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Ivanka Trump Joins Dad to Unveil Child Care Plan; Clinton to Return to Campaign Trail Thursday; Pres. Obama Campaigns for Clinton in Philly; Trump Campaign Manager On IRS Audit; Trump Creditor's Speak Out; Dueling Attack Ads; Dr. Oz To Interview Donald Trump About His Health; Ivanka Trump Joins Dad To Unveil Child Care Plan. Aired 8-9p ET

Aired September 13, 2016 - 20:00   ET

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[20:00:15] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening. Thanks for joining us.

Donald Trump is speaking at a rally in Pennsylvania tonight. We're keeping an eye on that. CNN's Sara Murray is there. We'll check in with her in just a moment.

The topic tonight is his family leave plan. And in speaking of family, Trump's daughter Ivanka was back on the campaign trail tonight introducing her father. I want to play a bit of what she said just a short time ago. Take a look.

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IVANKA TRUMP, DAUGHTER OF DONALD TRUMP: I have three young children myself, and I'm grateful daily for the means to pursue two of my dreams, being a mother and investing in a career that fulfills me. I recognize that far too few women can say the same for themselves, and that I am more fortunate than most.

This must change. As a society, we need to create policies that champion all parents enabling the American family to thrive. My dad agrees, and he's in a very unique position to do something about this problem and the numerous other problems facing tens of millions of parents and caregivers across our country.

Today, child care is the single-greatest expense for many American families even exceeding the cost of housing in much of the country. It's depleting the hard earned savings of men and women across our nation and it's at the root of wage inequality by disproportionately affecting women.

The federal policies that are in place to benefit families were written more than 65 years ago to serve a primarily male workforce that no longer exists. Dual income families were not the norm in 1949 when the current tax code provisions regarding families were established. Today, however, women represent 47 percent of the U.S. labor force, and in almost two-thirds of married couples, both spouses work outside of the home. Seventy percent of mothers with children at home also work in a professional capacity and 64 percent of these moms have kids age 6 and under.

The number of households led by single mothers has doubled in the last 30 years and approximately two-thirds of these women work in low wage jobs that offer neither flexibility nor benefits. My father has created a plan that is designed to bring relief and to provide working parents with options so that they can make the decisions that are in the best interests of their families. Safe, affordable, high quality child care should not be the luxury of a fortunate few.

Historically, this has not been an area that has received nearly as much attention in the policy world as it deserves. While there are systems in place for older children, hardly any intellectual energy has been devoted to addressing the needs of families with children from birth to 4 years old. In particular, little focus has been put on determining how best to alleviate the enormous financial burdens child care places on low income and middle income families.

At the same time, the United States is the only industrialized nation in the world that does not provide new mothers with paid maternity leave. My father's policy will give paid leave to mothers whose employers are among the almost 90 percent of U.S. businesses that currently do not offer this benefit. This is a reform that is of critical value and long overdue.

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COOPER: Ivanka Trump introducing her father on the campaign trail tonight.

Sara Murray is at the Trump rally in Aston, Pennsylvania, where she joins me.

Campaign unveiling new policies, specifically pushed for paid family leave. What are you learning?

SARA MURRAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right. We saw Ivanka give a little bit of preview it there. But essentially they are rolling out six weeks of paid maternity leave for women who's employers don't already offer that and they are going to fund it through the unemployment benefits program. So, even the campaign pointed out it would be less than most receive through their normal wages with their job and it is worth noting this is maternity only. It is not paternity.

But it is a big break from what we've seen Republicans advocate for in the past. This is something that could meet a lot of resistance on Capitol Hill. Even Republican economists have acknowledged that to me today. But this is also just one component of Donald Trump's policy. He's also going to roll out on additional child care subsidy for parents. And the whole goal is to make child care more affordable for working parents and even for stay at home mom and dads, Anderson.

This is a deduction that they're pushing for stay-at-home parents as well.

COOPER: And Trump had Ivanka Trump back on the trail tonight. Do we expect to see more of her as the campaign continues?

MURRAY: Well, we have seen her a couple of times over the last few weeks and we have heard she will be part of the fundraising circuit for Donald Trump.

[20:05:03] But it's still unclear how prominent she's going to be on the trail. Obviously, she has her own personal life. She has her own business.

But it's very clear the Trump campaign has realized she's a very effective tool, a very effective surrogate for him, especially when it comes to events like this that are clearly tailored to improve this numbers among women and also among suburban voters -- Anderson.

COOPER: Yes. Sara Murray, Sara, thanks very much.

Hillary Clinton going to get back on the campaign trail we're told Thursday according to a spokesman. Clinton has been at home recovering from pneumonia. Her spokesman says she spent the day reading briefings, making calls, watching as someone campaigned on her behalf in Philadelphia, not just any surrogate.

Michelle Kosinski reports on that.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It is good to be back on the campaign trail.

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): And with that, President Obama is campaigner-in-chief. His approval numbers now at 58 percent, far better than Clinton or Donald Trump. He knows his power among Democrats, has been watching the polls, has been eager to get out there.

OBAMA: In election season you will often here crazy stuff. But I got to say this year we've been hearing a little more crazy than usual. Think about what's happened to the Republican Party.

KOSINSKI: And he didn't shy away from his own battle with the now Democratic nominee.

OBAMA: And I got whooped here in Pennsylvania. She whooped me. She doesn't quit.

KOSINSKI: After an unusual endorsement, a tweet by the Clinton campaign that links a video of the president he's only appeared once in Charlotte alongside Clinton on the same day the FBI director announced he would not recommend criminal charges over her email use on a private server. Either one mentioned it.

(on camera): After that, there were two fundraisers. Now, he's visiting Philadelphia and New York. But his scheduled has been difficult. There were several foreign trips. The U.N. General Assembly is coming up. So, really, October is when we can expect to see much more of him in a last minute push. DOUGLAS BRINKLEY, CNN PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN: He's going to have to

be the super delegate for her, hitting every town in Ohio, in Florida, New Mexico, in Nevada. He's going have to spread wide and really try to energize the Clinton campaign.

The fear for Hillary Clinton is low voter turnout and Barack Obama has an opportunity particularly with African-Americans to help bring the numbers up in major urban centers.

KOSINSKI (voice-over): History has been tricky for presidents on the trail. George W. Bush's low approval numbers kept him out. He did host an endorsement event, but candidate John McCain was awkwardly late.

Al Gore opted to avoid Bill Clinton after the Monica Lewandowski scandal. Bill Clinton was still popular.

Ronald Reagan on the other hand was seen as the huge boost to his vice president, George H.W. Bush -- as opposed to looking back a little further, former President Eisenhower who didn't like Richard Nixon, didn't go to at bat for him and in 1960, he lost to JFK.

Now, with Hillary Clinton locked in battle with Donald Trump, and Bill Clinton not being as active as he once was, President Obama may be the most busy presidential campaigner of all time.

OBAMA: We cannot afford suddenly to treat this like a reality show. We can't afford to act as if there is some equivalence here.

KOSINSKI: Once we see what October will bring.

Michelle Kosinski, CNN, Philadelphia.

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COOPER: A lot to talk about tonight. Joining me on the panel, Democratic strategist, Clinton supporter Richard Socarides, CNN political commentator and Clinton supporter, Bakari Sellers, CNN chief political analyst, Gloria Borger, CNN political commentator and Trump supporter Kayleigh McEnany, and senior Trump campaign adviser, Jack Kingston.

Gloria, how personal do you think this is for President Obama, seeing Hillary Clinton as somebody, as the only person really to continue his legacy?

GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: I think it is very important to him because of his legacy and I also do think it's really personal, Anderson.

I mean, don't forget, Barack Obama and Donald Trump have a history here, talk about birther, going back to that, and I think it's -- this is someone he wants to defeat. Not only because Hillary Clinton is so important to his legacy, but also because he actually believes it is better for the country as he was saying today. And what I noticed in his speech today, he said I really, really want

Hillary Clinton to win -- something to that effect. And I think we have to take him at his word. I mean, he's going to be out there. He's going to be out there the entire month of October.

COOPER: And, I mean, it is not every day that you have an outgoing president with an approval number like President Obama does which only seems to be getting bigger as we see these candidates, 58 percent.

BAKARI SELLERS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, today, I'm glowing because for a long period of time, you heard Republican candidates say Hillary Clinton wants a third term of Barack Obama and we're going to run against that third term of Barack Obama.

Well, today, you saw numbers come out, you saw numbers come out where the median income in this country has grown 5.2 percent. The income for black families, for white families, for Hispanic, for Asian American families all have grown.

[20:10:03] We've had the strongest economy or economic growth since 1999. The unemployment rate is down. His approval rating is at 58 percent.

And then one thing you cannot replace, Gloria, is that swagger that Barack Obama bring to the trail and he's ready to fight for Hillary Clinton and he's the number one surrogate either side has. I mean, there is no better campaigner than either side has than Barack Obama.

COOPER: Richard, one of the things President Obama was basically out there to convince his supporters to get as excited about Hillary Clinton as they were excited as about and are excited about him. That can be a tough sell.

RICHARD SOCARIDES, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: I don't -- I mean, listen, I think nobody is better positioned to make that case than he is. And for anybody who's won the presidency twice as he has, I mean, that takes enormous talent and we see what talent he has as a campaigner. We've seen what talent he has as a governing leader.

And I think as we come to the end of this second term we see how much he has to be proud of. And we see how the policies that he's instituted are really working and that is probably the best selling point for Hillary Clinton.

BORGER: The question is how transferable is his popularity?

COOPER: Right.

BORGER: And we don't really know the answer to that. What we can do is start getting people enthusiastic about Hillary Clinton which has been a real problem for her among the Democrats.

COOPER: Kayleigh?

KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: We should also point out how his message is out of touch with how people feel. Bakari cites those numbers which, by the way, are worse still than 2007. We've not caught up to 2007 or pre-2007.

Beyond that, he cited the58 percent approval of President Obama. Well, there's another 58 percent number that's really important, and that is 58 percent of people in the latest Gallup poll feel that the economy is getting worse. People still feel like this is going in the wrong direction, two-thirds of the country think we're on the wrong track. They are feeling hurt.

And for the president to stand up there and say, "$2 gas, thanks Obama" -- that is very out of touch with the way a lot of Americans feel and Hillary --

SELLERS: And I want to chime in quickly because on of the things you cannot deny and, no, you have to go back to 1999 the last actual time there was a Democratic president to see this type of income growth of the middle class, to see this type of income growth of the lower class. And yes, we do have $2 gas and that is nothing that my mother would say to shake a stick at because there are people who literally have to gather change in their center console to go pay for gas. And yes, Barack Obama, it's $2. But this economy has gotten more robust --

COOPER: Let's just play something he said on the campaign trail and we're going to take a look.

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OBAMA: Donald Trump says stuff every used to be as disqualifying for being president. And yet because he says it over and over and over again, the press just gives up and they just, well, yeah. You know, okay.

They just stop -- I was opposed to the war in Iraq. Well, actually, he wasn't. But they just accept it.

So, the bottom line is that we cannot afford suddenly to treat this like a reality show. We can't afford to act as if there is some equivalence here. To be president you have to do your homework. And you have to know what you're talking about.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: Jack, as a Trump supporter, does it worry you to have President Obama out there?

JACK KINGSTON, DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: Not really, because if you look at the Democratic national convention, all of these enthusiastic bright speakers came out there trying to prop her up, and what happened? She had a short-term bust. She went straight down.

The excitement factor with Trump is something like 58 percent compared to 35 percent Hillary. She can have her rallies in the local Starbucks. We need football stadiums and that's the reality.

SOCARIDES: She is still ahead though. You rook look at the numbers she's still -- KINGSTON: Well, actually, no --

(CROSSTALK)

COOPER: One at a time.

KINGSTON: I'd like to quote the CNN poll. We're up two points on that and other polls show the same thing --

(CROSSTALK)

COOPER: But I think Jack brings a valid point, which is for all the talk all the surrogates, you know, the powerhouse surrogates that Hillary Clinton has out there, and the numbers have been tightening no matter --

SELLERS: There is a difference between the numbers tightening and Donald Trump winning. I mean, you can go on and look at the most recent poll, "Washington Post" over this weekend that apparently Hillary Clinton had a very bad weekend. She was up five points with likely voters and ten points with registered.

You can look at swing states --

(CROSSTALK)

SELLERS: The Republican Party is defending your own home state. The fact that Hillary Clinton is running close in Georgia and Arizona is a problem --

KINGSTON: I know Georgia politics very well. I do not think needs to come down there at all. Mike Pence has come there. I'm advising them not to come again.

We have the two senators. We have the governor. We have every constitutional officer. We have the state legislature.

There are only something like 15 contested seats in November.

[20:15:03] So, Hillary come on down to George. Spend all your money down there. Stay out of --

(LAUGHTER)

COOPER: We'll take quick break. We're going to continue the conversation next.

Also ahead, as the Trump campaign tried to get more traction from the Clinton's "basket of deplorables" comment, the Clinton campaign is trying to turn the tables. They're trying to.

We'll take a look at the dueling ads, coming up.

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COOPER: Donald Trump has just wrapped up a short speech in Pennsylvania. He spoke about his family leave plan after being introduced by his daughter Ivanka.

Sara Murray is standing by.

How did it go, Sara?

MURRAY: Well, it was sort of interesting venue. I think a lot of folks wanted a rally rather than an economic policy speech. But Donald Trump laid out a lot of what his campaign teased earlier today. It is very clear they want to try to improve their numbers with women and suburban voters and hope dog that through some of these more family and child friendly policies.

So, that includes larger subsidy to offset cost of child care. But it also includes this call for six weeks of paid maternity for women who don't already receive that through their employer. You know, it was interesting so see Donald Trump expects to get bipartisan support for that, Anderson, because, of course, we haven't seen that on Capitol Hill over the past few years.

But he also, of course, had Ivanka up here with him to sort of make that pitch, and she does something a little bit different than he does, which is to sort of share the personal experience that she's had with different people, the stories she's read that have inspired her to get involved in this.

[20:20:09] And it's very clear that that the campaign believes she can maybe sell women and sell suburban voters on her dad maybe better than he can himself.

COOPER: And, Sara, choosing Pennsylvania is no accident to do this thing.

MURRAY: Oh, absolutely. Pennsylvania's a state Democrats have won over and over again. It's a state that Donald Trump is certainly hoping to win in November. It's actually a very pivotal state for their strategy. They believe that they can compete in these Rust Belt states potentially much better than they can in some states Republicans have targeted in the past that are out west.

So, the fact that we are in a suburb of Philadelphia is clearly an indication that the Trump campaign believes this is the kind of place they need to be. They need to win women. They need to win suburban voters and they need to come to places like this if they want to turn their numbers around here.

As of right now, the way this polling we have shows that Hillary Clinton is still leading him in that state and obviously, his campaign is hoping to turn that around.

COOPER: Sara Murray -- Sara, thanks very much.

Back now with the panel.

Kayleigh, it is interesting to hear Donald Trump proposing something we have not heard other Republicans really championing at all. MCENANY: Yes, a very broad proposal, I want to mention that helps even those who don't pay taxes at all. We know that there's something like 45 odd percent of Americans who don't pay taxes, that's because they received the earned income tax credit, all of these various rebates.

Well, his plan actually reaches down to this rebate and expands it to include another $1,200 for child care. So, this is a novel plan coming from a Republican that helps middle income earners, helps low income earners six weeks paid maternity leave. This is a revolutionary policy coming from a Republican.

COOPER: Gloria, how much, though, is about reaching out to women voters? And does this reflect what Trump has done in his own organization?

BORGER: Well, it's all -- it's about reaching out to women voters. I think he'd like to say that Hillary Clinton doesn't have a plan. Actually, she does have a plan for 12 weeks of paid maternity leave.

And the Trump organization says that it gives eight weeks of paid parental leave to both men and women. And that they are proud of their family environment. When they were pressed by CNN today about when did this policy start, they declined to respond about when that policy actually came into effect. So, we do not know. But that is their current policy, which is eight weeks.

SOCARIDES: Anderson, and I think this is an example of how preposterous the whole campaign has become. I mean, this is a very serious issue that Hillary Clinton has been, you know -- at the center of her entire life. This is a serious issue.

This is not a serious substantive proposal. This is not a broad proposal. If anything, it is a very tiny -- it would cover a very tiny fraction of people and use people's money they themselves paid into the unemployment insurance department to cover it.

But it is just window dressing. We have to remember and people have a responsibility to call this out. This is like the next thing Trump will do is say is that he's for a path to citizenship or that he's for universal health care --

COOPER: Let Jack respond.

SOCARIDES: This is definitely window dressing, to take the edge off with women voters.

(CROSSTALK)

KINGSTON: -- economic club. He's going to talk about it in the New York Economic Club. He's going continue to build on this and fill in some of the blanks.

I as a father of two daughters, I think this is great. Because as Ivanka said women in the workplace now are about half the jobs. It is very important to address what is out there. And I don't think you can just pooh-pooh it away.

(CROSSTALK)

COOPER: Is Donald Trump -- I mean -- clearly, Donald Trump has made a lot of statements about women as a businessman on "The Howard Stern Show", elsewhere, that a lot of women have been very upset. A lot of people have been very upset about.

(CROSSTALK)

COOPER: Does this sort of nullify that?

KINGSTON: I think if the Trump organizations had a pattern of discriminating against women we would all know that by now. But what we hear over and over again is no. In fact, they were promoted.

COOPER: I'm talking about repulsive public comments?

KINGSTON: No, let me say this, the idea that -- he's putting substantive ideas -- well, his opponents calling Americans deplorable, he's talking substance.

BORGER: But he's paying for it by eliminating unemployment insurance fraud. How much money are you going to get --

KINGSTON: But you know how much that is, Gloria? $5.6 billion.

BORGER: That is not enough --

(CROSSTALK)

COOPER: One at a time. Nobody listens when you are all talking over each other.

BORGER: That is not enough to pay for this kind of maternity benefit.

KINGSTON: How much is Hillary Clinton's going to cost? All we know is --

BORGER: The truth is we don't know what either one of these is going to cost. You are right about that. We don't know.

She says she would pay for it by raising taxes on the wealthy. OK, fine. But how much fraud will you be able to find to pay for this --

KINGSTON: Well --

(CROSSTALK)

SELLERS: At the most, you can take a state like Florida. The way he's paying for it through this unemployment insurance fund, which is when people actually get fired and they are hard-working Americans and actually need this. He's robbing Peter to pay Paul. Let me --

(CROSSTALK) [20:25:05] SELLERS: In a state like Florida you don't get a percentage of your wages. A woman working will not get a percentage of her wages. She'll actually get the unemployment insurance fund and the most in Florida, the most she'd be able to get is $275 a week.

COOPER: We got to take a break.

MCENANY: Let me refute that, Bakari. The Government Accountability Office said there was $125 billion in improper payments. Moreover, he expects federal revenues to increase, under Reagan by $500 billion --

(CROSSTALK)

COOPER: But, wait, but for generations, politicians have said we're going to pay for this by eliminating waste and fraud. Going back, I remember Ronald Reagan --

MCENANY: Those are politicians. This is a --

(CROSSTALK)

COOPER: That's ridiculous. He's the same as everybody. You can't eliminate enough the pay for all these things.

KINGSTON: But, Bakari, one of the things he actually did say is that this part of a comprehensive t reform package. So, as he speaks to the New York Economic Club, as he continues to talk about it, I think it's a fair question.

COOPER: Is it odd, though, that there is not a comprehensive tax reform package so close to Election Day? I mean, a lot of candidates would have had this a year ago. He's now talking -

(CROSSTALK)

COOPER: We got to actually go to break. We really got to go break. I want to thank everybody.

Dueling attack ads right now running. Donald Trump punching on Hillary Clinton's "basket of deplorables" comment. She's firing back, zeroing in on a comment he made on the campaign trail. We'll talk about that, ahead.

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[20:30:21] COOPER: Donald Trump is under some growing pressure to release his tax returns. Of course Hillary Clinton has released 9 years of tax records, but Trump has refused to make his tax records public until the IRS completes what he, describes as a routine audit. We should also point out according to his attorneys, his tax returns from 2002 and 2008 have already been audited that audit is over.

Kellyanne Conway was asked about the audit on "New Day".

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ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN NEW DAY HOST: Well, Donald Trump released anything from the IRS, proving that his under audit.

KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: I don't know. Why? In other words why are you particular -- I'm sorry?

CAMEROTA: Are you calling him a liar?

CONWAY: We're taking his word for it.

CAMEROTA: Are you calling him a liar?

CONWAY: And we're taking Hillary Clinton's word for that, she was overheated and have pneumonia or that, she's going to be aspirational off this thing, or she's going to start talking to the press again. I mean seriously we're running against a Clinton and we're going to challenge someone's veracity?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: It's Kellyanne Conway on "New Day" this morning, challenging Alisyn Camerota.

One thing Donald Trump is certainly not shy about. We should talk about. Which we'll about talk about ahead with the panel. Also his not provided more details about his charitable giving through his foundation. He has -- he does regret talking about the four corporate bankruptcy and he's filed for. He's bragged about them actually last September on the debate stage.

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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hundreds of companies. Hundreds of deals. I used the law four times. Made a tremendous thing. I'm in business. I did a very good job.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: Very good job, maybe for him but not for some of the people who worked on the projects that later when belly up. They're not the only ones who came up short when doing business with Trump.

Jessica Schneider, tonight reports.

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BETH ROSSER, TRIAD BUILDING SPECIALTIES: He put so many good contractor out of business.

NAT HYMAN, LANDAU JEWELERS: I don't care if he's Donald Trump or Donald duck. Right is right, wrong is wrong and I have to stand up for myself.

PAUL FRIEL, EDWARD J. FRIEL COMPANY: Donald Trump had basically decided what subcontractors would work in Atlantic City and which ones were not.

JESSICA SCHNEIDER, CNN CORRESPONDNET: They are the voices skeptical of Donald Trump and his promises of prosperity.

FRIEL: If you went against him he simply put a list out and said these are bad guys and everybody else is a good guy.

SCHNEIDER: And you guys were on that list.

FRIEL: We were on the list.

SCHNEIDER: And did you ever get work on Atlantic City again?

FRIEL: Never.

SCHNEIDER: but Donald Trump has framed much of his campaign on his stellar record as the businessman.

TRUMP: I'm running to give back to this country which has been so very good to me. Jobs, jobs, jobs.

SCHNEIDER: The three small business owners we just heard from, say their contacts with Trump initially looked promising, but in the end the deal is turned disastrous.

STEVE JENKINS, TRIAD BUILDING SPECIALIST: It was one of those things, it like it's Donald Trump. I mean what could go wrong is this.

SCHNEIDER: Steven Jenkins and his sister Beth Rosser are second generation owners of triad building specialty, a business built by that you are father forest. When Trump's Taj Mahal began construction, Triad won the bid to install every toilet partition inside the casino's bathrooms. It was the largest contract their family business had ever landed.

JENKINS: We bill a hundred -- $150,000 a month that's a really good month for us. And this was almost $300,000 in one contract. Everyone was, you know, it was a big job, it was great.

SCHNEIDER: But as Triad's workers wrap up the project, talk started swirling that contractors weren't getting paid. When the Taj Mahal filed for bankruptcy in 1991, Triad was left with this $231,000 claim in court. They say they ended up with a pay out of just $70,000.

JENKINS: It's hard for me to talk about it but he put all four of us to work.

SCHNEIDER: Jenkins gets emotional when he remembers how their father struggle to keep the business standing.

JENKINS: He was distraught. It was, you know, he's watching something that he built his whole life start to slip through his fingers.

SCHNEIDER: A generous loan may say saved the Pennsylvania Company.

JENKINS: He didn't go to a bank for the loan. He borrowed it off a friend. HYMAN: I respect a lot about him. I think he has the capacity to take the very complicated and simplify it. Which I think is one of the hallmarks of a good CEO. So I think he has that ability.

On the other hand I also think that he is vindictive, nasty and think that his words or actions have no repercussion.

SCHNEIDER: Nat Hymen spent years in litigation with Trump. He respects Trump's shroud business tactics, but harbors (ph) resentment and what it caused to start up custom jewelry business. Letters show Trump tried to cut short Hyman's kiosk lease inside Trump Tower in Manhattan blaming the poor quality of the merchandise.

Hyman sued amid variously dispute, and he said the real estate mogul's team buried him in legal paper work and fees for years.

[20:35:03] HYMAN: He was hoping that simply by sending me a letter and the force of being Donald Trump that a 20 something-year-old would roll over and say go ahead, you know, I'm not going to fight you, your Donald Trump. He was wrong.

So I think I spent over a million dollars in litigation with him. The bottom line was I would have much happier Jess, if he would have left me alone and simply left me to do my business. To him it was sport and to me it was my life.

TRUMP: We will make it very, very good for our companies, for our small businesses and for people who that want to survive and do well in our country.

SCHNEIDER: Paul Friel scoff at Trump's words. The Philadelphia cabinetry company founded by his grandfather was forced to file for bankruptcy he content, because of Trumps' retaliatory tactics.

FRIEL: We had already worked for three GC's and every one of them lived up to his word until Donald Trump came to Atlantic City. He was the first one who told a bunch of small contractors I don't think I'm going pay you anymore money, and if you don't like it, you can sue me.

SCHNEIDER: Friel says his father did try to recoup the $84,000 Trump owe the company for building basis to this Trump Plaza slot machines and the hotel's registration desk and bars.

The elder Friel eventually gave up, but Trump seemed to hold a grudge. Friel says he believed his father's company was blocked from working any future Atlantic City casino projects.

FRIEL: I think it surprised him the most that Donald Trump has blackballed him. Even though we had excellent work in Atlantic City already. We already worked in four of the first four casinos. That he had the ability to tell people you don't want this guy working for you.

SCHNEIDER: Now Friel says, he's speaking out to honor his dead father.

FRIEL: He would say Paul do this for us. Because I was the one involved in the business.

SCHNEIDER: Donald Trump would not respond to our request for business about these small business owners, but he promised big if not vague things in Cleveland.

TRUMP: I have made billions of dollars in business making deals. Now I'm going make our country rich again.

FRIEL: He said Paul do this, let the country know what kind of man this is.

SCHNEIDER: And you're doing that.

FRIEL: And I'm doing it.

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COOPER: Jessica Schneider joins me now. So Donald Trump has clearly been trying to present himself as the champion of the middle class on the campaign trail. Do these small business owners have anything to say about that.

SCHNEIDER: Well we know Anderson that is exactly why Paul Friel, the last man we interviewed there is speaking out. He tells me that his family actually didn't want him to go in camera, they didn't want him to tell their story. But he says he wants people know that he believes it was Donald Trump shrewd business tactics that actually forced to his father's company to file for bankruptcy.

So Paul Friel along with the sister and brother who run Triad, they tell me they will be voting for Hillary Clinton, they have that deep distaste for Donald Trump. But Nat Hyman, the jewelry store owner, he actually tells me that he appreciates in some respects what he calls Donald Trump's savvy business tactics although he does say in the end he would find it hard to actually cast his ballot for Donald Trump come November. Anderson?

COOPER: All right Jessica, thanks very much.

We're going to talk the panel ahead. Take a look at dueling campaign ads based on Hillary Clinton 's basket of deplorables comment. How both campaigns are trying to capitalize on the remarks?

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[20:42:25] COOPER: Well the Clinton and Trump campaigns are out with new dueling attack ads. Each using the words of other to strike a blow. Now this all started on Friday when Clinton called half of Trump's supporters a basket of deplorable. A golden line from attack ad. Trump pounced on that. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Speaking to wealth donor, Hillary Clinton called tens of millions of Americans deplorable. CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call a basket of deplorables. The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, you name it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People like you, you and you deplorable. You know what's deplorable? Hillary Clinton viciously demonizing hard working people like you.

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COOPER: We should point out her campaign and she came out the next day said she regretted saying half. Hillary Clinton is firing back with an ad that features something Mr. Trump said just yesterday on the campaign trail using it against him. Take a look.

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TRUMP: You can't leave this nation if you have such a low opinion for its citizens.

How stupid are the people of the country?

We're building a wall.

He's a Mexican.

You got to see this guy. Oh I don't know what I said. I don't remember.

You're living in poverty. Your schools are no good. You have no jobs. What the hell do you have to lose?

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COOPER: As we begin, CNN chief political analyst Gloria Borger, joining us CNN senior political commentator, former Obama senior advisor, David Axelrod, he also host the "Axe Files" podcast, which I have been on happily. And CNN political analyst and "USA Today" columnist, Kirsten Powers.

David, is this wise do you think for the Clinton campaign to kind of go continue this line?

DAVID AXELROD, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well the last thing they want is for Donald Trump to somehow after the last year, seize the high ground as they turn the corner. One of the reasons that he's trailing among college educated particularly women is because of the tenor of his campaign. And they have made a lot of progress with this Hillary Clinton, she's leading among college educated whites. Mitt Romney carried them by 14 percent.

So they can't let this turn because she made this mistake on Friday. And so they thought this -- they want to seize the high ground back and not allowed Donald Trump somehow to become the sort of arbiter or civility. COOPER: It is interesting Gloria, that Donald Trump is saying, you know, he's demanding an apology from Hillary Clinton, which is something he has never apologized for anything.

GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Yeah -- Donald had said he regretted certain things.

COOPER: Right, but never said what it was.

BORGER: But never said what it was. So he didn't apologize to the Khan family for example. He didn't apologize ...

[20:44:58] AXELROD: Although the interesting in that commander-in- chief forum, he was asked about the regret thing and he said well, yeah regret but I was running against 16 other guys ...

BORGER: Right.

AXELROD: ... and I had to get past them. So ...

BORGER: Right.

AXELROD: ... you know. So really he -- I think it sounded like he regretted regretting.

BORGER: Right he does, and I think his advisors told him he had to regret ...

AXELROD: Right.

BORGER: ... or he wouldn't have. But he didn't get specific about it. And, you know, the other day Vice Presidential nominee Pence said he believes in civility right, but he's running with Donald Trump who has changed the rules of the game here.

So to a degree because he his name called his opponents et cetera, et cetera. So, you know, I don't blame Hillary Clinton for trying to sort of ...

AXELROD: Pence also said today that he didn't want to call the ...

COOPER: David Duke.

AXELROD: ... David Duke.

BORGER: David Duke.

COOPER: Deplorable.

BORGER: Deplorable.

AXELROD: Deplorable because that would be uncivil. I'm not sure calling Dave, a white supremacist deplorable is uncivil.

BORGER: Right. COOPER: Kirsten, we're into start of interesting of time pyramid (ph) after Labor Day before the debate. It is possible for controversial things to pop-up the next week or two, but once the debate start things could totally change and this could all feel like a lifetime ago.

KIRSTEN POWERS, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Yeah. Well I'm sure that's true, but I think right now she's trying to get back to where she was after the convention which if we think back on it was a much more aspirational positive message and I think what we're having right now. And the problem with Donald Trump is, you know, is the saying goes if you get down -- you know, don't get down in the mud with pigs because you just get dirty and the pig likes it.

She has to be careful about doing that, she doesn't want to get back and forth with him, even this deplorable comments, it's kind of, you know, the type of comment frank that a Trump would normally make. And so, we saw the way he kind of dragged people down during the primary. We saw what he did with for example Marco Rubio who really was this very aspirational positive person who by the end sort of blasted and was saying all sorts of things that he ultimately said had embarrassed his daughter.

And so I think it would be good for her to get back to that message of Michelle Obama said, you know, when they go low legal high.

BORGER: But this was her creation obviously because of her deplorable comment which gave him an opportunity and she had to then respond. I agree with you, however that in a perfect world she should be giving people a reason to vote for her and not to vote against Donald Trump. But she's not living in a perfect world these last few days and that is her problem.

POWERS: Yes. The problem is this that, I just feel like if you get into a war with Donald Trump of who's going to be, you know, hitting harder, I just don't know that is her strength. You know, I think she has a good aspirational message. She has a lot going for her that's positive that would be better. Yes she has to excite the base I guess was with, you know, with pointing out how awful Donald Trump is but ultimate she's got give people a reason to vote for her.

COOPER: David, when you saw President Obama out on the trail today, I mean know him probably, you know, better than anybody. What did you see? What did you see in him and how powerful -- how effective.

AXELROD: I saw a guy who was having a pretty good time for one thing. I think he has been really eager to get out there. Obviously he wants Hillary Clinton to win. I think he's genuinely offended by Donald Trump. And he expressed that in full today. And I think you're going to see a lot of that in October.

You know, the notion of in an aspirational campaign is laudable. I think the -- but someone is going to have to bring the attack and she's got a lot of surrogates and the president being chief among them, who can really make the case for her and against Donald Trump and I think you are going see it again and again. COOPER: Yeah. I want to thank everybody.

Just ahead another first in a presidential election that's defied expectations. Donald Trump is going to share results of his recent physical on the Dr. Oz Show on Thursday. Dr. Oz says he's not going ask any questions that Trump doesn't want to answer. I'll talk to our medical ethicist are cabling (ph) about it.

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[20:52:36] COOPER: Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump have both said they'd release more medical information in the next couple of days, but only one of them Trump agreed to reveal the information on "The Dr. Oz Show" on Thursday. Trump is going to share the results of a physical exam he had last week on an episode that will be taped tomorrow.

In an interview with Fox News, Dr. Oz says he invited Clinton to come on the show, as well. Here's what else Dr. Oz say.

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DR. MEHMET OZ, THE DR. OZ SHOW HOST: This is his decision. Look, the metaphor for me is, this is a doctor's office, the studio. So I'm not going to ask questions he doesn't want to have answered. If he puts limitations I will stop.

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COOPER: Oh pretty say, it's a first. Dr. Oz of course says his own credibility issue, he was subpoena by Congress, grilled about his promotion of weight loss products on his show.

Joining me now is Art Caplan, director of the Division on Medical Ethics at New York University Lincoln Medical Center.

What do you make of this? I mean this is the, potentially future president of the United States, a serious questions about his health. Maybe ...

ART CAPLAN, DIVISION ON MEDICAL ETHICS DIRECTOR: I always wondered what it would be like if P.T. Barnum visited Crasken. I mean this is a bizarre combination, it's a weird format to get at a serious issue. You know, we've been arguing listening to the debate of discussion what for two weeks now about the health of Hillary Clinton and going back before that, even some arguments about Trump.

This forum is not going to settle much of anything. He's restricting what he's going to ask. Who knows if the records are complete? It's not the right place to do it.

COOPER: Dr. Oz says that his studio is like his doctor's office, and therefore, doesn't want to ask questions that this person -- that, you know, a patient doesn't want revealed. But isn't it the doctor's job to ask questions that the patient doesn't necessarily want to talk about? CAPLAN: Absolutely. So the toughest thing about doing a good examination, a good physical, a good history is to ask the hard questions. What about your sex life? How are you sleeping? Are you OK with this idea about becoming president? You ask the tough questions. That's exactly what you're trained to do. You're supposed to do. If he says, I'm not going to do that in this setting because it's my office, which, by the way, I find strange, shall we say, that's an odd office. We're not going to get the answers we would like to have.

COOPER: The -- what do you think -- I mean what's your advice then for viewers who watch this, I mean, I get politically why he's doing it, it's largely female audience, an audience that may not be that involved in the presidential race thus far, or maybe, but at that point are watching daytime TV.

CAPLAN: Well I think this is a pretty safe office for Donald Trump to visit in terms of the health discussion. He's not going to get pushed too hard on much of anything.

COOPER: So what should viewers keep in mind? Do you think take everything with a grain of salt?

[20:55:06] CAPLAN: I take everything with a grain of sad. Look if you want to have ...

COOPER: It's not very healthy for you, anyway ...

CAPLAN: No.

COOPER: ... causes hypertension. But anyway ...

CAPLAN: But you can follow that with blueberries and stuff. So but you can presume, look for this kind of debate, the list the records to a neutral setting with other doctors examine him comment on him, say what they want or better still let's have an independent group of doctors examine the candidates, if you really care.

COOPER: Right.

CAPLAN: This is entertainment. This is marketing. I still see this is part of the political spin on the health issue.

COOPER: I get why Oz is doing it, he got clearly for ratings. But is this ethical for him to do?

CAPLAN: I don't think so. I mean, it's not the right place to assess somebody's health, or claim that you're going to do it. If you want to say I have that guest and I'm going to ask him some interesting questions. Among them, you know, what about your health? How are you feeling? Great.

To suggest somehow that this is going to be a physical examination room for Donald Trump, I don't think that's the right place to do it.

COOPER: All right, Art Caplan, always good to have you on. Thanks very much.

CAPLAN: Thank you.

COOPER: Much more ahead tonight on the breaking news. Donald Trump just finished unveiling his family leave policy tonight in the battleground state of Pennsylvania, his daughter, Ivanka, introduced him, setting the stage.

A lot to discuss, when we continue in this next hour.

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COOPER: Thanks for joining us in our second hour of "360" tonight, a lot to get to in this hour. From Donald Trump passing other people money off as his own charitable contributions to a cease-fire that seems to be holding in Syria, at least for now.

[21:00:05] We begin though in Pennsylvania, a battleground state where Donald Trump wrapped up a rally a short time ago. The topic, his family leave policy. The opening act his family, Trump's daughter, Ivanka introducing him tonight. Sara Murray was there and she joins now.