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Manhunt Over: Hannah Graham Still Missing; "F It, I Quit" Reporter is Here

Aired September 24, 2014 - 21:00   ET

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, prime-time exclusive. The reporter who walked off the air on live television is here

with me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And as for this job -- well, not that I have a choice, but (EXPLETIVE DELETED) it, I quit.

PINSKY: She`s defending her dramatic exit and her use of marijuana.

Plus, a "Modern Family" star claims she was physically and verbally abused for years by her boyfriend.

Let`s get started.

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PINSKY: Sam, breaking news in the case of the missing college student, Hannah Graham. Tell me about that.

SAM SCHACHER, CO-HOST: That`s right, Dr. Drew. The Charlottesville, Virginia, police chief, he just ended a press conference and he gave us

some new information. The suspect is now in custody, thank God.

PINSKY: That suspect was picked up in, was it, Galveston, Texas?

SCHACHER: It was close to Galveston, Texas, yeah. I think about 25 miles away from there.

PINSKY: He is 32-year-old Jesse Matthew, charged with abduction with intent to defile. He was caught on the beach, apparently, in Galveston,

Texas, area. Take a look at this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Eleven days since University of Virginia sophomore, Hannah Graham, was last seen. Now, this missing persons case

has been taken to another level, kidnapping. Prosecutors believe Hannah was abducted by Jesse Matthew for an immoral purpose. According to police,

surveillance video shows Matthew putting his arm around the 18-year-old.

POLICE: We`re here tonight to announce that because of the collaborative efforts of the federal bureau of investigation and state and

local law enforcement across this nation, Jesse Matthew is in custody in Galveston, Texas. We don`t, at present, have any information as to what

may have prompted Mr. Matthew to head to that part of the country.

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PINSKY: Joining us, Vanessa Barnett from hiphollywood.com, Mike Eiglarsh, attorney at speaktomark.com, Evy Poumpouras, former special agent

with Secret Service.

Sam, what else have we learned in the last 24 hours?

SCHACHER: Yes ah, well, keep in mind he had that those two counts of reckless driving right? Also, from 2007 to 2010, he had a taxi permit and

this is why it`s ironic, because from 2001 and in 2007, court records show 22 criminal filings for traffic violations, speeding, running the light,

failed inspections, no seat belt, and no shows in court. And also, he had civil judgments dating back to 2008, totaling almost $10,000.

PINSKY: Our affiliate, WVIR, discovered video of Mr. Matthew from the day before he allegedly abducted Hannah. How, here it is, where he is

working with an elite private high school football team. There he is on the left. He`s helping the coaching staff. The school has ultimately --

has subsequently sent a letter home to parents saying, they have done their due diligence with appropriate background checks.

Evy, after the press conference, a couple questions. A, do you think they really did do the proper background checking? And, B, do you have any

sense of how they probably got this guy?

EVY POUMPOURAS, FORMER SPECIAL AGENT, SECRET SERVICE: Well, first, with regard to background checks, even if you do a really good job, let`s

assume the person maybe has no criminal history. That doesn`t mean someone`s not capable of committing a crime, but here we had somebody who

had a lot of indications, to include some assault arrests on his history and they didn`t catch that because it`s a school, it`s coaching. And if

you read it, they say, look, we interviewed him and checked his references. That means nothing.

This is another learning point for everybody out there. Do not put the onus on other institutions or entities to do due diligence for you.

Don`t assume everybody`s OK just because they say you don`t know what kind of background checks they are doing on people.

PINSKY: Yes. And I would think if you rely on a previous employer, you run into employment laws, Mark, is that right? People can`t really

speak too honestly about what they think or maybe find out about somebody if they have let them go, can they?

MARK EIGLARSH, ATTORNEY: That`s correct. No, they cannot be too honest under the law.

Here`s the question, though. Evy`s advice is perfect and germane, if the guy is guilty. Forgive me for not picking up my pitchfork right away,

like everybody else. I like to make a decision based on what the evidence is. So far, they have been very tight-lipped. We know they went to the

house and pulled out some kind of clothing, but there`s no way they could have gotten DNA that quickly. So, they must have something else.

I`m not saying he`s innocent. I`m no flag-waving liberal defense lawyer. I`m just saying I haven`t heard anything yet that convinces me

that he is guilty, other than the police believing he is.

PINSKY: And, Mark, what do you think they meant by "defile"? I`m not sure, is that a technical term or just what my imagination leads me to

think? And do you have any belief or any suspicion that this poor girl is still alive?

EIGLARSH: Well, first of all, it refers to a sexual act. And secondly, there`s a chance she`s alive. I mean, I`m a glass half full kind

of guy. I certainly hope so.

My gut, unfortunately, sadly, tells me that she`s probably not. This guy understands that the system, the criminal system, is based upon

witnesses and, again, fewer witnesses, less evidence, assuming he`s guilty.

PINSKY: Vanessa, can parents learn anything from this story?

VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Oh, absolutely. I just, I do not want to blame the victim. Let me say that first and foremost, but we

have a situation where we have a young girl, who is allegedly assumed to be intoxicated, literally running up and down the street, texting her friend

she is lost. This is not a safe situation from the jump.

And you have these -- where are your friends? Why aren`t they coming to your rescue? They`re so broken up now, but where were they when they

needed you? And where were your parents to teach you that these kind of things aren`t smart?

No matter how safe you feel on your college campus or in your neighborhood, we are in a day and age where you can`t trust everybody, you

can`t trust anybody. So, I just think this girl kind of set herself up for something kind of -- she put herself in a very bad situation.

EIGLARSH: It`s too soon, too soon.

SCHACHER: Yes, not -- I don`t even want to begin that talk. Yes, of course, as young women and young men, we can take every caution possible.

But sometimes when you`re 17, 18 years old, you`re not thinking all the time. And that`s not an excuse, but I don`t also want to say that she

somehow set herself up for this.

But I want to change the focus to this guy because, listen, I know you don`t want to persecute him, Mark. But it`s crazy to me. Because even

though we don`t have the evidence, he`s almost painted himself, even before he was officially charged, he made himself look guilty by hiring an

attorney, by not cooperating with police, by jetting away from that police station. And he`s charged with reckless driving, by going on the run. To

me --

EIGLARSH: Whoa, whoa, whoa.

SCHACHER: -- that looks like a guilty person. I`m sorry.

PINSKY: Makes sense to me. We said this about O.J. Simpson running away. Oh, look, he`s trying to escape, he must be guilty.

SCHACHER: What are you hiding? What are you hiding?

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BARNETT: They said he was guilty before they even got him. Like, look at the way they spun it in the media. I don`t know if he`s innocent

or guilty, but the way they delivered the news, they know they have this high-profile case and they want it shut immediately, so they have put the

focus on this man and they`re telling people, whether they realize it or not, that he is the guilty one. So, going to that police department, of

course he wants a lawyer. He doesn`t know what to do.

SCHACHER: Absolutely!

PINSKY: Well, Evy, do you have any sense how they might have got this guy? Any sort of -- your professional training give you a sense of how to

read between the lines of how they captured him?

POUMPOURAS: Sometimes I think it happens by mistake, that when somebody has a warrant out for them or even if there`s erratic driving,

just even somebody`s suspicious behavior, sometimes just by accident, you can find somebody, or just an officer doing due diligence, watching him,

observing that behavior and then following up, asking for ID, and that type of behavior.

I want to say one thing to Mark. Mark, all these different things we`re seeing, they are called clues. OK?

SCHACHER: Yes.

POUMPOURAS: So when you walk in and you want a lawyer and you disappear, stand by, and drive away erratically and then you end up in

Texas, those are all clues.

EIGLARSH: That`s not proof of anything.

POUMPOURAS: And shame -- doesn`t mean he`s guilty --

EIGLARSH: It`s called reasonable doubt, Evy.

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POUMPOURAS: And that`s why they need to speak to him. But we`re not talking about guilt, we`re talking about following the clues to conclude

the case.

SCHACHER: Amen, girl!

PINSKY: We`ve got to go.

POUMPOURAS: And finding this girl!

PINSKY: Evy, stay with me. I want to bring in the behavior bureau. People have described this guy as a gentle giant. We`ll have the behavior

bureau analyze that.

And later, the woman who walked off her job over cannabis. There she is, she dropped an F-bomb and flew out of there in the middle of a live

broadcast. And she is back here with us tonight in a prime-time exclusive to discuss.

Back after this.

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SPIRIT: If you make stupid choices, you can become a victim. You don`t drink yourself into a stupor and think, so sorry, nobody should take

advantage of me.

WENDY WALSH: It`s not about changing drinking ages, it`s about educating young men and women about the distinct biological differences in

the way that women metabolize alcohol compared to men.

POUMPOURAS: I don`t care how much you educate people, you`re never going to get rid of this. This is going to exist. That`s just reality.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam. My new behavior bureau, including Judy Ho, clinical psychologist, professor of Pepperdine University, Erica America,

TV host, psychotherapist, Evy Poumpouras stays with us.

Jesse Matthew has been caught and is in Galveston county jail. His lawyer, the same one whom had met with him at the police station before he

fled confirmed to reporters that he will continue to represent him, but would not take questions. Take a look.

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REPORTER: We hear he`s a good person. And that he`s a gentle giant and that he helps people. No one will say that on camera.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m his attorney and I was hired on Saturday.

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PINSKY: Judy, if those sorts of things are true about him, what do we speculate might have gone wrong here?

JUDY HO, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, this is the thing, Dr. Drew. We don`t know if he did this yet, but if he did, he may have some of the

characteristics that we have talked about in the show of a sociopath. If that`s the truth, then sociopaths are very charming. They`re very good at

getting close to people. They seem helpful, they can make a connection with people very easily, it seems, at least on the surface.

So, I`m not surprised that we`re hearing some of these things, especially if he`s a suspect.

PINSKY: And again, Judy, we don`t know this guy.

But, Erica, Judy`s got a point, because we see this criminal behavior on one hand, and on the other, we have a charming, entertaining guy, that

kind of make that case a little bit, doesn`t it?

ERICA AMERICA, TV HOST: I`m with you. You absolutely can have impulses to hurt someone to be a pedophile, to murder someone, and have an

amazing personality. That`s for sure.

But I also want to say, there`s no place for blaming a victim in a situation like this. I want to say, the night that this girl had sounds

like every college night out that all of my friends had. You go from one party to the next, you`re a little bit drunk.

The only difference is that she was alone. And so, I think like the college is doing, they have to support buddy systems. But the girl did not

do anything really that crazy that allowed her to get into this crazy -- it was bad timing and, unfortunately, you know, we`re hoping she`s still

alive, but, you know, unfortunately, these stories don`t end so well.

PINSKY: I love the reveals on my show. All my patients talk about using just a little alcohol. I really don`t use too much.

But, so, draw conclusions Erica, about that.

But, Sam, you`re very defensive or concerned about us blaming the victim, but let`s make an important point here, which is that personal

responsibility has a role if we`re going to teach anything from this story. And two, if you want to look at -- I said this last night -- any adverse

outcome on a college campus, always includes use of alcohol. Sam?

SCHACHER: Yes, I agree with you, 100 percent, Dr. Drew. Here`s the thing. We almost as women have to consider ourselves prey. And I hate

that. And we have to take every necessary precaution, mace and -- it`s true, Dr. Drew! One in four women by the time they graduate college will

be a victim of sexual assault. So, you better believe you train yourself with some self-defense.

PINSKY: But that goes back to what Wendy was saying, that we`ve got to educate our males different, to raise our males differently.

SCHACHER: Of course. Let`s not be naive, either.

PINSKY: Some more breaking information, Sam. This just in: the NBC affiliate in Houston reports, according to Galveston County Judge Mark

Henry, deputies received a call about a suspicious person camping in a tent on the beach. A deputy responded and ran license plate of the suspicious

person`s vehicle. The license plate came back as, quote, "hot, or wanted."

So there`s some detail about what we think might have happened in this case. Evy, I want to go to you. Last night, you said that parents the

need to teach their kids. And we had a lot of tweets during the day today about what exactly is your specific advice to parents, to learn something,

to get something out of this tragedy, that parents can do with their own kids.

POUMPOURAS: Parents need to start at a young age. You can`t wait until your child hits their teens and then start educate them. You have to

start young. Start with something fall. We teach fire drills at school. Fire is bad for you, evacuate a building. We take something like that

that`s serious and make it benign.

How about this -- telling your children, this is what I want you to do when mommy and daddy aren`t around. But parents are so protective of their

children, saying, no, I`m going to protect my child. Teach your child what to do when you`re not there.

If someone goes up to them, it doesn`t matter what this person says to you or how much they say they know me or dad or whoever, you don`t go with

them. You yell, you scream, you say, out loud, you`re not my mommy, you`re not my daddy.

If you get lost and I`m not around, you go find another mommy with children and tell her, hi, I`m lost.

These are the things you need to do and start with children when they`re young. And gradually, you can let them know, slowly, the

increasing dangers that exist out in the real world, without scaring them.

PINSKY: And finally, what you`ll do is scare the bejesus out of them by telling them, go get their go package together, their go bag, in case we

need to go -- I`m taking it to heart, Evy.

SCHACHER: Yes. But Evy`s right. A few years ago, more than a few years ago, when I was in college, Dr. Drew, I was followed home in the

middle of the day. And I was taking a back path and I knew I was being followed around, and I turned around with all the assertiveness in me, and

I screamed, "What the F do you want? I`m on the phone with the cops," of course, and I wasn`t. But I just wanted to them if they`re going to

approach me, that they`re going to also have to fight me. And the guy hightailed it out of there, whether it was a Joe Schmo who unfortunately

had the same path as me or it really was a predator, but better safe than sorry.

PINSKY: And, Sam, a column was posted to Forbes.com I guess it was today, and quickly pulled down, that caused quite an uproar. Tell me

quickly about that.

SCHACHER: So, quickly, I have the cached version of it, which is still available online. You can see for yourself. The headline says,

quote, "Drunk female guests are the gravest threat to fraternities." The writer is the president of the alumni house corporation of his fraternity.

And he was fired, but he does stand by what he wrote.

PINSKY: Well, I think what he`s saying -- you know, I read the article, I read sort of some of the outtakes.

AMERICA: He`s right, but --

PINSKY: Well, it`s very distressing. And I think what he should be saying, and I was thinking about it, he means something good in there

somewhere, and what he should be saying is, if you can`t -- if you can`t be responsible for yourself and your body and your safety, you need to get out

of here. Not that she`s a risk to the fraternity, that she needs some help.

We need to put her in a car and get her home. And that`s what the men should be doing. And frankly, you should escort her home, if you want to

do what`s right, we`re going to have trouble not raping, not having sex with this girl.

By the way, he didn`t understand in the article, if he were to have sex with her, he would be guilty of rape in just about every state now.

You cannot render consent when you`re intoxicated.

Next, she quit her job on live television. Speaking of intoxication, we`re talking about pot. She`s here. It`s a prime-time exclusive.

And later, a "Modern Family" star takes legal action against an ex she says nearly killed her, choked her. Back after this.

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CHARLO GREENE, POT ADVOCATE: Now, everything you heard is why I, the actual owner of the Alaska Cannabis Club, will be dedicating all of my

energy towards fighting for freedom and fairness, which begins with legalizing marijuana here in Alaska. And as for this job -- well, not that

I have a choice, but, (EXPLETIVE DELETED) it, I quit.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right, we apologize for that. We`ll be -- we`ll be right back. Me -- pardon for us.

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PINSKY: OK. I`m back with Sam, Kailey (INAUDIBLE), political commentator is here. Mark Eiglarsh with me.

That was former KATV reporter and marijuana activist, Charlo Greene. She quit her job to focus on the legal reform for recreational marijuana in

Alaska.

She joins me now in a primetime exclusive.

Charlo, thanks so much for being here.

So can you tell me what happened right after you quit? What was the reaction in your community and your coworkers?

GREENE: Well, my workers, we work with a skeleton staff on the weekends, so there really wasn`t too much reaction, except one of the

higher-ups, Trent, he came out there yelling, oh, my gosh, you just broke the law, what did you do?

And then he escorted me out of the building. So, that`s as far as that went.

But as far as the community, which is what all of this is really about, how they reacted is just overwhelming. If you would have seen what

happened yesterday at a public hearing held by Lieutenant Governor Mead Treadwell, Alaskans were out in droves. They were finally angry, they were

finally speaking out. And fighting, fighting for what is right.

So, whether or not you like the package that the message was sent in, as long as you received the message, which is that it is time for marijuana

reform here in Alaska and across the nation, and then beyond that, it is what it is.

PINSKY: And so, was this sort of a calculated moment for you, or was it something where you just had a moment where you just had to do it? Or

was it something calculated to have the kind of impact it eventually did?

GREENE: It was calculated. Start to finish. Except for the F-bomb. That was -- that was --

PINSKY: And any of the panelists have any questions for Charlo?

EIGLARSH: Yes, I have a question.

GREENE: I mean --

EIGLARSH: First of all, were you high when you did it? That`s my first question. And second of all, did you think that it really drew

attention to the issue, the important issue of legalizing marijuana more than more than the fact that some beautiful woman said the F-word on live

television.

PINSKY: And let me follow along, tell us what the actual situation is with Alaska as well? They have medical marijuana and you want it

completely legalized.

GREENE: Well, it`s not that we have medical marijuana. Alaskans voted to legalize medical marijuana back in 1998. Sixteen years later, we

still don`t have a single dispensary for these patients to get their medicine. That`s because the state, they`ve been sitting on their butts

this entire time. It`s almost like a cache-22. Like they said, hey, while the people wanted medical marijuana, the people knew this was right, the

people knew this could help, they decided to do this, but, F it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, but Charlo, this is --

PINSKY: Kailey?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, Charlo, legalization of marijuana should not be left to the popular vote. This is a health issue that should be

left to the FDA. I have a Drug Enforcement Agency right here, 63-page report on the terrible effects of marijuana, one of which is when you start

in your adolescence and continue forward, you lose the equivalence of eight IQ points.

This is not to be left to the popular vote. It`s a bad thing that should be decided by the FDA and the federal government. So, there`s your

answer for why nothing has been do so far?

PINSKY: Charlo, what do you say to that?

GREENE: I would say, how about we ask the good doctor whether or not he believes in medical marijuana?

PINSKY: I think it`s ridiculous that physicians can`t use anything that they feel they need to use for their patients. And I`m very disturbed

by the idea of good drugs and bad drugs. I`m very disturbed by that. The idea that nicotine is a good drug and something else is a bad drug.

There`s no good drugs and bad drugs, there`s just chemicals that humans relate to. Look at OxyContin. If you`re a heroin addict, that`s a

terrible drug. If you have pancreatic cancer, it`s wonderful.

The same thing is true with alcohol. You love great wine, it can be an OK drug. But if you`re an alcoholic, it`s disastrous.

So, our thinking about drugs is very moralistic and very bizarre, I`ve got to say. Kailey --

(CROSSTALK)

GREENE: But you consider -- I`m sorry, Dr. Drew -- I`m talking. Do you consider marijuana as harmful as everything that you just mentioned,

alcohol and opiates, anything like that?

PINSKY: They`re each -- it depends who -- it depends. I mean, I think, you know, OxyContin is devastating for some people, but for some,

it`s extremely important.

(INAUDIBLE)

PINSKY: What`s that?

EIGLARSH: But to your point, I don`t think that you can plausibly analyze marijuana to serious pain medication --

GREENE: I was talking --

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PINSKY: But, Mark, you`re saying then that alcohol`s a good drug? Alcohol`s a good drug or nicotine`s a good drug, OxyContin you`re saying is

a bad drug. That doesn`t make sense?

EIGLARSH: The fact that alcohol -- no, no good, bad, right, or wrong. I don`t think that alcohol should be legal and marijuana should not.

That`s ridiculous.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s differences, Mark. There`s a big difference

PINSKY: Who`s talking, wait.

SCHACHER: I haven`t gotten in here.

PINSKY: Sam, then Kailey.

SCHACHER: I just want to respond to Kailey. I do understand that people are concerned that teens and young children, that legalizing

marijuana, it will make it more available to them. I get that, with their developing brains. They should not be on any sort of substance. Well,

news flash, pot is everywhere!

I would much rather have the states regulate it than these kids get it off the street. When I was in junior high in high school, you could get

it at the snap of your fingers. I would rather see the states benefit from the taxes. And, I am sick and tired of the decriminalization, Dr. Drew,

when these parents are going into jail for nonviolent crimes. That is destroying the families.

PINSKY: Yes. It is complicated, Sam. But, you know, in Colorado, they are testing this out and I am interested to see how this plays out for

them. They are seeing a bump-up with teens.

SCHACHER: OK. Fair enough.

PINSKY: What is interesting -- What is interesting, they are seeing a bump-up -- they are seeing a decrease in the perception of harm, and that

is generally been nationwide. And, yet there is generally a decrease in pot use in teenagers in the country. So, we are doing something right.

And, you are right. We have to watch our kids. Kayleigh?

KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR: Dr. Drew, I completely disagree; because, look, alcohol and marijuana are entirely different

substances. Alcohol, the intoxication goes away the next day, whereas marijuana, the residual effects linger anywhere from days to weeks,

impairing test scores, impairing cognitive ability. It is a very different substance.

SCHACHER: Alcohol is horrible!

MCENANY: Emergency room visit for illicit drugs -- 40 percent of emergency room visits for illicit drugs are marijuana related. This is not

good. It is not going to add for society. It is a bad thing and it is very different than alcohol.

SCHACHER: Do not make alcohol sound like -- make it sound like the alcohol is better.

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I will tell you this --

SCHACHER: That is not a comparison that you can draw.

EIGLARSH: True.

PINSKY: Mark?

EIGLARSH: I have never, never represented someone or prosecuted someone who broke into someone`s home to support their marijuana habit.

PINSKY: Right.

EIGLARSH: The fact that -- and again, I say this at my own peril, because I do a lot of business defending people accused of possessing

marijuana and growing it. It is illogical that we spent precious judicial resources and law enforcement resources prosecuting people who possess

weed.

PINSKY: Right. It is complex issue and I do not have a horse in the race, myself. I am fascinated by the whole thing. And, I am sympathetic

to both sides, because it is complicated.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: Let us get the Behavior Bureau in here and I hope Charlo can stay with me. I would like to keep her with me as well. And, later, we

are going to address Sarah Hyland, who says her ex-boyfriend physically and verbally abused her. We will explain what happened, after this.

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CHARLO GREENE, POT ADVOCATE: Advocating for freedom and fairness should be everyone`s duty. I am making it my life work. Just share your

own "My Marijuana Story." Show them that we smokers are responsible, contributing members to society, changing one heart and mind at a time is

the only way to legalize marijuana. And, as for this job, well, not that I have a choice, but [ (EXPLICIT WORD) it, I quit.

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PINSKY: I am back now with the Behavior Bureau, Judy, Erica, and Charlo Greene stays with us. Of course, Charlo is a reporter, who dropped

that F-bomb and quit her job on live television. Charlo, I have got some interesting sort of questions for you. People think that because I treat

addiction, somehow I am the buzz kill guy, and I am really not.

People want to smoke pot, that is on them or drink alcohol, whatever. If people want to do heroin, that is on them. If they want to stop,

though, and cannot, that is when I am interested in helping people. And, I have helped people with all kinds of drugs including pot, to help them

stop. But, not very many people get that addicted to pot that they need my help.

Now, my question to you is -- and, Kayleigh brought something interesting up. She goes, "Well, there are all these health issues with

pot in which I do not disagree with," but she has that FDA or health problems should be left to the government to adjudicate laws.

I am not sure that is true. In the law, something more with the people want to create and should the people have the last say in what kind

of laws they live under? Is that what you are saying?

GREENE: I mean, of course. I think that is what she does not get is it is we the people. We get to decide how we live our lives. Is not that

what makes us Americans? Is not that what makes being an American so rich and golden, is that we the people decide.

Alaskans voted for medical marijuana and they still cannot get it. How is that OK? How is that fair? The majority of Americans support

marijuana reform. The majority of Americans have common sense and know that the laws that are in place are ruing too many lives. And, who are

these laws saving. Nobody!

PINSKY: And, it is weird, Charlo, to me that the people that do not like government, they are sort of a libertarian bent, are the ones who want

to tell you how to have -- what your relationship ought to be with a substance. Now, I think -- I do not know. I am not -- I do not make laws.

I am not a legislator. I will deal with whatever the laws are that people create.

And I think, I think it is very interesting situation with these laws. And, the people -- ultimately, the government -- you know, the

people that are worried about the nanny state like myself should maybe think about how this might be a part of the government, telling people how

to live their lives. And, just think really hard about that. All right, Judy, what do you say on this?

JUDY HO, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, I am glad I am not a legislator, too, Dr. Drew. I would not like that job. But, I am a

researcher and a clinician. And, I think one of the things that I think about is when we are trying to advocate for this to happen, to legalize

marijuana, whether for medication or recreational purposes is, are we presenting a balanced view; or are we going to be victims of the researcher

bias, where we are only presenting one side, because what we want to achieve.

PINSKY: Yes.

HO: And, so, my question to Charlo is this. You know, clearly, there are benefits to utilizing marijuana, especially for medicinal

purposes, but there are also some negative consequences too.

And, there are actually some really well-documented negative consequences, especially in teens and for pregnant mothers. But, you know,

even short-term consequences like reducing critical thinking, even for a few days after use.

PINSKY: All right. Go ahead, answer that.

HO: Yes. Go ahead, Charlo.

GREENE: I do not know what exactly the question was, but as far as what the teen issue, this law is not going to give it to teens. This law

does not mean that teens are just going to start using it in droves.

PINSKY: Hey, Charlo --

HO: My question, Charlo -- sorry, that was not my question.

PINSKY: Wait. I got something for you. My question is, why are people so hostile and aggressive about the pot thing? Why do people -- why

they are so angry about it? Why not, like, make collaborations and be more -- I do not know --

GREENE: Because the people need to be angry now. This has been 80 years in the making. I can name countless people who have been armed by

prohibition, by marijuana prohibition today, in 2014, in Alaska, in Texas, in Florida, in New York --

PINSKY: All right. Hold on. I hear you. I want to give my panel a chance here. Erica, go ahead.

ERICA AMERICA, T.V. HOST AND PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Yes, Dr. Drew. I want to say, I think it is amazing that you are giving Charlo an opportunity, a

platform to say what it is she really wanted to say. Because, you know, I am big into pop culture and the blogging role that is going on. This was

the biggest story this week. It was everywhere.

But, unfortunately, it was clipped down to the little bit that just said, "F" it. I quit." A lot of people did not even know what it was

about, regarding the marijuana thing. So, I think a lot of people connected to it because there is that vicarious part of it, that everyone

wants to kind of quit their job and let themselves go and really just tell it like it is. So, I do not know if her issue is getting applause, but at

the same time, we would not be talking about it unless she did it that way. So, I think --

PINSKY: Yes. I mean, here we are.

AMERICA: Yes. We are talking about it. You are giving her the chance to discuss it.

PINSKY: Yes. And, Charlo -- thank you, Erica. Charlo, one thing to take back with you, if you would -- from this conversation from me, if you

would. I hate the fact that medical marijuana often translates to a terrible practice -- a terrible quality of the practice of medicine.

Physicians should be able to prescribe whatever they need to do to help their patients, but they need to practice good medicine, not political

medicine. So, one thing I would ask you guys -- but I think you are trying to get recreational pot legalized. But if you get medical marijuana,

please make sure they practice good medicine with it, OK?

GREENE: I promise. I just need everyone to show up to vote on November 4th in Alaska. That is when it is time to vote yes on ballot

measure 2, legalize recreational marijuana and make medical marijuana real here in Alaska. And, show up tomorrow to a public hearing in Wasilla and

voice your marijuana story.

PINSKY: Right, whichever way, by the way. Both sides need to be heard. Again, this is a very complicated issue. Thank you, we have got to

leave it. Next up, a "Modern Family" actress says her former boyfriend physically abused her and that she feared for her life. We will get into

that after this.

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SARAH HYLAND, AS HALEY DUNPHY IN "MODERN FAMILY": Why do you have to be such a psycho control freak?

JULIE BOWEN, AS CLAIRE DUNPHY IN "MODERN FAMILY": You know what? Just for that, you are grounded for one week.

HYLAND, AS HALEY: That is good parenting!

BOWEN, AS CLAIRE: OK. Two weeks. Want to double it? Keep talking.

HYLAND, AS HALEY: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

BOWEN, AS CLAIRE: Fine! Four weeks. Four!

HYLAND, AS HALEY: Why do not you just double it and make it ten weeks!

ARIEL WINTER, AS ALEX DUNPHY IN "MODERN FAMILY": Oh, my God! Do you not hear how much I need to study!

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PINSKY: I am back with Sam, Mark, Erica, and our birthday girl, Vanessa. Happy birthday, Vanessa.

(LAUGHING)

SCHACHER: Yey!

VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Thank you, Drew.

EIGLARSH: Yey!

PINSKY: Yey! Sarah Hyland. She plays Haley on ABC`s "Modern Family." She says violence in her intimate relationship, motivated her to

file a restraining order against her ex-boyfriend, Matt Prokop. Now, in court, the documents -- the court documents says Sarah alleges that he

choked her during a fight. She says, quote, "His grip was so tight that I could not breathe or speak. I was scared and in fear for my life."

She also claims Prokop, quote, "Relentlessly bombarded me with vile, threatening, and emotionally disturbing texts and voice mails including his

own suicide threats. Representatives for Prokop have not responded to our request for comment. Sam, Sarah Hyland says her ex-boyfriend also got some

sort of treatment, but I could not figure out what they meant by that.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: Can you tell me?

SCHACHER: Yes. Yes. Yes. So, she claims that he entered a rehab facility back in August.

PINSKY: What does that mean? What does that mean?

SCHACHER: I do not know. Here is what I know. I know that he left September 21st, which was this past Sunday, also, according to Sarah

Hyland, the facility director advised her to get a restraining order against him, her ex-boyfriend, because of his current mental state and his

attitude towards her.

So, my question to you, Dr. Drew, and the panel, if someone is at risk, to the point where this medical director is advising her to get a

restraining order, should he not be released? Can he not put a hold on someone if he is threatening someone?

PINSKY: Well, let me ask our legal person, of course, Mark that. And, also, people have been tweeting us saying the restraining orders are

not worth the paper they are written on. And, sometimes, I know it is the case certain kinds of obsessive stalkers get worse when you file a

restraining order.

EIGLARSH: Wow. That is like seven issues all in one.

PINSKY: Yes. I am sorry.

EIGLARSH: OK. First, the rehab cannot hold him, as Dr. Drew knows.

PINSKY: Right. That is right.

EIGLARSH: You know, you go for rehab, it is there. It is therapeutic and you leave. An interesting issue is how someone is narking him out

within the rehab program and saying what he is saying. That is a whole another issue.

PINSKY: Yes. That is a HIPAA problem.

EIGLARSH: Secondly, the restraining order does not stop someone -- exactly. I do not know how that happened. Secondly, the restraining order

does not stop someone from having contact, but if they do have contact, you do not have to wait until a crime occurs.

Merely having any contact, telephonically, directly, indirectly, could immediately lead to his arrest. That is why they have the paper.

And, yes, some can get more angry as a result, most do not. Most realize, holy cow, they took the next step. Now, I need to back off.

PINSKY: Erica, you have -- I am sure advised patients to get a restraining order. I know I have

AMERICA: Yes. I think they are always the good thing. It is putting it out there that it is against the law to contact this person, to go near

them. Even if it, you know, it makes them worse or whatever it is. I think it is important to get it and put it out there. I definitely agree.

PINSKY: Yes, because you can really -- you can mobilize law enforcement so much quicker. But, Vanessa, did I hear that you had to do

this once or something and did not feel safer?

BARNETT: Absolutely. I filed a restraining order and I did not feel safer. I felt like it could have made the situation much worse. I felt

like I was not safe in my own home. Because as you said, yes, it does not stop someone from coming back into your life and coming back into your

space.

All you can do now is just maybe call the police if they do contact you. But who is to say that next time is not the last time. The only time

I did feel safe is when my aunt bought me a taser gun.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: Yes. I think that is -- I like your aunt. I think I need to meet her. But you bring structure to bear. And, that includes protecting

yourself. You change your phone number. You do not answer the phone. You keep an eye out for him. You alert everybody to watch out for him. You

get the restraining order. Mark, are there other things to be done?

EIGLARSH: I think you just nailed them all, but for sure, letting law enforcement know. I would physically go and talk to law enforcement

officers, show a picture of the guy, let them know. Assume that it is going to happen, and then work backwards. What would you have done

differently? The answer is, you do everything up-front.

PINSKY: And, you know, we have been doing a lot of domestic violence talk with the NFL situation. And, people on facebook, for our facebook,

have been asking, why Sarah did not leave Matt, since she had the financial means.

Their thinking was that very often -- which is true, that domestic violence victims stay because they cannot leave. They are stuck. They are

afraid for the children. They are afraid the guy is going to get more violent. They are afraid they are going to hurt themselves.

They are afraid that they have no ways to take care of themselves financially. She has that. But, I will tell you the most common reason,

Sam. And, this may or may not surprise you, that a lot of women say, "I stay because I love him."

SCHACHER: And, you think he will change. And, you think they will change.

PINSKY: And, you are confused. But, listen, people that are in circumstances --

AMERICA: But, she is leaving him now. And, she is courageous.

PINSKY: They confused -- No, they confuse intensity for love. The guy says, "It is because I love you so much. I get out of my mind because

I love you. Please forgive me." That is BS. That is nonsense. This is not love. It is domestic violence. Do not fall for that crap.

Now, thanks to all of you who have helped grow our Instagram numbers. Get us up to the next level by please checking us out right now @drdrewhln

and we will be right back.

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PINSKY: I am Dr. Drew. A couple years ago, my wife, Susan, encouraged me to get screened for prostate cancer.

SUSAN PINSKY, DR. DREW`S WIFE: I even made the appointment for him.

PINSKY: And, so, I went and they found out I did have prostate cancer and we have caught it in time.

PINSKY: We were lucky.

PINSKY: Do not put it off like I did. Get it checked.

PINSKY: And, ladies, even if you are married to a doctor, men are men. Go with your instincts. Help them take the first step.

PINSKY: And, for more information, visit the prostate cancer foundation at pcf.org.

PINSKY: His health depends on it.

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PINSKY: That was my PSA, Sam, for prostate cancer.

SCHACHER: Yes. Great work.

PINSKY: Did not she do a good job?

SCHACHER: Yes. I love her. She did great.

PINSKY: She is the reason I went and got checked out in the first place. Go to pcf.org for the latest information and research on prostate

cancer. Sam, do you have questions for me about this?

SCHACHER: I definitely do. I think about my husband, my dad, my brother. So, when should men get tested and why do you think that so many

of them avoid it?

PINSKY: Well, we are -- we do not like being patient, do not like seeing doctors, and we only go when our wives and spouses drag us in, and

we do not like people messing around with that part of our body, especially.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: But, it is really not a big deal. And, by the way, you know, I had a big surgery to get cure my cancer, and I am fine. It is

perfectly fine. Even if you have a diagnosis of cancer, there are definitive treatments for every different stage and they are

individualized.

They have yet to specifically determine the treatment that is right for you at your particular age, your particular grade of malignancy. And

if you are 50, you should be getting tested every year with a digital rectal exam and a blood test. If you have a first-degree relative that was

diagnosed prior to the age of 65, you should start at 40.

And African-American men, you are over twice as likely to die of this condition. And, when you do get diagnosed, it is usually diagnosed later.

So, you guys especially, your wives got to get you in.

SCHACHER: Yes. And, Dr. Drew, have you seen the cover of "People" Magazine? It comes out this Friday. Joan Lunden is on the cover. Of

course, she has been battling breast cancer and she has been undergoing chemotherapy.

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: And, when she was in that photo shoot for the magazine, she said, "You know what? I am not going to wear this wig." And, I just

think it is courageous and she looks beautiful.

PINSKY: She looks beautiful, does not she? And, she had a very aggressive kind of cancer, we think. I have to read between the lines. Of

course, I do not know her and do not know specifics; but she has what is called triple negative breast cancer. And, I believe she got chemo before

she had any surgical interventions.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: And, again, that is an attempt to shrink the tumor and make it smaller, or maybe have her just get, what is called the lumpectomy

rather than a complete mastectomy. But, again, I do not know the details. And, you know, most of the treatments for this cancer -- cancer has many,

many different conditions. It is a scary word, but many different disorders.

And, most cancers are, if not curable, highly treatable. You can live with it for long, long periods of time. By the way, in many case,

just because I had cancer, I did not rush to definitive care. I went on, what is called, an active surveillance program, where I was biopsied so

often, and we got to the point that it looked like it needed to come out, it came out.

SCHACHER: Well, you always say, Dr. Drew not to panic if you detect cancer, but that is our natural response, is to panic.

PINSKY: Yes. Yes, is to panic. But, the other message is, let your physician use his or her judgment. People do not even understand anymore

why they see doctors. You do not go for their knowledge. You go for their judgment, their experiential knowledge. They have seen this hundreds and

hundreds and maybe thousands of times, and you want that individual to make the right call for you.

Every circumstance, every patient is different and there is a specifically right call for you. Men with prostate cancer, if we live long

enough, we are all going to get prostate cancer. We get it hundred percent by age 100.

But, if you get it in your 50s, you have to do something very definitively because it will shorten your life if you do not get cared.

The treatment is effective and you can be completely normal afterwards. You look scared, Sam. Do not be scared.

SCHACHER: I mean early detection, right? I mean I should probably start getting mammograms. It is all about early detection.

PINSKY: It is early detection -- Well, yes. It is timely detection. Not necessarily early, but it is in time.

SCHACHER: OK.

PINSKY: All right, guys. Good show tonight. Thank you very much for joining us. The Forensic Files is up next. Join us on the after

show.

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