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Three Killed in Planned Parenthood Shooting; Possible Explosives in Colorado Shooter's Car; Planned Parenthood Across the Country Potential Target. Aired 9-10p ET

Aired November 27, 2015 - 21:00   ET

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[21:00:00] ANNOUNCER: This is CNN Breaking News.

MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening. I'm Miguel Marquez sitting in for Anderson. We are about to learn more about the deadly shooting and stand-off at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado.

Local officials expected to talk to reporters any moment now. We will bring that to you when it happens.

All of this began just before noon local time. It ended late this evening when the gunman surrendered.

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MAYOR JOHN SUTHERS, COLORADO SPRINGS, COLORADO: The perpetrator is in custody. The situation has been resolved. There is no continuing peril to the citizens of Colorado Springs.

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MARQUEZ: This came, though, after a long and bloody nightmare that has taken one local police officer's life and nearly -- wounded nearly a dozen others, police and civilians alike.

So far we neither know his name, nor his background nor an alleged motive. We do know that the clinic, which is now a massive crime scene has been the focus of near daily demonstrations by anti-abortion activists and that this is the latest in a string of attacks on clinics nationwide over the last several months.

We want to take you straight out to Colorado Springs, Colorado now where the latest press conference has begun.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE POLICE OFFICER: It's from the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs Police Department. The UCCS Police Department and the college will release information about the officer at a later time. We had four civilians transported to local hospitals with gunshot wounds. We have five officers transported to local hospitals with gunshot wounds. Nine individuals that were transported are in good condition at this time. Tomorrow, we will have a joint information center sent up from 6:00 a.m., 7:00 p.m. The telephone number for that joint information center will be 719-385-4362. I'm going to turn it over to Police Chief Peter Carey to make a statement.

PETER CAREY, POLICE CHIEF, COLORADO SPRINGS: I was able to spend a little bit of time at several of the hospitals with our injured officers and victims. All I can say is my heart's broken. This is a really, really tough situation for a lot of people in our community and the community at large. I just want to remind the presence of the investigation is going to be several days. Please show some patience. We'll get through this together. Thank you.

SUTHERS: I'm John Suthers, the mayor of Colorado Springs. And I just want to convey to the loved ones of the victims: this is a terrible, terrible tragedy that occurred here in Colorado Springs today. Obviously, we mourn the loss of the two civilian victims. We mourn the loss of a very brave police officer.

I just want to make sure that everybody knows that while this was a terrible, terrible tragedy, it could have been much worse if not for the actions of the first responders, particularly the police officers.

They were able to get the people out of the building safely and they were able to make sure --

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MARQUEZ: That is local officials briefing reporters in Colorado Springs, Colorado right now.

The headline sadly is that the death toll that we had understood was one police officer has now risen to three. Two civilians killed, one police officer dead in this six-hour rampage in Colorado Springs, Colorado that took police officers several hours to bring this individual into custody at a Planned Parenthood there.

I want to bring in CNN's Kyung Lah who has been covering this for us today.

Kyung, we have just heard them talk about the three individuals who are now dead. Nine others in the hospital they are saying. So a total of 12 victims in this thing.

What are you learning right now in your reporting.

KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That all of this really began on what was an ordinary Black Friday. It's what many people saw in their towns today. People out and about going to the grocery stores. Going to the doctor. Some seeing the eye doctor and Planned Parenthood was having a normal day until a man with a gun walked in.

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LAH (voice-over): The first calls came in at 11:38 local time, reports of a man with a gun from inside the Planned Parenthood building in Colorado Springs. Police quickly arrive on scene and are soon fired upon from inside the building. At least four officers are wounded.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We saw officers fly into the parking lot with their lights on and everything, and then we saw them pass our shop and go over behind the Chase Bank, which is next door, and then there were officers everywhere on the whole perimeter, and then we saw one of the officers that was behind the Chase Bank go -- we heard several gunshots, and then we saw one of the officers go down behind his car and then the other officer helped him to safety, and then --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: You saw -- Denise, Denise, you saw the officer go down? You saw an officer get shot?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, yes, it was terrifying.

[21:05:24] LAH: The area of the shooting which is heavily populated with shops and traffic quickly shuts down. Business owners and customers told to shelter in place.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are told to get back to our cars and that's when a bullet cracked over my head and hit the stop sign on my left side. And I just kind of flipped the switch and tried to do crowd control and get people back to their cars as fast as I could.

LAH: At this point, police do not know if this is a single shooter or if more are involved. Law enforcement set up a perimeter around the building. The FBI, ATF and bomb squads also on the scene. Those who are able to escape the Planned Parenthood building are quickly taken to safety.

But the gunman remains inside. And hours after the first call came in, the gunman is still firing on officers. Police are unsure how many civilians are wounded and how many remain inside the building. It has become a potential hostage situation.

LT. CATHERINE BUCKLEY, COLORADO SPRINGS POLICE: We have not transported everyone to the hospital at this point. We're still working through the situation.

LAH: Police are tracking the gunman's every move inside the building. They are not only concerned that there may be hostages, but also because of the possibility of explosive devices the gunman may have brought with him into the building before he began his assault.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is sitting in a chair right behind that counter with an AK. He's looking up the ceiling, white male, trench coat, looks like maybe a beard. He's looking around, but he's still sitting. He's got the gun at low ready position. He's walking down the hallway. Guns at his waist.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE POLICE OFFICER: Which way is he walking?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Directly toward the lobby. LAH: Finally, just before 5:00 p.m. local time, the suspect is cornered and surrenders to police. At least 11 are wounded. The shooter in custody. His ties to Planned Parenthood and his motives still unclear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE OFFICER: He's going to come out with his hands up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: We got to take him out if he has any IEDs of suspicion on him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: Are we in the way of the snipers?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: We have one suspect detained right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: OK, good job.

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MARQUEZ: Kyung, so many officers shot in this incident. How are they doing right now in the hospital?

LAH: We should update that that story that just -- that I just did, it didn't have that latest information from the press conference. We want to bring our viewers up-to-date.

A total of 12 people were hurt. Nine were transported to the hospital and, unfortunately, three people died, two of them were civilians and one, the police officer.

But as you mentioned, Miguel, there are four officers who are in the hospital. There was just a news conference with the fire chief at the hospital and he called the officers heroes. That they are alive. That they are in pain, some of them in some pain, but that they are heroes and that their spirits are quite high.

So despite the fact that this has been a terrible day for Colorado Springs, the police officers who are in the hospital, they look like they will recover.

Miguel?

MARQUEZ: It sounds like they are in pretty good shape.

Thank you very much Kyung Lah in Los Angeles. Thank you.

Now a little perspective from retired New York Police Jack Cambria, former head of NYPD's hostage negotiation team. Also, former FBI senior profiler Mary Ellen O'Toole, former secret service agent Dan Bongino, and former CIA officer Bob Baer.

Jack, right now, we don't have a lot of answers here. What pops into your head as the main questions that need to be looked at and answered?

JACK CAMBRIA, FORMER HEAD OF NYPD HOSTAGE NEGOTIATION TEAM: Well, in any type of active shooter scenario, it's usually ideal that the police when they respond, they get to get there as quickly as possible to resolve it. However, we don't know how much information the police had at this point. And generally speaking, in New York City, our protocols are in any type of hostage situation is to slow it down and not necessarily go through that door unless we know in fact it's an active shooter scenario.

So perhaps it wasn't going on at that moment when the police arrived, but finally, you know, once they establish that there is this active shooter, then the police did make the entry as witnessed as five police officers shot, one tragically was killed.

MARQUEZ: Seems a lot of officers who were injured going in. That aggressive operation?

CAMBRIA: Yes, the idea is to get in there quickly and get it resolved as quickly as possible to, you know, prevent any further loss of life or any further injury.

MARQUEZ: Dan, did it surprise you that this went on for so many hours? We still don't know what specific firearms or possible explosives the shooter had or how much ammunition, that certainly would be a factor in how long he could have kept police at bay, correct?

[21:10:00] DAN BONGINO, FORMER NYPD OFFICER: Yes, it did surprise me, especially, in light of the tragic attacks in Paris and the different approach we have now in law enforcement to these types of scenarios as your prior guests just stated.

Columbine, the Columbine shooting changed everything. The idea now is that time is not in your side. These people are looking to rack up body counts. This is really an awful situation. An active shooter scenario, where as in the past we used to look to slow it down, set up a perimeter and negotiate.

After Paris, Mumbai, the West Gate Mall, the idea now is to mitigate the problem as soon as possible, right to the problem to stop it. So, yes, it does surprise me this went on as long as it did, but it turned out in the end to be some good strategic decision making.

MARQUEZ: And Mary Ellen, the mindset of this individual. Someone who targets, presumably he did target this Planned Parenthood facility, someone who fires on police when they respond and the fact that the shooter was taken alive, does any of that surprise you?

MARY ELLEN O'TOOLE, AUTHOR, "DANGEROUS INSTINCTS": It absolutely does surprise. This guy invested a lot of time into, into this event today. He basically has thrown away his life. It will never go back to normal.

He let people go, walk out of the building. He was in a building surrounded by other, you know, shopping facilities and restaurants in the area. If he wanted maximum lethality, he could have gone actually to a quote, unquote "better site." And then after all of this, he surrenders. So there is so much inconsistency in that behavior. It really is very confusing at this point to be able to identify that motive. So, yes, a lot of his behavior for me is very surprising.

MARQUEZ: Bob, the fact that this guy had or may have had explosives, they saw him take items in, a couple of bags as well, how does that change the situation for authorities as they go into something like this? It could have really increased the amount of caution they have to take, yes?

BONGINO: Miguel, yes, I can really -- this is -- the fact he took in propane tanks and that's one report that's come out from the police in Colorado Springs tells me he was intending to possibly take that building down, because if you take a booster charge, wrap it around the propane tanks and ignite it, they could bring -- you know, it's very damaging.

I've seen terrorist groups use these. Question is, in fact, did he bring those devices in and what sort of initiated it? And that's something we're going to find out. But that is -- it tells me, he may have intended to take his own life and possibly change his mind.

MARQUEZ: Jack, what is your sense of it? What would police be doing on the scene right now? What clues would they be looking for?

CAMBRIA: Well, I think, first and foremost, what was the motivation of this individual? What was his purpose? Was he targeting, in fact, the Planned Parenthood facility? Was it a domestic incident where he was going to get some wife or girlfriend revenge? Was he a former employee there going after his supervisor that might have fired him?

Just plain and simple, an act of terrorism. So what was the motivation of this individual? Was he mentally ill? So there's so many things that the police have to now start looking at and figuring out the profile. Who this individual is.

MARQUEZ: And, Dan, on the ground there, what would they be looking for forensically?

BONGINO: Well, you're going to be looking for obviously shell casings, any type of evidence to put together -- you're going to have to reverse engineer basically this crime. You're going to have to go through this individual's contact network, financial contacts, phone contacts, computer contacts and e-mail history. Everything they can do to reverse engineer this crime.

And, primarily, one thing we still haven't discussed is the fact that no one knows for sure yet that this was in fact a lone wolf. We hope that's the case. We hope that the incident has in fact stopped with this one individual. That's probably likely, but we don't know that yet, either. So you want to make sure that this was just a singular act by a single individual and not in fact a network of people.

MARQUEZ: Bob, if he did take those canisters in in order to blow up that building as you said, they would be able to figure that pretty quickly, yes? BOB BAER, FORMER CIA OFFICER: Exactly. It depends on the initiator, if it's something like acetone and peroxide. They are highly unstable. And I'm just speculating here, of course. They may have to blow it in place rather than try to disarm this thing. It's very, very dangerous stuff. When people -- IEDs that are made like this, just improvised out of, you know, household items. So that's what the bomb squads are going to be looking out right now.

MARQUEZ: Mary Ellen, I'm trying to get into this guy's head. It's a very, very confusing picture as you've already said. But if he took equipment in order to possibly blow up that building, why do we have the results that we have? It just doesn't make any sense that he would come out alive in some ways?

O'TOOLE: No, it doesn't make any sense after putting in, investing that kind of effort that he would surrender. So at some point, he clearly decided to change his mind. So the question is, you know, what caused him to do that? Is he satisfied with what he's done? Or did he, you know, did he stop and realize there's nothing more that he can do?

[21:15:15] I think it would be very speculative to say at this point, but clearly to me, as a behavioral scientist, there has been a shift in his plans that took place here and it's a pretty seismic shift, and they really do need to understand why.

And I think once they go to his home and, you know, contact other people which is going to be incredibly important, they will get a lot more information because they really don't know the full extent of the damage. And I mean by that, the full extent of the homicides that this guy could have committed.

MARQUEZ: You know -- and Jack, do you think that they will have answers pretty quickly here?

CAMBRIA: It probably take a little time, but I think within a couple of days at least they should have some solid information, I believe.

MARQUEZ: And Dan, when they go at this individual, I take it they will look at everything from his computer forensics to everything he was doing in the days leading up to this as well.

BONGINO: And there's no question. They -- like I said before, they're going to reverse engineer this. And they're going to talk to anyone who has had any contact with this individual, family members, potential co-workers because right now motivation is important, too.

Now that we've established, well, at least up until this point, a semi-secure crime scene. I know we still have some explosive devices potentially on the scene, but now it's motive, motive that's important and determining again that this is just a single incident with a single person and not in fact any kind of a network out there.

MARQUEZ: You know, clearly -- clearly going to be a lot of people on alert throughout the country in the days ahead.

Jack Cambria, Mary Ellen O'Toole, Dan Bongino and Bob Baer, thank you all very much.

Next, a woman who didn't just simply hear gunshots, she heard the bullets whizzing by.

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[21:20:18] MARQUEZ: Now we've just gotten some late word that investigators may have found inside a car parked on the clinic, the car of the individual responsible of this, a law enforcement official tells us they believe it belongs to the suspect and are investigating it for the possibility that it may contain explosives.

Our Pamela Brown got the story and she joins us shortly.

First, joining us now by phone, witnesses Tessa Smart and Peggy Masias.

Tessa, I understand you work at the chiropractor's office quite close to this Planned Parenthood. Described for me, if you would, what happened.

TESSA SMART, WITNESS COLORADO SHOOTING (via telephone): I was sitting at my front desk in -- at our office. It is by the front door, of course. I was watching a patient that was standing by our front door, our whole front entrance is all glass, and I saw she was really looking into something and then I heard what I thought for a split second was maybe gunfire, but then I kind of quickly went into denial, especially since I was watching that patient and she never backed up.

But then as I continued to hear it, her face started to get a little concerned, a little confused. Then I got up just to check things out and before I even made it to the door, I heard a very district bullet go right by the door and hit something and that's when I ran back to my desk and grabbed a bunch of keys and just kind of fumbled at the door, trying to find one to lock. Never did.

Obviously, as I was doing that, I was seeing all the police commotion outside. Police running everywhere, ducking behind cars with guns. So I ran back to yell at the doctor and the -- I'm sorry, help to get the keys and came to the front and locked the door. I turned off the lights, hit the closed sign and ran to the back.

MARQUEZ: Amazing how quick you were in responding to all of that.

Ms. Masias, where were you when this thing started and what did you see and hear?

PEGGY MASIAS, WITNESS COLORADO SHOOTING (via telephone): I had gone to the grocery store and when I went in, I turned into the parking lot, there wasn't anything going on.

I was in my gym clothes so I hurried and picked up a couple things, went to self-check out, came out of the store and they had pulled the glass doors to where they were closed about two feet or three feet.

Someone, I heard someone say there was a shooting at Planned Parenthood and someone from King Soopers, a manager or assistant manager said I wouldn't hang around here. I would run to my car and get out of here.

So I ran to my car. Someone yelled get down, get down and then I heard some pop, pop, pop, pops. And then someone, I don't know if they were yelling at me or who they were yelling at said, get in your car, lock the door and get down. And so that's what I did and I continued to hear pop, pop, pops.

MARQUEZ: Ms. Smart, you have an office that is all windows in front. You were quick enough to grab keys, shut everything down, but were you able to even think at this time? What was going through your mind?

SMART: Honestly, for awhile, I was actually just in denial that it was gunshots until the one went flying by, or I would have acted a little bit sooner. But I kind of couldn't believe it. Never thought something would happen like that. You never think that's going to happen to you.

MARQUEZ: Ms. Masias, do you know this Planned Parenthood? Do you shop in this area quite often?

MASIAS: Yes, I just live down the street.

MARQUEZ: And do you see protests outside of it? Are you familiar with this area? How strange is it that your day started off going to the shop and you end up getting cover for your life?

MASIAS: Well, I go to this grocery store, you know, two or three times a week. I try to avoid if there's any kind of demonstration going on at Planned Parenthood, but I also have been into that Planned Parenthood. And I had seen that, I mean, it's very secure -- or in my opinion, it was very secure. I don't know.

MARQUEZ: Tessa, these officers who were on the scene, describe for us what looks like you said that they had shields and most -- they were marching in sync telling everybody to stay inside.

Did you feel that they were completely in control of the situation?

SMART: I felt safe. I don't really want to say they weren't in control, but for awhile, they did not know where he was. That part was really scary. We were yelled at one time by an officer to get away from the windows. There is a shooter. We have to get back.

The second officer came in and let us know that we need to stay away from the windows because there is a shooter. He is shooting in that direction, but they did not know where he was. So they were definitely doing an amazing job taking care of us, but it was scary there for awhile. We didn't have an idea as to where he was.

MARQUEZ: All right. Tessa Smart and Peggy Masias, thank you both for joining us. Have a very relaxing and safe weekend.

I want to go next to "Colorado Springs Gazette" reporter Eric Singer.

Eric, very, very tense situation over the last several hours. Describe the scene there that was going on as you were reporting it.

ERIC SINGER, REPORTER, COLORADO SPRINGS GAZETTE: Well, this was an active crime scene and continues to be an active crime scene, Miguel. Take a look behind you right now. As you can see, this is going to be stretching out blocks and this is what police officers and other law enforcement have to deal with right now to look for casings, to be able to understand the motivations of the shooter and also be able to make sure that no explosive devices were left behind.

As I understand it, CNN is now reporting that the vehicle of the shooter was found and there was some canisters found inside the vehicle. Obviously, this is still a very tense situation and a search for answers is really continuing.

Just a moment ago, I heard from one of your guests about the fact that living in this area and Planned Parenthood for a lot of folks, if you don't know, this is a very busy stretch of road.

This behind me, if you see, you might be able to see it. There is a big giant building. It's probably about three to four blocks behind me and there's a big white light there. That's actually around where the Planned Parenthood building is. And that's what officers have to deal with right now and that's how far we've been cordoned off because once again, there was law enforcement.

It looked like something you would see out of a scene, out in the Middle East when a bomb had exploded. But, in this case, it was an active shooter investigation where now we've learned more tragedy is ensued.

Miguel?

MARQUEZ: Eric, a very complicated start to all of this. Eyewitnesses have sort of said different things. The shooting began in the parking lot toward the cars outside and then he retreated into the Planned Parenthood.

Do you have a better sense of how this got started and unfolded?

SINGER: Well, I think your guests have been talking a little bit about it. And, you know, right now, it is that search for answers. I don't have it. I know that right now "The Gazette" newspaper staff and "TheGazette.com" staff, the power to print and the power online are right now trying to unfold and trying to put this all together.

But what I can tell you is according to our reporting, what we learned is behind me, once again where that big light is, about three to four blocks away, what had happened was a Colorado Springs police officer had first gotten here. It was an active shooter investigation. A University of Colorado at Colorado Springs or UCCS is the acronym, officer had arrived secondly and also tried to assist that other officer. And as we later learned, he was one of the officers killed.

MARQUEZ: Terrible.

Eric Singer, thank you very much. Next, we'll go to Pamela Brown, who's just gotten that new information about the suspect's car and concerns it may have explosives on board.

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[21:31:58] MARQUEZ: Now with the suspect now in custody in Colorado Springs in the long armed stand off over, we are just now getting new information from the scene at the Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs. Again, three people are dead. One police officer and two civilians.

Right now, virtually every state, local and federal law enforcement agency is either on location or will be soon.

CNN justice correspondent Pamela Brown joins us now.

Pam, what can you tell us about the suspect's car?

PAMELA BROWN, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Well, we're learning, Miguel, that bomb squads are there on the scene and they've located what they believe is the suspect's car. And at this stage, they are working on looking at possible explosives that are associated with the car, possible propane tanks.

We know that we heard from the public information officer there on the ground that the suspect possibly had propane tanks with him in the building and now we're learning that these bomb squads and these explosives detection K-9 teams are on the ground and looking at possible explosives in the suspect's car.

The car, by the way, we're told, the car they believe is associated with him is right there in the parking lot, right outside of that Planned Parenthood building.

Miguel, this is still a very active situation. It could be hours until they have everything contained and are able to say that this area is safe.

MARQUEZ: Well, clearly, they are making headway. We don't know this guy's name yet, but before long, we'll probably going to know everything about him. And from what I understand, law enforcement was actually tracking the gunman with a remote video feed from the building's security cameras. Is that correct?

BROWN: That's right. And that's how they were able to -- the S.W.A.T. teams are able to coordinate inside the building. They were looking at this security feeds from the cameras inside the building. And so they were able to track where the gunman was moving around. And if you listen to the communications, it appears he was moving around the hallways quite a bit.

In fact, at one point, they were talking about the fact the feed went out and they no longer had eyes on the gunman. You can imagine how frightening that was for these officers that were trying to track his movements and make sure that he didn't come into contact with any of the victims. At one point, according to the video footage that they were looking at, this remote video footage, he was very close to one of the victims and they talked about that in the communication. And they had to make some tough judgment calls at times on whether to take action against the gunman because of his close proximity to some of the victims.

Miguel?

MARQUEZ: Pamela, any indication that this Planned Parenthood was specifically targeted by this gunman.

BROWN: We don't have that indication yet. You can't ignore the fact that this is a facility that does provide abortion services. But it's really going to be up to the investigators if he is willing to talk, getting information from him to, you know, reveal what a motive was. Why he decided to go to that building and open fire. And also looking at his electronic social media that kind of thing to piece it together. But at this stage, we don't have a clear cut motive.

Miguel?

[21:35:00] MARQUEZ: Pamela Brown for us in Washington. Thank you very much.

And more now on the reason why so many people like the witnesses we spoke to earlier found themselves in harm's way.

Our Tom Foreman joins us now on that.

Tom, walk us through exactly where the shooting took place.

TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the shooting, this is actually the key question, Miguel, when you think about it. Where did it precisely take place? Because early on, they knew that it was generally in this part of Colorado Springs, but boy, that's a lot of people.

Authorities closed off this entire road here even though Planned Parenthood is way down here, because remember they said originally it was in the vicinity of Planned Parenthood.

If you add up all the houses over here, all the houses over here, you're going to get 750, maybe 800. Plus, you have shopping centers up here. You have shopping down here. A lot of commercial districts. A lot of traffic. That confusion added to the problem here.

Even when you started to narrow it down, it was confusing, because they knew there was some kind of gunfire happening over here at one point. But they also knew, as we heard all day today, people down here in this shopping center talked about bullets coming through here. People talked about seeing victims over here.

We now have some reason to believe that maybe some of these victims escaped over here by this bank, but it added to a sense of confusion here about what was happening. And then as they moved in closer, they still had problems because look, this is Planned Parenthood over here. This is the center of all the concern. But this is a large center that helps elderly citizens. This is a medical center over here. So there were scads of people nearby that also had to be accounted for and protected particularly if you're talking about some sort of an explosive device or suspected explosive device.

All of that, added up into a situation where even a couple of hours, three hours after this started, police were still saying, look, we don't really know if we have this guy contained. We're not really sure if there is only one gunman. We're not really sure what is happening here. It was that uncertainty and the fact that they were talking about somebody with what they believe to be a high-powered rifle and possible explosive devices, whether they knew about those at that point or not, we don't know. All of that is the reason they had to keep that whole area locked down for quite sometime even though now we can say it really was all about this building and the immediate environment.

Miguel?

MARQUEZ: Certainly watching it here, watching it there, there was a lot of confusion about how this thing was unfolding. A very large area for police to lockdown basically and it was that added element that there may be some kind of explosive here that added to the confusion.

FOREMAN: Absolutely. That added to it. And the fact as I want to go back to this main image here. Look at this, when you have people down here, a quarter mile away, talking about bullets whistling through the air, that is a cause for concern to say are they really coming from here or somewhere else?

Is there something that police officers are missing? They had to think about all of that in an active shooting situation.

Miguel?

MARQUEZ: Tom Foreman for us. Thank you very much.

Again, we don't know why the gunman opened fire at the Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs. What we do know is abortion providers have had a long history of being targeted by violence. The raw numbers ahead.

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[19:41:51] MARQUEZ: Now, the armed attack was still underway in Colorado Springs, when Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards tweeted this.

"The staff at Planned Parenthood Rocky Mountain provided care every day no matter what. Keep them in your thoughts and prayers."

As we've said, we still don't know the gunman's motives, but it's fair to say that Planned Parenthood across the country, every facility considers itself a potential target.

Brian Todd has been digging on that angle and he joins us now.

Brian?

BRIAN TOOD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Miguel, if this facility was targeted because of the services it offers, it is certainly not the first time for an abortion provider in the U.S.

This Planned Parenthood facility in Colorado Springs does perform abortions according to its Web site. Again, at this hour, we don't know if this was a targeting of that office because of the services it provides, if it was a domestic situation or if it was something else. They are going to ascertain the gunman's motives in a short time.

Now if it was a targeting of Planned Parenthood, it certainly would be the latest in a string of attacks on abortion-providing facilities or on doctors who work with them and these date back decades.

The last known one was this man Charles Tiller. That was in 2009. We're going to come back to him in a second.

There are, meanwhile, some disturbing numbers on some of these abortion clinics, targeting of abortion providers since 1977. According to the National Abortion Federation, there have been eight murders of abortion providers in the United States between 1977 and last year. 17 attempted murders the group says.

The federation says there had been 42 incidents where abortion providers had been targeted in bombings and 182 cases of arson directed at these facilities or the people providing abortions.

There have also been tens of thousands of cases of harassment, hate mail, harassing calls and bomb threats.

Now, again, we're going to go back to Charles Tiller. He was the most recent fatal attack before today. That was six and a half years ago. George Tiller shot and killed inside his church in Wichita, Kansas, May 31st 2009.

He was the director of a women's services clinic that performed late- term abortions. An anti-abortion extremist Scott Roeder convicted of Tiller's murder and is serving a life sentence.

In October 1998, this gentleman, Barnett Slepian, who worked at an abortion-providing clinic in Buffalo, New York was shot through the window of his kitchen with a high-powered rifle. And anti-abortion activist James Kopp was convicted of second-degree murder in that case and is now in prison.

There have also been bombings of abortion clinics in -- we'll have to stress bombings of abortion clinics. January 1998, an off-duty police officer working as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when that clinic was bombed.

Eric Rudolph, the man who bombed the Atlanta Olympic Park in 1996, he was convicted in the Birmingham clinic bombing. Rudolph also confessed to bombing an abortion clinic near Atlanta in January 1997. Tonight, Vicki Cowart, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountain said in a statement, "We don't yet know if Planned Parenthood was in fact the target of this attack. We share the concerns of many Americans that extremists are creating a poisonous environment that feeds domestic terrorism in this country. We will never back away from providing care in a safe, supportive -- environment that feeds domestic terrorism in this country -- excuse me - safe, supportive environment that millions of people rely on and trust."

She characterized these attacks as domestic terrorism. She did say Miguel that this facility did have strong security procedures. All of that will be subject of the investigation ahead.

[21:45:26] MARQUEZ: Possibly a jump for her to say that, but in the days ahead, we will certainly find out. And strong security, indeed.

Brian Todd, thank you very much.

Those security procedures needed as we reported in the facility in Colorado Springs had a safe room, where some people hid today during the shootout and stand off.

Back with us on the phone, former FBI senior profiler Mary Ellen O'Toole and joining the conversation, former FBI agent Danny Coulson.

Mary Ellen, I want to go to you, first.

When you look at the ideology that may have been involved in this situation, how does that change the way law enforcement would deal with it?

MARY ELLEN O'TOOLE, FORMER FBI SENIOR PROFILER: Well, I'm not sure that they've developed exactly what his ideology is. And to me, there is a conflict in what behavior that he exhibited and then how this whole thing concluded.

So if his ideology was to, you know, do maximum damage at the Planned Parenthood and to kill people and law enforcement, somewhere along the lines that commitment seemed to stop and he had almost a sign of change in his commitment to follow through with it, which is surprising to me, because in so many cases, we see that ideology carries them through all the way to suicide or suicide by cop. But we didn't see that in this situation. So the reason for that change in how this ended is going to be very, very critical.

MARQUEZ: It is a complicated picture.

Danny, your thoughts on ideology. And if that is motivating this person, how does that differ the threat for law enforcement, try to contain it?

DANNY COULSON, FORMER FBI AGENT: Well, he's going to be hyper motivated. I think the fact that they had a safe room here probably saved a lot of lives. The idea that they would protect their patients and their staff is commendable. And that activity actually kept several people alive.

With regard to him, he was highly motivated, I think, to scare people away. I'm not so sure. It was a total destruction because he -- and most active shooter situations, if you get people cornered, the murders kill them. They don't let them go. So it's a little different here.

I think it was more of a message like, stay away, stay away, stay away, or this may happen to you. I don't think his real purpose was mass murder. I could be wrong about that, but that's kind of the way it played out, especially since he decided to surrender, which tells you a lot about what his motive was.

MARQUEZ: Yes. Well, credit where credit is due. While this was all playing out, you actually said you believe this guy was going to give up. Why did you think that?

COULSON: I did. Well, for a lot of reasons. In the first place, these things are accompanied by high energy where adrenaline drives their movements and their thought and their motive. After awhile that adrenaline subsides and at that time they become extremely fatigued, not able to really have a lot of energy, but as the energy level comes down, rational thought comes in.

So a good negotiator can basically say, look, your day is not over. If you have a message, get it out. If you're in the grave, you can't talk. And I'm not so sure what technique those tactical people used, but clearly, it was the right one.

And, by the way, we should condemn them for their heroic action. They saved a lot of people's lives and should be commended for the way they handled that whole crisis situation.

MARQUEZ: Quite incredible given that we understand that they may have been yelling back and forth at this individual.

Mary Ellen O'Toole and Danny Coulson, thank you both very much.

Just ahead, I'll talk to reporter on the ground tonight in Colorado Springs, what he is seeing and hearing as investigators look for clues.

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[19:53:00] MARQUEZ: We've been learning more and more out of Colorado Springs all evening. The bottom line, though, sadly has not change.

Three people confirmed dead in the shooting at a Planned Parenthood facility there. One police officer and two civilians killed. The gunman in custody. His name and motives as yet, unknown.

Joining me now, Jesse Paul, a reporter for "The Denver Post."

Jesse, what's the latest your hearing about the condition of the other victims? JESSE PAUL, REPORTER, THE DENVER POST: We know that the five police officers and four civilians that were injured in this are in good condition. That came about 30 or 45 minutes ago from a police spokeswoman. We don't really know much beyond that. They went to two different hospitals in Colorado Springs that are just near the site.

MARQUEZ: And in terms of who the shooter is, what his -- where he is from, what are you hearing out there?

PAUL: We know pretty much nothing about him. We got a tip just before he was brought out and actually arrested that he was in custody and we saw him get taken out of an armored S.W.A.T. vehicle. He was put into another police cruiser and driven away.

The only thing I can tell you about who we believe this man is, because this is the only person we saw arrested on the scene, but that's not to confirm that this was the person. It was said he was dressed in a white T-shirt, looked like jeans, a middle-aged man but, you know, we couldn't see much.

As of right now, we don't know his identity. We don't know what this whole thing was about. Any kind of motive or anything like that.

MARQUEZ: The photographs that I have seen, he looked extremely calm. He was in a white T-shirt. He was wearing dark pants and maybe high- top tennis shoes perhaps. A white beard and sort of thinning on top and glasses, perhaps.

Did you get a better look at him? Did he seem as though he was agitated? Did you get any sense of him at all?

PAUL: You know, I didn't -- I couldn't really see that closely. Honestly, our photographer had a big lens and he was able to see closer. The one thing that I can tell you that the "Denver Post" has reported tonight is that, according to police and radio traffic, he told officers that first took him into custody that he was alone, that he was the only shooter. But beyond that, we don't know much, you know, really anything about this guy.

MARQUEZ: And as far as any devices the shooter left at the scene, is there any sense of what those are and could there still be a threat out there?

[21:55:10] PAUL: My understanding right now is that the threat has been neutralized. They did not say what the shooter actually brought into the Planned Parenthood building. We understood that it was something that was in some kind of duffle bags, some kind of bag. And there were initially some fears about maybe there being propane in them, maybe some kind of explosive device. But I think those -- that threat was neutralized because eventually they went in and pulled, you know, people out that were supposedly still left in there.

And I think you just saw a bus pass behind me. They are actually moving a lot of people that came through, that were stuck in the area, kind of locked down while this is going on. They are now just leaving after, I guess, six or seven hours. MARQUEZ: Jesse Paul of "The Denver Post," thank you very much.

Up next, more from Colorado Springs. We're bringing you all the details as we get them.

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MARQUEZ: We just now gotten the somber news directly from University of Colorado, the name of their fallen police officer, Garrett Swasey, 44 years old, fatally wounded at the Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs. The death toll now at three.

We have also gotten in some video believed to be the suspect being taken into custody. There he is. He in handcuffs being led through what that group of officers. We have yet to learn his name or his alleged motive or almost anything at all about him.

"The Denver Post" reporting that he told authorities he was acting alone. That does it for us for now. The CNN original series, "The 60s," starts right now.