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President Trump's U.K. Visits Turns From Pageantry To Policy And Protest; Third Transgender Woman Murdered In Dallas In A Year; Jeopardy! Champ's Winning Streak Comes To An End. Aired 7:30-8a ET

Aired June 4, 2019 - 07:30   ET

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[07:30:00] JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: -- well for the president.

CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes.

BERMAN: Today, it's way more complicated, to put it bluntly.

The president meeting with Theresa May, talking about very prickly issues of trade and international diplomacy. And then, there are the protests going on all over the place.

How do you see it?

AMANPOUR: Well, look, I think you're absolutely right. The royal day was the first day and it went really well. I mean, there was a lot of goodwill all around.

I mean, the fact of the matter is that the president didn't do the whole carriage thing that a lot of royal -- or rather, a lot of royal guests do. That was apparently, according to his people, for security. But others think maybe it was because there were protests.

He didn't get to see a lot of people around as his motorcade traveled around. He's getting to see a little bit more of that today.

And also, there are these protests planned for Trafalgar Square. They are, in fact, very contained. It's not like they're going to be all over London, so they're quite contained in Trafalgar Square.

But, yes, it is the business meetings and the political meetings today.

Having said that, they haven't come with an agenda to sign major bilateral agreements. Sometimes, foreign leaders come, American president comes, and there are actual communiques and agreements that are signed and taken away. That's apparently not on the table right now.

Instead, there are all sorts of important issues that presumably will be discussed.

First and foremost, because it made such an impact in the European elections, the British prime minister is being urged by a consortium of very senior British scientists to raise immediately and very vocally the issue of climate change and how Britain does not agree with the United States pulling out of Paris, and does not agree with all the actions the Trump administration has taken on rolling back regulations, on clean air, clean water, on emissions from power plants and the like.

And, on not being forward-leaning on the whole issue of mitigating this climate change. So that will be a big thing.

Then, as you mentioned, Huawei. That is the whole issue of whether Britain will, in fact, decide because apparently, it hasn't decided yet to go against the United States and actually invite Huawei to be part of its whole 5G and I.T. technological developments for the future.

The United States does not like that. It believes that Huawei could, in fact, be a secret sleeper spying device for the Chinese government. And, obviously, all the other issues surrounding trade and intellectual property that the United States has with China.

And then, of course, the Iran nuclear deal. The U.K. and the rest of Europe do not agree with President Trump's withdrawal from that agreement -- John.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Look, I'm not a ministerial adviser yet, but I would not recommend that she lead with climate change. I mean, I just don't think that that's where -- if they're going to hammer out anything, Christiane -- and this is going to be beyond just a ceremonial meeting -- that is not one where they have agreements.

A trade deal, as we've been told, is one where they both have a vested interest and it sounds like President Trump thinks that something might be able to get done in the waning days of the May administration.

AMANPOUR: Well, and neither am I a presidential adviser nor am I a trade expert. However, what I can tell you is despite the somewhat poo-pooing of the climate issue, it is the issue around the world. And it is climbing as the issue in the United States, especially with the majority of voters who now will be millennials and who have that issue on their agenda.

And as you know, it is part of every Democratic candidate's platform. It is a major issue.

And in terms of economic benefits, that's one way the prime minister is expected to talk to him about it.

However, on the trade issue, the president says all sorts of things and it is not at all clear what he can deliver.

And also, Prime Minister May is not going to be prime minister for much longer. So the truth of the matter is that these two leaders probably will not be able to hammer out or sign, seal and deliver anything, much less a trade deal.

I've had umpteen experts and trade negotiators and ambassadors on who've all said that a trade deal takes years to hammer out, no matter what the leaders may want to do. And in the case of the United States, a trade deal with the U.K. will mean congressional approvement (sic) and -- approval, rather.

And if this trade deal is a Brexit hardline, fall-off-the-cliff no- deal disaster, then the Congress is going to have a hard time passing it because as I've been told, they don't want to see any kind of Brexit deal that threatens U.S. interests, including the survival of the Northern Island peace deal.

CAMEROTA: Really good context, Christiane. Thank you very much for spelling all of that out for us.

BERMAN: All right.

House lawmakers taking aim at Silicon Valley's biggest players -- Google, Facebook, Amazon, and more -- launching an antitrust investigation. This is a pivot point.

Our chief business correspondent and star of "EARLY START," Christine Romans joins us now with much more on this.

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT, ANCHOR, "EARLY START": Yes, and this is a top-to-bottom review here -- an antitrust probe of big tech launched by House lawmakers with Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon as some of the targets here.

[07:35:07] Rhode Island Democratic Congressman David Cicilline leading this investigation.

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REP. DAVID CICILLINE (D-RI): This is a broad investigation of the whole marketplace, so it involves a whole range of companies. But it's really to look at competition in the digital marketplace, to look at anticompetitive behavior of some of the large dominant platforms. And then, determine whether our existing antitrust statutes are working -- whether they need to be modernized and updated.

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ROMANS: You know, there's been scandal after scandal for the tech industry. Critics have called for tough new regulations. Some critics have demanded these companies be broken up.

This investigation comes as the Justice Department and the Federal Trade Commission recently agreed to divide oversight of the tech industry.

Congressman Cicilline says this is the first time Congress has launched a significant antitrust investigation in decades.

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CICILLINE: Frankly, I don't have a lot of confidence that this administration has been particularly aggressive in their antitrust enforcement. In fact, they very often have come out on the side of monopolists and big mergers. So I think, again, they have a responsibility, in particular, in enforcement actions.

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ROMANS: Officials have notified Amazon, Apple, Google, and Facebook of the coming investigation. Amazon and Google declined to comment. Apple and Facebook didn't respond immediately to our request for comment, guys.

News that the big tech companies face this scrutiny from lawmakers and regulators has pushed the Nasdaq into a correction. The Nasdaq down 1.6 percent yesterday. It's down 11 percent from the highs.

And look at those big major tech stocks on the news, hit hard. Google down six percent, Facebook down 7 1/2 percent. Amazon and Apple down as well.

You know, they faced scrutiny for election interference -- for being asleep at the switch there. But also, for privacy concerns as well, Alisyn. So this will be top-to-bottom, wide-ranging we expect.

CAMEROTA: That will be fascinating to watch. Thank you very much for the preview of all of that, Christine.

OK, good news. It's 1984 all over again. That was a great year.

BERMAN: I had feathered hair.

CAMEROTA: Oh, wait a second -- not the real 1984. It's Orwell's 1984.

What do this image, and the classic novel, and President Trump all have in common? The eye-opening answer ahead in our reality check.

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[07:41:30] CAMEROTA: Three transgender women have been murdered in the city of Dallas in a year. The FBI is now assisting local police in this string of unsolved murders.

And, CNN's Rosa Flores joins us now with more. What do we know, Rosa?

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, Alisyn, Dallas police is taking these cases very seriously. There are four transgender African-American women who have been killed in Dallas and their homicides have gone unsolved -- two of those just in the past few days and weeks.

Most recently, this past Saturday, 26-year-old Chynal Lindsey. Her body was found in a lake.

Just a few weeks prior to that, 22-year-old Muhlaysia Brooks (sic). She was found shot to death. And there are no suspects in that killing, but in her case, she was brutally beaten a few weeks before her killing and there is video of that beating. And reportedly, those assailants were using homophobic slurs during the beating.

Now, Dallas police is not saying that these cases are all related. They're not saying that there is a serial killer in Dallas. But they are looking at possible hate crime charges in these cases.

Now, Texas doesn't have a hate crime statute but the federal government does and they've invited the FBI to help. And as a federal partner, the FBI is investigating.

But again, there are four transgender African-American women who have been killed in Dallas in the past few days, weeks, and years, and those four cases have gone unsolved -- John, Alisyn.

BERMAN: All right, Rosa Flores for us following this important story. Rosa, thank you very much.

So, what do George Orwell's "1984," President Trump, and the continuing crackdown on human rights in China have in common? The answer is way too much.

John Avlon runs it down in our reality check -- John.

JOHN AVLON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Hey, guys.

For a guy who has been dead for nearly 70 years, George Orwell has never been hotter. Sales of his dystopian novel "1984" surged to the top of the charts after President Trump's inauguration.

And with every administration appeal to alternative facts or attempts to call uncomfortable truths fake news, Orwell raises his head again, as in this quote from "1984."

"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

Sound familiar?

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening.

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AVLON: Yes, Orwell seems to be a man for all seasons right now as we confront a rise in nationalism at home and abroad.

He reminds us that, "Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism." Pointing to the overlap between extremes, Orwell observed that "A communist and a fascist are somewhat nearer to one another than either is to a Democrat."

And, journalists' insistence on a fact-based debate is entirely consistent with Orwell's admonition that "Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four" -- even when leaders insist the opposite. But for all the war on facts and demonization of dissent we see in the West right now, we should recognize that our concerns are comparatively quaint because today is June fourth, the 30th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre when hundreds, maybe thousands, of students were murdered in a pro-democracy rally by the Chinese government.

CNN cameras and reporters were there, sending an important message about the power of the press to stop countries from murdering their citizens with impunity.

Now, this footage of the person known only to history as "tank man" became an instant international symbol of the power of the powerless. His photo hangs here in the halls of CNN and in my own office as well.

But in the intervening 30 years, the Chinese government has effectively disappeared "tank man" and the Tiananmen Square massacre from their national memory. The government censors the Internet, allowing them to remove any videos of the massacre, and mentioning it on social media is deemed subversive.

[07:45:10] When a BBC crew recently went to China and showed folks video of the "tank man," by their estimation, some 80 percent of folks said they'd never seen it.

There is no better example of Orwell's warning that "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

And this is happening in our time, often excused by companies who see profit in the promise of wealth without liberty.

Now, there are brave activists who try to keep the memory of their murdered sons and daughters alive, particularly the 127 Tiananmen mothers speaking out at great personal risk.

Or consider the social credit scores that use surveillance technology to monitor every aspect of Chinese lives.

And with the eyes of history upon us, we should not ignore what one Pentagon official has described as "concentration camps" full of as many as two million Muslim minority Uyghurs, which "New York Times" columnist Nic Kristof called "part of China's Orwellian war on religion."

Orwell's greatest enemy was totalitarianism and its handmaidens of ignorance and intolerance illustrated by the three slogans of his fictitious ministry of truth. "War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."

It's up to all of us who count ourselves as free to keep George Orwell fiction in the 21st century.

And that's your reality check.

BERMAN: So important John because it is not over yet. It is seeping through.

And thank you for bringing up the Uyghurs -- you know, millions of people in concentration camps largely forgotten.

CAMEROTA: Oh my gosh, what a remarkable history lesson, John. Thank you very much.

BERMAN: All right.

What is it's over? James Holzhauer's record-shattering "JEOPARDY!" winning streak is done.

What about the players he defeated? What are they thinking this morning? We'll speak to one of them, next.

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[07:50:27] (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ALEX TREBEK, HOST, "JEOPARDY!": So, Emma, it's up to you. If you came up with the correct response, you're going to be the new "JEOPARDY!" champion.

Did you? You did. What did you wager? Oh gosh, $20,000.

What a payday -- $46,801. What a game.

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BERMAN: Down goes James Holzhauer. The "JEOPARDY!" contestant who couldn't be beat saw his 32-game, $2.4 million winning streak come to an end.

Joining us now is Adam Levin. He was a "JEOPARDY!" contestant. Until last night, he was the guy who came the closest to beating James. He lost by just $18.00.

Adam, great to have you back with us. I want to play you some sound that we just heard for the first time of James Holzhauer talking about his defeat because I think you'll find it particularly interesting.

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JAMES HOLZHAUER, 32 STRAIGHT WINS ON "JEOPARDY!": Something that makes me really happy is that I didn't beat myself. I lost to an elite player playing a near-perfect game. It was exactly how I wanted to lose if I had to lose, knowing that I can hang my head up high.

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BERMAN: So, what's your reaction to the defeat?

ADAM LEVIN, FORMER "JEOPARDY!" CONTESTANT, LOST TO JAMES HOLZHAUER BY $18.00: Well, I mean, first of all, that's exactly how I felt when I -- when I played against James was if you -- if you play the best game that you can play there's nothing to be ashamed about. And I think that's exactly what happened.

I mean, Emma played a fantastic game and so did James -- and so did Jay, for that matter. It was just -- it was as an exciting half-hour of television as you're going to see and the better player won last night.

BERMAN: You told me -- you had told me a few weeks ago it would take a perfect storm to beat James Holzhauer.

LEVIN: Yes.

BERMAN: Is that what happened?

LEVIN: I think so. He wasn't able to take a huge lead early in the first round -- the first "JEOPARDY!" round because he got the daily double on the very first clue. So he couldn't double his winnings there.

And then, Emma went on to -- went on to get both daily doubles in the second round and again, keep James from really building up that lead to the huge margins that we've seen.

BERMAN: Let's play -- let's play --

LEVIN: She went --

BERMAN: -- that moment from the double "JEOPARDY!" round here because I think this is so important. I don't think people realize what Emma Boettcher did, which is to an extent, beat James Holzhauer at his own game. So this is her laying it all on the line --

LEVIN: Yes.

BERMAN: -- in double "JEOPARDY!"

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TREBEK: Here's an opportunity for you. You have enough money to catch and pass James.

EMMA BOETTCHER, BEAT JAMES HOLZHAUER ON "JEOPARDY!": You know, I think I've got to make it a true daily double.

TREBEK: All right, $15,200. Here is the clue. It's home to the annual United States Sailboat Show.

BOETTCHER: What is Annapolis?

TREBEK: That's right.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BERMAN: And with that, she doubled her money, she took the lead, and then she never slipped behind again. And that's what you have to do. You just have to go big and she was lucky enough to get that daily double. LEVIN: Yes, exactly right, and was able to keep control of the board, too. We've seen other games where James didn't necessarily get the daily doubles but was still able to control a lot of the other questions. But she was just as fast on the buzzer as he was and just was able to keep the pressure up on him.

BERMAN: One of the most striking things about the game last night was that James Holzhauer didn't get a single question wrong. He actually got -- I guess, 22 was the number I saw.

LEVIN: Right.

BERMAN: Twenty-two questions right and he still lost.

Explain to our viewers why that's so extraordinary.

LEVIN: Well, I mean, I think, one, it just shows the importance of the daily doubles. And any one of the games he was in could have gone -- that he won could have gone the other way if maybe the other -- the other contestants had gotten those daily doubles and doubled up.

But, again, I think it just goes to show how talented all three of those players were. Nobody got a question wrong until I think there were three questions left in the game.

So, you know, again, it's -- he was matched question-for-question by one player and another one who was able to keep it close and maybe deny him some of the points that he might have gotten otherwise. In the need, she just was able to come out on top.

BERMAN: So now that it's over -- now that his 32-game-winning streak is over, what's the significance of it? How would you reflect on it?

LEVIN: Yes. I mean, I think -- you know, I don't think we'll see any really significant changes for the rest of this season.

But I think people have learned now how important those daily doubles are and I think searching them out is going to be a pretty key strategy going on. I know other people have done it before but nobody to quite the extent and that got quite the coverage that James has gotten.

[07:55:13] So I think when "JEOPARDY!" returns next season people will be playing it a little bit differently.

But, I hope that all the -- all the viewers that tuned in to see James stick with it because, like I said, last night's half-hour of T.V. was as exciting as you can get and I think -- I think we're going to see a lot more of those games that come down to the wire and are exciting.

BERMAN: I'm on team Emma Boettcher because she played a ridiculously good game.

Just finally, in closing here, as you were watching that, did you ever have any pangs saying oh man, I got so close -- that could've been me?

LEVIN: Yes, sure. I wish I had gotten two daily doubles in the second round instead, but that's not the way it worked out.

And I'm really happy for Emma. I'm glad that somebody was able to do what everybody thought couldn't be done. It just shows that no matter where you are, there's something that people don't think you can do that you'll be able to do.

BERMAN: She was fierce, to be sure. And you played a terrific game as well.

Adam Levin, thanks so much for being with us. I really appreciate it.

LEVIN: Thanks for having me, John.

BERMAN: All right -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: All right.

President Trump's state visit to the U.K. -- it is the stuff of "Late- Night Laughs." Here you go.

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STEPHEN COLBERT, HOST, CBS "THE LATE SHOW WITH STEPHEN COLBERT": Trump also met with the Queen and greeted her with the ceremonial fist bump. Come on, man.

He got the classic royal tour, complete with a review of the famous Royal Guardsmen. How do you get your hair that much height? What do you do?

I cannot imagine how much Aqua Net you've got up there. Nobody smoke -- nobody smoke around this guy.

TRUMP: I don't think much of him. I think that he's a -- he's the twin of de Blasio, except shorter.

TREVOR NOAH, HOST, COMEDY CENTRAL "THE DAILY SHOW": Wait, what? That's a really weird dis.

This guy's shorter than Bill de Blasio. Yes, everyone is shorter than Bill de Blasio. The guy is like seven feet tall.

It's like someone being like ha, ha, this guy's has less money than Jeff Bezos. Yes, that's all of us.

COLBERT: It's not exactly etiquette to call a member of the royal family nasty, especially right before you visit the U.K. That's like RSVP-ing to a wedding, "The bride sucks! I'll have the fish."

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CAMEROTA: That's horrible.

BERMAN: It's the only way I get to see it because we have to go to sleep so early.

CAMEROTA: I know that. This is one of the highlights of our morning. We hope it is yours as well.

We also have breaking news because the British media is reporting that President Trump spoke with Theresa May's political rival, Boris Johnson.

NEW DAY continues right now.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: President Trump meeting with Prime Minister May.

TRUMP: Stick around and let's do this deal.

ABBY PHILLIP, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: The president is downplaying the sense that he has snubbed Theresa May.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have a man who knows nothing about the European Union giving kind of trade advice.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's not as controversial as you might think. The general feeling is a lot of people actually share his view about the way Brexit is being handled.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Alisyn Camerota and John Berman.

BERMAN: All right, good morning and welcome to your NEW DAY. It's Tuesday, June fourth, 8:00 in the East.

It is day two of the president's state visit to the United Kingdom and pomp and pageantry have turned into policy and protest.

And the president is getting down to business. He's meeting behind closed doors as we speak with the outgoing British Prime Minister Theresa May. They're talking about trade.

In the meantime, anti-Trump protesters are on the streets of London. Once again, they were flying that Trump baby balloon over Parliament Square.

CAMEROTA: CNN just spoke with one of President Trump's biggest critics in London, Mayor Sadiq Khan, who discussed their ongoing feud. We'll bring you a clip from that interview.

Meanwhile, British broadcaster ITV is now reporting that President Trump and Theresa May's political rival, Boris Johnson, did speak. They spoke on the phone today for 20 minutes. Johnson reportedly turned down a face-to-face meeting that President Trump was offering.

So we are standing by waiting for President Trump and Theresa May to wrap up their meeting at 10 Downing Street. They will then hold a joint news conference within the next few minutes, we're told, to tell us what, if anything, they agreed to during their meeting. We will carry that event live for you, of course. So, here to discuss, we have Dana Bash, CNN chief political correspondent. We will be joined at some point by Clarissa Ward, who is on the ground over there. She's the one who conducted the interview with the London mayor. And we also have John Avlon here in the studio, CNN senior political analyst.

OK. So, Dana, just last hour --

DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes.

CAMEROTA: -- you were saying what the political sort of shock waves would be if President Trump and Boris Johnson sat down --

BASH: Yes.

CAMEROTA: -- to meet. They had a phone call.

So what does that mean?

BASH: Well, we're -- obviously, this is just breaking and we're talking to our sources to try to get our own reporting on it. But, if ITN's reporting is right on the context of why a phone call, not a meeting, I think it's quite telling.

CAMEROTA: Let me read it to you again.

BASH: Yes.

CAMEROTA: Here is the source. "Trump called Boris Johnson and offered a one-to-one meeting. The call was friendly and.

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