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Trump Surprises Dr. Oz With Results Of Physical; New York AG Opens Investigation Into Trump Foundation; Hacked Powell Email: Trump "An International Pariah" Aired 2-2:30p ET

Aired September 14, 2016 - 14:00   ET



[14:00:33] BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Brooke Baldwin, thank you so much for being with me. This is CNN. Fifty five days until the presidential election and many of you have concerns. You will be casting ballots in the dark.

Both candidates here famous but not necessarily well known and both still keeping key details about themselves out of public eye.

Now Donald Trump is responding to the growing chorus of demands releasing more details today on his own personal health. The whole episode giving political observers a proverbial case of whiplash.

First, this was hailed Trump would make the big reveal on the Dr. Oz show which, by the way, taped this morning here in New York. Then just a couple hours ahead of when Trump was said to appear, the campaign actually said, no, no, there will be no disclosure of the physical that he underwent with his own personal doctor last week.

But then Trump reversed course, presenting, according to the campaign, a one-page summary of his physical exam results to Dr. Oz. So what do the results show?

Let's get straight to Kelly Plat, who happened to be in today's audience, she's a pharmacist intern who plans to vote for Trump. So Kelly, thanks for stopping by and welcome.


BALDWIN: So how did it go? How healthy is Donald Trump?

PLATT: I think the show went very well, I was very impressed with Donald Trump, impressed with his health report. The crowd was excited to see him there. It was a once in a lifetime opportunity to be there to hear his speech to hear his -- I would say his plans for everybody, plans for things that he wants to implement in the United States.

BALDWIN: OK, let's just stay on his health, if we can, Kelly, and I understand he talked a little bit about in the past having higher cholesterol and that he wants to lose a little bit of weight. What do you recall from that piece of the conversation? PLATT: Well, I know he stated that he gave a letter from his doctor that he is the epitome of health and I believe him on that, you can see it. He looks it. You can see he's a very healthy man and Dr. Oz agreed with him after Dr. Oz even read the letters from his physician.

And everybody can have the opportunity to lose a little weight, just be healthier and lower your cholesterol and that's one thing Donald Trump mentioned was that his cholesterol was high at one time.

And he was put on statins to lower his cholesterol and he has zero health issues. He has no heart problem and no other health issues, which will be harming him for his presidential run.

BALDWIN: Did he talk, Kelly, at all -- you talk how he's the epitome of health. Did he talk about what he eats? I know he has a penchant for fast food on the trail.

PLATT: I'm sorry, can you repeat that?

BALDWIN: Did he talk about what he eats?

PLATT: He eats very healthy from what he said. Occasionally, he might want to go for a quick hamburger. However, he has to go for quick hamburger if they're hungry if they go to a fast food place so as long as you don't go fast food places frequently, everybody can be on a healthy food plan.

BALDWIN: I know he's a busy man. I can't imagine the zigzagging ahead of November 8, but does he exercise? Did he talk about that at all?

PLATT: He said he does not exercise, but just going to all these functions where he's meeting with 35,000 people, 45,000 people and you're sitting there walking through everyone, that's exercise. To me that is exercise.

So you may not be going to the gym and lifting weights but going to all these political functions where he's constantly walking, walking is very good, and walking is a part of the exercise regimen.

BALDWIN: Did he say anything that surprised you or did you have a favorite moment?

PLATT: I know he likes to play golf, but he hasn't had time to play a lot of golf, being on the presidential run and the campaign trail, there's not a lot of time for extracurricular activities where he can go play golf, but I know he can play golf with the PGA players and I believe he's telling the truth on that.

BALDWIN: He said -- he remarked he's so good at golf he could do the PGA tour. Kelly Platt, you had the quite the experience today. Thank you so much from sharing it, fast food and Dr. Oz, welcome to the 2016 presidential race.

Let's talk bigger picture here. Joining me, Dr. Devi Nampiaparampil, who is an assistant professor at New York University School of Medicine, Mark Preston is our CNN political editor, and Drew Griffin, CNN senior investigative correspondent.

[14:05:14]So hello to all of you. First to you as the doctor, as the MD on the set, my question is, listening to Kelly and hearing specifically apparently Trump said he wanted to lose 15 to 20 pounds. She said epitome of health. Again, total transparency, you've never examined Mr. Trump.


BALDWIN: Quick assessment.

NAMPIAPARAMPIL: In general, for somebody who's that age, who's had high cholesterol in the past who likes fast food you'd screen for heart disease to make sure that cardiovascularly this person is OK especially if they are not exercising as much. Now, of course, he doesn't have a sedentary lifestyle --

BALDWIN: She says he speaks to 45,000 person crowd and that's exercise. Your assessment?

NAMPIAPARAMPIL: Walking a lot is. We have concerns about people having a sedentary lifestyle where they are always sitting down, but I will say, you know, there's no standard history in physical exam.

There's three different ways that doctors approach it. First, they look at the symptoms that people are reporting so for him, you know, the focus would be a little more on his cardiovascular health.

But then also people do general sort of screening tests so for example, if somebody has absolutely, what kind of tests would you do in that person?

And then of course, there's a third type of test where you have a pre- op test, can you withstand the stress of surgery or perhaps the stress of presidency and do more intensive tests based on that.

BALDWIN: So we don't know specifically whether he was told to hop on a treadmill, blood tests that kind of thing, we don't have that. Drew Griffin, you look at me and you laugh. You chased down -- is it Dr. Brownstein?


BALDWIN: Dr. Harold Bornstein recently, who is Mr. Trump's doctor who gave him this assessment. Let me play a piece of your interview just recently.


GRIFFIN: You fully -- whatever you wrote in that letter you fully believe Mr. Trump is capable of being president physically?

DR. HAROLD BORNSTEIN, DONALD TRUMP'S DOCTOR: Absolutely. There's no question. GRIFFIN: Why did you write that letter? Was it a joke? The words you chose, the way you wrote it.

BORNSTEIN: I was rushing, I had people to see.


BALDWIN: Tell me more about his background and that conversation.

GRIFFIN: He graduated from Tufts University, he took over the practice from his father who's a Harvard medical grad. He's been on the Upper East Side for 30 years. He's been Trump's doctor for as long.

They met apparently in Jamaica queens through his mother, the doctor's mother brought the Trumps in as clients so they have been Trump's physician for quite a long time and he probably has a long, long history of knowing what Trump's ailments are.

At question at the time was that very terse little verbose language that he wrote in his one page summary. The guy is not your standard doctor. That's not Marcus Welby there. He's a little different.

But I don't think that says anything about the value of his treatment for Donald Trump. Clearly Donald Trump seems to be a healthy man and this doctor says, look, I've examined the guy for decades, he's healthy.

BALDWIN: Do you know if we'll be getting more from him publicly this week?

GRIFFIN: After that interview, I guess you would call it, his wife broke it up. There was a lot of tense situations going on and the wife doesn't like the attention she's getting. But I wrote him a letter and he called me back and said, "Listen, call me any time if you have any questions if I don't have to violate patient confidentiality, I will talk to you."


GRIFFIN: When I heard Donald Trump was having another physical I picked up the phone and called him and his office said "Call the campaign, we're not talking to you anymore." So that's how it ended.

BALDWIN: OK, for the political piece of all this, first of all, 20,000 foot view, it's Donald Trump on Dr. Oz and this is the big reveal?


BALDWIN: Not surprised?

PRESTON: Not surprising given the nature of the campaign, wholly inadequate given that we're talking about the next commander-in-chief, but wholly inadequate, quite frankly, for Hillary Clinton as well that they have been now forced to reveal more information. We'll see what that is.

Look, I think this is an issue that we will talk about for a couple days, clearly what we've seen from this one page or we've been told, there doesn't seem to be any glaring red flares.

But I do think this is an issue that will probably go away or will not have a major impact on the campaign, specifically on the Donald Trump side.

BALDWIN: You do think it will go away?

PRESTON: I think there are bigger issues people will address, the taxes that Donald Trump hasn't released, his whole company and the business relationships as we've seen from "Newsweek" and the entanglement that he has overseas.

So it does fit into a bigger narrative, though, of both candidates, quite frankly, not being as honest and trustworthy or is open about important issues.

BALDWIN: Also just quickly before I want to come to you, you know, when you think of daytime TV, huge female viewership so that can't be a mistake that he's thinking voters, women, November 8th.

[14:10:01]PRESTON: Right. Look, only go back to the Obama administration for a White House that really perfected reaching out to alternative media so to speak, the "Entertainment Tonight's" and what have you to get their message across.

So this isn't something new that he would decide to go on to a quote/unquote "talk show" to do this. We've seen this through entertainment television. Quite frankly the Obamas have done a really fantastic job spreading their message beyond us.

BALDWIN: Did you want to jump in?

GRIFFIN: Absolutely agree, it goes away unless he stumbles or somebody digs up some episode in the past where there's a medical issue, but we haven't found any yet.

BALDWIN: On both of these candidates, by the way, because as you mentioned, we are supposed to get more on Hillary Clinton's medical history, how detailed, how far back, we don't know. As an MD, what's your biggest question?

NAMPIAPARAMPIL: I think it's fair for viewers to ask, for voters to ask what is going on with their health. If you go for a regular job you have to take a pre-employment physical. I'm not saying that people -- all their medical records should be released, but it's fair to see if they can do an adequate job at the presidency.

BALDWIN: All right, Dr. Devi, Mark, and Drew, thank you all so much.

Now coming up here, Colin Powell thinks Donald Trump is a, quote, "national disgrace" that is according to leaked e-mails. But the bigger question is who hacked him and why? Plus the attorney general here in New York now investigating the Trump Foundation. We'll look into the fallout there. That's ahead.

And more of my discussion, candid, fiery, fund conversation inside this Atlanta barbershop this week. We talk race, politics, Trump, Clinton. Do not miss this. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin.



BALDWIN: We're live. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin. To the race for the White House here, Republican presidential nominee, Donald Trump has a new problem. New York's attorney general is now investigating Trump's charitable foundation. Attorney General Eric Schneiderman tells CNN why he launched the probe.


ERIC SCHNEIDERMAN, NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL: My interest in the -- this issue really is in my capacity a regulator of nonprofits in New York State. We have been looking into the Trump Foundation to make sure it's compliant with the laws that govern charities in New York.


BALDWIN: The Trump campaign fired back calling Schneiderman, quote, "A partisan hack, who has turned a blind eye to the Clinton Foundation for years and has endorsed Hillary Clinton," end quote.

Let me bring in Paul Callan, attorney and former New York City prosecutor and Betsy McCoy, Trump supporter and a member of Trump's Economic Advisory Council and former lieutenant governor.

BETSY MCCAUGHEY, TRUMP SUPPORTER: I'm not a member of the Economic Advisory Council because I'm a columnist so I'm just a supporter.

BALDWIN: Forgive me. Bad information, I apologize, but you were the former lieutenant governor of New York.

MCCAUGHEY: Absolutely. That is true.

BALDWIN: Welcome back. Nice to see you.

MCCAUGHEY: Thank you.

BALDWIN: Paul Callan, what is he looking for here? What's the basis of this inquiry?

PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: It's not unusual, by the way, for the attorney general of any state to have power to investigate charitable foundations in a state. So Schneiderman has jurisdiction in this area. What's unusual is that it's happening of a presidential campaign in a presidential year. A lot of AGs, I think, might back off and say --

BALDWIN: So there's the question of political motivation.

CALLAN: Whether it's politically motivated. Now I don't know what Schneiderman's specific facts are, but if he has evidence that he thinks supports fraud by the Trump Foundation, he certainly has a legal right to commence an investigation.

BALDWIN: Much of this came from the reporting in the "Washington Post." We've had their reporters on. To me, as we've heard from Trump and others that he has donated tens of millions in charitable donations, why not come out and say "Here you go," address this publicly and embarrass Schneiderman?

MCCAUGHEY: Well, first of all, it shocks the conscience what schneiderman has done. For the top law enforcement official in New York State to join the Clinton campaign's leadership council and then launch an investigation against Hillary's opponent is really unethical. He should recuse himself --

BALDWIN: I understand the frustration there but --

MCCAUGHEY: Wait a minute. Expect calls for his resignation, expect to hear calls for his resignation because this is so extraordinarily unethical.

BALDWIN: OK. So on the question of why not come out and be public and show, you know, Schneiderman and the public here are the millions of dollars that -- in charitable donations, case closed.

MCCAUGHEY: I don't expect that there will be irregularities found. After all, the "Washington Post," which is in a frenzy to find some way to discredit Trump and the foundation.

BALDWIN: So why not release the records?

MCCAUGHEY: Let me just go on. It went all the way back 24 years, found what they called five discrepancies, three of which became false claims within 24 hours so they haven't found anything, but I would be very reluctant to be the subject of an investigation by Eric Schneiderman. He has shown himself to be partisan. In fact, just a couple years ago he said, quote, "There is no room for conservatives in New York State."

BALDWIN: I understand you are turning this back around on him, but I go back to the question, why not release the records?

MCCAUGHEY: Release them to an impartial person, and by the way --

BALDWIN: Will they do that?

MCCAUGHEY: I don't speak for the campaign, but the Trump Foundation records, all the filings have been made, unlike the Clinton Foundation. Let me just show you --

BALDWIN: Would you advise them to release them?

MCCAUGHEY: I don't know what you're talking about releasing. They made their filings.

BALDWIN: No, releasing in saying here are the millions or tens of millions of charitable donations that we have given.

MCCAUGHEY: By the way, I run a charity so I know what you have to file in New York State. You have to file all of that in New York State so believe me Eric Schneiderman has copious data already on the Trump Foundation --

BALDWIN: Let me pause on that and ask you. Would that be the case based upon her knowledge of philanthropic donations that he would have that information at his fingertips?

CALLAN: Yes, there's a tremendous amount of information that the attorney general has access to because it's his job to monitor these charitable foundations, but I wonder, Betsy, would you support Schneiderman investigating the Clinton Foundation?

MCCAUGHEY: Oh, well, yes.

CALLAN: That would be OK, but not the Trump Foundation?

MCCAUGHEY: Let me point out --

[14:20:03]CALLAN: You see my feeling on it, if I could just finish for a moment, is that unless there's really compelling evidence of criminality or fraud, it would seem to me that neither Hillary Clinton nor Donald Trump should have their foundations investigated in the midst of a presidential campaign.

MCCAUGHEY: You are quite right about that.

CALLAN: I think we could wait until December and do just as good as a job as opposed to facing claims that this is a politically motivated action. I just think that's what a sense --

BALDWIN: Forgive me, Lieutenant Governor, but you can understand if you all or if the Trump, you know, campaign has called on the Clinton Foundation to shut it down, right, that's the chorus then you can understand why the reverse is being called upon.

MCCAUGHEY: No, let me point out something that hasn't been added to this discussion yet.


MCCAUGHEY: Eric Schneiderman is already aware that the Clinton Foundation violated New York Charity law by failing to disclose donations from foreign governments specifically and individually report them. He gave them a pass, $225 million in donations from foreign governments.


CALLAN: Yes, he's -- well, yes in the sense that there's been public information about this. But all 50 attorneys general in all 50 states are aware of this and not everybody's starting an investigation of the Clinton Foundation or the Trump Foundation because we have a presidential election under way.

Somebody in New York has decided, hey, I've got to do this and I think it's raising legitimate questions as to whether it's politically motivated. But, incidentally, I also think it would be a mistake to go after Hillary Clinton at this particular point in political time.

CUOMO: Getting muddies, all the politics, quickly, final thoughts.

MCCAUGHEY: Yes, but as you can see, Mrs. Clinton's foundation failed to disclose 1,100 donations from foreign entities despite an agreement she signed as condition of becoming secretary of state to disclose those donations.

And in violation of federal tax code, she had to file amended returns and once she file those amended returns and said "because foundations, like people, make mistakes."

Well, the mistakes have piled up for the Clinton Foundation and isn't it ironic that Eric Schneiderman instead has gone on a fishing expedition against the Trump Foundation.

BALDWIN: OK, that's it. Thank you, Betsy McCaughey, thank you. Paul Callan, thank you.

Coming up, Colin Powell, former Secretary of State Colin Powell thinks Donald Trump is a quote/unquote "national disgrace." That is according to leaked e-mails, but the bigger question, who hacked him and why? We'll talk about that ahead.

Also, more of my conversation with Michael Render, a.k.a. Killer Mike, rapper, activist. The noted Bernie Sanders supporter joined me as went into a barbershop in Atlanta to talk about specifically the black vote. Who these six folks trust and don't trust.



BALDWIN: In yet another example of hackers infiltrating the 2016 presidential race, the private and personal e-mails of former Secretary of State Colin Powell have now been made public, including some pretty critical comments about Donald Trump.

Secretary Powell, who oversaw the State Department during a portion of the George W. Bush administration has not endorsed Trump, has not endorsed Clinton, either, for that matter, has avoided public comments about his own party's nominee.

Behind the scenes it's a different story. In an e-mail obtained by D.C. Leaks, an organization affiliated with other recent hacks of high-profile figures, Secretary Powell is quoted as writing "Trump is a national disgrace and an international pariah."

One of his aides confirms the authenticity of that e-mail to CNN saying, quote, "The e-mails are accurate. No further comment at this time."

So I have Mike Baker here, a former CIA covert operations officer, Tim Naftali, CNN presidential historian and former director of the Nixon Presidential Library, and in Moscow standing by, CNN senior international correspondent, Matthew Chance. So first to these two men sitting next to me.

MIKE BAKER, FORMER CIA COVERT OPERATIONS OFFICER: And, yes, we did coordinate our fashions and we're doing a dueling pianos show later.

BALDWIN: Glad we can have a laugh in the midst of all of this, my purple men. Tim, first to you, just on the politics of this. Seeing the words "national disgrace and international pariah" from a man who served under a Republican president, what do you make of his candor?

TIMOTHY NAFTALI, CNN PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN: Well, I say two things. First of all, Colin Powell is the victim of a crime. When we talk about transparency, we're talking about when people are in office. He's retired.

So the first thing we have to make clear is that we don't want to get used to stealing people's private e-mails. It's a bad thing. Given that they're out. He is saying in those e-mails what the GOP foreign policy experts expressed in that letter that over 120 of them signed, including the man to my right, in May, where they said Donald Trump should not lead this country.

These are loyal Republicans who looked at Trump's statements, who looked at his background, and said this is someone who lacks the judgment to lead our country.

BALDWIN: So why do you think he hasn't endorsed Hillary Clinton then?

NAFTALI: George Schultz, another former secretary of state, Brent Scrowcroft, they have also made clear they will not support Donald Trump. Neither of them is endorsing someone else.