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November 20, 2008
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JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel will boycott a United Nations conference on racism next year, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said Wednesday, charging it would be biased against Israel and aim to delegitimize the Jewish state.

The next World Conference Against Racism is scheduled to take place next April in Geneva, Switzerland.

The U.S. and Israel walked out midway through the 2001 World Conference Against Racism in Durban, South Africa, because of a draft resolution that singled out Israel for criticism and compared Zionism — the movement to establish and maintain a Jewish state — to racism. The resolution was not approved.

Critics said that conference mostly ignored other conflicts around the world and focused on Israel.

Livni said the 2009 gathering would be a repeat performance.

"The documents prepared for the (upcoming) conference indicate that it is turning once again into an anti-Israeli tribunal, singling out and delegitimizing the state of Israel, which has nothing to do with fighting racism," she said at a conference of North American Jewish leaders in Jerusalem. "In view of this situation, I decided that Israel will not participate."

The U.S. has not yet decided whether to take part, but used a vote in the U.N. General Assembly last year to protest the conference. Canada has said it will not take participate, charging that the meeting would promote racism and not combat it.

Jewish participants at the 2001 Durban conference said they had been silenced and threatened by pro-Arab activists.

Livni called on the international community to stay away from the 2009 conference, which she said "seeks to legitimize hatred and extremism under the banner of the fight against racism." No comment from the organizers was immediately available.

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Fawad Ali   November 20th, 2008 3:53 pm ET

Today, when we talk about racial tensions, people normally meant tension between Muslims and Jews……..and so the purpose of these conferences is to develop sort of environment where top clergies of both sides can talk to each other and reach a common ground but in the absence of any one side……..one can only imagine what will be achieve…..it will be like a party in which everyone will be having a fun with no disagreements…….

John Wayne   November 20th, 2008 8:39 pm ET

Fawad ali

Sorry, but you are wrong

The last two conferences did nothing but israel bashing

There is no reason to believe the next conference will do anything else

Tyler Walton   November 21st, 2008 12:08 am ET

Lets just nuke Isreal and Palistine and get this crap over with.

Seriously its getting tired theres alot more to this planet than two crappy countries in the desert fighting over ancient books worshiping fictional characters.

harsh but hey its the truth

John Wayne   November 21st, 2008 3:03 pm ET

tyler walton

let's just nuke the USA

they are resposible for the economic breakdown all over the world, for most of the wars on the planet and for the harlot madonna

nuke the usa now and everybody will be able to sleep better

Fawad Ali   November 21st, 2008 4:37 pm ET

John Wayne, why just CIA throw people like you in Gitmo, so we will going to see some legitimate use of the cages there.

Anyways, the US did screwed-up the market trust, but what about the billions which are just sent to save some euro-Japanese ass. Second the US support Israel so the US interest remains protected. Nuked US, well that’s only going to happen after everyone got nuked, including holy Israel and Arabs. Because if there is someone who is not 100% guilty, is the US in the Middle East conflict

John Wayne   November 21st, 2008 4:50 pm ET

fawad ali

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Adnan Husain Arab   November 21st, 2008 7:27 pm ET

Israel is scared of the truth. The leaders are living in a fantasy world claiming that they are the victims. Constant blockade of Gaza is terrorism. When will the world realise this, and more importantly when will the muslims wake up? I am sure once Israel stops its aggression towards Arabs, we will have a peaceful middle east.

Tyler and John, those are pretty harsh remarks. Remember we dealing with humans here, this is not a CnC game! And if you remember, Iran's President was termed a “terrorist” by Bush and his allies when he said Israel should be wiped out from the face of the world.

Peace

Beny   November 21st, 2008 7:56 pm ET

Tyler

I agreed with you before but that was a serious line you crossed.

You don't want anything to do with us? Fine. Your choice. But then what are you doing here, in this blog?

See- to me, Israel is much more than "two crappy countries in the desert fighting over ancient books worshiping fictional characters."

And if you don't like these discussions, the best thing you can do is leave.

Beny   November 21st, 2008 8:06 pm ET

Adnan

"I am sure once Israel stops its aggression towards Arabs, we will have a peaceful middle east."

Let me go back a few decades- 30 November 1947.
UN partition plan accepted, offering two nations. Absolutely no Jewish aggresion- we were too busy building the soon-to-be-declared state of Israel.
Was there a peaceful middle east? No! Countrywide Arab riots, attacking many Jewish towns, led by Hajj Amin al-Husseini. Closely followed by an invasion from 3 countries at once! (Syria, Egypt, Jordan). Peaceful ,eh?

Beny   November 21st, 2008 8:28 pm ET

"Constant blockade of Gaza is terrorism"?

And daily haistorms of rockets isn't terrorism?

The exploding buses of 2002 weren't terrorism?

Mines along the border and tunnels to kidnap soldiers aren't terrorism?

Two Arabs on bulldozers, raging through Jerusalem aren't terrorism?

The Gaza blockade is meant to stop all these, and as long as it keeps me alive, I'm not complaining.
The only reason for this blockade is Hamas terrorism. Cease the terrorism and you will see it lift.

http://www.israelibeny.wordpress.com

John Wayne   November 21st, 2008 9:48 pm ET

adnan

Israel is blockading gaza?

how about egypt?

they keep the border open, allow food and medicines in etc? you are such a hypocrit. no word about egypt, but you dare to call israel terrorist? isarel supplies 70% of gaza's electricity supply from its grid. this was NEVER cut. but your friends, hamas, darkened gaza for propaganda purposes. your friends, hamas, have been breaking the ceasefire from day one, sending rockets into israel almost every day.

and israel is supposed to open teh borders? so more terror atatcks will be carried out by hamas?

FAT CHANCE, ADNAN wake up and face facts

no rcognition, no stop to terror=no open borders

get it?

or do i need to say it again?

John Wayne   November 21st, 2008 9:51 pm ET

beny

the invasion in 48 was by 5 armies,you forgot iraq and lebanon

all the above (except iraq) signed the rhodes ceasfire agreements which said that the final borders will be determined by negotiations, not by arab dictat!!!!!!

Adnan Husain Arab   November 21st, 2008 10:29 pm ET

BENY

1. “we were too busy building the soon-to-be-declared state of Israel.” Please restate – “Chasing Arabs out of Palestine”.

2.Arab countries and the muslim world is pleading Israel to vacate West Bank and Gaza to create the State of Palestine. Israel is not letting this happen. Duh? Don't you read or watch the news?

3.As for the attacks by Syria, Egypt and Jordan, well what would you say if a muslim country is created inside USA and a resolution is passed in the UN legitimising that state?

4.You give 4 cases in favour of the blockade, well here is a puzzle for you:

Weapons used by Arabs in Palestine:

AK – 47s
RPGs
Iranian made unguided rockets (which to my knowledge have not killed any Israeli, may be one or two in Lebanon war of 2006, I am not sure)
Stones! (used by Palestinians against Israeli tanks)

Weapons used by Israel in Palestine:

I don't think I have to elaborate here...

Question: Who is the aggressor?

Even if they wanted to, Arabs can not be aggressors.

I totally condemn the attacks Hamas has carried out against Israeli citizens. They can not be justified under any circumstances. But I also condemn the attacks carried out by Israel against Palestinians. They too can not be justified. And if you have ever compared figures, Arab civilian casualties far exceed that of Israel, there is no comparison. Think about that.

Hamas is taking advantage of Israel's insensitivity towards Palestinian civilians. You see its all about winning hearts and mind of the population and they are not won by tanks and illegal occupation. Israel blocks, Hamas creates a propaganda against Israel, people support them (Hamas). Its that simple. In any case, the civilians should not suffer, its against human rights, and against the teaching of all Holy books, “You shall not kill”.

One more thing, any action against soldiers can not be counted as terrorism, well at least according to me.

I strongly feel that we as sons and daughters of Adam and Eve should resolve our differences through dialog and not fire power. A human life is too precious to be wasted!

Peace

Adnan Husain Arab   November 21st, 2008 10:51 pm ET

JOHN

“Gaza is a prison and Israel seems to have thrown away the key.”

United Nations Special Rapporteur on Human Rights, John Dugard

We are wandering of the topic and i don't think discussing it here is relevant. Anyways goto this site and judge:
http://www.end-gaza-siege.ps
http://www.end-gaza-siege.ps/AboutGaza.htm

In anycase I am concerned about the civilians and NOT Hamas. They are a resistance group, the moment Israel starts respecting human rights, Hamas will fade away.

Peace brother

Julia   November 22nd, 2008 1:51 am ET

Adnan, Salam Aleikum

I agree with you,

You just cannot make remarks saying to "nuke people". That certainly is not the attitude to have. I have said in my previous posts more needs to be done. No one is country is gulit free. The Palestine/Israel situation is complicated and sensitive. The killing needs to stop.

John, in refrence to your reply to my recent post I havent told Adnan Salam Aleikum because I am a terrorist sympathiser, but this is a common greeting amongst arabs that my arab friends have taught me.

Beny   November 22nd, 2008 11:03 am ET

Adnan,

1)
"Chasing arabs out of Palestine"?
Need I remind you that in April 1948, towards the end of the first stage of the war, it was Hajj Amin al-Husseini himself, Mufti of Jerusalem, who called for all the arabs to leave, and return soon after Syria, Egypt and Jordan have destroyed us?

Those who left with him became today's PLO. Those who stayed became Israeli citizens, living better than in other Arab countries, free of taxes and military service.

2)
"pleading Israel to vacate the West Bank and Gaza strip..."
Huh?
Don't you watch the news? This already happened, like, 3 years ago! Disengagement Plan, anyone?
In return, we've got daily barrages of rockets and dozens of terrorists infiltrating our borders. Operation "Shieldwall" somehow minimized the latter, but they still continue.

3)
"well what would you say if a muslim country is created inside USA and a resolution is passed in the UN legitimising that state?"

This has absolutely nothing to do with the matter. 1947 wasn't a country inside an existing country, it was two groups, call them A and B, living, at some point, in relative quiet (the British made great efforts on that), in a land sufficient for both.
Both A and B were recognized as deserving their own state. The UN made a plan for giving each of them a state, with the city holy for both declared international.
A accepted, and resumed building its state.
B did not, and instead attacked group A. Later group B left the land to let it's big brothers finish A off.

4)
You, in order to point at the aggressor here, decide to compare bodycounts.

Leaving aside the fact that the number of Israelis killed in both Intifadas greatly exceeds any Palestinian casualties.
What you say is that just because Israel is better at defending its citizens than Hamas is makes us the aggressor?

M Ariely   November 22nd, 2008 12:49 pm ET

The racism conference is a masquerade show staged by Muslim countries with the help of jewdofobia supporters under masked as humanitarian activists.

They will not discuss the real open racism worldwide run by Islamist

Examples of last day of Islamists
1: Yoga is forbidden for Muslims in Malaysia.
http://www.nst.com.my
However Yoga is a bon ton of many human rights activist world wide.

Have you seen any blaming?

2:Somali Islamist hunting pirates because the oil tanker belongs to a Muslim country and hijacking its ship is a crime.
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSLL19551020081121
Meaning that hijacking infidel's sheep's is OK?

Have you notice any blaming?

Solomon   November 22nd, 2008 1:37 pm ET

Beny said
Leaving aside the fact that the number of Israelis killed in both Intifadas greatly exceeds any Palestinian casualties.

The death toll, including both military and civilian, is estimated to be over 5,000 Palestinian civilians and over 1,000 Israelis, mostly soldiers .

Beny saying that the 1000 Israeli killed far exceeds the 5000 Palestinian killed show how Israelis view Palestinian lives.

may be you being an Israeli soldier say something about the racist attitude of Israel towards the natives of the land.

Solomon   November 22nd, 2008 1:53 pm ET

Benny we all remember that 13 year Palestinian boy on the hood of a Jeep who was used as a human shield by Israeli soldiers facing the children of the intifada.we have seen Israeli soldiers Using Children as human shields while attacking Palestinian homes. this is all documented.

is it surprising that you think that 1000 Israeli killed far exceed 5000 Palestinian killed?

Solomon   November 22nd, 2008 2:08 pm ET

Israeli soldiers were filmed using Sameh Amira as a human shield , during a week-long raid into the West Bank city of Nablus

a 19-year-old Palestinian student, Nidal Daraghmeh, was killed when troops in the West Bank town of Tubas forced him to knock on the door of a neighbouring building where a Hamas fugitive was hiding. Gunfire erupted and Daraghmeh was killed

I remember seeing a movie about how the Nazis treated the Jewish children it was sickening and it is been repeated by the victims of the Nazis.

Beny   November 22nd, 2008 2:43 pm ET

Solomon

Israeli casualties from Arab terrorism and the wars exceeds 22,000. 6000 were killed in the 1948 war alone. Many more in 1967, 1973, both intifadas and countless terrorism attacks.

Don't throw numbers you know nothing about.

No, it does not surprise me that you say only 1000 Israelis died, since you really don't care about the truth, as long as you can keep trying to delegitimize Israel.

"we all remember that 13 year Palestinian boy....this is all documented"

Please show me where it is documented. Non- arab site, please, I've seen enough lies from those.

On the other hand,
here is how Hamas uses Arab children.

Adnan Husain Arab   November 22nd, 2008 3:40 pm ET

BENY,

What are you talking about? Goto the links below for stats:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/nyt-report.html
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html

There are a range of other facts there, go through them, please...

As for the Disengagement Plan, Israel not only controls the border entrances to Gaza, it also controls the air and sea. So, indirectly, Israel is still occupying Gaza.

One last thing, refer to these maps:

Middle east in 1945
http://www.scribd.com/doc/217593/Map-The-World-in-1945

You will notice there is no Israel. So my co-relation of a muslim state in USA is not out of context.

Anyways, Israel is a reality, we can not deny it. I hope the conflict is resolved soon, RESPECT HUMAN LIVES PEOPLE!!!

Julia,

Walikum Salam
Thank you for agreeing,
Asalam u Alikum is not restricted to Arabs only. All muslims use this when they greet each other, be Arabs or Non-Arabs. It means peace upon you, and in reply you say “Walikum Salam” meaning peace upon you too. So basically its not just a greeting, it is also a prayer.

Peace

Solomon   November 22nd, 2008 7:01 pm ET

Adnan Husain Arab;

Shukran..

no matter what an Arab say on this site the pro Israeli posters will attack him.

nothing short of ethnically cleansing the Palestinians from Palestine will satisfy these Zionists.

Solomon   November 22nd, 2008 7:12 pm ET

Beny

On the other hand,
here is how Hamas uses Arab children.

before you start talking about Children you should tell them why you Killed their parents or put them in Jails. these are children that are looking for revenge from Israel and who are we to blame them.

as Adnan says.
Hamas is taking advantage of Israel’s insensitivity towards Palestinian civilians. You see its all about winning hearts and mind of the population and they are not won by tanks and illegal occupation

Adnan Husain Arab   November 22nd, 2008 7:16 pm ET

Soloman

I guess you are right brother...

Peace

Beny   November 22nd, 2008 8:13 pm ET

Adnan

1)
In the first site you gave me, I looked into their "our mission" page. I saw incredible anti-Israel overtones. I see now why you like it so much.
Almost every "fact" they give I can contradict with an example of mine, (as I have many times here) but since they (and you) will call my source Israeli-biased and thus lying, it will get us nowhere.

2)
I do not, however, disagree that more Palestinian children died than Israeli in the past 3 years. It does not classify us as aggressors. It only means that Israel is better at defending its children than Hamas is. I can give at least two reasons for this:

a)
Many of the "kids" in those charts are in fact brainwashed 15-year-olds, who get a gun from a delighted Hamas agent and go off to shoot some Israelis. A few turn to "shahids" (martyrs) before accomplishing their sacred duty. The rest are imprisoned, considered killed, and released a few weeks later.

b)
When a kid gets wounded, the Israeli stands a better chance. The reason? Israel has many well-equipped hospitals. You'd think that with all the Irani money Hamas can fund a good working, well-equipped hospital, but we all see what they would rather spend it on- guns for those 15-year-olds.

By the way, instead of treating them in their own hospitals, Hamas sends them to be treated to...Israel! That's right. The country that they don't recognize, is saving their kids' lives!

Solomon   November 22nd, 2008 10:14 pm ET

Beny.

dont you think that these propaganda posts of yours glorifying the racist state of Israel are out of date?

I am sure that you know that these posts are Just plain rubbish.

the Palestinians dont need your hospital if you stop shooting and killing them.

they would have good hospitals if you stop blockading their population and stopping food and Medical help to Gaza.

the UN, the European union, Russia the Islamic organization, are all calling for this outlaw state that is called Israel to stop treating Palestinians in this manner.

and you are surprised that Palestinian are fighting you?

I hope Egypt stops the gas to Israel. and I hope too that the Arabs start again to boycott Israel and I think that the international community should warn Israel to stop this barbaric uncivilized behavior..

Julia   November 22nd, 2008 11:48 pm ET

Adnan,

Shokran, for input

May peace be upon you!

John Wayne   November 23rd, 2008 7:22 am ET

solomon

no amount of lies and tries to delegitimize the existence of the state of israel will help you

you say you hope egypt stops the gas to israel

i say: let egypt stop sealing its border with gaza and let food in!!

what do you say to this, oh abu liar?

Beny   November 23rd, 2008 8:36 am ET

Solomon

Ah, finally you stopped trying to rewrite history and have retreated to meaningless and false slogans ("racist state of Israel").

Gaza also has a border with Egypt, if you remember. We don't see food and medical supplies going through there, now do we? What is going through in underground tunnels is Iranian weapons!

"the Palestinians dont need your hospital if you stop shooting and killing them."

And we wouldn't need this blockade if countless suicide bombers were not attempting to pass through every day!

http://www.israelibeny.wordpress.com

ironmen1987   November 23rd, 2008 10:53 am ET

The UN and the EU are both a joke. Russia only cares about using other countries to do it's dirty work. The Arab nations only care about the Palestinian people if they can use them against Israel. Any other questions ???

Adnan Husain Arab   November 23rd, 2008 12:28 pm ET

BENY:

“In the first site you gave me, I looked into their “our mission” page. I saw incredible anti-Israel overtones.”

The mission statement states:

“The mission of If Americans Knew is to inform and educate the American public on issues of major significance that are unreported, underreported, or misreported in the American media.”

What is so anti-Israel about that?

Are you scared of the truth?

I totally agree with you that our discussion will get us no where.

Your second point: “Israel is better at defending its children”
NO...
Israel is better and more efficient at killing Palestinian children... The youngest child killed by Israel was 2 days old, tell me Beny, when your soilders killed that baby did they saw an AK – 47 or a bomb strapped around that child? Or where they careless enough and didn't see the child? Or does Israel considers Palestinians as 2nd class humans?
Soloman is right. Additionally, open the borders, air and the seas, Palestinians won't need your hospitals.
As for the brainwashing, Beny here is a question for you. If a person (child or otherwise) watches the whole of his family being killed (either by bombing or land attack) right in front of his/ her eyes, can he/ she stay “normal”? You live in an iron curtain (Berlin wall, freedom wall, call it what ever you want to call it), you will not understand what I mean.
Further, Israeli army has attacked Palestinian ambulances, and has even killed Reuters cameraman, even though the truck was clearly marked “TV” and “PRESS”. Ruthless army I must say.
One more thing, check out this song by Dave Matthews Band “The Last Stop”.
When ever I hear this song, for some reason, Israeli flag starts flashing in front of my eyes... I don't know why the song was originally sung, but it fits Israel. Here are some phrases from that song:

How is this
Hate so deep
Lead us all so blindly killing killing
Fools we are
If hate's the gate to peace
This is the last stop
For raining tears
War
The only way to Peace
I don't fall for that
Raining tears
You're righteous so righteous
You're always so right
Go ahead and dream
Go ahead believe that you are the chosen one
Raining tears

Peace

miriam   November 23rd, 2008 1:21 pm ET

Many Israelis have seen their families shot, blown-up, starved, hanged, bulldozed, shipped from port to port, forced from their homes, trapped in ghettos, denied freedom of movement, targetted by missiles, forced to live in bomb-shelters, stoned, subjected to racial verbal abuse and violence......But there has never been a Jewish suicide bomber.

ironmen1987   November 23rd, 2008 1:56 pm ET

If the "cowardly troublemakers" didn't use ambulances, tv vans, or even their own children for the purpose of hiding what they were about to do then maybe the soldiers wouldn't have to deal with so many civilian accidents. You can blame the soldiers all you want but when you fight cowards, you have to deal with these unfortunate situations. If these terrorists cared about their own people then they wouldn't use them so shamelessly.....

Solomon   November 23rd, 2008 2:48 pm ET

The paradigmatic example of a "crime against humanity" is what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jewish People. This is where the concept of crime against humanity came from. And this is what the U.N. Human Rights Commission determined that Israel is currently doing to the Palestinian People: Crimes against humanity. Legally, just like what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jews.

and beny is not happy when I said the racist state of Israel.

Solomon   November 23rd, 2008 2:58 pm ET

1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies ­not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time – August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

Beny are you still mad because I call Israel a racist state?

Adnan Husain Arab   November 23rd, 2008 5:05 pm ET

Nice reply soloman

now i wonder why Israel is saying Thanks But No Thanks To That Racism Conference...

Those are very disturbing and irresponsible comments from the prime ministers.

John Wayne   November 23rd, 2008 5:40 pm ET

whenever somebody raises the truth, solomon comes up with more propaganda

solomon, why do you not ask egypt to open its border with gaza

this is about the tenth time i and others have asked, but you seem at a loss of words

racist statements you want, here we go:

Hamas: "We shall knock on heaven's doors with the skulls of Jews" (2.12.02)

Young Palestinian woman demonstrator, interviewed on PA Television – Oct. 22, 2000:
"All we ask is that the [Arab] countries stand by our side, give us weapons, and we, on our own, will prevail; we'll kill them on our own, murder them, slaughter them, all of them. We ask only for weapons, and we won't spare a single Jew."

High School girls, interviewed during recess Oct. 27, 2000:
"We want all the Arab countries to arm us with weapons, then we'll see who will win, us or the Jews..." "We want neither medical aid nor money. We need only weapons."

The following are the words of a Palestinian Authority religious preacher, Dr. Ahmed Yusuf Abu Halabiya:

"We the Palestinian nation, our fate from Allah is to be the edge of the sword in the war against the Jews until the resurrection of the dead, as the prophet Muhammad said: `the resurrection of the dead will not arrive until you will fight the Jews and kill them.' We the Palestinians are the edge of the sword in this issue and in this campaign, whether or not we want this. All of the agreements being agreed are temporary." (7)

From Palestinian schoolbooks:
The horrifying written examples abound. Take this translated quote from "Islamic Education for Fourth Grade, Part 2":

Learn from this lesson: the Jews are the enemies of the prophets and the true believers.

Or this tendentious examination question from "Modern Arab History for Twelfth Grade Part 1":

With an understanding of the racist and aggressive character of the Zionist movement, please summarize the similarity between Nazism, Fascism and Zionism.

Or this incitement to martyrdom in "Our Arabic Language for Fifth Grade":

The Jihad against the Jew is the religious duty of every Muslim man and woman.

Solomon, you want more examples of Arab and Palestinian racism against the Jews? I can provide hundreds!1

And tell me: Shouldn't egypt open the rafah crossing to gaza?

Solomon   November 23rd, 2008 7:49 pm ET

John Wayne.

I am giving you quotes from leaders in Israel people who are responsible and when and where they said it.

you give quotes from school children and preachers that no one even know or heard of

John you went on.
Or this tendentious examination question from “Modern Arab History
for Twelfth Grade Part 1

With an understanding of the racist and aggressive character of the Zionist movement, please summarize the similarity between Nazism, Fascism and Zionism.

If the.

U.N. Human Rights Commission determined that Israel is currently doing to the Palestinian People: just like what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jews.

Why are you surprised about the question for grade 12 students.

Solomon   November 23rd, 2008 8:05 pm ET

John Wayne
And tell me: Shouldn’t egypt open the rafah crossing to gaza?

the last time this happened Israel

Defense Minister Ehud Barak,
spoke to Egyptian officials and demanded that the Egyptian authorities take action to prevent the
crossing of Gazans back and forth between the two territories..

I guess Egypt is keen on keeping its relation with the US that is why the borders are not open.

if you ask me about my opinion on that I will say open the borders between Gaza and Egypt. and shot it closed between Egypt and Israel.

Does that answer your question?

Solomon   November 23rd, 2008 8:43 pm ET

John Wayne

solomon, your reply shows that you understand nothing and do not want to understand anything.

actually its your inability to answer questions and understand answers that is the problem. again I ask you to read more and write less .

you show that you are nothing but an antisemitic.

well I am a semite if that means any thing.I believe that all humans are equal semite means nothing to me.

Solomon   November 23rd, 2008 8:50 pm ET

Austrian Rabbi, Moshe Aryeh Friedman has described the Zionist regime in Israel as 'criminal'.

"Our religious beliefs oblige us to secure the freedom of all Palestinians and the sacred Jerusalem from the aggressive Zionist invaders." Friedman said.

"The Zionist Regime has committed world-wide crimes behind its holocaust fabrication, presenting the Zionists as champions of suffering and persecution," he said. "Although they commit heinous crimes before the eyes of the world, international organizations such as the UN chooses to remain silent and ignorant," he added

Solomon   November 23rd, 2008 9:18 pm ET

"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves."
Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

John Wayne.do you support that?

I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon,, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. oct 3 2001.

what do you say about that John?

.

ironmen1987   November 23rd, 2008 9:53 pm ET

You keep bringing up the UN. It is nothing more than a HUGE joke !! In today's world you are on one side or the other. The UN can't even tie their shoes much less offer any help. The only people that care about their ruling are the ones that go crying to them in order to use the media propaganda machine. Israel has played around for far too long with these terrorists and needs to clean house once and for all...

Solomon   November 23rd, 2008 10:23 pm ET

the Zionists propagandists resorted to extreme measures to demonize the Palestinian people. In their quest to demonize the Palestinian people, the Bible & the Holocaust have been cited to achieve the following:

*

To obscure facts and to deflect the core issues of the conflict
*

To gain a world wide sympathy for the Zionist enterprise.

Chief among these propaganda (or demonizing) tactics is the cite al-Hajj Amin al-Husseini's collaboration with the Nazis during WW II, while obscuring the fact that the Stern Terror Gang (once lead by Yitzhak Shamir) collaborated with the Nazis against the British Mandate during the same period (Israel: A History, p. 111-112). It is worth pointing out, also, that the Irgun (once led by Menachem Begin) attacked the British war machine and terrorized Palestinians while the Holocaust was in progress in Europe's concentration camps. Such facts are often hidden and purposely suppressed in most Jewish communities around the world, and for fairness sake, they must be debated.

Briefly, the Zionist enterprise will use all possible means to achieve its goals, including the exploitation of the Holocaust to portray Palestinians as Nazis, citing the Bible to paint the "Jewish state" as a divine prophecy, and above all using Hollywood's resources to demonize Arabs and Muslims. Ironically, the Bible was never cited nor exploited to mobilize the world Jewish community to "redeem Eretz Yisrael" during the Crusades' genocide!

Beny   November 24th, 2008 10:38 am ET

Solomon

And the Palestinian efforts to demonize Israel, which you are an active part of?

You constantly repeat that we drove the Arabs out of here, while forgetting that it was their own Mufti, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, who called them to leave in order to allow Syria and Egypt to destroy us. Never got to see his dream happen, though, did he? :)

You say we kicked the Arabs out of their homes, and forget that every grain of sand 'till 1948 was bought and paid for by Keren Kayemet, the Rotchild fund and others from the local Arabs.

You call Israel racist, and forget that Arabs living here (those who don't lynch policemen, of course) enjoy a better, tax-free lifestyle than, say, 90% of the Saudi Arabian population.

"the Irgun...terrorized Palestinians..." Huh? Is that what you call intercepting Arab raiding gangs, headed for Petah-Tikva? Interesting.

You give the words of an anti-Israel Rabbi- I give you the words, spoken directly to me, by an Jordanian chemistry professor, during a small pharmaceutical convention in New York, as talk momentarily diverted from chromatography charts to this subject:

"...they [Hamas and other terrorists] aren't real Muslims. Islam is a beautiful belief of compassion. They are just hot-headed maniacs hiding behind the words of false prophets to disguise their bloodthirst ... what angers me most is that they don't care a whit about the Palestinian people..."

And you know what? I believe him.

http://www.israelibeny.wordpress.com (forgive the no-update, there will be an article soon)

miriam   November 24th, 2008 11:11 am ET

While the Nazis were expelling, placing in ghettos and murdering Jews and at the same time a plan had been made to create a state for the Jews, would it not seem obvious that some people may have approached the Nazis and suggested that if they want to rid Europe of the Jews why not support the establishment of a Jewish state as a preferable solution to genocide. This would seem even more logical if the enemy of the Nazis (the British) was in control of the land destined for that state and was refusing entry to Jewish refugees and sending them back to Germany. There is a difference between suggesting a way of preventing a genocide and the Arab collaboration with the Nazis in Berlin, stirring-up more anti-Jewish hatred.
The Stern Gang and the Irgun were unpopular movements among the Jewish leadership because of their support for violence, and were consequently dismantled.
I'm not sure how the world Jewish community of the 12th/13th centrury could be 'mobilized' against the Crusades. There wasn't any CNN or e-mail in those days. If an army arrives in a village and massacres all the Jewish citizens who's going to warn the next village? But the Jews of Jerusalem did combine and fought hard to defend their city against the Crusades, but then you don't believe there were any Jews there at the time.

John Wayne   November 24th, 2008 12:41 pm ET

beny and miriam

there is no use argueing with him

because the Pals are like him, and most arabs too, there is no peace

and i unfortunately believe that there will be none, it takes two to tango

Solomon   November 24th, 2008 1:44 pm ET

You say we kicked the Arabs out of their homes,

beny read

* "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum."

here some more for you.

* "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist... There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

Solomon   November 24th, 2008 1:54 pm ET

Beny

You say we kicked the Arabs out of their homes, and forget that every grain of sand ’till 1948 was bought and paid for by Keren Kayemet, the Rotchild fund and others from the local Arabs.

did I say that? read Beny

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

miriam   November 24th, 2008 2:11 pm ET

Solomon, you are quoting totally out of context and from opinion articles (yes, in Israel one can write opinion pieces, even 40 years ago).
Moshe Dayan also knew that under nearly every Arab settlement were the remains of an earlier Jewish one.

John Wayne   November 24th, 2008 2:13 pm ET

beny, asov oto, hou mesachek itcha

ata af paam lo tagiah leaf makom ito

Solomon   November 24th, 2008 2:17 pm ET

John Wayne.

are you talking to your self?

Solomon   November 24th, 2008 2:28 pm ET

John Wayne.

are you asking for help?

Beny   November 24th, 2008 2:53 pm ET

Solomon

He isn't talking to himself. He's talking to me and, surprisingly, in Hebrew. Are you Israeli? Meefo ata yodea ivrit? (how do you know Hebrew?)

And to answer:
Ani lo menase lashahnea oto, hu mikre avud.
Yesh po harbe korim aherim shetsrichim likro tguva holemet lashkarim shelo.

(To those interested:
John: Beny, leave him, he's playing with you. You'll get nowhere with him.

Me: I'm not trying to convince him, he's a lost case. There are many other readers here who need to see a fitting response to his lies.)

John Wayne   November 24th, 2008 3:09 pm ET

beny

ani israeli veani ayef melhitvakeach im anashim kmo solo..

Beny   November 24th, 2008 3:15 pm ET

Solomon

By the way, I noticed you didn't care to answer anything I said, but instead resorted to attacking me with quotations, even after John Wayne's brilliant counterexamples.

That's not all. Almost every quote you gave me is completely false or out of context.

Take your time to read THIS report.

So, instead of answering me, you barrage me with sayings never said. Typical, really.

btw, the last quote you gave me, from "yediot", I do not argue. It is an opinion article, full use of the freedom of speech. Would such a thing have appeared in an Arab country? We all remember the case of the imprisoned Saudi blogger. So thank you for this wonderful example of Israel's democratic nature.

Adnan Husain Arab   November 24th, 2008 4:49 pm ET

Soloman its no use trying to convince people who have gone astray. Butt-heads can never learn. Their analytical skills have reached rock bottom. We have been giving them facts after facts but they still are not convinced. And now they are arguing over statements made by ordinary oppressed citizens (Palestinians) and leaders (Israeli). They don't even understand that statements made by people is a reaction to Israeli aggression. And that statements made by Israeli leaders lead to deaths while statements made by ordinary people leads to, well, nothing... When someone has so much hatred in his/ her heart, only God can help him/her. If they are arguing in favour of killing innocent people, God help them. I pray for muslim unity so that we can face this hatred together, as one, which has been haunting us (muslims) since the end of Khilafat. I also pray for the return of Khilafat (in true sense), with Kalifas like Hazrat Abu Bakar and Hazrat Umer. May God show His Mercy on all mankind.

Peace

miriam   November 24th, 2008 5:46 pm ET

Adnan, your comments are deeply offensive and, I believe, a threat. For more than 2500 years Jews have been kicked around by almost every nation on earth, all the while having the Land of Israel central in their prayers and religious practices. A person should have respect for another person's religion, especially if he himself is religious However, wherever the Jews have been they have suffered from hatred, not dissimilar to the kind you are currently displaying.If the Arabs, during the last century, had shown less hatred towards the Jews, there would be no need for any of these arguments in this blog.

Solomon   November 24th, 2008 6:00 pm ET

By the way, I noticed you didn’t care to answer anything I said, but instead resorted to attacking me with quotations, even after John Wayne’s brilliant counterexamples.

What questions? you and John have nothing to say but to repeat the Zionist lies that no one take seriously not even the Zionists themselves.

in answering you I prefer the answer to come from a Jew like your self so people will discover your lies.and that is what I have been doing.you keep Saying you dont want an Arab source well I am giving you Jewish sources.

about John wayne he should not be defending Israel he is a disaster.

Beny   November 24th, 2008 6:00 pm ET

Tell me Adnan,

If our analytical skills have reached rock bottom, why then are John, Miriam, and I the only one here who present logic and proof, while you are just throwing false slogans around?

In the last five comments by you and Solomon, none have even tried to counter my words. I don't think you even bothered to read them!

Beny   November 24th, 2008 6:08 pm ET

"Statements by ordinary people lead to nothing"?

Here:

Arab reporter asks 5yr old Muslim boy, "Do you want to be a martyr?"
5 yr. old replies, "Yes".
Reporter probes, "Why?"
Little boy says, "To kill the Jews."
taken from here, min 3:16

And this, you tell me, leads to nothing?!
I'll tell you what it leads to- it leads to exploding buses and overrun by bulldozer cars, for example. It leads to 8 yeshiva students shot to death in the middle of class!

"arguing in favor of killing innocent people..."

Where, in any of my previous posts, have I ever, ever said even one word justifying this accusation? Please show one phrase from any comment of mine to back up this stupid

The only arguments I make are against the systematical spread of anti-Israel lies, which you are an active part of!

Solomon   November 24th, 2008 6:08 pm ET

If the Arabs, during the last century, had shown less hatred towards the Jews, there would be no need for any of these arguments in this blog.

Mariam.
if the Jews stop stealing Arab land and stop treating the Native Palestinians like animals and give back what belongs to them, I am sure the Arabs will accept you the same way they protected you while the rest of the world was trying to get rid of you.

and by the way we are not talking about Hatred here.its about the right of the Palestinians in their homeland.

Solomon   November 24th, 2008 6:19 pm ET

“There is no such thing as a Palestinian people… It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn’t exist.”
– Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

Beny if your prime Minister deny the existence of a whole nation.is it surprising that you are denying few quotes?

Solomon   November 24th, 2008 6:26 pm ET

If our analytical skills have reached rock bottom, why then are John, Miriam, and I the only one here who present logic and proof, while you are just throwing false slogans around.

who said that you are presenting Logic and proof?
did you vote amongst your self and came with that statement?

Solomon   November 24th, 2008 6:50 pm ET

Benny. showing us a propaganda film by A Zionists will not convince any one.

I ask people to go and see for them selves on you tube real Israeli crimes against the children of Palestine and Lebanon and the crimes and the massacre committed by Israel. and decide for them selves

before listening to that 5 year old child.why dont you tell people that your army killed his whole family.

miriam   November 24th, 2008 7:04 pm ET

No, if the Arabs accept that the Jews have a history in the land and the right to live in it then there will be peace. Israel accepts the right for Arab-Israelis to live in the country and for the Palestinians to live in the West Bank and Gaza. Blowing-up Israelis is not a Palestinian right, but protecting her citizens is Israel's right.
People did live in Palestine, Christians, Jews and Muslims, but they were not a people or nation. Before 1946, the population of the area that is now Jordan was not a Palestinian nation even though it was also Palestine. There was never a Palestinian nation.

Solomon   November 24th, 2008 7:25 pm ET

miriam There was never a Palestinian nation.

was there a Jewish nation? give me one single proof that there was a Jewish nation for the last almost two thousand years.

and maybe you want to answer this.tell me what is the connection between the Russian Immigrating to Palestine who are not even Jewish, to the land of Palestine.

.

Adnan Husain Arab   November 24th, 2008 7:37 pm ET

Miriam

Please don't flatter me with saying I am religious. I am, just a sinner. I don't even have a beard. But I am trying to get better...

I have no clue which part of my post did you fine “offensive”.... “threat”.

Please let me know, so that I can clarify, or apologise.

I totally have respect from Judaism. It is part of my belief. Without believing in Hazrat Musa (Moses) I can not be called a muslim. Quran has extensively covered life of Moses, and all the miracles that he could do. So please don't tell me to respect other religions.

I am not “showing hatred to Jews”. Have you not read my previous posts? I have said time and again that was Hamas is doing is wrong, and existence of Israel can not be denied. I fully agree to an Israeli state but they should not be a pain in the ass for others. (BENY PLEASE DON'T QUOTE THIS LINE, this is just an explanation to make my point, not an “offensive” remark). You know when you said Jews have “suffered from hatred”, well if you look around, muslims around the world are being persecuted, and they are the most “hated” ones.

Miriam, last century was a disaster for muslims, Khilafat ended, Islamic world was divided by Britain and its allies into small states, and power given to useless autocrats. Muslims are living through a bad patch these days. What “hatred to the Jews” are you talking about?

The first step of any negotiation is the willingness to listen to the other's point of view, and appreciating his view point. I have done that, I have, time and again, condemned killings of Israeli citizens and I believe Israel is a reality. Tell me which of my points do you agree?

Hope this is a good enough explanation for you.

BENY

First of all please let me know how you manage to bold your fonts. Whenever I press Ctrl B, it gives a bookmark option.

5 year old boy:

This is exactly what happens when people are oppressed for a long time. There reason and willingness to live vanishes, and is then exploited by opportunists. Thats what I have been trying to say all along.

You should know one more thing, Islam, unlike Judaism, places huge stress on the after life, and the opportunists exploit this point a lot. To us this is a temporary life, a test, consider it as a SAT test. What these people forget is that LIFE is a gift from God in trust. In short don't make life miserable for Palestinians so much so that they are ready and convinced to break the trust.

Peace

Adnan Husain Arab   November 24th, 2008 7:40 pm ET

Miriam please go through the map that I gave link to. There was a Palestinian state, controlled by UK

Beny   November 24th, 2008 7:41 pm ET

Miriam

Thank you very much for your true words and support, but I'm afraid logic isn't their strongest point. Neither is history, apparently.

btw, are you a Jew? I'm asking because otherwise you'd call yourself Mary (or Masha).

Solomon, heed Miriam's and Golda's words: There never was a Palestinian nation here. Ever. What's more, when they were actually offered a nation in 1947, the responded with aggression against British and Jews alike.

And you're now accusing me because their war didn't succeed?

Two very clever women are throwing the truth in your face. Listen to them.

"give back what belongs to them"?
We Jews settled in completely empty territory. Plus every grain of sand was bought from the local Arabs. How exactly does this land belong to them?

Not to mention the flourishing Jewish kingdom that was here 3000 years ago, long before there were any Arabs.

"I'm sure the Arabs will accept you..."
Yeah? Like they accepted us in 1948, when three armies invaded us at once? Acceptance, sure.

Solomon   November 24th, 2008 8:03 pm ET

We Jews settled in completely empty territory.

and then Beny went on to say.

Plus every grain of sand was bought from the local Arabs. How exactly does this land belong to them?

notice the contradiction.

Adnan Husain Arab   November 24th, 2008 8:06 pm ET

Soloman

hehehehehehe

good one!!!

Solomon   November 24th, 2008 8:07 pm ET

Solomon, heed Miriam’s and Golda’s words: There never was a Palestinian nation here. Ever.

I am sorry I did not know that you are blind other wise you would have seen the over 8 million Palestinians that are around you as a matter of fact even now there are more Palestinians than Jews in historical Palestine.
what are you going to do about it?

miriam   November 24th, 2008 8:32 pm ET

Jews are bound by a distinct common religion, history and language and some may say race for which we have been persecuted for generations. The concept of a Jewish nation is central to our religion even at a time of dispersal. There has always been a part of the Jewish nation in the Land of Israel, a name by which the present State of Israel has always been refered to. A Russian immigrant is allowed citizenship if one of his grandparents was Jewish, the same criterion for which he would have been murdered in WW2 ie he was part of the Jewish nation that was to be exterminated. A spouse is permitted to join him/her.
Palestine was not a state, it was a mandate governed by Britain after
Ottoman rule.
The world to come is important in Judaism too. But we don't rush to get there.

Solomon   November 24th, 2008 8:52 pm ET

so a Russian who has no connection to Palestine is allowed if one of his grand parents is Jewish,

not even south Africa went that far.

an Arab Palestinian can not go back to Palestine even if his Parents and Grand parents and even if he can trace his family for hundreds of years and his home is there is not allowed.
how do you expect a society like this to survive?

Mariam Israel will follow the example of south Africa it might not happen in the next 50 years but it is coming.

Miriam you said.Palestine was not a state, it was a mandate governed by Britain after
Ottoman rule.

so Lebanon was not a state and Syria was not a state because they were under that same mandate.

only in Zionist thinking you hear rubbish like this.

dan perman   November 24th, 2008 9:39 pm ET

arabs like to claim that their terror is in response to the "occupation" and if israel would accept the two state solution, peace would come.

what a lie. arab terror started long before 1967:

Major Arab Terrorist Attacks against Israelis Prior to the 1967 Six-Day War

Jan 1, 1952 – Seven armed terrorists attacked and killed a nineteen year-old girl in her home, in the neighborhood of Beit Yisrael, in Jerusalem.

Apr 14, 1953 – Terrorists tried for the first time to infiltrate Israel by sea, but were unsuccessful. One of the boats was intercepted and the other boat escaped.

June 7, 1953 – A youngster was killed and three others were wounded, in shooting attacks on residential areas in southern Jerusalem.

June 9, 1953 – Terrorists attacked a farming community near Lod, and killed one of the residents. The terrorists threw hand grenades and sprayed gunfire in all directions. On the same night, another group of terrorists attacked a house in the town of Hadera. This occurred a day after Israel and Jordan signed an agreement, with UN mediation, in which Jordan undertook to prevent terrorists from crossing into Israel from Jordanian territory.

June 10, 1953 – Terrorists infiltrating from Jordan destroyed a house in the farming village of Mishmar Ayalon.

June 11, 1953 – Terrorists attacked a young couple in their home in Kfar Hess, and shot them to death.

Sept 2, 1953 – Terrorists infiltrated from Jordan, and reached the neighborhood of Katamon, in the heart of Jerusalem. They threw hand grenades in all directions. Miraculously, no one was hurt.

Mar 17, 1954 – Terrorists ambushed a bus traveling from Eilat to Tel Aviv, and opened fire at short range when the bus reached the area of Maale Akrabim in the northern Negev. In the initial ambush, the terrorists killed the driver and wounded most of the passengers. The terrorists then boarded the bus, and shot each passenger, one by one. Eleven passengers were murdered. Survivors recounted how the murderers spat on the bodies and abused them. The terrorists could clearly be traced back to the Jordanian border, some 20 km from the site of the terrorist attack.

Jan 2, 1955 – Terrorists killed two hikers in the Judean Desert.

Mar 24, 1955 – Terrorists threw hand grenades and opened fire on a crowd at a wedding in the farming community of Patish, in the Negev. A young woman was killed, and eighteen people were wounded in the attack.

Apr 7, 1956 – A resident of Ashkelon was killed in her home, when terrorists threw three hand grenades into her house.
Two members of Kibbutz Givat Chaim were killed, when terrorists opened fire on their car, on the road from Plugot Junction to Mishmar Hanegev.
There were further hand grenade and shooting attacks on homes and cars, in areas such as Nitzanim and Ketziot. One person was killed and three others wounded.

Apr 11, 1956 – Terrorists opened fire on a synagogue full of children and teenagers, in the farming community of Shafrir. Three children and a youth worker were killed on the spot, and five were wounded, including three seriously.

Apr 29, 1956 – Egyptians killed Roi Rotenberg, 21 years of age, from Nahal Oz.

Sept 12, 1956 – Terrorists killed three Druze guards at Ein Ofarim, in the Arava region.

Sept 23, 1956 – Terrorists opened fire from a Jordanian position, and killed four archaeologists, and wounded sixteen others, near Kibbutz Ramat Rachel.

Sept 24, 1956 – Terrorists killed a girl in the fields of the farming community of Aminadav, near Jerusalem.

Oct 4, 1956 – Five Israeli workers were killed in Sdom.

Oct 9, 1956 – Two workers were killed in an orchard of the youth village, Neve Hadassah, in the Sharon region.

Nov 8, 1956 – Terrorists opened fire on a train, attacked cars and blew up wells, in the North and Center of Israel. Six Israelis were wounded.

Feb 18, 1957 – Two civilians were killed by terrorist landmines, next to Nir Yitzhak, on the southern border of the Gaza Strip.

Mar 8, 1957 – A shepherd from Kibbutz Beit Govrin was killed by terrorists in a field near the Kibbutz.

Apr 16, 1957 – Terrorists infiltrated from Jordan, and killed two guards at Kibbutz Mesilot.

May 20, 1957 – A terrorist opened fire on a truck in the Arava region, killing a worker.

May 29, 1957 – A tractor driver was killed and two others wounded, when the vehicle struck a landmine, next to Kibbutz Kisufim.

June 23, 1957 – Israelis were wounded by landmines, close to the Gaza Strip.

Aug 23, 1957 – Two guards of the Israeli Mekorot water company were killed near Kibbutz Beit Govrin.

Dec 21, 1957 – A member of Kibbutz Gadot was killed in the Kibbutz fields.

Feb 11, 1958 – Terrorists killed a resident of Moshav Yanov who was on his way to Kfar Yona, in the Sharon area.

Apr 5, 1958 – Terrorists lying in ambush shot and killed two people near Tel Lachish.

Apr 22, 1958 – Jordanian soldiers shot and killed two fishermen near Aqaba.

May 26, 1958 – Four Israeli police officers were killed in a Jordanian attack on Mt. Scopus, in Jerusalem.

Nov 17, 1958 – Syrian terrorists killed the wife of the British air attache in Israel, who was staying at the guesthouse of the Italian Convent on the Mt. of the Beatitudes.

Dec 3, 1958- A shepherd was killed at Kibbutz Gonen. In the artillery attack that followed, 31 civilians were wounded.

Jan 23, 1959 – A shepherd from Kibbutz Lehavot Habashan was killed.

Feb 1, 1959 – Three civilians were killed by a terrorist landmine near Moshav Zavdiel.

Apr 15, 1959 – A guard was killed at Kibbutz Ramat Rahel.

Apr 27, 1959 – Two hikers were shot at close range and killed near Massada.

Sept 6, 1959 – Bedouin terrorists killed a paratroop reconnaissance officer near Nitzana.

Sept 8, 1959 – Bedouins opened fire on an army bivouac in the Negev, killing an IDF officer, Captain Yair Peled.

Oct 3, 1959 – A shepherd from Kibbutz Heftziba was killed near Kibbutz Yad Hana.

Apr 26, 1960 – Terrorists killed a resident of Ashkelon south of the city.

Apr 12, 1962 – Terrorists fired on an Egged bus on the way to Eilat; one passenger was wounded.

Sept 30, 1962 – Two terrorists attacked an Egged bus on the way to Eilat. No one was wounded.

Jan 1, 1965 – Palestinian terrorists attempted to bomb the National Water Carrier. This was the first attack carried out by the PLO's Fatah faction.

May 31, 1965 – Jordanian Legionnaires fired on the neighborhood of Musrara in Jerusalem, killing two civilians and wounding four.

June 1, 1965 – Terrorists attack a house in Kibbutz Yiftach.

July 5, 1965 – A Fatah cell planted explosives at Mitzpe Massua, near Beit Guvrin; and on the railroad tracks to Jerusalem near Kafr Battir.

Aug 26, 1965 – A waterline was sabotaged at Kibbutz Manara, in the Upper Galilee.

Sept 29, 1965 – A terrorist was killed as he attempted to attack Moshav Amatzia.

Nov 7, 1965 – A Fatah cell that infiltrated from Jordan blew up a house in Moshav Givat Yeshayahu, south of Beit Shemesh. The house was destroyed, but the inhabitants were miraculously unhurt.

Apr 25, 1966 – Explosions placed by terrorists wounded two civilians and damaged three houses in Moshav Beit Yosef, in the Beit Shean Valley.

May 16, 1966 – Two Israelis were killed when their jeep hit a terrorist landmine, north of the Sea of Galilee and south of Almagor. Tracks led into Syria.

July 13, 1966 – Two soldiers and a civilian were killed near Almagor, when their truck struck a terrorist landmine.

July 14, 1966 – Terrorists attacked a house in Kfar Yuval, in the North.

July 19, 1966 – Terrorists infiltrated into Moshav Margaliot on the northern border and planted nine explosive charges.

Oct 27, 1966 – A civilian was wounded by an explosive charge on the railroad tracks to Jerusalem.

dan perman   November 24th, 2008 9:43 pm ET

Gaza is blockaded, israel is starving the people. this is the lie told by the arab media and many "informed" people on this blog.

but what is the truth? See below, just half of June 2008, a really effective blockade:

June 18, 2008
74 trucks carrying 1,493 tons of food, medicines, and materials for essential infrastructures transferred their goods to the Gaza Strip at the Sufa crossing.

90,000 liters of diesel fuel for the power station, 90,000 liters for transportation and 70 tons of cooking gas were transferred to the Gaza Strip via the Nahal Oz depot, despite the closing of the terminal in the morning because of a terror shooting at Israeli civilians engaged in engineering work near the border fence.

50 people (patients and their companions) crossed into Israel via the Erez crossing for medical treatment.

June 17, 2008
67 trucks carrying 1,377 tons of food, medicines and medical equipment, and materials for essential infrastructures transferred their goods to the Gaza Strip at the Sufa crossing. The Nahal Oz fuel depot was closed due to the increase in terrorist alerts and incidents there.

34 people (patients and their companions) crossed into Israel via the Erez crossing for medical treatment.

June 16, 2008
180,000 liters of diesel fuel for the power station and 130,000 liters for transportation were transferred to the Gaza Strip via the Nahal Oz depot.

June 15, 2008
17 trucks delivered 456 tons of food to the Gaza Strip via Sufa crossing. At the Nahal Oz fuel depot, 212,000 liters of diesel fuel for the power station were transferred from Israel to the Gaza Strip.

In addition, 53 people (patients and their companions) crossed into Israel at the Erez crossing for medical treatment.

June 13, 2008
51 trucks carrying mostly food products were transferred from Israel to the Gaza Strip via the Sufa crossing. Via the Nahal Oz crossing, 510,000 liters of diesel fuel for the power station, 130,000 liters of diesel fuel for transportation, and 173 tons of gas were delivered.

In addition, 55 people (patients and their companions) crossed into Israel via Erez crossing for medical treatment.

June 11, 2008
38 trucks carrying fruit and vegetables and other food products as well as materials for humanitarian infrastructure were transferred from Israel to the Gaza Strip via the Sufa crossing.

In addition, 54 people (patients and their companions) crossed into Israel via Erez crossing for medical treatment.

June 10, 2008
59 trucks carrying food, materials needed for infrastructures, and medications were transferred from Israel to the Gaza Strip via the Sufa crossing. 24 trucks carrying 888 tons of grain were transferred via the Karni crossing. Via the Nahal Oz crossing, 280,000 liters of diesel fuel for the power station, 100,000 liters of diesel fuel for transportation, and 88 tons of gas were delivered.

In addition, 66 people (patients and their companions) crossed into Israel via Erez crossing for medical treatment.

June 8, 2008
521,800 liters of fuel and 84 tons of heating gas were transported via the Nahal Oz terminal.

In addition, 10 people (patients and companions) crossed into Israel from the Gaza Strip via the Erez crossing for medical treatment.

June 4, 2008
50 trucks carrying food and hygiene products were transferred from Israel to the Gaza Strip via Sufa crossing. 64 trucks carrying 2,409 tons of wheat, corn, soy beans and animal feed were transferred via the Karni crossing. Cooking gas was transferred via the Nahal Oz fuel depot.

In addition, 17 people (patients and companions) crossed into Israel from the Gaza Strip via the Erez crossing for medical treatment.

June 4, 2008
Medical evacuation: A Palestinian worker was critically wounded by a mortar bomb fired by Palestinian terrorists towards the Nahal Oz fuel depot. He was rushed to hospital in Gaza City. Due to the critical wounds the worker suffered and the deterioration of his condition, an urgent request was forwarded to the Israeli Coordination & Liaison Administration at the Erez crossing, to refer the wounded man for further treatment in Israel.

Colonel Nir Press, Head of Israel's Coordination and Liaison Administration at Erez Crossing, approved the evacuation to Barzilai Hospital in Ashkelon as per the request. Co. Press stated that evening: "The attack earlier today caused the casualty of one Palestinian, and ultimately forced the early cessation of pumping of fuel and gas. The Hamas campaign against the Gaza Strip crossings primarily inflicts suffering on the people of the Gaza Strip."

June 3, 2008
60 trucks carrying food, and raw materials for essential infrastructures were transferred to the Gaza Strip via Sufa crossing. At the Nahal Oz fuel depot, 261 tons of gas and 1.124 million liters of fuel for transportation and electricity were transferred.

In addition, 32 people (patients and companions) crossed into Israel for medical treatment.

June 2, 2008
64 trucks carrying rice, vegetables, meat/chicken/fish, dairy and other food products, and raw materials for essential infrastructures were transferred to the Gaza Strip via Sufa crossing. 71 trucks carrying 2,577 tons of wheat, soy beans, corn and animal feed were transferred via the Karni grain depot. At the Nahal Oz fuel depot, 260,410 liters of fuel for transportation and 732,400 liters of fuel for the power station, and 210 tons of heating and cooking gas were transferred to the Gaza Strip.

In addition, 13 people (patients and companions) crossed into Israel via the Erez crossing for medical treatment.

June 1, 2008
30 trucks carrying vegetables, meat/chicken/fish, dairy and other food products, medications and medical equipment, and raw materials for essential infrastructures were transferred to the Gaza Strip via Sufa crossing. 64 trucks carrying 2,500 tons of wheat, soy beans, corn and animal feed were transferred via the Karni grain depot. At the Nahal Oz fuel depot, 1.038 million liters of fuels and 262 tons of gas were transferred to the Gaza Strip.

In addition, 29 people (patients and companions) crossed into Israel via the Erez crossing for medical treatment.

May 28, 2008
71 trucks carrying 2,610 tons of wheat, soy and animal feed were transferred to the Gaza Strip via the Karni conveyor. Via the Nahal Oz depot, 110 tons of cooking and heating gas were transferred. This week, 70,030 liters of petrol (out of 75,400 allocated), 693,450 liters of transportation fuel (out of 800,000) and 2,097,400 (out of 2,200,000) liters of diesel fuel for the power station were transferred.

In addition, 87 people (patients and companions) crossed into Israel on May 28 for medical treatment.

May 27, 2008
62 trucks carrying 1,260 tons of wheat, 72 tons of barley and 900 tons of animal feed were transferred to the Gaza Strip via the Karni grain depot. 72 trucks with food, hygiene products, medicines and supplies for essential infrastructures were transferred to the Gaza Strip via Sufa crossing. Via the Nahal Oz fuel depot, 70,030 liters of petrol, 253 tons of gas, 155,000 liters of fuel for transportation and 736,200 liters of fuel for the power station were transferred.

In addition, eight people crossed into Israel for medical treatment.

May 26, 2008
66 trucks carrying baby food, agricultural produce and equipment, meat/chicken/fish, dairy products and other food, medicines, and supplies for essential infrastructures were transferred to the Gaza Strip via Sufa crossing. 170 tons of gas and 1.01 million liters of diesel fuel were transferred via Nahal Oz.

In addition, 27 people (patients and their companions) crossed into Israel for medical treatment.

May 25, 2008
75 truckloads (2690 tons) of wheat, barley, corn, soy, sesame seeds and animal feed were transferred from Israel to the Gaza Strip via the Karni grain depot. 66 truckloads of agriculture produce, meat/chicken/fish, dairy products, other food, supplies for essential infrastructures and medical equipment were transferred via Sufa crossing. 245 tons of gas, 270,420 liters of fuel for transportation and 619,200 liters of fuel for the power station were transferred via the Nahal Oz depot.

May 23, 2008
During the week 18-23 May, 300,000 liters of fuel were transferred via the Nahal Oz depot into the Gaza Strip for the use of UNWRA. 43,010 liters of gasoline and 159 tons of gas were transferred; 1,116,830 liters of fuel for transportation (more than the 800,000 liters allocated), and 2,177,200 liters of fuel (out of the 2,200,000 liters allocated) for the power station were transferred.

May 22, 2008
The truck bomb attack on the Erez crossing prevented 31 Palestinians from receiving medical treatment in Israel.

May 14, 2008:
59 trucks with food, medical supplies, and agricultural produce and equipment were transferred to the Gaza Strip via the Sufa crossing point. 88 tons of gas and 469,000 liters of diesel fuel were transferred via the Nahal Oz depot. From May 11 to May 16, 1.957 million liters of fuel for power plants were transferred, out of the 2.2 million liters allocated weekly.

In addition, 36 people (patients and companions) crossed from the Gaza Strip into Israel for medical treatment.

May 13, 2008:
65 humanitarian aid trucks carrying baby food, agricultural produce, meat & fish, hygienic products, milk products, salt & sugar, medical equipment and medicines, oil, flour and yeast were transferred to the Gaza Strip via the Sufa crossing point.

In addition, 65 people (patients and companions) crossed into Israel from the Gaza Strip for medical treatment via Erez crossing.

May 12-13, 2008
Fuels: 81,000 liters of fuel for transportation, 1.488 million liters of diesel fuel for power plants and 418 tons of gas for cooking and heating were transferred via the Nahal Oz crossing.

May 12, 2008
71 truckloads of humanitarian aid (food, hygiene products, tools and raw materials for infrastructures) were transferred via the Sufa crossing.

In addition, 49 people (patients and companions) crossed into Israel from the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

May 11, 2008:
69 humanitarian aid trucks carrying wheelchairs, walking sticks, additional medical equipment, food supplies and camping equipment were transferred to the Gaza Strip via Sufa crossing point.

In addition, 83 people (patients and companions) crossed from the Gaza Strip into Israel for medical treatment.

May 4-9, 2008:
204 trucks delivered food, medications and materials for essential infrastructures designated for the Gaza Strip via the Sufa crossing.

2.407 million liters of fuel (75,000 liters petrol, 413,000 liters diesel fuel for transportation and 1,919,000 liters for the power station) were transferred to the Gaza Strip via Nahal Oz fuel depot.

May 4, 2008:
70 humanitarian aid trucks carrying vaccines, electric wires, hygiene and food products and other materials were transferred to the Gaza Strip via the Sufa crossing point; 27 trucks carrying grains and coffee were transferred via the Karni crossing; 120 tons (5 tankers) of heating gas and 560,000 liters (11 tankers) of fuel were transferred via the Nahal Oz crossing.

In addition, 57 people (patients and companions) crossed into Israel from Gaza for medical treatment.

April 30, 2008

Approximately 64 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via Sufa crossing. The assistance was organized with the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories.

The following is a list of supplies transferred: diapers, fruit, meat, flour, corn, oil, cocoa powder, dairy products, sugar, toilet paper, garlic, fish, ful, carrots, nylon bags, hatching eggs, cleaning products and medical equipment.

April 23, 2008

(Week of the Passover festival) Approximately 85 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via Sufa crossing. In addition, 1 million liters of fuel were transferred via Nahal-Oz. The assistance was organized with the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories.

The following is a list of supplies transferred through Sufa crossing: oil, paper, meat, nylon bags used for greenhouses, rice, fruit, juice, sugar, milk, dairy products, flour, washing powder, salt, cleaning products, medical equipment, fish, fuel, disposable dishes, pasta, conserves, vegetables and humus.

April 17, 2008

Approximately 27 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Kerem Shalom crossing before it was forced to close due to the attack on the crossing. Supplies transferred through the Kerem Shalom crossing: oil, paper, meat, nylon bags used for greenhouses, rice, fruit and halva.

In addition, 800,000 liters of diesel fuel for heating and 240,000 tons of gas were transferred via Nahal Oz, which also closed during the afternoon after Palestinian snipers fired at the crossing.

April 16, 2008

Approximately 95 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Kerem Shalom and Sufa Crossings:

59 trucks via the Sufa Crossing containing: cleaning products, rice, dairy products, fruit, sugar, humus, meat, spices, flour, salt, garlic, fish, starch, hypochlorite, fennel, peas, pasta, hatching eggs and disposable plates.
36 trucks, including 11 donated by Egypt, via the Kerem Shalom crossing containing: oil, paper, disposable dishes, medical equipment, diapers, preservatives, nylon bags, gloves, drip irrigation system and pipes.
The supply of diesel fuel for the Gaza power plant and cooking gas was resumed at 14:30 through the Nahal Oz fuel terminal.
The fuel depot is 70% full (188,000 liters of gasoline and 820,000 liters of diesel fuel). The Palestinians in Gaza have refrained for the last two weeks from providing this available fuel to the Palestinian people.
April 15, 2008

Approximately 100 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Kerem Shalom and Sufa Crossings:

67 trucks through the Sufa Crossing containing: drippers, seeds, cleaning products, rice, sugar, meat, flour, salt, fruit, carrots, garlic, corn, pasta, fruit, humus, eggs, cinnamon, fish and cloth.
33 trucks through the Kerem Shalom crossing containing: medications, mushrooms, bandages, bottles, cloths, diapers, canned food, oil, toilet paper, timber and cable clips.
April 14, 2008

Defense Minister Ehud Barak ordered the renewal of diesel shipments to Gaza's power station. Only the minimal amount required to maintain the station's operations, determined in the past, will be transferred. Israel will also allow shipments of cooking gas. At this stage, gasoline and diesel fuel will not be supplied for transportation needs. The supply of fuel will begin on Wednesday, April 16, after the completion of security arrangements between the IDF and Dor Energy.

Approximately 123 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Kerem Shalom, Karni and Sufa Crossings:

54 trucks trough the Sufa Crossing containing: medications, cleaning products, rice, sugar, meat, dairy products, washing powder, flour, salt, fruit, carrots, halva, starch, eggs, cinnamon, yeast, fish and cloth.
51 trucks through the Karni crossing containing: wheat, barley, soy, lentils and sesame.
18 trucks through the Kerem Shalom crossing containing: medical equipment, medications, electrical equipment, conserves, paper, nylon, diapers, toilet paper, oil, wood for greenhouses, pumps and drip irrigation system.
April 13, 2008
87 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Sufa and Kerem Shalom crossings. The supplies included rice, vegetables, meat/chicken/fish, other food stuffs, and hygiene products.

In addition, 71 people (patients and companions) crossed into Israel from the Gaza Strip for medical treatment via Erez crossing.

April 9, 2008

Approximately 95 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Kerem Shalom and Sufa Crossings:

55 trucks through the Sufa Crossing containing: salt, carrot, fruit, rice, sugar, spices, dairy products, meat, flour, garlic, fish, pasta, frozen vegetables, coffee, cleaning products, hatching eggs.
30 trucks through the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing: oil, rice, medical equipments, diapers, cleaning products, toilet paper, shampoo and soap.
10 trucks donated by Egypt, through the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing: flour and sugar.
April 8, 2008

Approximately 90 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Kerem Shalom and Sufa Crossings:

61 trucks through the Sufa Crossing containing: baby formula, salt, rice, fruit, flour, dairy products, sugar, garlic, carrots, milk powder, frozen vegetables, cardamon, eggs, fish, food additives, humus and tea.
29 trucks through the Karni Crossing containing: medicine and medical equipment, boiler for a hospital, oil, nylon bags, cleaning products, yeast, shampoo, toilet paper, halva and tehina.
In addition, 655,000 liters (13 tankers) of fuel and 282 tons of heating gas (11 tankers) were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
April 7, 2008

Approximately 128 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Kerem Shalom, Sufa and Karni Crossings:

56 trucks through the Sufa Crossing containing: salt, tea, garlic, sugar, carrot, apples, dairy products, meat, fish, hatching eggs, animal vitamins.
40 trucks through the Karni Crossing containing: wheat, cumin, sesame, coriander, barley.
32 trucks through the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing: soy, yeast, salt, cleaning products, toilet paper, soap, hair shampoo & conditioner.
In addition, 650,000 liters (13 tankers) of fuels and 176 tons of heating gas (8 tankers) were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
April 6, 2008

Approximately 76 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Kerem Shalom and Sufa Crossings:

60 trucks through the Sufa Crossing containing: books, baby kits, food kits, fruit, rice, oil, meat, milk, flour, red pepper, eggs and tea.
16 trucks through the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing: wheel chairs, sugar, flour and other basic food products.
In addition, 705,000 liters (15 tankers) of fuels and 177 tons of heating gas (7 tankers) were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
April 3, 2008

Approximately 100 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Kerem Shalom and Sufa Crossings:

63 trucks through the Sufa Crossing containing: fruit, rice, sugar, dairy products, meat, fish, flour, garlic, medicine, cocoa powder, carrot, yeast, hatching eggs.
37 trucks through the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing: rice, sugar, coffee, oil, flour, pasta, tea, toilet paper, cleaning products, diapers, medicine.
April 2, 2008

Approximately 111 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Kerem Shalom, Sufa and Karni Crossings:

59 trucks through the Sufa Crossing containing: fruit, rice, sugar, dairy products, garlic, meat, flour, paper, medicine, salt, meat preservatives, cocoa powder, fish, pasta and yeast.
27 trucks through the Karni Crossing containing: wheat and construction materials.
25 trucks through the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing: school equipment, shampoo, toilet paper, washing powder, soap, diapers, oil, rice and wet wipes.
April 1, 2008

Approximately 138 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Kerem Shalom, Sufa and Karni Crossings:

51 trucks through the Karni Crossing containing: wheat, sesame, corn, coffee, soy.
56 trucks through the Sufa Crossing containing: fruit, rice, sugar, dairy products, meat, fish, flour, carrot, garlic, pasta, cleaning products, school books.
18 trucks through the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing: soap, rice, meat, oil, sugar, coffee, animal vitamins.
13 trucks donated by Egypt, through the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing rice and sugar.
In addition, 746,000 liters (15 tankers) of fuel and 273 tons of heating gas (11 tankers) were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
March 30, 2008

Approximately 78 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via Kerem Shalom and Sufa Crossings:

57 trucks through the Sufa Crossing containing: powdered milk, dairy products, sugar, cleaning products, washing powder, fruit, rice, fish, meat, flour, coffee, vitamins, carrots, garlic and reproduction eggs.
21 trucks through the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing: washing powder, cleaning products, oil, nylon, plastic bags, diapers, hygiene products, jam, shampoo and medicine.
In addition, 687,000 liters (15 tankers) of fuel and 300 tons of heating gas (12 tankers) were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
March 28, 2008

A total of 502 tons of humanitarian aid and fuel were transported.

Sufa Crossing – 18 trucks were unloaded.
Kerem Shalom Crossing – 24 trucks were unloaded.
March 26, 2008

139 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today:

43 trucks via the Karni crossing grain conveyor carrying 1,548 tons of wheat, barley, corn, soy and animal feed.
64 trucks through the Sufa Crossing containing: sugar, powdered milk, bananas, dairy products, meat/fish, fruit, carrots, salt, coffee, flour, rice, garlic, frozen vegetables, medical equipment.
32 trucks through the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing: oil, pasta, rice, sugar, coffee, ketchup, mayonnaise, soap, diapers, shampoo, toilet paper.
691,000 liters (15 tankers) of fuel and 282 tons of heating gas (11 tankers) were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
In addition, 86 people (patients and companions) crossed into Israel for medical treatment via the Erez crossing.
March 25, 2008

Approximately 149 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Kerem Shalom, Sufa and Karni Crossings:

26 trucks through the Kerem Shalom Crossing and 49 trucks through the Sufa Crossing containing: cocoa, powered milk, jam, oil, peas, tissue, diapers, toilet paper, medical supplies.
65 trucks through the Karni Crossing containing: wheat, corn, sesame, grains.
58 trucks through the Sufa Crossing containing: dairy products, sugar, fruit, meat, rice, flour, oil, carrots, pasta, garlic, fish, reproduction eggs, salt, tea, medical supplies, ketchup, vegetables.
In addition, 668,000 liters (14 tankers) of fuel and 356 tons of heating gas (12 tankers) were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
March 24, 2008

Approximately 164 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Kerem Shalom, Sufa and Karni Crossings:

37 trucks through the Kerem Shalom Crossing and 49 trucks through the Sufa Crossing containing: rice, fruit, fish, meat, chicken, dairy products, salt, sugar, flour, oil, medicine.
5 trucks donated by Egypt, through the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing: flour and rice.
73 trucks through the Karni Crossing containing: wheat, corn, sesame, grains.
In addition, 651,000 liters (14 tankers) of fuel and 326 tons of heating gas (11 tankers) were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
March 23, 2008

Approximately 74 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Kerem Shalom and Sufa Crossings:

24 trucks through the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing: reproduction eggs, frozen vegetables, dairy products, fish, meat, beans, halvah, toilet paper, and diapers.
50 trucks through the Sufa Crossing containing: coffee, rice, flour, salt, sugar, peas, fruit, and oil.
March 20, 2008

Approximately 112 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Kerem Shalom and Karni Crossings:

45 trucks through the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing toilet paper, medical supplies, electronic supplies, oil, meat, frozen vegetables, flour, and fruit.
67 trucks through the Karni Crossing containing wheat and corn.
March 19, 2008

Approximately 39 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip via the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing: diapers, toilet paper, medical supplies, oil, pasta, fish, meat, frozen vegetables, rice and tea.

March 18, 2008

A total of 3,401 tons of humanitarian aid and fuel were transported.

79 trucks through the Karni Crossing conveyer containing: wheat, corn and animal feed.
Kerem Shalom Crossing – 34 trucks were unloaded.
In addition, 635,000 liters (14 tankers) of fuel and 242 tons of heating gas (12 tankers) were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
March 17, 2008

Approximately 147 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Kerem Shalom, Sufa and Karni Crossings:

55 trucks through the Sufa Crossing containing: meat, fruit, sugar, diapers, flour, peas, oil, carrot, coffee, fish, rice, garlic.
64 trucks through the Karni Crossing containing: wheat, grains, sesame, corn, barley.
8 trucks through the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing: diapers, toilet paper, tea, soup, medication, blankets and 20 trucks of food donated by Egypt.
March 16, 2008

Approximately 65 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip via the Kerem Shalom and Sufa Crossings:

11 trucks through the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing: toilet paper and diapers.
54 trucks through the Sufa Crossing containing: sugar, flour, salt, fruit, powdered milk, hatching eggs, cocoa, ketchup, mayonnaise, & food preservatives.
In addition, 679,000 liters (15 tankers) of fuels and 334 tons of heating gas (12 tankers) were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
March 14, 2008

20 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies with a total weight of 301 tons were transferred into the Gaza Strip today via the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing: vitamins, diapers, toilet paper, fruit, oil, frozen meat, tea, coffee, powdered milk, hatching eggs, corn, pasta, carrots and tahini.
March 13, 2008

Approximately 152 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip via the Kerem Shalom, Sufa and Karni Crossings:

59 trucks through Sufa Crossing containing: meat, fruit, sugar, bananas, flour, coffee, garlic, oil, pasta, carrots.
73 trucks through the Karni Crossing conveyer containing: wheat, grains, barley.
20 trucks through the Kerem Shalom Crossing containing: diapers, pasta, tea, oil, toilet paper, fish, medicine, meat preservatives.
March 12, 2008

A total of 1,567 tons of humanitarian aid and fuel were transported.

Sufa Crossing – 54 trucks were unloaded.
Kerem Shalom Crossing – 22 trucks were unloaded.
In addition, 640,000 liters (14 tankers) of fuel and 248 tons of heating gas (14 tankers) were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
March 11, 2008

A total of 3,877 tons of humanitarian aid and fuel were transported.

Sufa Crossing – 72 trucks were unloaded.
Kerem Shalom Crossing – 21 trucks were unloaded.
Karni Crossing conveyer – 61 trucks were unloaded (2,800 tons of wheat, legumes, corn and animal feed)
In addition, 695,000 liters (15 tankers) of fuel and 320 tons of heating gas (12 tankers) were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
March 10, 2008

A total of 3,810 tons of humanitarian aid and fuel were transported.

Sufa Crossing – 59 trucks were unloaded.
Kerem Shalom Crossing – 5 trucks were unloaded.
Karni Crossing conveyer – 81 trucks were unloaded (2,800 tons of wheat, legumes, sesame seeds, corn and animal feed)
In addition, 695,000 liters (15 tankers) of fuel and 320 tons of heating gas (12 tankers) were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
March 9, 2008

A total of 1,248 tons of humanitarian aid and fuel were transported.

Sufa Crossing – 55 trucks were unloaded.
Kerem Shalom Crossing – 23 trucks were unloaded.
In addition, 681,000 liters (15 tankers) of fuel and 272 tons of heating gas (13 tankers) were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
March 7, 2008

A total of 906 tons of humanitarian aid and fuel were transported.

Sufa Crossing – 30 trucks were unloaded.
Kerem Shalom Crossing – 8 trucks were unloaded.
In addition, 225 tons of heating gas (10 tankers) were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
March 6, 2008

About 160 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies are being transferred into the Gaza Strip via the Kerem Shalom, Karni and Sufa Crossings.

63 trucks passed through Sufa Crossing containing: flour, fruit, sugar, cooking oil, frozen meat and fish.
19 trucks (donated by Egypt) passed through Kerem Shalom Crossing containing: rice, sugar, oil and dairy products.
Approximately 80 trucks passed through the Karni Crossing containing grain.
March 5, 2008

About 70 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip via the Kerem Shalom and Sufa Crossings:

63 trucks passed through the Sufa Crossing containing: fruit, sugar, humus, flour, coffee, baby formula and oxygen masks.
6 trucks passed through the Kerem Shalom crossing containing: oil, flour, beans and tomato sauce.
In addition, 25 Palestinians entered Israel for medical treatment in Israeli hospitals.
4 March 2008

About 160 trucks of humanitarian aid and supplies were transferred into the Gaza Strip via the Karni and Sufa crossings, as well as the reopened Kerem Shalom crossing.

Sufa Crossing:

12 trucks of medicines and medical supplies (including one UNRWA truck)
9 trucks of meat, fish and frozen vegetables
8 trucks of fruit
7 trucks of flour, oil and sugar
5 trucks of dairy products
18 trucks of flour, oil and humus donated by the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO)
Kerem Shalom Crossing:

8 trucks of sugar
2 trucks of rice
4 trucks of oil
4 trucks of rice and oil
4 trucks of rice and sugar
Karni Crossing:

80 trucks of grain
March 3, 2008

A total of 4,073 tons of humanitarian aid and fuel were transported.

Sufa Crossing – 60 trucks were unloaded.
Karni Crossing conveyer – 76 trucks were unloaded (2,700 tons of wheat and animal feed)
In addition, 1,014 liters (21 tankers) of fuels and 300 tons of heating gas (7 tankers) were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
March 2, 2008

A total of 1,152 tons of humanitarian aid and fuel were transported.

Sufa Crossing – 55 trucks were unloaded.
In addition, 918,000 liters (19 tankers) of fuel and 169 tons of heating gas (7 tankers) were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
Feb 29, 2008

400,000 liters (18 tankers) of fuels were transported through the Nahal Oz Crossing.
Feb 27, 2008

A total of 3,924 tons of humanitarian aid and supplies were transported.

Sufa Crossing – 60 trucks were unloaded.
Karni Crossing conveyer – 73 trucks were unloaded (2,600 tons of wheat and animal feed)

Solomon   November 24th, 2008 10:08 pm ET

John wayne.

I like the way you express your self it shows how empty your brain is.

Solomon   November 24th, 2008 10:23 pm ET

dan perman.

all the acts of terror that you posted combined, is smaller than any of the hundreds of terrorist acts by Israel against the Palestinians.I will not post these terrorist acts like you did because no one will read them. I will talk about them at the right time.

these acts are by desperate people who lost every thing to Jewish thieves. but the terror of Israel is a state terrorism that kill hundreds at a time.

as for the blockade of Gaza I dont think that the Nazis went that low. this is a trade mark that should be registered for the Zionists killing children by cutting off food and medical supplies and heating oil to them.

Solomon   November 24th, 2008 10:33 pm ET

a very good Friend of Israel who once said that Israel and the US are more than two friends .

Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter called the blockade imposed on the Gaza Strip a "crime and an atrocity" on Thursday, and said U.S. attempts to undermine the Islamist movement Hamas had been counterproductive.

cnnhala   November 25th, 2008 3:12 am ET

A reminder to all of our readers. All comments containing inappropriate or vulgar language will be deleted. Thanks, Hala

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 3:32 am ET

thank you Hala .two more posts by John Wayne you should take a look at

miriam   November 25th, 2008 5:06 am ET

Right, Syria and Lebanon were not states either until they gained independence.
Countries in the world have all kind of criteria for citizenship. If you don't speak English or French you won't be accepted by Canada and that's after rigorous background tests. If you are Jewish you can't live in Jordan. If I have proof that I had ancestors who lived in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine, Germany, Spain, North Africa, Yemen etc who were kicked out, I don't think they would grant me citizenship.

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 5:34 am ET

Mariam what are you trying to say.?

I am talking about Palestinian rights in their country and you are talking about criteria for citizenship.these people were there long before there was an Israel they are the owners of that land before the Zionist Jews occupied it by force and start bringing people from all over the world to take the land . its funny when you compare a country that respect human rights and human dignity like Canada to a racist outlaw state like Israel.

only the former south Africa can be compared to Israel.

miriam   November 25th, 2008 7:03 am ET

Try and explain that to Jewish, Muslim, Sikh and Hindu schools in Ontario. Or the Inuit in Nunavut.

Beny   November 25th, 2008 8:03 am ET

Solomon

"notice the contradiction"

There is no contradiction. The land was completely empty, but still belonged to the Arabs and had to be bought.

Of course there were Arabs here before we came, and there were Jews here long before the Arabs came, and other unrelated tribes before that. We have just as much a right to this land as you do.

Beny   November 25th, 2008 8:04 am ET

There was no Palestinian state here. Ever.

Beny   November 25th, 2008 8:05 am ET

I repeat the simple truth. There was no Palestinian state here. Ever.

dan perman   November 25th, 2008 8:07 am ET

miriam

you will never get a logical, reasoned reply based on verifyable facts from the guy who calls himself solomon.

he completely disregarded my introduction to the arab terror acts which clearly exposed the arab lie that terror started after the 1967 war.

he completely disregarded my post showing how much food, medicines and fuel was sent to gaza in only two weeks in June.

he will never relate to verifyable facts, will always ignore anything that proves him wrong and use quotes by people who exploit the israeli democratic system to try and show that he is right

I wonder whether he knows what would happen to anyone in, say syria, who would dare to openly criticize the regime?

I guess he does not, and does not care either.

I suggest to simply ignore the ignoramus, there is no fact that can persuade him of his mistakes, no truth he will accept if it does not fit his view

Beny   November 25th, 2008 8:23 am ET

Ouch, sorry for the double comment.

Adnan,

First of all, bold letters are done with HTML tags: "" in the beginning and "" in the end. Sorry for the clumsiness, it's hard not to activate them.

Second, I'm glad you accept the fact that what Hamas is doing is wrong.
The key is to understanding this conflict is realizing that Hamas's actions are wrong towards the Palestinians as well.

Example: three days ago Barak (Ehud, not Obama) offered Hamas 24-hour complete opening of the passes, in exchange for 24-hours free of rockets. What did Hamas do? Shoot more rockets, of course.

Israel is a "pain in the ass" only to people who don't recognize its right to exist, such as Hamas and Iran, and those are more dangerous to their fellow Muslims than to us.

Dan,
Thank you for the wonderful examples, but I don't think that Solomon will even bother to read through them.

http://www.israelibeny.wordpress.com

Beny   November 25th, 2008 8:27 am ET

Adnan
Sorry for the wrong tags. Look up in Google: HTML tags

Adnan Husain Arab   November 25th, 2008 11:59 am ET

Miriam, Beny and Dan

“The estimated death toll from the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon was 18,000, about 0.5 percent of the population. Twenty-four years later, I have yet to hear any sign of remorse emanating from Israeli society. Nor were there any reparations for the carnage wrought by the Israeli Army. When the Israeli press, politicians and intellectuals speak with regret about the “Lebanon War,” it is usually to say the cost to Israel was too high or to point out that the invasion failed to achieve its objectives. The Lebanese fatalities are rarely discussed.”
This is taken from an article by Abbas El-Zein “ Tribes of War” published in NY Times
link: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/27/opinion/27el-zein.html?ex=1311652800&en=85be3d9e21d07bad&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

“Sharon approved the entry of Phalange forces into the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps, provided them with light at night, and extended their stay in the camps. The Phalange proceeded to kill between 800 and 1,500 Palestinian and Lebanese civilians from 16 to 18 September. An Israeli commission of inquiry, the Kahan Commission (1983), found that Israeli officials, in particular Sharon and Eitan, were indirectly responsible for the killings. An international commission chaired by Sean MacBride charged that Israel was directly responsible because it had been the occupying power and had facilitated the actions of its ally. In 2001 both Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International called for an investigation of Ariel Sharon's involvement into the Sabra and Shatila massacres.
In late September 1982 the IDF evacuated Beirut and were replaced by the multilateral force that included the U.S. Marines. The Arab – Israel War of 1982 was costly for all involved. According to Lebanese authorities, 17,825 Lebanese and Palestinians were killed, 84 percent of whom were civilians. Israel lost more than 1,000 soldiers by 2000, and spent $3 billion on the three-month operation. The war hurt Israel's international image and divided its own people; 400,000 Israelis (8 percent of the population) demonstrated against the war.”

Taken from article in Answers.com

Dan your elaborate day by day “terrorist” attacks are a joke in front of what Israel did in 1982. Let me analyse your data against mine:

You have cited approximately 40 incidences. I am giving you only 1.

Time duration of both incidences: approximately 19 years against 3 months (if you consider the refuge camps invasion 2 days!!)

Deaths: Your incidences, 84 deaths and 61 wounded (including guards, policemen and IDF personnel, my example approx 18,000 deaths (84% civilians)

As for “no” Palestinian state, goto answers.com and search for Palestinians, the article is even handed.

“...from 1876 to 1917, the Palestinians shared a common cultural heritage shaped primarily by the values of the Arab and Muslim empires that had ruled the country with few interruptions from 638 C.E. To 1917.”

“In 1897 the Basel program of the first Zionist Congress strongly affected the Palestinians. The program fixed the Zionist goal: "To create for the Jewish people a home in Palestine, secured by public law." This ushered in the first phase of a protracted struggle between indigenous Palestinians and Jewish immigrants.”

“...Zionists sought to change the status quo through mass immigration and land acquisition. The Jewish population in Palestine rose from 9.7 percent in 1919 to 35.1 percent in 1946, and Jewish-owned land increased from 2.04 percent of the total area of Palestine in 1919 to 7 percent in 1946. Meanwhile, British policy in the military sphere was aimed at disarming the Palestinians and arming the Jews. Thus, by 1947 the overall power equation was decisively in favor of the Zionists.”

"...United Nations (UN) divided Palestine into Jewish and Arab states in November 1947. The Palestinians rejected partition primarily because the UN proposed to give the Jews 55 percent of Palestine when Jewish ownership in November 1947 did not exceed 7 percent of the country's land. By contrast, the Jews found it in their interest to accept partition. Thus, the door for armed conflict in Palestine was wide open. A civil war between Jews and Palestinians followed the partition resolution. After the British left Palestine in May 1948, war, interspersed with cease-fires, continued until July 1949.
Units of armies and volunteers from neighboring Arab countries came to the aid of the Palestinians, who were losing the civil war and fleeing in large numbers. However, the Arab intervention was to no avail. The Jewish immigrant population was militarily superior to all the Arab soldiers combined. The Jews were also superior in terms of leadership, organization, and institutional links to the Western powers. In the end, the Zionists prevailed. Israel seized 77 percent of Palestine; about 726,000 Palestinians became refugees, many of them forcefully expelled by the Jewish forces while others fled out of fear. The Palestinians call this event al-Nakba, or the catastrophe."

http://www.answers.com/topic/palestinians

Jews against occupation: go through these links,

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/notjews.cfm

some important lines from the above link:

From ancient times, the relations between the Jewish and Islamic peoples have always been those of peace and brotherhood, and friendship always reigned between them. The proof of this is the fact that for centuries, in all the Arab lands, hundreds of thousands of Jews lived in honor and amidst mutual esteem.

The Holy Land was given to the Jewish people on the condition that they observe the Torah and its commandments. When they failed to do this, their sovereignty over the land was taken from them, and they went into exile. From that time, we are prohibited by the Torah with a very grave prohibition to establish a Jewish independent sovereignty in the Holy Land or anywhere throughout the world. Rather, we are obligated to be loyal to the nations under whose protection we dwell.
This situation has existed for close to 2000 years when the Jewish people were dispersed throughout all corners of the world. During this time, the Jews always remained faithful to the country in which they lived.

The Zionists have no right of any sovereignty over even one inch of the Holy Land. They do not represent the Jewish people in any way whatsoever. They have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people. Therefore, their words, declarations and actions are not in any way representative of the Jewish people. This is because the Zionists' seizing of power over the Holy Land is antithetical to Jewish law, and also because the Zionists do not behave like Jews at all rather, they desecrate the sanctity of the land.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5154838.stm
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/demonstrations/20080603.cfm
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/demonstrations/20080728.cfm
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Demonstrations/20080629.cfm

this one even shocked me:
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Demonstrations/20080925.cfm

Peace, please!

debs   November 25th, 2008 3:32 pm ET

Salam Aleikum, Solomom, Adnan and all other readers

I have been reading over all of your posts. I am very shocked at some of the posts I am reading.

Firstly I am currently studying Middle Eastern and Arabic studies, and I must say that anyone who says Palestine did not exist is VERY WRONG. Please do not attack me for saying that.

Israelis also do have a right to be there too, but alot of all of the troubles is the ME is the Palestine not being recognised along with the other countries in the ME. Much more needs to be done to secure a Palestinian state. Israel was built on a Nation called Palestine, The UN divided up the land one side for Israelis the other for Arabs. Over the years borders have moved more Palestinian land was taken and even the UN voiced its concern when Israel did that. I AM NOT SAYING THAT ISRAEL DOES NOT have a right to exist but as a people who are free and supposedly values freedom, how then can you deny the right for Palestinians to exist.

SALAM, PLEASE

Beny   November 25th, 2008 4:04 pm ET

Adnan,

I've noticed that whenever I give you and Salmon facts that are not to your liking, that counter your systematic demonization of Israel, you conveniently change the subject.
You have not answered a single statement I've made in the last several posts, and I'm beginning to understand why.

You talk of the 1982 Lebanon war.
Need I remind you that it was after countless PLO attacks. They knew that, in Israel responding, Lebanese civilians would be killed. Only to show they care nothing about their brothers.

If you were to punch someone on the shoulder repeatedly for hours, even after many requests to cease (ceasefires that the PLO continually violated), after, when peace deals failed, many threats that the response will be painful, would you be surprised to get a punch in the face?

Somehow, the world always is.

It's become quite a routine: we are constantly attacked for years, but when our (forewarned) swift and painful response comes, everybody suddenly acts so surprised.

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 4:04 pm ET

I repeat the simple truth. There was no Palestinian state here. Ever.
Beny
and I repeat it again your lord promised you a land in Palestine and that was in 1917. remember it says PALESTINE.

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 4:10 pm ET

dan perman November 25th, 2008 807 GMT

miriam

you will never get a logical, reasoned reply based on verifyable facts from the guy who calls himself solomon.

he completely disregarded my post showing how much food, medicines and fuel was sent to gaza in only two weeks in June.

Dan and who gave you that right to count how many trucks goes to Gaza .without you knowing you are telling us that Gaza is a prison you should be ashamed of your selves.you are talking about a million and a half humans that are blockaded.

Shame on you if you know what humanity is all about.

miriam   November 25th, 2008 4:37 pm ET

Neturei karta are a small group of extemist , ultra-orthodox Jews. If you really understood what they were about, you wouldn't be quoting them.
Debs, you may be studying ME studies but that doesn't change the fact that Palestine was not a state. Yes, there were people who lived in Palestine, but they were never called a nation. Most of Palestine became Jordan and when the UN proposed partition of the remainder, the Arabs rejected it because they didn't want the Jews to have any.

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 4:40 pm ET

“The so-called ‘Palestinian autonomous areas’ are bantustans. These are restricted entities within the power structure of the Israeli apartheid system.”
- Nelson Mandela

Dan. is that your goal for Gaza and the west bank?

Beny   November 25th, 2008 4:51 pm ET

Solomon,

"remember it says PALESTINE."

It says PALESTINE because that's what the British called this land. Land, Solomon, not state.

There was never an independent self-ruling Arab state called "Palestine" here.

First it was just one province among many of the Ottoman Empire. When the latter fell apart, it was just a bunch of scattered Jews and Muslims living under the watchful eye of the British mandate. Prove me wrong.

PLEASE NOTE:
No one here or in the world denies the right of the local Arabs to their state. Though interesting what will set it apart from the dozens of others, I am no judge of this.

They have the right, and had the opportunity to fulfill this right (1947). Instead they attacked, backed by 3 neighboring countries.
Now today's Palestinians are paying for their 1947's Mufti's greed, stupidity and bloodthirst.

Shame that they try to repair it with violence.

Shalom Aleihem!

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 4:55 pm ET

Miriam.
again I ask you tell me where was Israel from 70AD to 1917?

show me one proof that Israel exist.

you say there were people who lived in Palestine. are you afraid of calling them Palestinians? if Syrians live in Syria Egyptians live in Egypt French live in France.why not Palestinians living in Palestine?

Neturei karta are a small group of extemist
.
can you please
Explain to us why they are extremists.

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 5:05 pm ET

First it was just one province among many of the Ottoman Empire. When the latter fell apart, it was just a bunch of scattered Jews and Muslims living under the watchful eye of the British mandate. Prove me wrong.

very easy to prove you wrong.

first there were only few thousand Jews living in Palestine or the Province as you called it compared to few hundred thousand Palestinians.......... fewer Jews than what was in other provinces like Iraq........ Syria... Yemen. does that give you the right to claim these provinces as Jewish provinces too? you know that Jews lived in these places for hundreds of years.

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 5:11 pm ET

They have the right, and had the opportunity to fulfill this right (1947). Instead they attacked, backed by 3 neighboring countries

Beny it not they that attacked it is the European settlers that came from all over the world to attack the Palestinians.give me the name of one Jewish leader in 1948 that was born in Palestine or his parents were born in Palestine.

Beny   November 25th, 2008 5:20 pm ET

"Beny it not they that attacked it is the European settlers that came from all over the world to attack the Palestinians."

Lies, lies and you know it.

We came peacefully, bought empty lands from the Arabs and settled there without harm. When attacked, however, we did defend ourselves.

We agreed to the partition plan. Al-Husseini did not. He attacked us. Not we him. He also attacked the British here.
Later he was joined by Egypt and newky-formed Jordan and Syria, whose first international steps, it seemed, were that of war.

Beny   November 25th, 2008 5:24 pm ET

"very easy to prove you wrong" you said, and then went on to give completely unrelated blabber.

How does one word from what you said proves the existence of an independent Arab autonomy in here?

Listen to Miriam if not to me, or perhaps a normal history book.

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 5:24 pm ET

Lies, lies and you know it..

Beny

true true and you know it.

who are the Jewish leaders ? who was born in Palestine? are you afraid of answering these questions?

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 5:34 pm ET

Beny. I asked
first there were only few thousand Jews living in Palestine or the Province as you called it compared to few hundred thousand Palestinians………. fewer Jews than what was in other provinces like Iraq…….. Syria… Yemen. does that give you the right to claim these provinces as Jewish provinces too? you know that Jews lived in these places for hundreds of years

you still did not answer me.

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 5:36 pm ET

Beny I asked.

.give me the name of one Jewish leader in 1948 that was born in Palestine or his parents were born in Palestine.

I am still waiting for your answer.

dan perman   November 25th, 2008 5:38 pm ET

beny you are wrong, not theree armies invaded in 1948, but five!

Beny   November 25th, 2008 5:38 pm ET

"who are the Jewish leaders ? who was born in Palestine? are you afraid of answering these questions?"

No I'm not. True, most of our leaders were born in Europe. It does not however change anything of what I've said and is completely unrelated.

We came here in peace bought lands and settled quietly, the Arabs, realizing that Jews here threaten their complete dominion over the area, attacked us on sight. Ben-Gurion's birthplace does not change this simple truth.

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 5:42 pm ET

Miriam you said
.Neturei karta are a small group of extemist

I ask to please explain to us why they are extremists.

.

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 5:49 pm ET

beny you are wrong, not theree armies invaded in 1948, but five.

but you forget that these so called armies had a combined force of 45000 men facing a Jewish force of over 100000 men. they went to protect the Palestinians from Jewish terrorism at the time.not a fighting force by any standard, compared to Jews who served in German ,English,armies during the second world war.

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 5:53 pm ET

Beny you said

True, most of our leaders were born in Europe.

so these leaders were leading European to invade Palestine.
any other explanation?

Adnan Husain Arab   November 25th, 2008 5:56 pm ET

ENY

Thank you for that link. Here are some more facts from the same:

The reason give for Lebanon war is:

“The Government of Israel ordered the invasion as a response to the assassination attempt against Israel's ambassador to the United Kingdom, Shlomo Argov, by the Abu Nidal Organization.”

OTHER RELEVANT INFO:

“The Israeli command authorized the entrance of a force of approximately 150 Phalangist fighters' into the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps, claiming there was a remaining force of approximately "2000 PLO terrorists" in the camps. The result was a massacre of at least 800 civilians by the Phalangists, who themselves suffered only two casualties. Meanwhile, Israeli troops surrounded the camps with tanks and checkpoints, monitoring entrances and exits.[27] Further Israeli investigation by the Kahan Commission of Inquiry found that Ariel Sharon was indirectly responsible for failing to prevent the massacre, leading to his resignation as Israel's Defense Minister”

Casualties
“It is estimated that around 17,825 Lebanese were killed during the war, with differing estimates of the proportion of civilians killed. Beirut newspaper An Nahar estimated that 5,515 people, both military and civilian, were killed in the Beirut area only during the conflict, while 9,797 military personnel (PLO, Syrian, and others) and 2,513 civilians were killed outside of the Beirut area.[29] Approximately 675 Israeli soldiers were killed.”

Consequences

“The invasion is popularly held to be the major catalyst for the creation of the Iranian and Syrian supported Hezbollah organization, which by 1991 was the sole armed militia in Lebanon not supported by Israel and by 2000 had completely replaced the vanquished PLO in Southern Lebanon.”

“Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden said in a videotape released on the eve of the 2004 U.S. presidential elections that he was inspired to attack the buildings of the United States by the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon in which towers and buildings in Beirut were destroyed in the siege of the capital.”

So you say:
an attempt on your ambassador = (18,000 x 84%) or 15,120 muslim lives, and then you say let me (adnan) when I (Beny) have said that I argue in favour of killing innocent people...

SIR, you just did argue in favour of killing innocent people.

Peace

Beny   November 25th, 2008 6:05 pm ET

Solomon

It's interesting how you call peaceful and harmless settling an invasion "to invade Palestine",
yet a real joint invasion by 7 different countries in order to wipe us out completely suddenly becomes "protection of Palestinians"

Azam Pasha, Arab League Secretary General, proudly proclaimed the war aim of the Arabs, May 15, 1948. (Quoted in "New Dimensions" Jan. '91)

"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the crusades."

http://www.israelibeny.wordpress.com

Adnan Husain Arab   November 25th, 2008 6:06 pm ET

BENY

You have said nothing about the killings of the muslims!!!!???

Frankly I skipped some of th posts when you people were exchanging quotations.

Beny I think you have not followed the links that I have been giving all along, otherwise the least your could have agreed is that there was Palestine

And yes I assure you I will go through your questions and respond.

BUT still Beny, at least say Israel made a mistake in attacking Lebanon...

Miriam

I quoted the NK people cuz they are Jews. They are Jews right? Or you people don't accept them as Jews? Further, they have a convincing argument, don't they?

Peace

Adnan Husain Arab   November 25th, 2008 6:16 pm ET

Debs, walikum salam

Thank you for bring some sense in the blog! Even after giving third party evidences they are not satisfied. Little can be done to change their way of thinking...

Peace

Adnan Husain Arab   November 25th, 2008 6:32 pm ET

BENY

There is some thing wrong with your maths. 1st you say 3 armies. John and Dan corrects you by tell you 5 armies. You some how make it 7. Now I am also asking you please quote "5" armies. Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan and Lebanon came to the rescue of their Palestinian brothers.

Peace

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 7:10 pm ET

It’s interesting how you call peaceful and harmless settling an invasion “to invade Palestine”,

you steal a whole country from its inhabitant and you call this peaceful settling.

I dont think Azam pasha was around in 1991 and new dimensions was not around in 1948. quote me from another non Zionist site.

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 7:15 pm ET

Beny. I asked
first there were only few thousand Jews living in Palestine or the Province as you called it compared to few hundred thousand Palestinians………. fewer Jews than what was in other provinces like Iraq…….. Syria… Yemen. does that give you the right to claim these provinces as Jewish provinces too? you know that Jews lived in these places for hundreds of years

I am still waiting for you to answer Beny.

miriam   November 25th, 2008 7:17 pm ET

Neturei karta represent the extreme end of a spectrum of ideas. Just as Muslim extremists should be shunned, so should this group of Jews. And yes, many Jews don't consider them Jews just as moderate Muslims don't consider Bin Ladin et al, Muslim.
Solomon, I have already answered you and told you that there are libraries full of Jewish history. But if you want some homework, look up: Yochanan ben Zakkai and Yavneh, Bar Kochba, Jerusalem Talmud, Tiberius, Muslim taxation of dhimmis, Jewish defence of Jerusalem and Haifa against the Crusades, Cairo Geniza, Benjamin of Tudela, Ramban, Ovadiah Bartenura, Safed and Kabbalah, Shabbtai Zvi, first hebrew printing press, Moses Montefiore, Mikve Yisrael .....
Yitzchak Rabin was born in Jerusalem, 1922.

Beny   November 25th, 2008 7:33 pm ET

Adnan,

I will gladly answer any further accusations...tomorrow. And I suggest we move the discussion up to the first post.

For now, Good night, laila tov, and whatever nightly blessing is common in arabic.

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 8:06 pm ET

Yitzchak Rabin was born in Jerusalem, 1922

this was my question.

.give me the name of one Jewish leader in 1948 that was born in Palestine or his parents were born in Palestine..

Debs   November 25th, 2008 8:07 pm ET

Beny,

tus-bi-hu a'laa al-khayr..

Debs   November 25th, 2008 8:32 pm ET

Adnan, Soloman

Salam Aleikum,

I really am disturbed at the other readers lack of understanding the full situation. Nobody that has any humanity would support terrorism. We must address the fact that Palestine existed and still does. Has the violence started because of the way the Israelis have put down previous uprisings which have been peacefulso violently? Saying that Hamas is also showing it does not care very much for the Palestinians when they are blantantly firing misiles into southern Israel, regardless of who started the recent violence in Gaza, they should have shown restraint and not deliberatley targated civilians. So now we are faced with yet another humanitarian problem because of Israeli brut force of blockading aid and other lifeline supplies. Why collectivley punish civilians?

For peace to prevail the real problem needs to be addressed and a solution proposed and implemented.

Adnan and Solomon, (Solomon appologies, I hope you speak Arabic)

ma as-salaama
tus-bi-hu a'laa alkhayr.

dan perman   November 25th, 2008 9:05 pm ET

"From ancient times, the relations between the Jewish and Islamic peoples have always been those of peace and brotherhood, and friendship always reigned between them. "

yeah, like during the 1929 Hebron progrom

yesh, like the mufti of Jerusalem joining Hitler during the holocaust

peace and brotherhood to you too

dan perman   November 25th, 2008 9:08 pm ET

Adnan

"Dan your elaborate day by day “terrorist” attacks are a joke "\\you conveniently forget to relate to the first sentence in my post: the arabs always claim their terror against israel started with the 1967 occupation. I proved them wrong.

so stop counting and relate to the fact: the arabs lie when they claim that they only react to the 1967 occupation.

in any case, even the PLO was founded before 1967, anothe fact that belies arab claims

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 10:10 pm ET

yeah, like during the 1929 Hebron progrom.

Dan. did history start in 1929?

by the way more Palestinian died in 1929 than Jews and I have put the proof in front of every one few days ago.

dan perman   November 25th, 2008 10:22 pm ET

solomon

wrong again, your facts are not verifyable

YOU said:From ancient times, the relations between the Jewish and Islamic peoples have always been those of peace and brotherhood, and friendship always reigned between them. ”

I give examples which show you to be wrong, and all you can come up with is "history did not start in 1929"

very poor, solomon, extremely poor

dan perman   November 25th, 2008 10:31 pm ET

wikipedia:

The conflict began when Hezbollah militants purposely fired rockets at Israeli border towns as a diversion for an anti-tank missile attack on two armored Humvees patrolling the Israeli side of the border fence.[20] Of the seven Israeli soldiers in the two jeeps, two were wounded, three were killed, and two were captured and taken to Lebanon.[20] Five more were killed in a failed Israeli rescue attempt.

reference 20 is the New York Times

Solomon   November 25th, 2008 10:46 pm ET

Dan here is another side of the story.

July 7

The European Union, issuing its strongest criticism yet, states; “The EU condemns the loss of lives caused by disproportionate use of force by the Israeli Defence Forces and the humanitarian crisis it has aggravated.”

Facing mounting international criticism for its invasion of Gaza, Israeli Public Security Minister Avi Dichter indicates for the first time that Israel might be willing to free Palestinian prisoners in exchange for the release of Corporal Shalit.

July 8

Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh calls for a ceasefire to halt the Israeli offensive in Gaza. Israel rejects the Palestinian offer, demanding that Palestinians first return the captured Israeli soldier and halt rocket attacks into southern Israel.

July 9

The Palestinian death toll due to Israel’s Gaza offensive surpasses 50.

July 12

Responding to the mounting carnage in Gaza, and the Israeli seizure of much of the Palestinian government leadership, the Lebanese Hezbollah militia engages in border skirmishes with Israeli troops. In the ensuing battle, Hezbollah forces kill 3 Israeli soldiers and capture two. With Israeli forces in hot pursuit into Lebanon, another 5 Israeli soldiers die. Hezbollah casualties were not immediately announced.

Solomon   November 26th, 2008 3:16 am ET

General Assembly President Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann

said that the Holocaust and other historical crimes against the Jews didn't give Israel "the right to abuse others,

He pointedly added that he wanted to remind Israelis that despite "the protective shield of the United States and the Security Council," nothing could excuse the failure to establish a Palestinian state

dan perman   November 26th, 2008 8:20 am ET

solomon

a well known physics law says that for every action there is a reaction

interestingly you always quote israeli reactions to rocket fire, suicide bombers, etc, NEVER the reason

but you have already been proven wrong and you will again

miriam   November 26th, 2008 10:16 am ET

Yitchak Rabin was a Jewish leader in 1948 and was born in Jerusalem in 1922. Why doesn't that answer your question?
Here is a list of some other Jewish leaders in 1948:
Yigal Yadin, Jerusalem, 1917
Yigal Alon, Kfar Tavor, 1918
Moshe Dayan, Kibbutz Deganya, 1915
Avraham Almaliah, Jerusalem,1885
Yehuda Burla, Jerusalem, 1886
Eliyahu Eliashar, Jerusalem, 1899
Yaakov Gil, Tiberius, 1908
Yizhar Harari,Jaffa,1908
Ezra Ichilov, Petach Tikva, 1907
Aharon Remez, 1919
Israel Rokach, Jaffa,1889
Yosef Sapir, Jaffa, 1902
Rabbi Avraham Sha'ag, Jerusalem, 1883
Bechor Shitrit, Tiberius, 1895
Shlomo Stamper, Jerusalem, 1877.
Now tell us where the following were born:
Yassir Arafat
Ahmad Shukeiri
Nayet Hawatmeh
Faisal Husseini.

Solomon   November 26th, 2008 2:18 pm ET

Mariam .

you forget to put your name and John Wayne and Benny too.

Solomon   November 26th, 2008 2:32 pm ET

It is interesting that out going political leaders seem to deal with reality but not so when they hold power.

Ehud Olmert: about Jerusalem

Whoever wants to maintain control over the entire city will have to absorb 270,000 Arabs into the borders of Israel proper. This won't do. We need to make a decision. This decision is difficult, awful, a decision that contradicts our natural instincts, our deepest yearnings, our collective memories, and the prayers of the nation of Israel for the past two thousand years.

I was the first person who wanted to maintain Israeli control over the entire city. I confess. I'm not trying to retroactively justify what I've done for the past thirty-five years. For a significant portion of those years I wasn't ready to contemplate the depth of this reality.

miriam   November 26th, 2008 3:15 pm ET

Solomon, it's called compromise, something Israel has been prepared to do all along, despite being painful. However the Arab leaders have not shown themselves to be brave enough to do the same.

Solomon   November 26th, 2008 4:30 pm ET

. However the Arab leaders have not shown themselves to be brave enough to do the same.

Mariam.

.
compromise on what? they have already accept you on 78% of Palestine what else do you need.

may be we should give you Iraq ,Morocco and Yemen because Jews lived there. i

miriam   November 26th, 2008 7:47 pm ET

More than 50% of Mandatory Palestine became Jordan ruled by the Hashemites (from Mecca). The remaining western part of it was to be partitioned between Jews (55%) and Arabs (42%) ie the jews would have approximately 25%. The Jews accepted but the Arabs didn't and prefered to gain all the land in war. To their dismay, they lost that war and subsequent attempts to wipe out Israel. Of course it's ok for Arabs to gain land in battle, but not Jews.Most Arabs still do not accept Jews on any of the land, let alone 25% or your figure of 78%.

dan perman   November 27th, 2008 1:55 pm ET

Dan and who gave you that right to count how many trucks goes to Gaza

who gave you solomon the right to forget egypt, which seals off its borders with gaza not letting anything through for about 355 days a year.

compared with israel, they are barbarians

and who was the idiot who claims that jews fighting in the 1948 war were trained in the german army in world war II?

whoever makes such a claim shows taht he has no brain

Solomon   November 30th, 2008 1:11 am ET

dan perman.I said the Jewish army that fought in Palestine in 1948 were in the British and German army.your answer was who said that was an idiot

well this is the idiot that said it.

Hitler's Jewish Soldiers
The Untold Story of Nazi Racial Laws and Men of Jewish Descent in the German Military
Bryan Mark Rigg

Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought–perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals.

dan perman   November 30th, 2008 7:12 am ET

solomon

While I think Rigg's book contains enough genuine history to be of historical interest, it is best read with a grain of salt, and the book would be better classified as belonging in the comedy section of the book store.

zman   December 2nd, 2008 4:32 am ET

what is so wrong about pointing out the truth???
zionism is racism? why are we not allowed to accept the fact that israel is a racist country? it is not even enough if you have jewish blood, you also have to prove your mother is a full jew before they can even declare you to be a jew in israel. you just have to be jewish enough. reminds me of nazi germany.

john wayne   December 2nd, 2008 4:24 pm ET

zman

bull


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