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Impact Your World: Wrestling for a Better Future; Trump: "I Whine Until I Win"; Undocumented Immigrant Accused of Murder. Aired 8:30-9a ET

Aired August 11, 2015 - 08:30   ET

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[08:31:08] MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Here we go with the five things to know for your new day.

At number one, a state of emergency remains in effect in St. Louis County after protests marking one year since Michael Brown's shooting turned violent. At least 32 more arrests overnight after police say rocks and frozen water bottles were thrown at them.

Donald Trump speaks out right here on NEW DAY. He still won't rule out a third party run and says he'd be, quote, so good to women. Trump also called himself the most fabulous whiner and says he whines until he wins.

The FAA finally releasing a report that reveals air traffic controllers struggles with chronic fatigue. Many are calling it a major safety risk.

Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper declaring a state of emergency after officials say a chemical spill into the Animas River three times worse than originally estimated.

Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer of New York breaking down why he is rejecting the nuclear deal with Iran. He says the deal is too flawed and that the U.S. should go back to the bargaining table and broker a better one. He is expected to speak more on that issue today.

You can get more on the five things by visiting newdaycnn.com for more.

Chris.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Mic, the city of Baltimore only has a 56 percent graduation rate. And with nearly 24 percent of the population below the poverty line, the future seems bleak for many children. But there is an organization that's fighting to help kids climb up the ladder. That is this week's "Impact Your World." Take a look.

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CUOMO (voice-over): For Lydell Henry, director of Beat the Streets Baltimore, wrestling is much more than just a hobby. LYDELL HENRY, DIRECTOR, BEAT THE STREETS: I grew up in a Sandtown (ph)

Winchester community where the riots in Baltimore occurred. During the time where I could have been outside, you know, selling drugs, I was in wrestling. Wrestling teaches a person to overcome, to be mentally tough and to persevere. And that carries over to other areas in their life.

CUOMO: Beat the Streets mixes wrestling with STEM (ph) for kids with academic challenges.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is how a ship spilled oil all behind them.

HENRY: A STEM wrestling camp is a hook to engage students in STEM. The opportunities that minority students are not getting in STEM, it becomes very, very crucial for us to the get kid at a younger age engaged and involved.

CUOMO: Counselors teach kids that wrestling can build more than just physical strength.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I really like wrestling because it helped me become a man, definitely through hard work, through commitment, being a man of my word. And then once I was able to shift that to almost anything, I was able to be a bit more successful.

CUOMO: The kids don't need much convincing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to become better. I also want to like win state championship and do something big. And I'm just going to keep coming.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm not winning.

CUOMO: Are whiners winners?

TRUMP: And I am a whiner. And I'm a whiner and I keep whining and whining until I win. And I'm going to win for the country and I'm going to make our country great again.

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CUOMO: Just like your teach your kids, whine until you win. That's Donald Trump just moments ago on NEW DAY reacting to Rich Lowry, a columnist for "The New York Post," calling him the nation's most fabulous whiner. That, of course, in the aftermath of that question from the Fox moderator and how Donald took it.

CNN political commentator and Jeb Bush supporter Ana Navarro is here. As long as Jeffrey - as well as Jeffrey Lord. He's a CNN political commentator, former Reagan White House political director. Thank you both.

I would like to tick through different things that he said because, you know, in a state of - statement of self-interest, I do think he addressed things in a way that he hasn't before. So let's go through them and just get your take on each of them.

We'll start with the politics side of what happened with Megyn Kelly and the intrigue. Here's his explanation of what he meant versus how it was taken.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE (voice-over): Well, I didn't say I didn't mean them. I said what I said. And, frankly, I didn't even finish that sentence and people said, oh, he must have been thinking about this. It was a ridiculous interpretation. And most people agree with what I said. And, you know, I - I - what I said was very simple and I wanted to get onto the next thought. And, frankly, I don't even know how it could have been misconstrued unless somebody's a deviant.

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CUOMO: Good enough for you, Ana, and move on, or, no, he meant it and he's deflecting?

ANA NAVARRO, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: You know, Chris, I was thinking about this and it just seems to me we're all living in Donald Trump's bizarre world and enabling it and helping him. So he does this. Right now he's got a pattern of behavior where he says one outrageous thing, it began with Mexicans. I know - well, you know, he's offended Mexicans, he's offended P.O.W.s, he's offended people who take communion. He's gone after Megyn Kelly. And then we keep talking about his outrageous comments on TV. So, in the process, we've given the guy millions and millions and millions of earned media for the last two months, almost a 24/7 loop. And I think it works for him. It's getting him the exposure and those that like him double down and continue liking him no matter what he says.

[08:40:13] CUOMO: You know, Jeffrey, one of the interesting things here is that we were able to take how he feels about women. He didn't want to apologize, but he did get put in a position where he now had to say something affirmative about women. And he said, I'll take a look at equal pay for equal women (ph). I'm just worried. I don't want people paid the same thing without merit. But I believe in that and I do it in my own company. Will that resonate?

JEFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Sure. Sure it will. First of all, Chris, let me just say, I'm for Chris Cuomo for debate moderator. I - I - that was just truly a fabulous interview. And you got - you really, I think, everybody learned something here in listening to this. Yes, I mean, I - this - this is his - he is a very, very smart guy. And I think people under rate him at their peril. And he is open to having these discussions. We'll get to all the detailed policy things. One of the things that happens when you run for president, not to mention when you get nominated, is that there's an institutionalization of all of this. There will be, for example, a Republican platform. And I've helped to write those in the past. Those things are going to occur. His policy positions in some detail will be out there. So, you know, I think he's - he - he was completely on track this morning and I think we learn a lot.

CUOMO: Well, you know, it's interesting, in the past on reproductive rights, specifically abortion, he'd said, you know, I was pro-choice but I went pro-life after a friend of mine had a baby that wasn't supposed to make it and made it and not it's the greatest kid in the world.

LORD: Right.

CUOMO: There's more to the position he needs to articulate. We asked him about it and he actually answers. So take a listen.

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TRUMP: You have the three exceptions. I'm for the exceptions. And the health of the mother and the life of the mother, I absolutely am for the exception.

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CUOMO: Now it's interesting. Obviously, Ana, that's some - puts him now in the mainstream of the GOP. Rubio is an outlier saying I'm for life at conception and I protect it at all costs. He puts himself with the catch phrase right now of being Reagan-esque. That's what Reagan said. What do you think?

NAVARRO: Well, look, I think - I think that is the mainstream of the GOP and the mainstream of America. I frankly appreciate where Marco Rubio is coming from because I think instead of answering what's a poll tested answer, he answered from his heart and he answered what is a question that is formed and based on his religious beliefs. As I told you yesterday, Marco's a very strongly practicing catholic who (INAUDIBLE) his faith. I -

CUOMO: Ana, you know, I was thinking about that. I was thinking about what you said yesterday about that. You know, I too am a catholic. I mean, you know, you know, a lot of us grew up in the church. Here's the one thing, though, that we didn't get to yesterday I want you to answer. He's a catholic. He believes - or whatever his faith is, he holds it very strongly. That is not the faith of everybody in this country. And while you may be guided by your faith, your religion is not the rule for all in the secular society. So how do you marry, excuse the pun, your personal feelings with what is right for everybody else, Ana? Because that's your job as a leader, a leader for everyone, not just fellow Catholics or whatever his denomination is.

NAVARRO: Oh, I - I - look, I absolutely agree. And, you know, I too am a Catholic. Probably not a very good practicing one. I'm always afraid when I go to church that lightning will strike. But, you know, I think the way Marco does it is the way he's already done it. He, you know, he - he's got his personal beliefs, but then you saw him, for example, support legislation that had the exception. So I think that while you can have your personal beliefs, you can also be pragmatic in trying to get a result. And, you know, Chris, we've been seeing Democrats do it for decades, have their own personal beliefs. You know, the Bidens, the Kerrys -

CUOMO: Sure.

NAVARRO: The Kennedys certainly, very strong Catholics who have their personal beliefs on abortions and yet have been pragmatic on it. I don't think you'll see the same position from Marco. But what we saw that was when the actual legislation was posed in front of him, he did support legislation that has the exception because he thought it was a pragmatic solution to be able to get to the 20 week ban.

CUOMO: He did not play that answer that well, as you know, in the debate or thereafter in the interview. He kind of tried to distance himself from it. But I'll take your point, Ana.

One last thing for you, Jeffrey. He didn't want to go anywhere, Mr. Trump, on the specifics. He fought the notion that you need specifics. He said, I've got to be flexible. I've got to get in there and see what the situation is.

LORD: Right.

CUOMO: That is a very unorthodox way to appeal the voters who want some sense of concept. What he did do is define his style, which I thought was surprising to me. Whiner is almost always a pejorative. Nobody wants to be called that. He embraced it. Listen to what he said.

LORD: Right.

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CUOMO: Are whiners winners?

TRUMP: And I am a whiner. And I'm a whiner and I keep whining and whining until I win. And I'm going to win for the country and I'm going to make our country great again.

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[08:45:03] CUOMO: Explain how that will be an effective operative tool with world leaders and congressional ones alike.

LORD: It means pay attention to him or he's going to keep coming back and back and back and back and back until he drives them crazy. You know, look, this guy has built this mammoth global empire here. He must have some idea of what he's doing or it wouldn't exist. And, you know, I mean he picked up on Rich's, you know, characterization of this. But, you know, whether you want to call it whining or whether you want to call it persistence or, you know, stick-to-itiveness or what have you, what we're saying here is, what he's saying clearly is, I keep after it until I win. And I think American's admire that. CUOMO: And I'm not sure if he just missed an opportunity or took an

opportunity to grow as a candidate, but he did not say that Rich Lowry is a loser or a dope even though he commented on it this morning.

Jeffrey, Ana, thank you very much. We're going to cut this one here --

NAVARRO: Chris, Donald Trump is a New Yorker. And man, you all can whine like the best of them.

CUOMO: No. That's not true. I take a lot of offense at that, Ana. A lot of offense. All right. I love you both. Take care. Thank you for being here.

LORD: Thanks, Chris.

CUOMO: Ana, over to you.

ANA CABRERA, CNN ANCHOR: All right. Well the nation's immigration policies are again under the microscope following the death of yet another person allegedly killed by an undocumented immigrant with a rap sheet. How was he able to stay in the U.S.? We're talking with our security analyst to get answers.

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[08:50:00] CABRERA: Welcome back to NEW DAY. The murder of another California woman is putting renewed scrutiny on the nation's immigration policies. Two men, including an undocumented immigrant with a criminal past, are accused of sexual assaulting and ultimately killing 64-year-old Marilyn Pharis in her home in Santa Maria, California. One of the men arrested, Victor Aureliano Martinez, is in the country illegally and he has been arrested four times prior in the last six years. That includes just a couple of weeks before the attack. So why was he able to stay in the U.S. despite his criminal record?

Joining us to discuss, Juliette Kayyem, CNN's national security analyst and former assistant secretary for the Department of Homeland Security. She wrote a piece about this that will be published on CNN.com on this very issue.

Juliette, first of all, I just want to make sure we clarify that Santa Maria, where this latest crime happened, it's not technically a sanctuary city, although the police chief there has blamed some of the local and federal laws and government on what happened. And I want to take a quick listen to what he had to say.

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RALPH MARTIN, CHIEF, SANTA MARIA POLICE DEPARTMENT: I think it starts in Washington, D.C. with this administration that we see and their policies. And I am not remiss to say that from Washington, D.C. to Sacramento, there's a blood trail into the bedroom of Marilyn Pharis.

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CABRERA: So, Juliette, help us understand. How do you explain what happened? Who or what is to blame?

JULIETTE KAYYEM, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: I think there's a lot of blame to go around on the local, state and federal side. What happened here in this tragedy was two dysfunctional systems merged. One was the criminal justice system, which cannot seem to process enough people in enough time and detain enough people. And then, of course, is the immigration detention system, which is also equally overburdened. And so it just seemed like he kept getting arrested and then was or wasn't detained at various points by immigration officials.

The exact truth of who's to blame may not be known right now. But you're going to get these things happening over time until we begin to prioritize both the detention of those who are bad undocumented immigrants, but also give localities and states the ability to work with immigrant communities without detaining everyone. There's two important policies at stake here. Unfortunately, both sort of fell apart in this tragedy.

CABRERA: What really gets you is that this is not the first time something like this has happened. This is the third report of somebody who has murdered a person in the U.S. and that suspect was here illegally. And this is just in the past month or so since July 1st. You'll remember Kate Steinle's death in San Francisco really parked the conversation. I know that -- You have said that while sanctuary city policies maybe need to be revisited, there is some benefit or it could be a good tool for law enforcement. Explain.

KAYYEM: That's exactly the point. Look, sanctuary cities, now everyone's sort of against them or defending them. What animated sanctuary cities is important to remember that local and state law enforcement needed to work with immigrant communities because often they are the victims of crime, spousal abuse, unscrupulous employers, others, so that there was cooperation between these communities, some of them undocumented, and local and state law enforcement. That's an important policy to maintain.

So what you're starting to see out of the Department of Homeland Security and Secretary Jeh Johnson is sort of a promise to state and localities that, look, we're not going to detain everyone in your communities. We just want the worst of the worst, those who are drug felons, violent offenders, bring them forward and we will automatically detain them at our cost.

I hate to be based about this, but a lot of this fight has less to do with ideology and a lot to do with money. States and localities simply do not have the resources to detain every undocumented immigrant and so, you know, kudos to the department for at least saying, look, we'll take hold of the very bad guys and put them on our own, you know, (INAUDIBLE) and detain them. And that's what's going to have to happen because we have to respect state and localities and immigrant communities and their need to protect their own safety and security.

CABRERA: Seems like there are some bureaucratic fallacies, at the very least, that are creating these loopholes for bad guys to get away. Thank you so much, Juliette Kayyem, for offering your insight on all this. We really appreciate that.

Chris, over to you.

[08:54:34] CUOMO: Ana, have you heard of the angel of air- conditioning? No? Well, you and many others are going to meet her coming up in "The Good Stuff." Please watch this one.

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CUOMO: Time for "The Good Stuff." You hear it every summer. Scary hot temperatures, dangerous for the poor and for the elderly. One woman was hearing it and she said, you know what, I'm going to do something about it.

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NIKKI GREEN, GETS AIR CONDITIONERS FOR PEOPLE IN NEED: I just thought about older people that are in their homes and they don't have anybody to check on them or family. It just scared me.

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CUOMO: Not a celebrity. It's not her job. She's not super rich. Her name is Nikki Green. She's from Dallas. It's been in triple digits. You've been seeing that everywhere. She started a GoFundMe page.

CABRERA: What a good idea.

CUOMO: She wanted to put air conditioners in people's homes. Her employer matched her donations. Very nice corporate citizenship right there. Guess what? 30 air-conditioners so far.

PEREIRA: Oh my goodness.

CUOMO: And climbing. More coming out all the time. So it's not just about comfort. It's about life and death for a lot of people.

CABRERA: Well, and those simple solutions can really make a big difference.

PEREIRA: And a GoFundMe page. Everybody can help. A little bit of cash -

CABRERA: What a good idea.

PEREIRA: -- $5 donation from you can make all the difference, right?

CUOMO: Ordinary person doing something extraordinary for others. That is "The Good Stuff." Thank you, Nikki.

PEREIRA: What a day. Donald Trump, "The Good Stuff." You've been so busy.

CABRERA: Ending on a high note.

PEREIRA: Absolutely. Well, let's turn it over to Carol Costello. She's back for "NEWSROOM." Good to have you with us.

CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: You're right, Michaela. What a day. I agree totally. Well, you have a great rest of the day. "NEWSROOM" starts now.