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Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Trial; Caroline Kennedy Back to Work after Death Threats; Target to Propose Hacking Settlement; Brooke Baldwin Conquers Mount Kilimanjaro. Aired 10:30-11a ET

Aired March 19, 2015 - 10:30   ET

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[10:29:50] PAGE PATE, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, the prosecution, the government is hoping that the jury is going to be afraid of this man. They are doing everything they can to make the jury fearful because I think in a capital case, that's really what you have to do.

It's not the planning. It's not the horrific crime. Everyone knows about that. That's not much in dispute. It's the fear factor. If we let this guy spend the rest of his life in prison are we still in danger? Are people in prison a danger? And I think at least in my own experience, that's what makes a capital jury willing to impose the death penalty. It's fear.

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN ANCHOR: It's fear.

All right. Paige -- thanks so much. Paul -- thanks so much for being with mew as well. Appreciate it.

And still to come, Caroline Kennedy back to business after recent death threats. We'll be talking to a former American ambassador to Japan about whether the U.S. should have a bigger hand in safety overseas.

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KEILAR: Even as the U.S. in Japan investigate death threats made against her, Caroline Kennedy appeared to relax this morning as she spoke at an event with first lady Michelle Obama. This is her second public appearance since those threats were made public.

Kennedy's husband though admits that he has concerns.

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EDWIN SCHLOSSBERG, CAROLINE KENNEDY'S HUSBAND: I worry about the safety of my family every day. Any threat is scary, but I think everyone's taking the proper precautions.

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KEILAR: To discuss, we are joined now by Thomas Schieffer. He's a former ambassador to Japan and he's also the former ambassador to Australia. Ambassador, thanks for being with us. THOMAS SCHIEFFER, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO JAPAN AND AUSTRALIA: My pleasure.

KEILAR: And, you know, you were the subject of threats while you were in Japan. Maybe they weren't quite as public, but what can you tell us about those incidents and what it was like to go through that?

[10:35:08] Well, I think it's hard for Americans to understand sometimes is that when they hear about a post to what-not and the nomenclature is severe, middle, low chance of something happening, there's never a rating for any American facility in the world that has no danger involved, including our facilities that we have in New York and the United Nations. It's just part of the life.

And American ambassadors around the world are targets for somebody. They can be people that are mentally deranged, they can be terrorists, they can be ideologues. But there is no place in which an American ambassador does not serve without some sort of threat. And these threats are not unusual. They occur in a lot of places.

And I had situations in both Australia and Japan in which there were threats made. There was an off-duty policeman from a city outside Tokyo that threw a Molotov cocktail into the compound one day. It didn't hurt anybody, fortunately, but security is something that every ambassador is concerned about. Not just about himself or -- but about the people that are under him. That's the primary concern you have is to be sure that everybody is safe every day, every hour of the year.

KEILAR: So you go into an appointment like this, just knowing sort of accepting that there is a level of risk. Certain posts are higher risks. Japan and South Korea, for instance, where Ambassador Lippert was attacked by a knife recently, a lot of stitches, very bloody event, very scary, could have been much worse. Those appointments are actually considered relatively low-risk appointments.

SCHIEFFER: That's right. But --

KEILAR: Do you think that there is -- there is an -- so you look at that and we've had these kind of instances in that region. Is there an increased risk for Americans in general abroad right now or are we just hearing -- is this just us hearing more about this?

SCHIEFFER: I think you're hearing a lot about it but I think that 9/11 demonstrated that there's no place on earth that's safe that is without these kind of risks and you have to be aware of them. I mean President Kennedy's ambassador to Japan, Edmund O. Reischauer was stabbed by a deranged person and it was almost a fatal wound that he had.

But as I said, these things happen. I mean I remember going through the security seminar at the State Department in preparation of going before going to Australia. And somebody said there, you need to keep in mind that since the end of World War II, there has been more American ambassadors killed than American generals and admirals.

That's a sobering thought. But I think it's important to remember that it's not just ambassadors that are at risk. You will see through the year a number of American personnel that are serving in embassies around the world, somewhere around the world that will be killed or injured at the post. It may be an aide worker, an aide counselor as it was in Jordan during my time that was killed outside his garage.

What I came to understand in my service was that we are fortunate to have young men and women and older men and women who are serving our country abroad at great risk to themselves and it's not just in places like Afghanistan and Iraq. It's all over the world because you are a trophy to some sort of group who wants to do harm to the United States. It's something you live with.

KEILAR: Yes. It's --

SCHIEFFER: But it is something that we have to constantly be on guard about. I was in Australia. I was in Japan. And I can assure that the Japanese are all over this. They provide a lot of security to the American ambassador. They do it quite well.

KEILAR: So that's my question, Ambassador. Because a lot of it is -- you know, a lot of it with the State Department, they're relying on security from the host country so often I know this is sufficient. But it gets sensitive when you're dealing with the balance between U.S. security and the host country's security.

We sort of hear this talked about in -- I don't want to say sanitized terms but this is diplo-speak when we're hearing from the State Department. We heard earlier from Caroline Kennedy's husband. This was a very human reaction where he says that he's concerned.

Did your family ever have reservations about your posts and the possible threats?

SCHIEFFER: Sure. I mean on Christmas Eve, one year when we were in Australia after 9/11, we received a packet of white powder on Christmas Eve. It required a lockdown of the embassy. It turned out to be a hoax but we, of course, didn't know it at the time.

[10:40:05] There were a couple of other times that I received packets like that. There were numerous threats. It's just part of the job. But it's the part of everybody's job that is at a foreign post. And one of the things that I resolved to do when I got back home was to remind as many people as I could that there are dangers to serving your country and it's not just on the battlefield. It's other places.

But we've worked with foreign governments and it's not a question. We're guests in everybody else's country as they are in ours. Here in the United States, the Secret Service provides the diplomatic protection for all of the embassies that are located here. When you're abroad, the local governments provide that.

They do a good job and they work closely with our people. No one wants somebody injured in their country. They just don't.

KEILAR: Yes. SCHIEFFER: But having said that, we live in a dangerous world. And there are a lot of people out there that want to do harm to the United States.

And I would say one other thing which I noticed both in Australia and Japan. The security that I had was the same that the prime minister of each of those countries had. Foreign ministers, defense ministers in those countries didn't have the security that I had and the only other embassy that had that level of security was the Israeli embassy for the same reason. There are people that want to do harm to Israelis and they are around the world.

KEILAR: They want you to stay safe certainly on their watch.

All right. Ambassador Schieffer -- thanks so much. Really appreciate --

SCHIEFFER: Thank you -- Brianna.

KEILAR: -- your special insight on this.

And I want to get now to Anna Coren because she has some new details for us on this case -- on the threats against Caroline Kennedy as well as another U.S. official more. What can you tell us, Anna?

ANNA COREN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Brianna. Developing anew here in Japan, a local media station TV Asahi which happens to be a CNN affiliate is reporting that a 52-year-old man from Okinawa has been arrested. That he has admitted to police that he made three phone calls to the U.S. embassy here in Tokyo threatening to bomb it as well Camp Schwab in Okinawa. That's where about 28,000 U.S. Marines are stationed.

We should stress that these calls -- these three calls were made this month. Now, the death threats to Caroline Kennedy -- they were made in February. And we understand from these reports that police are also investigating 30 phone calls made to the U.S. Embassy here in Tokyo specifically against Caroline Kennedy, the U.S. ambassador here in Japan. She's been holding this post for some 16 months. Well respected, very much admired here in Japan.

But it was seen that those threats are more specific to Caroline Kennedy and police are investigating whether there is any connection between the 30 calls made last month and the three calls made this month by this 52-year-old man -- Brianna.

KEILAR: 30 calls. That sounds like an awful lot. Is that why the flag was raised here -- the red flag about this? That this is out of the ordinary?

COREN: Yes. Look, it would appear so. And I should note that we are working our contacts with the police. We are waiting for confirmation. One of our producers is on the phone to them at this very moment. So until we get that specific, you know, confirmation, it's really hard to tell. But you would have to assume, 30 calls made specifically against Caroline Kennedy, the U.S. ambassador to Japan, certainly raising the red flag for authorities.

Particularly in light of what happened with Mark Lippert the U.S. ambassador to South Korea -- a horrific incident in Seoul. He was slashed across the face and arm with a knife and sustained hideous injuries and needed something like 80 stitches. So as we know security very much has been tightened here in Japan for Caroline Kennedy.

But you know what, in saying that, Brianna, she has been going about her duty. She has been escorting U.S. first lady Michelle Obama who is here in country pushing her girls' education initiative, a partnership that the United States is working with Japan.

So it is very much business as usual and she addressed the media earlier today. And it wasn't about her own personal safety. It was about the three Japanese citizens who were killed in those terror attacks in Tunisia -- Brianna.

KEILAR: It is a calling that there is some potential danger in it. Business as usual though for Caroline Kennedy, it appears.

Anna Coren for us from Tokyo -- thank you.

Still to come, victims of a massive hack attack on Target could get a pretty good payout. We'll have details next.

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KEILAR: Target may have to pay out $10 million over a massive data breach. This is part of a proposed settlement between consumers and the big box chain.

We have CNN money tech correspondent Laurie Segall joining us now with the details on this. So tell us more about this settlement and how -- I mean it sounds like folks could get a lot but maybe ultimately they won't.

LAURIE SEGALL, CNN MONEY TECH CORRESPONDENT: Right. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I don't think it's likely people are going to get up to -- or get $10,000.

Again as you said, they're proposing a $10 million settlement. Victims would receive up to $10,000. And what you've got to do is they've got to show unauthorized charges (inaudible) depending how much you want, you've got to show a lot. You've got to show a lot of damage was done. Maybe you had to take time off work. Maybe you had to go paid to get a new ID. So that's where all of this comes from.

Now, will that all add up to $10,000 -- not necessarily likely but also it's part of this. When all of this happened, Target CEO eventually had to step down, their head of tech had to step down. As part of this they've said that Target had to bolster the security. I hope they've done that by now. I'm pretty sure that they have. And they also had to designate a chief information security officer which hopefully they'll do as part of the settlement.

KEILAR: Breaking news -- they didn't have that before.

SEGALL: Right.

KEILAR: I mean -- come on. Ok. So there is this hearing today. Does this affect anything or is this settlement pretty much a done deal?

SEGALL: You know it could -- it will likely be approved. In many of these cases, they are approved. Now that being said, this is a high- profile case -- right. The judge could say this is too low-ball. There were so many people affected.

You have to remember that the malware that infected all these stores was built by a Russian teenager and it was able to affect the company for a month and a half -- from Black Friday to December undetected at the biggest shopping time of the year. And when it was detected, people criticized how Twitter -- how Twitter -- how Target really dealt with it.

What they said -- they really just didn't deal with it right away and that really caused the damage. Now they're officially going to have to pay up.

[10:50:00] KEILAR: Yes, they were so ineffectual at how they sort of handled it.

All right. Laurie Segall -- thank you so much. Hopefully some people will be compensated for all the effort they put in to get past that.

Still to come, five days of hiking for six minutes -- just six little minutes at the top of Mount Kilimanjaro. Next, Brooke Baldwin will join us to talk about the hardest thing that she's ever done and the moment that brought her to tears.

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KEILAR: Six minutes on top of the world. Stepping out of her comfort zone, CNN anchor, Brooke Baldwin recently climbed to the summit of Mount Kilimanjaro.

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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: So we just finished day one. Hiking six, six and a half hours, climbed from about 6,000 feet to 10,000 feet. And we just found our camp.

I am overwhelmed by this. There is something about the magic of the Swahili music.

Day time at (inaudible) camp, we've come up at 13,000 and 15,000 and you can't see her because we're in the clouds but behind me, there she is, the beginning of the summit. Today's the day.

[10:55:01] I made it -- eight plus hours walking in the dark, all vertical. But we get to see this top of Africa. It's phenomenal.

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KEILAR: And Brooke is joining me now to talk about this. I'm getting a little teary because you were crying there.

BALDWIN: Hey, when we climbed I asked my best friend at CNN to come climb the highest mountain in Africa with me and she said --

KEILAR: I said no. If I'm going to Africa, I'm going on a safari. I'm not climbing a mountain but you did.

BALDWIN: Keilar.

KEILAR: Sorry.

BALDWIN: It was the trip of a lifetime.

KEILAR: What was that like?

BALDWIN: Of course, you played the clip when I'm crying.

KEILAR: But you're struggling to breathe. There is that summit

BALDWIN: That is that final -- you know, it's this, we're awake at the very end for 39 straight hours, walking. They're forcing you to eat food and sugar, especially on the summit hike where we're just led by (inaudible). These are head lamps at the top of our heads. And finally you get up there and the peak Hulu (ph) that peak is 19,341 feet and the air is very thin.

It's an understatement, but you're just sort of, you learn to breathe differently.

KEILAR: You can hear it -- yes.

BALDWIN: Starting about day three, you learn to breathe differently thanks to the guide with (inaudible) -- love you. He's actually, by the way, back on the mountain. I just called him in Tanzani -- picked up the phone from Mount Kilimanjaro with Abercrombie and Kent. So, you breathe differently.

KEILAR: Ok. So I'm seeing you in some of the picture and you're walking through what looks a little bit like jungle. Then you're walking through something where it looks like you're on the surface of Mars. So it's all of these seasonal changes that you're going through.

BALDWIN: It's crazy. It's in the course of six or seven days. It took us seven days ultimately to get down but every day was different. You're climbing through multiple climates. You begin sort of in this jungle, verdant jungle. And then you walk through stones and Mars- like topography and finally get up to the snow and the glaciers of Kilimanjaro. It was incredibly windy this day. That was a rough morning.

KEILAR: So you really kind of -- you learned a lot. I mean this is a journey beyond just a trek. And you had to really plan ahead and think about, how did you get ready for this?

BALDWIN: I kicked up my workouts to six days a week. People were like, how did you train, Brooke? Beyond that, you really can't do much --

KEILAR: You need more. Were you carrying bricks around Manhattan or anything?

BALDWIN: I wasn't. I should have. I should have like thrown my hiking boots on before I went. I have had my hiking boots for years and years. And then I went to REI, I joke in a piece I wrote on CNN.com, I joked that some of the stuff we had to buy. I had no idea how to use. I went home and had to Google.

Would you know how when you buy a black diamond headlamp, how to change the batteries in the dark? This is stuff -- you wouldn't know how to do this.

KEILAR: No, I would not know how to do this.

BALDWIN: But you learn and now I feel like a total pro. I'm ready to go camping again.

KEILAR: Did you always want to do this?

BALDWIN: I always wanted to go to Africa since I was 13. I tell this whole story about having a girlfriend who was whisked away by her father on safari at 13. I mean how amazing is that? And I had this piece in me and I don't know what I was waiting.

What are we all waiting for? Whatever that trip is you have, the best thing to come out of this story and sharing with you is all these people, especially all these women saying, speaking about climbing Machu Pichu but thank you. Because I am now -- just do it.

KEILAR: You have to kind of just put it on the calendar even if it's far away. And you have to save --

BALDWIN: Follow through, suck it up, make it happen.

KEILAR: All right. Well, you have a great story on CNN.com.

BALDWIN: Yes.

KEILAR: It's really worth checking out. Brooke Baldwin -- thank you my friend.

BALDWIN: Thank you.

KEILAR: Wonderful trip.

BALDWIN: Thank you.

KEILAR: Still to come, a bank robbery pulled off by one of the most famous movie villains or at least a burglar dressed like him. Jeanne Moos has the story after this. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Talk about a teller with a story to tell, Darth Vader demanding money at a credit union in Pineville, North Carolina. No there were no reports of heavy breathing. And instead of his usual light saber, this Darth Vader was wielding what police called a long gun.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He had a gun and everything?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, you see he's holding right there --

MOOS: The suspect got away with an undisclosed amount of cash, escaping not in a Star Fighter, but a Chevy Suburban.

This isn't the first bank robbed by Darth Vader. It's not even the second.

There had been at least three. One robbed a Toledo, Ohio, bank. Another robbed a bank on Long Island almost five years ago. Police are still looking for him. At the time a look-alike distanced himself from the robber.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On a more personal note, a blue cape? Seriously, does this cape look blue to you?

MOOS: Robbers have disguised themselves as everything from a construction worker to Santa to nuns. Nuns right out of a heist movie "The Town".

Some disguises are so tacky they shouldn't have just called the police. They should have called the fashion police -- suspects wearing underwear on his heads, clad boxers, a thong.

Now, that's the dark side.

Stick to being a piggy bank rather than robbing a real one, Darth Vader.

[11:00:00] Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.

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KEILAR: Thank you for joining me.

"AT THIS HOUR" with Berman and Bolduan starts now.