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Police Grab Climbing Scaling Trump Tower; Trump: Obama Founded ISIS; Secret Service Spoke To Trump Campaign About Comment; Clinton Emails Raising New Questions; Polls: Clinton Has Swing State Edge; Growing List Of Republican Leaders Won't Back Trump; Florida Woman Fatally Shot During Citizen Police Academy. Aired 9-10p ET

Aired August 10, 2016 - 21:00   ET

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[21:01:02] JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: All right, good evening again. We begin the hour with the one Donald Trump story that no one expected. A guy armed with suction cups and climbing gear making his way up, the side of Trump Tower which also happens to be the Trumps family home. This played out for about three hours and 21 stories for that matter. With the members of the NYPDs Elite Emergency Service Unit, removing windows, look at this removing windows, cutting through grill work. Positioning themselves to take action.

When the right moment came, it all happened very, very quickly. You can see the officers there reaching out, grabbing the climber, dragging him in very quickly. From there he was taken to Manhattan's Bellevue Hospital for psychiatric evaluation. Now Donald Trump was not home at the time. He was on the campaign trail the day after controversial remarks about Second Amendment people stopping Hillary Clinton if she is elected president.

Speaking tonight in Sunrise, Florida, Donald Trump had plenty to say about her as well as sharp words. Going to headline making words, perhaps, for President Obama.

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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: ISIS is honoring President Obama. He is the founder of ISIS. He's the founder of ISIS. OK? He's the founder. He founded ISIS. And I would say, the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton.

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BERMAN: That was Donald Trump just moments ago. CNN's Jim Acosta is at the event, joined as now. Donald Trump, you know, on the war path there, Jim.

JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: That's right, John. No shrinking violet tonight and Donald Trump he is tossing out the red meat to this crowd here in Sunrise, Florida. And for the first time, John. On the campaign trail we heard Donald Trump address that controversy that he's part yesterday with those comments on the Second Amendment. Just a few moments ago he blasted the media in the way they've covered the story saying that coverage was disgusting.

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ACOSTA: Offering no apologies for a super heated rhetoric, Donald Trump tried to make the case that it's Hillary Clinton who just can't get the words right.

TRUMP: She said it was a mistake. That she is going to raise taxes on the middle class. You saw that one? Maybe she misspoke. I mean we have to give them a break.

ACOSTA: One day after the GOP nominees said Second Amendment activists could do something if Hillary Clinton were elected, Trump is pushing back on any notion that he was in sighting violence with this judge robbing comment.

TRUMP: By the way and if she gets to pick -- if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know.

ACOSTA: Now, Trump and his baggers are scrambling to continue to fall out. Trump insists he was nearly touting the power of the Second Amendment supporters.

TRUMP: And they can be no other interpretation. Even reporters have told me. I mean give me a break.

ACOSTA: House Speaker Paul Ryan, thought Trump was kidding. But added this was no laughing matter.

REP. PAUL RYAN, (R) HOUSE SPEAKER: It sounds like just a joke gone bad. I hope he clears it up very quickly. You should never joke about something like that.

TRUMP: Bloods coming out of her wherever.

ACOSTA: But GOP strategist fear Trump's Second Amendment comment will soon find its way into another Clinton Campaign ad using the GOP contenders words against him. Clinton was already looking to take advantage of the remark during a campaign stop today in Iowa.

HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Yesterday we witnessed the latest in the long line of casual comments from Donald Trump that crossed the line. His casual cruelty to a Gold Star family. His casual suggestion that more country should have nuclear weapons. And now he's casual inciting of violence.

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BERMAN: That was Hillary Clinton today. Jim Acosta, as far as Donald Trump, as you said, feeding red meat to the crowd there. How did the crowd react?

[21:05:07] ACOSTA: Well, they seem to be enjoying every minute of it. They like this version of Donald Trump. A little earlier today he was a bit low energy, to borrow one of his expressions. But I would tell you when Donald Trump was talking about the coverage of those Second Amendment comments yesterday. The crowd here and I have not heard this where I was chanting, lock them up, not lock her up talking about Hillary Clinton, lock them up as in us, the media. John.

BERMAN: You just called Donald Trump low energy. What do you expect? All right, Jim Acosta. Thank you very much, thanks for being, well appreciate it.

Let's bring back the panel, Andre Bauer, Christine Quinn, Philip, Bump, Kayleigh McEnany, Tara Setmayer and Richard Socarides. Let's talk about what Donald Trump said.

Kayleigh McEnany, Donald Trump called President Obama the founder of ISIS.

KAYLEIGH MCENANY, TRUMP'S SUPPORTER: Well, look he opened up room for ISIS to grow by not leaving a stay behind force in Iraq, by invading Libya, invading Syria allowing ISIS to grow from small contingency to 40,000 strong. So not in that sense he is.

And let's not forget what Hillary Clinton called Donald Trump an ISIS Propaganda. So, you know, the other side is incompletely innocent of throwing around ISIS accusations. But I think in this case, this accusation is far more accurate than Donald Trump being an ISIS propaganda.

BERMAN: Well, I mean ISIS was al-Qaeda in Iraq which was founded you know after 2003-2004 before Barack Obama was president. You know, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is the founder of ISIS in fact not President Obama, but you know, I understand the point your making on the rhetoric, Richard Socarides you want to respond.

RICHARD SOCARIDES, CLINTON SUPPORTER: I mean I would just say that, you know, the risk here is the way the whole rhetoric in this campaign is deteriorating led by Mr. Trump. I mean, you know, your joking about it now when the crowd is chanting, lock them up for the press. I mean this is crazy. It's obvious demanding us putting on a show. It's feeding, you know, something in him. Whether it's narcism or whether he's really become an hinge, you know with by this poll numbers. We don't know.

But it's crazy where the rhetoric of this campaign is not where it is headed. It is where it already is. I mean to the point where, you know, he suggested yesterday that Second Amendment people could take arms into their own hands. If they didn't like the result.

MCENANY: No one has said.

SOCARIDES: So I mean it's clear what he said.

MCENANY: No, it's not clear what he said.

SOCARIDES: But, you know, when this whole thing because a discussion of like, you're a liar and you know it's about insult. When it becomes only about insulting the -- your opponent. You can't really have a discussion of the issues that are important that were -- this is an election in which we're going to decide the future direction of our country.

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SOCARIDES: And we all -- we all but, you know ...

MCENANY: Like you, who completely taking him out of context. You just said. Let's listen on what you just and this by the way is why the crowd yells ...

SOCARIDES: But Kayleigh, Kayliegh ...

BERMAN: Let Kayleigh talk, we're going to talk.

MCENANY: ... lock them, this is why the crowd yells lock them up. Because when you say Donald Trump said, he suggested Second Amendment folks take arms up, he never said that. And liberal world, he said that.

TARA SETMAYER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: In the real world that's not ...

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SETMAYER: Once again -- once again ...

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SETMAYER: ... no, wait a minute, wait a minute. I'm liberal but I think that's hilarious.

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BERMAN: Richard first.

SOCARIDES: Because, listen. I mean, what listen, it's not just that one comment, and I mean I -- we don't we, you know, we don't have to argue about everything, right. I mean it's not just that ...

MCENANY: You're a lawyer. You understand this, telling me once and that's an easy one.

SOCARIDES: I do.

SETMAYER: And you're a lawyer. You understand logic.

SOCARIDES: Tara, Tara please.

BERMAN: Richard first then Tara.

SOCARIDES: So I mean, I think people can take from it what they want, right. But it's ...

MCENANY: You can't change his words.

SETMAYER: Kayleigh, let him have it. SOCARIDES: The entire pattern I'm talking about, you know. I mean, I think it is the entire pattern of the way he wants to conduct this campaign. As if it were a Las Vegas entertainment show.

BERMAN: Tara, go ahead.

SETMAYER: OK.

SOCARIDES: And that is what is really going to be troubling as we're heading to the poll.

SETMAYER: Right. You know, right, look, the parts about Obama and ISIS are legitimate points of discussion. However, go say -- encouraging people to say lock up the media is very disturbing. And it is not the first time that he's used the media as part of his sounding board and trying to demonize the media, First Amendment. This is also the same person who said that he wanted to loosen up libel laws so that they can sue the media. I mean that's ...

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SETMAYER: ... that's the First Amendment, right? That I'm sure someone that had authoritarian tendencies like Donald Trump does would like. Now, to address the idea of me being a liberal which is about the fourth time you've tried that little tactic, Kayleigh. And I think it is hilarious and pathetic, actually. Because if have a resume like mine, you actually know what a conservative was.

And is also, if you knew what conservatism was, you wouldn't be supporting Donald Trump. This is someone, you know -- again, as a liberal, that means you give money to someone like Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Liberals, that's what Donald Trump did.

A liberal is someone who is pro-choice. Who is supportive of pro- choice issues like Donald Trump has in. A liberal is someone who goes around and does things that Donald Trump has done his entire life like register as one which I have never done. So stop ...

MCENANY: Tara, I know ...

SETMAYER: ... with the liberal stuff. And everyone who doesn't support Donald Trump is not a liberal.

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[21:10:04] BERMAN: Kayleigh, quickly.

MCENANY: I know you're very sensitive about your conservative credentials ...

SETMAYER: No my sensitive action the accurate. The accurate Donald insult me ...

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SETMAYER: Go ahead ... MACENANY: I know, you didn't go to law school ...

SETMAYER: No, I didn't need to go to law school.

MCENANY: Talking about opening libel laws. That's something Justice Scalia support it ...

SETMAYER: That, he did not ...

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MCENANY: You have to allow me to respond.

BERMAN: Quickly (inaudible).

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BERMAN: Hang on.

MCENANY: He was for opening libel laws.

SETMAYER: Not in the context ...

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BERMAN: All right, all right, so guys what we're going to do with this, what we're going to do with this. We're going to turn this back. We're going to turn this back.

SOCARIDES: I think we need to separate them in future ...

BERMAN: We're going to turn this back council to Donald Trump what he said tonight in the presidential campaign is going on in 2016.

Philip Bump, again back to the statements that Donald Trump made. President Obama the founder of ISIS. Again, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi may have something to say about that.

PHILIP BUMP, WASHINGTON POST POLITICAL RPORTER: Right, you know ...

BERMAN: Mr. Howie, he may have something to say about that in 2003 in 2004. The argument he's making is that, you know, President Obama is weak on ISIS. So there's that and then to the point that Richard was making and Tara was making also the level of the rhetoric here, when statements like that are made. Does it change the framework for the entire campaign?

BUMP: Yes absolutely. I mean we just saw a great example of why what Donald Trump said was beyond what we normally see from political campaign. He could very easily have said and he has in the past said that he thinks Barack Obama did a bad job on foreign policy. It is to Donald Trump's benefit to talk about foreign policy. He tends to do better although not always on foreign policy in polling, but he doesn't to have say Barack Obama was the founder of ISIS. He said that pretty clearly because the audience loved it. He kept saying it as the kept applauding and that's part of the challenge in his campaign has.

Is Donald Trump likes that reinforcement. He says these things he takes it to the hyperbolic extreme. The problem is then we get into this issue of lock up -- the media lock up, Hillary Clinton which in hours just sort of bring like that to normal thing we saw which of course it isn't the normal thing to say.

The problem is, once you extend to that hyperbolic point, it is very hard then to reel it back in and say no of course, Hillary Clinton shouldn't actually go to jail because she is running against me in a political campaign. Once you -- once he keeps doing this thing, and once he keeps taking into that extreme. It's very hard for his supporters who are very, very enthusiastic about him to understand that, that is not, that is not an appropriate way to (inaudible).

BERMAN: All right guys hang on. We're going to take a quick break, maybe a cease fire here. Next, we're going to focus on Hillary Clinton, the allegations of the big donors to the Clinton Foundation paying for state department access allegations of that and yes there are newly released e-mails.

And then later, the Republican nominees growing problem with, some of the Republican Party. How he's handling one big name Republican after another saying they don't want have it -- to have anything to do with him.

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[21:16:22] BERMAN: Once again tonight both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton face questions that go straight to their respective weak points. Donald Trump on temperament, Hillary Clinton on her honesty and the notion of fair or not that she plays by a different set of rules than the rest us.

The latest chapter involves her e-mails. The Clinton Foundation and allegations of big donors paying for jobs and access. The latest now from CNN's Joe Johns.

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JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Tonight, Hillary Clinton facing more controversy as newly released e-mails from her tenure as secretary of state, raised questions about the Clinton Foundation. A nonprofit organization founded by the former president seeking favors from the State Department.

The e-mails obtained by conservative watch dog judicial watch include Clinton Foundation officials lobbying Hillary Clinton State Department aides and advisers to a higher their associates. The Clinton campaign responding that the e-mails are irrelevant, saying, neither of these e-mails involve the secretary or relate to the foundation's work.

The e-mails once again raising questions about Clinton's decision making and trustworthiness while Clinton continues to stumble over the issue on the campaign trail.

CLINTON: I may have short-circuited and for that I, you know, will try to clarify.

JOHNS: The new e-mails reserving as ammunition for Donald Trump citing them as evidence that Clinton is corrupt.

TRUMP: This was big stuff. Pay for play. It's illegal. I mean it's illegal and we'll see what happens with it folks, we'll see what happens with it but it is very serious stuff.

JOHNS: The controversy comes amid encouraging poll numbers for Clinton. A new Bloomberg poll shows Clinton beating Trump nationally 50 percent to 44 percent and Clinton ahead of Trump in key battle ground states. Besting him in Ohio and Pennsylvania. The two locked in a virtual tie in Florida.

Clinton is also on top in blue collar Wisconsin. 46 percent to 36 percent, buying for another battle ground state Clinton today campaigning in Iowa, a state where she is ahead.

CLINTON: You can build it in America and I am determined that we're going to build more and we're going to be able to create more businesses and more jobs by doing so.

JOHNS: Clinton continues to add bipartisan support to her campaign, adding to the growing list of Republican endorsements, long time ambassador and former director of National Intelligence John Negroponte and former Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez, the latest to throw their support behind Clinton.

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BERMAN: All right Joe Johns is now with us with the campaign trail. Joe, what's the Clinton campaign saying today about the e-mail story?

JOHNS: Well John, these e-mails raise a couple of questions. One about former Clinton staffer, trying to get a job, also about a billionaire donor trying on get access to an ambassador and a bad ambassador by the way says there was no access at least there was no meeting.

Still the Clinton campaign is pushing back on the notion that there was something illegal going on here perhaps a quid pro quo. They're also pushing back against judicial laws which is the group that brought these e-mail to life they put out a statement today calling that judicial watch are right wing organization that has been attacking the Clinton since the 1990s, accusing them of essentially mischaracterizing the documents and saying, the fact remains that Hillary Clinton never took action as secretary of state because of donations to the Clinton Foundation.

So this is an issue that may continue to dig her. The e-mail issue has troubled her throughout the primaries and it looks like this is one more development in that long running story, John.

[21:20:01] BERMAN: All right Joe Johns. Thanks so much that was Joe mentioned Donald Trump wasted no time pouncing on the release of these e-mails and have raised questions about the relationship between the Clinton Foundation and the State Department.

Joining me now CNN Senior Political Analyst and former adviser for four president, David Gergen and CNN Chief Political Analyst Gloria Borger.

David, Donald says this represent a pay to play relationship between the Clinton Foundation and the State Department. You have called it a blind spot for how the Clintons do business. What do you mean?

DAVID GERGEN, FORMER PRESIDENTIAL ADVISER: Well, I think that they, you know, they keep pledging to do things in a very ethical way. Hillary Clinton pledged back in 2009 there would be no inter -- overlap between the Foundation, the Clinton Foundation and the State Department while she was secretary, there would be walls, and they never built those walls.

I -- you know, it's what we have I don't know if there's any, if there is pay for play, they didn't get much play out of it. The donor didn't get very much and the discourses are common practices in all of politics that people do favors for each other, and that's all way the system works, especially for donors.

Even so, having pledged to do that you would think they would have enough I think officers set up something very strict everybody would know the guidelines and they wouldn't find themselves, you know, some years later embroiled this in controversy as she's running for president.

BERMAN: And Gloria for you this gets the issue that many people believed that the Clintons have rules and then there are rules than everyone else has to abide by.

GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Right and I think it goes to the question of why Hillary Clinton 60 percent of the American public says they don't trust her, because they believed after decades in the public eye, that the Clintons perhaps do have a different set of rules.

And in this particular case you have the FBI Director declining to prosecute, I might add, over her e-mails but saying that she was extremely careless with her e-mails and then you have Hillary Clinton still defending her self somewhat in Ayrsley, saying that she never knowingly passed on classified information and now you have this newest batch which is 44 e-mails that had previously not been released to the state department and while the campaign say's, you know, inequitably that Hillary Clinton as secretary of state never took any action to benefit donors of the Clinton Foundation, you do have these e-mails which suggest that somebody was trying to do that.

BERMAN: And Gloria, what is do in the election already 64 percent are registered voters don't found Hillary Clinton trustworthy, so will this make that number even lower? Could it possibly even go lower?

BORGER: Well sure. It could go lower and, you know, the problem is that for her, the good part actually I should say for her, is that voters don't much trust Donald Trump either. So she's trying on Donald Trumps temperament and he's playing on her trust problem.

BERMAN: David last word?

GERGEN: Yeah. I think she is lucky hearing that story broke about the e-mails in the midst of the Donald Trump controversy because the Donald Trump controversy is more serious more critical as shown in his critic campaign into crisis, so that her e-mail's like this time around is not getting as much attention as it was otherwise.

BORGER: And, you know, all of this points up why the American public doesn't like either of these candidates particularly.

GERGEN: I agree with that.

BERMAN: Is the drip, drip, drip though ...

BORGER: Yup.

BERMAN: ... that always seems to play for a campaign. Gloria Borger, David Gergen, thanks so much.

BORGER: Sure.

GERGEN: Thank you.

BERMAN: Just ahead a growing list of Republicans from some of the elders of the party, the Congress members and foreign policy experts. They're abandoning the Trump ship if they were ever on to begin with.

What they are now saying and why Trump says it's just sour grapes, that's next.

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[21:27:51] BERMAN: There are senators, governors, congressmen, CEO's, national security and foreign policy leaders and some of the most well known members of the Republican Party. It's a big group that is growing all the time and informal coalition that has one thing in common that's not backing Donald Trump and in many cases, they say they're not even voting for him.

Jessica Schneider reports.

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JESSICA SCHNEIDER, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The denouncements of Donald Trump from his fellow Republicans growing louder by the hour.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trump is too racist and too bigoted for the land of Lincoln.

SEN. SUSAN COLLINS (R), MAINE: He lacks the temperament, the judgment and the self-restraint to be our president.

SEN. SCOTT RINGEL, (R) VIRGINIA: A Trump presidency would really harm our nation. SCHNEIDER: The drop in support and the all-out flip in party loyalty

began even before Trump secured the nomination.

MITT ROMNEY (R) 2012 PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: There is plenty of evidence that Mr. Trump is a con man, a fake.

SCHNEIDER: Mitt Romney pleaded with Republicans back in March to thwart Trump's rise. After the primary, Romney told CNN, he wouldn't rule out voting for Libertarian Party candidate, Gary Johnson. The hunger for an ultimate option prompting pledges from several Republicans to write in a presidential candidate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'll be writing in Colin, General Colin Powell.

COLLINS: I probably, I'm going to end up writing in the name of someone.

SCHNEIDER: Senator Susan Collins says her writing could be George W. Bush's secretary of state Condoleezza Rice or Jeb Bush who Last spoke out about the state of the race on May 6 on Facebook, writing, in November, I will not vote for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton but I will support principled conservatives at the state and federal level just as I have done my entire life.

Former First Lady Barbara Bush, expressing her dismay with Trump in February.

BARBARA BUSH, FORMER FIRST LADY: And he has said terrible things about women, terrible things about military. I don't understand why people are for him for that reason.

CLINTON: Hello.

SCHNEIDER: Hillary Clinton's campaign now seizing on those defections, citing nearly 50 endorsements from former cabinet secretaries, current and former members of Congress and business leaders. People like Hewlett-Packard Enterprise, CEO Meg Whitman, former Treasury secretary Hank Paulson and former Connecticut Congressman and Chris Shays.

[21:30:02] REP. CHRIS SHAYS (R) FORMER CONNECTICUT CONGRESSMAN: And she's going to make government work again which is something I think some Republicans don't want

SCHNEIDER: All while Trump's primary opponents give vague hints about how they will or won't cast their ballots.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: Vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the constitution.

GOV. JOHN KASICH (R), OHIO: I wish that I could be fully enthusiastic. I can't be.

SCHNEIDER: Leaving open the chance even more Republicans will opt not to vote for their own nominee come Election Day. Jessica Schneider, CNN, New York.

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BERMAN: All right, and thanks to Jessica, so we said much earlier, this campaign cannot get any more surprising. It turns out, we spoke too soon.

Donald Trumps, speaking tonight in Sunrise, Florida, had this to say about the people sitting behind him and the people sitting behind Hillary Clinton.

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TRUMP: You think you have the best location, right and you do in what way. But the people behind me, they're all in television, they're going to be famous. They're going to be famous. They're going to be famous.

And by the way, speaking of that was not it terrible, when the father of the animal that killed the wonderful people in Orlando was sitting with a big smile on his face right behind Hillary Clinton. And by the way, including a lot of the people here, how many of you people know me? A lot of you know me, right. Thank you.

When you get those seats, you sort of know the campaign. So what she said, while we didn't know, he knew, they knew.

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BERMAN: Now we want to point out, speaking of the people behind him, that a guy sitting behind Donald Trump in the blue blazer there is former Congressman Mark Foley.

Now, Foley if you'll remember resigned 10 years ago dogged by allegations that he sent sexually explicit e-mails and messages to teenage boys who were working at Congressional pages, sitting behind Donald Trump tonight.

Back now with our panel, Philip Bump with the "Washington Post". I don't even know where to begin. And what to make of this, it's Donald Trump in his speech that I was talking about people sitting behind him at rallies and they're behind him, I was just reading an article before the Sunset Mill with quotes from Mark Foley about why he was excited to be at that event.

It's an odd picture to have him behind Donald Trump of that a bit.

BUMP: It is, I mean one would think that Donald Trump would not, would either fully vet the people there behind him for the next 48 hours or so, or he would not draw attention to it. I think that you know, there is clearly a distinction between the father of a terrorist and murdered, you know, ex number of people and a guy who is under disgrace a while ago.

But yes, I mean once again, Donald Trump though, he likes to make his points. He likes to get they in and have the people angry about Hillary Clinton. He likes to just sort of rift off the cuff. I think this is another example where it didn't exactly work out.

BERMAN: Yeah and, you know, forgetting whatever moral equivalence there, there is a reason here, you know, with that Governor, Mark Foley a guy who left Congress in disgraceful and a lot of people blame that for being one of the tipping points for further Republicans loosing Congress back in 2006. I mean if he is the guy you want behind you at any political event?

ANDRE BAUER, TRUMP SUPPORTER: I would not have chosen him.

BERMAN: OK, your going to leave your answers right there. But it gets to you Tara, you know, and you've worked in politics before.

SETMAYER: Yeah.

BERMAN: It's gets to this -- I think we are really talking about it just yesterday with the father of the Florida shooter, you know, how can a campaigns which pays attention too as Donald Trump says, who sets behind the candidate at rally, how can a campaign, how can both campaign let this happen and, you know, in one week?

SETMAYER: Yeah, I mean it was clearly, a ball was dropped whoever the advance team was for the Clinton campaign. They should be fired. The Trump campaign doesn't really have a campaign apparatus that we know of. So Donald Trump does everything, right? He is the campaign coordinator, he is the press secretary. He is the fund-raiser.

Apparently, he is the advance person too, picking people behind him. I don't know, this is just another example of, if you're going and you don't many of, don't cast stones if you live in a glass house. So, you know, it is kind of silly because it's, there really is no comparison but Donald Trump needs to stop trying to point fingers other places where he clearly makes those same mistakes as well.

MCENANY: It's important to point out though that my colleagues on the left, they're candidate had Omar Mateen's father sitting behind him who was pro-Taliban who gave cover to al-Qaeda and who is anti-gay. And who had said that gays deserves to be punish. This is who Hillary Clinton had three rows behind her and Seddique Mateen says he was invited. You can choose to believe Hillary Clinton's team who said he was not invited or you can believe Seddique who says he was invited.

Who knows the real story? We know 64 percent of people don't trust Hillary Clinton. But it is unfathomable that she had pro-Taliban person, anti gay father sitting behind her.

CHRISTINE QUINN, FORMER NYC CITY COUNCIL SPEAKER: First of all, the campaign and secretary Clinton have fully disavowed this individual.

MCENANY: And we trust her completely.

[21:35:00] QUINN: We sure he'll don't trust Donald Trump so let's set that aside for a second. They disavowed and if you're trying to apply there's some kind of collusion or something between Hillary Clinton and this man whose son massacred LGBT people that is beyond defensive.

So I don't know what you're implying. Being that he was not invited. See, Donald Trump is going tomorrow with Marco Rubio in Florida, not far from the Pulse Nightclub where 49 LGBT people were massacred to an anti-gay organization event.

So do not ...

MCENANY: What?

QUINN: ... try to equate the mistake that was made by her campaign staff. And I agree with Tara. Whoever was in charge of the crowd last night should lose their job. And wait a minute, wait a minute. No. You can't ask me a question.

MCENANY: Because you can't answer the question.

QUINN: Oh you can't ask me a question honey, I can't answer ...

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MCENANY: What attracted the father of the Orlando terrorist to your candidate?

QUINN: He's a mentally ill individual.

MCENANY: Oh that's what I'm attracted, I get it.

QUINN: Pardon me?

MCENANY: What attracted him to your candidate? And our answer is he is mentally ill.

QUINN: I have no (inaudible) -- with that smiling and smirking like it's a funny thing. That there is a man in Florida whose son massacred 49 people. And that man in my opinion contributed to his son was. Because he is clearly mentally unbalanced running for president of Afghanistan.

MCENANY: What attracted him?

BERMAN: Yes, Kayleigh, Kayleigh ...

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BERMAN: ... I have to ask you a question.

(CROSSTALK)

QUINN: And you are outrageous.

BERMAN: Hang on. Hang on.

(CROSSTALK)

BERMAN: Again -- we're getting into issues here of moral severity here -- but -- but -- does he bought it up. Hang on, hang on Christine.

QUINN: And answer those question and don't spin in them some legal mumble jambo because Tara and I may not the lawyers, but that doesn't mean were not as smart as people as to take.

BERMAN: Let me sum this up in one question.

QUINN: No offense to journal.

BERMAN: We will bring up, you brought up the issue of what's of, you know, what attracts the gay people to Donald Trump?

MCENANY: We are ask that everyday in on day ...

QUINN: Can I answer? Answer it.

MCENANY: This time, I'm asking the same question to you that I've answered time and time again.

QUINN: Answer it honey, answer it.

MCENANY: I've answered it time and time again.

QUINN: So what again, do it again.

MCENANY: We cannot control how third parties support us. However, in this case, I think your candidates weak policies on ISIS, your candidate's weak policies who will be over run by ISIS. Already have is what attracted the father of an ISIS terrorist.

BERMAN: All right ...

QUINN: You don't think your candidate race baiting, he's attacking a Mexican judge is pleasing on us. Is that -- you don't think that's what invites and draws in one of the worst racists in America? Then you're living in your fantasy world.

MCENANY: I don't think because you did this to Ronald Reagan. It didn't work and he was the best president we've ever had.

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BERMAN: Philip Bump, Philip Bump.

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BERMAN: Philip Bump, Philip Bump, Philip Bump.

QUINN: David Duke.

BERMAN: Philip Bump.

BUMP: I don't like the David Duke Philip Bump.

QUINN: No not.

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BERMAN: Perhaps to the idea that campaigns, getting back to who is sitting on stage behind the candidates. And, you know, a couple nights ago was the father who under sure, tonight it is Mark Foley. Does this not perhaps get to the idea that maybe these campaigns are not tightly as run as we all thought they might be?

BUMP: Well, yes, it certainly does. I mean I think the Mateen thing was a huge screw up. And there's no question ...

QUINN: No question, no question.

BUMP: ... about that right. I think that this is a much lesser screw up. That it was mostly a screw-up, because Donald Trump turn on that point on that.

QUINN: Right.

BUMP: Right. But we should also not compare the two campaigns. Hillary Clinton is running a campaign. Donald Trump is not running a campaign. And it's -- it is weird to say that because he is a candidate. He's out there, he's on the trail. But he is not running any TV ads. He's not on the ground anywhere. There are volunteers in Cincinnati that form their own volunteer headquarters, because no from Trump campaign had done it. These are two very different thing ...

BERMAN: Richard Socarides ...

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BERMAN: Richard Socarides, you've been sitting awfully quiet. You must have a lot to say about this.

SOCARIDES: Well I would not have invited either one of these people to my rally.

BERMAN: I don't know that either one were invited. We don't know. That either of these folks were invited to the events. You know, and we're talking about what the Orlando shooter's father was saying. Mark Foley in this interview, The Florida Sun, was saying he's known and been friends with Donald Trump for a long, long time.

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SOCARIDES: Yeah, I mean, and I think on both sides were probably making too much of this. I mean I think that this was probably an input certainly an unfortunate occurrence when it happened in the Clinton campaign. They say, and I believe in that they knew nothing about it, that this rally was open to the public. We don't know why Mr. Foley was there but I don't think that's a huge deal either.

I mean, I think we really got to focus on the important things here. And who -- the present photograph behind the candidate at the campaign rally maybe it could be sometimes a security issue. The certainly the thing in Florida was not a good moment for anybody. But you know.

BERMAN: Richard Socarides ...

SOCARIDES: Let's figure out ...

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BERMAN: ... we're carrying a big stick, we're going to leave it there. Thank you everyone on the panel tonight.

Coming up, more what we know about the guy who climbed outside Trump Tower with suction cupsin Manhattan today, before he was pulled into the window by police, traumatic moments.

We'll give you the latest, coming up.

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[21:43:42] BERMAN: So as you might have seen, it was pretty hard to turn away. For about three hours today, a man using suction cups scaled Trump tower before the NYPD pulled him in through a window on the 21st floor.

Brynn Gingras joins me now with the latest and Brynn this guy, this guy was climbing for several hours before police finally pulled him in. What's the latest?

BRYNN GINGRAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Oh it's pretty dramatic rescue John. I mean, thousands of people were on the ground here surrounding Trump Tower, looking at it. Oohing and awing as this all enfolded right before that.

We know that this man is 20 years old, he's from Virginia and according to police; he came here from Virginia last night, stayed in a hotel and had a plan to climb Trump Tower and where he did, you know, he spent three hours offending going vertical and horizontal, evading police who were trying to tell him to get inside to help them -- help him get inside and he kept saying that he was going to go all the way to the top.

So it was a very dramatic scene unfolded before everybody's eyes John and luckily it all ended safely. That man right now at Bellevue Hospital under evaluation.

BERMAN: And he posted a YouTube video yesterday. What did he say?

GINGRAS: Yeah, and he told police about this YouTube video as he was continuing his ascent and he said basically, it's a message to Mr. Trump is a very gothic message and he said he was an independent researcher. That he had a message for Mr. Trump and that he wanted to speak to him and he said this was the only way that he would actually get Mr. Trump's attention. That if he went about it a conventional way, nobody would listen.

[21:45:11] So that was his purpose. It was sort of rambling and it didn't exactly say what that message was but he said he did hope now he has Donald Trump's attention to deliver whatever that message may be, but certainly an interesting way to go about it, John. BERMNA: And at this moment, as you said he is in Bellevue Hospital receiving psychiatric evaluation under arrest. And authorities will determine after that fact whether to press charges. Brynn Gingras, thanks so much.

Of course, this is not the first time someone has looked at a super tall building and if not, hey, I need to climb that thing with or without permission, Randi Kaye reports.

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RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Look at this view. It's 577 feet up high above Moscow, the video taken by a daring climber back in 2012. The man filmed himself as he climbed often pointing the camera at the ground. The camera reportedly clenched between his teeth. It's dizzying to watch.

That climber is Tyomka Pirniazov. The building was completed in 1952 and has 32 floors. It is considered one of the 7 Stalinist Skyscrapers in the city known as the 7 sisters. On his YouTube page, the climber wrote, this is the most dangerous thing I've ever made in my life. Please don't repeat under any circumstances.

In April 2014, French rock and urban climber Alain Robert used suction cups to climb the Galaxy Macau Tower in China. Often called the French Spiderman, he did it to help promote the amazing Spiderman 2 movie. All he used were suction cups and a rope.

In all he has climbed over 100 of the world's tallest buildings, including Dubai's 75 storey Cayan Tower. He pulled it off at 52 years of age without ropes in less than 70 minutes. The Cayan Tower is considered the highest twisted tower in the world.

ALAIN ROBERT, FRENCH ROCK AND URBAN CLIMBER: When I climb there is no space for fear. On the contrary, you know, you are pushing aside everything and it's a lot about positive thinking. But everything is depending a lot on your mental and your physical stamina.

KAYE: Robert, had also climbed The New York Times building in Manhattan back in 2008. The first of 3 climbers to do so before the times increased security. The third man was David Malone also in 2008. While he scaled the building, police cordoned off the sidewalk after Malone managed to climb to 10 stories. Malone was arrested on the scene.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is no basis to this case. Even the -- presented to the grand jury and ultimately, the truth will come out David is a fine individual.

KAYE: Still, a grand jury indicted Malone on several charges including misdemeanor reckless endangerment.

In 2014, 2 Russian dare devils pulled off an amazing stunt scaling the world's second tallest building the Shanghai Tower in China. The building was still under construction and stood 2,073 feet high. The men disappeared into the clouds without even using ropes or safety equipment. They filmed the terrifying feat for the world to see.

Journaling about the climb, they reportedly wrote, they chose the Chinese New Year day to do it figuring security would be less watchful. They reportedly spent 18 hours on top of the building, sleeping and waiting for better weather for the climb down. Police vowed to increase security after the 2 men escaped.

Randi Kaye, CNN New York.

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BERMAN: Well, thanks to Randi Kaye for that. And again, just a reminder of what happened today, a man climbed up the side of Trump Tower of whatever circus like atmosphere there was and curiosity, a lot of police resources, a lot of law enforcement resources were deployed. There were safety issues of people on the street. Things were dropped. Not to mention the safety of the man climbing the building and the safety of law enforcement who ultimately pulled a man 21 stories up.

Up next, a tragic accident, a citizen's police academy an officer accidentally shoots a woman in the class when he fired real bullets, not blanks.

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[21:53:04] BERMAN: An investigation is now under way in Punta Gorda, Florida after a retired librarian acting as a victim in a shoot-don't shoot exercise at a citizen's police academy was shot and killed by an officer who mistakenly fired live ammunition instead of blank rounds.

CNN's Victor Blackwell reports.

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STEVE KNOWLTON, SON OF VICTIM: It just doesn't seem real that the brightest light in our life is gone.

VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: In a heart breaking irony the tragedy that dimmed to that light was not supposed to have been real. Steve Knowlton, 73 year old Mary Knowlton had volunteered to participate in a fake police emergency in her coastal floor to community when she was struck by a real bullet in what police are calling a tragic accident.

The simulation was part of the citizen's police academy night hosted by Punta Gorda Police Department. It was build as a n opportunity to meet the officers and learn about the tough choices they have to make. But Knowlton says his mom signed up for a different reason.

KNOWLTON: We'd been talking 2 nights before about, you know, how bad things were for the police in this nation after all the shootings and the -- she wanted to show her support, she wanted to make it clear to them that she supported them.

BLACKWELL: During the first role play scenario of the night Knowlton teamed up with another volunteer and officer Lee Coel for a shoot- don't shoot role play. It's an exercise these officers have led many times before even using the same revolver as during other simulations.

But that revolver which is usually loaded with blanks had live ammunition. The officer fired at least one round at the retired librarian as nearly 3 dozen other volunteers looked on.

TOM LEWIS, PUNTA GORDA POLICE, CHIEF: We were unaware that any live ammunition for this particular weapon existed. We believe that the particular caliber of the weapon used that there were only blank rounds available to the officer.

[21:55:05] BLACKWELL: Knowlton, a wife for more than 50 years and a mother of 2 was shot once according to police. She was pronounced dead at the hospital.

KNOWLTON: Why he had to shoot at her, I don't know. I just -- you sit and question, second guess. I wished had a time machine I could go back a day and stop her from going. I'd give anything to talk to her again.

BLACKWELL: A loss also felt personally by the police chief, Tom Lewis.

LEWIS: Mary Knowlton is a phenomenal person in this community. I know her very well. She attends a lot of community events. It's just a horrific time for all of us.

BLAKCWELL: As the Florida Department of Law Enforcement tries to figure out how and why that live round was used Officer Coel has been placed on administrative leave.

KNOWLTON: I know this guy that did this is probably can't even live in his own skin right now but, you know, we want him to know that we know he -- I'm sure he didn't intend on this happening and I forgive him.

BLACKWELL: Grief counseling has been given to the officer and to those who witnessed the shooting as police try to understand how such a tragic accident could have happened outside their own police station.

Victor Blackwell, CNN, Atlanta.

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BERMAN: Just awful. We'll be right back.

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[22:00:06] BERMAN: That does it for us. Time now for "CNN TONIGHT" with Don Lemon.