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Boy Found in Basement Forced to Complete Workouts; 3 Human Skulls Donated to Goodwill; Rosie O'Donnell to Rejoin "The View"; Lebron James Could Go Back to Cleveland, Become Billionaire Athlete; Twiggy Talks '60s Fashion, Music, the Beatles

Aired July 10, 2014 - 14:30   ET



BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Bottom of the hour. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin.

Let's talk about this young boy who was found in the basement of his dad's Detroit home. So this boy alleges he was placed there as punishment, and now these new revelations from this court petition obtained by the "Detroit Free Press" reveal this 12-year-old says he was forced to complete a grueling workout twice a day, every day. Here's the specifics: 100 pushups, 200 sit-ups, 100 jumping jacks. 25 curls on each arm with a 25-pound weight and thousands of revolutions on an elliptical machine.

Of course, just to jog your memory, HLN's Nancy Grace actually broke the news to the dad in this interview on-air that his son was found in his basement. Remember this?


NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST, NANCY GRACE: We are getting reports that your son has been found alive in your basement.


GRACE: How could your son be alive in your basement?

BOTHUELL: I have no -- I have no idea.


BALDWIN: So now the follow up here.

Susan Candiotti, CNN national correspondent, a lot has changed. Let's begin with the interview with the father. And just to be clear, no charges filed. Just this complaint from DHS, correct?

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That is correct. But it's a more detailed complaint this time. We have seen others. And we also have that child services complaint that outlines everything you were just talking about. But here's the status of whether there will be any charges right now. I spoke with the police. Late last week, the police from Detroit turned in an arrest warrant application to the district attorney, who ultimately must make the decision about who to arrest. And what the charges will be. They sent it back to the police to do more work. They said they hadn't completed their investigation. We need a bit more. That's where it stands now. Some of the work includes doing forensic analysis of the blood that was found on the PVC pipe you mentioned that was allegedly used to beat this young man.

BALDWIN: So one part of it is the father here. But there was also the issue with the step mom. Because a lot of people initially hearing the story, the fact -- how he was being hidden, the food he had. People were thinking, perhaps the stepmother actually helped him hide. And instead it sounds like that may not be the case.

CANDIOTTI: Well, the story that police continue to tell us is that the boy was being disciplined and ran away, because he was accused of not having done his chores or his exercises. But in this document, it clearly states that the young man says that it was the step mom who was angry at him, and took him downstairs and told him to stay there and, in fact, he stayed there crawling behind the boxes, and she helped hide him and told him to stay there. He heard all the police activity coming and doing the searches. He didn't speak up. Apparently, afraid. And that's where he was for 11 days before eventually on yet another search the police found him.

BALDWIN: Just quickly, to quote the boy, he told police, "I was so excited when I heard the police were going to move the box I was behind, because I knew they were going to find me."

We'll see if charges are filed, if at all.

Susan Candiotti, thank you very much.

Just ahead, as Lebron James decides whether or not to go back to Cleveland, we'll talk to a local politician there who ripped King James when he left town four years ago.

Plus, hear how Lebron could become the world's first billionaire athlete. Ooh!

And "The View" announcing today its newest member here, her face definitely familiar. But who will Rosie O'Donnell be paired with? Stay right here.


BALDWIN: One word for it could be "unusual," as in a very unusual find for the employees of a Bellevue, Washington, thrift store. Because someone apparently decided to donate not one, not two, but three human skulls to Goodwill. And now the medical examiner's office is asking for whoever donated them to please come forward.

Here's Amy Clancy with CNN affiliate, KIRO.


AMY CLANCY, REPORTER, KIRO (voice-over): The donation included three skulls. We can only show you two, because the other belonged to a Native American child, and King County wouldn't release a photo out of respect. The child skull was packaged in this green box. This red and white scarf was included in the bundle. All items were dropped off late last month at the Goodwill on Northeast 20th Street.

KATHERINE BOURY, GOODWILL: One of the things that was interesting about one of the skulls is it was clearly very old. And so I think, you know, there's always the question, is that of historical significance.

CLANCY: Forensic anthropologist, Kathy Taylor, says, yes, the Native American child was about 5 to 6 years old when he or she died at least 100 years ago.

DR. KATHY TAYLOR, FORENSIC INVESTIGATOR: Well, we're asking the person who donated them to please contact us, because we cannot begin to repatriate the child without knowing the history of that skull. So, is it from the state of Washington? Is it from another state?

CLANCY: The other two skulls were used in a lab or medical school, and have no historical significance, but should have been dropped off at the medical examiner's office, not Goodwill.


BALDWIN: Even though it is a crime to improperly dispose of human remains, investigators say they will not prosecute this time. And they simply want to return the skull to its proper resting place.

OK. A lot of people talking about this. You heard who will be rejoining "The View," Rosie O'Donnell, on of the show's most popular hosts. ABC just made the announcement. Rosie will be back at the table in the fall. But will her presence bring much-needed ratings back to "The View?" It did, back when she was at the table in 2007.

Of course, you remember the infamous spat she had with former co-host, Elisabeth Hasselbeck?


ROSIE O'DONNELL, FORMER CO-HOST, THE VIEW: I asked you, if you believed what the Republican pundits were saying --


O'DONNELL: -- you said nothing. And that's cowardly.


O'DONNELL: Nothing.



HASSELBECK: Do not call me a coward. Because, number one, I sit here every single day --


HASSELBECK: -- and open my heart and tell people exactly what I believe.

O'DONNELL: So do I, Elisabeth.


BALDWIN: Ooh! You can feel the heat still. After all of those years, you think Elisabeth Hasselbeck supports a Rosie comeback? I'm going to go with no.

Listen to what she told FOX News before this announcement.


HASSELBECK: Here, in comes to "The View" the very woman who spit in the face of our military, spit in the face of her own network, and really in the face of a person who stood by her and had civilized debates for the time she was there. Coming back with a bunch of control, ready to regain a seat at "The View" table. Not surprising. I think this has been in the works for a long time.


BALDWIN: Ann Oldenburg, let me bring you in, entertainment reporter at "USA Today."

You remember the ratings were hot, hot, hot, buzz-worthy when Rosie was at the table a couple years ago. Good move for ABC?

ANN OLDENBURG, ENTERTAINMENT REPORTER, USA TODAY: People loved seeing the sparks flying, Rosie stirring the pot, stirring things up. And I think that's why ABC is bringing her back.

BALDWIN: Here's the thing, though. I was watching CNN last night, don lemon, host at 10:00, Joy Behar on, and Joy Behar told Don, there were all these hate-filled remarks against Rosie, and all this negative press. How much do you think that will sort of hang over her return versus boost the ratings and have people turn on "The View" in the morning?

OLDENBURG: Right. Exactly. That's the risk. When they started talking about jenny and sherry and all these people leaving, I thought, why don't they just cancel the show, get rid of it, nix it, end it. Obviously they are gearing back up and full force. They know people want to see a polarizing person like O'Donnell. She is going to go head-to-head with Whoopee, no doubt, the only one coming back besides Rosie at this point. And so they know they're guaranteed at least some explosive hot topics at that table and that's what they're looking for right now.

BALDWIN: So we know for sure those two women, it begs the question who else could fill those seats, A, and, B, among those vacancies, what about a man?

OLDENBURG: Exactly. Well, Barbara Walters told me in May, when she was retiring, she really thought a man would be great. So we should probably look for that. And then also a conservative voice. Who is going to take Elisabeth Hasselbeck's spot? Sarah Palin is perfectly willing to go rogue, she said, earlier this week, which would be hilarious. But she might have some other things to do. So the latest name in the ring is Megan McCain. And I would not be surprised if she wound up there.


BALDWIN: What about a man?

OLDENBURG: I think -- I think a man will certainly -- there's a good chance of having a man there. It's just which man. Ross Matthews' name has been thrown around, Thomas Roberts. They need to find -- Mario Cantone. He has been on the show many times. He's hilarious. Maybe one of them would fill the seat. I can that still remains to be seen.

BALDWIN: OK. I appreciate it, Ann Oldenburg, entertainment reporter with "USA Today." We'll watch to see who fills the chairs. Appreciate it very much.

OLDENBURG: Thank you.

BALDWIN: And just ahead, Lebron James decides whether or not to go back to Cleveland. We'll talk to a local politician who definitely trash-talked him a couple years ago when Lebron left. We will also hear how Lebron James could become the world's first billionaire athlete. Stay here.


BALDWIN: The signing countdown begins again. Where will Miami Heat all star, King Lebron James, lay his crown. Some fans in his hometown of Cleveland are already showing signs of forgiveness. But they have also -- have some short memories. Do you remember these scenes from a short four years ago, some furious Lebron haters burning Cavs' Jerseys because of this announcement four years ago?


LEBRON JAMES, NBA BASKETBALL PLAYER: At this point, I'm going to take my talents to South Beach and join the Miami Heat.


BALDWIN: Lebron definitely broke some hearts with that announcement. But now that he might return home, is it all forgotten?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come home, baby! Come home!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It feels the exact same as the 2010 decision, only reverse, where he's coming back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The fact that it's taken this long, I think he's come backing back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have a good feeling he's home. Lebron, the king, he's home.


BALDWIN: Lebron is not talking yet. In fact, we do know he is on his way to Brazil for the World Cup finals for the weekend and so we wait.

Joining me now, one of those Cavs' fans who was none too thrilled with King James' decision four years ago. He is Zack Reed, a member of the Cleveland City Council.

Councilman, can you forgive?


BALDWIN: Really?

REED: Period. Forget.

BALDWIN: That easy.

REED: Really. That easy. Business. It was business then, it's business now. He just did it the wrong way the first time. This time, he's doing it right. He is letting Miami know up front, I'm leaving and going back home.

BALDWIN: The Jersey-burning, the picture of him on the building that's no longer, the nasty-gram from the Cavs' owner on the web site for four years. You, my friend, may be able to forgive, but you're talking to people in Cleveland. What's the word on the street?

REED: Hey, the word on the street is, we're not going to -- probably won't be as -- like I, forget, but willing to forgive as long as he guarantees us and brings us a championship. People my age have never seen a championship in the city of Cleveland. And we have three opportunities, the Cleveland browns, the Cleveland Indians and the Cleveland Cavs. And we have never had a parade downtown Cleveland in my lifetime. And we believe that our best chance is for Lebron James to come back and bring us that championship.

BALDWIN: What if he doesn't bring you that championship? Are you going to give him the boot? Your forgiveness goes away?

REED: Well, we know one thing. We'll make the playoffs. And we haven't made the playoffs since he left. So you know, if you don't even make the playoff, you can't even be in the game. So we know coming back he at least gives us the opportunity. I think Charles Barkley said it. He said, they -- we would probably be the number-one contender out of the east. So we at least get a better opportunity than we have right now, Brooke. Because what we have right now, we've got good ball players. We've got a good organization. But we don't have the leader that we need to go to the next level. Lebron James brings that back.

Lebron James, come home.

BALDWIN: So when Lebron James drops on Twitter that he's staying in South Beach, as he's en route to Rio tonight, are you going to come back on CNN and give us your feedback and reaction, Councilman?

REED: If you give me the opportunity, Brooke, just like I mentioned at the Rock-'n'-Roll Hall of Fame ceremony a few years ago, and I said you're welcome to Cleveland. If you welcome me to CNN, either way, I'll let you know my -- what my feelings are.

BALDWIN: All right, Zack Reed, we appreciate you coming on. And time will tell, soon enough, where King James goes. Appreciate it.

Wherever he does decide, whether it's Miami or Cleveland, or somewhere else, Lebron James is projected to bank more than $22 million a year, and that could put him on track to become the first billionaire athlete. Let me say it again, billionaire athlete.

Joining me, "CNN Money" and tech correspondent, Laurie Segall.

So we are talking potentially 10 figures for shooting hoops. Hello!

LAURIE SEGALL, CNN MONEY TECH CORRESPONDENT: I'll say, love him or hate him, love his decision, hate his decision, he is making a lot of money. He's well on his way to become a billionaire.

I want to give you some stats. He had already been paid $128 million in his first 11 years playing ball, $326 million in endorsement deals. He also does investments, we talking Beats by Dre, Liverpool Football Club. I want to get more into these endorsement deals. These aren't just any endorsement deals. Nike, before he even played his first NBA game. Also, Coca-Cola, McDonald's, Samsung, Duncan brand. So you're seeing he's well on his way to make a lot of money.

BALDWIN: We wait, we wait, we wait.

Laurie Segall, thank you very much on King James here.

SEGALL: Thank you.

BALDWIN: Coming up next, she became the world's first super model. Actually, I was talking to her -- "super model" wasn't even a word in the '60s. A special on the music of "The Sixties" tonight, Twiggy shares her inside stories of fame and her encounter with Paul McCartney.


BALDWIN: CNN's the original series "The Sixties" returns tonight with the invasion we lost but loved every minute. Of course, the British Invasion. We're talking about the Beatles, the Stones, and all those bands who took America by storm.

But music wasn't the only big '60s invasion to come out of England. One Brit, a 16-year-old, will become the first international super model and capture worldwide headlines. Her name? Twiggy. She is an icon from that era, had an unimaginable impact on fashion and pop culture.

And I am honored to have Twiggy join me now from London.

Nice to meet you. Thanks for coming on.

TWIGGY, FORMER MODEL: Hi! How are you?

BALDWIN: I'm wonderful. And it's funny, when I was reading that, I don't know if "super model" was a word at the time. But you were a model. You were a face of this movement, the mod scene. I read an article where you were called the face of '66.

TWIGGY: Absolutely.

BALDWIN: Twiggy, can you take me back to that era and describe that time for me and your career and your life?

TWIGGY: It was an extraordinary time, really. Because, number one, models before me all came from kind of posh families or aristocratic families. I think I was one of the working-class models, because it wasn't really an option. And what happened to me, I was discovered. But it was to do with everything that was happening, as you say, in music and art. And suddenly, the fashion world needed a new, young face. And I kind of fit the bill, really. I mean, it was as much a surprise to me as to everyone else.

BALDWIN: But to this day, people try to emulate -- when I think of you, I think of those lashes, and those big, beautiful eyes, this mod style. At the time, Twiggy, who was your inspiration for that look?

TWIGGY: That look I got because I used to do -- we didn't really have makeup artists then. So I did all my own makeup. And I got that -- I had a rag doll at home, a soft rag doll, and she had the painted eyelashes. And so one weekend from school, I decided I want wanted to try that out. And I stuck on the false eyelashes on top and drew the ones -- and that's what became known as Twiggy's when I was discovered.

I have to thank America for a lot. Because although I was discovered in England, it was Diana Vreeland, the editor of "American Vogue," who read and heard about me and brought me over to America. And I thank her forever, because she changed my life. It was one thing being known as a model in England, but she turned me global.

BALDWIN: The Beatles and also you. And we talk about the British Invasion coming to America, and just boom, you experienced that firsthand.

TWIGGY: I did.

BALDWIN: And when you think of the '60s, beyond the eyelashes, what articles of clothing, what looks really do you think come from that era that, I think, still hold true today? TWIGGY: Yeah. Definitely, the mini skirt. And I think I was

probably very famous. There's a very famous clip of me walking down Fifth Avenue in the shortest skirt that you can imagine.

BALDWIN: How did you do that?

TWIGGY: That's how I dressed! I used to make all my own clothes. I loved sewing, which I still do, which is lovely, because I know design clothes. I used to make them, because I couldn't buy them. But I can remember walking down Fifth Avenue -- and there is a film of it, and I did look a bit like an alien being, because I had the eyelashes, the short hair and mini skirt. And all these young teenage girls were coming up to me, and they still had the longer skirts and were very plainly dressed, very kind of sophisticated, more like Jackie Kennedy. Because that look hadn't got to America yet.


BALDWIN: The Twiggification of America had yet to happen.


But the double takes began. So everyone saw the mini skirts, and the big beautiful eyes with the lashes and that -- I mean, when I think of '60s, we all think of you. And I'm curious, just to put fashion and looks aside for a minute, as a woman of the '60s, a lot of the focus tonight is on music, on Motown, the Beatles, Credence Clearwater Revival, the Stones. What song or artist comes to mind for you?

TWIGGY: Obviously, you say '60s, for me, the Beatles. They were a little bit ahead of me. I was a huge fan. I went to the convert screaming my head off age 13, 14, like every other teenage girl.


They -- they then became great friends of mine. And I'm still great, great friends with Paul. And I love him to bits. But to me, the '60s, the Beatles, the Stones. Like you said, it was a renaissance.

I mean, what amazes me now, I still -- whenever I meet new teenagers, and they come up every decade, they're obsessed with the '60s. I still get kids of 16 and 17, they write to me. They want to know about it. They want to -- you know, they want things from the -- it's amazing. It never goes away. It's the decade that everyone is obsessed with.

BALDWIN: All these decades later, Twiggy, I have a feeling you're still able to rock the mini skirt. Am I right?


TWIGGY: I don't know. But I think -- I'll stick to my skinny jeans.


BALDWIN: Twiggy, such a pleasure. Thank you so much. TWIGGY: Thank you! Thank you so much. Bye-bye.

BALDWIN: How fun is she? Twiggification. Made that up on the fly. Make sure you watch "The Sixties: The British Invasion" tonight here on CNN.


BALDWIN: Top of the hour. You are watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin.