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Bobbi Kristina Brown Remains in Coma; Bruce Jenner`s Changing Appearance Dominating Conversation in Social Media; Controversial Film "America Sniper" Setting Box Office

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, Bobbi Kristina Brown remains in a coma. There are new clues about what may have happened to her. Plus,

Bruce Jenner`s appearance. His face looks a little different. He has long hair and wild attention.

Let us first get started with the most tweeted story of the night. Bobbi Kristina Brown fighting for her life as police come yet one step closer to

learning how she ended up face down in a bathtub full of water. Were drugs or medication involved with this. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE 911 DISPATCHER: Responding to an echo-level response. Possible cardiac arrest. 21-year-old female in the bathtub, facedown. Pd`s

en route.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Later it was determined that it was Bobbi Kristina Brown. Her husband and a friend located her in the bathtub. They

immediately started CPR on her.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: It is the latest in a spring of well- documented struggles since her mother, pop icon Whitney Houston was found dead in a bathtub.

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NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Of course there has been long speculation about the 21-year-old`s chemical dependency.

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LISA HOLLAND, SPOKESPERSON FOR THE ROSWELL POLICE DEPARTMENT IN GEORGIA: They are getting a search warrant on the house and they will go through and

just make sure everything is covered.

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PINSKY: Joining us, Samantha Schacher, host of "Pop Trigger" on Hulu!; Nicci Gilbert-Daniels, R&B artists/producer. She knows Bobbi Kristina and

was with Whitney Houston before she died. And, Loni Coombs, former prosecutor, author of "You`re Perfect And Other Lies Parents Tell."

Bobbi Kristina has now been moved to Emery University Hospital in Atlanta. And, tonight, CNN has identified the other person at the scene as Max

Lomas. Now, Sam, is it Lomos or Lomas? Sam, tell me about this guy.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER" ON HULU!: Max Lomas, Dr. Drew. He is 24 years old and he does a little bit of a rap sheet. In 2011 and

2012, he was arrested for domestic violence. Now, three weeks ago, police were called to his house, once again.

This time it was because, according to his girlfriend`s family, they believed that he was holding her against her will by drugging her so she

would not run away. When officers arrived, she told them she was fine.

But they did end up arresting him for possession of a firearm, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute and possession of a controlled

substance, which was Xanax. But, just remind these are charges, he has not been convicted of anything.

PINSKY: So, this character has been charged with some pretty erroneous behavior and crazy in combination of substances.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: Let me go out to Dax Holt from TMZ. Dax, what do you know about this new information?

DAX HOLT, TMZ REPORTER: Yes. I mean listening to this rap sheet, I mean it sounds pretty gnarly considering, you know, what he was looking like.

Was the guy was intending to distribute marijuana, distribute other drugs and that does not look good when you are hanging out with Bobbi Kristina,

someone that has struggled in the past.

But, I got to tell you, you know, we do know that there were drugs found at the house, OK? And, at the initial search, cops did not find anything.

But, that was kind of just a visceral search. They walked around and did not see anything laying out, they left.

Well, they did not go back for a second time and we have confirmed they did find drugs and we know that they have told authorities -- they did tell the

family that they found those --

PINSKY: Hey, Dax. Dax.

HOLT: Yes.

PINSKY: I want to ask you when they say drugs, do they mean prescription medication? Do they mean illicit drugs or are they not specifying?

HOLT: They are not specifying right now. They were not -- you know, law enforcement was not wanting to be clear on that, but we know from family

sources that is what they found. And, from the beginning, law enforcement sources have told us that they believe from the beginning that Bobbi

Kristina ended up face down in the bathtub as a result of drugs.

PINSKY: The police says this. And, Dax, let me ask you. You have been at the center of this hurricane for a long time at TMZ. There are lots of

allegations about her having struggle with mental health issues. Does this surprise you?

HOLT: Not really. But, you know, obviously the family -- we have watched her grow up. We have watched the family on T.V. You know, it was not the

most stable environment, I got to say. And, you know, it is not always easy to cope with the life death of a loved one, especially your parent.

PINSKY: No. It is never. It is never easy. That is my point.

HOLT: So, I could only imagine what have been life for her --

PINSKY: Yes, this girl lost her mom. Terrible.

HOLT: -- although it has been couple years.

PINSKY: Yes, terrible. Thanks, Dax. I really appreciate it. And, of course, we can not independently confirm any of the claims that TMZ is

making. CNN has asked the Roswell Georgia Police Department for comment.

They have revealed very little about the incident and have not released even a copy of the actual search warrant. Nicci, what about this new

information? Does this all surprise you? Is this sort of what you were thinking? What are your thoughts?

NICCI GILBERT-DANIELS, R&B ARTIST/PRODUCER: You know, it does not surprise me that they found, you know, drugs. I mean, Bobbi -- I am not making

excuses at all, but we do not necessarily know that they found drugs inside of Bobbi Kristina. They found drugs in Bobbi Kristina`s home. Now, I know

that everyone is going to assume that it was from Bobbi Kristina, but there were also other people in that home.

PINSKY: Yes.

GILBERT-DANIELS: And, my question is, did they find them after she was taken to the hospital and was there still someone there when she left, you

know?

PINSKY: That is a good point.

GILBERT-DANIELS: So, what does the doctor says --

PINSKY: Yes. It is a good point, Nicci, and that the character that have been called for substance, you know, distribution three weeks ago was in

the house, you are right. It does not mean she was adjusting these things. But on the reality show -- this is Bobbi Kristina`s lifetime reality show,

her family repeatedly brought up their concern about her alcohol consumption. Take a look at this.

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BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN, WHITNEY HOUSTON AND BOBBY BROWN`S DAUGHTER: I am going to make it now. It is going to be good.

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GARY HOUSTON, WHITNEY HOUSTON`S BROTHER: Yes, I do not really know what is happening but something is going on that I am seeing too.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Right. Right.

GARY HOUSTON: I do not know if she is self-medicating.

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BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: I am not saying every choice that I make is the best, you know, but like I am OK.

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PINSKY: I do not know, Nicci. I worry about pills with alcohol when I see somebody like that. And, she may have been taking pills as prescribed.

But then when you have a little -- even a modest amount of alcohol on top of that, it gets bad.

GILBERT-DANIELS: And, then when you add it to the fact that, you know, her mom passed and we are coming up on the anniversary, it is really, really,

really bad. But, I do not want people to assume that, you know, she was just out there and had some drug overdose, that there were drugs, because

we do not know.

And, I want to stress that. Because, you know, God willing she will come out of it and we will find out. The doctors will release more information

and we will find out, but there is a lot of things to consider. A lot of things to consider. The most important thing to consider is that she lost

her mother.

PINSKY: Yes.

GILBERT-DANIELS: And she is a young girl.

PINSKY: Yes. Yes.

GILBERT-DANIELS: How many of us in our 20s, you know, went through our own growing pains. And, if you add the fact that she lost her mother and we

are coming up on the anniversary and, of course, some of the things that were happening in the press, let us not take that social media --

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: Brutal. Brutal.

GILBERT-DANIELS: That social media is something for young girls to handle.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: Yes.

GILBERT-DANIELS: You know? And, when you add all of those layers, it is just a lot.

PINSKY: Yes. It is brutal. And, Loni, let me ask you this. It is so much of what we are -- again, we are just trying to understand what

happened here.

LONI COOMBS, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Right.

PINSKY: Because such a little trickle of information is coming out and people are interested in this case. I am reading between the lines. I had

to read between the lines on what the hospital and the doctors are saying. Can you read anything from what the police are telling us?

COOMBS: No. And, they are being very careful not to say what kind of drugs. If it is prescription drugs, they usually say it is prescription

drug versus just drugs, but they are not saying it. In fact, they have not even put out a formal or official report. They have told the family, but

they have not made their own statement, so we do not know.

But, going to the fact of the combining the alcohol like you brought up, Dr. Drew, when she had a problem on the second anniversary of her mother`s

death -- the first anniversary of her mother`s death, it was because she took a sedative mixed with alcohol and she ended up going to the hospital.

So, it could be, you know, some innocuous drugs that she -- medicine that she combined with the alcohol and that what ended up --

PINSKY: I am going to tell you what, a lot of people -- here is what I think, which is often the case, that physicians prescribe medication

casually that are very sedating, very addictive, very problematic. They do not tell people specifically, "Do not drink."

They may say, "If you have a couple of glasses of wine, it is OK." Well, sthis is a 20-year-old girl that may have assumed a couple of glasses of

wine in the afternoon is OK and a couple of glasses of wine in the evening. And, if that person is taking benzodiazepine throughout the day, that is a

big problem for a little girl like she is.

And, it could have all been -- all of this could have been inadvertent. I know we are coming up on an anniversary and people are trying to make --

you know, Nicci, your point is well-taken.

She may have been depressed, but maybe that is why she was on the medication and that is why she escalated her alcohol consumption a little

bit to try to manage her pain. That does not mean she intended for this to happen.

Next up, we will continue this discussion. We will hear more about the family. Is Bobbi Kristina married or not? We are going to settle that

controversy. And, later, Bruce Jenner does not look the way he used to. We will talk about it and we are back after this.

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WHITNEY HOUSTON, FAMOUS SINGER/BOBBI KRISTINA`S MOTHER: We need this little people to be good and decent human beings and to care about one

another.

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PINSKY: Her mother died. She lived in a house where there seemed to be substances.

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GILBERT-DANIELS: Someone who loves her mother, someone who loves her. And, I just feel in some ways accountable for maybe not doing what I can as

an artist, doing what I can as someone to lift her.

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BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: Bobbi Kristina just climbed and say clap your hands.

WHITNEY HOUSTON: Say it again.

BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: Bobbi Kristina just climbed and say clap your hands.

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PINSKY: So very sad. Poor Bobbi Kristina remains in the hospital in a medically induced coma. I am back with Sam and Nicci. Joining the panel,

Claudia Jordan from "Real Housewives of Atlanta."

Claudia, what do you make of the fact that there apparently was an alleged drug dealer with her at the house the day she was found -- he was one of

the people that found her in the bathtub?

CLAUDIA JORDAN, STAR OF "REAL HOUSEWIVES OF ATLANTA": It is really sad because it is just, you know, it is so similar to when her mom passed away

and I just feel like there have been other kind of cries for help.

And, I just kind of wonder like what kind of people were in her circle that were not kind of attending to her needs. And, was she surrounded by a "Yes

man" and Yes woman" that just said whatever they had to a peacer as opposed to helping her get whatever help that she needs.

PINSKY: Now, Nicci, I see that you are nodding your head that there were cries for help.

GILBERT-DANIELS: Absolutely.

PINSKY: Can you be more specific? What is it that Claudia mean? And, Claudia, I will ask you the same question after Nicci answers.

GILBERT-DANIELS: I think, you know, just as responsible adults, we have to consider the fact that we live in the era of social media. She expressed a

lot of things in social media in terms of what she wanted to do with her life, you know?

She shared a lot of what she loved down to, you know, Nick Gordon and wishes for her mom to be there. And I think that us knowing that she had

experienced this tragedy and not being more hands-on. I know it is difficult when a young girl who is 21, 22 years old. I am raising one of

my own.

It is very easy to say that we should have been there and people should have been there but sometimes they have a mind of their own. And, if you

are raising a young woman or a teenager, you know exactly what I am talking about.

PINSKY: Sam, what would you want to say about that?

SCHACHER: Yes, I just want to piggyback on that point. Bobbi Kristina was slammed on Social media over the last few years, Dr. Drew. She was bullied

on social media. The #prayforbk is one of the most positive hashtag that I have seen attached to her name in years, unfortunately.

And, what is so sad is not only do this girl have a really thimble twist upbringing and a lot of chaos and susceptible to addiction. But, then,

people on social media say that she is too heavy. Then she loses weight, she is too skinny. "Oh, do you have an eating disorder?" Oh, are you

doing drugs?"

Then when she releases that YouTube video where she sings one of her mother`s songs, people say, "You have no talent." "You will never be your

mother." Can you imagine having all of that couple together, it is a recipe for disaster.

PINSKY: And is not it interesting how people behave on social media, similar behavior with Michael Jackson. They were blasting him until he

died and then all of a sudden revered him.

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: Claudia, what do you say? What was the cry for help?

JORDAN: Well, the crying for help is like, you know, again like Nicci said, she has been expressing herself and then, you know, I have been

speaking about this phenomenon lately of the amazingly evil things that people do on social media.

And, unfortunately, it is not until someone offs themselves or gets sick or passes away. Then, it is like, "Well, we should have jumped in." We

should helped them." We did not know. People are just so brutally evil right now.

And, this is something I am experiencing with Housewives of Atlanta. But, not in the same scale as Bobbi Kristina. But it is like -- it is

unbelievable how heartless we can be to people that we think that we have the right to speak on.

PINSKY: It is a mob mentality, it really is. It is public executions in the public square that social media creates around people that they are

focused on. To address this issue, I hope, I got Jennifer Gimenez. She is actress and founder of soberbook.com.

Now, Jennifer, you have been in the public eye with the disease of addiction. You have been around celebrities` struggling. Do you have any

thoughts about addiction, fame and Bobbi Kristina?

JENNIFER GIMENEZ, ACTRESS/AUTHOR OF SOBER.COM: HI, Dr. Drew. Hi, everyone. You know, I do. I got to tell you right now it is like a sad

day. I cannot believe that we are having this conversation almost three years to the date when we were talking about Whitney Houston`s death, and

we were doing that for weeks on -- you know, on the show.

And, it is just so sad because, you know, I have suffered from addiction and I hid my recovery, I hid my addiction. And, you know, finally, you

know, when I came out and did rehab in summerhouse. It was a relief that working with people, you know, what I have noticed is that they are also

the same way like with famism.

And, a lot of people say, "Oh, did drugs and alcohol bring you down?" And, you know, Was Hollywood the one that brought you down? And, really

Hollywood is not what brings you down. It is the expectations I put on myself that brought me down, you know?

And, the fact that I was suffering from a disease and I was untreated. And, you know, it is really, really sad to see a girl, you know, who had a

tumultuous relationship, you know, with her family and fall everything, you know, with her mom, dad and, you know, obviously she has the gene.

And, that there were people around her from what I have read in the reports and stuff that were really bad people, like that drug dealer guy. You

know, it is like you have got to surround yourself with love and good people and you know, really work a program.

PINSKY: It is hard. And, again, Jennifer, she had this major loss of her mother. She had a family that broke up. I mean these are the really

important things. And, as you say, I heard you coin a phrase, famism. That is interesting.

SCHACHER: Yes.

GIMENEZ: Yes. I have been saying that for a while now, you know? I really think that there is that. I mean people suffer from alcohol and

some in drug addiction. I believe that, you know, that is still a lot. It is thickening that could come out in that way and, you know.

And, it is true what Claudia was saying. There is so much scrutiny and like people just belittling people and like bashing them on social media,

when people really do not know the truth, you know? This person is suffering from something.

PINSKY: That is right.

GIMENEZ: And it is deadly.

PINSKY: That is right.

GIMENEZ: It is deadly. It wants you dead.

PINSKY: Now, I want to clarify another issue with Bobbi Kristina, and I want to show you a picture she posted last year on Twitter with the

caption, "Being in love is the best feeling in the world when it is with you. I love you, baby." It is a wedding ring, I am led to believe. Is

that right, control room?

Yes, that is a picture of a wedding ring. So, that is what the information was on social media and yet just hours ago, CNN received this statement

from Bobbi Brown. Quote, "We are currently investigating the events that led to the hospitalization of Bobbi Kristina to correct earlier reports.

Bobbi Kristina is not and has never been married to Nick Gordon. Nicci is that a surprise to you or did you understand that to be the case?

GILBERT-DANIELS: It is not a surprise to me at all. I mean, you know, young love. A lot of people refer to people as their husbands in social

media. So, I am glad that Bobbi Kristina did wait and did not in fact jump the broom with Nick. It does not mean that she did not love him any less

or that some day that could happen. I am not about ostracizing him.

PINSKY: You are not surprised that they were not married?

GILBERT-DANIELS: No, I was not.

PINSKY: Well, I just want to be sure, what we are getting statements from Bobbi Brown`s attorney and it seems the public sort to thought they were,

but here we go. They were not. That is the current information we have.

Next up. I got the behavior bureau. And, later, Bruce Jenner`s changing appearance is dominating the conversation in social media. We will jump

into it when we get back.

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PINSKY: They have been saying all along, it is limited brain function. They have not been saying brain dead. And, let us be clear, brain dead and

death are the same thing. You keep the body alive almost indefinitely, but everything else resides up in here.

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SCHACHER: Social media has been so harsh on her over the past three years, from her marrying the guy that she once thought of as her brother.

PINSKY: Which is weird.

SCHACHER: Right. But, also the things that they said to her about her talent when she finally put out that one YouTube video. They were so

brutal. "You are not your mother." You have no talent." I mean that has to weigh in on somebody.

PINSKY: Yes.

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PINSKY: That, of course, was from our aftershow, which we post to hlntv.com and on our Facebook page. It is /drdrew -- hlntv.com/dr.drew. I

am back with the behavior bureau. Karamo Brown, social worker and television host; Jennifer Keitt, life coach; Erica America, psychotherapist

and radio host.

Karamo, let me go to you first. What is your instinct on this? Accidental or intentional, if substances were involved and this was not a head injury,

this was not a seizure, this was not some sort of foul play?

KARAMO BROWN, SOCIAL WORKER/TELEVISION HOST: I definitely think this was an accident, but I think the accident happened because she is in the cycle

of addiction. She and her family -- she has been witnessing this behavior for a long time. And, I do not think that anybody properly rallied around

her and supported her and helped her to set clear boundaries to get better and define support that she needed.

PINSKY: Erica, I am going to ask you the same question.

ERICA AMERICA, PSYCHOTHERAPIST/RADIO HOST: Well, it could seem like it could be an accidental overdose. But, I actually really want the police to

rule out foul play from both the men that were there. The friend was actually accused of drugging his girlfriend.

So, that is just very, you know, a very fishy to me and I think that really needs to be looked at before we look at, you know, was it an overdose? It

all needs to be looked up very clearly.

PINSKY: And, Jennifer, in addition to overdose that they keep saying, she mentioned, strangely seizure during one of her "Lifetime" episodes that she

knew what the seizure was or something. And, then, of course, she could have fall and hit her head. There are other possibilities here but what

say you, Jennifer?

JENNIFER KEITT, LIFE COACH: There could be other possibilities, but Dr. Drew, I just do not think so. I think to piggyback on Karamo`s point, the

family structure, the family stuff that, you know, really kind of binds you, that keeps you together, it just was not there.

And, I am telling you, it absolutely breaks my heart. I got kids this age and I know that from 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, you are trying to find yourself.

You are trying to establish who you are and it just does not seem that she had the wherewithal.

I think I am saddened too, that the family structure that is left, you know, after Whitney`s death, where was their capability of being able to

pull together as a family and really strengthen at this time of loss? It is just --

PINSKY: That is right.

KEITT: Families and healthy families are just so important. I just -- my heartbreaks. My heartbreaks for her.

PINSKY: Yes. You know, as -- I am sure everyone in my panel knows, when you look at the contributing factors to bad outcomes for adolescence,

connectedness keep coming up over and over again. Connected the family, connected to parents, connected to school, connected to teachers. And, if

they are pushing back, the outcomes go bad. I got another --

KEITT: I mean who was there? I am sorry.

PINSKY: Go ahead, Jennifer.

KEITT: Who was there when social media was bullying her? She had no one. It almost seems like and unfortunately, we are seeing this a tragedy right

now.

PINSKY: Erica?

AMERICA: Yes -- No, I completely agree. This was a high-risk situation, especially after her mother died. She needed to have support more than

ever from not only family but positive friends, a community support like therapy, all of that stuff.

And, unfortunately, we do not know if that was there. I mean who were the friends that were around her? I mean this guy was a potential drug dealer.

We do not know yet.

PINSKY: Right.

AMERICA: So, we have to find out what was going on with her.

PINSKY: Karamo?

BROWN: What we can see and we do know for a fact from interviews and other things we have witnessed in the media is that her family was in denial and

that is what kept this going. People were constantly in denial and no one want to accept the fact that this young girl was screaming out for help.

The videos, everything she is ever put out there was saying, someone, "Please help me." And, no one wanted to acknowledge that. And , if they

did, they did not go -- we should not be hearing a statement almost a year later from her father that she was actually not married. That is an issue.

PINSKY: Yes. Let us show you another clip from "Lifetime" where Kristina is discussing the night her mom died and then she brings up this issue of

seizure. Watch this.

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BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: It feels so weird without mom. I was just like sitting there like, what? -- Like why? I want to sleep. That is all I

want to do.

NICK GORDON, HOUSTON`S FAMILY FRIEND: It is like the worst - like thing ever.

BOBBI KRISTINA BROWN: That has ever happened.

He came and he got me. I was not breathing. My heart stopped. I think I had like a seizure or something.

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PINSKY: What do you think, Jennifer? Is it possible this could have been a seizure?

KEITT: Do you think that it could have been maybe even a panic attack? I mean what our mind and our brain and everything that is going at that same

time, Dr. Drew, I am not sure would she know what a seizure is or would she just not have the coping skills and the coping mechanisms when life is

closing down in on her?

What does a panic attacks feel like? What is it feel like when you just cannot breath because life is so very difficult. I would describe that

possibly as a seizure. I am not sure.

PINSKY: Yes. That is a great point. Erica, she is saying that -- just to clarify, some people think panic attacks are seizures. And, so, again, we

are just trying to get out head on what --

AMERICA: Or heart attacks.

PINSKY: Or heart attacks. That is right. Now, there was an incident three weeks ago with Max Lomas fighting with his girlfriend. We have

talked about that earlier. And, then the guy who found Bobbie Kristina -- He is one of the guys that found her in the bathtub when the police were

called because -- yet another fight was reported when they went out there and no one was there.

So, there has been a lot of chaos in this family. There have awful then scores of reports about her psychiatric history. There is questions about

whether she has been hospitalized. None of it can be independently confirmed. And, there is lots of parallels to what is being reported now.

So, here is my concern. Here is what I am thinking. This panel I think is on to something here. There seems to be a pattern here that suggests

substances have been an issue. And, as always when substances are an issue and somebody ends up in - a young person ends up in a medical situation.

If -- you know we hear these crazy spins all the time from celebrities saying they are dehydrated or they were fatigued or they were exhausted, so

they went in the hospital. If somebody has a history of substances and you hear something like that, it is always a substance-related hospitalization.

And, now here we have a situation where somebody is found in a bizarre situation eerily similar to her mother`s death, just a few years ago. The

question becomes, was it something intentional or not? I am fearful that it was not. It was inadvertent. It may have been deeply inadvertent.

She may have been taking medication as prescribed. Just took a little bit of alcohol on top of that, a little more than she was prescribed. And that

is enough to have somebody passing out in a bathtub. It is a very serious condition.

We have been talking about it. We have said it in every block so far that these substances kill. And, when my patients die these days, it is usually

around prescriptions. So, i will be looking for that. Changing gears, thank you, panels.

Next up, Bruce Jenner`s drastically different looks. We will talk about the changes in his appearance and what possibly is going on there.

And, then later, "American Sniper" setting records at the box office. Why so controversial, then? Back after this.

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PINSKY (voice-over): What is going on with Bruce Jenner?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (1): The number one search is Bruce Jenner. People cannot get enough of the Olympic gold medalist turned Kardashian`s

stepfather.

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KRIS JENNER, KIM KARDASHIAN`S MOTHER: So, we are having a good time and there is a lot going on, as you can probably imagine.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (2): So, there has been so much buzz about Bruce Jenner`s changing appearance and now "People" magazine quotes an

unnamed source who says that Jenner is transitioning to a woman.

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KIM KARDASHIAN, KRIS JENNER`S DAUGHTER: He is our dad, so we support him no matter what.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (3): This was something very big to find out about their father. But, they are incredibly supportive and their number

one priority is that he is happy.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Several sources are reporting that Olympic gold medalist turned Kim Kardashian`s stepfather will star in an upcoming

documentary style series for E! and that he will sit down for an interview with Diane Sawyer.

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PINSKY: Now, we cannot independently confirm reports about Bruce Jenner. His interview with Dianne Sawyer is still months away, but is trending big

on Twitter. I am back with Sam, Claudia, Loni. On the phone, I have Radar Online`s Editorial Director, Dylan Howard.

And, Radar Online reports that Bruce Jenner`s mother confirms her son is transitioning to becoming a woman, saying, quote, "I just learned about his

transition. I am more proud of him now than when he stood on that podium and I put the gold medal around his neck. I just love him like I always

have." Dylan, what else do you learn from Esther Jenner?

DYLAN HOWARD, RADAR ONLINE`S EDITORIAL DIRECTOR: Well, Dr. Drew, this is after months of speculation including the changing appearance. But, Dr.

Drew, the 88-year-old, Esther Jenner has given way -- or made way for the confirmation, I could say, about Bruce`s transition.

She goes on to say that Bruce instilled a lot of confidence and faith in her over the years. And, that she feels more proud of him than she ever

has. She goes on to confirm that she did not know about these struggles, her words, not ours, until recently.

But, she has insisted that she is indeed proud of him and she does seem concerned that indeed Bruce will make this announcement in a television

appearance. She said that Bruce confided in her that that is going to take place on a network.

And I can also tell you tonight, Dr. Drew, that Bruce will sit down with a network news anchor as soon as this weekend in which he is going to confirm

this coming out, if you would like, to everybody his transitioning from a male to a female.

PINSKY: Dylan, let me ask you this. Is he ok? Does his mom tell you about his mental state? Is this going well for him?

HOWARD: Well, she said that Bruce, if he can help other people with these emotional problems, then this will be a good thing. She actually stated

that she did not know too much about the inner struggle that he had for some time.

Clearly, of course, there must be some form of struggle in him -- for him to make this decision. She said she was not acutely aware of it but had

said that she supports him wholeheartedly. She went on to say, quote, "I just love him like I always have."

PINSKY: Dylan, thanks so much for that report. Sam, the people around Bruce Jenner, what are they saying about the speculation?

SCHACHER: Well, first of all, dr. Drew, I did learn from a number of sources that he was seeing a therapist for some time in regard to the

process of transitioning into a woman.

So, that is a good sign. As far as his reps seen, I did reach out to his reps and they will not confirm anything at this moment. Also, E!

Entertainment reached out to them. No comment. Representatives for Kim -- Kim Kardashian and Kris have said no comment. But, I am so happy to hear

that his mother, Esther, is so supportive, as she should be.

PINSKY: And, people have been talking about this drastic change over the years. As we look at him, we can see right here, he was photographed

outside of Starbucks in Los Angeles. If you guys can play that. But, Loni, he is certainly not hiding this transition. I mean anybody watching

could certainly see something had changed.

COOMBS: Right. And, people watching this, especially over the last year or so. You know, his Adam`s apple changed. He is growing his hair out

very long. His birthday, he showed up with a bright manicure on his fingers. So, little bit here and there sort of to ease people into it I

think.

But, look, going back into when he was an Olympic athlete, that is what we all remember him as, as a stud and always had hot girlfriends and wives.

And, so this a change for everyone, for the public, for his family, for his ex-wife, for his mother.

And, it takes a little bit of time for people to sort of get used to it. And, so the way he has done this over the past year, little by little. At

first it was a little shocking. You saw all the reports that Bruce has done something else.

And, people are getting more accepting of it. And, I think that, that might be part of his therapy for him and for the people around him to ease

into this and then be able to make that big step where he actually makes the physical transformation.

PINSKY: And, so, Claudia, Loni is making the case that this has been handled rather well, because we are all becoming sort of accustomed to

this. But, I think the intention is, again, the justification of this international athlete with this new information.

JORDAN: I am really curious as if -- whether something happened along the way. Because I have friends that are transgender and they tell me -- the

ones that I have friends with have told me that this is something that they felt early on in their life.

PINSKY: Yes.

JORDAN: It was not something that will happen like in mid-life. So, I wonder if there was some kind of incident that made him change the way he

felt about himself in his masculinity. And, if he felt, you know, like you do not usually see this in someone that is at his age. It is something

that, you know, where you grew up feeling you were not in the right body.

PINSKY: Right.

JORDAN: I am kind of curious as to how he came to this point of life.

PINSKY: Well, Claudia, two points. I mean I think this is entering the public`s consciousness now. I mean the television series transparent with

specifically about someone in this sort of age bracket. So, it is not unheard of.

And, next up, I have a surgeon who herself transitioned from a man to a woman. And, I will ask her whether she sees men this age typically and

whether or not they are aware of much of their life or if it is a new sort of revelation that they have come to.

And, later, we have "American Sniper." Do you hate it? Do you love it? We will debate the controversial film. We are all over social media.

Please remember to check us out on Instagram. Be right back.

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PINSKY: We have this just in. CNN has received a statement from the attorney for Max Lomas. He is the man with an alleged arrest record, said

that have been with Bobbi Kristina Brown when she was found in the bath tub.

Here it is, quote, "Mr. Lomas` widely reported recent arrest is completely unrelated to the incident that occurred at Ms. Brown`s residence. There is

absolutely no relationship between the two events. He is pleaded not guilty to those charges. Mr. Lomas has not been accused of anything in

connection with Bobbi Kristina`s injuries and is a witness in this investigation. Mr. Lomas` main focus is on Ms. Brown`s full recovery and

he continues to pray for her and her entire family throughout this tragedy."

That just in. We are now Changing back to our behavior bureau. We have Karamo, Jennifer, Erica. We have been discussing the Kardashian patriarch

Bruce Jenner and ongoing speculation and some new information that he may be transitioning to a female.

We cannot independently confirm any of these reports, however. I am going to speak now to a surgeon who performs gender reassignment surgeries, who,

herself, transitioned from man to woman. But, first, I want to play for you Bruce Jenner`s appearance on CNN`s "Larry King Live" in 2010 with his

ex-wife, Kris, stepdaughters Kim and Kourtney and comedian George Lopez as the host. Take a look at this.

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GEORGE KOURTNEY, HOST AND COMEDIAN: How do you keep up?

BRUCE JENNER, KRIS KARDASHIAN`S EX-HUSBAND: I am just glad --

KOURTNEY: -- with the Kardashians.

JENNER: There is no way to keep up with it. I am just glad that the world can see what I have been going through for all these years, you know?

KRIS KARDASHIAN, BRUCE`S EX-WIFE: Oh my God.

JENNER: I get so much sympathy when I get out on the road. People always came up, "Bruce, how do you deal with all of that?" No, I am very

fortunate. I have a very loving family.

We are very close. And -- yes, I mean there is a lot of characters. A lot personalities that we deal with. So, I know a lot of things are happening,

but I do my best to try to keep everything calm.

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PINSKY: Jennifer, it is a lot of stress back then. Again, all of this issue of being in the public eye and this juxtaposition of masculinity and

now this new information. Your thoughts?

KEITT: My thoughts is that marrying into the most estrogen-ridden sexual family, I wonder if that is something that kind of triggered this. I have

to be totally honest with you, I mean going through all of these years watching him as this masculine man and then kind of transition to where he

is now, all things aside, I get that his kids are for him. I absolutely support what he is doing, but I would be pissed if I was his ex-wife. I

really would. Because these kinds of things, to me --

PINSKY: OK. Hold on.

KEITT: Why have not you be dealing with that all along.

PINSKY: Maybe they were, but let us Karamo speak on this one.

BROWN: Yes. I know. We got to stop this right now, because what is happening right here is there is a lot of transphobic language is

happening. Saying that his masculinity that if he was to do something that I would not support him. We have to stop this.

We do not know if this is just Bruce`s way of having a sort of gender expression. And, saying that he was a stud in the last block, in the last

segment or saying that he was this way. He was better off as a man. These things have to stop.

PINSKY: Yes.

BROWN: And, no point has Bruce acknowledged what type of gender pronoun would he want and no point has he acknowledge that he is transitioning.

PINSKY: Right. So, let me bring on the phone, Marci Bowers, who is a surgeon that specializes in gender reassignment. She had made the

transition herself. Now, Dr. Bowers, what are your thoughts on this case?

MARCI BOWERS, GENDER REASSIGNMENT SURGEON: Well, it is an honor to talk to you, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Thank you.

BOWERS: You know, this is challenging for the family, no question about it. But as far as Bruce`s thoughts, this is not likely to be something

that was impulsive or estrogen driven or from being surrounded by beautiful, beautiful family members. This is probably something that has

been with Bruce since a very, very early age, which is what we find in almost 90 percent of our patients.

PINSKY: OK. So, Dr. Bowers, that is very helpful, because that is what I was thinking. The man is in his 60s and he comes forward. It is not as,

though, he just realized this. He just now has the courage to really be clear about something he has been aware of for a long time.

BOWERS: Absolutely. I mean we find probably a quarter of our patients that are at least age 50 and it is not because they just suddenly come to

the realization. It is because they have oftentimes fought these feelings for years and years. And, if anything, have suppressed them to keep

society happy, to keep their family members happy, which I imagine Bruce has struggled with over the years as well.

PINSKY: And, another area of confusion that people have, too, is they have trouble separating gender identity with sexual orientation. That is

another area that I think we will learn about with Bruce as time goes on.

BOWERS: Yes. I think he is done a really responsible thing and that he is going to take control and ownership of the process and hopefully he is

going to teach us all. But, yes, gender identity is who you feel yourself to be and sexuality is simply who you love. So, it does not necessarily

correlate, you know, male attracted to woman, you know, et cetera. It is - - gender identity is who you are and who you feel to be, male or female.

PINSKY: Well, Dr. Bowers, thank you so much. If this indeed turns out to be the case, again, we cannot confirm any of this. I hope we will be able

to check in with you again as this story unfolds.

Next up, thank you panel, the film "American Sniper" is generating a lot of love and hate. Which side are you on? You can go to HLN to go -- you can

get HLN To go and watch us anywhere anytime with our HLN to go app. Back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: The most lethal sniper in United States military history. He had at least 160 confirmed kills during four tours of

duty in the Iraq war.

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CHRIS KYLE, U.S. NAVY SEAL: Every shot I took, I felt extremely justified.

We let our job identify who we are and it is heroic and we are doing it for the greater good.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: If you think he is reporting movement. You have a green light. Your call.

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CHRIS KYLE: It is like you are a savage or something.

My only regret is the guys I could not save.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Loni and Karamo. The movie "American Sniper" is dividing into camps, those who think Chris Kyle was a brave hero and those

who think he may have been a boastful killer. Has the movie lifted him to a hero, a status that maybe he does not deserve, Karamo, or should he be a

hero?

BROWN: It has lifted him to a status of being a hero and he is not. I despise the fact that we are glorifying a man that has killed 160 people.

That is not what I am about. If there was any community where someone killed 160, we would damn him and want him in jail. We would not make a

movie out of his life.

COOMBS: Yes.

PINSKY: Loni.

COOMBS: But, it is war. I mean, look, I do not like war at all. But, if you are going to have a war and you are going to send people in there, your

brothers, your sisters, your mothers and fathers to go fight it, you want them to win. You want them to be good at what they are sent in to do.

And, they are sent in to kill. I think that is why this movie is touchy. Everybody is passionate about it. We have to focus on what do we really

feel about all the killing that goes on in war because that is what they do.

PINSKY: Chris Kyle wrote about the loving to kill the bad guys and hating Iraqis. He called them savages. Sam, the bragging bugs you does not it?

SCHACHER: Yes. Obviously, Dr. Drew. When he said those things, I thought it was horrific. I thought it was terrible. But, this is somebody that

sacrificed their life for our freedom. And, we do not know what it is like to walk a mile in his shoes.

We do not know what it is like to be shot out. We do not know what it is like to watch your friends die around you or in your arms. We do not know

what it is like to be lying there as a sniper for days enduring the elements and being feared for your life.

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: So, until one of us walk a mile in his shoes, I do not think that have any leg to stand on.

PINSKY: And, Karamo, listen, if that guy could stand a couple hundred yards away from the people that lit the Jordanian pilot on fire, I would

like him to take couple of shots, would not you?

BROWN: No, I would not. I mean I am not someone who is going to sit here and say that I want anyone killing someone else. But, I will express to

you is that the fact that as what Sam said, I have not walked in this man`s shoes.

But, what I do not appreciate is how boastful he is. People die. And, though he says that he believes that everyone was wrong, we do not know if

some of those people were innocent or not. And, I cannot sit here in my heart as a Christian man and say that I am OK with these people dying. It

does not work for me.

COOMBS: But, you can sit there and we can sit here and be safe in our little houses here --

PINSKY: Yes.

COOMBS: -- because there is somebody out there on the line doing that having to make the tough decisions, having to pull the trigger and you know

what? Maybe that is the way that he lives with all of that is he boasts about it, because otherwise it would be too painful to really focus on what

happened out there.

PINSKY: And, there are critics like Michael Moore called that Kyle a coward and described his tours in Iraq askilling sprees. Sam, you know,

how do you reconcile this? Loni says, thank God, we should not go to war ever.

COOMBS: Right.

SCHACHER: Dr. Drew - Right.

BROWN: Bingo.

SCHACHER: Who knows what mentality soldiers have to adopt so that they can survive. War is horrific. These poor soldiers are either coming back in

body bags or they are coming back as shells of themselves because then they have to deal with PTSD.

And, a lot of them self-medicated in various about it. It could be boasting about it. It could be alcoholism. It could be suicide. It is so

sad, but I do not think we have any right to criticize this guy because of everything he is done for our country and ourselves.

PINSKY: Loni, do you think by holding him up as a hero, we are missing some of the reality of his flaws. You know, is it OK to hold him up to

scrutiny and call him a hero?

COOMBS: You know, I think it is good to look at him and to see what real life is like. What it is like when you are out there and what it is like

when you come back. And, the impact that it has on these people when they are coming back.

How they try to reintegrate with their families and deal with real life here. So, I do not like the labels. I do not like the hero. I do not

like the demon.

SCHACHER: Me too.

COOMBS: I like to look at the emotions and how we can help these people deal with life when they come back from what they expressed.

PINSKY: Karamo, ten seconds, last word.

BROWN: I just have to say that I have to completely disagree. What we have done here is we have not focus on what he has done. We have focused

on the fact that he is a hero and that him killing people is great.

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