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Why Are Some Still Defending Bill Cosby?; Donald Trump Doubles Down; A Cheating Girlfriend Gets A Surprise From Her Angry Boyfriend. Aired 9- 10:00p ET.

Aired July 21, 2015 - 21:00   ET

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(21:00:14) DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, Bill Cosby, his drugs, cheating exposed, yet he is still embraced by the public and his wife.

Plus Donald Trump doubles down. The Billionaire candidate goes off on a name-calling rampage.

But we start it all off right now with the top of the feed. A thousand pages of graphic detail about sex, drugs, cheating. Some people

still defending Bill Cosby. Watch this.

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VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: I think he felt like these women want me anyway, so if we dabble in drugs or dabble in alcohol or

dabble in whatever, I do not think he even thought this was remotely close to rape, at all.

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MICHAEL CATHERWOOD, CO-HOST OF "LOVE LINE" AND KABC RADIO: it does not seem like he really is -- even in the same ballpark as rape. Like he

feels like he is just doing what Bill Cosby does.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I do not think Bill Cosby did it. I think that it was consent.

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DONDRE WHITFIELD, ACTOR, "THE COSBY SHOW": You During those times, you know, people were using some drugs in some strange ways for some very

strange.

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LISA BLOOM, TRIAL ATTORNEY: He gave her a pill. He said for menstrual cramps.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: No.

BLOOM: She wakes up in a hotel room --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: She took the pill!

BLOOM: -- having been raped, she alleged.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: She is an adult. If somebody give me a pill, I am not taking it.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: No, I do not think it is rape. I think they willfully went to the hotel room

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: There will still be gold diggers and opportunists. I mean we have start stop taking away -- I mean women, we

are very smart and we know what we are doing. We know sometimes we use what we have to get what we wan

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Leave Bill Cosby alone. That is all I have to say. Leave Bill Cosby alone.

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BLOOM: Can we stop giving Bill Cosby the benefit of the doubt?

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PINSKY: Joining me, Samantha Schacher, host of "Pop Trigger" on Hulu.com; Areva Martin, attorney and legal consultant; Mike Catherwood,

"Love Line" and KABC Radio Co-host with myself. He is also the host of "Chain Reaction on GSN. And back in our audience, Lisa Bloom, trial

attorney at the Bloom Firm and legal analyst for Avvo.com.

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So, what is going on Areva? There is so many people are bashing women that may well be victims and defending Bill Cosby in the face of all

these new evidence?

AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY AND LEGAL CONSULTANT: This man has an incredible legacy. And, I think we are seeing this despite all of this

evidence, thousand pages of deposition where he is so cavalierly talking about having sex with five different women, cheating on his wife --

PINSKY: Taking Quaaludes.

MARTIN: Taking Quaaludes, using prescription drugs to give to women or getting them for the purposes of giving them to women and people keeps

talking about how wonderful Bill Cosby is.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER" ON HULU.COM: Yes.

PINSKY: Well, but not just wonderful, Sam, but how women are --

SCHACHER: Are blaming the victims?

PINSKY: Well, not just blaming the victims. I know Lisa has strong feelings about this. But it is more sort of women bashing like, "Hey, man.

We know what we are doing as women, and we have some personal responsibility to bear here. Because if we go into a hotel room with some

celebrity, we know what that means. That means we are going to be raped."

SCHACHER: Yes. First of all, it is not all women. It is not all women, because a lot of women are supporting these 40-plus victims out

there. I cannot wrap my head around the fact how people can still support Bill Cosby. Yes, we all once loved and admired him. I did, too. I

watched rerun after rerun, but after 40 plus women are giving the same story --

MICHAEL CATHERWOOD, HOST OF "CHAIN REACTION ON GSN: Rerun was on what is happening.

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SCHACHER: Quick. Quick.

CATHERWOOD: Thank you. That is all.

SCHACHER: But after all of these women are giving the same testimony who did not know one another, and they were also given a pill and then we

find out that he admits to these prescription of Quaaludes, how can people not connect the dots?

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PINSKY: That is it.

MARTIN: But I think it is important that we talk about the fact that these -- I think these women are in the minority.

SCHACHER: Yes.

MARTIN: We see them on your program. We see them on, you know, some shows, but far in -- Most women are saying it was reprehensible conduct.

He should be punished criminally. He should be sued civilly and everything about him. T.V-wise, money-making-wise should be cut off.

PINSKY: Mike.

CATHERWOOD: I think Areva and Sam are right that if minority of women but -- it is a very vocal minority. I think it is all they about

leave Bill Cosby alone.

SCHACHER: Me too.

PINSKY: And, Lisa, it is a surprising. I know you were doing battle with them right here yesterday. Does it surprise you?

LISA BLOOM, TRIAL ATTORNEY AT BLOOM FIRM: Yes. It does given the huge amount of evidence, but denial is what I am up against in all my case.

And, by the way, I am doing my part on the civil litigation side, because we have sued him.

But, you know, this what is you are up against. People do not want to believe it is real. They want to believe in the mythology of Bill

Cosby, that he was our dad, that he is the Cliff Huxtable that we all saw, but then he is an actor.

PINSKY: But Lisa, that I can be sympathetic to people confusing the actor and the character and that the man and the actor, that sort of thing.

But, several women stood right next to you there and said, "Oh no! Women, they need to be held accountable. Women are up to something."

CATHERWOOD: There is also an idea that this is some type of witch- hunt.

MARTIN: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: As if it is not, you know, a movement by women who truly have been affected, that there is some larger conspiracy to bring a guy

down.

PINSKY: Let me bring in on the phone. I got Horace Cooper. He is from Project 2, the national leadership network of black conservatives.

And, what I want to ask you is, I think you have an issue with not that this happened or not about his guilt or innocence, but the fact that the

law was applied to him in a -- what shall we say, injudicious manner given his celebrity status and his moralizing? Is that a reasonable way to say

it?

[21:05:06] HORACE COOPER, CO-CHAIR OF PROJECT 21, THE NATIONAL LEADERSHIP NETWORK OF BLACK CONSERVATIVES: Well, that is exactly what the

judge, who issued the opinion said was a contributing factor to the decision. That he was able to review the materials, and he saw a side of

Bill Cosby that contradicted what he called the public moralizing role.

PINSKY: BUT thereby his deal that he had made was somehow undone. So in much like, Areva, it reminds you of the Ashley Madison situation. These

people like -- I would love to have these people exposed; but you know what? They have a right to privacy and they made a deal with the website

to keep these things private.

MARTIN: Well, I think we should be clear about what the judge said when he released excerpts from that lawsuit. What he said was that Bill

Cosby stepped into the public domain beyond being a comedian and entertainer when he became this moralist and when he went into churches and

community halls and, you know, used his platform to address issues like education and child rearing and parenting.

And, so he was no longer this private figure. But let me say this, Dr. Drew, about these women. You know, I have represented women in similar

lawsuits. And, often women become -- you know, they get the blame when they stand up to men like Bill Cosby --

PINSKY: Yes.

MARTIN: That is an unfortunate thing. But, I think the more programs like this, the more we talk about it --

SCHACHER: Yes.

MARTIN: -- people will start to realize the women are not gold diggers. They are trying to get some form of justice, because they have

been victimized. And, I think that is important to keep talking about the victims, the victims, the victims.

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SCHACHER: And, here is the thing about --

COOPER: Well, I want to interject for a second. I want to interject for a second.

PINSKY: Go ahead, real quick. Horace?

COOPER: The standard is not whether Bill Cosby is public or private. The real question is under what circumstances legally were they allowed to

unseal those documents and his public status or his private status was not actually a factor.

And if the judge said, "I am doing it because of that," that would have been procedural error that could have gotten the decision overturned.

So, like or not like his public status versus his private status, but that is not the appropriate standard for review.

BLOOM: Well, it actually is the standard, because our court records in the U.S. are presumptively open. We do not have secret courts. We do

not have things hidden. It is very unusual that something would be under seal. And when someone is a public figure, they lose the right, and that

is why it was all revealed. And, by the way, 47 women call him a rapist.

SCHACHER: Yes.

BLOOM: I do not think rapists should have a right of privacy.

SCHACHER: Yes. Absolutely.

COOPER: Wow.

SCHACHER: Hold on.

COOPER: Now, that is dangerous. That is very dangerous.

BLOOM: I will tell you why, because that secrecy allow them to continue --

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COOPER: If there were only three accusers then you get your right, but if there are 50 accusers, you lose your rights? So, that anytime, any

litigation is occurring, we just ramp up accusers --

BLOOM: I did not say anytime.

COOPER: -- and that would determine whether you get your rights? Very dangerous. Very dangerous.

PINSKY: Horace, a question from the audience. Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: No. I just do not agree with it. It was a long time ago. I heard a lot of these women took cash from him.

PINSKY: See. Here it is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I feel like they -- I mean I am not just going to take some pill like and just go to some celebrity`s house.

CATHERWOOD: But he has admitted himself that he had these weird like roofie caddies that he would bring in and slip pills in women`s drink

without them knowing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: So, what took them so long to come forward?

SCHACHER: Oftentimes -- oftentimes because of the victim blaming and because of the stigma, it takes women victims, men too, sexual assault,

rape, whatever those victims are --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: 15 years?

SCHACHER: Yes, it could take forever. They could go to the grave with that because they are afraid of being blamed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I think they just jumped on the bandwagon.

SCHACHER: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: They just want some money. That is all.

SCHACHER: Really? Why? OK --

CATHERWOOD: They are not standing to get any money now. All they have gained the courage of having the numbers behind them, because finally

one, two, maybe three women had the courage to come forward. Now, they unseal these documents. And, now, they say, "Hey, maybe I can actually

come forward without being publicly ostracized or abused by a lot of the people we are hearing from, right now."

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PINSKY: And to sort of -- hang on. To put it in historical context too, some of these women did step forward at the time. And, because of the

way we treated women 20, 30, 40 years ago, they literally were told to shut up by their bosses and people they spoke to.

And, they were threatened with losing their job. They were told these was an important man for their employer, in that case -- well, the

case I am thinking of was the "Playboy Club." She was told to shut her mouth.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: There is a lot going on. And, by the way, it must have been confusing. Maybe something did not happen. He is such a great guy. And,

he is Mr. Huxtable -- Dr. Huxtabel. It got to be very confusing for them at the time.

MARTIN: And, you should know that a lot of these women even went to the police. They went to the prosecuting attorney. They filed complaints

and their complaints were not acted upon. So, these are not women that just sat on their rights. These are women that took action, but the system

shut them down.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I just feel bad for him.

SCHACHER: Hold on. Why do you feel bad for him? Because a serial rapist aside, let us even take away that allegation.

PINSKY: Listen.

SCHACHER: This is a really crappy person. Did you hear him in his deposition casually talking about all of the extramarital affairs that he

has had? This is not a good guy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I am not judging his morality like, yes, he can be a crappy person. I just think this was just so long ago.

SCHACHER: I feel bad for the victims. I feel bad for the victims.

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CATHERWOOD: Do you understand he did not have --

[21:10:00] PINSKY: Guys, I got to go to break. I may have to go to the camera here and just speak directly to you guys. We will continue

this. You stay right there. No, no, do not move. Do not move. Hold your thoughts. Later on, Donald Trump`s rampage continues. He is taking heat

for revealing that a fellow candidate -- actually giving out a fellow candidate`s cell phone number live to the world. We are back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Bill Cosby describes in graphic detail extensive sexual relationships with women outside of his marriage. Cosby

claims it was consensual.

"I do not hear her say anything, and I do not feel her say anything. And, so, I continue and I go into the area that is somewhere between

permission and rejection. I am not stopped."

Cosby says he had sexual fun with women and steered away from intercourse to prevent women from falling in love with him.

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WHITFIELD: We have no idea whether there were any arrangements with some of these women. We understand that he cheated on his wife, but that

is between him and Camille.

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[21:15:05] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Cosby admits to sending secret moneys to some of his accusers to keep decade of infidelity hidden.

"And, the reason you were doing? Who were you preventing from knowing that?" "Mrs. Cosby."

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PINSKY: And, Mr. Cosby was keeping secrets from his wife, but he was also -- but was she also duplicitous in hiding this bad behavior. Back

with Sam, Areva, Mike, Lisa. I want to show you, guys, some footage of Judd Apatow. He took his criticism of Cosby to Tonight Show on NBC. Take

a look.

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JUDD APATOW, AMERICAN PRODUCER, DIRECTOR, ACTOR AND COMEDIAN: Is that weird he is doing stand up? What do you think his act is like? Do

you think he is still talking about it? Do you think he like -- he says like, "You ever been in trouble with the wife?"

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"She said to me, what is this in the paper about the raping and the drugging and the women?" And I said, "Do you like your life? Do you like

the house, the jet? Well then, have a cappuccino and shut the froik up." Thank you.

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PINSKY: It is a little grotesque when he says it like that, but do either of you, the women here are concerned that, that is what is going on

her, that she has too much secondary gain for her or that she has been aware all the time?

SCHACHER: You know, I do not know -- we do not know what has gone on behind closed doors between Bill Cosby and Camille. I mean she very much

could be fearful. Maybe she is a victim in all these. What I hope is I hope that she does not feel some sort of loyalty to the marriage, because

guess what? Her never once thought about her during all of those affairs. He never once thought about her when he raped women.

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CATHERWOOD: Well, he did say that he was afraid to have penetrative sex with these young women --

PINSKY: So, they would not fall in love.

CATHERWOOD: -- He has clearly been giving --

MARTIN: Oh, he is such a nice guy.

CATHERWOOD: -- he has been given the D to Camille, and that is why she is so brainwashed because she is addicted to that --

PINSKY: I see. I see. She is so in love.

CATHERWOOD: Yes. She is so unbelievably in love.

MARTIN: He is so kind. He wants to spare his wife, so he did not have penetration with these women. But, we all know that emotionally that

is just as important as the physical act of having sex.

PINSKY: But, Areva --

MARTIN: He is having sex.

PINSKY: Areva, I will tell you that it just occurs to me that when you hear him say -- at least, you back me up on this. When you hear him

say, "Oh, yeah, I have got these sensibilities. And, you know, women, they have these emotional reactions when you have penetrative sex. So, I

avoided that if they were awake."

SCHACHER: Thank you.

BLOOM: Yes.

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PINSKY: You know what I mean? It is a really easy little jump and it is a crazy little mindset to be thinking that way and then go, "Oh, I

can save them some pain by just putting -- they can be asleep and not really know anything about it." Lisa.

BLOOM: Yes. I agree. And, that is the theory that popped into my mind immediately is why he would only have intercourse when they were

unconscious perhaps or probably just because he has a sexual compulsion.

You know, I do not go after Camille, I do not go after Whoopi Goldberg, I do not even go after his team. I keep my eye on the ball. The

focus is Bill Cosby. And, Camille, I do not know what her life is like. I do not know what is her point?

PINSKY: Well, they say -- "People" Magazine -

BLOOM: I am not judging her. I am not blaming her.

PINSKY: "People" Magazine says, quote, "Little has changed in the Cosby marriage since the documents were revealed".

MARTIN: I disagree with Lisa about the team. I do not go after Camille as much, because I think like you, Sam, she is probably emotionally

abused by this man. We see his attitudes, but I go after that team.

SCHACHER: Yes.

MARTIN: The team that was funneling money. The team that was bringing those young women into his office --

PINSKY: Yes. I agree.

MARTIN: -- into his home, into his hotel suite, who were covering up those bad acts.

PINSKY: Co-conspirators are they?

SCHACHER: Yes.

MARTIN: So, to be objected guilty. They are just as complicit as he was and I think that is -- I think we need to call them out.

BLOOM: Well, I hear you. Listen, we had a difficult decision to make in the case that we filed against Bill Cosby. Do we go after the lawyers

who bad mouthed my client Janice Dickinson for example. And, we decided, "No. We are keeping our eye on the ball."

Bill Cosby is the perpetrator here. I do not know if people knew that he was a rapist. They may have known that he was having extramarital

affairs, that may have made people off.

MARTIN: But, wait. When you are a defendant in a lawsuit is very different.

BLOOMS: Well, but that is what we are talking about.

MARTIN: Well, not necessarily. We are talking about bigger issues here. We are talking about societal issues. It is not just who gets named

as a defendant in a law suit, because that is a different standard. That is a legal standard. We are talking about breaking this code of silence

for men and women that protect predators like Bill Cosby.

PINSKY: Yes. I agree. And, again, focus in on that culture in this country that was so sick out of the sexual revolution. I mean, CNN is

playing that series about "The 70s." Take a good look at that. You will see what we did to women in the name of sexual revolution. Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I just wanted to say that I understand why this is so tough to reconcile. You know, I grew up watching "The

Cosby Show" in Costa Rica Where I am from. And, I thought that was the American dream, you know?

PINSKY: Did you have -- I had a guy stand here a couple days ago had this incredible affection for Bill Cosby. He had real affection for him.

It is so hard for him, because he identified with the character at least with such profound respect and affection. It changed his life." Did it

changed yours?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: In a way. You know, I grew up -- I was raised by a single mother. So, I thought, you know, this is what life is

supposed to be like. You know, you have your mom and your dad and they are professionals. And, you know, you have this great happy family and there

is so much to learn.

[21:20:00] PINSKY: It gave you a good feeling to watch the show. One of the show`s actors -- one of the Cosby Show actors, Joseph C.

Phillips, says it was well-known that he was screwing around. But he, himself, never thought Cosby was a rapist. Have a listen.

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JOSEPH C. PHILIPPS, "THE COSBY SHOW" CO-STAR: I think like a lot of people I was really giving Bill the benefit of the doubt. This was not the

man that I knew. This is not the man that I worked with. He may have had other faults, but he certainly was not drugging people and raping them.

And, then I had a conversation with an old friend.

She sat in my car, crying, telling me her story. All of the details. And, at that moment, something changed for me. She turned to me and she

said, she wiped her face and she said, "Do you believe me?" And I said, "Yes. I believe you." And, that was the change. And, I had to look with

sober eyes at what was going on.

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PINSKY: Everybody, live up to your marital vows. Do not cheat. Do not take substances and have sex with people. This is -- Listen. That was

-- that is all that nonsense, all that crap started 30, 40 years ago. Let us undo that. Let us be healthy. Let us live a certain kind of life.

We have all wanted -- in this country, people are pursuing the good life. How about a good life? A good life is raising a family, staying

together, loving the people that you make commitments to. Do not get into this nonsense.

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Next up, Donald Trump mocks a fellow candidate, publicity exposed -- and then publicly exposes a senator`s cell phone number. We are back after

this.

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[21:35:36] DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There is a silent majority out there. We are tired of being pushed around, kicked around and

acting and being led by stupid people. They are stupid people.

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TRUMP: You know, I have many millions between Facebook and Twitter. It is great. It is like owning a newspaper without the losses. It is

incredible. Incredible.

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TRUMP: I am giving up millions of dollars. I had Macy`s terminated a deal because, "Oh, Don, you are a little controversial. You are talking

about illegal immigration." I said, "It is illegal."

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TRUMP: I will build a military that is so strong that we will never have to use it because they are going say, "We are not messing with that

guy. This guy, Lindsey Graham could be a jackass this morning." And, I said to myself, "You know, it is amazing. He does not seem like a very

bright guy. What a stiff. What a stiff. Lindsey graham."

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PINSKY: Yesterday, it was John McCain, Tonight, he ripped into another colleague. Trump told a crowd that four years ago, Senator Lindsey

Graham begged him for a reference to become a television talking head. Take a look.

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TRUMP: So, I say OK. And, I will mention your name. He said, "Could you mention my name?" I said, "Yes. I will mention it." And, he gave me

his number and I found the card. I wrote the number down. I do not know if it is the right number. Let us try it. [ BLEEP ]. I do not know.

Maybe it is three or four years ago, so maybe it is an old number.

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SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He should not be Commander-In-Chief. He is a jackass.

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PINSKY: Back with Areva, Mike and Lisa, Sam. And, Sam, you have a tweet from Lindsey Graham.

SCHACHER: I do. The tweet reads "Probably getting a new phone, iPhone or Android." And, that is the thing, Dr. Drew part of me loves the

"Trump Show." It is like where is the popcorn. Let us enjoy the show. But, he is running for president here.

And, he makes inflammatory statements, gross generalizations. He is insulting people, calling them names. He is a bully, giving out personal

cell phone numbers. That is not the example we want in this country even if there is truth to his statements.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Areva.

MARTIN: I said here last week, remember Dr. Drew and I said, anyone that is joining Trump and throwing Latinos under the bus be ready because

you are probably next. And war veterans, war heroes, John McCain, now, you know, other presidential candidates are all going by the way of those

immigrants that so many people were like, "Yey, Trump for talking about immigrants." This guy has no filter.

SCHACHER: Yes.

MARTIN: He will talk about anyone.

CATHERWOOD: That is exactly -- I think that is exactly why he has popularity. We live in a society that glorifies the sound bite, the

headline, you know.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: When you are so inundated -- when media, itself, has become so ubiquitous, the guy who can shine through is the one who does not

pay any attention to a P.R. Manager, to any type of legal strategist.

I mean it really does appear either he is the greatest actor in the world or he is just wigging it. Taking to town hall going out and saying

whatever is on his mind. And, in a world everything is so calculated especially in the world of politics, I think that is refreshing to a lot of

people.

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PINSKY: You are right. Three things, Lisa. It is that people are tired of being politically correct. They are really tired and they are

kind of angry about it. He does cut through with extreme showmanship. And, then there is this tendency to scapegoat.

And, I have said this every night. People do not understand what scapegoating is. You take somebody and you marginalize and dehumanize

them. You can lead a big mob. That is easy to do that, Lisa.

SCHACHER: Yes.

BLOOM: That is true. Sam, take heart. Donald Trump is the best thing that ever happened --

SCHACHER: For the Democrat.

BLOOM: -- to the Democratic Party.

SCHACHER: I agree, girl. I agree.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: All right. I want to remind everyone what we are talking about here. Here is Trump his original statement from June 16. This is

when he burst onto the scene. He announced his candidacy.

And, these are the original statements that got him -- initially seemed like it was getting anymore trouble but brought him to the

leadership of the Republican Party. Let us take a listen.

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TRUMP: When Mexico sends its people, they are not sending their best. They are sending people that have lots of problems. And, they are

bringing those problems with us. They are bringing drugs. They are bringing crime. They are rapists. And, some, I assume, are good people.

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PINSKY: So, Areva, people immediately forgot that he was talking about illegal immigration and heard it as all Mexicans are bad or all

Mexicans are those people, whatever the sort of scapegoating, marginalization.

But, you know, we sat here just maybe a week before that in the aftermath of Charleston, we are starting to have this very interesting

dialogue about race and how we all work together and it just vanished overnight. I cannot believe it.

[21:30:03] MARTIN: But, I do not think we should give too much credence to Trump, because the people who are, you know, galvanized by him

are, they are on the fringes.

PINSKY: I do not know. Listen --

MARTIN: The most conservative people in the GOP party.

PINSKY: But, Areva --

MARTIN: Yes, Dr. Drew. When he goes up against Hillary Clinton and the democrats, he loses hands down. So, I do not think we should get too

excited about his --

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SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I am hearing from my audience. Because I know in this group there is a bunch of people --

Ernie, I will get to introduce you in a second, but I know that there are people here that -- I am always shocked people jump up.

People I did not expect to support Trump jump to the microphone. Here comes somebody that is going to run up here. Let me introduce Ernie

first. Ernie White. He is a civil rights activist. Ernie, what is that people -- No. Bring him down. I am bringing this guy down. We will get

you a mic in a second. But, Ernie, go ahead. What is it they are responding to?

ERNIE WHITE, CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST: Well, I think one of the things you got to look at is, most people feel that government has been dumping on

them. I think for the first time they see a guy that appears to be dumping back on the government, telling them to take it and shove it.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Is that it? I am certainly -- I am sympathetic if that is what this is, because I want them to leave me alone. What do you say?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: I love the fact that he is an anti-P.C. candidate.

PINSKY: There it is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: I love the fact that he is unfiltered. He is off the cuff. He is real. And, I love his economic policies. He

going to make nice money. The Trump brand is known.

PINSKY: I have heard that exact thing from so many people standing in that spot.

MARTIN: In fifth grade civics. If he becomes president, it is not his company. The congress is not going to be his board of directors.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Areva, if you remember Ross Perot, that was --

MARTIN: Yes. He went down in flames.

PINSKY: Not at first. He really had quite a success. He is how Bill Clinton got elected.

CATHERWOOD: I was going to say that Drew, you know, there is a very sincere and authentic reason why macro -- microeconomics are two separate

courses --

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: Is because a man who is by the way who started off in an industry where he inherited a lot of money and power in that industry --

MARTIN: Thank you. Thank you.

CATHEWOOD: -- Was able to kind of perpetuate that wealth. It is a vast difference than the financial landscape of an entire country.

PINSKY: Ernie? That is a reasonable criticism?

WHITE: But, I am going to say this, though. Why are the politicians so afraid of Donald Trump? All they have to do is come back and say what

they want to say. They have been saying it for so many years and they have said absolutely nothing.

CATHERWOOD: You know what? You are absolutely right. And, someone who plans on putting an R next to his ballot, you know, in the next

presidential election, I think that you are exactly right. And, where Scott Walker or Jeb Bush and certainly Chris Christie who billed himself as

this guy, who was going to be unfiltered and speak for the every man, they have made a huge mistake in not firing immediately back and giving Trump

some of his own best medicine.

BLOOM: I think they are worried because he has their cell numbers.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Ernie?

WHITE: I think both parties -- I believe both parties need to be a little bit afraid. Because if he does not get the republican nomination,

he will be going as an independent, which means he will drag both republicans and democrats into that party.

It is going to be the people that are tired of being tired. We have been crapped on by both parties. It is time for the people to start

standing up and taking these parties back. And, we are going to do that!

PINSKY: Yes, ma`am. Audience.

SCHACHER: wow.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I am Mexican-American. And, my family is -- I have a lot of family that are Mexican immigrants. And, a lot of

them are hard working.

PINSKY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: They pursue an education under the dream act.

PINSKY: Yes. Of course.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: A lot of them come here to work really hard. And, you know what? The fact that he is saying those negative

comments against Mexican Americans and Latinos is going to make Latinos rise up and prove him wrong.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

BLOOM: Yes!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: We are underestimated. And, I am tired of this. And, Donald Trump has to know that! We are successful.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: I certainly agree with that. And, the conversation goes on. And later, a woman`s special birthday surprise from the boyfriend she had

cheated on back after this.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

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[21:38:00] TRUMP: We have such stupid leadership.

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CATHERWOOD: We live in a world where fame is its own virtue. By far and away the most famous person running for president.

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TRUMP: When do I great in Nevada, which just came out and I won the Hispanic vote. I won big league the Hispanics. I am telling you.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE AUDIENCE: I understand that, you know, everyone calls him a racist or buffoon, but he is honestly just like a normal

person. Like he is just very real.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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PINSKY: Do you think Trump could become the nominee?

BARNETT: The nominee? Maybe.

PINSKY: Really?

BARNETT: Actually, I think he could. I think people will jump on the bandwagon. Jump on the crazy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Vanessa predicting the future. She thinks Trump has a shot. I am back with the audience and my panel. And, a rally today Trump mocked

the companies who have severed ties with him. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: Trump loses Nascar. Headlines or a business paper in Paris. A guy calls me up to pay condolences. You know what it was? It was a

banquet at Doral. One night. I will rent it to somebody else for more money in about two seconds.

Trump loses ESPN. Espn severs ties with Trump. It was a golf outing for 120 golfers from ESPN. At my course in Los Angeles. So, now, they are

going to go to a crummy course because this course is much better than the one they alternate. It is like not even a contest. So, they will play at

this crummy course. By the way, they will all be back next year. They have already told me that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Ernie is still with me in the audience. How about what my Latina lady said here. She was taking issue with the feeling that Trump

was in marginalizing people that she represented.

WHITE: When you are talking about illegal immigration, not about immigration.

PINSKY: But, she seemed to miss that. What does he need to do, maybe to little -- to rein in his language a little bit, so people can hear what

he is saying?

SCHACHER: Yes.

WHITE: When he was at Arizona, when he was in Los Vegas, he talked about those issues. He talked about all of out Latinos and even the black

people. He wants everybody.

[21:40:00] This is America. And, he is tired of people just putting down America. He wants to bring America back. We have the biggest

immigration policy in the world. We bring more immigrants here than anywhere else combined.

We are talking about illegal immigration. In a country without borders is not a country. And, we are losing our country. It is not to

Hispanics. Hispanics keep saying it is about them. You got people coming here from the Middle East. You got people coming here from countries that

hate us.

And, yet we are talking about this immigration policy. He had Jamil Shaw on his campaign. Jamil Shaw, his son was killed by an illegal

immigrant. Not by a legal immigrant. So, he is talking about illegal immigration. How many is enough? We have enough here. And, we are going

to take care of that, but are we going to keep that border wide open?

PINSKY: Yes, ma`am. Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I also think that until we take the money out of politics, the American people are going to continue to --

SCHACHER: Yes.

BLOOM: Yes.

PINSKY: And, you know, the weird way is not that what he has done. He is somebody that does not have to worry about the money, where he get

it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: Exactly. He cannot be bought. Everyone else from the Supreme Court, to our congress, to our presidents,

they ought to be wearing sponsor patches like Nascar drivers.

CATHERWOOD: Yes.

(LAUGHING)

SCHACHER: Yes. I can stand behind that. I agree with you 100 percent. My problem with Trump is the fact -- I can appreciate a no

filter. I like that what you see is what you get but not for our president. He is pissing off people left and right. I do not want him

pissing off other world leaders.

WHITE: We just heard Obama the other day. Obama just said the "N" word the other day. What about a filter on that?

SCHACHER: That is a different context.

WHITE: Oh, that is a different context.

(CROSSTALK)

CATHERWOOD: It is a much different context, because what Donald Trump is saying that what he is so unfiltered about is by and large very untrue.

And, when you are talking about your policy building your platform to be president.

For instance, when he says and you say, "It is not just about Hispanics, so I do not understand why Hispanics are getting so upset about

it." Well, he did flat out said Mexico is giving us rapists and is giving us murderers.

And, if you look at the "Washington Post" who has done the most comprehensive large scale outpost of aggregate numbers of all statistics

ranging from illegal immigrants in this country, leading to about 11 million people. By far there are much less crime committed by people who

are here illegally than there is by natural born actual native citizens of this country.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

But, it makes everybody get all excited when they go, "He is finally talking about what we want to say. We have been saying that we have a

porous border. We have problems with illegal immigration for 50 years." No one has ever denied that. It is the fact that he has to use this

inappropriate a bull-headed language to ponder to a select group of people who love to hear headlines. That is all they want to hear.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

BLOOOM: The worst stereotypes. The worst stereotypes of black and brown people.

SCHACHER: Yes.

BLOOM: He did not say illegal immigrants commit crimes. He said Mexicans are criminals and rapists. That was the worst stereotype. And to

generalize from one incident of one criminal to an entire group is the very definition of racist.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Ernie. Ernie.

WHITE: You know what? I seriously disagree.

PINSKY: I will tell you what he is doing. He needs to go on Marc Maron`s podcast.

WHITE: Yes. But one thing --

PINSKY: Because that is the context where the "N" came out. Let us see what Trump does on Marc Maron.

WHITE: But, the media always tries to pretend like somebody says one thing and they are talking about a whole group of people and they are not.

I sit here and I fight for black people. I am one of the only guys right now fighting for Hispanic peoples in my district.

I mean, we fight for all people. This country is still the greatest country in the world. And, we need to bring this country back to being the

greatest country. You got one candidate right now who does not care about politics. And, that should be refreshing to everybody that he is cutting

through the tape.

And he is going to owe nobody, nothing. He is going to do this on his own. They can fire him all they want to. Maybe he will be fired, but

you know what? He got the politicians all afraid right now. They are scared. What are they scared of?

MARTIN: You know, what is funny, Dr. Drew? Everyone keeps talking about Donald Trump is going to be so extraordinary because he does not need

money. People run for presidency for two reasons. Either they want to govern or they want to advance a cause.

Usually, you know, homelessness or health care policies. All Donald Trump wants to advance is Donald Trump. Every speech he gives, he is

talking about how wealthy he is. He talks about his money like he is making a commercial. Every speech he gives is about Donald Trump.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: Let us hear his words on business and money and politics. Here it is.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: I was a businessman until a few months ago. When I want something, I give and that is part of the problem with our system. Until a

couple of months ago I could have anything, believe me. If a republican wants, I give.

When I need something, I call. "Hey, how are you?" "Oh, Mr. Trump. Sir, how are you? What can I do for you?" I said, "Nothing really. Be at

my wedding. Make sure, please, OK?" If you cannot get rich dealing with politicians, there is something wrong with you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: I want to hear from our audience. Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: I just wanted to say you said Trump is a businessman. And, so is every other politician. They are all in it for

the money, for the prestige, for everything.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

SCHACHER: Yes. I know, I agree. But what I am worried about, if he is creating divisiveness. He is pissing people off. And, I do not think

that is good --

[21:45:01] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE AUDIENCE: All politician, do.

SCHACHER: Well, he is -- this is a little bit different. You have to admit that this is different. He is using language. He is hitting below

the belt. He is giving out cell phone numbers. I do not want to see him do that to other world leaders. I do not think that is going to create

unity. I do not think that is going to create unity. I do not think he is the right candidate.

PINSKY: Ernie, is he unifying or is he creating divisions?

WHITE: He is showing you that he is not going to take any crap from politicians. So, if you love politicians then you can keep your

politician.

MARTIN: Can we ask Ernie who else is going to be in Washington with Mr. Trump? He will not be there alone. You know, he will be there with

other politicians. You do know that, right? There is something called the congress?

WHITE: President Obama has shown us that he can do executive orders and get whatever he needs done, done. So, he does not need those

politicians. Let me say this, seriously.

MARTIN: Come on now. You know, that is not a realistic response.

WHITE: Listen. We can set and argue back and forth. Hillary has gotten $2 billion from every foreign donor in the world. So listen to me.

All we are saying is this. We are tired of politicians giving us the finger. It is time that we the people take our country back from those

politicians. We are tired of politicians.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: I am going to leave it there. Thank you guys. Next up a cheating girlfriend gets a surprise from her angry boyfriend and we have

the video. We will be right back.

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

[21:50:31] PINSKY: Time now for "Click Fix," where the guests tell me what is trending on their Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram accounts.

Mike, you are up first.

CATHERWOOD: Whoever said -- like a woman`s corn has never met this young man.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: This is the guy I was promoting. All right.

CATHERWOOD: Yes. He learned his girlfriend was cheating on him, so he videotaped her very special birthday surprise and posted it on YouTube.

Check it out.

PINSKY: Uh-oh.

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UNIDENTIFIED BOYFRIEND: You with me?

UNIDENTIFIED GIRLFRIEND: Where am I supposed to go? C

UNIDENTIFIED BOYFRIEND: Come on. I got you.

UNIDENTIFIED GIRLFRIEND: Watch where my -- watch where I am stepping.

UNIDENTIFIED BOYFRIEND: All right. Hold my hand. Take my hand. Cover your eyes.

UNIDENTIFIED GIRLFRIEND: My eyes are covered.

UNIDENTIFIED BOYFRIEND: All right. Come on. Whoop, no peeking.

UNIDENTIFIED GIRLFRIEND: I am not peeking.

UNIDENTIFIED BOYFRIEND: OK. Come on. A little bit further. OK. Happy birthday to you

UNIDENTIFIED GIRLFRIEND: Can I look now?

UNIDENTIFIED BOYFRIEND: Yes. You can look now. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Bianca.

UNIDENTIFIED GIRLFRIEND: What is going on?

UNIDENTIFIED BOYFRIEND: Happy birthday to you. Hey, babe?

UNIDENTIFIED GIRLDFRIEND: Are you packing my stuff?

UNIDENTIFIED BOYFRIEND: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED GIRLDFRIEND: Why?

UNIDENTIFIED BOYFRIEND: Because I busted you cheating on me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Wow!

SCHACHER: Whoa!

(LAUGHING)

CATHERWOOD: He had all her stuff packed up. Ready to go.

SCHACHER: Ouch.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: You know what? Can you somehow maybe post that for Camille Cosby? Maybe she can get some ideas there?

(LAUGHING)

CATHERWOOD: What is all my stuff doing here?

PINSKY: Sam, you are next.

SCHACHER: OK. So, my story features a very heroic rescue that was recorded by a cell phone. And, now that footage has gone viral. It is

actually really upsetting story, too.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Is this a shark attack?

SCHACHER: No. OK. So, the manager of a Fort Worth story in Kansas City smacks a car window to save a 2-year-old girl trapped inside. She

used everything from a chair to a tire iron. And, finally, a truck hitch did the deed.

Now, the temperature was 91 degrees. The heat index was over 100. The toddler was reportedly left in a sweltering car with the windows up and

the doors locked. The rescuer said that the toddler was drenched in sweat, was crying.

Now, the babysitters were identified as the toddler`s niece. They were ticketed for child endangerment and could face additional charges.

PINSKY: Ticketed? Giving the kid back?

SCHACHER: Well, I think that now the city is investigating, but here is the thing.

PINSKY: It is hot, hot too. Remember the other one, who died?

SCHACHER: Yes. And, not only that, when the hero manager that saved this little girl says when the babysitters or the aunts came over, they

were not upset about the little girl. They were upset about their car window and wanted the store to pay for it.

PINSKY: Wow.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: All right. Areva, go ahead.

MARTIN: Well, that appears to be a story of neglect. But, mine is a cautionary tale. A mom in Pennsylvania was unloading her baby and her

toddler in her stroller in an SUV when the toddler locked the mommy out of the SUV. So, her keys are in the diaper bag --

PINSKY: The last one was an SUV episode.

SCHACHER: Yes.

MARTIN: Yes. So, the keys are in diaper bags. The diaper bag is in the car. The car door is locked by the toddler. It is 95 degrees. She

calls 911. They respond. They use a metal flashlight wrapped in a towel to smash the window as we can see to save the child. And, the kids are

rushed to the hospital. And, thank God in this case they got to these kids fast enough. No damage. Kids are fine. And it was an accident.

PINSKY: there were two kids?

MARTIN: It was a child.

PINSKY: One child. One child.

SCHACHER: Yes.

MARTIN: And, this was an accident.

SCHACHER: Can we remind people do not leave your child or a pet in a car? It is insane!

(LAUGHING)

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

PINSKY: It is 100 degrees outside, you should roll the windows up, if you will be leaving a child inside the car.

SCHACHER: It is insane. Even if you crack the window -- even if you crack the window, there is like a greenhouse effect. And, they really

quickly 80 degrees outside can be 105 degrees inside that car.

CATHERWOOD: Leave Bill Cosby alone.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: Leaving little kids in a car under any circumstances.

MARTIN: Well, in my case the keys were in the diaper bag and the kid locked the door.

PINSKY: Yes. Yes. You are safe. That was an error. Got it. All right. Next up, what happens when a man tosses a woman? Well, he sort of

tossing her overboard? It is not what you think. But it is something to behold. Back after this.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

[21:54:57] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PINSKY: Time for the "Click Fix." My "Click Fix." A viral video from the website, quote, "Kill some time." The headline reads, quote, "How

not to throw your girlfriend overboard."

(LAUGHING)

MARTIN: What?!

PINSKY: That is tough to watch. It looks bad. Before you watch it, let me tell you, no one was significantly injured in this little

interaction. So, have a look. It is like, we are playing a little toss the girl into the lake or whatever it is they are doing here. Let us play

it. Come on. It is like here we go. Ah 1, ah 2 --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Oh, yes.

MARTIN: Three.

SCHACHER: Oh. Oh, my gosh.

PINSKY: Everybody, strange things can happen in the strangest of places and circumstances. Though, young woman reportedly suffered bruising

but is otherwise fine.

SCHACHER: Yikes. It would have been fun otherwise if she would have made it in.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: It is a cautionary Sam.

SCHACHER: Why? I would have done that.

PINSKY: All right, guys. Check us out on Snap Chat. We are there now. You can see what happens during the show breaks. Also DVR us. You

can watch us anytime. Thank you, panel. Thank you, audience. See you next time.

(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)

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