earth as it is in heaven and repent of and turn away from their wicked ways. This is the only solution. What the world needs now is Godly wisdom and love, the greatest gift of all. The land of Israel was given to the Jews by God. Nobody but the Jewish nation has a right to occupy that land and no human being is fit to rule in righteousness. May the King of kings and Lord of Lords come quickly to save humanity from itself.

B in Ohio   January 6th, 2009 7:31 pm ET

STOP! STOP! STOP! CNN. Will you please stop the favortism towards those in Gaza. Israel is not responsible for this war. Hamas is to blame. I am sick and tired of seeing those who have been wounded in Gaza. How about those who have been killed in Israel from Hamas sending missiles into Israel the last eight years. Your station is very biased. You continue to speak of death and destruction among the Palestinians , but whose is at fault here? Hamas is the guilty party. They are hiding behind the skirts of woman and children. Go Israel show them defeat.

james   January 6th, 2009 7:47 pm ET

DON'T FORGET WHAT ISRAEL DONE WITH USS LIBERTY SHIP IN 1967..... HOW WE CAN TRUST ISRAEL ?????????

Nuno   January 6th, 2009 7:53 pm ET

"Now clearly I’m not a Middle Eastern expert". Why are you writing about something you don't know then? Clearly in your article you were unable to go beyond the demagogy of people dying. It is sad, naturally it is. It should be solved, naturally yes, as soon as possible.

Politics is society. Hamas, a terrorist organization, was elected democratically – which is in itself an oxymoron to democracy – by the Gaza citizens. This organization decided to end a cease fire and start throwing rockets into a foreign country. Why? With what intention?

The same organization, a few months ago was killing their fellow Palestinians that they care so much about. The 'war of brothers' as they called it. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_factional_violence). Even the Arab league condemns Hamas for the current situation – hence Egypt posture.

Suggestion: What about smuggling medical supplies through the Hamas tunnels?

Final Redemption   January 6th, 2009 8:04 pm ET

All the pro-Palestinians in this group keep referring to the history books and the map of Israel from 60 years ago. Who are you to determine which map to use and which part of history we should use as our yardstick? I say why go back 60 years? Let's go back 3000 years. Why not? I think 3000 years is a good amount of time go back. Or does that not suit your arguments?

anti Nazi   January 6th, 2009 8:22 pm ET

Israel's army's compassion?? you make me laugh
if waging a Holocaust against Palestinians is "compassion", then Israel's no better than the Nazis.

Final Redemption   January 6th, 2009 8:25 pm ET

Ironically, today is the 10th of Teves, a day which Jews all around the world fast. Why do they fast? Because this is the day Nevuchadnetzar, king of Babylonia, began the siege of Jerusalem, ultimately landing up in the destruction of the Temple. Yes, the one that you see the ruins of in Jerusalem today. I implore all my anti-Israel frinds out there to google when this sequence of events took place as I don't believe your history books cover this period in time. They should. Or once again does this not suit your arguments?

This is a land given to the Jews by G-d himself. Yes Panama, the same G-d who wrote those scrolls you mentioned earlier. And yes, the G-d of that character you mentioned who spoke to that burning bush. Please tell me you're not an athiest Panama.

amy   January 6th, 2009 8:26 pm ET

Larry you are a miserable human being....

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 8:30 pm ET

Of course you want to go back 3000 years redemption,that's how empty your logic is. You are a right wing lemming whose justification of what the illegal immigrants of Europe have been doing for the past 60 years exposes you as nothing more than a blind hypocrite. And Nuno,do you not understand that Hamas is an organization borne from the birth of the illegal state of Israel? This means that if Israel had not been declared a state,there would have been no Hamas. What is it with you people who expect ticker tape parades for a people who have massacred and terrorized people that they've stolen land from? As for the Palestinian response to 9-11,are you for real? A sad testament to the public school system in America is what I see here.

abdul   January 6th, 2009 8:32 pm ET

ESTHER AND FINAL REDEMPTION

i HAVE MENTIONE DYOUR NAME BUT THIS IS. FOR ALL OF US. i WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR FEED BACK.

You both need to talk to Neve Gordon from Ben-Gurion
Univ in Israel to get some truth about what Jews did after
They left Gaza. I suppose he is one of your guys???

I have attached his article in this blog for every one to read

An Experiment in Famine
Hamas is Not the Real Issue
By NEVE GORDON

EVERY ONE SHOULD READ THIS TO FIND OUT WHY THE ROCKETS ARE COMING

Neve Gordon teaches politics at Ben-Gurion University, Israel and can be reached at nevegordon@gmail.com

The experiment in famine began on January 18, 2008. Israel hermetically closed all of Gaza’s borders, preventing even food, medicine and fuel from entering the Strip. Power cuts, which had been frequent for many months, were extended to 12 hours per day. Due to the electricity shortage, at least 40 percent of Gazans have not had access to running water (which is channeled through electric pumps) for several days and the sewage system has broken down. The raw sewage that has not spilled onto the streets is now being poured into the sea at a daily rate of 30 million liters. Hospitals have been forced to rely on emergency generators leading them to cut back, yet again, on the already limited services offered to the Palestinian population. The World Food Programme has reported critical shortages of food and declared that it is unable to provide 10,000 of the poorest Gazans with three out of the five foodstuffs they normally receive.

After five days of extreme suffering, a group of Hamas militants took the lead, and blew-up parts of the steel wall along the Egyptian border. Within hours more than 100,000 Gazans crossed the border into Egypt. They were hungry, thirsty and sick of being locked up in a filthy cage. Once in Egypt they bought everything they could get their hands on and waited patiently for the international community to intervene on their behalf. Yet the world leaders failed them again, and on January 28, after a five day respite, the iron wall was re-erected and the Palestinians were pushed back into the world’s largest prison — the Gaza Strip.

Ehud Barak, Israel’s Minister of Defense, did not stammer when he justified his decision to experiment with famine; he had no qualms about introducing a policy that historically only the most brutal leaders have adopted.

His argument seems rational. Barak said that no government in the world would tolerate the ongoing bombardment of its citizens from across the border. Since other measures — like harsh economic sanctions, extra-judicial executions, the ongoing barrage of northern parts of the Strip as well as the bombardment of several critical infrastructure sites, like the electric power plant and Palestinian government offices — did not do the job, Israel had no other option.

This ostensibly rational argument conveniently ignores the fact that since its victory in the January 2006 democratic elections Hamas has proposed several cease-fire agreements, the latest emerging just last week. In these proposals, Hamas agrees to stop launching missiles at Israeli citizens, in exchange for Israel ending its incursions into Gaza, the assassinations of militants and political leaders, and the economic blockade.

Hamas’s proposals underscore two important facts. First, despite what Barak says the use of force is not the only option Israel has: The government could decide to open a dialogue with Hamas based on a cease-fire agreement. Second, it emphasizes, as Israeli critic Uri Avnery cogently observes, that Israel is cynically using the assaults on its own citizens as a pretext for attempting to overthrow the Hamas regime in Gaza and for preventing a Hamas takeover in the West Bank.

Ultimately, though, even the courageous Avnery does not spell out Israel’s main objective. The central issue for Israel is not Hamas yes or no, but rather Palestinian sovereignty yes or no. The recent crisis reveals, once more, that Israel’s August 2005 unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip was not an act of decolonization but rather the reorganization of Israeli power and the implementation of neo-colonial rule. Israel realized that in order to maintain sovereignty all it would have to do is preserve its monopoly over the legitimate means of movement. Very different from the withdrawal of British forces from the various colonies of old, it accordingly continued to dominate Gaza’s borders, transforming the Strip into a container of sorts whose openings are totally controlled by Israel.

The experiment in Gaza is, in other words, not really about the bombardment of Israeli citizens or even about Israel’s ongoing efforts to undermine Hamas. It is simply a new draconian strategy aimed at denying the Palestinians their most basic right to self-determination. It is about showing them who is in control, about breaking their backs, so that they lower their expectations and bow down to Israeli demands. The Palestinians understood this and courageously destroyed their prison wall while crying out into the wilderness for international support. Instead of the expected outrage, the only response they received was a weak echo of their own cry for help.

Neve Gordon teaches politics at Ben-Gurion University, Israel and can be reached at nevegordon@gmail.com

amy   January 6th, 2009 8:34 pm ET

No human being can't justify the killing of children and woman.
If you are a jew try not to place a comment in this forum.
We Americans are having a terrible reputation in the world because of you. Just please remain silence and don't try to justifies the killing of children!

Dev   January 6th, 2009 8:34 pm ET

I think that what alot of the people on this blog have forgotten is the simplest thing....Hamas has stated PUBLICLY that is wants nothing but Israels destruction...THAT alone was grounds to kick the living daylights out of Hamas and any other TERRORIST organization out there...notice...I said TERRORIST...not the "Military Wing" or the "Political Wing", etc...Hamas was elected by their people who SUPPORT what Hamas does day in and out...now that the big dog has become untied is is wreacking havock in their own back yard do you hear them begging for help...you made your own bed as the saying goes...but do I think medical aid should be halted...absolutely not...as a veteran of the US Military, I can tell you to a man that we do not try to hit civilians and if they are hit, we'll try and get them medical care ASAP...but Hamas hides amongst the civilian population...shooting from schools, hospitals, mosques, etc....THAT makes them a legitimate target according to the Geneva Conventions...would it make me mad that my family was killed or wounded...you bet...but the palestinian people MUST now realize that if Hamas hadn't taken over, peace would've surely followed...but they elected them KNOWING who they were....it's now time for the harvest of what they sewed when they elected Hamas and their terrorist thugs...

j.wooldridge   January 6th, 2009 8:37 pm ET

The Isrealis & their gov't are nothing more than a fanatical bunch of murderous crimminals , bent on committing wholesale GENOCIDE against innocent children . This is the Jewish version of NAZISM in it's purest form . The whole world is a victim now of the morally corrupt Jewish state & it's insane greed for power & land . This hypocritical & dangerous Isrealis state should be broken up& disbanded before they drag the whole world into total destruction , just to satisfy their NAZI mentality . The Jew's & their Leaders cannot be trusted to secure peace at the expense of piles of dead Palestinian children to satisfy their brand of the Final Solution . The Jew's will destroy the middle east if they are not forced to give up their claim to all Arab lands . I'am a proud Canadian & feel nothing but disgust for this Monsterous ,,,, Democracy of the Middle east . Does anyone really think the Jew's care about the murder they commit in the Name of Zionism , hardly The Jew's & their kind have lost all moral direction & are now the most dangerous entity in the Middlle-East . If these bullies of the Middle east are not brought under control . No- one inthe part of the world has any Future worrth SAVING .

Final Redemption   January 6th, 2009 8:45 pm ET

Abdul, every litter has a runt.

abdul   January 6th, 2009 8:50 pm ET

PRESS IS STILL NOT ALLOWED TO GO IN GAZA. ISRAEL DOES NOT WANT TO SHOW THE WORLD WHAT GREAT JOB THE SMART BOMBS ARE DOING ????

THE INDRESCRIMINATE BOMBING AGAINST THE POPULATION IS TO PUNISH THEM FOR DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTING HAMAS AND NOT WHAT THE JEWS AND US WANTED???

ron lewis   January 6th, 2009 8:59 pm ET

bradley, i am an aussie
where have you been,
do you believe your shit, they teach the kids to do bomb their selves, no sir, it is against their religion.
i think you are a scared .
you have seen on tv how a few idiots who bomb them selves and usually the innocent who die.
because he was muslim , then you nthink all muslims are the same.
look at what happened at WACO texas, david was a christian , i dont think all christians are idiots like david . what about oklahoma that idiot bombed a fbi building ect ect...
islam means peace and 99.99% of all muslims follow .
bradley take your blinders off .

abdul   January 6th, 2009 9:00 pm ET

Final Redemption,

You just cant answer the question??? Why do you have to be so full of hatred?? Is this how you are around in your home. Were you in Hamas training camp??? Just kidding@@@@

rizvan   January 6th, 2009 9:01 pm ET

united nation and oic shuld do something to ease the tension of btw isreal and hamas....hamas is a democrated government and it shuld not be called a terrorist organisation and treated as threat....
wat hamas wanted was the opening of gaza strip...and dats dere right and shuld be given ...the way isreal has taken dere military tanks and armed force in the gaza is condenmnable act and the world shuld unite against them...its worst then the hitlers nazism.,..atleast aid ...medicne and food shuld let be passed to the affected people....its ridicilous

Chris   January 6th, 2009 9:01 pm ET

In the U.S. there is a WAR on Drugs

In the Middle East there is a WAR between Palestinians and Israelis

In the U.S. Drug Dealers mainly work from the inner cities

In the Gaza Rocket launchers mainly work from the inner cities

In the U.S. the government doesn't bomb the inner cities and civilians to get to the Drug Dealers

In Israel the government bombs the inner cities and civilians to get to the Rocket launchers

Final Redemption   January 6th, 2009 9:03 pm ET

Firstly, Esther, your post is well written, very informative and hits the nail on the head.

Secondly, I have taken the liberty to copy and past a post in this blog that was posted by Ben. In reflects the atrocities commited by radical Muslims in the world in the past two months alone. Abdul and Panama, i'm interested to get your feedback on this. Ben's post is as follows:-

Ben January 5th, 2009 813 GMT

WHO IS TO BLAME? LIST OF ATTACKS MADE BY MUSLIMS, LIKE HAMAS, IN THE PAST 2 MONTHS AROUND THE WORLD:

Date Country City Killed Injured Description
1/4/2009 Pakistan Di Khan 10 25 Islamic bombers blast at least ten people to death in an attack at a college campus.
1/4/2009 Thailand Pattani 1 1 Muslim gunmen murder a man and injure his wife as they are riding in their vehicle.
1/3/2009 Iraq Baghdad 4 16 Shia pilgrims are among the victims of two Sunni bombing attacks.
1/2/2009 Iraq al-Yusufiyah 23 110 A Fedayeen suicide bomber wades into a lunch crowd at a reconciliation meeting between Sunni and Shia leaders, killing twenty-three.
1/2/2009 Pakistan Swat 3 0 Three civilians are shot to death in two attacks.
1/2/2009 Pakistan Balogram 2 0 Two policemen are abducted by Islamists and gruesomely tortured to death.
1/2/2009 Pakistan Bajaur 1 0 Muslim terrorists shoot a tribal elder to death.
1/2/2009 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 A local cleric is shot to death by al-Shabaab radicals in his home in front of his blind mother.
1/2/2009 Pakistan Mingora 1 0 A local dancing girl is quickly gunned down by Islamists after her husband kicks her out of the house.
1/2/2009 Somalia Mogadishu 9 0 Two soldiers and seven civilians are killed in an Mujahid bombing and the ensuing fire fight.
1/1/2009 Somalia Baidoa 1 0 A member of a reconciliation committee is murdered by Islamic militia.
1/1/2009 Somalia Mogadishu 2 0 Two local officials are assassinated by Mujahideen.
1/1/2009 Pakistan Peshawar 3 6 Three policemen are killed by two Religion of Peace bombs.
1/1/2009 Pakistan Swat 3 0 Three people are shot to death by Islamic terrorists in separate attacks.
1/1/2009 Pakistan Bajaur 4 16 Four civilians are killed when Mujahideen fire rockets into an office complex.
1/1/2009 Iraq Mosul 3 5 A Shahid takes out three Iraqis.
1/1/2009 Somalia Afgoye 1 0 A journalist is killed during an attack by Islamic militia.
12/31/2008 Philippines Bagong 1 0 Moro Islamists gun down a civilian.
12/31/2008 Iraq Baghdad 14 66 Four members of a religious minority are among fourteen killed by Islamists in four attacks.
12/31/2008 Denmark Odense 0 2 A Muslim shoots two Jewish vendors at a shopping mall.
12/31/2008 Somalia Baidoa 1 0 A woman is shot to death by Islamic fundamentalists over an ‘illicit’ relationship.
12/31/2008 Philippines General Santos 0 22 Moro Islamists toss a grenade into a New Years Eve celebration, injuring over twenty.
12/31/2008 Afghanistan Helmand 21 0 A mother pleading for her son’s life is among twenty-one persons shot in cold blood by the Taliban.
12/31/2008 Pakistan Mir Ali 1 0 A 28-year-old man is kidnapped and murdered by the Taliban.
12/31/2008 Pakistan Darra Adamkhel 4 6 Three women and a child are killed when Muslim terrorists fire a rocket into their home.
12/30/2008 Philippines Esperanza 1 0 A 17-year-old Christian taxi driver is killed by a bomb planted by Muslim radicals.
12/30/2008 Pakistan Mingora 1 0 A local official is assassinated by Muslim militants.
12/30/2008 Iraq Jalawla 1 0 Suspected al-Qaeda gun down a tribal leader.
12/29/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 5 10 At least five civilians are killed, including a young child, when Islamists bomb a market.
12/29/2008 Israel Ashkelon 1 7 Hamas rockets hit an Israeli home, killing a resident.
12/29/2008 Afghanistan Kabul 2 17 Two Afghan civilians are blown to bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
12/29/2008 Israel Ashdod 1 1 A mother of four is killed by a Palestinian rocket.
12/29/2008 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A Shahid suicide bomber takes out a shopper at a grocery.
12/29/2008 Pakistan Gwalirai 2 0 Two men, abducted days earlier, are murdered in captivity by the Taliban.
12/29/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 1 A woman is shot to death on her way to work by Muslim terrorists. Three others are killed elsewhere.
12/29/2008 Iraq Mahaweel 3 0 A mother and daughter are among three people killed by Sunni bombers.
12/28/2008 Iraq Mosul 4 20 A 12-year-old boy is among four civilians taken out by a suicide bomber on a bicycle.
12/28/2008 Pakistan Buner 43 16 Religious extremists take out over forty people at a polling station with car bombs. Five children are among the dead.
12/28/2008 Thailand Yala 1 0 Islamic gunmen murder a man in a tea shop.
12/28/2008 Iraq Fallujah 4 10 Four Iraqis are murdered in two Jihad bombings.
12/28/2008 Pakistan Miranshah 3 0 Three young civilians, including an 18-year-old, are kidnapped and hung by Taliban militants.
12/28/2008 Afghanistan Khost 16 58 Fourteen children on their way to school are deliberately murdered along with two adults by a suicidal Sunni bomber.
12/27/2008 Israel Netivot 1 4 Hamas rockets kill an Israeli man and injure four others.
12/27/2008 Afghanistan Kandahar 5 5 Five Afghans are blown up by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
12/27/2008 Afghanistan Kabul 3 0 Three teenage sisters are crushed to death by a Taliban rocket barrage.
12/27/2008 Iraq Baghdad 24 45 Women and children are among two dozen people blasted to death by Jihadi car bombers.
12/26/2008 Pal. Auth. Beit Lahiya 2 0 Two young girls are killed when a Palestinian rocket hits their home.
12/26/2008 Pakistan Gilgit 5 0 A child is among five people shot dead in a sectarian ambush.
12/26/2008 India Kishtwar 1 0 Mujahideen abduct a man, then murder him in a wooded area.
12/26/2008 Pakistan Bajaur 1 9 A child is killed during a Taliban rocket attack.
12/25/2008 Iraq Baghdad 4 24 Sunni extremists bomb a restaurant, killing four patrons.
12/25/2008 Iraq Muqdadiyah 3 12 A Fedayeen suicide bomber takes out three other people.
12/25/2008 Iraq Bishkan 1 1 A 13-year-old is murdered in her home by Jihadi invaders.
12/24/2008 Pakistan Lahore 1 4 Muslim bombers take out a woman along a city street.
12/24/2008 Philippines Kalamansig 1 0 Moro Islamists fire at a motorboat, killing a passenger.
12/24/2008 Iraq Fallujah 3 4 Three children are killed in a suspected al-Qaeda roadside attack.
12/23/2008 Pakistan Swat 4 0 A man and his wife are among four people murdered by Mujahideen in three attacks.
12/23/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 7 An Islamist shooting and bombing leave one dead and seven injured.
12/23/2008 Iraq Kifl 1 0 A man is kidnapped and tortured to death by Religion of Peace militants.
12/23/2008 Iraq Mosul 2 6 A child and doctor are murdered by Islamic terrorists.
12/23/2008 Philippines Isabela 0 26 Abu Sayyaf members toss two grenades into a group of people enjoying a musical performance.
12/23/2008 Philippines Sultan Kudarat 9 8 Moro Islamists storm two villages and shoot nine civilians to death.
12/23/2008 Pakistan Mingora 2 0 A beggar woman and her daughter are gunned down at point-blank range by Holy Warriors.
12/23/2008 Iraq Tarmiyah 5 4 A man and his wife are among two people blasted to death by Jihad bombers.
12/22/2008 Afghanistan Ghazni 3 4 A suicide bomber takes out three civilians.
12/22/2008 India Baramulla 2 0 Two local soldiers are shot to death at close range by Muslim assassins at a market.
12/22/2008 Pakistan Swat 6 8 Two women are among six civilians killed by Mujahideen in three incidents.
12/22/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 7 22 Seven civilians are killed during an attack by Islamic guerrillas
12/21/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 50-year-old civilian is murdered by Muslim gunmen on his way home.
12/21/2008 Pakistan Swat 3 0 Mujahideen drag three people out of their home and shoot them in cold blood. The victims include a man and his son.
12/21/2008 Pakistan Bannu 2 0 Islamic militants rocket a government building, killing two people.
12/21/2008 Pakistan North Waziristan 2 0 Two brothers are brutally kidnapped and murdered by Sunni extremists.
12/20/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 7 A woman standing outside a convenience store is murdered by Islamic bombers. Children are injured as well.
12/20/2008 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 49-year-old security guard is shot to death by Muslim radicals as he leaves his home.
12/19/2008 Iraq Baghdad 7 0 Islamists behead seven Iraqis.
12/19/2008 Pakistan Khyber 3 0 Three civilians are killed when Sunni militants open fire on an empty fuel tanker.
12/19/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 1 10 A civilian is shot to death during an attack by Jabalu Islamiya terrorists.
12/18/2008 Pakistan Hangu 4 1 A child is among four peope shot to death by Islamists in three attacks.
12/18/2008 Iraq Diyala 2 17 Two Iraqis are taken out by roadside bombers.
12/18/2008 Iraq Kirkuk 1 0 A female women’s rights activist is beheaded in her home by Islamic terrorists.
12/18/2008 Philippines Iligan 3 47 Islamists detonate nail-packed bombs at two shopping malls in Christian areas, killing at least three people.
12/17/2008 Iraq Baghdad 18 53 Eighteen innocent souls are snuffed out by Jihadi bombers along a city street.
12/17/2008 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 16-year-old boy is shot to death outside of a 7-Eleven by Mujahideen.
12/17/2008 Pakistan Matta 2 0 Taliban militants abduct and kill two locals.
12/17/2008 Pakistan Wana 1 0 A civilian is shot to death by religious extremists.
12/17/2008 Pakistan Jamrud 1 1 A woman is killed, and a child injured, in a Taliban rocket attack on a vehicle.
12/17/2008 Pakistan Kanju 2 0 A couple is murdered for having unmarried sex.
12/16/2008 Pakistan Swat 2 0 Islamic terrorists gun down two people in separate attacks.
12/16/2008 Iraq Baghdad 1 3 A 13-year-old child is taken out by Islamic bombers.
12/16/2008 Iraq Mosul 8 16 Two suicide bombings leave eight Iraqis dead.
12/16/2008 Iraq Baghdad 3 15 Jihadis place a bomb near a college campus, killing three people.
12/16/2008 Thailand Yala 3 1 Muslim terrorists shoot three people to death at a market, including a woman
12/16/2008 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Two young guards escorting a teacher are gunned down by Muslim radicals.
12/15/2008 Thailand Narathiwat 2 1 A 4-year-old child is among three people shot by Islamists in two attacks.
12/15/2008 Iraq Sinjar 7 3 Women and children are among seven members of a religious minority sect slaughtered in their home by suspected Sunnis.
12/15/2008 Iraq Khan Dhari 9 31 Nine Iraqi police are blown apart by a Fedayeen car bomber at a checkpoint.
12/15/2008 Pakistan Swat 6 3 Six locals are murdered – two beheaded – by Taliban fundamentalists in three attacks.
12/15/2008 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 53-year-old man is gunned down in front of a food shop by Islamic terrorists.
12/15/2008 Iraq Tarmiya 1 1 A female suicide bomber takes out an Iraqi man and seriously injures his son.
12/14/2008 Afghanistan Paktika 1 0 A musician is kidnapped and killed by Taliban fundamentalists for defying a ban on music.
12/14/2008 Pakistan Jamrud 2 1 Mujahideen shoot two tribal elders to death along a road.
12/14/2008 Pakistan Mandal Daag 9 3 Sunni extremists murder a rival cleric and eight of his followers.
12/14/2008 Afghanistan Kandahar 3 11 Three Afghans are murdered by a Taliban bomb hidden in a street vendor cart.
12/13/2008 Philippines Basilan 3 3 A woman is among three people murdered in their home by Moro Islamists.
12/13/2008 Pakistan Miranshah 2 0 Islamists slit one man’s throat and shoot another to death.
12/13/2008 Pakistan Matta 4 0 Four tribesmen are shot to death by the Taliban.
12/13/2008 India Doda 1 2 Mujahideen gun down a woman in her home.
12/13/2008 Pakistan Swat 5 0 Five civilians are killed in a terrorist landmine attack.
12/12/2008 Thailand Yala 3 3 Three border guards are killed when Islamic militants open up on them with automatic weapons.
12/12/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 2 Jihadis kill a man and seriously injure two others with a planted bomb in a karaoke bar.
12/11/2008 Iraq Kirkuk 55 120 Fifty-five Iraqis are blown to bits at a restaurant by Shahid suicide bombers.
12/11/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 10 11 Children are among ten people killed during an attack by Islamic militia.
12/11/2008 Yemen Reida 1 0 A Jewish leader is gunned down by a Muslim shouting, ‘Jew, receive the message of Islam.’
12/11/2008 Afghanistan Helmand 4 1 Religious extremists trick a 13-year-old boy into carrying explosives to British troops, which were then detonated remotely.
12/11/2008 Pakistan Matta 3 4 Tehrik-e-Taliban terrorists gun down three locals.
12/10/2008 Iraq Jalawla 1 2 A civilian is taken out in a Jihad bomb blast.
12/9/2008 Philippines Maguindanao 1 8 A local soldier is killed when Moro Islamists open fire on them with automatic weapons.
12/9/2008 Pakistan Buner 1 4 A 10-year-old child is murdered by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
12/8/2008 India Bharatpur 2 0 A man reclaims his honor by shooting his daughter and her boyfriend after learning of their sexual relationship.
12/7/2008 Pakistan Peshawar 1 0 The Taliban murder a local security guard at a depot.
12/7/2008 Iraq Baquba 3 39 Jihadis kill three Iraqis with a bomb hidden in a shop.
12/6/2008 Afghanistan Kunar 4 2 Four local soldiers are killed when religious extremists attack their vehicle with a roadside bomb.
12/6/2008 Pakistan Swat 3 0 Three civilians are gunned down by suspected Taliban.
12/6/2008 Iraq Babel 4 0 Four children are killed by a landmine planted near a soccer field by suspected Sunnis.
12/6/2008 Iraq Kirkuk 1 15 A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills only one other person.
12/6/2008 Iraq Wajihiya 3 4 al-Qaeda gunmen attack a Sunni village, killing three people.
12/6/2008 Somalia Baidoa 3 0 An Islamic militia member tosses a grenade into a market, killing three civilians.
12/5/2008 Pakistan Bannu 2 3 Taliban militants kill two policemen with a rocket attack.
12/5/2008 Pakistan Mir Ali 1 0 Sunni extremists abduct and murder an 30-year-old man.
12/5/2008 Pakistan Orakzai 10 5 Religious extremists take out ten shoppers at a bazaar with a suicide blast.
12/5/2008 Pakistan Peshawar 34 131 Twenty-nine people at a marketplace are blown to bits by sectarian car bombers.
12/5/2008 Thailand Narathiwat 5 12 Five people are killed at a grocery by Islamic bombers.
12/5/2008 Iraq Baghdad 2 2 Mujahideen bombers take out two Iraqis.
12/4/2008 Afghanistan Khost 5 10 Five people are killed in two suicide attacks by Sunni extremists.
12/4/2008 Pakistan Bahawalpur 1 0 A young girl is clubbed to death by her uncle on suspicion of ‘illicit relations.’
12/4/2008 Iraq Fallujah 15 147 Women and children are among fifteen Iraqis blasted to death by Jihadi car bombers.
12/4/2008 Dagestan Khasavyurt 1 0 A woman is killed by Islamic car bombers outside an apartment building.
12/4/2008 Thailand Pattani 2 0 A 60-year-old man is among two people gunned down by Muslim separatists.
12/4/2008 Iraq Albu Toma 25 0 Twenty-five al-Qaeda victims are found in mass graves.
12/4/2008 Iran Bluchistan 16 0 Jundullah terrorists kidnap and execute sixteen Iranian nationals.
12/3/2008 Pakistan Shabqadar 5 6 Five locals are killed by a Fedayeen car bomber.
12/3/2008 Iraq Albu Toma 13 0 Thirteen victims of al-Qaeda kidnappings are found in a mass grave.
12/3/2008 Chechnya Grozny 3 0 Three people are shot inside their home by suspected Mujahideen.
12/2/2008 Iraq Tal Afar 5 30 Jihadis successfully kill five Iraqis with a car bomb.
12/2/2008 Dagestan Makhachkala 1 4 Suspected Muslim militants gun down a cop.
12/2/2008 Pakistan Sunpag 1 0 Religious extremists abduct a local official, keep him for a few days, then slaughter him and stuff his body in a bag.
12/2/2008 Pakistan Kabal 1 0 A civilian is shot to death by Islamic terrorists.
12/2/2008 Iraq Mosul 4 12 Two young children are among four killed when Mujahideen place a bomb outside a school.
12/1/2008 Iraq Baghdad 16 35 Sixteen police recruits are murdered by two Jihad bombers at their academy.
12/1/2008 Afghanistan Musa Qala 10 25 Ten shoppers are blown up by a suicide bomber at a market.
12/1/2008 Iraq Mosul 15 25 A Fedayeen suicide bomber takes out fifteen civilians along a city street.
12/1/2008 Afghanistan Ghazni 1 0 A local official is assassinated by religious extremists.
12/1/2008 Pakistan Swat 11 66 Women are among the casualties of a horrific suicide attack on a traffic checkpoint. Eleven are killed.
12/1/2008 Pakistan Peshawar 2 0 Taliban militants attack a supply convoy, killing two drivers.
12/1/2008 Thailand Yala 1 0 Muslim terrorists gun down a rubber tapper in his orchard.
11/30/2008 Dagestan Makhachkala 4 0 Muslim gunmen shoot four people to death.
11/30/2008 Pakistan North Waziristan 1 0 The Taliban abduct and murder an Afghan civilian.
11/30/2008 Pakistan Peshawar 1 1 A local driver is killed when Sunni militants lob rockets into a terminal.
11/30/2008 Pakistan Bannu 6 5 Six local police are killed in two Taliban ambushes.
11/30/2008 Afghanistan Kabul 2 3 A streetsweeper is among two civilians blown up by a suicide bomber.
11/29/2008 Iraq Albu Toma 38 0 Thirty-eight victims of sectarian violence within the Religion of Peace are found in a mass grave.
11/29/2008 Iraq Mosul 3 18 Two brothers are among three killed in an attack on a jewelry shop by Sunni terrorists.
11/29/2008 Iraq Baghdad 3 12 Three people are murdered by an Iranian-made rocket fired by Mujahideen.
11/29/2008 Somalia Baidoa 2 10 Two people are killed in blasts by suspected Islamic milita.
11/29/2008 Chechnya Enginoy 1 0 A woman is shot to death over suspected immoral behavior.
11/28/2008 Iraq Mussayab 12 18 Twelve people at a mosque are blown to bits by rival sectarian bombers.
11/28/2008 Iraq Kut 1 2 A child is killed when Muslim militants fire a rocket into a home.
11/28/2008 Iraq Baghdad 2 10 A Fedayeen suicide car bomber kills two civilians.
11/28/2008 India Mumbai 5 0 Five Jewish hostages, including a rabbi and his wife, are murdered by Islamists.
11/28/2008 Pakistan Bannu 7 16 Six civilians and a cop are murdered by a suicide bomber along a city street.
11/28/2008 Pakistan Gharibabad 6 0 Three women and a child are among six member of a family murdered in their home by the Mujahideen.
11/28/2008 Nigeria Jos 6 0 Six Christian pastors are among hundreds killed when Muslim rioter stage a deadly church-burning rampage.
11/28/2008 Nigeria Jos 2 0 Two Christians are macheted to death after a cleric inspires his followers to ‘kill unbelievers.”
11/27/2008 Pakistan Swat 6 0 Six people are shot to death by Sunni extremists in separate attacks, including a brutal abduction.
11/27/2008 Afghanistan Kabul 4 18 A suicide car bomber takes out four local civilians outside the US embassy.
11/27/2008 Iraq Mosul 2 28 Suicide bombers successfully take out two Iraqi civilians.
11/27/2008 Afghanistan Badghis 13 11 Thirteen local security personnel are killed in an ambush by religious extremists.
11/26/2008 Dagestan Makhachkala 1 0 A border guard is shot and killed by Muslim militants.
11/26/2008 Dagestan Khasavyurt 1 2 A police officer is gunned down outside a mosque by Jihad terrorists.
11/26/2008 Chechnya Grozny 6 0 Six women are shot in the head and chest over suspected immorality in separate attacks.
11/26/2008 Pakistan Peshawar 2 6 Two residents are killed when the Taliban fire rockets into their home.
11/26/2008 Iraq Samarrah 6 0 Six people are murdered by local Jihadists.
11/26/2008 Iraq Diyala 23 0 Twenty-three victims of sectarian terrorists are found in a mass grave.
11/26/2008 Philippines Makir 1 3 Moro Islamists ambush a group of local soldiers guarding a highway, killing one.
11/26/2008 India Mumbai 178 370 Mujahideen throw grenades and machine-gun over one-hundred and fifty civilians and tourists to death as they attack several sites, including a hotel, cafe, market and train station.
11/26/2008 Russia Vladikavkaz 1 0 A mayor is assassinated by local terrorists, who call him an “enemy of Allah.”
11/25/2008 Pakistan Kohat 0 0 Four persons, including a mother and child, are killed when sectarian Jihadis fire into a vehicle.
11/25/2008 Somalia Baidoa 1 0 A local officer is shot several times in the chest by Islamists at a market.
11/25/2008 Iraq Mosul 2 5 Two Americans are shot to death while handing out humanitarian aid.
11/25/2008 Pakistan Matta 3 5 A butcher is among three people gunned down by the Taliban in separate attacks.
11/25/2008 Pakistan Shahdra 1 0 A Muslim lad hacks his stepmother to death with an axe over ‘illicit relations.’
11/25/2008 Pakistan Hangu 4 9 Shia militants open fire in a hotel, murdering eight Sunni rivals.
11/25/2008 India Mumbai 4 0 Islamic terrorists hijack a boat in Pakistan and kill the four man crew.
11/25/2008 India Baramulla 1 2 A 14-year-old boy is killed when Islamists throw a grenade into a roadshow.
11/24/2008 Thailand Yala 3 1 Islamists gun down three civilians and severely injure a teacher in separate attacks.
11/24/2008 India Doda 1 0 A civilian is murdered in his home by Muslim terrorists.
11/24/2008 Dagestan Karabudakhent 2 3 Muslim rebels open fire on a group of policemen, killing two.
11/24/2008 Iraq Baghdad 5 24 A female suicide bomber takes out five Iraqis.
11/24/2008 Iraq Baghdad 13 6 Women and children are heavily represented in the thirteen bus passengers massacred by Mujahideen bombers.
11/24/2008 Pakistan Mingora 1 0 Religious extremists execute a woman in her home for immoral behavior.
11/24/2008 Pakistan Kabal 1 0 Mujahid assassinate a local political activist.
11/23/2008 Ingushetia Nazran 1 0 Islamic militants kill an off-duty cop at a grocery store.
11/23/2008 Iraq Muwaylaha 9 0 Nine kidnap victims of an Islamic milita are found in a mass grave.
11/23/2008 Chechnya Sadovyi 5 4 Mujahideen murder five security personnel and a civilian in two attacks.
11/22/2008 Afghanistan Kunar 0 0 After being held in captivity for three months, the Taliban execute a local official when their demands are not met.
11/22/2008 Afghanistan Khost 2 15 A 15-year-old boy and a man are blown to bits when Holy Warriors bomb a vegetable market.
11/22/2008 Iraq Iskandariya 10 0 Two women are among ten people found executed in a mass grave in a Sunni stronghold.
11/22/2008 Afghanistan Ghazni 1 0 A local civilian is captured and shot to death by Sunni radicals.
11/22/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 15 75 At least fifteen civilians are killed in attacks by Islamic militias on security forces.
11/22/2008 Ingushetia Nazran 1 0 A cafe worker is gunned down by Muslim rebels.
11/22/2008 Pakistan Hangu 5 8 Two children are among five killed when Islamists set a bomb off inside a rival mosque.
11/22/2008 Afghanistan Kabul 1 1 Sunni extremists kill a French de-miner with a landmine.
11/22/2008 Pakistan Mingora 1 0 Religious extremists burn down a video store and shoot a civilian to death.
11/22/2008 Pakistan Bannu 3 0 A Taliban rocket attack on a police post leaves three dead.
11/21/2008 Iraq Baghdad 3 15 Mujahideen take out three Iraqis with a roadside bomb.
11/21/2008 Afghanistan Zabul 3 4 Three civilians are blown to bits by a suicide car bomber.
11/21/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 9 20 Five children are among nine civilians killed in a rolling series of attacks by Islamic militia in residential areas.
11/21/2008 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 11 40 Radical Sunnis gun down a Shia cleric, then bomb his funeral, murdering eight others.
11/21/2008 Pakistan Hangu 1 0 Religious extremists fire a rocket at a checkpoint, killing a policeman.
11/21/2008 Iran Tehran 1 0 A 43-year-old businessman is tortured by police into a “confession” then executed as a spy.
11/20/2008 Pakistan Bajaur 9 6 A suicide bomber enters a rival mosque and takes out nine innocents.
11/20/2008 Iraq Mosul 5 0 Two women are among five people murdered by terrorists while sitting in their vehicle.
11/20/2008 Afghanistan Khost 8 13 A Fedayeen suicide bomber detonates outside an office building, sending eight Afghans to Allah.
11/20/2008 Iraq Kut 5 0 Sunni extremists invade a home and kill five residents, including children.
11/19/2008 Yemen Joaar 5 0 al-Qaeda terrorists gun down four local cops and a civilian.
11/19/2008 Pakistan Islamabad 2 0 Two men are shot to death by Mujahideen along a city street.
11/19/2008 Dagestan Buynaksk 1 0 A local cop is gunned down by suspected Muslim militants.
11/18/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 1 Mujahideen gun down a woman and her son on their way to work at a plantation.
11/18/2008 Thailand Yala 1 1 Islamists gun down a soldier shopping at a local market as well as his wife, who came to his defense.
11/18/2008 Iraq Baghdad 15 0 Fifteen bodies are found beneath a house controlled by the militia of a Shiite cleric.
11/18/2008 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Two Buddhists are shot to death by Muslim militants, who then mutilate the bodies and take amputated arms.
11/17/2008 Pakistan Swat 4 3 Four Pakistanis are blown apart by a suicide car bomber.
11/17/2008 Afghanistan Kandahar 4 8 Religious extremists murder four civilians with a roadside bomb.
11/17/2008 Ingushetia Nazran 1 1 Islamic separatists shoot a married couple in their car, killing the man and putting his wife in the hospital.
11/17/2008 Afghanistan Farah 6 4 Talibanis ambush a group of local soldiers, shooting some and beheading others.
11/17/2008 Thailand Pattani 3 0 A 73-year-old woman is among three civilians murdered by Religion of Peace gunmen in separate attacks.
11/17/2008 Afghanistan Dand 3 2 Three Afghans are murdered by a suicide bomber.
11/17/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 44-year-old security guard is shot three times by Islamic terrorists while riding his motorbike.
11/17/2008 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 A civilian is killed, and his 8-year-old daughter badly injured, when Islamic gunmen fire on their pickup truck.
11/16/2008 Iraq Jalawla 15 20 A Fedayeen detonates himself in a crowd, sending fifteen innocent souls to Allah.
11/16/2008 Somalia Baidoa 3 10 A child and two women are blown to bits by Muslim bombers at a marketplace.
11/16/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 2 2 Islamists open fire on a car, killing two businessmen.
11/16/2008 Pakistan Anayat Kalley 1 0 A tribal elder is killed in a brutal ambush by a group of Taliban.
11/16/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Islamists shoot a man to death outside a mosque.
11/16/2008 Thailand Yala 1 0 A young man is murdered outside his home by Muslim gunmen.
11/16/2008 Iraq Baghdad 3 6 Jihadis manage to kill three Iraqis with a roadside bomb.
11/15/2008 Somalia Yaqshid 2 0 Two civilians are killed during an ambush by Islamic extremists.
11/15/2008 Iraq Tal Afar 9 40 Mujahideen plant a car bomb at a car dealership, killing nine employees and customers.
11/15/2008 Iraq Baghdad 3 25 Three people are killed when terrorists detonate a bomb near a theatre.
11/15/2008 Philippines Sarangani 2 0 Moro Islamists murder two local soldiers with a landmine.
11/14/2008 Afghanistan Khost 3 0 Three construction workers are shot to death by Sunni extremists.
11/14/2008 Pakistan Ramora 2 0 A young man is forced by honor to kill his sister and her lover after finding them in a compromising position.
11/13/2008 Philippines Mindanao 3 0 A 5-year-old boy is among three civilians killed by Moro Islamists during an assault.
11/13/2008 Iraq Ramadi 4 3 A Fedayeen suicide bomber murders four people.
11/13/2008 Afghanistan Nangarhar 9 74 Islamic suicide bombers hit a livestock market, sending nine innocents to Allah.
11/13/2008 Dagestan Urguba 1 1 Suspected Islamists gun down a local cop at point-blank range.
11/12/2008 Iraq Baghdad 21 87 Nearly two dozen Iraqis are successfully killed by Mujahideen bombers in three attacks.
11/12/2008 Afghanistan Kandahar 6 42 Six people are killed when a suicide bomber flattens a commercial district.
11/12/2008 Iraq Mosul 2 0 Two Christian sisters are shot to death inside their home by Muslim militants.
11/12/2008 Pakistan Peshawar 2 0 An American humanitarian worker and his driver are murdered by Islamic radicals.
11/12/2008 Afghanistan Kandahar 0 3 Religious extremists spray three teenage schoolgirls with acid while they are walking to school.
11/12/2008 Afghanistan Farah 1 0 A religious cleric who condemned suicide bombings is kidnapped and executed in captivity by the Taliban.
11/12/2008 Pakistan Charsadda 6 15 A half dozen people are murdered by a Fedayeen suicide car bomber.
11/11/2008 Thailand Yala 2 0 Two laborers are shot to death by Islamic militants in separate attacks.
11/11/2008 Thailand Pattani 2 0 A 79-year-old woman is murdered along with her son by Muslim terrorists as she is walking home.
11/11/2008 Iraq Baghdad 3 15 Mujahideen target newpaper vendors with bombs, killing at least three.
11/11/2008 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A Buddhist civilian is shot to death at close range by Islamists.
11/11/2008 Pakistan Peshawar 4 13 A suicide bomber murders four people outside a sports stadium.
11/10/2008 Pakistan Orakzai 1 9 Sunni extremists fire on a passenger bus, killing one person.
11/10/2008 Dubai Umm Suqeim 1 1 A brother stabs his sister’s lover to death in an honor killing. (The woman is also stabbed, but survives).
11/10/2008 Iraq Baqubah 7 12 al-Qaeda sends a 13-year-old female suicide bomber to a gathering where seven people are killed.
11/10/2008 Iraq Baghdad 30 68 Two Sunni suicide bombers massacre thirty Shia civilians outside a fine arts school.
11/10/2008 Thailand Narathiwat 1 5 Islamists kill a local soldier with a roadside bomb.
11/9/2008 Philippines Pikit 2 3 A 12-year-old boy and 10-year-old girl are brutally gunned down by Islamic extremists.
11/9/2008 Philippines Maguindanao 2 0 Two locals are abduted and shot to death by Moro Islamists.
11/9/2008 Iraq Fallujah 3 5 Two woman and a 10-year-old girl are blown to bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
11/9/2008 Algeria Jijel 1 0 Islamic fundamentalists murder a 52-year-old civilian.
11/9/2008 Afghanistan Herat 2 4 A suicide bomber yells ‘Allah Akbar’ then detonates along a highway, killing two Spanish soldiers.
11/9/2008 Pakistan Matta 1 0 A woman is pumped full of bullets after being found guilty of adultery by a Sharia court.
11/8/2008 Pakistan North Waziristan 2 0 Two civilians are abducted, then riddled with bullets by religious extremists.
11/8/2008 Algeria Naciria 1 0 A young man delivering bread is shot and beheaded by Islamic fundamentalists.
11/8/2008 Iraq Ramadi 8 12 A double suicide bombing by Fedayeen leave eight Iraqis dead.
11/8/2008 Somalia Jamame 1 0 A aid worker, whose agency helps construct roads, is murdered by Islamic militia.
11/8/2008 Somalia Lego 3 0 Al-Shabab terrorists kidnap and behead three local soldiers.
11/7/2008 Pakistan Mingora 2 11 Two local security personnel are dismembered by a suicide bomber.
11/7/2008 Iraq Baghdad 6 12 Two Jihad bombings leave six civilians dead.
11/7/2008 Afghanistan Ghor 1 1 Talibanis assassinate a local official.
11/7/2008 Pakistan Changa Manga 1 0 A 15-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her brother on suspicion of sexual relations.
11/6/2008 Thailand Yala 1 0 The 47-year-old widow of a murdered man is herself gunned down by Muslim militants.
11/6/2008 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A young woman is shot to death by suspected fundamentalists over immoral activity.
11/6/2008 Russia Vladikavkaz 11 40 A female suicide bomber strikes at a marketplace busstop, murdering at least eleven passengers.
11/6/2008 Algeria Cabilia 1 0 A popular mayor is kidnapped, executed and then burned by Islamic fundamentalists.
11/6/2008 Pakistan Khar 22 45 Fedayeen suicide bombers take out over twenty people at a gathering of tribal elders.
11/5/2008 Pakistan Waziristan 5 0 Five civilians are hanged by religious fundamentalists.
11/5/2008 Pakistan FATA 1 0 Mujahideen abduct and murder a local official.
11/5/2008 Iraq Baghdad 6 12 Six people are blown to bits by a suicide bomber at an airport.
11/5/2008 Thailand Yala 1 0 A school janitor on his way to work is shot to death by Islamic extremists.
11/5/2008 Somalia Mogadishu 1 3 Islamic militia kill a local guard with a hand grenade.

Final Redemption   January 6th, 2009 9:12 pm ET

I guess all these incidents are justified just like the rocket attacks on Israel. Wake up and smell the coffee. Look who you "people" are.

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 9:17 pm ET

Here again is Mr Redemption with more hocus pocus,slight of hand,and empty facts that have nothing to do with what is going on in Palestine as we speak. I see that you and your other right wing cohorts have mastered the techniques of Mr Goebbels himself. I'm sure that he's smiling and slapping his knees wherever he may be at this moment.

Dev   January 6th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

THAT is alot of attacks...all in the name of Mohammed...or Islam....or what ever anyone wants to call it...radical islam hides behind religion to shield itself...maybe we should just let the leash on Israel go and just say 'We'll talk to the winner"...but that wouldn't solve anything...

ron lewis   January 6th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

bradley, 7 years of rockets..ok
you think the jews are doing nothing?? bul shit.
the palestinians can't even breath with out the jews stomping on their throats.... you have to remember the land is palestine not israel, look at maps before 1949. don't forget the bloody british put the bastards (jews) there (palestine) they are occupied . now they (jews) want to destroy the palestinians. the jews have put high walls everywhere, they have checkpoints everywhere , they can not have a garden with out checking the jews, they check the hospitals, the schools, they check their electricity, the palestinians can't even had a fart....would you like to live there? remember this is palestine. they are worse than HITLER. people who think they teach about suicide are narrow minded fools

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

Radical Islam is no different than Zionism and amidst all of those attacks,you still don't come to the same number of casualties that you have in the conflict between the illegal European immigrants and the Palestinians. A used car salesman uses the same trickery that was just attempted by redemption.

They'll bring you into the showroom,show you one model and then sell you another one that's more expensive. I don't care if all of those listed attacks were in the name of the butterfly princess of Igglyland,they have nothing to do with the slaughter of Palestinians at the hands of the illegal enitity of Israel. Al Nakba.

ron lewis   January 6th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

what about the women and children mister BUSH (scum bag)
you can stop the shit
i can't believe that this is 2009 and the most powerful man in the world will not stop the killing.... its the same as lebanon. Bush ( scum bag) . He didn't stop it then and he will not do it this time. their is blood on your hands . do it for the children, for god sake.everyone should stop and talk. they are taking out families, not hamas but normal families. please stop. i still ask, if they ( palestinians) had OIL then BUSH will stop the carnage

Final Redemption   January 6th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

Here again Mr Panama with another completely useless and shallow answer. Why do you choose to ignore the facts? Look at them! Read them! Are you blind or just plain stupid? The facts above have EVERYTHING to do with what's going on in Gaza right now. The Israeli's know exactly who they are dealing with because the facts speak for themselves. Don't dodge the facts, you keep throwing your dredged up facts in our faces. Go on, take the time to read what radical Islam is all about. Also, try leaving the Holocaust metaphors out of your answers, they are pathetic and desperate.

It is not my intention to convert you or change your mind. Frankly, we all know that this is not any of our intentions here.Your writings too will not change my opinion, but it is important to highlight to people out there what we are up against. Radical Islam is the number one problem in the world today and the Israeli's realistically seem to be the only ones doing anything about it. There will always be casualties in war. There will always be innocent deaths (who just happen to be the same innocent people who danced in the street after 9/11 but that's for another day). Seriously, what choice do they have? Let go of your 60 year/Al Nakba nonsense and get with the program.

Stop clutching at straws and playing the poor abused victims. Hamas had this coming. How long did they really think they could continue with their terror tactics unchecked?The facts speak for themselves. Read them with an open mind.

Shalom Amigo

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Yeah yeah yeah,9-11,people dancing in the streets whatever. You are failing at every turn Mr Redemption,and you are failing because your rhetoric is based on sentiment and not the reality of the situation. We're talking about the atrocities taking place in occupied Palestine right now and what do you want to do? Take up bandwith with some nonsensical and excruciatingly long post about everything under the sun EXCEPT the atrocities in occupied Palestine.

Hmmmmm I see that you now bristle at the mentioning of Al Nakba (the truth has been known to hurt). Israel has never known peace and they shall never know peace,and I suspect that they shall bite off more than they can chew with Iran and that shall solve this problem once and for all. I understand that there is a report out that says that Iran will have a nuclear response for Israels nuclear arsenal in about two years,let's see how that plays out. As for playing victim,who has the worlds victim been since the holocaust? And as we see in your chest thumping and grandstanding,you are beyond reproach or so you think.

I sense a solution on the horizon for this enigma known as the illegal state of Israel,and perhaps your only ally America,will be too broke to bail them out of the jam that they're going to get themselves into. Al Nakba....Remember who the real terrorists are.

Me   January 6th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

In 3 weeks who are you all going to blame? Obama.... hell no, he is like the second coming. Get over it.

As far as this war in the middle east. Sounds like war, let it go, and we will eventually have a winner. People have been fighting over this little precious thing since time has began, that little thing is "land".

Im not condoning either direction, however I do, and whole heartedly believe Hama IS a terrorist organization. If Hamas comes out the victor well good for them, good luck and see you when I see you.

Anyone ever play basketball in the park? Losers walk – thats the way it goes.

The world will never be perfect, will never be in harmony and will never get along. The sooner some of you people realize the reality of the global situation the sooner you can step out from behind that green fog you live in. I dont have to like it, I dont have to support anything. But I accept reality for what it is.

Sunshine   January 6th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

Palestinians get what they deserve. They provoke Israel daily by throwing rockets, electing Hamas govt, blowing themselves in public places. Have they stoped that, there would be no conflict. But they are not gonna stop that because Koran calls to fight the infidels (non-muslim).

No matter what Palestinians will get (territory-wise), they will continue the war on infidels! They will keep blowing themselfs up and taking the lives of others, they will be throwing rockets. This is part of radical interpretation of the muslim religion.

And guess what? They themselfs have not read Koran. Instead of using money for educating the people so they can read and make conclusions for theemselves, the gov't spending it on rockets and amunition. So how do you suppose the people will know what their "bible" says? They don't, they only know what the Hamas leaders tell them: "Kill the infidels!" And that is how the conflict exists and the resolution is not in sight!

Panama216   January 6th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

So Sunshine says that the "Palestinians" get what they deserve,but will cry foul when people clap over seeing the towers fall. And again the daily throwing of rockets is a bit of a stretch but Israeli helicopters assassinating Palestinians during the supposed cease fire isn't a stretch at all. Again with this blanket label of radical muslims. I think that this story is going to get really interesting in about a years time. Al Nakba.

Final Redemption   January 6th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

Panama, answer this question honestly...

If you were in a room with a bunch of Israeli's and you were handed a loaded AK47, would you pull the trigger?

ron lewis   January 6th, 2009 10:54 pm ET

sunshine... you have no idea.... remember this is palistine..

abdul   January 6th, 2009 10:56 pm ET

Final Redemption,

The research is good but no killings can be justified.

You just cant get over the hatred do you??? No KILLI NGS can be be justified.

Just becasue some one killed or murdered humans does not give the JEWS right to kill others.

There are thousands of murders that hapen around the worls does not mean you will go out with your SMART boms a nd start killing others

take a chill pill and stop hating humans.

By the way you have yet to answer my questionss???

ron lewis   January 6th, 2009 11:13 pm ET

the jews stole palestine and they have been torturing them for 60 years. surgical accuracy targeting the hamas....mosques,schools.hospitals.apartments,universities, government buildings and they are using this bomb that comes out of the sky and has a lot of little bombs. they don't want journalists in the gaza or isreal and they keep showing a small hole in the ground in isreal, is that isreal. what have they got to hide? obviously they have been a dirty mongrels. also have you seen these jew politicians when they ask them a question about the rockets , it is different answers every time. they are the biggest liars. give the palestinians a fair go.
the jews are War mongers. remember the women and children are get killed not the hamas. if its not stopped then in the future there will be big trouble later. come on bush, you can do it.

nadine   January 6th, 2009 11:44 pm ET

Dear sunshine :
You say that Palestinians deserve whath theyre getting? How about we say that America would be deserving of an iraqi and afghanistani invasion for what they are doing in those two countries...
What makes you think you can vouch for all of Islam saying who has and who has not read the Quran? Its also funny how you go ahead and contradict yourself, saying what the Quran calls for and then stating that we Muslims have not read it...
No one would be satisfied with getting any amount of "territory" that is less than all when it is known to be our right to live on the Palestinian land. If you would have done some homework (or anyone for that matter), youd be quick to find out the truth behind Israel being an illegal state. If you would like to debate on that also, id be more than glad. The formation of Israel goes hand in hand with secret agreements between the British and Jews of the Zionist organizations. British mandate had no legal right to any of these proclaimed agreements and therefore Israel is not legally existant. But its okay, you can shun the truth all you want, we Palestinians know the real truth and it is because of this , that we continue to fight in the face of greater opposition, without hesitation.
Electing Hamas was a choice made by the people because they believed that they were willing and are willing to fight for the Palestinian cause and to create a better Palestine. Its funny how all this blame is thrown on the shoulders of Hamas when in reality they recieve NONE of the money given to the "Palestinian Government". Fatah, the puppet government run by America's , gets all this money and uses it for their own material purposes. Dont lecture us about "our government" when America and Isreal wont even recognize the people elected Hamas who are willing to make changes for the better. Instead they are classified as a "terrorist organization" because they wont live up to the desires of the US. Its time to stop being ignorant and to start get facts before laying down fallacies.

Lisa Hachicho   January 7th, 2009 12:16 am ET

The way Isreal became Isreal was in 1948. Before that time it was Palestine and everyone lived togehter. How can the Jewish people after being persecuted for so long come into another people's homeland, take what they want by what ever means including killing and then ever mention how badly they have been treated again. The Isrealis have been breaking international law for 50 plus years been getting away with what ever they want all along. Shame on all of us for allowing it to happen. I guarantee that each and everyone of us would never live under the conditions that the Palestinians have had too. No right, no freedom and for millions no home to return to! I hope everyone realizes that the Christians in Isreal are leaving by the bucket full too as they are not so happy either. Who are the real terrorists? By the way terroism means" The political use of terror and intimidation". As an American, I am ashamed of the way my country has allowed this to go on for so long and for what benefit to us???

Ivan   January 7th, 2009 1:24 am ET

Why anyone after all these years does not come to the fact that every war in the world it's just for money making. Even in Israel. The US can easily stop this war. But who will buy new weapons if there is no war. As I have understood Israel buys weapons from the US. Stopping the war will mean no money.
And the UN are sooooooooo lazy. There are just talking and talking and doing nothing else.
Before the second world war there was a similar organisation called League of Nations. It collapsed in front of Germany. The same fate will be for the UN.

Chris   January 7th, 2009 1:42 am ET

The citizens of the United States should pressure the United States government to rescind its tens of BILLIONS $$$$$ in loan guarantees to Israel

Then Israel would get the message

Larry   January 7th, 2009 1:43 am ET

I hope that the intelligent people out there reading these blogs pay close attention to the vile racist rhetoric of writers like Ron Lewis (too embarrassed to use his Arab name ?). These are perfect examples of how these people are raised from birth in Arab lands. Palestinian TV, Mullahs, Midrassas all preach the most vile hatred of Jews, Israelis, and Christians.
By the way, all of you comfortable Americans, Brits and other Westerners who believe that you will avoid the coming Muslim onslaught by bashing the only Western democracy in the Middle East; stop fooling yourselves. Bin Laden has repeatedly said that his battle is with the Crusaders ? Just who do you think he means? He means you, the good Christians who join the Muslims in their unabashed hatred of Jews.
Do you think for a minute that the Muslim atrocities in Bali, Iraq, Pakistan, India, Spain, France, England and Russia have anything to do with Jews, Palestine or Palestinians? They hate you all! Any they are exploiting your hatred of Jews and Israel while they invade your countries (look at Denmark, England which even CNN calls Londanistan, France, Spain). They are taking over and you do not even know it. Count the number of mosques in your neigbhorhoods iof you have any doubts. They control your press through intimidation (Denmark); they control your policy through terror (Spain).
You all better wake up. A global Jihad is under way.

Bewildered   January 7th, 2009 1:45 am ET

Bewildered at the concept of proportionality ???
Hamas just doesn't have sophisticated weapons !!!!

Cease fire ???
So that Hamas can rearm, get longer range missiles and "level the playing field" I guess...introduce some proportionality to the equation.

Worlwide protests ????
Who protestested when Hamas was lobbing rockets into Israel???

Bewildered at Journalists that feast on pictures of dead and wounded women and children........victims of their own Govt ideology.

Bewildered that Western sympathizers believe that they could love Palestinians more than they love themselves.

THE REALITY !!
Every human race has been oppressed or enslaved at some point in time. Palestinians should learn from others how to make the best of a situation. Blacks were once slaves in America.....Now a mixed race black man, is President of America. He didn't do it by lobbing rockets at white men.

Palestinians problems are self inflicted. But never mind....the protests that we see in so many Western countries today, will be the seed that they sow.....and they (Western countries) will painfully reap...

One day...the same protesters u are happy to parade on TV in condemnation of Israel, will rise in you own countries and DEMAND a separate homeland.....lol lol. Idiot westerners....

Chris   January 7th, 2009 1:48 am ET

Might I add...U.S. taxpayer $$$$ = Israeli bombs

rescind the loan guarantees.

Larry   January 7th, 2009 1:54 am ET

I forgot. They also control your oil and your economy.
Also, I ask the Muslim writers out there why the filthy rich Arab countries of Bahrain, the Emirates and Dubai have not given even a small amount of their fortunes to help the Palestinian people achieve economic freedom ?
Could it be that they are keeping you down and uneducated on purpose ?

Larry   January 7th, 2009 1:56 am ET

A few more facts for those readers actually in history:

1. Nationhood and Jerusalem – Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

4. Arabs have only had control of Israel twice – from 634 until the Crusader invasion in June 1099, and from 1292 until the year 1517 when they were dispelled by the Turks in their conquest.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran. There are vague references to Jerusalem in the Hadiths – stories about Mohammed – that he stopped his night journey (which the Koran explains took place in a dream!) at the "farther mosque" (or "distant place"). Muslims explain that this means "at the edge of the Temple mount", although no direct reference to Jerusalem or the Temple Mount is made.

7. King David established the city of Jerusalem as Israel's capital. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Some Muslims (i.e. those between Israel and Saudi Arabia) pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.

9. Arab and Jewish Refugees – In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.

12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

13. The Arab – Israeli Conflict – The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them with weapons.

15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

16. The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs – Of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.

17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

18. The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.

19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.

20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.

Some more facts:

. During 20 years of Arab rule Palestinian male life expectancy grew from 42 to 44. During the next 20 years of Israeli rule Palestinian male life expectancy grew from 44 to 63.

2. During 20 years of Arab rule Palestinian female life expectancy grew from 45 to 46. During the next 20 years of Israeli rule Palestinian female life expectancy grew from 46 to 67.

3. During 20 years of Arab rule Palestinian infant mortality rate decreased from 200 per thousand to 170 per thousand. During the next 20 years of Israeli rule Palestinian infant mortality rate decreased from 170 per thousand to 60 per thousand.

4. During 20 years of Arab rule Palestinian crude death rate decreased from 21 per thousand to 19 per thousand. During next 20 years of Israeli rule Palestinian infant mortality rate decreased from 19 per thousand to 6 per thousand.

5. Before 1967, when Israel's rule began, only 113 hospitals had been built in the territories. By the time of 1989 Israel had helped establish more than three times that number to 387.

6. Before 1967 only 23 Mother & Child Centers had been established. After 1989 about six times as many could be found. (135)

7. Malaria, which had existed in the territories before 1967 was finally eliminated during the Israeli rule.

8. Israel also more than tripled the number of Palestinian teachers and boosted the Palestinian educational system by establishing a number of universities. Among those universities were the College of Scientists (Abu Dis) – est. 1982, the College of Social Welfare (El Bira) – est. 1979, the College of Religion (Beit Hanina) – est. 1978 and the Islamic College in Hebron- est.1971.

9. This was not the only effect Israeli rule had on the Palestinian education system and the Palestinian people. Before 1967 the percentage of illiterates on average had been 27.8% among men and among women even higher at 65.1%. By 1983 Israel had helped reduce illiteracy to only 13.5% among men and 38.9% among women.

Larry   January 7th, 2009 1:59 am ET

For my Muslim friends, how do explain the following:

What does the Koran say?

People assume that the Koran (Q'aran – Muslim holy scriptures) has anti-Israel passages. While there is no doubt some level of anti-Jewish sentiment in the Koran, there are many passages that are actually in support of a Jewish state of Israel! The following are eleven passages showing the support for a Jewish state in the Muslim holy scriptures.

Sura 2:190

A case could even be made that Israel's victory over the Arabs in the 1948 war was a judgment by Allah against the Arabs for their apostasy in opposing the Zionists. This would be their just reward for transgressing Sura 2:190, which says, "Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities."

Sura 5:21

Moses is quoted as telling the Jews to "enter into the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you". While Mohammed later condemns the Jews for their sins and their refusal to accept his message, he never says that, as punishment, Allah has revoked our title to the Holy Land. Therefore the title still stands, and Muslim anti-Zionists are apostates.

Sura 9:5

“Then when the Sacred Months have passed, kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and observe the Islamic lifestyle, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful.” – Does this sound like a peaceful religion to you?

Sura 10:93-94

“We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling-place...If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee" – In case you had any doubts about whether the Koran talks about the Jews' right to live in the land of Israel.

Sura 16:126
"If ye punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith ye were afflicted." Yet Ariel Sharon's nonviolent, if provocative, visit to the Temple Mount was met with rioting,
including the use of firebombs and AK-47's.

Sura 17:4
"And We [Allah] gave (clear) warning to the children of Israel in the Book, that twice would they do mischief on the earth and be elated with mighty arrogance (and twice would they be punished)!" The succeeding verses tell us that the punishment referred to was banishment from the land. But "twice" means twice, not three times; hence the Jews, having been banished from the land once by the Babylonians and a second time by Rome, will never again be banished from the land. According to the Qur'an, Israel is an eternal nation.

Moreover, "twice would they do mischief on the earth" means twice, not three times; hence the Jews will never again do mischief on the earth. In particular, the Jews cannot bear moral responsibility for the Palestinian refugee problem.

Sura 17:7

The Palestinians deny that there ever was a Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. But Sura 17:7 records the destruction of the First Temple by Babylon and the Second Temple by Rome, and Mohammed never contests the Bible's claim that the Temples were in Jerusalem.

Sura 17:104
The Jews' return from 19 centuries of exile is actually the fulfillment of Islamic prophecy. Sura 17:104 says that 'And we said to the Children of Israel afterwards, "Go live into this land. When the final prophecy comes to pass, we will summon you all in one group."'

Bewildered   January 7th, 2009 2:01 am ET

There is rejoicing, dancing and celebrating in Gaza, whenever Israeli or American (and to a latter extent) British blood is spilled. CELEBRATION !!!!

....they CHOOSE a terrorist organization to be their Govt (the beauty of Democracy)...they must live with the consequences.

Palestinians are fully aware of Hamas' charter.....they support Hamas'charter......one that calls for the eradication of Israel.

If they would spend more time on nation building, and less on festering hate....they would fare much better.

More has been accomplished by Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King, Mahatma Ghandi and other noted men of PEACE, than the Palestinian militants/ warlords will EVER accomplish. Barack Obama is direct evidence of what can be achieved.

If the international community cannot disarm Hamas / Hezbullah, LEAVE ISRAEL alone. If u cannot convicne Hamas to stop firing rockets....let Israel do what they need to. If they cannot send their own soldiers to Gaza to monitor Hamas / Hezbullah, let Israel deal with them as need be. If palestinians choose a terrorist organization to lead them....pity not their calamity...it is their choosing.

Bewildered   January 7th, 2009 2:17 am ET

Reporters ask Israelis' "What do hope to accomplish"?
Well, hmmmmmmmm...what DOES HAMAS hope to accomplish !!!

Reporters say: "The Israeli reaction is not proportional"
So, Israel must either :
a) Build rudimentry rockets and lob into densely populated Gaza. NEWSFLASH....more Palestinians will still die than Jews
b) Let Hamas get sophisticated weaponry, so that hundreds of Jews will die in rocket attacks.

CNN, BBC, Christianne Amanpour and the whole bunch of Jew/Israeli haters are not fooling anyone with their feigned love of Palestinians.

Their foolishly biased reporting is sickening.

On the issue of proportionality, have their ever been a conflict/war, apart from the Israeli/Arab conflict that centered on proportionality?

Get a life !!!

Larry   January 7th, 2009 2:18 am ET

To the Israel bashers and Jew haters out there. Here are just a few of the technological achievements from Israel that you probably use every day. Just what has the Arab world done for you lately (other than bombs, high oil prices, and terror)

* The ZIP compression method (used in ZIP compression, 7z, GIF, PDF and other formats): based on the LZ algorithm by two Israeli researchers: Abraham Lempel and Yaakov Ziv
* The first VoIP application was developed by an Israeli company (VocalTec) in 1994. It was named… iPhone. The company didn’t succeed to lift, but many others benefited from its technological breakthroughs.
* Disk On Key – the small USB-flash storage drive, was invented by M-Systems, an Israeli company founded by Dov Moran. M-Systems was purchased by Sandisk (also an Israeli company, by the way)
* Babylon – translate in a click. The pioneer of this technology, in 1997.
* PHP – the popular server-side programming language was developed by two Israelis.
* ICQ – the first of the hyper-popular instant-messaging application, was developed by Mirabilis, an Israeli start-up which was later purchased by AOL.
* MetaCafe – a popular video-sharing website website that was developed by an Israeli in 2003, long before YouTube.
* Haifa’s Intel development center, has large parts in the development of MMX, Pentium 2, and lately the huge success of the Centrino mobile platform. The Haifa center is currently Intel’s main CPU development house, and most of the currently popular chips (including Core 2) were designed there.
* The term FireWall was coined by an Israeli internet security company – the giant CheckPoint, with their corporate security solution in 1994. Home users are probably more familiar with its ZoneAlarm product.
* The RSA encryption algorithm, which is used almost universally for public-key encryption these days is one-third Israeli, the ‘S’ coming from the surname of Adi Shamir, an Israeli cryptography researcher.
* Israeli companies have strong contributions to early anti-virus technology. In fact, one of the earliest anti-virus products (in 1988!) was made by the Israeli company BRM, which was purchased by Symantec.

* Israel Reinvents the Wheel
Wheelchair climbing up stairs. In the world of high-tech R&D, Israel stands among the giants, constantly challenging the status quo and inventing new technologies that enhance our everyday lives. Imagine a wheelchair that can climb stairs or traverse an uneven patch of pavement. A new type of wheel, designed by two young Israeli entrepreneurs, does just that by turning itself into a tracked-wheel at the touch of a button. Wheelchair accessibility is a challenge in every country, and even with the best intentions, government regulations are not always enforceable. This innovative technological breakthrough is opening new horizons for the disabled.
* Israel Education Aid to the World
The experience gained through the rapid and remarkable growth of the State of Israel is shared with the developing world through unique Israeli programs designed to promote health, education and democracy. Mashav – The Center for International Cooperation in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, is one such program boasting more than 300 courses in 42 countries this past year alone.

Chris   January 7th, 2009 2:23 am ET

Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630
Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240

WAKE UP AND RESCIND THE LOAN GUARANTEES!!!!

Bewildered   January 7th, 2009 2:53 am ET

once upon a time, i hated/loathed Jews, because of their arrogance and the fact that they crucified Jesus Christ.....Prince of Peace....

Then i began reading the Bible....and my heart thawed.

I dislike GREATLY Islamic ideology...i do not dislike Muslims. Their world is one of ignorance, for which they cannot be hated, BUT, they must be held accountable for their actions, inspite of their ignorance.

The wider Western media / world is absolving Palestinians of their complicity in their current quagmire.

Nobody...Sarkozy, Javier, or Ban Ki Moon says a word when Hamas / Hezbullah engage in rocket lobbing. No Palestinian commentators, Ashwari, Erakat and the whole league of Western educated Palestinians say a word. BBC, CNN and the Independent, have nothing to blog about.

When the consequences of a lightweight fighter, jumping into the heavyweight battle becomes obvious, the crowd chants for the referee to stop the fight.

.....then the lightweight jumps right back in.

Either i am crazy, reporters are crazy, i am Jewish (which i am not), or reporters are anti-Israel.....(more like it).

I had to rant about the blatantly lopsided coverage of this conflict.

Hamas like Hezbullah is playing the West for fools.....keep it up.

...my final rant.

james gongz   January 7th, 2009 2:59 am ET

if hammas could it would do the same even worse.

Rudy   January 7th, 2009 3:12 am ET

Because Bush is too shortly leave office, he has ordered the isreali government to strike againist the Palestinian people for a month or so as payback for the economy. He simply hates arabs and may i add muslims, and most of all Iran. This was the only way he could get back at the Islamic people. He is the hitler our world, despite Israeli arrogance and selfishness towards the massacre of children today at the u.n protected school. America is to be blame for this simply the government uses this pathetic country to hurt the arab world. The american government is controlled by jews and has been for the last 60 years. Throughout the suffering of arab peoples, they will prevail they are much more stronger and are much unwilling to give up the land that they have deserved for so long. May God bless the Palestinian people be sure he is watching israel and planning a big punishment for what they have done, its all a test at the moment

Jacques   January 7th, 2009 3:18 am ET

I thought the jewish religeon was based on being righteous, we were all wrong. The world is slowly going to turn agaist them later on, their just proving how selfish they are.

CS   January 7th, 2009 4:11 am ET

BREAKING NEWS JUST IN FROM CNN
GO TO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDBiycEz12s

Curious   January 7th, 2009 5:18 am ET

Why is America not making efforts to stop the War in Palestine instead it is hindering the efforts towards the peace process.
Now the new slogan should be "God destroy America."

bud   January 7th, 2009 5:48 am ET

I have three important questions for all bloggers to answer
Every year America provides billions of dollars of military aid to Israel. Israel uses this aid to further oppress a people who have lost their freedom, property and dignity. Here are the questions
Why is America the only country in the world willing to provide unbridled support to Israel
Why is there not a single AMERICAN POLITICIAN willing to question our unbridled support of Israel
How does America benefit from our unbridled support of Israel other than pleasing a very powerful pro Israeli lobby
I have fought, bled and lost a leg in combat for the country I love. Can someone out there answer my three questions

Curious   January 7th, 2009 5:48 am ET

Why is America not making efforts to stop the War in Palestine instead it is hindering the efforts towards the peace process.Screw the American government

Cthrew   January 7th, 2009 7:02 am ET

All the BBC creeps, Israel bashers, are like vultures around Gaza at the moment.Just listen to their comments and their inquisitions of Israel spokespersons.
Makes you wish the IRA had few Kassams and make London look like a pit.
Just read what the English generals did on the Germany after that and you would think the Israeli Forces are just angels.
Not a kettle, not a pot, what is it.
One thing my friend, most of their rocket lobbing lovers are a worry to those English ladies and boys. No wonder they gang on the poor Israelis. In fact according to them 8 years of rocketing did not do "much damage" as now they say.
The Johnston saga was just a gimmick to help their Hamas friends.
They never did anything against him but Shalit is still there.
So if you judge the BBC by its fariness. Its ZERO.

Hila Israel   January 7th, 2009 7:15 am ET

Larry

You are very right.
As an Israeli, I feel sorry that many people in the world fail to understand that the only thing we really want in Israel is to live in peace. We hate wars, we hate the fact that terrorist organisations are using the innocent palestinian civilians as a shield at time of war rather than helping them find a shelter. See this link which supports this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08GqXMr3YE

If Hammas cares about its people, it should have long ago stopped firing missiles against Israeli citizens. Why is it OK to throw missiles against innocent citizens in Israel? Eight years of suffer of Israelies is not enogh ? what does the world expect us to do? we won't let Hammas control our life in Israel !!!

This war came to stop Hammas from firing missiles. We don't want Gaza, we are not interested in occuping territorries. We only want to have a quiet border !!! Hammas knows it all. But they have long ago decided, like Iran, to make out life hard in Israel. They believe they can occupy Israel, that's their motivation !

I personally think that the palestinians deserve like any human being, to have a good life, to have the best education (currently – their children are educated to become Shahede by fighting Israel). But Hammas is buying missiles instead of providing its people with work places etc. So who is responsible to the suffer of the palestinian people ? the only conclusion is that extremist groups must never control or lead Gaza. This will cause suffering to their people !

Marine   January 7th, 2009 7:33 am ET

Hey Israel You didn't know there was civilians!? Uckin kiddin me. Your days are numbered. In time everything you have done will be hit 10 folds on you. KIdidng me? A School!? A Uckin School!? What possible fire could have came from that small ass building!? KIDDING ME. I cannot wait until your wiped off the Map!

Tal   January 7th, 2009 7:38 am ET

One day will come and all you who believed they crocodile tears of the Hamas who by the way don't really cares about the people of Gaza , in fact he is using them as human shield.

one day you will understand what terror means , you are being fooled over and over again.
Do you think Israel soldiers want to kill Kids? , no they are not i have been a soldier in Israeli army for 7 years never ever this was even considered , actually Israeli soldiers are instructed how to do as much little of hurting of civilians as possible.
But when the terror uses children and women as human shield that is suddenly escape the critics eye all they see is destruction and killing , combined with the disinformation from the Hamas side , never understanding that that was caused by the fact that Hamas terrorists are hiding behind women and children , firing from schools , hospitals, kindergartens and so on.

The Hamas sweet dreams are about alot of women and children killed so that they will use it to their advantage , and spread lies as if Israeli soldiers are killing women and children just for being Palestinians.

Support the terror today it will come on knowing on your door tomorrow.

For conclusion consider your country was at this situation : some of your cities are being bombarded constantly for 8 years by terrorist , women and children are being killed just for belonging to your country .
Would you event consider letting such a situation to go on for 8 years ? , wouldn't just one day be enough.?
Would you even consider peace negotiations wit those terrorists ?, Wouldn't you want your country to do something about it ?

By the way if you so much love the Palestinians, let them into your country , would you like it ? , not event their so called Arab brothers would like to.

Marine   January 7th, 2009 7:44 am ET

Hey Biwildered when i just read your stupid post it made me dumb. You must be the dumbest person alive.

"Then i began reading the Bible….and my heart thawed."

You are one of those idiots that hits himself while he reads the bible. "Remember borat everyone"

Do you even know what Muslim ideology? The real ideology that is? Not the terrorists.

And I want everyone who is posting and who think they know what there talking about. If someone came into your house/land and governed you, bulldozed your house, killed your brother and sister, do you think your going to sit there and take it??? I will be the first as a Marine grab as much rockets i can and fire back at them. WHO has the military might here?!! They do!! who supplied them? Our tax dollars? Israel once again created conflict to the world. and they continue to drag the US into it. And you morons voted for the biggest jews of the world Bush and Cheney who despise anything muslim or religious. As a Marine I did my duty for my country not Bush and the government. All I have to say is they sold there souls to the devil. And that devil is Israel. And thats why Obama is keeping his mouth shut...its becuase he doesn't want to be killed by Congress and the Jew supporters. Hitler was justifed. They came into his country and destroyed it. There will be a time again when God scorns them again. God hates them. CHosen People? HA. Till the day the breathed He hated them. They are the waste of the world. They are the corrupt, they do not know what being human is. They killed Jesus for God's sakes. ANd where on there side!??? WAKE UP PEOPLE. THERE ARE TERRORISTS IN THIS WORLD BECUASE OF ISRAEL AND THATS THAT!

Jimbo   January 7th, 2009 8:07 am ET

Tony Blair, "mediator" on the issues between the AshkeNazi Israelis and the people in the Gaza Ghetto, is the closest thing we have to an actual piece of human shit in the political world today.

Mark Hunter   January 7th, 2009 8:15 am ET

Killing civilians and children is act of cowards and beasts. Israel has many times killed many civilians in Lebanon and Palestine without being truly charged because the UN is hypocrite and the USA is blindly biased. Israel is an illegitimate state that stole a land from its people who have all the rights to defend their land as the Israelis say that they have the rights to defend its own people whose origin is foreign to the sacred land.

Israel will never win the war and they know this very well. This is why they are frantic, particularly, because their state being is counting down.
The Israelis use anti-Semitism as an excuse. Arabs are Semites too and they will never be anti-themselves. There is no one against the Jews who have the all the rights to live a dignified life. The blame is only on Zionists (that has nothing to do with Judaism) who are defaming the Jews and making the world hate them.
The Jews need to take a stand against Zionism and their frantic regime; otherwise, they are going to be blamed for the massacre, exactly as they are blaming the Palestinian for Hammas.

ANTI-ISRAEL   January 7th, 2009 8:46 am ET

Bewildered-

Do yourself and others a favor and shut your dumb ass up!!!! Israelis are murderers!!!! I dont give a damn about the ignorant and heartless others who think otherwise!!!! THERE IS NO ISRAEL...IT'S PALESTINE!!!!

Sam Olayan   January 7th, 2009 8:56 am ET

As a respectable professional news organization, CNN should be reporting the news not taking sides. In today's edition, CNN not only is taking sides with the Israelis, they are actively reporting their fabrications and promoting the lame version of the brave IDF forces in explaining away the latest UN school massacre that killed and mutilated over 100 defenseless Palestinian children. Choosing their words carefully so as not to offend their masters, the editors blamed mortar shells being fired from the vicinity of the school for the Israeli decision to obliterate the children finding refuge in the school. Even when reporting the Israeli bombing of the school, they shyly chose the word "near the school" to insinuate that even that was not intentional. In fact, not a single witness from the civilians in or around the school, nor any UN official at the site reported seeing any Hamas fighters anywhere in the vicinity of the school let alone mortar fire being lobbed at the IDF from within the school. When in fact the IDF had deliberately and directly targeted the school building as they did in the other IDF massacre at Qana in 2006. When in fact the UNRWA had handed over to the IDF only 2 days before the coordinates of all their facilities in GAZA and proclaimed them safe heavens for the defenseless civilian women and children of the Gaza strip. Have you no decency left CNN? And then you dare ask, why do they hate us so? Duh!

J.Lavallee   January 7th, 2009 9:04 am ET

Honestly, I feel great sympathy for the innocent Palestinians. However, they voted in a terrorist organization. Which means, in essence, that they agree with the policies of Hamas. Hamas wants nothing less than the destruction of the Isreali Nation. That's why even before the last "truce" was up, Hamas was firing rockets into Isreal, and after it was up, hundreds of them. How do you really expect Isreal to react. Hamas is trying to kill it's citizens! All Isreal wants is for them to stop the rocket attacks. I think that, not all Palestinians, but those that voted Hamas in, are reaping exactly what they've sown.

Sam Olayan   January 7th, 2009 9:11 am ET

The short end of all these debates is this: Israel will not survive. Israel as we see time and again is an exercise in immorality, racism, and evil, a losing political proposition, and a financial and moral drain on humanity. I know that only a few of the non Zionist Jews share this view, but the world Jewry will do themselves and the world a favor and save themselves and future victims of the IDF in the process if they come to that inevitable conclusion sooner rather than later.

Sevda   January 7th, 2009 9:31 am ET

İsrael is a terorist country.
İsrail killing childrens and womens.
İf you don't know this please watch other news channel or web site.
İf you look,you'll see photos which killed childrens.
we're crying,we're very sorry.
This childrens are like angels but they are killed.
I hate israel,ı hate who love israel!
they have not medicine,they have not food,they have not doctor in Gaza.
Because israel is not to let have to them.

Panama216   January 7th, 2009 9:42 am ET

Whew!! Larry that was A LOT of stuff that you posted. But I didn't see anything in your posts of the Jewish assassination of a Swedish envoy who had witnessed the massacres and displacements first hand and was prepared to present his findings to the UN,one Count Bernotte if I'm not mistaken. In fact,there were a number of assassinations and bombings by the illegal immigrants who founded Israel weren't there? Yet you still attempt to take the readers eye off of the queen with your literary three card monty game.

The life expectancy rates increasing is a phenomenon that can be seen anywhere in the world where there is running water and electricity and has nothing to do with the new illegal state of Israel being some kind of godsend.

Dear Final Redemption: I saw your post regarding an AK-47 and my answer contains a number of responses. Number one,unlike the cowards who are now hiding behind tanks,bombers and helicopters,my former military training taught me to adhere to the rules of the geneva convention and not some edict from the Torah,and I would also like to know with such a silly question,how old are you? You and Larry refuse to accept the fact that had Israel not been created,there would have never been a Hamas,which is an attestation to that tried and true formula of violence begetting violence.

And those ridiculously long winded posts put up by Mr Redemption and Mr Larry are feeble attempts to justify the evil we know as Israel and to convince themselves that there is some kind of justification for what those animals are doing to the Palestinian people right now. You have been exposed as has Israel,and there is only one logical conclusion regarding this travesty. If you don't believe it,take a look at Apartheid,take a look at the Berlin wall,take a look at every colonial empire that has ever stood.

Panama216   January 7th, 2009 9:50 am ET

This is the other side of that coin that Mr Redemption and Larry are tossing around with reckless abandon lol. Seems that the Jews and illegal Europeans are not so peace loving after all. We see you Mr Redemption,we see you Mr Larry. Al Nakba

http://tinyurl.com/6vmrk6

Peter   January 7th, 2009 9:50 am ET

I wonder, how stupid the lebenese people really are.
Don't they see, that the HAMAS is the reason for that is happening right now?
The lebanese people should report the HAMAS-members to the Israeli army all around the Middle East!!

Final Redemption   January 7th, 2009 10:01 am ET

Larry and Bewildered,

Your words are falling on deaf ears and blind eyes. We're not going to change anything in here. We know they can see the facts and the truth.

There is however a certain sense of satisfaction knowing that they are always on the back foot in here just as they are on the battlefield.

Baruch Otay Hashem Elokeinu Melech Haolam Ozaar Yisrael Bigvura

Baruch Otay Hashem Elokeinu Melech Haolam Oteyer Yisrael B'sifara

Panama216   January 7th, 2009 10:21 am ET

I just saw a very poingnant interview of a young Israeli film student in Sderdot(sp) and when she was asked about the bottle rocket that landed not far from her,she said,"I've got alarms and a place to go,the Palestinians don't have that." Mr Redemption,men who support the wanton massacre of men women and chiildren,men who support firing cluster bombs in densely populated areas,men who support missile being launched from six miles away,are not brave warriors,those are cowards.

There are elections coming up and the leaders who are vyying for the top slot need to appear to be strong after the embarrassing defeat at the hands of Hezbollah. As for people fighting on their back foot. Imagine if these people were equally armed,what would it be like then. Israeli soldiers were sent scurrying back to Israel with their tails between their legs after confronting a few guys with RPG's. They're not so tough. Fighting on the back foot indeed.

I think that once the older generations of Israelis and illegal European immigrants begin to die off,things will get better. I've witnessed that the younger generations of Israelis just want to be like everybody else and are not blinded by some ridiculous Hatfield v McCoy Torah passage from 3000 b.c. Al Nakba

valkyrie22   January 7th, 2009 10:31 am ET

Divest from the Israeli war Criminal machine. go to boycottisraeligoods.org

Final Redemption   January 7th, 2009 10:35 am ET

CS, If such obviously biased and ridiculously chldish reporting is the basis of your argument then I'm afraid it only strengthens my point of view, as should it with anyone, even if thay have only a very basic intelligence.

Final Redemption   January 7th, 2009 10:36 am ET

CS, If such obviously biased and ridiculously chldish reporting is the basis of your argument then I'm afraid it only strengthens my point of view, as should it with anyone, even if they have only a very basic intelligence.

Final Redemption   January 7th, 2009 10:38 am ET

Sorry about the typo.

Whaddeva   January 7th, 2009 10:40 am ET

To Mr Larry
All what are you trying to do is to justify bloodshed.
Killer is killer no matter what excuse is used, so killings in Gaza are just blunt killings and there you go. Spare us of your historic facts and technological Israeli achievements. Israeli army is killing innocent civilians. End of story.

CS   January 7th, 2009 11:53 am ET

So Redemption, so you're telling me that when CNN, FOX, and all the other networks told you that Gaza broke the cease fire...you did'nt beleive them.
If the reporting is so biased, and rediculously childish..then why are you on CNN'S site. The truth is that you're a primate. You are unable to process information and make a rational conclusion for yourself. You turn on the TV, it tells you Hamas attacked Israel for no good reason, and you beleive them. I, and other reasonable folks looked at the matter, and researched a little, and found that Israel probably is'nt innocent, based on their prior activities in the region. But ol' RAIN MAN here blindly believes whatever the TV tells him.
The TV is officially an idiot box. TV certainly does rot the brains. I suggest you keep as far away from it as possible.

Panama216   January 7th, 2009 12:32 pm ET

CS,what Mr Redemption and others like him are exhibiting is blind faith. Anyone who opposses Israel is a Jew hating anti semite who would kill a room full of Israelis,if they had an AK-47. I see this as projection because no one in their right minds can justify what's been happening to the Palestinians for the past 60 years. The reason why Mr Redemption and others ignored the post about Itzhak Rabin being the last hope for real peace in the region is because he was assassinated by one of his own,just like anyone else who got in the way of the zionist agenda has been.

They speak of being under constant attack by rockets but have ignored the fact that during the cease fire,Israel had continued to carry out targeted killings of members of Hamas,but they want to talk about some radical islamists in Indonesia instead. They will not accept the fact that the sole reason for the existence of Hamas and those rockets is the creation of Israel on land that was stolen,and the perpetuation of this agregious injustice has been made possible by America.

Billions upon billions of dollars have been lavished upon Tel Aviv which has allowed them to build their illegal settlements and buy their Blackhawks,Apaches,and F-16s. It is my opinion that they will try to thwart Irans nuclear ambitions and that is when their problems shall multiply exponentially. And a little indicator of the worlds displeasure at what Israel is doing now,their produce at the market where I do my shopping usually winds up rotting since no one wants to willingly participate in funding the illegal state and her war machine.

Hila Israel   January 7th, 2009 1:17 pm ET

Marine

If you search for the information, you will learn that there was a group of Hammas in that school firing missiles towards Israel. In addition you will learn that there was no information available to Israel confirming the presence of the innocent civilians there. Every point in Gaza from which missiles are fired will be destructed. Again Hammas used civilians for doing evil things!!!
Hammas sees the peace as its enemy !!! NOT ISRAEL !!!

You can believe it or not – the only thing I can hear from you is haterad. You sound exactly like those extreme pepole who wish to hate for the sake of nothing.
It is pitty that this is how you feel. Your reaction for sure will not and cannot lead to any understanding between Israel and the Palestinians.

LARRY   January 7th, 2009 1:21 pm ET

Panama, or whatever your Arab name really is, settlements and armies are not illegal. Every country has one, including Jordan, Saudi Arabia, LYbia, Iraq, IRan and Egypt. Just because you call them illegal does not make it so. Your own prophet gave this land to the Jewish people. Do you now reject the words of the Prophet?

Let me educate you once again with a recent history example. In World War II, Japan attacked the US in an unprovoked attack on civilians. Japan believed it was right in attacking the US. The US retaliated in a conventional war. JApan did not back down but sent suicide bombers to kill US service military personnel. When it became obvious that Japan was bent upon destroying the US way of life, America reacted with disproportionate force upon the Japanese people, sadly killing tens of thousands of Japanese civilians. Japan surrendered unconditionally. A condition of the surrender was that Japan not have a standing military. (The same happened to Germany. When Germany blitzkrieged England killing it's citizens, England responded with disproportionate force)

Today, 60 years later, Japan is our good friend and trading partner.
Historians may argue that America overreacted, but the fact is that the war ended and Japan ended it's campaign against the US. The same will happen to Hamas, Iran, El Queda, HEzbollah, Fatah, the ISlamic BRotherhood, and every other lunatic group you throw at the world. Civilized society always triumphs. People like you and your fanatics are destined for extinction.

The moral of the story:
War is not a picnic. You lunatics that want to martyr yourselves and your children are an anomaly in a civilized world. When a country (ISrael) is under attack by another country (PAlestine) who is bent upon the destruction of that country and the death of it's people, the country has a moral and legal imperative to defend itself, even with the use of "disproportionate force." Only when Hamas surrenders unconditionally and disarms, will there even be a chance for a bright future for your people.

Your religious leaders are using you as their soldiers. While they sit in their palaces and Midrassas, you are dying. Wake up. Israel can never be destroyed and the Jews can never be destroyed. Every major religion so states. Judaism gives all of Israel to the Jews. Christianity gives all of Israel to the Jews. Even the Prophet MUhammad gives all of Israel to the Jews.
WHAT ARE YOU LUNATICS DOING? START ACTING LIKE CIVILIZED HUMAN BEINGS!

LARRY   January 7th, 2009 1:28 pm ET

Panama,
Have you asked yourself how Israel became a world power in only 60 years, while your formerly great Arab nation is now foundering on the brink of collapse. Every Arab country is fighting for survival- not from Israel, but from ISlamic fanatics like you and your ilk.
You will destroy yourselves. Like you blow each other up in your Mosques and markets in Iraq. Your diseased minds will cause you to self destruct and implode.
Stop hating everything that is not Muslim. You cannot survive in this world blindly hating everyone.

Have you asked yourselves where the billions of dollars thrown at Arafat went.

amir   January 7th, 2009 2:11 pm ET

Israel israel israel!!!

Isn't it ironic that what Hitler did to them they are doing the same to Arabs...this Justifies the action of Hitler I suppose, otherwise this Jews would have done the same to German people, and besides then whats the difference between Hitler's Nazis's and the present days Jews? The one who suffer's and knows the pain of brutality, will never inflict the same to other's.

CS   January 7th, 2009 2:39 pm ET

Larry. I agree with Panama, and I am a home grown American. I am just not a brainwashed one.

CS   January 7th, 2009 2:45 pm ET

Hila Israel. Do you choose to deny what CNN has confirmed as a breach of cease fire by Israel in November of 08"?

Do you choose to deny that Israel surrounde Gaza by sea, and blocked any food, water, or medical supplies to Gaza?

I swear, it's like talking to a wall. All I've been hearing since the news broke is how bias CNN is. This is the first thing that CNN has said that was correct since the start of this thin. Up until now, they were talking about how Hamas attacked Israel, and that's why Israel resonds so heavily. Now we know the truth though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDBiycEz12s

gads   January 7th, 2009 3:35 pm ET

i think its a good think what israel is doing. if u look at all the problems in the world its always middle easterns. its a fact in denial, they are the terrorists. always have some problem to start a war or chaos over. they dont mind starting problems like shooting rockets however will only complain at the results of it, such as israel fighting back. they treat their women like dogs and teach their kids to hate the west. on top of that they love to migrate to teh west. so why do they complain so much and cause problems around the world?? they are no good.

Natasya   January 7th, 2009 4:35 pm ET

killing women and children is sick, inhuman and coward!!...no matter who's fault is! So stop argue and start make some peace movements!! (if u still care for this world...).

Michelle   January 7th, 2009 4:38 pm ET

I don't get this world...I tought we should make this world..the only world, to be a better place...

Barry   January 7th, 2009 4:42 pm ET

This side : boys and girls went to the mall to buy nice things.
That side : boys and girls being killed in Gaza.
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God, please help us all...amien...

Hila Israel   January 7th, 2009 5:08 pm ET

CS and others

I don't wish to deny anything. What I claim is simple:

1. For the last 8 years southern cities have been bombardened by Hammas missiles. The missiles where shot TO KILL ISRAELI CIVILLIANS !!! it was not against the Israeli army.
I live in the north of Israel and suffered the Hizbulla missiles 2 years ago. This is a terrible situation. This is a disaster. One cannot live under such attacks, every few minutes there is this sirene and then you should run to look for a safe place to hide, and then you hear the "boom" and say thanks to god that you are still alive. Whatever you do and where ever you go – you pray that missiles won't be shot. It is hell.

2. Who are the suicidal bombers? Are they Israeli Jews ? Are they Arabic extremists ?

3. Who are doing evil all over the world, to remind the twin buildings in the US, the last terrorist actions in India, and many many other events !!!

Hammas intentions, as well as Iran's, is to occupy our land. If you think they will stop after the agreement for a cease fire is reached – you are terribly wrong. I'm sorry for you and others, who hate us so much, because you believe what you want to believe, and not see the simple facts !

Panama216   January 7th, 2009 5:36 pm ET

So now hamas has missiles!! I'm sorry but the glowsticks that you see coming from the bottoms of Israelis warplanes and helicopters are missiles,and when your kill ratio is 10 Palestinians for every Israeli killed,there is no argument. Hamas does this and hamas does that,right I've got it. The fact remains that the reason for the existence of hamas is the creation of the illegal state of Israel. Larry,I'm sorry but your slights of hand and foolish rhetoric regarding my "Arab" name is nothing more than trickery designed to distract rather than inform.

Your nauseatingly long posts speak of everything except,illegal aliens from Europe taking Palestinian land and embarking upon six decades of killings and terror all in the name of your religion. You're a bunch of hypocrites when you talk about radical Islam or any other religion which you deem based on violence. And for a people that want peace,the weapons stockpile that you have is very impressive. Again for every Israeli who is killed,there are 10 Palestinians who die,and we won't even go into homes that are destroyed or anything else.

Hila Israel   January 7th, 2009 7:08 pm ET

CS and others:

War is bad. I feel sorry for the innocent civilians who get killed, but not for the terrorists who get killed.
This war comes to stop the missiles towards Israel. No one in my country (it is the State of Israel not a terrorist organisation) wishes to kill innocent people. Unfortunately, it might happen and it happens, especially when the terrorists are hiding among civilians. But there is no intention behind it, and this is the big difference. Of course, for the dead people it does not matter anymore – they are dead.
{By the way – many injured palestinians are getting treatment in Israeli hospitals by the best Israeli doctors. Did you know that ?! }
Hammas however is proving again and again, that no differece exists between fighting a state and fighting civilians. For them – Israel should diminish from the world.

To summarise: it is a bit difficult to convince you people, since you don't live here. Israel is surrounded by Arab nations – some of which are our friends – Ejypt, Jordan. They chose the peace way. They chose the right way. Can Hammas accept peace ? I wish it could.

Panama216   January 7th, 2009 7:40 pm ET

Dear Hilla,

During the last cease fire,did Israel not continue with targeted killings of individuals whom they deemed as threats? How many helicopter missile strikes occurred during the cease fire? And it appears as though you're convinced that your government doesn't target civilians. With a kill rate of 10:1 that is 10 Palestinians for every Israeli killed,can you honestly continue to claim that civilians are not targeted? the difference is that Hamas will honestly say that all Israelis are potential targets,whereas your government calls the dead civilians collateral damage or unintentional targets.

When you see what took place in Lebanon and what is taking place in Gaza how can you accept the excuses from your government? Roughly ten Israelis have died during this current crisis with the majority being military and no children. Over 50 times as many Palestinians have been killed with children and women being tossed in as well for good measure. I'm sorry but the world does not share Israels sense of victimization on this one. As for the injured Palestinian getting treatment in Israeli hosptials well that's an easy one. If you disallow to flow of aid into Palestine and you're the ones hurting these innocent people,don't you think that attempting to fix what you're breaking is the right thing to do?

s. Daniel   January 7th, 2009 7:43 pm ET

For decades I have noticed the bias of the Muslim world. They shout, scream, and yell whenever Israel response to thousand of rocket attacks. In my opinion, in the Muslim worlds they are encouraging terrorist to continue their acts, every time the country that was attacked react, the all gang over that country. Where are these people when the Hamas and other terror organization did what they did? Do you know, there are no single Muslim protests against the Muslim extremist till today in regard to 911? This is the problem; until the Muslim says stop and face the fact that there are dangerous people among them, Israel and other countries who were attached has the responsibility to strike back.

Jacques   January 7th, 2009 8:03 pm ET

Shame on you israel Europe will not side with your massacre killings! Europe will turn against you!

Final Redemption   January 7th, 2009 8:43 pm ET

Um, Jacques, that's because Europe is all Muslim now.

Panama216   January 7th, 2009 9:03 pm ET

Okay,now we have thousands of rocket attacks and again with the 9-11 business. And perhaps if it were a muslim country that annexed another country and then commenced with the business of systematic killings and terror,you just might see protests. There are dangerous people amongst the Muslims yet it was an Israeli who assassinated Itzhak Rabin. Israelis don't should and scream yet have to be dragged kicking and screaming from illegal settlements. And of course we still have Mr Redemption and his insightful/intelligent rhetoric.

Mr Redemption,I suppose when you say that Europe is all Muslim now,that is your weak attempt at being facetious? That's funny. And wouldn't it be something if Muslim countries did in fact all band together against their oppressors,instead of letting them use their airspace,haul supplies over their roads,give them their oil. How long would Israel last without the help of those Muslim states? Oh I know,they could fly the Jets and run the tanks on the tons of ecstacy that is produced there!!

T   January 7th, 2009 9:05 pm ET

The Israelis fire missles directly at the Hamas terrorist, while Hamas fires missles into random locations throughout Israel. Why did Hamas not fire missles at the IDF while they were lined up on the Gaza border preparing for a ground assault? No, they whould rather target civilians. If every Hamas member has to die for peace to be accomplished then kill them all!

Final Redemption   January 7th, 2009 9:09 pm ET

Think back "Mr I Have All The Facts At My Fingertips".
They did all band together.....and were still beaten.
And by a country with an excuse for an army.
Stop clutching at straws you pathetic fool!!!

Asma   January 7th, 2009 9:10 pm ET

What's the point....even if reporters are allowed inside, the news we see in the west does not do justice to the real facts, these media channels are controlled by those who are pro-israeli bombing, it is clear when you turn on CNN, you see so much coverage of one israeli death they go into the whole personal story, whereas the palestinian massacres are not even shown, they show a quick clip of palestinians mourning and that's it! This is not fair, are Palestinians considered less humans? Please someone answer me? we are seeing 911 over and over again. God forbid if I dare to call this a holocaust, I will inflame some jews, nothing can compare to their holocaust right?!

Panama216   January 7th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

I'm sorry you silly man but you're wrong. Just how many Arab countries in that region do you think there are? Oh tsk tsk,did they not teach you that in school? Does you inability to fool me bother you Mr Redemption? are you going to make yet another silly quip like "What would you do with an AK47? Do you remember Itzhak Rabin? Do you remember just how close he came to real peace with Yasser Arafat? And it was the hate mongering Arabs who assassinated him right? Oh I'm sorry,wrong story,it was a hate mongering right winged Israeli who did. Hey did you know that some of the earliest founders of Israel were admirers of Mussolini. Wow,fascists who admired fascists. I'm not surprised.

I.B. Wright   January 7th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

Can someone explain why the whole civilized world is pushing for a ceasfire to stop the insanity that is occuring in Gaza strip, everyone except for Israel and the U.S. that is? It is because they are war mongers or is it because they want to get rid of as many Palestinians as possible before world public opinion forces them to stop. Would they feel the same way about a ceasefire if Hammas was killing or injuring thousands of Jewish women and children ? By the way, I agree with the a previous poster who suggested that one Jewish eye must be worth 10 Palestinian eyes by Israeli standards.

What's really troubling is the fact that the current born-again Christain U.S. president can be so callous and numb as to sit there on the sidelines cheering the Israelies on while they bomb schools, mosques and anything else that houses innocent women and children. No amount of propaganda from representative of Israel or their supporters can camouflage what people are seeing with their own eyes i.e. the deliberate bombing of facilities containing innocent women and children. It becomes even more distasteful listening to those who try and justify it.

Panama216   January 7th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

It's funny that in NYC,some of the biggest drug dealers are the Hasidic Jews,no kidding. They get their shipments of Ecstacy from Israel,and the kids on the nightclub circuit gobble it up like skittles,lol. Columbia has it's cocaine to support it's budgets,and Israel has it's ecstacy and blood diamonds.

abdul   January 7th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

Final redemption and Larry

Here is some info for your enlightning. Can you tell me why jews have been expulled so many times over 2000years from across the world.

May be becasue they have been acting like........... what they are doing now????I have not read about any other race humiliated so much. And let me fill in with your answer " jews were innocent and they did nothing wrong""

135 B.C
Antiochus Epiphanes desecrates Second Jewish Temple; leading to Hasmonean Revolt against Rome.

70 A.D.
Titus took Jerusalem – second revolt. Over one million Jews killed.

136 A.D.
580,000 men destroyed, 985 towns destroyed – third revolt.

300 A.D.
Purim festival celebrating God's deliverance to Mordecai and the Jews through Esther and the fasting. Lies spread that Jews kill Christians for sacrifice. Emperor Severus also said the Jews purchased 90,000 Christians to kill them.

306 A.D.
Council in Spain banned Christians & Jews meeting or marrying.

325 A.D.
Constantine changed the celebration of Easter on the calendar so that it did not coincide with the Jewish Passover.

379 A.D.
Vicious writing by St. John Chrysostom and St. Ambrose in Milan who said: "The Jews are the most worthless of all men. They are lecherous, greedy, rapacious. They are perfidious murderers of Christ. They worship the Devil. Their religion is a sickness. The Jews are the odious assassins of Christ and for killing God there is no expiation possible, no indulgence or pardon. Christians may never cease vengeance, and the Jew must live in servitude forever. God always hated the Jews. It is essential that all Christians hate them." He was called the Bishop with the Golden Tongue. St. Ambrose, Bishop of the Church offered to burn the synagogue himself.

395 A.D.
St. Gregory of Nyssa in sermons and writings characterized Jews as assassins of the Prophets, companions of the Devil, a race of vipers, a Sanhedrin of Demons, enemies of all that is beautiful, hogs and goats in their lewd grossness.

415 A.D.
Bishop Severus BURNED THE SYNAGOGUE IN THE VILLAGE OF MAGONA. BISHOP OF
ALEXANDRIA, ST. CYRIL EXPELLED JEWS FROM ALEXANDRIA AND GAVE THE MOB JEWISH PROPERTY.
ACCUSATION of Ritual murder by the Jews during Purim. Christians confiscated synagogues in ANTIOCH.
These were not hooligans but Church Fathers!
AUGUSTINE, JEROME, AMBROSE AND LESSER SAINTS AS ST. CHRYSOSTROM AND CYRIL, added to untruths the new ones that Jews were dishonest and prone to sexual perversions.

717 A.D.
Jews had to wear special yellow garb. Originated in Islam.

1012 A.D.
Emperor Henry II of Germany expels Jews from Mainz, the beginning of persecutions against Jews in Germany.

1096 A.D.
First Crusade. Crusaders massacre the Jews of the Rhineland.

1144 A.D.
First recorded blood libel. In Norwich it was alleged that the Jews had "bought a Christian child before Easter, tortured him with all the tortures wherewith our Lord was tortured and on Friday hanged him on a rood in hatred of our Lord." (England)
This notorious allegation that Jews murder non-Jews, especially Christians, in order to obtain blood for the Passover or other rituals is a complex of deliberate lies, trumped up accusations, and popular beliefs about the murder-lust of the Jews and their blood-thirstiness, based on the conception that Jews hate Christianity and mankind in general. It is combined with the delusion that Jews are in some way not human and must have recourse to special remedies and subterfuges in order to appear at least outwardly, like other men. The blood libel led to trials and massacres of Jews. Its origin is rooted in ancient almost primordial, concepts concerning the potency and energies of blood. It is one of the most terrible expressions of human cruelty and credulity. These blood rituals are expressly forbidden in Judaism. (See Leviticus 17;11 etc.)

1190 A.D.
Massacre of Jews in England.

1215 A.D.
The Jewish badge introduced.

1240 A.D.
Talmud burned in France.

1290 A.D.
Jews expelled from England.

1298 A.D.
Massacre of thousands in Germany, in 146 localities.

1306 A.D.
Expulsion from France.

1348 A.D.
JEWS blamed for the BLACK DEATH. Charge laid to the Jews that they POISONED the wells to kill CHRISTIANS.

1389 A.D.
MASSACRES in Bohemia, Spain.

1421 A.D.
270 JEWS BURNED AT THE STAKE. In the 14th and 15th centuries the Inquisition was more intense because the Church and State joined forces. Just being Jewish guaranteed persecution

1480 A.D.
Inquisition in Spain – Jews and Christians burned at the stake.

1483 A.D.
EXPULSIONS from Warsaw, Sicily, Lithuania, Portugal.

1492 A.D.
ALL JEWS EXPELLED FROM SPAIN.

1506 A.D.
Murders in Lisbon – 4000, "conversos", men, women, and children thrown from windows to street mobs below, due to preaching by Dominicans against the Jews.

1510 A.D.
EXPELLED from Brandenburg, Germany.

1516 A.D.
Venice initiates the ghetto, the first in Christian Europe.

1544 A.D.
The Reformation. At the end of Martin Luther's life the German reformer vilified the Jews in violent pamphlets which could not fail to exert their influence. But because Calvinists were steeped in Old Testament theology, the Dutch people respected the Jews as "the Chosen" people; and were not anti-Semitic in their faith. The reformation was a time of turmoil as the Roman Church and feudalism lost their supremacy. There was a rising up of Nationhood and Luther was a German nationalist. The Talmud was seized and burned everywhere by Papal authority. Jews in Catholic countries and Polish Jews suffered greatly. Luther's anti-Semitic writings were later used in anti-Semitic literature.

1553 A.D.
Rome seized and burned the Talmud by order of the POPE.

1559 A.D.
12,000 copies of Talmud burned in Milan.

1569 A.D.
POPE PIUS V ordered all Jews out of the Papal states.

1593 A.D.
EXPULSIONS from Italy and Bavaria.

1598 A.D.
Ritual murder charge that sent three Jews to their deaths. Execution of the supposed guilty was done by QUARTERING. (In his book the "Birth of the Prison" Michel Foucault describes at length the quartering of a condemned man in 1757. It was done eventually by six horses instead of the four original ones and other means had to come in to play due to the failure even of six horses as the prisoners limbs were tied to ropes harnessed to the horses. Each horse pulled in a different direction. One horse fell to the ground unsuccessfully. Knives had to be used for severing...)

1614 A.D.
JEWS attacked and driven out of Frankfurt, Germany.

1624 A.D.
GHETTO established in Ferrara, Italy.

1648 A.D.
Leader of the Cossacks, in the Ukraine massacres 100,000 Jews and destroyed 300 communities.

1655 A.D.
Massacres of Jews in war against Sweden & Russia by Poland.

1715 A.D.
POPE PIUS VI issues edict against Jews.

1768 A.D.
20,000 Jews in Poland killed.

1805 A.D.
MASSACRE of Jews in Algeria.

1840 A.D.
BLOOD LIBEL in DAMASCUS.

1853 A.D.
BLOOD LIBEL in RUSSIA.

1858 A.D.
THE MORTARA CASE: Catholics abduct a 7 yr. old Jewish child. A Catholic servant baptized a Jewish child when the child was seriously ill and the church of Rome seized the child. Outcry had no effect on the POPE.

1879 A.D.
Word anti-Semitism comes into existence.

1881 A.D.
POGROMS BEGAN. The word is of Russian origin. It designates attack, accompanied by destruction, looting of property, murder, rape. There were three major outbreaks in Russia. The word designates more particularly the attacks carried out by the Christian population. Each pogrom surpassed the other in savagery.
KIEV, ODESSA; Here murder of whole families was a common occurrence. Partial data are available for 530 communities in which 887 major pogroms and 349 minor pogroms occurred. There were 60,000 dead and several times that many were wounded.

1882 A.D.
FIRST ANTI-JEWISH CONGRESS HELD. In Dresden, Germany.

1894 A.D.
ALFRED DREYFUS TRIAL in France. Details follow further on in this summary.

1903 A.D.
APPEARANCE of a new issue of the PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION. In Russia.
This spectre of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy aiming at reducing the Gentiles to slavery or extermination loomed up in the medieval Christian imagination and grew out of legends about well poisonings and plague spreading. It was concocted in Paris by an unknown author working for the Russian secret police. It was an alleged conference of the leaders of World Jewry. It was translated into all the world languages. In 1963 a Spanish edition was published. During World War II, the Protocols of the elders of Zion became an implicit justification for the GENOCIDE of the Jews and Nazi propaganda relied on them until the last days of the Third Reich. Smaller pamphlets of it have been distributed in B.C. 1983 published in California... Required reading in most Arab countries, in schools, to this day.

1905 A.D.
Russian pogroms continue. Also in Morocco, Ukraine, 300 dead.

1919 A.D.
3000 Jews killed in Hungarian pogroms.

1920 A.D.
Appearance of ADOLPH HITLER. Also Henry Ford the 1st believes the Protocols; and publishes anti-Jewish articles in his newspaper, the Dearborn Independent.

1925 A.D.
MEIN KAMPH appears. Hitler's Plan published in Germany.

1933 A.D.
HITLER appointed chancellor in Germany.

1935 A.D.
Hitler writes his Nuremberg Laws which lead to his Final Solution.

1938 A.D.
Burning in AUSTRIA & GERMANY of Synagogues. Jews sent to concentration camps. Beginnings of the Holocaust.

1939 A.D.
Germany overruns Poland.

1940 A.D.
Gassing, shootings in Polish Ghettos (Jewish).

1941 A.D.
EXPULSION of Jews from the German Reich to Poland. Riots against Jews in Iraq.

1942 A.D.
Mass transports of Jews to Belgium & Holland.

1944 A.D.
EXTERMINATION OF HUNGARIAN JEWS.

1945 A.D.
HOLOCAUST Final Count: 6,000,000 Jews slaughtered.

1946 A.D.
Pogroms in Poland – 42 Jews murdered.

1948 A.D.
BIRTH OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL. Also Jewish intellectuals shot in Russia.

1952 A.D.
Jews murdered byCommunists, and others disappear. Prague trials. Murder of Yiddish intellectuals in Russia and many sent to work camps..

1956 A.D.
Jews expelled out of EGYPT.

1967 A.D.
SIX DAY WAR. Also new publication of Elders of Zion in Arabic.

1968 A.D.
Emigration of last remaining Jews in Poland.

1969 A.D.
JEWS EXECUTED IN IRAQ.

1970 A.D.
Beginning of imprisonment in Russia of PRISONERS OF CONSCIENCE. ("Refuseniks")

1980 A.D.
Russian imprisonments carry on throughout the 70's to the 80's.

1982 A.D.
War in Lebanon begins after many years of terrorist attacks against the Jews in the Upper Galilee area from the vantage point of Beaufort Castle. Many Lebanese killed over long period of time, but was ignored by the News Media. War in Lebanon gets slanted coverage.

1983 A.D.
Word from Christians in Israel that the PLO planned their next battleground to be Canada via Quebec. Documented proof that Russia planned in 1982 to attack Israel.

Final Redemption   January 7th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

Abdul, I'm confused. Are you for the Jews or against the Jews?
Did you actually take the time to read what you posted or was it easier to merely just cut and paste.
After reading that I am even more proud to be Jewish. Can you not tell from your own post that the Jews cannot be destroyed?

Take a good look at our history and answer me this, why do the Jews not have a right to a land of their own? Why are the Jews the only people who are denied a right to self preservation and existence in a country of their own? I'm not sure what your intetion was Mr Abdul, but what you have highlighted is why the Jews have to fight and defend their land with everything they have.
All the world including America is going to unite against the Jews. It has been prophesized. But you know what else the prophecies say?
We even come out of that the victors! And when we do, those who survive can go back to what they know best, camel scrubbing.

Panama216   January 7th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

Oh Jeeze,Ghosts and Goblins,Lions and Tigers and Bears Oh Myyyyy. Well,when Israel does things like attack the USS Liberty,and spy on it's benefactor and bleed the coffers dry with the hands that are constantly extended,what should the U.S. do? Israel knows who to pick fights with in the ME and who not to mess with in the ME,and I'm just dying to see them pick a fight with Iran.

The illegal Europeans did have homelands,all in Europe,and those who were in the Middle east were Arabs who practiced Judaism and had no rights to a homeland because of the faith that they practiced. They were terrorists and assassins,and will never know peace so long as they continue doing what they are doing right now. Like I said,Israeli produce is rotting in the aisles at my local supermarket. And you being proud to be Jewish is like someone being proud to be Catholic,and that's a sad testament to just how limited and small you are. Tell me Mr Redemption,how did Itzhak Rabins death at the hands of a fellow Israeli/Jew affect you?

Final Redemption   January 7th, 2009 11:35 pm ET

Maybe you should send the rotting fruit to Gaza? You know there a people starving there.

I did not know "Itzhak Rabin" personally so I must admit I was not affected too badly.

Panama216   January 7th, 2009 11:54 pm ET

That's what I suspected. You are one of the older followers of Judaism who is more part of the problem than you are a part of any solution,and here you have a man who had the ability to bring peace and was cut down by a right wing Jewish fascist and your take on this event is indifference. Olmert says that Israelis should prepare for long days ahead with this war? sure thing let it wage for months,I see how the tough Israelis aren't really sending their soldiers into the streets of Gaza,rather bombing and hitting from a distance. Yeah,so brave lol. And this is what you're proud to be a part of,along with the killing of women and children,and the missile strikes on UN schools. Israel shall get what she deserves but I hope that it's the ignorant Israelis who pay and not the innocent.

Cthrew   January 8th, 2009 2:20 am ET

To these islamics there:
I have a puzzle to be clarified.
Please enlighten me.

Now that 40 or whatever virgins from the so called school in Gaza (I personally think IDF has failed there: ONLY 40 ? ) have been grassed UP (you know, uplifted) to meet their 77 Binladens, would there not be a bit of a problem to satisfy all of them at this point?
Is it not a bit of a bottlenecking because Osama is still around and there may be a bit of waiting.
Also because Hamas say that IDF job was futile and so its terrorist gang is still complete and strong which means not much of them available "UPSTAIRS", there may be cobwebs too.
I am pretty good in Stats but my figures get tricky and I am worried I cannot determine the waiting time co-efficient to the nearest decimal @ the moment.
Anyone there smart enough ?

Terk   January 8th, 2009 6:45 am ET

"A friend of mine sent a comment to this blog and was rejected by the CNN people because he was telling the truth about CNN.
They are censoring this blog in favor of Hamas because that is what all liberal media do.
Just pathetic

Go watch FoxNews and be really informed people – boycott CNN"

Sure, as soon as you can show us one news report showing a balanced opinion of both sides. You demand a boycott of CNN as it is biased towards Hamas (or maybe it's just natural to have sympathy for the defenceless victims of genocide), when Fox News is biased towards the Israelli agenda.

So let me get this straight...
Drop one biased network for another biased network because you prefer their shade of rose tinted glasses?

If CNN is biased in the reporting of this conflict, then so is most of the world considering the world's sympathy lies with the poor innocents of Gaza.

Sahar A.   January 8th, 2009 6:57 am ET

Israel wants the world to fall into the trap of believing that whats happening in Gaza started with Hamas a couple of years ago.

People wake up! The entire Arab-Israeli conflict dates back to 1948 when a bunch of Zionists(later calling themselves Israelis) decided to build a homeland for themselves on the ruins of the Palestinian people. Kicking them out of their own homes, occupying their land and killing women and children as they went along. The entire existence of Israel was built on a fantastic lie " A land with no people for a people with no land".

They RAZED that land clear of the Palestinian people either by killing them in cold blood or threatning to do so if they didn't leave their own homes. They continued their mad plans of expansion in 1967 when they occupied the remaining parts of historical Palestine, Gaza, the West Bank, as well as the Egyptian Sinai (just for laughs)!

The history of the Jewish state speaks for itself starting from the massacre at Deir Yassin village in 1948 when the Jewish Irgun gang killed 250 men, women and children in cold blood. Followed by similar acts of barbaric genocide against Palestinians in Qibya, Khan Younis,Beit Darras, KAfr Kassem, etc. http://www.soundofegypt.com/Palestinian/adult/massacres.htm

Arabs were also a subject of the impunity of arms of the Israeli OCCUPATION Forces in the Lebanese village of Qana TWICE in 1996 and 2006 when Israel's precision bombing managed to bomb a shelter killing 106 civilans most of them women and children charred beyond recognition. And if that wasn't enough in 2006 another episode of ethnic cleansing took place during the rabid bombing of Lebanon when another shelter was bombed in Qana and killed 51 civilans 22 of them children in one blow http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/07/30/18292861.php

TOday as we type away behind the luxury of our computer screens more men, women and children are being slaughtered by Israel infront of the eyes of a complacent international community http://www.uruknet.info/?p=49933

The Universal DEclaration of Human Rights guarantees the right to life, liberty and security of person to all people regardless of race, colour or religion.

Palestinians are an oppressed and occupied people have they the right to resist their aggressors and occupiers until they achieve liberation!

Final Redemption   January 8th, 2009 7:33 am ET

"Bombing and hitting from a distance." Yes Panama, I think this is a tactic employed by the Israeli's. I think they do this to keep their casualty count down. I could be wrong though as I am not a military man.
Perhaps you could enlighten me? I'm not sure I understand why street fighting or what you eloquently refer to as "bravery" needs to replace an obviously sensible and intelligent war tactic. Would that not just be plain stupid?

Rockstar   January 8th, 2009 8:32 am ET

Israel is killing the Palestnian children who didn't choosed Hamas as their Govt. If Ghaza people are guilty to elect their Govt. so kill only the voters, don't kill the innocent children. Above all, I will say that every country's people has their own right to choose a Government, but if other country like Isarel wants to kill the general human rights of the people of a country like Palestine, simply they will protest, Israel is killing the women and children of Palestine on daily basis, I (am a journalist in Ramalla) have seen Israeli troops are raping Palestaninan women, are these not terrorism? If I fight to save my mother, wife, sister or daughter.. is it terrorism?? What is terrorism?? The answer is simple, terrifying the human being is terrorism. Is Israel not terrifying the people of Palestine? They are not leaving even the innocent children! What we know in general is protesting is not terrorism but attacking is, which Israel is doing and that's why Israel is a terrorist country, We (the people) have the right to fight against the terrorism, people of Palestine choose an armed force as their government because they might think that only an armed force can provide some help to them and with the armed force they can protest their lives, and can fight to save their women from being raped, for that if anybody says palestinian civilians are guilty, he/she is stupid and blind without common sense humanity.

My request to all, please stop killing and attacking the really innocent and poor Palestanian, they only have stones to fight not the tanks, Jet-fighter-plane, guns or the bombs. If you are a human being, your heart should weep for the Palestanian innocent children, women! Be a human being and learn to condemn the wrong things. No body is there to help the Palestanians.. but our country (US) was there to help Kuwait from Iraqi attack, why?? why we (the US) are not helping or supporting Palestine?? Because they don't have the wealth and oil like Kuwait has??

Please wake up and be human beibg, don't be greedy always, help the poors (Palestanians).

Thank you and regards,

Martin Williams (Rockstar)
LA, USA.

Hila Israel   January 8th, 2009 9:05 am ET

Hey Panama,

I cannot elaborate, because some missiles from Lebanon currently hitted the city I live in. Is it an Arabic aggression? Is it OK to fire at us? Did we start this firing? Where do you live ? probably not in the middle east (the "wild west").
Please – ask yourself – what is wrong with your people ?

Nick   January 8th, 2009 9:34 am ET

YOU KEEP REPEATING THAT ISRAEL WON'T ALLOW JOURNALISTS TO ENTER GAZA. YOU ARE IN EGYPT! WHY NOT JUST CROSS OVER AND COVER THE WAR? BECAUSE EGYPT IS ALSO PREVENTING YOU FROM GOING IN. WHY DO BLAME ONLY ISRAEL FOR BLOCKING JOURNALISTS FROM ENTERING GAZA INSTEAD OF ACKNOWLEDGING THAT EGYPT ALSO WON'T ALLOW JOURNALISTS IN?

concernedteenager   January 8th, 2009 9:36 am ET

I don't know how the other Arab countries can handle this war. They are doing nothing yet Israel and America keep targeting them. They are getting blamed for this war, which Israel started. Hundreds of innocent people are dying, children especially. This is horrible and should stop, in the mean while people should observe the true colours of Israel.

Panama216   January 8th, 2009 10:04 am ET

Good morning Hila,

I've just seen that four rockets were launched from Lebanon into Israel and there are no reports of casualites as of yet. I have also just seen a report of two Palestinian boys 12 and 14 years old killed by an Israeli missile while playing on the roof of their home. I have also just seen an Israeli spokesman,one Mr Yigal Palmor try in vain to defend the Israeli attack on a UN school which also killed women and children. In his defense of the killings at the UN school,he brought up an event from last November wherein Hamas did in fact take over an abandonded UN site which had become part of an area of operations following an 8am Israeli incursion into the area. The thing is,he couldn't or was unwilling to give a straight answer.

As for my people,they are the ones who give your people billions of dollars per year in assistance that more and more people are calling welfare or handouts,and your people are taking that money and making a bad situation worse by building new illegal settlements and all of those rockets and missiles that are "inadvertently" killing women and children. I myself am a veteran of two wars and I have never witnessed the civilian carnage that is taking place right now in Gaza. So I think that the question that should be posed at this moment is,"What is wrong with your people."?

How are you all justifying this in your minds and why can you not understand that occupation will do nothing but breed violence,and lastly why are you all so unwilling to accept the fact that Hamas was borne from the creation of Israel? I don't think that you are one of the decision makers and I know that you have nothing to do with the creation of this conflict but right is right and wrong is wrong and the international community has forced Hamas to fight a nuclear power with one hand tied behind it's back while standing on one leg.

Do you expect them to just accept the fact that your forebearers have taken their land and that there is nothing that they can do about it? Israel was not created to fight a state called Hamas,Hamas was created to fight an illegal state called Israel. Stay safe today and if you hear any rockets whistling in on your position,hit the deck.

Hila Israel   January 8th, 2009 11:50 am ET

Panama,

Israel has left Gaza strip long ago. We do not need or want to control this land. We do not want to occupy this land. The presance of our fighters in Gaza is for the defence of Israel. Like any other state, Israel has the right to protect its citizens.
And no, Israel is not an illegal state. Israel is my homeland, we – the Jewish people – have the historical right to live here, this is the only home for the Jewish people. This will be my home forever. The Arabs who live in the area must accept this. They can live in PEACE. The only little thing they should do is accept the existance of Israel. But some of them choose not to.
If you think that Hammas "was created to fight an illegal state called Israel", then I guess there is nothing for us to talk about. I'm sorry that your haterad is so strong towards my people. I don't hate the Arabs. I hate those extremists who make our life so difficult here for the last 61 (almost) years. I do believe we can live peacfully on this same ground.

Final Redemption   January 8th, 2009 11:58 am ET

What happens when a fly falls into a coffee cup?

The Italian – throws the cup, breaks it, and walks away in a fit of rage.

The German – carefully washes the cup, sterilizes it and makes a new cup of coffee.

The Frenchman – takes out the fly, and drinks the coffee.

The Chinese – eats the fly and throws away the coffee.

The Russian – Drinks the coffee with the fly, since it was extra with no charge.

The Israeli – sells the coffee to the Frenchman, the fly to the Chinese, drinks tea and uses the extra money to invent a device that prevents flies from falling into coffee.

The Palestinian – blames the Israeli for the fly falling in his coffee, protests the act of aggression to the UN, takes a loan from the European Union to buy a new cup of coffee, uses the money to purchase explosives and then blows up the coffee house where the Italian, the Frenchman, the Chinese, the German and the Russian are all trying to explain to the Israeli that he should give away his cup of tea to the Palestinian.

Panama216   January 8th, 2009 1:10 pm ET

Hilla,I am sorry that you don't know your history if you think that the state of Israel is not illegal. And what are these historical rights that you speak of? Are those the same historical rights that Saddam Hussein thought he had when he called Kuwait a breakaway republic and decided to invade in 1990? And the idea of Israelis leaving Gaza is nothing more than symantics given that all of the borders are controlled by Israel. In fact if I had to draw parallels,I could draw them between Gaza and Prison.

Israel can shut down the borders of Gaza any time they chose and this is not an example of sovereignty that I've ever seen. Israel can cut off the flow of water,electricity,fuel anything that they want in Gaza and they've done so in one way or another since Hamas took office democratically. Yes,Hamas the "Terror" organization they came to power democratically,and that is around the same time that Israel,Egypt,and the United States imposed crushing embargos. If you claim some historical right to have taken Palestinian land in 1948,they have the same historical right to extricate you from it. And again my dislike for how your country came to be and Zionism has nothing to do with your people.

And I find it sad that Jews/Israeli Jews in particular,cannot fathom that there is indeed a difference between anti Zionism and anti Semetism. After WWII the displaced Europeans who practiced Judaism should have been given East Germany and instead they headed east on boats and took Palestine by force. Americans and many others are growing weary of Israels sense of entitlement. And the "I'm a victim because of the holocaust" thing is wearing thin. A rocket hits Israel and breaks a window in a car or destroys some pots in a kitchen and how do you retaliate? You kill women and children.

And with the death toll amongst civilians mounting,it's getting harder and harder for you to convince those in the world who are watching that the strikes amongst civilians are all gaffes and mistakes. So I guess that in order for you to live with the deaths of mothers and children,you have to convince yourselves that everyone hates you. Again,you must learn to understand the difference between anti Zionism and anti semetism. So far,Ten Israelis have died of which seven were soldiers. You can multiply the number of dead on the Palestinian side by over 70 and that's the ratio of casualties on both sides.

andrea   January 8th, 2009 2:00 pm ET

Love the story of the fly and the coffee...hilarious although a bit stereotypical. I would stop using sugar in the coffee to avoid attracting flies...lol
I can't believe you guys are still at this...no sleep? How about discussing this without anger and trying to work out a solution?

And panama: there were always many Jews in Palestine...you make it sound like there was an invasion in 1948. That was not the case.

lior   January 8th, 2009 2:17 pm ET

panama216 my dear

israel has the fukk right not to allow plestinians to enter it, just like egypt has the full right to do so.

as you probably know being so bright and clever as you are gaza strip is bordering israel and egypt, and egypt an arab state is not allowing palestinians to enter egypt – israel has left gaza strip and it is not under israels responsibilities anymore.

the problem lies probably in the fact that hamas in a radical etreme islamic organization which its goal is to destroy all israel and all the jews, yes it is just read hamas manifest and you will see.

so know your facts before you start chatering and spilling words.

peace now!

Hila Israel   January 8th, 2009 3:53 pm ET

Panama

I'm not going to respond to you any more. I've had enough from your claims, which are twisted according to your beliefs. Have you ever read the bible ? I know the history of my people better than yourself.
The problem is that you hate Jews, you hate the state of Israel – MY beloved home !!! – you are both anti Zionist and Antisemitist. You support a terrorist organization like Hammas, you justify their means and spill words out of bordom I guess. I can see why other people on this blog stopped chating with you.

klog   January 8th, 2009 5:40 pm ET

I watch this crisis on my tv daily, today for the 1st time i cried when i saw One Palestinian covering how his brother died.
at this junction i feel very bad for Isreal and Hamas Especially Hamas.
Hamas and all their Leaders are coward. most Hamas Leaders are outside Gaza. They ran away with their family allowing innocent people to die for what they don't know, if they are not coward they sholud have waited with thier family and taste what they cook.
For the sake Of Peace Let there be CEASE FIRE PLSSSSS

Star of David   January 8th, 2009 5:56 pm ET

To Panama, Rockstar and all the other racist inhuman THINGS on this Blog,

Israel is defending it's country from constant attack now not only in the South but in the North as well. Do you arab and Palestinian supporters truly believe what your saying. I've read things on this blog for example Israeli soldiers are raping palestinian women, Israel is illiegal, Israeli soldiers are cowards. Honestly people are you kidding me?

Do any of you rely on common sense to understand why Israel has America's full support.

It really is pretty simple. When was the last time a Jew or Israeli strapped explosives to his body to kill as many Jews as possible. Answer, NEVER. It seems like I wake up every morning to news that another ARAB suicide bomber killed 20, 30 or 50 of his own people. What a frickin disgrace. It's funny though, I never seem to hear any worry for those unfortunate people. It's also very amusing to see your so called hero Hamas terrorists hide behind there helpless wives as they fire rockets and guns from there holed up bunkers. Poor women and children. I wouldn't be surprised if Hamas is raping there own women. Why not come out and fight the way real men not Terrorists know how to fight or defend there land.

Instead of buying and smuggling rockets and guns why not build roads, schools and hospitals. Why not plant trees and harvest crops and veggies just like Israel did when we we're rightfully given are land back in 1948. Which is mostly Desert and uninhabitable. The bottom line is the people of Israel made it work Baruch Hashem (Thank G-D).

The blockade on Gaza by Sea, Land and Air is in place simply to try ans stop the smuggling of your murderous weapons. If the crossings from Gaza to Israel we're to open, I guarantee it would not be long before we have Suicide bombings in Israel again. Don't you THINGS get it, Hamas wanted the Gaza strip and wouldn't stop bombing us until they got it. We gave it back to them (Fatah) and the bombings didn't stop. Now they want the crossings (borders) opened and wont stop the rocket attacks until they get what they want. It will be the biggest mistake of Israel's existence to date if they ever open up those crossings again. Why do they want them opened, IN ORDER TO TERRORIZE ISRAELI CIVILIANS WITH MORE SUICIDE BOMBINGS.

Israel does not target Palestinian civilians, schools or hospitals. I don't think we could ever be more clear on this issue. If we do hit any of the above it's simply because your terrorist fighters are either hiding themselves or hiding their illegal weapons. Why are they illegal you ask, simply because all they want to do with these arms is provoke war, hate, fear and anger.

Please understand this, Israel will never be destroyed. We may take are wounds and lose some of are brave soldiers and citizens which are extremely precious to us G-d bless them and may they rest in peace, but we will NEVER be destroyed. It's time to get it through your ignorant heads. Stop fighting lay down your arms, stop smuggling weapons and you will see what true peace is all about. When are Defence Minister or Prime Minister tell the world we are Peace loving people and do not like going to war, believe them, they are telling you the truth. Not like your leaders which spread venom, hate and lies. Supposedly one of our tanks was ambushed and on fire yesterday. Never happened. 2 of are brave soldiers we're kidnapped. Oh wait, that never happened either. They spread these lies just to get a reaction and a protest so people can march and chant death to Jews and Israel. How pathetic. Unfortunatley pathetic is to nice word

Pray for Israel and it's soldiers my fellow Jews. Psalm 121 and 142 in the book of Tehilim. Read them as often as possible as we will need all the help we can get from up above to defeat the terrorists which want are destruction.

Star of David   January 8th, 2009 6:50 pm ET

Hila Israel,

Please protect yourself . Fortunately I don't think there will be any other attacks in the North as Hezbolah would have sent more than 4 rockets if it we're them. It must be another Terrorist Palestinian faction that fired those rockets.

Arabs should learn to elect normal people in their elections, not animals.

Final Redemption   January 8th, 2009 7:39 pm ET

This entire blog and every news report and every opinion out there can be summed up in one line that Hila wrote in her reply to Panama216,

"If you think that Hammas “was created to fight an illegal state called Israel”, then I guess there is nothing for us to talk about. "

This is this entire war in a nutshell. It is brilliant and I have to agree with Hila 100%. I wish I had penned it. This is the exactly the sentiment out there in the Arab world and in the minds of the anti-Israel thinkers. It is eaxctly what is in the mind of an anti-Semite.
This line sums up how the last World War is going to come about.
So I guess there really is nothing to talk about. There is no choice but to fight and daven to the Almighty that he shine His light on the Children of Israel!

Star of David   January 8th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

Final Redemption,

What do these Beracha's mean. Can you translate into english. Specifically the words "Ozaar Yisrael Bigvura"

and "Oteyer Yisrael B'sifara

Baruch Otay Hashem Elokeinu Melech Haolam Ozaar Yisrael Bigvura

Baruch Otay Hashem Elokeinu Melech Haolam Oteyer Yisrael B’sifara

By the way, great comments, facts and jokes throughout the entire blog. A true Zion. Unfortunately we don't have enough people like you. I've forwarded the coffee joke to everyone I know. Good stuff

Final Redemption   January 8th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

Star of David

Great having you on our side. The Berachas are part of the morning blessings that are said every day and can be found in all Siddurim. (Orthodox that is.)

The first part of the blessing is obviously self explanatory.

Ozaar Yisrael Bigvura – Who girds Israel with strength.

Oteyer Yisrael B’sifara – Who crowns Israel with splendor.

Talk soon.

Star of David   January 8th, 2009 10:51 pm ET

Panama 216, I just read your comment about Iran solving the Israeli problem within 2 years with their own nuclear weapons. The comment was posted on Jan 6 for people that would like to read it.

Two things you and your brethren might want to think about. Firstly, I can't imagine how many Arabs would perish being so close to Israel. But then again that probably doesn't worry you too much, just as long as Israel is destroyed.

Secondly, it will never happen. Must I remind you of the Nuclear site in Iraq that was obliterated by Israel in 1982. That might be too far back for your incapable mind to remember. How about the destruction of Syria's nuclear site not too long ago, ring a bell.

It's only a matter of time before Israel does the same to Iran. What a waste of time and energy.

12B2P   January 8th, 2009 10:55 pm ET

You know David,it is a weak individual whose only line of defense against his brothers in the ME killing women and children is,"You're all racists." You are incapable of differentiating between an Anti-Zionist,and an Anti-Semite as well as Anti-Israeli government and Racists. And of course today Israel in keeping with their near flawless record,they've added two UN workers to their ever growing list of "mistakes" and the UN has ceased operations. This morning or yesterday,two boys the same age as my oldest son,were added to the "mistake" list and what was their crime? they decided to go out and play on their roof.

There are two wars being fought here,the war of public opinion and the war against hamas. And from where the rest of the world is standing,Israel is 0-2 right now. Israel is keeping out the press because they've got things to hide i.e. killing women and children in UN safe areas,so the battle of public opinion is lost,and according to the casualty list, they're not fighting hamas,they're fighting 12 year old boys,UN aid workers,and women who are cowering inside as they were told to by the Israeli leaflets.

As each day passes,Israel loses more and more credibility,and they can forget about playing the victim card. So far,10 Israelis have died,7 of them soldiers,which says that it's Israel who is targeting civilians not hamas. The state of Israels days are numbered and you can bank on that.

Star of David   January 8th, 2009 11:01 pm ET

Final Redemption, thank you for the translation. I read these Berachot everymorning along with Shema and the Amida but I'm not fluent in Hebrew. I can read it but I don't understand most of it. On Shabbat while we read from the Torah, after each Aliya I read over the English translation so I can understand everything. How beautiful are the words we read not only on Shabbat but every day.

What happenned to Larry, Ben and Nona. They must have gotten tired of responding to deaf ears. I must say that the 5th and 6th of January this blog was on fire. It seems to have cooled considerably.

Take care and Shalom Alechem

Final Redemption   January 8th, 2009 11:10 pm ET

P.S. Star of David

It is far more important to be Jewish than to be Zionistic. Israel is not going anywhere. We are all going to land up there anyway.
However, what is going to get us there is Torah and mitzvahs. All Jews need to know this. These are our greatest weapons.

This is the post you need to forward to everyone.

12B2P   January 8th, 2009 11:13 pm ET

Hila,people are not addressing Panama216 because you can't talk holes into his head and he is not swayed by your nonsensical rhetoric about racism and all of the other weak lines of defense you and your Jewish brethren have laid down here. David,your silliness has condemned you.

Iran having nuclear weapons doesn't mean that there is going to be a nuclear war you ninny,it means that Israel no longer has a nuclear deterrent,can you understand that or was I typing too fast? Syria and Iran are not,I repeat NOT the same type of adversary,and Israel knows where Natantz is and we all know why they haven't tried anything yet. You're not dealing with a country that is only armed with AK47s and RPGs,and if Hezbollah can send the pathetic soldiers of the Israeli army scurrying back across the border crying for their mommys,what are they going to do against the Iranian army? Are they going to....Invade? lol! puhlease.

Heck they can't even tell the difference between hamas fighters and chlidren,and it looks as though those bottle rockets are still landing in Israel even after the pounding they've been taking. Like I said,no credibility. America needs to suspend their line of credit and the Arabs need to cut off the flow of fuel,and that'll bring Israel around.

Final Redemption   January 8th, 2009 11:16 pm ET

Yeah, it has cooled down a lot. It is a good one to save though.
It will prob heat up again next time the infidels are not happy with result of an israeli bombing. I'm going to keep checking in though nonetheless. Have a good one.

Star of David   January 8th, 2009 11:16 pm ET

Well said Final Redemption.

12B2P   January 8th, 2009 11:38 pm ET

Look at you morons,lol.

"David,you're the best and so well spoken."

"No Redemption,you're the best."

"No we're the best because we go to temple and do the shabat."

What is that a dance? You two clowns need religion to be grounded,and to give you guidance? Yep just as I suspected, Lemmings. You're no better than those "Terrorists" that you go on about. If you had the heart to be ultra radicals,you would,just listen to yourselves. Look at all of the peace that your religion has given you,look at the peace that has come to Israel,thanks to religion. I wonder if Bernie Madoff was thinking about your religion when he bilked his own people and others out of 50 billion dollars. You're all a bunch of frauds and are about as close to god as the devil himself. I think that I need to go and vomit now.

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Dean   January 9th, 2009 2:02 am ET

I have been following this and have an understanding of the politics, and would probably react the same way if someone attacked my home. However, from reports there has been 3 or 4 Israeli killed by the Hamas attacks from the begining of this 'conflict'...does this justify the amount of force being used to stop the Hamas?
I agree that Israel must act swiftly and without resolution, however how much death equals the 4 Israeli lives lost? its an 80 sq mile piece of land...eradicate the Hamas and let it be.

sabicha   January 9th, 2009 2:44 am ET

Sorry I write what ever comes out of my simple brain, I don’t write well at all.
First I thing the whole thing is very sad.
The saddest part is that the Arab news like aljazeera or even CNN always makes the Arabs look stupid. it's the same story all the time. the Palestinians are standing next to a bombed house scratching their heads, they Arab media finds the dumbest people on purpose.(Palestinians are not dumb. Have many arab friends who are so smart they scare me.) The problem in Palestine is the same problem they had in Lebanon the hamas. I don’t really think Iran is the supporter for hamas, I think Iran is getting paid to pretend they are hamas supporters and act crazy to look like they are against Israel but I don’t really see a reason for Iran to hate Israel, i was living with a Persian women for 3 years and have a lot of Iranian friends (manhattan N.Y) Iranian Muslim new Yorkers my age in their 30-40 are very down to earth cool people who love to experience life, there women are treated like queens with a lot of respect. Iranian people got lot of talent in music, art, food culture there mind is very open. Their government is getting paid to act like idiots in the media.
I think the countries that are really creating the Hamas are the countries that have the power of the oil or gas. You be surprise but I am assuming the same company who owns the majority of Warner Brothers, Aol, CNN Disney, citi bank stocks. Which bought it from their huge oil profit? I think they are creating an unbalance environment in the middle east with Israel so they can hold back the petroleum barrels and raise the prices, If there will complete peace in the middle east they buyer countries or corporations won’t be afraid to bargain and probably go to different country and bargain cause there is peace.( buyers market) If there is war and fear of unbalance in the Middle East, it’s a sellers market.

Back to the media making Palestinians look stooped every time.
Palestine’s said they are not the hamas why is Israel hitting them. They see the hamas on their roofs of their houses shooting rocket bombs on Israel schools, towns and homes, they know Israel is going to hit then back after couple of months of holding off. If the Palestinians dont want to get together and kick the hamas out of Palestine they should just give the land to hamas and let israel deal with hamas. they are bombing Israeli city for six months strait every day ,even if the hamas is doing it, not the Palestinian, they should have learned from the last 50 times Israel is going to hit back and when hit back they are not going to play games. But the Palestinians in the media are always surprised.
Israel helped build all of Palestine, schools, roads, the factories, Israel employees the majority of the Palestine before the hamas took power 3 years a go. Israeli’s rather have Palestine’s who are educated with a good healthy economy that can live in peace; Israel is in peace with Jordan and Egypt, and if it wasn’t for the hamas and Syria it would have in peace with Lebanon . I see on FB all these free Palestine causes, they are free and Israel keeps giving them land and then the Palestinians use the land for to shoot rockets on Israel. They been doing this for years but now hamas use way better rockets that go deeper in to Israel populated cities and its getting to the point that hamas got to go, especially that there reason is biblical and they wont stop till all the Israeli citizens are push to the water. if the Arabs take over Jerusalem they won’t allow and Christian stuff or Jesus stuff or Jews stuff. The Muslim believes the only religion u r allowed to know or follow is Muslim. Jews and the catholic religion believe every human is a part of god creation. If the Palestine’s really want to live Palestine in peace and raise kids that will educated and be useful and helpful to their country and even the world. Like the real Koran from the Muslim religion write, the Koran also teaches you how to kill your ego to make you a better person not to be to brainwash the kids how to hate and kill their only one life for the cause of a little land.
All religions purpose is to make the individual person believe in himself, when you thank God for the food you are eating you are thanking yourself, Religions helps try to understand your thoughts but religions wants to control your thoughts just like the media today
Humans are becoming smarter or more aware of their surrounding a lot quicker then 50 yrs ago.
The human’s communications and technologies are expanding forward at a faster rate
then most people can follow. And the older generation is really having a hard time understanding the new world, the new world create fear with the older people because they are afraid to loose control. The problem is they have the money which gives them power and the use the manipulated religions to control the new generation, but the new generations coming back with newer technologies which helps people from all around the globe come together as understandable humans
We are humans but are here on earth in one life for the same reason animals are, to reproduce, we all got same color blood following from our hearts in our body and all want a easy and comfortable life. Humans created a lot of the emotions and feelings in our belly and brains. The media tells you brain what is good or what is bad and how to react to it. They creating the different class of people cause that everyone can be the boss.
Yalla I am tired of writing

Final Redemption   January 9th, 2009 7:37 am ET

Sabicha, you opened your essay saying something about your simple brain....I'll second that.

12B2P They can tell the difference between Hamas and children. It's quite simple really, prevention is better than cure!

12B2P   January 9th, 2009 9:42 am ET

Hey redemption,you do realize that you just advocated Adolf Hitlers plan don't you? He thought that an ounce of prevention was worth a pound of cure,and to think that if he had been successful in his venture,there would be no such thing as Israel today.

Who could have imagined finding a Hebrew talking final solution advocating Jew in 2009? What a difference a day makes huh? That's ok though because we see what happened to Hitler as well don't we? Before this century is over,Israel shall be reduced to nothing more than just a bedtime story that you tell little kids who don't want to go to bed.

Final Redemption   January 9th, 2009 2:38 pm ET

What plan? I thought there was no holocaust?

Information like this would probably startle a lot of Muslims around the globe. Have you confirmed your source for information like this, or are you just stirring the pot?

12B2P   January 9th, 2009 2:50 pm ET

Redemption,you're assuming a lot of things that aren't exactly true,and that's nothing more than your feeble attempts at slight of hand,your brothers have the hearts of kitty cats but what is to expected from a lot that has produced such heroes as Judas and Bernie Madoff? If the Arabs attack you,they tell you that they did it,whereas you cowards will hide behind such jargon as "Unfortunate incidents and mistakes" instead of owning up to what you're doing. One third of all of the casualities in Gaza are children,most of the others are women and very few are actually hamas fighters.

Your people have spent billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars and you still can't stop the rockets,because you're too afraid to get down on the ground where you need to be to stop them. Israel is a sad joke that possesses nuclear weapons. You can't even take down a group of guerilla fighters who have little more than AK47s lol. Oh well,you shall be the masters of your own fates on this one,and I have a sneaking suspicion that all of these women and children that your murderous lot is killing,shall not have died in vain. Continue to show the world what kind of people you really are Redemption,continue to advocate what's going on here.

JJ   January 9th, 2009 4:50 pm ET

To those who have the audacity to compare any of what israel has done to the holocaust, you should think twice before making such an analogy. do you have any idea what was done by the nazi's during the holocaust?
Palestinians are not being rounded up and put in gas chambers. Their genitals are not being cut off as a form of an experiment; the women are not being raped in front of their husband. Parents are not forced at gun point to murder their own children. Killing 6,000,000 Jews in cold blood in an attempt to cleanse the Nazi empire is incomparable to a couple of hundred people dead most of who are terrorists and have been fighting the state of Israel since before its inception.
While I will admit that what is happening in Gaza now is not good for either side, but to compare it to the holocaust is just naive.

Additionally Jamil,

Jews are classed as dhimmi, which have fewer rights than muslims, and depending on the time period and the ruler were treated better or worse, but as dhimmi, were by no means equal, and definitely persecuted by the muslims.

Star of David   January 9th, 2009 5:16 pm ET

12B2P, Just like I thought. It didn't take you long at all to chime in with your anti semetic comments. The truth is what can be more expected from a bitter person like you. You seem to sarcastically lol quite a bit. I can picture you right now watching the News laughing out loud at all those poor innocent women and children dying in Gaza. Just listen to yourself. Like I said earlier, patheic.

Did it ever cross your mind that if Hamas we're to fight without hiding behind there wives and children that maybe just maybe there wouldn't be any civilian casualties. While you are sitting pretty behind your desk laughing did you ever stop to think that Israel is at war with a terrorist faction and that sometimes they might hit something accidentally. No worries, I'm sure it must be too complicated for you feeble narrow mind to comprehend.

And another thing, I don't need you to explain Iran's Nuclear tactics. Does your mind have the capacity to understand that if Iran we're to ever be in possession of Nuclear weapons the whole world would be in danger. Ahmadinejad is a sick man with sick aspirations. I don't know about any of you but I would feel allot let safe, even if I am on this side of the Atlantic.

12B2P   January 9th, 2009 5:46 pm ET

Dear David,

My comments are Anti-Semetic,my laughs are exhorbitant and sarcastic and I'm bitter. Oh good,now we know that you've taken a semester of Psychology and your girlfriend or boyfriend tells you that you would make a great analyst,I'm not impressed. And I find it funny that the only thing that you and your Jewish brethren do is try to put others on the defensive even though the facts don't support your logic. Israel was created by a terrorist faction,and it's that creation that led to the creation of Hamas. And of course being from the brood of cowards that you are from,you are now blaming the Palestinian deaths on other Palestinians.

On January 4th,your Israeli brothers evacuated 30 or so Palestinians from one building,placed them in another,and flattened it 24 hours later killing everyone inside. You are a morally bankrupt people and the wanton disregard for Palestinian life that you have shown for the past 61 years is an attestation of that. Everyone is sick except the Jews who only want peace but can't seem to stop killing innocent civilians everyone is evil except the Jews who sold out Christ for 30 pieces of silver and Bernie Madoff who walked off with 50 billion dollars.

You have been pulling on the worlds heartstrings with your sad story for almost 70 years and it's time that you are seen for what you really are. America must terminate Israels line of credit that allows them to do what they are doing right now,and the Arabs need to get a clue and turn off the oil. Israel doesn't want peace because it's not in your nature to be a peace loving people.

Just look at how the nation was born and the violence that followed. I'm not anti semetic,I'm anti fraud and from where I'm standing,all of you crybabies who are trying to convince the world that you're victims are nothing more than hucksters,scheisters,frauds. You fool no one.

Star of David   January 9th, 2009 6:41 pm ET

12B2P, who the hell is trying to impress you. I guess a little education 101 offended you. Sorry to hurt your feelings you poor anti semetic fool. Wake up and smell the coffee and please don't forget, we have been dealing with these terrorist animals for 61 Years or should I say 70 according to your records. I think, no better yet, I know Israeli intelligence has a pretty good idea on how to treat these animalistic terrorists. Keep talking like you are, spreading all this hate and disgust and you can all expect more of the same for the next 61 years and beyond. Unfortunately, even after all the time I've invested trying to enlighten you and others, you still don't get it. Sad, very sad. And yes smart guy we blame Palestinian deaths on other Palestinian Terrorists. Really, it's not that hard to understand.

Star of David   January 9th, 2009 6:58 pm ET

And by the way the evacuation of 30 people from one building to another and then pummeling that building was again propaganda. Just more UN/Palestinian giberish. Although, it doesn't surprise me that you we're duped into believing Israel would do such a thing. I, nor Jews anywhere in the world condone such barbaric behavior. But again, **** I'm really getting tired of having to repeat myself especially when arguing with deaf ears. If this we're to truly happen, remember that Israel is at war and unfortunately there will inevitably be civilian casualties due to Terrorist tactics.

12B2P   January 9th, 2009 7:09 pm ET

You're not clever David and yes you do seem to be limited to education 101. The Mossad,created in 1939 or 70 years ago,was created by the terrorists who would play a crucial role in the annexation of Palestine. David Ben Gurion was one of those terrorists who helped to create Israel. So no you simple man,your peoples plan began long before 1948 and yes was implemented through terror. Each day that has passed has exposed the Israeli war machine as the weak and ineffective entity that it is,and god forbid they had to actually fight a real opponent who is capable of giving as much as they are. They couldn't stop Hezbollah and instead of fighting Hamas,they prefer to fight the women and children. What a sad lot of cowards.

Star of David   January 9th, 2009 7:50 pm ET

Come on 12B2P or should I say smart guy, you've been part of this blog for what a day now. We already know how incredibly intelligent you are. Please get a life. And no I didn't ask for a history lesson. Get your facts straight before you post them.

Signing off until Sunday possibly Monday.

Shabbat Shalom to all and may Hashem protect the land, citizens and the brave soldiers of Israel. May he also protect the civilians caught in the crossfire in Gaza.

Peace out.

12B2P   January 9th, 2009 8:07 pm ET

Hahaha,you're a chump David,and what is it that you think you know about what kind of life I have? You come here with the same magic tricks and soft shoe taps as your brethren and when presented with the facts,you immediately fall back to trickery and magic. As I said earlier,you're a fraud and I'm not impressed by you. You've been exposed just like those cowards in Israel have.

Star of David   January 9th, 2009 8:24 pm ET

12B2P, Thanks for the kind words, and like I said get your facts straight before you post them.

Nice weekend to you to.

LARRY   January 10th, 2009 3:44 pm ET

The following is an article written by Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz, published for Hudson.org. It explains the Hamas strategy better than any of the hate-filled Hamas apologists out there and exposes them for the criminals that they are. I am sure that they will ignore this because it is factual and the murderous lunatics that blow each other up and send their women and children to die cannot survive on facts.

* Hudson.org

January 8, 2009 | Alan M. Dershowitz
The Hamas War Crime Strategy

As Israel persists in its military efforts—by ground, air and sea—to protect its citizens from deadly Hamas rockets, and as protests against Israel increase around the world, the success of the abominable Hamas double war crime strategy becomes evident. The strategy is as simple as it is cynical: provoke Israel by playing Russian roulette with its children, firing rockets at kindergartens, playgrounds and hospitals; hide behind its own civilians when firing at Israeli civilians; refuse to build bunkers for its own civilians; have the TV cameras ready to transmit every image of dead Palestinians, especially children; exaggerate the number of civilians killed by including as "children" Hamas fighters who are 16 or 17 years old and as "women," female terrorists.

Hamas itself has a name for this. They call it "the CNN strategy" (this is not to criticize CNN or any other objective news source for doing its job; it is to criticize Hamas for exploiting the freedom of press which it forbids in Gaza). The CNN strategy is working because decent people all over the world are naturally sickened by images of dead and injured children. When they see such images repeatedly flashed across TV screens, they tend to react emotionally. Rather than asking why these children are dying and who is to blame for putting them in harms way, the average viewer, regardless of their political or ideological perspective, wants to see the killing stopped. They blame those whose weapons directly caused the deaths, rather than those who provoked the violence by deliberately targeting civilians. They forget the usual rules of morality and law. For example, when a murderer takes a hostage and fires from behind his human shield, and a policeman, in an effort to stop the shooting accidentally kills the hostage, the law of every country holds the hostage taker guilty of murder even though the policeman fired the fatal shot. The same is true of the law of war. The use of human shields, in the way Hamas uses the civilian population of Gaza, is a war crime—as is its firing of rockets at Israeli civilians. Every human shield that is killed by Israeli self defense measures is the responsibility of Hamas, but you wouldn’t know that from watching the media coverage.

The CNN strategy seems to work better, at least in some parts of the world, against Israel that it would against other nations. There are many more protests—and fury—directed against Israel when it inadvertently kills fewer than 100 civilians in a just war of self defense, than against Arab and Muslim nations and groups that deliberately kill far more civilians for no legitimate reason. It isn't the nature of the victims, since more Arabs and Muslim civilians are killed every day in Africa and the Mid East by Arab and Muslim governments and groups with little or no protests. (For example, on the first day of Israel’s ground attack, approximately 30 Palestinians, almost all Hamas combatants, were killed. On the same day an Islamic suicide bomber blew herself up in a mosque in Iraq, killing 40 innocent Muslims. No protests. Little media coverage.) It isn't the nature of the killings, since Israel goes to extraordinary lengths to avoid killing civilians—if for no other reason than that it hurts their cause—while Hamas does everything in its power to force Israel to kill Palestinian civilians by firing its missiles from densely populated civilian areas and refusing to build shelters for its civilians. It isn't the nature of the conflict, because Israel is fighting a limited war of self defense designed to protect its own civilians from rocket attacks, while most of those killed by Arabs and Muslims are killed in genocidal and tribal warfare with no legitimate aim. The world simply doesn't seem to care when Arabs and Muslims kill large numbers of other Arabs and Muslims, but a qualitatively different standard seems to apply when the Jewish state kills even a relatively small number of Muslims and Arabs in a war of self defense.

The international community doesn't even seem to care when Palestinian children are killed by rocket fire—unless it is from Israeli rockets. The day before the recent outbreak, Hamas fired an anti-personnel rocket at Israeli civilians but the rocket fell short of its target and killed two Palestinian girls. Yet there was virtually no coverage and absolutely no protests against these "collateral" civilian deaths. Hamas refused to allow TV cameras to show these dead Palestinian children, who were killed by their own rockets. Nor have there been protests against the cold blooded murders by Hamas and its supporters of dozens of Palestinian civilians who allegedly "collaborated” withIsrael. Indeed Hamas and Fatah have killed far more Palestinian civilians over the past several years than have the Israeli, but you wouldn't know that from the media, the United Nations or protesters who focus selectively on only those deaths caused by Israeli military actions.

The protestors who fill the streets of London, Paris and San Francisco were nowhere to be seen when hundreds of Jewish children were murdered by Palestinian terrorists over the years.

Moreover, the number of civilians killed by Israel is almost always exaggerated. First, it widely assumed that if a victim is a "child" or a "woman", he or she is necessarily a civilian. Consider the following report in Thursday’s NY Times: "Hospital officials in Gaza said that of the more than 390 people killed by Israeli fighter planes since Saturday, 38 were children and 25 women.” Some of these children and women were certainly civilians but others were equally certainly combatants: Hamas often uses 14, 15, 16 and 17 year olds as well as women as terrorists. Israel is entitled, under international law, to treat these children and women as the combatants they have become. Hamas cannot, out of one side of its mouth, boast that it recruits children and women to become terrorists, and then, out of the other side of its mouth, complain when Israel takes them at their word. The media should look closely and critically at the number of claimed civilian victims before accepting self-serving and self-contradictory exaggerations.

By any objective count, the number of genuinely innocent civilians killed by the Israeli Air Force in Gaza is lower than the collateral deaths caused by any nation in a comparable situation. Hamas does everything in its power to provoke Israel into killing as many Palestinian civilians as possible, in order to generate condemnation against the Jewish state. They have gone so far as firing rockets from Palestinian schoolyards and hiding their terrorists in Palestinian maternity wards. Lest there be any doubt about the willingness of Hamas to expose their families to martyrdom, remember that the Hamas terrorist leader recently killed in an Israeli air attack sent his own son to be a suicide bomber and then refused to allow his family to leave their house even after learning that he and his house had been placed on the list of military targets.

Nor is this double standard – applied to Israel on the one hand, and Arab and Muslim nations and groups on the other hand – limited to the current situation in Gaza. It has provided an excuse for the international community to remain silent in the face of massive human rights violations including genocides perpetrated by Arabs and Muslims around the world for years. Many of those who protest Israeli self-defense actions remain silent in the face of real genocides—such as that in Darfur.

The reality is that the elected and de facto government of Gaza has declared war against Israel. Under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, they have committed an “armed attack” against the Jewish state. The Hamas charter calls for Israel’s total destruction. Under international law, Israel is entitled to take whatever military action is necessary to repel that attack and stop the rockets. It must seek to minimize civilian deaths consistent with the legitimate military goal, and it is doing precisely that, despite Hamas efforts to maximize civilian deaths on both sides.

The best outcome for purposes of producing peace would be the destruction or substantial weakening of Hamas, which rejects the two-state solution. Israel and the Palestinian Authority could then agree on a peace that would end both the Israeli occupation and the rocketing of Israeli civilians.

Mr. Dershowitz is a law professor at Harvard. His latest book is "The Case Against Israel's Enemies" (Wiley, 2008).

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Ahmed   January 10th, 2009 4:00 pm ET

Larry,
I agree with what you are saying.
I am a Muslim and I am disgusted at the comments being made by other so-called Muslims. I, fortunately, was raised in the US by decent parents and was not brainwashed by fanatics who preach hatred and murder in mosques, and who misrepresent everything that Islam stands for. Israel is right in this conflict. Hamas are bunch of lunatics who are killing the Palestinian people and hiding behind women and children so that they can claim that Israel is killing innocent people. Everyone knows this. They are no different than the maniacs who kill other Muslims in Iraq. They have no value for human life- Arab or Israeli. I implore my misguided Muslim brothers to fight back against these hate-filled teachings. Don't blindly follow what is wrong.
My religion does not teach this. My religion teaches that we Muslims must love and embrace our Christian and Jewish brothers and sisters. You so-called Muslims who write in this blog only scream hate and anti-Jewish comments. I am embarrassed to call myself Muslim when I read these comments.
I also am fortunate to have many Jewish friends. They have parents and grandparents who survived the Holocaust. I listened to them and understand their suffering. You should do the same. The only ones who can legitimately be compared to Nazis are the Hamas thugs who preach genocide and who routinely kill and torture their own people.
I beg you, my brothers, to stop what you are doing. Our religion cannot survive if we are not civilized.

12B2P   January 10th, 2009 6:43 pm ET

Now,if the forces of Israel could only hit hamas instead of killing women and children. Israel isn't dealing a death blow to hamas,they're killing civilians with U.S. taxpayer dollars. They've been at it for two weeks now,and still haven't been able to stem the flow of rockets across their borders. Embarrassed by Hezbollah and now Hamas. Maybe they should declare war on the Girls Scouts,but I'm sure they would probably lose that one too.

12B2P   January 10th, 2009 6:56 pm ET

Ahmed,do you think that this struggle in Gaza is about religion? And not for nothing,it's Arabs who think like you who actually allow this catastrophe to manifest itself. You're a muslim born and raised in America,which makes you an American whose only connection to that region is your name. Your religion teaches this and your religion teaches that and yet you were some of the biggest slave traders in the history of mankind,and your more moderate brothers in the ME have turned their backs on the long suffering Palestinians to maintain good financial standings with the west.

Radicalism in any form is bad and the very basis for the creation of Israel was radicalism and terror. During the so called cease fire,Israel continued targeted killings which nullified any cease fire agreements that both side may have had. Do you think that the UN workers who were killed by Israeli tank fire,were being used as human shields by Hamas? or the two boys killed on their rooftop by a Predator drone during the week,or the 15 or so women and children who had sought refuge in a school run by the UN? I appreciate your wanting to show the world that not all Arabs or Muslims are the same but your position on the crisis in Palestine might require a bit more introspection.

Final Redemption   January 10th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

Why do I get the feeling 12B2P is really Panama216?

Final Redemption   January 10th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

12B2P

Do you think that the struggle in Gaza is not about religion?
Every time you open you mouth you make yourself look even more stupid.

arnold   January 12th, 2009 5:36 am ET

Today,January 12.I fear the worst will happen in Gaza.There are only two options left for Hamas.First,is to surrender and live.But if they surrender,they will lose all political gains and fundings they need.It is a strategic defeat. It is a death to Hamas,politically and morally.So,they will choose second option , fight to death,prolong the fight and kill as much civilians they can(by using them as shield). The world will condemn Israel for the carnage and massacre about to happen . Hamas is willing to sacrifice hundred of thousands of women and children just to gain strategic victory. They will blame Israel and they will persuade the world that Israel is guilty of genocide.
Using this,they can blind the world on Hamas' failures and scheme.
I pray that Hamas will surrender the soonest possible time and they will lay down their weapons,so thousand of civilians will be save.I pray that UN will send a peace-enforcing force in Gaza immediately.

Star of David   January 12th, 2009 5:47 pm ET

Final Redemption, I think you we're finally able to shut 12B2P's Mouth. Good Job! He really does sound like an ignorant.

Ahmed, great comments. I just wish more people would understand this conflict especially in the Arab world.

Arnold, Israel will not allow the killing or deaths of that many Innocent Gazans. We have morals Thank G-d. Israel will continue there best in trying to avoid civilian casualties simply because this is the way they operate. I guess the best thing that could happen would be for the IDF to destroy all there Rocket Launchers as they continue to do. The number of rockets coming out of Gaza has been lowered significantly. However, this alone will not achieve the peace you, I and the rest of the world is looking for. I think it's really going to take the Arab and more importantly the Palestinian people to revolt against Hamas ideology as well as Hezbola and Iran. Al Qaeda is a different story altogether. Surveillance, security intelligence and very tough rhetoric will be the only way people around the world can protect themselves from any terrorist attacks by them.

Final Redemption   January 12th, 2009 8:01 pm ET

Star of David, you on Facebook?

Star of David   January 12th, 2009 8:35 pm ET

Final Redemption, no facebook for me. Is there a good blog going on there?

12B2P   January 12th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

Sorry you ninnys,but I see no point in the back and forth with knuckleheads who possess the collective I.Q.'s of sock puppets. I said what I had to say on the subject last week and now I'm done. I'll leave you clowns here to pat each other on the back. I guess that you saw that Israel begged America for help in attacking Iran? Well if they wanted to do it bad enough,they would find a way without trying get America to fight her battles. Just like the cowards you are though. Hey, "What do you call a soldier who kills women and children."? Israeli. Good day you fools.

Hila Israel   January 13th, 2009 7:39 am ET

To all

See this terrible link emphasizing how Hammas is educating the next palestinian generation –

Hila Israel   January 13th, 2009 9:07 am ET

Ahmed

Thank you for your brave words. It surely gives some hope in this crazy world. All I can say is "hope for peace and act to achieve it".

Star of David   January 13th, 2009 4:54 pm ET

12B2P, Israel "Begged" America for help"? They asked for Bunker Busters, that's all moron. And as always, the Israeli's outsmart the rest of the world. It's all just a ploy and part of their plan so they can surprise Iran with an attack and destroy there underground nuclear facilities in the not so distant future. It's okay 12B2P, we all understand how hard it must be for your deteriorated rotten brain to comprehend the fact that Israel would prefer International assistance in order to keep the Jewish State out of this mess, but like usual Israel will be left to do this alone and they will, all in good time.

12B2P, as we all get to know you better, initial thoughts have prevailed. Your ignorance or better yet your lack of intelligence is passing with flying colors.

Do us all a favor and shut your mouth already, regardless, this will be the last time I address your Anti-Semetic and racist postings. Like I said earlier, get a life. Try using your hands because it's pretty obvious your incapable of using your head, maybe something like a plumber or a mechanic. Actually a mechanic might even be a little too difficult for you. Truth is, I don't really care what you do as long as you shut your mouth you racist bastard.

It's been nice chatting with the rest of you, best of luck to all and G-d bless are soldiers.

Final Redemption   January 15th, 2009 6:35 pm ET

Star of David

Great chatting. Owe you a pat on the back.

Kol tov.

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