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[18:00:00] S.E. CUPP, OST, HLN: Here is the Skutnik of all the Skutnik. That does it for us. Crime and Justice with Ashleigh Banfield is next.

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST, HLN: Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. And this is Crime and Justice.

We begin in Arizona and a wild police chase with an ending that you just have to see to believe.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Boy. Boy. No. No. No. Head on collision with that car. An innocent person involved in a head on crash. And this is exactly what

DPS wanted to avoid. He`s running.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Yes. That`s right. After that unbelievable collision, the driver just got out and ran. And what`s even more preposterous is what he told the

people down there on the ground who actually witnessed the crash and what he told the officers when they arrived.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Boy. No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You all right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sit down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You guys know who I am.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sit down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s him right here. That`s him right here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get on the ground. Get on the ground.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: You think you recognize that video, you are right. We showed you some of that last week. But tonight something else is happening. This guy,

the driver is talking. Not only is Mitch Taebel telling his side of what happened. This fella held news conference. He held court complete with an

orange jump suit and brand new set of bracelets right from the comfort of the county jail.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi, how is it going?

MITCH TAEBEL, ASSAULT SUSPECT: OK. Everybody`s recording. Going to cut to the chase.

OK. I`m ready to go. All right. I just want to say there`s no problem cause. It`s absolutely legal to resist arrest with force to the extent of

taking an officer`s life if necessary. That is federal law. That is U.S. Supreme Court case law that state said.

I want to go back to the beginning and just say there`s no probable cause of reasonable suspicion or a traffic violation to make the stop in the

first place.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Thank you, Jesus for that news conference. Those are some pretty big claims there from Mr. Taebel especially about the whole probable cause

piece.

The investigators say there`s plenty of probable cause. The Department of Public Safety officer saw him making an illegal lane change, they say and

then apparently, he just sped off when they tried to pull him over. But you go ahead and you believe this fella driving that car that fast to all those

innocent people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Boy.

BANFIELD: And by the way, what about those innocent people, how about the woman who was injured in that crash. He broke her hand. She broke her foot

in that head on collision. And Mr. Taebel had an answer for her too.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TAEBEL: She should file a joint suit along with me against the city. Because I said to the police twice and I said to the mayor, I said look, I

don`t want to jeopardize anyone safety. They are making an unreasonable, unlawful stop. I was stopping to get gas and they attacked my vehicle and

bump into it in unmarked vehicles.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: OK. So that`s where Mr. Taebel is right. Law enforcement officers did try to force him to stop using unmarked vehicles. But again, police say

they had probable cause since he committed several traffic offenses. And then caused that horrifying crash.

You see he`s what you call a self-described sovereign citizen. And according to the FBI, sovereign citizens are classified as, are you ready,

domestic terrorists. And they believe they don`t have to answer to most government authorities including courts, IRS, vehicles department or law

enforcement.

So with all of that in mind now knowing who you`re dealing with, I want you to watch the last bit of this press conference or performance and how Mr.

Taebel addresses his past runs in with the law and just how successful he`s been in suing the government.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TAEBEL: That`s it. I`m...

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you consider yourself a sovereign citizen?

TAEBEL: What`s that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you consider yourself a sovereign citizen?

TAEBEL: Absolutely. I`m all American. Look, one more thing. I`ve got to get bailed out. Hopefully...

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why do you have a licensed plate if...

TAEBEL: Let me just -- let me finish and then you can talk. OK. So, one last thing. I`ve got to get bailed out. I got to get out of here

immediately. I`d like to do this in finer clothes and not in an orange jump suit and handcuffs. This is degrading.

[18:05:00] And you know, I`ll file a suit for this in itself. Any ways, I`d like to continue this in finer clothes. The bail is $400,000 right now. If

they don`t -- they should just drop the charges altogether immediately right now or they can be charged under section 241 or 242.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mentioning that it was an unlawful arrest but then you say that they were trying to pull you over for an illegal lane change.

TAEBEL: Right. Which never happened, right. Hey, listen. Police can`t do around harassing people to be the man. OK. That`s what they attempt to do.

I have several cases in the court where they go out and arrest people for unreasonable lanes. And this is exactly it never happened. Where`s the dash

cam of the illegal lane change on the highway? So, it didn`t have it.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many cases like this have you won?

TAEBEL: What`s that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many cases like this have you won?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your suits, how many?

TAEBEL: This -- OK. That`s it. We`re wrapped up today. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for coming. I`m out of here. Good bye.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: That`s my favorite part right there. How many of those lawsuits, Mr. Taebel have you won? That`s it. We`re wrapped up for today. Thank you

all for coming.

Mitch Taebel is now being held on $400,000 bond on a list of charges including aggravated assault, endangerment and unlawful flight. For his

part, his attorney, tells us that Mitchell has untreated mental issues. Not sure if that will be part of the case or any of his lawsuits.

Jason Pohl is the public safety reporter for Arizona Central.com in the Arizona republic. He joins me now live. So first of all, just take me to

your jurisdiction. How unusual is it to have an inmate holding a news conference from the jail?

JASON POHL, PUBLIC SAFETY REPORTER, ARIZONA CENTRAL.COM: Well, I can tell you it`s perhaps not the first time it`s ever happened but it was

definitely one of the more memorable times I can remember. It was definitely not expected when that happened last week.

I know some folks locally were live streaming it and it was a big to do. It should be noted though, that early in his -- in this case when he was first

arrested he made a point that he wanted to speak to media and this was part of, apparently, his plan from the beginning to get some of that press

publicity to his name.

So in that sense, this isn`t surprising but in the grand scheme of things, yes, very, very unusual.

BANFIELD: You know, I remember another inmate in Maricopa County Ms. Jodi Arias who like to hold court and give interviews and eventually they just

zipped her right up and said no more. We`re not allowing it. So who know that that will happen with Mitchell Taebel.

So, give me a bit of a background on his criminal history. Because it`s not like this is his first rodeo.

POHL: Sure. It`s not his first rodeo. Although I think by some standards his criminal history is pretty short all things considered. There was a

conviction back in 2011 for an assault. Apparently there`s a fight that happened at a hotel in New York as we understand it and he was involved in

an assault there.

He`s done some time in jail and was placed on five years` probation. This was back in September of 2011. Since then he lived in Indiana and

California and apparently he was driving through or visiting or spending some amount of time in Arizona when all of this happened.

But that`s about the extent of his criminal history. There`s some other court cases though, that I`m sure you`ve mentioned already. It`s about his

issues with the Department of Justice, about marijuana prohibition and things like that.

BANFIELD: He likes to sue. He made no bones about it in the news conference and actually wrapped up his news conference saying that he would like to

speak with us all again when he`s in finer clothes. That the handcuffs are degrading and that he`s going to sue for that as well.

POHL: That`s right.

BANFIELD: You can sue as much as you want but if you actually have grounds is whole other issue. So then, just to flash a little bit at. I wanted to -

- I wanted to play something that was fairly serious. What he said in this news conference about being lawfully allowed to kill a cop. That started to

strike a real chord. Because the rest of it was a lot of blow hard business until he started, you know, suggesting U.S. Code protects him if he wants

to kill a cop. And here is what he said to say about. Have a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TAEBEL: All right. I just want to say there`s no probable cause. It`s illegal to resist arrest with force to the extent of taking an officer`s

life if necessary. That is federal law. That is U.S. Supreme Court case law that state said.

And I want to go back to the beginning and just say there`s no probable cause or reasonable suspicion or a traffic violation to make the stop in

the first place.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Yes. No. Just no. That`s really not what those codes that you cited actually protect you and allow you to do.

And actually coming up in about 50 minutes or so we`re going to dig right into those codes that he cited U.S. Code 241 and 242. What they mean, what

they to protect you from and what they do allow you to do.

[18:10:06] But Mr. Taebel`s not got it all completely accurate in that respect.

Real quickly, Jason, he did say the reason he didn`t stop apart from the fact that he didn`t believe they had probable cause was something more

sinister. It was something about the appearance of the vehicles following him. What was that?

POHL: So he indicated because it was an unmarked police vehicle, unmarked police vehicle that he didn`t feel like it would be appropriate for him to

stop or that he didn`t need to stop at all.

BANFIELD: He said it looked shady. Shady looking old beating down old crown royals if I remember...

(CROSSTALK)

POHL: Shady looking vehicle. That`s right. And it`s worth noting as this case continued for about an hour, we understand the pursuit went on for in

various stages.

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: So we`re going to have to up the budgets then, I think we have to ups the budgets of the local police so that the vehicles don`t look shady

or beaten down on those old crown royals.

I want to bring in former Arizona police officer Brandon Tatum, if I can. So, Brandon, your initial reaction to this circus that just played out?

BRANDON TATUM, FORMER ARIZONA POLICE OFFICER: Well, I couldn`t believe how ignorant this guy was. First thing that comes to my mind is this. Some

people in this world they think they are so smart that they are actually stupid.

I don`t understand why he thinks that he`s so superior psychologically that he can overcome the law even though he is not one case and even he cannot

quote case law that support anything he said.

I will -- I will not take his serious because he clearly he has a mental illness. But this is a huge problem in law enforcement and I think that we

haven`t spoken about things like this on TV enough is this sovereign citizens and these individuals, you know, probably unlike him because he`s

just like a big kid playing a game but some of these other people take it seriously and they will kill law enforcement.

I remember going through the academy and in the academy we spoke about people who are sovereign citizens as the highest priority and the highest

threat to law enforcement because they will kill a police officer and not care at all.

This guy is just probably mentally ill and he just want to say something and get a little bit of fame. I don`t think that he`s the worst of the

worst but his actions definitely could have killed somebody and even killed himself.

BANFIELD: Well, I tell you what, Brandon, he sure has a case of revisionist history as he recites just what his driving style was. And I`ll tell what,

I want to play what he said. This is what he said he was doing on the road. I`m not sure if we can split screen it and show what he was doing at the

same time but have a listen to what Mr. Taebel suggested his drive was really like.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TAEBEL: I didn`t want to jeopardize anyone`s safety on the road. And I said that to the detective too. I said call the officers back. I don`t want them

to attack me. I don`t want to jeopardize anyone`s safety. They were throwing spike strips, you know, at me along the road as I was just driving

along.

I wasn`t really running. I was just of driving along and moving out of the way. And it was and I drove back to the college where I`m enrolled as an

ASU student. I take a couple of film making courses.

I was going to get out of Amtrak station or I was thinking about going to San Diego. I was kind of go in between us. I was going to get out of

Phoenix because I just hit a class from the day so I had a few days off.

I was going to go to San Diego or to the Amtrak. And as I was driving down I realized that the Amtrak was like the following day and then I thought I

might go back to the airport. So I turned back around to go to the Phoenix airport to fly bag to Chicago. That`s what I was doing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Yes, I don`t really care, I don`t really care where you were going or where you say you were going or where you wanted to go. All I care

about is where you are. That`s locked away from the rest of us right now, Mr. Taebel.

And quite frankly, I want to bring in defense attorney Anahita Sedaghatfar, she joins me from Los Angeles right now. Because you know, he`s telling us

that he wasn`t really trying to get away. He was just driving along. He got to 150 miles an hour at times.

But there`s this whole notion that he thinks he can sue because he finds it degrading to hold a news conference dressed in handcuffs. What`s going to

happen with this guy reastically?

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, he`s going to be charged, he`s going to have to face the court. And I can tell you this is really a

defense attorney`s worst nightmare to think that your client is being charged with multiple felonies here, Ashleigh.

He faced years and years in prison and he`s giving this press conference for over 15 minutes talking about how he can legally kill the police. I

mean, that`s terrible. The only thing I can think of is the defense can possibly use that video and spin it to argue that indeed he is mentally

ill.

He`s not playing with a full deck of cards. That might play into his legal defense. But I don`t think it`s going to be successful. This is literally

caught on tape. Multiple felonies.

BANFIELD: All right. Hold that thought for a minute. Thanks to all my guests.

A California teacher goes on an unbelievable rant about the United States military and he does it in front of his class.

(BEGIN VOICE CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because we got a bunch of dumb shits over there. Think about the people who you know are over there, you freaking stupid Uncle

Louie, or whatever, they`re dumb shit.

They`re like high-level thinkers, they`re not academic people, they`re not intellectual people. They are the freaking lowest of our low.

(END VOICE CLIP)

[18:15:05] BANFIELD: Really? Outrageous, infuriating. Ignorant. Who`s the dumb shit now? We`re talking about it next.

[18:20:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: Victor Quinonez is 17 years old. A senior at a high school in Southern California who happened to be wearing a sweatshirt to school one

day on Friday, in fact with one word across the chest. Marines.

Nice tribute to his dad who happens to be a United States Marine. Now thanks to a video that`s exploding online we know one of Victor`s teachers

took notice of that sweatshirt imploring Victor to explain that he plans to join the military after he graduates from that school. And teacher offered

Victor and all of his classmates this lecture in response. One word of advice for you here, hold on.

(BEGIN VOICE CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We all have freaking nice vision goggles, all that kind of stuff, and we can`t control these dudes wearing freaking robes and

chanclas.

Because we got a bunch of dumb shits over there. Think about the people who you know are over there, you freaking stupid Uncle Louie, or whatever,

they`re dumb shit.

They`re like high-level thinkers, they`re not academic people, they`re not intellectual people. They are the freaking lowest of our low. Not morally.

You know, I`m not saying they make bad decisions, just they`re not talented people.

The data is in -- we don`t have a good military. We haven`t been able to beat these guys wearing freaking robes and chanclas for 15 years.

And you`re telling me -- we couldn`t beat the Vietnamese. They`re a bunch of people in this freaking big throwing rice at us. We couldn`t freaking

beat them. Anyway, you better freaking go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don`t wear that in here.

So, if you join the military, it`s because you have no other options. Because you didn`t take care of business academically, because your parents

didn`t love you enough to push you and then you didn`t love yourself enough to push yourself, which isn`t even that hard.

It`s not even that hard. You just have focus a little bit. You don`t have to work hard. You just have to focus.

I don`t understand why we let the freaking military guys come over here and recruit you at schools. We don`t pimps come into school. Anyone interested

in being a ho?

And they`re going to freaking and they are going to be freaking lie to you and they`re going to tell you and this is what you guys always tell them.

I`m going to the military. Why? So I can have them pay for my college. Bull freaking shit.

If you were interested in college, would you ever consider the military? No. But your bullshit yourself because you wasted 13 years of your

education and you have no other options.

And you`re trying to figure out what am I going to do and then they give you all that bullshit, see the world. See the freaking world? You don`t

freaking see the world you`re on a freaking ship. What do you think you`re on vacation. It`s freaking stupid.

(END VOICE CLIP)

BANFIELD: Gregory Salcido was not at school today and we`re learning tonight that he is not coming back either.

Where do we even begin? An American teacher teaching kids about the military and equating it to members of gangs like pimps who traffic in

crimes and sell their victims into the sex trade.

Let`s break down this teacher`s logic. I mean, let`s really break it down here. He lectured this classroom that our troops currently serving overseas

are dumb shits, not high-level thinkers, not academic people. The lowest of the low.

I assume that Mr. Salcido count himself among the elite cadre of the high level academics and intellectuals. He`s a teacher, right, which is ironic

because only a dumb shit would say what he just said.

And here`s where he gets schooled. According to the last statistics from the Defense Department, that`s the government body responsible for the

military, our military are pretty damn educated. Nearly 83 percent of military officers had a bachelor`s degree or higher.

And that compares with just 30 percent of the general population. And when it comes to those enlisted men and women, the grunts who do all the hard

work, many still in their teens just of school, 91 percent of enlisted soldiers had a high school d diploma or some college. And that compares to

59 percent of their civilian counterparts.

Mr. Salcido, when you told those kids, quote, "We couldn`t beat the Vietnamese, they`re a bunch of people this freaking big throwing rice at

us." Did you look around your classroom to see if there were any Vietnamese-American kids? Or was just fine to slug those people behind

their backs, real brief.

Is that your idea of giving the classroom a good education? I don`t know if you got your teaching degree from inside a Kellogg`s box but there are

definitely a few facts that you should know even if you never end up inside another classroom.

The United States military is not full of dumb shits. It`s full of people who are more honorable and brave than you will ever be. Like U.S. Marine

Lance Corporal William Carpenter. That guy on your screen he jumped on a grenade in Afghanistan to save his pal, a fellow marine. And he got a Medal

of Honor for it. And he also got a body full of shrapnel that he will carry with him for the rest of his life.

[18:25:01] And Chief Petty Officer Edward Byers, Jr. of United States Navy, that guy he rushed into a building filled with enemy combatants engaged in

hand to hand combat then threw himself on top of an American hostage to shields that guy from getting gunfire.

And still somehow Byers got the hostage out of life. He also got a Medal of Honor.

You sir, got shot by an iPhone. Let that sink in. There are thousands more servicemen like William and Edward who thank the good lord above we`re not

in your classroom before they signed up for service.

And then there`s that whole part where you railed on the reasons people enlist in the first place and what kind of future they are destined for.

You told those kids, quote, "So if you joined the military it`s because you have no other option. Because you didn`t take care of business

academically. Or your parents didn`t love you enough to push you and then you didn`t love yourself enough to push yourself." End quote.

Again, Mr. Salcido, do your own homework. Did you know that some of the biggest and most profitable companies in America were started by United

States veterans. We`re talking Remax, FedEx, Wal-Mart, GoDaddy, USAA.

And here are a few other famous face who is have changed and improved the American landscape but not before treading across some dangerous foreign

landscapes as soldiers, sailors, airmen or marines.

Bob Dole, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, George Carlin, Steve McQueen, Ice T., Morgan Freeman, Chuck Norris, Mr. T., Johnny Cash, Clint Eastwood,

Elvis Presley.

Twenty six of our presidents served in the U.S. military. And I say that qualifies them to be among high level thinkers.

And that brings me to my last point, when you admonish that kid wearing the marines sweatshirt and I`ll quote you, "don`t ever freaking bring the

freaking military to this class." I`d really like to hear you say that if a guy like Senator John McCain was standing in front of you.

He took six years of beating inside the Hanoi Hilton and he could have been freed at any time, could have gone home but he chose to stay in that

torture chamber with his men out of duty and honor, integrity and grit. And he went on to serve this country for the rest of his life, 31 years as a

U.S. senator. And it`s a life that he`s holding onto preciously right now as he battles cancer.

Now that is a lesson you could have shared with those kids. Instead, you`ll be lucky if you ever share another lesson at all. But I sure do hope that

you make amends with that kid wearing the marines sweatshirt. Because when shit goes sideways in America with places like North Korea and Russia and

Syria, that`s the kid who`s going to have your back.

He`ll be one of the few good men and you`re going to want him on that wall. You`re going to need him on that wall.

With me now from Los Angeles, CNN correspondent Stephanie Elam. Where is Mr. Salcido now? What is his circumstance?

STEPHANIE ELAM, CORRESPONDENT, CNN: What we believe he`s actually in his home. We had a CNN producer out there knocking on doors talking to people

and while out there, I should also let you know, Ashleigh, there are people driving by supporting the military and there`s other people driving by

supporting this teacher.

I know there are some people have said that they would not have not finished high school if it hasn`t been for this teacher. But a lot of

people who also feel like if this man felt so strongly as you said, he should say it to people who have actually served in the military and are

veterans.

But we do know is that he will not be returning to the classroom. The school board president, Ashleigh, saying he`s not coming back to this

classroom and will deal with the issue next week.

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: Stephanie, any truth to this reporting that he`s getting death threats?

ELAM: That`s what he says. He`s getting, I mean, if you look at Twitter you can see people are definitely talking about it. He says that he`s getting

death threats. But you know, at the same time the student, Victor is not in school because he`s afraid too of people siding with this teacher. So he`s

staying away from school as is his brother who is a sophomore. So...

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: Every part of that is wrong. As angry as I am about what he said to those kids, particularly Victor, whose dad is a marine, your free speech

does not extend to threatening people`s lives. And you don`t get to threaten Mr. Salcido either.

Look, he can take it on the chin on Twitter and be criticized for what he said but death threats not acceptable. Not at all.

I want to bring in Jason Beardsley, he`s a former U.S. Army special ops and advisor for Concerned Veterans of America and Caroline Heldman, professor

of Occidental College in Los Angeles.

Thank to you both. Jason, if I can speak with you first. Just your reaction to hearing those words spoken at great level in a classroom.

[18:29:57] JASON BEARDSLEY, FORMER U.S. ARMY SPECIAL OPERATIONS: Ashleigh, first of all, thank you for laying out an excellent case. This man is off

the rails. And let me just say semper fi to all the marines out there and those who served proudly in this country`s armed services from all the

branches.

Victor, the student, he is the one appropriately named because he holds the victory and the high ground in this -- this is not even a conversation. For

that man to be smirched and disparage the reputation of the men and women who served in the armed forces is ridiculous and it shows his ignorance.

You know, there is an old comment, right, keep your mouth shut and people might think you`re an idiot, but if you open your mouth, you may just go

ahead and prove it. And in this case, I think he has proven this.

Our military comes from some of the best families. I know for me it was a first choice. I was loved by my family. I spent time earning this pin,

learning Arabic, learning other languages, traveling the world, and working with some of the most intellectual people I`ve known.

They train doctors. People land aircraft in the middle of the ocean on a postage stamp, flying $16 million aircraft. These are not the lowest of the

low. These are some of the most respected men and women that this country knows. And he should never be allowed around students again.

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, PRIMETIME JUSTICE SHOW HOST, HLN: And they`re not dumbshits. They don`t deserve to be called dumbshits, that`s for sure. I

come from a family --

BEARDSLEY: No doubt.

BANFIELD: -- of veterans as well --

BEARDSLEY: Keep him out of the classroom.

BANFIELD: -- going back to World War I. And you know what? Those guys got into airplanes that were made of papier mache and bailing wire. And the

only thing they had to fight with were pistols while they were trying to fly those flying tractors. These guys are brave. And it hasn`t changed.

I do know, though, Caroline, maybe a point that he was trying to make is that standards have been lowered in the past because, you know, we have

been at war for the better part of two decades now.

And maybe that`s something he was trying to say. Do you take issue with the notion that some say hey, you know, free speech, you can say what you want,

but in front of kids?

CAROLINE HELDMAN, PROFESSOR, OCCIDENTAL COLLEGE Well, I find it ironic that the military is fighting for Mr. Salcido`s ability to say this. And in

fact, the Supreme Court in 1969 found that students and teachers alike do not shed their constitutionally protected right to freedom of speech and

expression when they enter the schoolhouse gate.

So, I don`t agree with anything that he has said. I have military members in my family, veterans in my family. He is, as you pointed out, Ashleigh,

he is factually incorrect, but I defend his right to say this as an educator, as someone of a protected class. I believe that freedom of speech

is very important to protect absolutely unless it causes harm to others --

BANFIELD: I feel like that`s OK for college, Caroline, but when you`re talking with kids who are in grade school, they kind of take everything at

face value. They haven`t really developed the ability to discern between opinion and choosing opinion.

Don`t you think that it might be a little early in grade school to be lecturing that kind of an opinion? Maybe save that for the college campus?

HELDMAN: Well, Victor is a 17-year-old in high school who had the wherewithal to record this conversation and share it and push back against

it.

I think high school students like college students not only should have their freedom of speech protected but teachers and professors alike need to

have an extra layer of protection because when you look at who is pushing our culture forward, it`s students, it`s teachers, it`s professors.

We are saying the unpopular things. And as much as I don`t agree with Mr. Salcido, I absolutely defend his right to say it --

BANFIELD: OK.

HELDMAN: -- because the moment at which we start to clamp down --

BEARDSLEY: Hey, Caroline --

HELDMAN: -- is the moment that freedom of expression is threatened.

BANFIELD: Jason, those folks who didn`t agree with Mr. Salcido and have launched death threats if that`s true, I have not seen them, but if that is

true, do you have a message for those people who are reaching out in that way with their free speech?

BEARDSLEY: Yes, absolutely. Number one, Ashleigh, it`s not worth your time. You don`t mess with a person like this. And to take (INAUDIBLE) with the

previous comment, just because you have a constitutional right to do something doesn`t mean that that`s good. Would you defend a teacher in

classroom who is making racist comments? He didn`t just disparage the military --

HELDMAN: He made racist comments and I am not defending that. I am not defending that.

BEARDSLEY: -- people in the Middle East. OK, but you`re saying he should have the right to express these things, but that`s not why we hire our

teachers, by the way.

HELDMAN: The military is protecting his right to do that. We live in a democracy where freedom of speech is our number one fundamental right.

BEARDSLEY: Yes, OK.

BANFIELD: I got to leave it there.

BEARDSLEY: Does that mean that you want our teachers up there making racists comments?

BANFIELD: Look, I appreciate --

HELDMAN: No, absolutely not.

BANFIELD: -- both of your free speech and I appreciate both of your opinions. I think you both make good points. I think the bigger point here

is that, you know, we`re on the same team and to say those things about men and women who often don`t get to come home to see Twitter and cable TV and

all the rest, I think Mr. Salcido is probably going to be doing some soul searching in the future. Thank you so much.

BEARDSLEY: These are men and women at the end of the day they have your back.

BANFIELD: They`re on that wall, you know. Aaron Sorkin doesn`t use those words lightly, that`s why I borrow them. Caroline, Jason, thank you for

that. My thanks to Stephanie Elam as well.

Straight ahead, twin sisters who are also yoga instructors involved in one hell of an accident. Horrifying. It happened in Hawaii.

[18:35:00] One sister survived, though. And now she`s charged with her dead sister`s death. So, first of all, how she survived that. And second of all,

was this actually a murder?

[18:40:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: If you`ve driven a cliff side highway, you know how easily it can happen. Distracted by views or maybe somebody in your car, you can miss one

slight curve and in a moment meet your death.

That`s what it seemed like when police found the SUV of Alexandria and Anastasia Duval, two beautiful twin sisters in the prime of their life. The

SUV was located at the bottom of a 200-foot cliff on the east coast of Maui, and that was one hell of a wreck they came across.

It killed 37-year-old Anastasia. This pair had driven straight off the cliff like a tragic version of "Thelma and Louise" almost. And these

sisters were seemingly extraordinarily close. They did everything together like teaching yoga.

(START VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) and surrender at the same time. (INAUDIBLE). We love the energy. West Palm Beach is the heartbeat in this

entire district. And twin power yoga, our tag line is power the body, power the soul. That`s exactly what you get in our hot power yoga discipline.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: But the heartbreaking story about these twin sisters and their car crash quickly took on a new and very dark narrative, when witnesses

started talking about what they saw on the road moments before the twins crashed. They saw yelling and arguing and a lot of hair pulling. Hair

pulling so hard that the driver`s head is being yanked around.

And Anastasia`s death started to look to some a little less like an accident, especially when the officials found the car`s computer. Oh, those

forensics. They realized that just moments before the crash, that car was actually speeding up, literally going full throttle before making a sharp

left turn right off the cliff.

The twin who survived, the one who was driving that day, is charged with her sister`s murder. And she is facing a judge who`s going to have to

decide if this was an accident or if this was very much intentional.

Joining me now is Jesse Weber, host of Law and Crime Network. I am confused. If two women are fighting in the front seat, effectively a

domestic fight, why is it so implausible that the driver lost control? Why does it have to jump to murder?

JESSE WEBER, HOST, LAW AND CRIME NETWORK: I agree with you. I don`t think it`s implausible at all. I think it was a genius on the defense to put this

before a judge because it sounds like reasonable doubt. If you want to go to the state`s motive, they will say listen, that car was speeding at a

full rate of speed.

No one was hitting the brakes. That sharp left turn, that`s really where this mounts, that sharp left turn. And you`re going to hear testimony that

some people will say that even if they were fighting, even if someone was pulling the hair, despite doing that, you will not be not able to lose

control of the car in the way that it did.

They are saying that it was intentional, that she was intentionally going towards that cliff. The other side of the road, the other side of the

argument is --

BANFIELD: Listen, I got be honest. This isn`t just a little hair pulling. I don`t know. Can we show that autopsy photograph? I only do that because

it`s a really significant piece of evidence. The victim had hair in her hand still upon death. I mean, literally her sister`s hair was still in her

hand. This wasn`t just a little tugging. This was a brutal fight.

WEBER: See, it works both ways. They were fighting. No one is doubting they were fighting. The state could say, she was enraged. You keep hearing

witnesses say she was enraged, I heard their screaming. One witness even said they heard the defendant saying, I need a psychiatrist, I need a

psychiatrist.

BANFIELD: As they were driving along a twist and turn-like road?

WEBER: Right.

BANFIELD: Strange.

WEBER: And you have to take the witnesses with (INAUDIBLE) here, they`re seeing this car accident, it may not be so great to see, but it also for

the defense is, if she is struggling to fight off the passenger, you`re not going to have control of the car.

And it`s of course something could have happened. Now the defense is saying that when she hit that dirt (INAUDIBLE), that`s what made the car

accelerate and turn.

BANFIELD: Right beside you, you can see this -- listen, this is beautiful territory, but how did that twin survive this? Neither one was wearing a

seat belt, right?

WEBER: Steering wheel. She was behind the steering wheel. They say the steering wheel is what actually kept her alive. Now, I don`t know if the

steering wheel was pushed out a bit or if it would have been the same kind of situation.

It`s hard for me to fathom. If someone wants to kill another human being, they`re going to drive off the cliff. Having said that, we have seen

weirder things happen. But I put it this way.

It`s put before a judge because a judge knows the standards about reasonable doubt. And that`s what this seems like right here. It`s going to

be hard I think for the state to make their case. Seems like an uphill battle.

BANFIELD: By the way, Alexandria, the suspect in the case, well now the defendant, she was barely hurt. I think she was -- Inside Edition had some

pictures of her not long after those charges were dropped.

She was heading off in the airport and leaving town dressed beautifully. Do we have those images? It just seems very weird that -- look at this. She`s

got that one cast but the rest of her looks like she had not just gone off a 200-foot cliff and headed home.

WEBER: The prosecution is saying that

[18:45:00] she was taking off. She didn`t want to be anywhere near this. The state is saying she wasn`t trying to do that. But yes, she was only in

a sling in her preliminary hearing. She had some scratches. But if you hear what happened to Anastasia, she went right through the windshield. The car

flipped over. She was crushed by the rocks.

BANFIELD: Two hundred feet, for God sake, and neither was wearing a seat belt. I mean, that`s how they got Anastasia out of there. Of course,

Alexandria was walking to that airport of her own volition. Stand by for one second.

Cars today like planes have their own sort of black boxes and abilities to capture data. Prosecutors believe that the car Alexandria was driving has

the key evidence to prove her guilty. The forensics, straight ahead.

[18:50:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: Still talking about Alexandria Duval, the beautiful twin right now on trial for driving her sister off of a cliff. A crash that killed

Anastasia Duval. After witnesses on the highway saw her yanking at her sister`s hair.

(START VIDEO CLIP)

EMLYN HIGA, DEPUTY PROSECUTOR: The defendant intentionally or knowingly drove off that cliff thereby causing the death of her sister and be guilty

of murder in the second degree.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Now Alexandria is charged with her sister`s murder. She`s up against a lot of witness testimony plus some evidence from the car itself

like the auto equivalent of a (INAUDIBLE) black box which shows that that car was actually speeding up right before the crash. Could this be the key

to deciding whether the twin who survived is in fact guilty or innocent?

(START VIDEO CLIP)

BIRNEY BERVAR, ALEXANDRIA DUVAL`S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: There are photos of tire marks, some taken that night and some the next day. The tire marks

show the car not taking a sudden left turn but just running off the road. My client is not guilty.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: I want to bring in Corporal Dwaine Parker, a former traffic homicide investigator. Dwayne, this -- look, I think you kind of almost

have to act out, if you were the driver with your hands on the wheel and your right foot on the gas and someone is yanking your hair to the right,

it almost seems like it would be natural that your foot would try to balance you and step on the gas all the way to the floor and you try to

pull yourself back up into driving position by pulling on your steering wheel and that would be the left turn. Where am I wrong with this?

DWAINE PARKER, FORMER TRAFFIC HOMICIDE INVESTIGATOR (via telephone): You`re not, Ashleigh. You`re absolutely correct. By all accounts, the sister in

the passenger seat was the aggressor in this altercation and she`s pulling her. The Ford SUV doesn`t have a very tall console, so it`s not hard to

pull the driver out of that driver compartment and in that direction.

Like you said, the leg would naturally extend outward so she could gain some sort of balance or control with staying in the driver compartment. And

her hand if it`s on the wheel and she is being yanked to the right, it`s going to pull the wheel down as well.

BANFIELD: So all of that kind of black box stuff, I know the official name in the Ford is the restraint control module, but other people call it the

air bag control module, all that forensic electronic information, it`s all fascinating, but it also kind of supports that scenario.

And I just sort of wondered before I get to that, because I do want to ask if that`s a reenactment for a judge or if that`s crazy, I do want to ask

you, how on earth someone survives a crash like this?

PARKER (via telephone): Well, when the vehicle went over, if the car landed more on the passenger side, they are going to sustain the most damage and

the blunt of the force, and that would put the driver`s compartment further away from the scene of the actual crash where the car is hitting the rocks.

BANFIELD: No seat belts. It`s insane looking at this picture that anybody could have survived with no seat belts. One second, hold on. I want to

bring in defense attorney Anahita Sedaghatfar. She joins me again from Los Angeles.

Anahita, school me here. When it`s a bench trial and you`re just performing for the judge, do you actually, maybe as a defense attorney, bring in a

reenactment? And I just want our viewers to think about this for a minute.

If you`re sitting on your couch, put your hands in front of you, put your right foot out, and then imagine you`re being pulled towards the passenger

side and that you`re trying to right yourself. What happens with your foot? What happens with your hands? Would that be something they would do in a

courtroom?

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think that would probably be compelling evidence here, but again, I`m actually surprised, Ashleigh, that

she waived her right to a jury trial and this is, like you said, a bench trial.

I think what would be more critical in a case like this is to put it before a jury because, you know, judges really are very technical. They don`t tend

to be swayed by emotion.

When you have a jury of 12, it`s much more likely that you can possibly try to convince at least one of those jurors to sympathize with the defendant,

possibly humanize her. So, I think that would have been the better defense strategy here.

BANFIELD: Let`s see. Let`s see. This thing is just getting under way. It is interesting enough. I think we`ll probably stick with it. Anahita, thank

you. Dwaine and Jesse, thank you as well.

We are doing some math right now on this country`s opioid crisis. I don`t want to bore you with math, but we are trying to nail down something pretty

damn fishy. Why a small West Virginia town has millions and millions more pills than actual people?

[18:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: We have one more thing for you tonight, but it`s really like 20 million more things. Specifically, 20 million pills of hydrocodone and

oxycodone.

[19:00:00] According to a congressional committee, that is the shocking number of pills that were shipped to Williamson, West Virginia over a 10-

year period. And now works out to about 5,706 pills shipped every day. And here is what is weird. Only 3,000 people live there. So something doesn`t

add up there.

Congress is now investigating, particularly our nation wide prescription drug crisis and trying to determine how all of those pills could be sent to

small towns like Williamson without major alarm bells going off and for a lot of people it`s too late.

The next hour of CRIME AND JUSTICE starts right now.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD (voice-over): He led police on a high speed chase.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Approaching 100 miles an hour.

BANFIELD: For 60 miles.

BANFIELD: And he is going to blow right through that red light.

BANFIELD: That ended with bang.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh boy. Oh no.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s him right here.

BANFIELD: And then he bragged to his witnesses.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know who I am.

BANFIELD: Now he has got more to say from behind bars.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s no probable cause.

BANFIELD: Why he says he is on the right side of the law.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m all American.

BANFIELD: His student wanted to enlist and he responded like this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because we`ve got a bunch of dumb (bleep) over there. They are the freaking lowest of out low.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You better not go. Don`t you ever freaking bring that into this classroom.

BANFIELD: So, what should be the penalty for teachers who start preaching their own opinion.

She is accused of driving off a cliff on purpose.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No braking. Shows a hard acceleration on hard left turn.

BANFIELD: And killing her twin sister.

Violent fighting and hair pulling.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Violent, freighting, and hair-pulling.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But she is opted out of a jury so she is close to facing her fate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A reasonable doubt there was any criminal behavior whatsoever.

BANFIELD: Will her judge agree it was just a tragic accident?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The driver seat was being pulled to the side.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield.

And this is CRIME AND JUSTICE.

If you were driving in the Phoenix area last week, you were probably just trying to get from point a to point b, just minding your business. But if

you heard that, swap, swap sound of helicopter overhead, you may have seen this guy speeding past you. Single white male driving a red jeep Cherokee.

Going upwards of 115 miles and hour. You wouldn`t know that police have tried to pull him over for making an illegal lane change or that he had

refused to stop. You wouldn`t know that he was being followed by at least a dozen troopers as he approached downtown Tempe. And you wouldn`t know that

because of his ideology, the FBI would consider him a domestic terrorist. And that when he hit the side streets, he would be endangering lives.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s going really fast. Believe that`s a law enforcement truck. There we go. Looks like he is going to try to lock him in. Now

there`s some contact and he is taking off. He has run the red light there now. He is continuing in toward ASU now. And he is going to blow right

through that red light. Oh, my gosh. He`s really, really speeding up now. Oh, man. Lot of pedestrians on the roadway.

Yes. He`s flying now. He is going really fast. This is going to be -- this is not good. Oh, boy. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Head on collision with that

car. An innocent person involved in a head on crash. This is exactly what DPS wanted to avoid.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: That`s right. He had just plowed head on into another driver and wrecked his own car. But he wasn`t quite ready to surrender yet. Somehow

that driver was able to hop out and run towards the sidewalk where he actually asked the bystanders there who witnessed this crash if they

recognize him. And they don`t. But the police who arrive on the scene seconds later know exactly who he is.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s him right here. Hey. That`s him right here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You guys know who I am?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get on the ground.

[19:05:01] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. They are not fooled. And down he goes. Yes, he is trying to do some diversionary tactics there. And DPS not having

it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Not having any of it. 31-year-old Mitchell Taebel has been charged with aggregated assault and endangerment and unlawful flight. And

he is now being held on a $400,000 bond. But he is not being held back from defending himself. In a sort of, I don`t know, prisoner press conference,

the likes of which we really not seen before. You are going to want to buckle up for this one.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

MITCH TAEBEL, ASSAULT SUSPECT: Hi. How`s it`s going? OK. Everybody is recording. I`m going to cut to the chase and go right to it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We can`t hear you, though. We just have a microphone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your mics are over here.

TAEBEL: The mics are over there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We just want to hear you.

TAEBEL: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

TAEBEL: All right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.

TAEBEL: How you doing there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good. How are you?

TAEBEL: Channel 3, live?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. Channel 15.

TAEBEL: Good to see you. All right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you want to sit down? Do you want to sit down?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have relatives in the media business? You look familiar. `

TAEBEL: No, I`ll stand. All camera, you go. All right. I just want to say there`s no probable cause. It`s absolutely legal to resist arrest with

force to the extend of taking an officer`s life is necessary. That`s federal law. That`s U.S. Supreme Court case law that state said. And I want

to go back to the beginning and just say there`s no probable cause of reasonable suspicion or a traffic violation to make the stop in the first

place.

So I did not it, the vehicle. It was an unlawful attempt to make an unlawful arrest. There was sort of unlawful arrest and there is no probable

cause. I have had several issues with police before for being charged with things that I`m absolutely innocent of. And I`m filing suits against them

for those arrests.

So there seems to be a pattern here of several arrests against me for things I have not done. They are all in the federal courts. It`s all out

there for everybody to review. And this is another perfect example of being stopped and arrested for something that I did not do and without reasonable

cause. And the police are out of line here. They need better training.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Do they now? With me is Kathy Cline, reporter for KTRA News, 92.3.

Kathy, Kathy, Kathy. Where do I begin? One hundred and fifteen miles an hour. Did they clock him right around there?

They did indeed, Ashleigh. At one point during the pursuit he was clocked at 115 miles an hour.

KATHY CLINE, REPORTER FOR KTRA NEWS, 92.3 (on the phone): They, at one point, during the (INAUDIBLE) that 115 miles an hour.

BANFIELD: His big beef is that he had the right to endanger all those people on those freeways in his effort to evades the arrest because he

didn`t think that he done anything wrong originally that had them on his tail in the beginning. Explain.

CLINE: Well, what happened was a DPS trooper, department of public safety, that`s the Arizona version of the state police. They attempted to pull him

over west of Buckeye, Arizona which is about 50 miles west of Tempe where the crash happened. They attempted to pull him over for what they say was

an illegal lane change. And he sped off for what he -- in an attempt to avoid what he says was an illegal stop. And the chase was about 60 miles

into Tempe. The crash was right by the Arizona State University.

BANFIELD: All right. I want to play a little more. I mean, every time I see this crash, I think of how he spoke in such a smug manner during his news

conference. And we just basically pulled the highlights. You can get a taste of what this fella is all about. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

TAEBEL: How`s it going? OK. Everybody is recording? Hold on. I`m going to stand here and talk. All the cameras are going all right? How are you doing

there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good. How are you?

TAEBEL: Are you channel 3, live?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. Channel 15.

TAEBEL: All right. Good to see you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You want to sit down.

TAEBEL: You have relatives in the media business. You look so familiar.

No, I will stand. I`ll stand. I`m currently enrolled as ASU student. I take a couple of film making courses. I`m a film making major, you know. Have

you seen the police reports? Can I get a cup of water (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not until you get back into your housing unit.

TAEBEL: What`s that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not until you get back into your housing unit.

TAEBEL: OK. That`s fine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you have a message for the woman driving the black SUV that you crashed into right to go to hospital with injuries?

TAEBEL: Was it black or -- it was black, not gray?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was dark color.

TAEBEL: OK. What`s that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many cases like this have you won?

[19:10:02] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your suit, how many?

TAEBEL: OK. That`s it. We are wrapped up today. So ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for coming.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Like we got a regular Spielberg out there, right.

I want to bring in, if I can, Jim Hurt. Jim witnessed this crash and the police chase of the suspect.

Jim, what did you see?

JIM HURT, WITNESSED CRASH AND SUSPECT PURSUIT (on the phone): Pardon me.

BANFIELD: Ji, can you explain to me what exactly what you saw?

HURT: Yes. I was following on news up on my phone so I knew they were heading our way. So we went out the front door just in time to see his car

go sliding by.

BANFIELD: And you video tape this ground scene, right. Like this is your phone that we are seeing recording as he runs out and says you know who I

am?

HURT: Yes, it is. I had the phone in my hand because I was - we were watching the chase up until I got to Arizona state. An once the car slid

by, I decided to turn my camera on. And I got him just after he got out of the car.

BANFIELD: So we could hear him saying do you know who I am? But did he say anything else?

HURT: He was -- first thing he said is the cops were crazy. And then when he turned around and walked back towards us, he said that just asked if we

knew who he was. I tried to get him to sit down. But as soon as the police started rolling up, he walked up and just caught.

BANFIELD: So you know the question, do you know who he is. The police have a pretty good theory about this guy and what his beliefs are when he start

citing U.S. code and says he has the right to kill cops and evade the rest if they don`t have probable cause. A stated cause, and I`m not sure if it

is (INAUDIBLE), IS 29-year Phoenix police veteran. And he says this guy is what you call constitutionalist. And he is not the only one. Have a listen

to how he put it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TAEBEL: OK. Everybody`s recording. I`m going to cut to chase. Hold on. Hold on. I`m going to stand here and talk. All the cameras are going already.

How are you doing there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good. How are you?

DAVID KOTHE, 26 YEARS WITH PHOENIX POLICE DEPARTMENT: They are constitutionalists. They strictly believe that the only law of the land is

the constitution and the federal government. When I encountered them, plenty of back-up, plenty of other officers on the scene. You don`t want to

take a chance with somebody who in their minds says OK, there is law enforcement, not a federal law enforcement officer. If I want to in my

mind, I have the right if he tries to do anything to me to use deadly force. The worst case example of that would have been Timothy McVeigh and

the Oklahoma city bombing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So with me is former Arizona police officer, Brandon Tatum.

Brandon, school me on U.S. code 241, 242. Does it really allow you to kill a police officer if you don`t think they have probable cause and you decide

to flee?

BRANDON TATUM, FORMER ARIZONA POLICE OFFICER: No, it does not allow you to kill a police officer. And the problem here is that that`s why you have a

court -- that`s why you have the court system, OK. When someone -- a police officer decides that they are going to pull you over, you comply. You have

a conversation with the police officer and if you disagree, you go to court. You don`t do court -- curb side justice.

So this man is delusional. And obviously, he has a mental illness which is a huge problem in America. He has a mental illness that needs to be

treated. And I want to not confuse him with actual sovereign citizens. This guy is just off his meds and he is doing crazy stuff. He want media

attention. He is going on a high speed chase hoping and gambling with his life.

But there are people out here that literally will kill police. They ride around armed, you know. And they are a huge threat to our society. This guy

is a person with a mental illness. Some of those southern citizens are literally militarized people who go around and if they ever get confronted

by anybody in law enforcement they will shoot and kill them.

BANFIELD: So right now, this guy is facing aggravated assault, two counts of endangerment, unlawful flight, $400,000 bond and he is threatening to

sue because he thought it was degrading when he held his news conference and had to wear handcuffs. But when asked after how many lawsuits he has

won, after he had said he has done it in the past, he said that`s about all the time we have, folks.

And that`s all about time we have, folks for that one. Thanks to my guests.

A California teacher goes on unbelievable rant about the military in class.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because we have a bunch of dumb shits over there. Think about the people who you know who are over there, your freaking stupid

Uncle Louie, or whatever, they are dumb shits. They are not like high-level thinkers, they are not academic people, they are not intellectual people.

They are the freaking lowest of our low.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Infuriating ignorant. And you can bet ass that I got something to say about that next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:19:31] BANFIELD: Victor Quinones is 17 years old. A senior at a high school in Southern California who happened to be wearing a sweatshirt to

school one day on Friday, in fact, with one word across the chest, Marines. Nice tribute to his dad who happens to be a United States marine.

But now thanks to a video that is exploding online we know one of Victor`s teachers took notice of that sweatshirt imploring Victor to explain that he

plans to join the military after he graduates from that school. And teacher offered Victor and all of his classmates this lecture in response. And one

word of advice for you here -- hold on.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

[19:20:15] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We all have freaking nigh-vision goggles, all that kind of stuff, and we can`t freaking control these dudes wearing

freaking robes and chanclas. Because we have a bunch of dumb shits over there. Think about the people who you know who are over there, your

freaking stupid Uncle Louie, or whatever, they are dumb shits. They are not like high-level thinkers, they are not academic people, they are not

intellectual people. They are the freaking lowest of our low. Not morally. You know, I`m not saying they make bad moral decisions, just they are not

talented people. The data is in, we don`t have a good military. We haven`t been able to beat these guys wearing freaking robes and chanclas for 15

year. And you are telling me - we couldn`t beast the Vietnamese. They are bunch of people this freaking big throwing rice to us. We couldn`t freaking

beat them.

Anyway, you better not freaking go. Don`t wear that in here.

So, if you join the military, it`s because you have no other options. Because you didn`t take care of business academically. Because your parents

didn`t love you enough to push you and you didn`t love yourself enough to push yourself, which isn`t even that hard. It is not even that hard. You

just have focus a little bit. You don`t even have to work hard. You just have focus.

I don`t understand why we let the freaking military guys come over here and recruit you in schools. We don`t have pimps come into school. Anyone

interested in being a ho?

And they are going to freaking lie to you and they are going to tell you. And this is what you guys always them. I`m going to the military. Why? So I

can have them pay for my college. Bull-freaking shit.

If you were interested in college, would you ever consider the military? No. But you bullshit yourself because you wasted 13 years of your education

and you have no other options.

And you trying to figure out what am I going to do and then they give all that bullshit. See the world. See the freaking world.

You done see freaking see the world, you are on a freaking ship or something like that. What do you think you are on vacation? It`s freaking

stupid.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: Gregory Salcedo was not at school today. And we are learning tonight that he is not coming back either.

Where do we even begin? An American teacher teaching kids about the military and equating it to members of, you know, gangs like pimps who

traffic in crimes and sell their victims into the sex trade.

Let`s break down this teacher`s logic. I mean, let`s really break it down here. He lectured this classroom that our troops currently serving overseas

are dumb shits, not high level thinkers, not academic people, the lowest of the low. I assume that Mr. Salcedo counts himself among the elite padre of

high level academic and intellectuals. He is a teacher, right, which is ironic because only a dumb shit would say what he just said.

And here is what he gets schooled. According to last statistics from the defense department, that`s the government body responsible for the

military, our military is pretty damn educated. Nearly 83 percent of military officers had bachelor`s degree or higher. And that compared with

just 30 percent of the general population.

And when it comes to those enlisted men and women, the grunts who do all the hard work, many still in their teens just out of school, 91 percent of

enlisted soldiers had a high school diploma or some college. And that compares to 59 percent of the their civilian counterparts.

Mr. Salcedo, when you told those kids quote "we couldn`t beat the Vietnamese, they are bunch of people, this freaking thing throwing rice at

us." Did you look around your classroom to see if there were any Vietnamese-American kids? Or was it just find a slide those people behind

their back? Real brave. Is that your idea of giving the classroom a good education?

I don`t know if you got your teaching degree from inside a Kellogg`s box but there are definitely a few facts that you should know. Even if you

never end up inside another classroom.

The United States military is not full of dumb shits. It`s full of people who are more honorable and brave than you will ever be like U.S. marine

Lance Corporal William Carpenter. That guys, on your screen, he jumped on a grenade in Afghanistan to save his pal, a fellow marine. And he got a Medal

of Honor for it. And he also got body full of shrapnel that he will carry with him for the rest of his life.

And chief petty officer Edward Barrios, Junior, Unites States Navy. That guy , he rushed in to a building filled with enemy combatants engaged in

hand to hand combat then threw himself on top of an American hostage to shield that guy from getting gunfire and still somehow fire a hostage out

of life. He also got a Medal of Honor.

You, sir, got shot by an iPhone. Let that sink in. There are thousands more servicemen like William and Edward who thank the good Lord above we are not

in your classroom before they signed up for service. And then there`s that whole part where you railed on the reasons people enlist in the first place

and what kind of future they are destined for. You told those kid quote "so if you join the military it`s because you didn`t have other options because

you didn`t take care of business academically. Or your parents didn`t love you enough to push you and then you didn`t love yourself enough to push

yourself," end quote.

Again, Mr. Salcedo, do your own homework. Did you know that some of the biggest and most profitable companies in America were started by United

States veterans. We are talking ReMax, FedEx, Walmart, GoDaddy, USAA.

And here are a few other famous faces who have changed and improved the landscape but not before treading across as soldiers, sailors, airmen or

marines.

Bob Dole, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, George Carlin, Steve McQueen, Ice- T., Morgan Freeman, Chuck Norris, Mr. T., Johnny Cash, Clint Eastwood, Elvis Presley.

Twenty-six of our presidents served in the U.S. military. And I say that qualifies them to be among high level thinkers.

And that brings me to my last point, when you admonish that kid wearing the marines sweatshirt and I`ll quote you, "don`t ever freaking bring the

freaking military to this class." I really like to hear you say that if a guy like Senator John McCain was standing in front of you. He took six

years of beating inside the (INAUDIBLE). And he could have been freed at any time, could have gone home but he chose to stay in that torture chamber

with his men out of duty and honor integrity and grit. And he went onto serve this country for the rest of his life, 31 years as a U.S. senator.

And it`s a life that he is holding onto preciously right now as he battles cancer.

Now that is a lesson you could have shared with those kids. Instead you will be lucky if you ever share another lesson at all. But I sure do hope

that you make amends with that kid wearing the marines sweatshirt. Because when shit goes sideways in America with places like North Korea and Russia

and Syria, that`s the kid who is going to have your back. He will be one of the few good men and you are going to want him on that wall. You are going

to need him on that wall.

With me now from Los Angeles CNN correspondent Stephanie Elam.

Where is Mr. Salcedo now? What is his circumstance?

[19:27:48] STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we believe he is actually in his home. We had a CNN producer out there knocking on doors

talking to people. And while out there, I should also let you know, actually there are people driving by supporting the military. And there`s

other people driving by supporting this teacher.

I know some people would not have said that they would have not finish high if it hasn`t been for this teacher. But a lot of people who also feel like

if this man felt so strongly, as you said, he should say it to people who have actually served in the military and are veterans.

But we do know is that he will not be returning to the classroom. The school board president actually saying he is not coming back to this

classroom and will deal with the issue next week.

BANFIELD: Stephanie, any truth to this reporting that he is getting death threats?

ELAM: That what he says. He is getting - I mean, if you look at twitter, you can see people are definitely talking about it. He says that he is

getting death threats. But you know, at the same time the student, Victor, is not in school because he`s afraid too of people siding with this

teacher. So he is staying away from school as is his brother who is a sophomore.

BANFIELD: Every part of that is wrong. As angry as I am about what he said to those kids, particularly Victor, whose dad is a marine, your free speech

does not extend to threatening people`s lives. And you don`t get to threaten Mr. Salcedo either.

Look, he can take it on the chin on twitter and be criticized for what he said but death threats not acceptable. Not at all.

I want to bring in Jason Beardsley, former U.S. army special ops and advisor for concerned veterans of America and Carolyn (INAUDIBLE),

professor of Accidental college in Los Angeles.

Thank you to you both.

Jason, if I can speak with you first. Just your reaction to hearing those words spoken at great level in a classroom.

JASON BEARDSLEY, FORMER U.S. ARMY SPECIAL OPERATIONS: Ashleigh, first of all, thank you for laying out an excellent case. This man is off the rails.

And let me just first say semper fi to all the Marines out there and those who served probably in this country, armed services from all branches.

Victor, the student, he is the one appropriately named because he holds the victory and the high ground in this -- this is not even a conversation. For

that man to besmirch (ph) and disparage the reputation of men and women who serve in the arm forced is ridiculous and it shows his ignorance.

You know, there is an old comment, right. Keep your mouth shut and people might think you are an idiot but if you open your might you may just go

ahead and prove it. And in this case, I think he has proven this. Our military comes from some of the best families. I know, for me, it was a

first choice. I was loved by my families. I spent time earning this pin, learning Arabic, learning other languages, traveling the world, and working

with some of the most intellectual people I`ve known. They trained doctors, people land aircrafts in the middle of the ocean on a postage stamp on --

flying it`s, you know, $16 million aircraft. These are not the lowest of the low. These are some of the most respected men and women that --

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HLN HOST: And --

BEARDSLEY: -- this country knows.

BANFIELD: -- they`re not dumbshits. And they don`t deserve to be --

BEARDSLEY: And he should never be allowed around students again.

BANFIELD: They don`t deserve to be called "dumbshits." That`s for sure. I come from a family --

BEARDSLEY: No doubt. Keep him out of the classroom.

BANFIELD: -- of veterans as well. Going back to -- going back to World War I. And you know what? Those guys got into -- to airplanes that were made of

paper mache and bailing wire. And the only thing they had to fight with were pistols while they were trying to fly those flying tractors. These

guys are brave and it hasn`t changed. I do know, though -- Caroline, maybe a point that he was trying to make is that standards have been lowered in

the past because, you know, we`ve been at war for the better part of two decades now. And maybe that`s something he was trying to say. Do you take

issue with the notion that some say, "Hey, you know, free speech. You can say what you want," but in front of a kid?

CAROLINE HEIDMAN, PROFESSOR, OCCIDENTAL COLLEGE AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZER AND ACTIVIST: Well, I find it ironic that the military is fighting for Mr.

Salcido`s ability to say this. And in fact, the Supreme Court in 1969 found that students and teachers alike do not shed their constitutionally

protected right to freedom of speech and expression when they enter the schoolhouse gate. So, I don`t agree with anything that he has said. I have

military members in my family, veterans in my family. He is, as you pointed out, Ashleigh, he is factually incorrect. But I defend his right to say

this as an educator, as someone of a protected class, I believe that freedom of speech is very important to protect absolutely unless it causes

harm to others in a -- in a mediate way.

BANFIELD: I feel like that`s OK for college, Caroline, but when you`re talking with kids who are in grade school, they kind of take everything at

face value. They haven`t really developed the ability to discern between opinion and choosing opinion. So, don`t you think that it might be a little

early in grade school to be lecturing that kind of an opinion? Maybe save that for the college campus?

HEIDMAN: Well, Victor is a 17-year-old in high school who had the wherewithal to record share this conversation and share it and push back

against it. I think high school students, like college students, not only should have their freedom of speech protected but teachers and professors

alike need to have an extra layer of protection --

BANFIELD: So --

HEIDMAN: -- because when you look at who is pushing our culture forward, it`s students, it`s teachers, it`s professors. We are saying the unpopular

things. And as much as I don`t agree with Mr. Salcido, I absolutely defend his right to say it --

BANFIELD: OK.

HEIDMAN: -- because the moment at which we start to clamp down --

BEARDSLEY: Hey, Caroline.

HEIDMAN: -- is the moment which freedom of expression is threatened.

BANFIELD: So, Jason, those folks that -- those folks who didn`t agree Mr. Salcido and have launched death threats, if that`s true, I have not seen

them, but if that is true, do you have a message for those people who are reaching out in that way with their free speech?

BEARDSLEY: Yes, absolutely. Number one, Ashleigh, it`s not worth your time. You don`t mess with a person like this. And to take a umbrage with the

previous comments, just because you have a constitutional right to do something, doesn`t mean that that`s good. You -- would you defend a teacher

in classroom who`s making racist comments? He didn`t just disparage the military --

(CROSSTALK)

HEIDMAN: He made racist comments and I`m not defending that.

BEARDSLEY: -- against -- no --

(CROSSTALK)

HEIDMAN: And I`m not defending that.

BEARDSLEY: The people in the Middle East. OK, but you`re saying he should have the right to express these things but that`s not why we hire our

teachers, by the way.

HEIDMAN: The military is protecting his right to do that.

BEARDSLEY: We hire teachers to educate our children.

(CROSSTALK)

HEIDMAN: We live in a democracy where freedom of speech is our number one fundamental right.

BEARDSLEY: Yes, OK.

BANFIELD: I got to leave it there. I so appreciate --

BEARDSLEY: Does that mean -- does that mean that you want our teachers up there making racists comments?

BANFIELD: Look, I appreciate both of your --

HEIDMAN: No, absolutely not.

BANFIELD: -- free speech and I appreciate both of your opinions. And I think you both make good points. I think the bigger point here is that, you

know, we`re all on the same team and to say those things about men and women who often don`t get to come home to see Twitter and cable T.V. and

all the rest, I think Mr. Salcido is probably going to be doing some soul searching in the future. Thank you so much, Jason.

BEARDSLEY: Yes, and these are men and women -- at the end of the day they have your back.

BANFIELD: And they`re on that wall. You know? (INAUDIBLE) doesn`t use those words lightly, that`s why I borrowed them. Caroline, Jason, thank you for

that. My thanks to Stephanie Elam as well.

Straight ahead, twin sisters who are also yoga instructors involved in one hell of an accident. Horrifying. It happened in Hawaii. One sister

survived, though. And now, she`s charged with her dead sister`s death. So, first of all, how did she survive that? And second of all, was this

actually a murder?

[19:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: Have you ever driven a cliff-side highway? You know how easily it can happen. Distracted by views or maybe somebody in your car. You can miss

one slight curve and in a moment meet your death. That`s what it seemed like when police found the SUV of Alexandria and Anastasia Duval. Two

beautiful twin sisters in the prime of their life. The SUV was located at the bottom of a 200 foot cliff on the east coast of Maui. And that was one

hell of a wreck they came across. It killed 37-year-old Anastasia.

[19:40:04] This pair had driven straight off the cliff like a tragic version of Thelma and Louise almost. And these sisters were seemingly

extraordinarily close. They did everything together like teaching yoga.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ALEXANDRIA DUVAL, DEFENDANT: There is sweat and surrender at the same time with (INAUDIBLE)

ANASTASIA DUVAL, TWIN SISTER: We love the energy. West Palm Beach is the heartbeat in this entire district.

AL DUVAL: In Twin Power Yoga, our tag line is "Power the body, power the soul." That`s exactly what you get in our hot power yoga discipline.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: But the heart-breaking story about these twin sisters and their car crash quickly took on a new and very dark narrative. When witnesses

started talking about what they saw on the road moments before the twins` crash, they saw yelling and arguing and a lot of hair pulling. Hair pulling

so hard that the driver`s head is being yanked around. And Anastasia`s death started to look to some a little less like an accident especially

when the officials found the car`s computer. Oh, those forensics. They realized that just moments before the crash, that car was actually speeding

up, literally, going full throttle before making a sharp left turn right off that cliff. Now, the twin who survived, the one who was driving that

day, is charged with her sister`s murder. And she`s facing a judge who`s going to have to decide if this was an accident or if this was very much

intentional.

Joining me now is Jesse Weber, host of "Law & Crime Network." I`m confused. If two women are fighting in the front seat, effectively, a domestic fight,

why is it so implausible that the driver lost control. Why does it have to jump to murder?

JESSE WEBER: I agree with you. I don`t think it`s implausible at all. And I think it was a genius move on the defense to put this before a judge

because it sounds like reasonable doubt. Now, if you want to go to the state`s motive, they will say, listen, that car was speeding at a full rate

of speed. There is -- no one was hitting the brakes. That sharp left turn, that`s really where this mounts, that sharp left turn. And you`re going to

hear testimony that some people will say that even if they were fighting, if even if someone was pulling the hair, and despite doing that, you will

not be able to lose control of the car in the way it did. They`re saying that it was intentional. That she was intentionally going towards that

cliff. The other side of the road -- the other side of the argument is --

BANFIELD: And listen, I got to be honest.

WEBER: Yes.

BANFIELD: This isn`t just a little hair pulling. I don`t know -- can we show that autopsy photograph? And I only do that because it`s a really

significant piece of evidence. The victim had hair in her hand still upon death. I mean, literally her sister`s hair was still in her hand. This

wasn`t just a little tugging. This was a brutal fight.

WEBER: See, it works both ways. They were fighting. No one is doubting they were fighting. Now, if you want to see the state could say she was enraged.

Now, you keep hearing witnesses saying she was enraged. They heard her screaming. One witness even said they heard the defendant saying, "I need a

psychiatrist. I need a psychiatrist."

BANFIELD: They said that they`re driving along a twist and turn-like road - -

WEBER: Right.

BANFIELD: -- is strange.

WEBER: And you have to take the witnesses with a grain of salt here. They`re seeing this car accident. It might not be so great to see but --

and also, for the defences, if they`re -- if she is struggling to fight off the passenger, you`re not going to have control of the car. And it`s, of

course, something could have happened. Now, the defense is saying that when she hurt that -- hit that dirt bream, that`s what made the car accelerate

in turn.

BANFIELD: Right beside you, you can see this -- you know, listen, this is beautiful territory but how did that twin survive this? Neither one was

wearing a seat belt, right?

WEBER: Steering wheel. She was behind the steering wheel. They say the steering wheel is what actually kept her alive. Now, I don`t know if that

steering wheel was pushed out a little bit (INAUDIBLE) or if it would have been the same kind of situation. It`s hard for me to fathom if someone

wants to kill another human being, they`re going to drive off the cliff. Now, having said that, we`ve seen weirder things happen. But I put it this

way, it`s put before a judge because a judge knows the standard about reasonable doubt. And that`s what this seems like right here. It`s going to

be hard, I think, for the state to make their case. It seems like an uphill battle.

BANFIELD: And by the way, Alexandria, the suspect in the case, well, now, the defendant, she was barely hurt. She was -- I think she was -- I think

"INSIDE EDITION" had some pictures of her not long after those charges were dropped. She was heading off in the airport and leaving town dressed

beautifully. Do we have those images? It just seemed very weird that -- look at this. I mean, she`s got that one cast but the rest of her looks

like she had not just gone off a 200 foot cliff and was headed home.

WEBER: Yes, the prosecution is saying that she was taking off. She didn`t want to be anywhere near this. And that the state is saying, whoa, whoa,

whoa, she wasn`t trying to do that. But yes, she was only in a sling in her preliminary hearing. She had some scratches. But if you hear what happened

to Anastasia, she went right through the wind shield. I mean, she -- the car flipped over.

BANFIELD: Yes.

WEBER: She was crushed by the rocks.

BANFIELD: 200 feet, for God sake, and neither was wearing a seat belt. And this -- how she -- I mean, that`s how they got Anastasia out of there, and

of course, Alexandria was walking to the airport of her own volition.

[19:44:58] Stand by for one second. Cars today, like planes, have their own sort of black boxes and their ability to capture data. And prosecutors

believe that the car Alexandria was driving has the key evidence to prove her guilt. The forensics, straight ahead.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:50:04] BANFIELD: Still talking about Alexandria Duval. The beautiful twin, right now on trial for driving her sister off of a cliff. A crash

that killed Anastasia Duval after witnesses on the highway saw her yanking at her sister`s hair.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

EMLYN HIGA, DEPUTY PROSECUTOR: The defendant intentionally or knowingly drove off that cliff thereby causing the death of her sister and be guilty

of murder in the second degree.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Now, Alexandria is charged with her sister`s murder. And she`s up against a lot of witness testimony plus some evidence in the car itself

like the auto equivalent of a downed airplane`s black box, which it shows that that car was actually speeding up right before the crash. Could this

be the key to deciding whether the twin who survived is, in fact, guilty or innocent?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BIRNEY BERVAR, ALEXANDRIA DUVAL`S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: There`s photos of tire marks, some taken that night and some the next day. The tire marks show the

car not taking a sudden left turn but just running off the road, that my client is not guilty.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: I want to bring in Corporal Dwaine Parker, a former traffic homicide investigator. Dwaine, this -- look, I think you kind of almost

have to act out. If you were the driver with your hands on the wheel and your right foot on the gas and someone`s yanking your hair to the right, it

almost seems like it would be natural that your foot would try to balance you and step on the gas all the way to the floor and you try to pull

yourself back up into driving position by pulling on your steering wheel and that would be the left turn. Where am I wrong with this?

CPL. DWAINE PARKER, FORMER TRAFFIC HOMICIDE INVESTIGATOR (through telephone): You`re not, Ashleigh. I think you`re absolutely correct. And by

all accounts, the sister in the passenger seat was the aggressor in this altercation. And she`s pulling her, and the Ford SUV doesn`t have a very

tall console. So it`s not hard to pull that driver out of that driver compartment and in that direction. And like you said, the leg would

naturally extend outward so she could gain some sort of balance or control with staying in the driver compartment. And her hand, if it`s on the wheel

and she`s being yanked to the right, it`s going to pull the wheel down as well. And so that would --

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: So, all of that -- all of that kind of black box stuff, you know, I know the official name in the Ford is the, what, the Restraint Control

Module, but other call it the Air Bag Control Module, all of that forensic electronic information, it`s all fascinating, but it also kind of supports

that scenario. And I just sort of wondered, before I get to that, because I do want to ask if that`s a re-enactment for a judge or if that`s crazy. I

do want to ask you, how on earth someone survives a crash like this?

PARKER: Well, if the -- well, when the vehicle went over, if the car landed more on the passenger side, they`re going to sustain the most damage and

the brunt of the force, and that would put the driver`s compartment further away from the scene of the actual crash where the car is hitting the rocks.

And so, it was just a few feet --

BANFIELD: They had no seatbelts! It`s insane looking at this picture that anybody could have survived with no seatbelts. One second, hold on. I want

to bring in Defense Attorney Anahita Sedaghatfar. She joins me again from Los Angeles. Anahita, school me here. When it`s a bench trial and you`re

just performing for the judge, do you actually maybe as a defense attorney bring in a re-enactment? And I just want our viewers to think about this

for a minute, if you`re sitting on your couch, put your hands in front of you, put your right foot out and then imagine you`re being pulled towards

the passenger side and that you`re trying to right yourself, what happens with your foot, what happens with your -- with your hands, would that be

something they would do in a courtroom?

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think that would probably be compelling evidence here, but again, when -- I`m actually surprised,

Ashleigh, that she waived her right to a jury trial and this is, like you said, a bench trial. I think what would be more critical in a case like

this is to put it before a jury because, you know, judges really are very technical, they don`t tend to be swayed by emotion. When you have a jury of

12, it`s much more likely that you can possibly try to convince at least one of those jurors to sympathize with the defendant, possibly humanize

her. So, I think that would have been the better defense strategy here.

BANFIELD: Well, let`s see. Let`s see. This thing`s just getting underway, and it`s interesting enough, I think we`ll probably stick with it. Anahita,

thank you. Dwaine and Jesse, thank you, as well.

We are doing some math right now on this country`s opioid crisis, and I don`t want to bore you with math, but we are trying to nail down something

pretty damn fishy. Why a small West Virginia town had millions and millions more pills than actual people.

[19:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: And just "ONE MORE THING" before you go tonight, comes from a little town called Williamson, West Virginia, where the population is

3,000. Little. But a Congressional Committee is saying 5700 pills of hydrocodone and oxycodone were shipped there every single day over the last

10 years. And if you do quick arithmetic, that`s 20 million pills altogether, which means that everyone in Williamson would have to be pop

two a day to be using them all up. So, something is not stacking up and Congress is worried about it. And they`re now investigating how towns like

Williamson play a part in our deadly opioid epidemic. Thanks for being here, everyone, we`ll see you back here tomorrow night 6:00 Eastern. Now,

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