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Brexit Shock; Sign Of Times?; Trump On Brexit; Markets Tumble On Brexit Shock; Brexit And Borders; Trump Praises Brexit Vote; Blair On Brexit Parallels; What Does Brexit Mean For America?; Could UK Break Up?; At Least 20 Dead In W. Virginia Floods; United Kingdom Votes To Leave EU; Could Brexit Lead To Break-Up Of UK; Markets Plunge As UK Votes To Leave EU; Europe After Brexit; Scotland, You've Been Trumped; Trump: 'I Love To See People Take Their Country Back'; Brexit Shock And The Campaign. Aired 9-10p ET
Aired June 24, 2016 - 21:00 ET
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[21:00:11] JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: That does it for us. "CNN Tonight" with Don Lemon starts now.
DON LEMON, CNN TONIGHT ANCHOR: The conventional wisdom wrong again.
This is "CNN Tonight", I'm Don Lemon.
And conventional wisdom in the UK and around the world was that Brexit would never happen. Just as the conventional wisdom here, was that Donald Trump would never get the nomination. And we all know how that ended up.
We will look back years from now and say that this is a summer when everything changed in the UK, in Europe and right here at home. Donald Trump certainly seems to think so.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I think you're going to have this happen more and more. I really believe that. And I think it's happening in the United States, it's happening by the fact that I've done so well in the polls.
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LEMON: Dow tumbling more than 600 points. Should you keep calm and carry on, or will Brexit hit you hard in the wallet. Lot's to discuss.
Let's go right to CNN's Nic Robertson live for outside Prime Minister David Cameron's official residence for now at number 10 Downing Street. So Nic, hello to you. The decision to leave the EU was a bombshell. Now one day in, what is reaction been?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Just one of shock, you know, in London, that so many voted to remain, there's a lot of people here just didn't expect it to happen. They thought that the vote would come out in their favor.
But you look around the rest of the country and so many places and they voted to leave. They won the day. And certainly for the leave camp, it has been a day of celebration, but I think the sort of concerns and some of the realities are beginning to settle in for people, there's a real sort of shock that what was predicted to happen if there was exit from the European Union that value of the pound would tumble, that world markets would shake.
People are beginning to see that. So whichever way you look at it, whichever camp you're in, whichever side you voted for, it is a day of reality and a day I think people are still getting used to. Don.
LEMON: Yeah. One thing for sure, everybody is watching, regardless of how you feel about it. Immigration though Nic is that the center piece of the U.S. election and many people say that it was also the driving force behind the vote to leave. How will immigration policy change they are change now?
ROBERTSON: Yeah. Well the leave campaign a few weeks ago said they would institute appoints based system, something like Australia uses at the moment. So if you want to come to Britain and Britain has a need of whether teachers or lawyers or doctors or whatever it is, Britain will let in the relative not the right number of people for the right number of jobs, if you have the right qualifications.
We're still a long ways from that coming into play, but that what's been proposed by the leave campaign. At the same time you'll have a change in the way that the European Union relationship works. Currently if you're in the European Union you want to work in Britain. You can come here and do that providing you go to job within six months, that will likely change now.
However, how will it change or what look like, again, we don't know. But if you take Norway as an example is not in the European Union, to get their trade relationship with Europe, guess what, they have to allow European Union citizens to come into Norway and work, so this question is yet to be answered and that's going to be a very interesting one, if you're not in Britain at least to watch and see how it plays out. We just don't know.
LEMON: Yeah. Nic Robertson, live for us at No. 10 Downing Street in London tonight. Thank you very much for that Nic.
Markets are tumbling around the world as the Brexit shock sets in. But Donald Trump couldn't be happier with the result of the vote and he sees parallels with his own campaign. Here is CNN'S Jim Acosta.
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JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Don't look now but Trumpism just crossed the Atlantic. At least that's how Donald Trump sees Britain so called Brexit from the European Union even drawing parallel to his own race.
TRUMP: People want to take their country back and they want to have independence in a sense. They want to be able to have a country again. So I think you going to have this happen more and more, I believe that and I think it's happening in the United States.
ACOSTA: At the grand reopening of this Turnberry Golf Course in Scotland, Trump hailed to vote in the UK as vindication of this push against what he considers to be the scourge of open borders.
And the presumptive GOP nominee shrugged off the immediate panic in global financial markets as a potential business opportunity for Britain and himself.
TRUMP: And when the pound goes down, more people are coming to Turnberry, frankly.
ACOSTA: Ignoring a protester holding up golf balls featuring Nazis Swastikas, Trump seems to welcome the political fallout in London where Prime Minister David Cameron announced he is stepping down.
[21:05:06] The two leaders had tangled over Trump's proposal to ban Muslims entering the U.S. and chose opposing sides over Brexit.
TRUMP: He was wrong on this, he didn't get the mood of his country right.
ACOSTA: Trump had misread part of Brexit himself, tweeting that Scotland was going wild over the vote. But the return showed Scotland had actually decided to remain in the EU.
TRUMP: The world doesn't listen to him.
ACOSTA: But it was a victory lap for Trump as he slammed President Obama and Hillary Clinton for waiting into British politics against Brexit.
TRUMP: I thought it was appropriate and then she doubled down, and then she did the same thing. And obviously for the 219th time, they were wrong.
ACOSTA: Clinton responded to Brexit in a statement, saying this time of uncertainty only underscores the need for calm, steady, experienced, leadership in the White House. Her campaign savaged Trump's reaction as frightening.
CLINTON: He's not concerned at the American people or retirement accounts or security. He is concerned with himself and that's it.
ACOSTA: Trump says his skills as a businessman that the country needs.
TRUMP: And we have a problem
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People say the country is not a golf course.
TRUMP: No, it's not, but it's, you'd be amazed how similar it is. It is called a place that has to be fixed, and there's nobody knows how to fix things like me. ACOSTA: As for Trump properties, the real estate tycoon said he would continue to hold campaign events as venues bearing his name.
TRUMP: My properties, number one, I have the best properties.
ACOSTA: And said he'll give up control over them if he wins the White House.
TRUMP: If I win I would even though I don't have to do that, I would probably put everything in trust. My children will run it along with my executives.
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ACOSTA: And Donald Trump is now fund-raising off of the Brexit results saying in an e-mail, the supporters with your help we're going to do the exact same thing on Election Day in 2016 here in the United States of America.
Over the weekend, Trump will visit another one of his golf courses in the Town of Aberdeen where some residents have raised Mexican flags to criticize his rhetoric on immigration. And even though some Republicans wish he would just come home and start to campaigning again. Trump defended this troupe saying, he is doing it for his children who handle much of the family business. Don?
LEMON: Jim Acosta, thank you very much.
In a moment of unexpected humility, Donald Trump said this to Fox Business Network just two days ago.
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TRUMP: I don't think anybody should listen to me because I haven't really focused on it very much.
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LEMON: Talking about Brexit there. And now I want to bring in Ali Velshi of Global Affairs and Economic Analyst. Why are you doing this?
ALI VELSHI, GLOBAL AFFAIRS & ECONOMIC ANALYST: I would just say face palming. I mean a guy a few days ago didn't know much about it, to a guy with so much to say about it today, how it represented ambitions of the American people, it's little puzzling.
LEMON: Yeah. So I mean this is extraordinary, because Americans, welcome we were on late last night, and, you know, that was everyone was up, but Americans woke up to this happening in the EU. And then there's Donald Trump, what timing over there in Scotland. And there he is with the cameras and everything opening a golf course.
VELSHI: Yeah. And mistakenly misjudging in fact that Scotland and Northern Ireland which are both part of the UK voted overwhelmingly to stay, it was English counties that voted ... LEMON: Because he say it was panda like ...
VELSHI: Right ...
VELSHI: ... said they were over the moon about the whole thing. And sort of being out of touch with the idea that will I don't think it is the thing to focus on, the more than 3 percent drop in the Dow and the S&P 500 and more than 4 percent drop on the NASDAQ does frightening working Americans who have their money 401(k)s. I don't think in a long term people should be particularly worried about this, I think it will bounce back fairly quickly. But it does work.
LEMON: All right, that's a big because the Dow climbs what more than 600 points ...
LEMON: ... as soon the selloff, or do you think its going to recover? Because ...
LEMON: ... I'm watching, you know, all the news, right. I'm listening to the radio and everyone is like, oh, my gosh and then I talk to people even people in the sort of in the economics business and they're like, we'll see.
VELSHI: Yeah. I would say that. If we had numbers for everything else in the world, we panic about this much but you can see that Dow board all day, and that's how you get the impression that it's more serious than it might be.
There are two things to think about here. One is the Dow ended the day at its lowest point on a downward trend ...
VELSHI: ... and volume was very high which indicates that this is going on through Monday or at least Sunday night.
You're likely to see Asian markets reacting to this. At some point it will stop and people will start buying. It's not unclear that the U. S. may be headed for recession at some point in the next 18 months. It's pretty unclear this isn't going to be the catalyst for it.
So I wouldn't worry about this as the major event. If you are in the stock market and you watched this happen today, pay a little less attention to the TV, as long as you're, you know, well diversified, just step back. And let this fix itself.
LEMON: In 10 years that we've known each other and then covering this for CNN, we've seen it.
VELSHI: We've seen it. LEMON: One, two, three times. Yeah.
VELSHI: Right. 15 years ago, 10 years ago, I might be alarmed by this. But we've seen drops of 1,000 points, we saw 777 points when the stimulus bill didn't pass. So I can handle 600.
LEMON: But this is different though because, you know, I mean when you have Britain saying, you know, we're not -- we don't want to see you put that I mean, it is a little different.
[21:09:58] VELSHI: What it is, yesterday we knew what the rules were. Today there's no rule boat. So, what people are saying, is let me take my money out until somebody tells me, it safe to get back and again it's not the same as saying, I think the world is coming (inaudible).
LEMON: The man that used to have David Cameron's job, Tony Blair spoke to our Wolf Blitzer earlier today and he said there's a common thread between Brexit. The Brexit vote in what's happening here. Here he is.
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TONY BLAIR, FMR BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: I think they're all parallels but, you know, the question is to those parallels take you in a good direction or a bad direction, and, you know, that the most important thing to understand in the end is that over these days, weeks, and months ahead, people will be able to see the consequences of this vote.
And there is a real problem everywhere with people feeling their incomes are flat lining, they can see that it can be that this changing around them. They feel they've -- in a sense lost control over their own destiny. And that was a strong feeling in the UK.
That getting out of Europe is not the answer. In a world that is coming together much more, you're better able to achieve your range in alliance with others rather than thinking that you pluck the drawbridge, you're going to make your problems better your not.
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LEMON: Is this vote a test case for American, because he's talking about fear, and we're seeing that fear.
VELSHI: Yeah. So, I think this was a bit of a protest vote, right. They didn't have election in the UK to throw the bums out so they throw about a different way.
In the United States, we're going to have an election. And that is a global phenomenon, Don what you saw in the UK, that anger of the working class to were the elite which you're seeing in America both from Bernie Sanders supporters, Donald Trump supporters, Ted Cruz supporters.
This is a global phenomenon as you grow more unequal it is, the rich get richer and a smaller group of people control more, people great angry and this are their only choice in the democracy your choices are to vote they had ballot. And they -- Ian Bremmer did a great piece for Time Magazine and saving where he said, the bums have been tossed out.
LEMON: How much of this is about a legitimate economic anxiety among groups of traditional working class folks or who feel like they're falling behind or is it xenophobia in Europe right now?
VELSHI: It is, but the actual fear about falling behind is legitimate, it's legitimate in the United States to for middle aged white men, for instance, with high school educations. It can be stoked with xenophobia. That's what happened in Great Britain.
There's a population who legitimately would have thought that EU and trade deals in general are bad for the working class and they should think so in America too. Trade deals are great for companies, companies finance campaigns and that's why everybody always campaigns in favor of trade deals. But the worker in an industrialized country it's bad.
What the leave campaign did in Great Britain is they stoked the flames of that, they poured the fuel of xenophobia and fear on to it and they created an emotional vote. The other vote was for the status quo. There's nothing emotional about voting for status quo.
LEMON: Yeah. Young people overwhelmingly in favor of staying. You know who educate me on Brexit.
LEMON: A millennium.
LEMON: Was just, I was worried about, it's like ...
VELSHI: That's a global people.
VELSHI: Right. They are not parochial thinkers. Their friends are global. They know about the rest of the world, they don't fear it. What you did is we played on the fears of people who see immigrants coming into United Kingdom and accelerating ahead of them.
VELSHI: It was the legal immigrants from former British colonies then it was the European immigration ...
LEMON: Because they adopted to new technology in the new economy. And.
VELSHI: That the fear is legitimate and the fear is here in the United States, too. LEMON: Yeah.
VELSHI: It's irresponsible to stoke it.
LEMON: Thank you, sir. Always a pleasure.
VELSHI: Good to see you.
LEMON: Good to see you. Better circumstances when to see each other than there's a crash in the market or something. Thank you very much.
When we come back, is Brexit a sign of the times? Could a breakup of the UK be next? We'll be right back.
[21:17:12] LEMON: Breaking news out of West Virginia tonight, look at these pictures at least 20 people are dead, and massive floods sweeping across the state. Trees and power lines are failing are falling I should say as heavy rain sent creeks and rivers over their banks, leaving many residents stranded.
It is unbelievable, the Luxury Greenbrier Resort, which is set to host of PGA towards Greenbrier classic next month, has been forced to close. More than 10 inches of rain have fallen in parts of the state. National weather service says there's only a one in 1,000 chance of that happening in any given year.
Back to our breaking news, now, I want to talk about the Brexit vote in the UK where experts predict it will take at least two years to actually leave the European Union. Legal, political, and financial issues all need to be worked out first.
Here to discuss that is Mohamed El-Erian, he is the chief economic adviser at Allianz and a chair of President Obama's global development council, and Rana Foroohar, CNN global economic analyst and author of "Makers and Takers, the Rise of Finance and the Fall of American Business".
So thank you both for joining us. Rana, you first, so could we say that this break up the UK down the road? Could the UK, could we see a breakup of the UK down the road, and get that on a Friday night?
RANA FOROOHAR, CNN, GLOBAL ECONOMIC ANALYST: Well, I mean you're already seeing the end of the EU in way I mean what is the most benevolent experience -- experiment in the globalization ever, you know, this is a major, major blow to that, just the fact the UK is pulling away.
Are you going to see more polarization in the UK now itself? I think quite possibly ...
LEMON: Because it is so divided, where I can mean is it ...
FOROOHAR: It so divided and, you know, I think what's really, really interesting, is this whole thing, Brexit, the far right and far left populism in Europe but also the politics here in the U.S. reflect a trust gap between the elite and the mass.
Nobody saw this coming in the markets, it's fascinating yesterday that Wall Street was pricing in about 25 percent chance that this would happen. And that's because people in Washington, in Wall Street and Brussels, many elite's from London, just don't have a sense how angry people are. And I think that there, there's still a lot yet to come on that front.
LEMON: You say and Mohamed, you say the Brexit vote is an example of people not listening, explain that?
MOHAMED EL-ERIAN, CHAIR PRESIDENT OBAMA'S GLOBAL DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL: So politicians have not realized as Rana just have said the gap that exists in terms of the trust of the establishment, be it the business elite or government elite. Also expert opinion hasn't quite realized.
I think this is a very loud wake-up call that when you grow advance economies at very low rates and the benefits of that growth goes to a very small segment of the population, then seeing strange things happen and this is just one more, you can add it to the list which is already quite long.
[21:20:06] LEMON: So let me ask you, as Mohamed, so this is unprecedented and you said so, you know, when you grow an economy the way that that we have been growing economies and this happens, do you have any idea what happens after this?
EL-ERIAN: Yeah. We come to what have called the T junction, the current road world we ran is getting exhausted. This world of low growth and having Central Banks to all the heavy lifting, that road is near exhaustion. Things are starting to break.
But we have a choice. One is to opt for a comprehensive economics measures. And this is not an engineering problem, this is a just political implementation issues. If we do that, then low growth becomes high, more inclusive growth, and artificial financial stability becomes genuine financial stability.
If however, you continue as we are right now and the political class doesn't step up, and low growth will be recession, and artificial stability will be massive financial instability.
LEMON: Rana because you said some already beginning to sound the alarm saying that, you know, it's we're due for a recession.
FOROOHAR: Correct. Yeah, yeah.
LEMON: Is this?
FOROOHAR: Well mathematically, global recessions happen about once every eight years. So yeah, I mean we are due for recession.
LEMON: We're just facing that.
FOROOHAR: I think that absolutely you see a lot of investors. Lot of banks already down grading their growth of force. But Mohamed makes a really good point, which is that we've had market led growth, right. The market have been record highs until pretty recently. And even now, you know, we're still ahead of where we were certainly awhile back, but Main Street hasn't really felt the recovery.
And unfortunately in order to create a real recovery on Main Street, not kind of genetically modified recovery that's been genetically modified by the central bankers, you have to do some heavy political lifting. Hillary Clinton actually laid out some interesting things, that a lot of people would say could help do that, a big infrastructure plan, she talked about earlier this year, training, work force training. But this is hard politically contentious stuff and it gets harder when politics are partisan and populous as they are now.
LEMON: Mohamed, economists and world leaders for decades have been pushing for free markets at least with the EU, it's a common currency, trade deals, all of which may be great for market elite, you guys keep talking about market elite's and for institutions, but have they not been giving enough thought to a real life human and psychological effects those decisions have on people?
EL-ERIAN: So free trade makes the country as a whole better off. There are complex issues, but we have policies to deal with that. The irony is in the United States and most of Europe we have frozen fiscal policy.
And fiscal policy is very important when it comes to redistribution. So we shouldn't throw free trade out the window, we should make sure it is fair, but we should also make sure that the other instruments of policies in particular are fiscal policies are being used to make sure that we get inclusive growth.
FOROOHAR: I think one thing is really hard about this right now is that this isn't just the response to the last year or even last eight years. This is -- we've been in 40 years where politicians on both sides of the aisle have tossed the ball to the markets, have said the markets know best and this is what I talk about in my book, and avoided doing that heavy lifting.
And so that's why you have this loss of trust now on the part of the mass population. That they don't trust any political establishment candidate. Even if the ideas coming out their mouths may be good, there's just that loss of trust and it's very hard to get that back once it's gone.
LEMON: So do you think there is going to be either who some buyer's remorse because were already hearing that, you know, they may not be able to leave up to some of the promises that they promise if they did leave like spending the money that you know that was going to Brussels in health care.
LEMON: And so on and so forth. Mohamed do you want to tackle that? EL-ERIAN: Oh absolutely. I mean they're going to discover very quickly that you cannot replace something with nothing. And if you don't have something else to offer. Something concrete including what sort of trading relationship your going to have with Europe then you going to end up from recession.
And I think this is really important because as much as I understand the argument that what happened in Britain emboldens other anti- establishment movements, it will also remind people that you have to have a credible alternative. So we're going to have enormous scrutiny ...
LEMON: Even from the U.S.
EL-ERIAN: ... of economic plans. Absolutely. We're going to have enormous scrutiny now of the economic plans of the two candidates. And Mr. Trump is going to step it up because relative to Secretary Clinton, there isn't much there in terms of his economic approach. But also keep an eye out for Spain on Sunday.
Some people are saying that ironically what happened in Britain today may embolden not the anti-establishment movement for the most it may end up em bolding the governing, because people are going to say, you know, what I don't want this chaos.
[21:24:58] FOROOHAR: Yeah. I mean the best case scenario would actually be if this Brexit vote finally brought Europe together in a real deeper political union, which is really fundamentally what needs to happen in order for the European debt crisis to stop flaring up every few years and for Europe to be stable and start growing at a reasonable rate.
LEMON: Thank you Rana, thank you Mohamed. I appreciate it. Have a good weekend and (inaudible) and tough time now but, have a good weekend but enjoy it as much as you can.
Up next, far right politicians across Europe, praising the Brexit vote and calling for more of the same. Is it the beginning of the end of the united -- of a united Europe?
LEMON: One of the leaders of a campaign to get Britain out of the European Union is a static at the result of the vote.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let June of the 23rd go down in our history as our Independence Day.
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LEMON: Here to discuss, CNN presidential historian Douglas Brinkley, author of "Rightful Heritage" Franklin D. Roosevelt and the Land of America, and Michael Weiss, senior editor at "The Daily Beast" and the co-author of "ISIS Inside The Army of Terror." [21:30:00] There's a lots to discuss. Douglas Brinkley, you first, after World War II, Europe banded together, you know, but far right groups are calling or and gaining a stronger foot hole again. There attention is over the nationalism immigration, is this the beginning of the end of the post World War II era of unity and stability?
DOUGLAS BRINKLEY, CNN PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN: Well, it's a jerk in the backwards direction. I mean, remember during World War II, Great Britain was about keep calm and carry on and, you know, Britain was always a little reluctant to join the European Union movement, so you had Britain and France really leading the charge.
But, now, you know, I think that there -- this is a catastrophic -- potentially catastrophic event for the European Union, right now. Not so much, Don for the United States and Great Britain is still a great NATO ally, there still on the U.N. Security Council, but, you know, it's very, very difficult news I think for the financial markets of the world to absorb.
LEMON: And Michael, you wrote a piece in The Daily Beast, it was called "How Britain Tricked Itself Into Leaving Europe." What do you mean by that?
MICHAEL WEISS, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, Mr. Farage, he was just exhibited on television, he is an isolationist, he's the leader of the UK Independence Party.
And part of the platform that they were running this pro-lift campaign on was a lie. He was saying -- it was actually the double lie. The first was that the United Kingdom is spending 350 million pounds sterling per week on the European Union. That's false.
The actual figure is even less than half than that. The second lie was that, that money would then be -- would be diverted into the National Health Service which is the socialized health care that Britain has had since the end of World War II Mr. Farage was on television today on the morning show.
LEMON: He is not sure that's going to happen.
WEISS: And he was asked by the presenter, you know, is that going to happen? He said no, it's not. And how many people, I mean Don, this decision was very much decided by kind of the senior vote in the UK, I mean, you can look at the generational gap. People under the age of I think 40 years old were overwhelming for and remain the sort of older Brits were for lift.
How many people were banking on the fact that much like in this country Social Security and sort of the scare issue for the geriatric electorate, chose to get out of the European Union on the basis that, oh the NHS is going to be, you know, will be reinvigorated.
That was just a lie. And then, there have been several lies in this campaign. I mean this has been the depth of expertise and the death of fact and it's been a complete scare mongering campaign. And premised by enlarged on a kind of -- not even a dog was a xenophobia but just outright racism in some prospects and Boris Johnson who stands now to be the next prime minister of the UK, when President Obama was in London in April, Boris Johnson who gave an interview to the Sun which is in right wing tabloid saying that well, you know and very easily manner some people think that the President Obama doesn't like the UK because he is "Kenyan ancestry" and he has a sort of anti-colonials, I mean essentially saying that God was a (inaudible) rebel. This man could be a prime minister while President Obama is still president of United States. Talked about a special relationship between the United States in the U.K.
LEMON: And speaking of that and speaking as you mentioned you said -- Michael said that this was about, you know, an older generation is an opted in New York Times today, Douglas and it's called "Brexit and Europe's Angry Old Men." It describes leaders, including Donald Trump. In this way that these politicians, men and women to be sure are young enough not to have experienced World War but they are old enough to idealized, the pre 1989 era and a center of free globalization world. The British vote feels momentums but we will -- most likely look back at it as merely the first in a series of fights for the soul of Europe.
Interesting so what's your take on that? Does this come down to some having a short memory?
BRINKLEY: I think so, you know, we don't realized how much our state department, no matter what the administration from Truman up to Obama, our State Department has been the biggest promoter of the European Union and it was the big privilege, I mean that the ideas to keep progressing forward this is a giant step backwards and it's unclear what might unravel next.
Well, what will happen with Greece? There going to be elections in France and Germany and but there is across the so-called, you know, Atlantic corridor, between the United States and Europe, there is a lot of fear of immigration, there is a lot of fear about Middle East terrorism, there's a lot of anger going on at elite's. Turkey has been trying to get into the European Union. Now what happens? Do they not go in, and then what happens with the Turkish and Syrian border?
The people come again to Europe it is safe to say that it is a powder keg in Europe this weekend. And we're just going to have to see how it unfolds, 600 points in the Dow is just the opening salve (ph), we probably going to have a tough few days, next week and we'll have to see where this leads us.
LEMON: Our Barbara Starr is reporting at popular online Jihadi forums, they're celebrating Brexit and hopes that this means more chaos in Europe, so I'm wondering what the Brexit, this vote means for the National Security keeping Russia and they are defeating ISIS, that's for you Michael.
[21:35:05] WEISS: Well, look, there is a palpable National Security consideration here The secretary general of NATO, gave an interview to The Guardian on the eve of Brexit saying, this will affect our ability to constraint and counter the threat of International Jihadism. In what way concretely.
Well, being part of European Union means that you subscribe to this EU warrant system where people, suspects that are wanted around the continent or within the 28 member state system of the European Union can be tracked collectively.
Now, of course people slip through the cracks, it doesn't always work. The Paris attack being a prime case in point. But there are other considerations here too, that America's role or America's relationship with Britain will be to some extent downgraded, despite they whether coming in to the White House today.
If you listen to what U.S. trade officials are saying. Now, it means that we will not have a terror free relationship with United Kingdom and they'll have to -- re-negotiate their privilege about the U.S. on the same basis that Brazil and India and China do.
I mean this is unfathomable, you know, even two years ago that United Kingdom, essentially our cousins, the people who gave birth to United States are now on PAR economically with us with the Brit countries. You know, this is going to have wide ranging ramification. There's also kind of metaphysical value to this.
The UK is now considered a lame duck within the EU right. So, while they continue to have for the next two years or however long, it takes for this divorce to be effectuated, detail power on decisions having to do with National Security or Foreign Policy and so on. France and Germany particular are not going to pay attention to them. I mean the reason to what the heads of the council of the European council, the commission and the parliament were saying today, they basically can't wait to see the back of the UK.
LEMON: Yeah, I got to go, thank you very much.
When we come right back, Scotland, you've been trumped, while the mogul turn candidate praises Scott's or something they didn't actually do.
[21:40:51] LEMON: In Scotland today for the opening of his golf course Donald Trump is singing of praises of Brexit and promising America is next.
Let's discuss, Matt Lewis, the CNN contributor to The Daily Caller is here, a supporter of the Trump Supporter, he's also supporter of Kayleigh McEnany I'm sure we all are as well. All right, Clinton supporter, Bakari Sellers and CNN political commentator Bob Beckel.
Good to have you all on. On this Friday evening, Matt Lewis, I want to start with you because you are amazed that Donald Trump was in Scotland right when this momentous vote came in with camera's at the ready for his golf club course opening. MATT LEWIS, SENIOR CONTRIBUTOR DAILY CALLER: Yeah what a stroke a luck and I think this, you know, coincidence, luck, I don't know but it looked good. It got him on TV and he's got to win in his back now after a couple of really bad weeks. And I do think there's a connection here to what's happening internationally and what's happening with the Trump movement in America.
LEMON: Yes, and so timing is everything, right? The better to be lucky than good and timing is everything, and it was it an incredible timing for him as you know, it's been so many points in this election.
Yet his first lengthy comments were about his golf course and himself, I mean, how do you think voters will view this did they even notice?
LEWIS: No, they don't notice. They don't notice. And I think it's sort of a beacon to the cake and it is who Trump is. And what they know is that he was there and that he won. I mean, his side won. He declared victory and the mission accomplished sign essentially behind him.
LEWIS: So I don't think that matters. And all of the stuff that people say like well, he was in Scotland and technically the people of Scotland actually voted not to leave or to stay, and that doesn't matter, that's pundit talk. You know, the symbolism, he was there. It's a very good day for Donald Trump.
LEMON: Or you have to do is look at Bob Beckel's face, and you, I mean Bob, you don't even have to say anything, what?
BOB BECKEL, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I just said, Matt, when you, I know you don't use drugs, man, but I mean if they -- that a word that -- here's a guy that lands in Scotland and says it is great, you got to your country back, you know all that.
He was in the hot pot that people didn't want to leave the EU one two, the next votes unbelievable (inaudible), guess what, the town is crashing, it was a totally difficult day, $300 trillion there something that could be in lost and the pound is diving, and what does Trump to say, good for my golf course. Hope you'll be traveling over here.
BECKEL: I mean and, you know, I bet you two weeks ago won't know what Brexit was.
LEWIS: I don't think he did, he didn't, actually he didn't know what that (inaudible).
LEMON: But he said, I didn't know about it. He mentioned as he said that admit this much on CNBC, I mean you have to, that at least give him points for honesty. But listen, let's put up this tweet up since you mention it Bob, he said, "Just arrived in Scotland, place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back just like we will take America back. No games".
Well, I mean, Scotland voted over willingly to remain in the EU, I mean is it fact smacks, you know, Bakari?
BAKARI SELLERS, HILLARY CLINTON'S SUPPORTER: Well, no I think the people understand that Donald Trump was simply out of his depth. Then I actually love and appreciate Matt Lewis' commentary in most nights. I think he's a little off at tonight.
Donald Trump committed political malpractice today. I think that he was so far out of his depth, that he kept talking about the light house that was behind him, and people are going to coming to Florida, and many had realize in Scotland, I mean, it was embarrassing, I mean, he bumbled his way through at press conference.
And again, I mean, you have to go back to fact that, his own quote to "The New York Times" was in June, he didn't know anything about Brexit. On Wednesday he said he wasn't following it enough, so his opinion shouldn't matter. And now he is championing some victory where the stock market crashed by 600 points, people for and case are being pummeled.
I mean this is not a good place, this is chaos and this is the second straight global test that Donald Trump has failed. The first was Orlando, the next one was first was tonight.
LEMON: And Kayleigh McEnany is pulling a Bob Beckel, and you can tell exactly how she feels, because you think this is a great thing and you think it is going to help Trump rather than hurt him.
KAYLEIGN MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Absolutely this is a huge victory that cannot be overstated, frank one, did some polling before the Brexit vote happen and what he found is 60 to70 percent of people in the UK felt that failed by both parties.
[21:45:06] Both parties failed them. That is remarkably similar to what we are seeing here in the United States for the Bernie Sanders voters feel failed, by there party. The Trump supporter still failed by their party. There is an elite of what's Hillary Clinton is a part, a political class, she spent her whole life in politics essentially and they're being rejected. People want new leadership, they want leadership that puts America first, they gets jobs for their families. That is what we saw in the UK.
MCENANY: It's a worldwide trend, it's not just the United States trend. And this is a big deal. And Donald Trump will get to capitalize on this big chance.
BECKEL: Kayleigh, he will try -- he certainly will try to do that. But that to compare of these two elections, I mean did Trump into the British, look is the British have had a tough relations for the Europeans, going back 1,500 years, a lot of that counties never wanted to be in the EU, it's always been an undercurrent in British politics and they have been hit with a huge immigration and refugee problem in Europe. Not ...
MCENANY: It sounds similar Bob.
BECKEL: No, where, where is it?
MCENANY: To the United States, within United States.
BECKEL: If you look at polls -- yeah but you look at polls, ask them with personally have had some interaction with an illegal immigrant that's cost them something, and no one says it no.
But in London, they're got EU -- they bringing in three, 400,000 people in the last year. I mean in that, in a small country. So I guess the idea of analysts comparing the two of them, I will give you this, there is no question, there's a populous movement and immigration movement was an important part of this victory, no question.
MCENANY: Bob, the immigration ills that you were describing in Europe that is where Hillary Clinton wants to take us, she wants to ramp up the refugee program. So ramp with the FBI director only said that we can't vet these immigrants properly.
SELLERS: But that's ...
MCENANY: You had James Comey, the CIA directors.
SELLERS: ... but that absurd.
MCENANY: Saying ISIS is trying to invade the refugee program. These are facts. Hillary Clinton wants to increase it, despite not having the means to scrutinize with people, we don't want to become Europe.
MCENANY: We don't want to become Europe, we are the United States ...
SELLERS: But that, if I can, if I can Don, Bob, Kayleigh, if I can, I think that's absurd. I think that -- and I do think that Bob hit on something that was on point, that you can't compare the two. I mean, we have this populism that's rising, but what you saw, and actually it is good that America was able to see this that votes have consequences that when you make a vote, your vote, does matter, it does count and you have a lot of people waking up right now in the UK, that are like, oh my god, I can't believe what we did, I can't believed that we made our country, even that much more in a difficult position to fight terror.
I can't believe we put our economy up like we are gambling in Vegas, and that is what America's choice is in November. And I think that people have realized that Donald Trump is a gamble. We saw what, we saw what the UK did, they took a gamble. And they're starting to regret it even today.
MCENANY: No, there's no evidence of that.
LEMON: OK, let me get to this break do and I will let you guys respond. We're going to continue our conversation and we talk about this of shocked of Brexit, it' spread here at home. Which candidate will voters turn to, is it Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?
That's going when where we go with this conversation.
[21:51:48] LEMON: Back now with Matt Lewis, and Kayleigh McEnany, Bakari Sellers and Bob Beckel. Kayleigh, you want it to say?
MCENANY: Yes, I wanted to say the UK doesn't regret their vote, I mean there's no evidence in that, they just voted overwhelmingly to stay, and here is the thing, there is the mists that the United Kingdom ...
MCENANY: ... cannot it succeed on its own outside of being dependent on these other European countries, that's not the case, they're one of the largest economies in the world and that is the problem with the elite mentality that we cannot succeed unless we have a tenably of bureaucrats regulating our every move of the United Kingdom can succeed unless it has Brussels, telling is that, you know, they can't have hair dryer above a certain voltage.
It's a mists and that people are frustrated with the elite telling them what to do.
BAKARI: But that's not, that's not true. No, no, no, no ,no ,no stop, there got to stop for one second because the facts are that today after the pound fell to a 31-year low, that France supplanted or the UK as the fifth largest economy in the country, I mean in the world excuse me.
So we know that to be a fact, we know that they're going to struggle fighting terror, fighting in that, fighting alone outside of the European Union.
We know this is a fact, we know that they're going to have to compete for trade on a global scale with countries like China, that they can -- that it is going to be very, very to do, we know that they put themselves in a very tough situation today, and not only that, but we are in a tough is situation at home.
I'm surprised to hear you who, you know, who professes this love for the America first attitude that Donald Trump puts forward that a vote in Britain -- a vote in UK today actually puts America downward. I mean, our economy is flustering.
MCENANY: No, you cite temporary hardships that a thing of course, there is stock problems, there is uncertainly right now, of course they are going to be temporary economic hardships that the United Kingdom will be better off without Brussels telling them what to do without paying into the European Union and getting nothing out of it by not holding up bankrupt countries. They will succeed in the long run. They can't succeed they will.
LEMON: Bob, Bob Beckel.
BECKEL: Let me just say that a negative prediction here, the chaos that will on soon the next two months and trying to work to staying out and getting a new prime minister and the rest of it, everyday you're going to see the byproduct of this vote, that and I think plays strongly to Hillary Clinton's advantage because if you are in a situation like this. Can you imagine if those, whatever it was 38 million voters in England, you think, if you vote Donald Trump, and you want Donald Trump to be the president of the United States, I bet he could not get 10 percent.
LEWIS: You know what to Bob, and I think that this is -- first of all, Kayleigh was talking about something that is half amendment, we have talked about immigration, we've talked about elite's, we've talked about a lot of stuff, we even talked about the nationalism, that make America great.
You know the -- put America first, that's what England did and I think that the danger is ...
SELLERS: Oh, my god, man.
LEWIS: If you look, if look at that, they have put England first, they put Great Britain first, that is a trend and this is an international trend, away from the globalization, and -- but if look at what happened the polling, if, you know, the poll -- we're even were surprised by the polls, and I think that's the danger here if you are Hillary Clinton.
BECKEL: But Matt.
SELLERS: But Matt.
LEWIS: ... that Donald Trump could actually (inaudible) ...
BECKEL: Matt, Matt, Matt.
LEMON: I got 30 seconds. Bakari.
SELLERS: But hold on one second, when has European nationalism worked? I mean to actually say that ...
[21:55:00] SELLERS: No, no, no, no, I'm talking that is was it is its.
LEMON: One at a time.
SELLERS: And that was what it is. That's what it is.
LEWIS: That is fair wining out.
BECKEL: That there is that.
LEWIS: Donald Trump could over perform the polls and the polls could be wrong, because people don't want to admit this people are afraid.
LEMON: Bob, fast I've got five seconds.
BECKEL: Yeah, OK. I was going to say this, there's a difference between patriotism which I think was alive and well in Britain and Nationalism which is a very dangerous autocratic potential. If you look at your history in Europe potentially and you have a dictator.
LEMON: That was 10 seconds. Thank you. We'll be right back have a great weekend.
MCENANY: Thank you.
LEWIS: You too.
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