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One on One with Amanda Knox; April Jobs Report; Interview with George W. Bush

Aired May 2, 2014 - 08:30   ET



AMANDA KNOX, CONVICTED OF KILLING ROOMMATE: And furthermore, I -- I had saved up to go to Italy. I was not in need of stealing any money unlike Rudy Guede, who was a known thief, who was a known burglar, who did this on a regular basis to survive. And why they would think that I was a thief when in Meredith's own purse there are Rudy Guede's fingerprints. It's based on nothing.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN HOST: "To step through what he sees as the fact pattern of that night, and literally it almost is like a yes/no list." Were you and your boyfriend hanging out in the piazza outside your building that night?


CUOMO: Did you let Rudy into your apartment?


CUOMO: Were you with Rudy in your apartment that night?


CUOMO: Was there a fight over money with Meredith Kercher witnessed by Rudy?


CUOMO: And you're saying to me tonight that what is also impossible is that you were in the room that night and you had a knife in your hand and that you helped kill Meredith Kercher?

KNOX: Absolutely because my DNA, any trace of me, is not there. When you're talking about traces of me that they attribute to the crime scene, they're talking about my DNA in my own bathroom or my footsteps that tested negative for blood that had my DNA and Meredith's DNA on the floor between our bedrooms and the bathroom. Well, of course, our DNA was there. We lived there for a month. It was there. It tested negative for blood, so it wasn't blood. And so it's irrelevant to the crime.

But we're talking about the crime that happened in Meredith's bedroom. And there is no trace of us. If Rudy Guede committed this crime, which he did, we know that because his DNA is there on the -- on Meredith's body, around Meredith's body, his handprints and footprints in her blood.

None of that exists for me. And if I were there, I would have had traces of Meredith's broken body on me. And I would have left traces of myself around -- around Meredith's corpse. And I am not there. And that proves my innocence.

CUOMO: It started in 2007. It is now 2014. For you and your life, is it present day? Are you able to be present in this day? Or are you still trapped in 2007?

KNOX: It's definitely a limbo. My entire adult life has been weighed down and taken over by this tremendous mess, this -- this -- I mean on the one hand I have my life in Seattle. I get to go to school. I get to be with my family, my friends, and I'm so grateful to have them. They really help me get through this. And to know that there are people who believe me.

And then on the other hand, there's this huge weight, and there's this huge struggle and trying to learn each step of the way what's so wrong and how I can fix it. And I guess -- I guess I'm just -- I guess I'm just one of the lucky ones.

CUOMO: How so?

KNOX: Because -- well, because I'm actually -- I'm actually supported by people, and people have looked in to my case as opposed to have forgotten me. And people who know about what kinds of things happen to lead to wrongful convictions have come out and said things in support of me. And that's -- that has made a huge difference in my life. I don't feel as alone as I could.


CUOMO: The debate rages on. You have so much to say about what you believe to be the evidence in the case, what you believe to be true about the demeanor of Amanda Knox, so tweet us with the #newday. I'll answer as much as I can.

If you want to see more you can see the complete interview tonight in a CNN special report "THE TRIALS OF AMANDA KNOX" right here on CNN on 10:00 p.m. Eastern.

All right, breaking news, for real, just in to CNN, the Labor Department revealing just how many jobs were added to the economy last month. Chief business correspondent Christine Romans is here with the numbers. It's a Friday. Don't hurt me on a Friday, Christine. What do you got?

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: I won't hurt. It's a good number. 6.3 percent is the unemployment rate, Chris, in the month of April and that is the lowest since 2008, October 2008. So that's a big improvement in part because some people dropped out of the labor force but also because people are getting jobs. 288,000 jobs created.

You can see here the forecast was for less than that and so you had a stronger month. That freeze -- that freeze in the beginning of winter -- the winter in the beginning of the year seems to be thawing and you had business services, there are higher paid jobs. Those were added, retail jobs and even construction jobs 32,000 there, tend to be higher paid. Those are really important numbers there.

Another really important thing to point out here is you had revisions -- talked about that February and March freeze. You had revisions higher here and here. And then this number came in pretty much 288,000 so that's a strong performance.

Going back to what we were seeing sort of late last year, you saw some momentum in job creation last year. Each of these bars is how many hundreds of thousands of jobs, net new jobs were created. This really scared us. We thought something was happening here in the economy.

CUOMO: This --

ROMANS: But it's improving.

CUOMO: -- looks a lot like this, by the way.

ROMANS: That's what you want to see. You want to keep going like this. Now, I'd like to see 250,000 jobs created every month, but I'd also like to see better jobs created.

CUOMO: I think that's the story --

ROMANS: It is.

CUOMO: -- the story behind the story. What is that?

ROMANS: The story behind the story is that so many of the jobs coming back have paid less and had fewer benefits than the jobs we lost in the recession. So the jobless recovery, we're starting to get those jobs back but they're low-wage jobs which is why the minimum wage debate, the unemployment benefits and insurance debate is so key; why the job situation is still so political and critical six months before the election.

CUOMO: How about long-term unemployed? How about underemployed?

ROMANS: Underemployment, some people call that the real unemployment rate. Still double digits -- 12.3 percent. So when you go back and you see what we're talking about in terms of the unemployment rate 6.3 percent, 12.3 percent is the underemployment -- people who are out of work, working part time but would like to be working full time, people who are sidelined by the economy.

CUOMO: And then you have the people who just dropped out -- right.

ROMANS: And then the people who have just dropped out. When I look at this labor force participation rate, still too low, you still have to have a recovery that's bringing more people in. I would say there's something for everyone in this report. If you think the economy's getting better, you look at this number and you say I told you, my business is doing well. I'm seeing hiring bidding wars in some kind of talent and that's happening.

In some industries you are seeing bidding wars and in other places you see people who have been out of work for six months or longer who cannot find a place in the economy -- that's true, too.

CUOMO: I feel like these numbers are no longer enough. That's why we need you. Christine Romans thank you for this. I know you'll get into it on the show this weekend because there's more.

ROMANS: Yes, absolutely.

CUOMO: The story behind the story is what matters these days.

ROMANS: Absolutely, thank you, Chris.

CUOMO: Kate.

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN HOST: Coming up next on NEW DAY, a terrifying landslide caught on camera. You won't believe what happened in Baltimore. How is it possible? We're going to show you and show you how it happened.



Now, for the five things you need to know for your NEW DAY.

Number one, Russia says any hope for diplomacy in Ukraine is now shattered after new violence leaves two Ukrainian officers and a separatist dead. That, as President Obama and German Chancellor hold critical meetings at the White House to try and find the solution.

NBA owners have begun the process of trying to remove disgraced Clippers owner Donald Sterling. In the meantime, the Warriors beat the Clips to force a seventh game in the playoff. That next game is tomorrow night -- count on me watching.

Officials now say it could take up to a year to find flight 370. They also say it's time for everyone to accept reality. And for relatives to head back home.

Some new images may show North Korea testing the engine for a possible nuclear missile amid threats the company (SIC) may conduct another nuclear test.

And at number five, Rob Ford mayor of Toronto is going to Chicago. The troubled mayor who has admitted to smoking crack announced Thursday he's seeking help for a problem with alcohol.

We always update those five things to know so be sure to go to for the very latest.

WE have to show you some video. You know, we've been talking about the raw power of Mother Nature all week. This week nothing quite demonstrates as this incredible video. Look at this out of Baltimore. That is a landslide. It drags the road, cars, light poles, everything down. Indra is here, we are both looking at it. We can both hardly believe that we're seeing this. We know there's been a ton of rain, but really, OMG.

INDRA PETERSONS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Yes, that's a whole another level. We know there's a lot of rain in one day. But let's take a look at what we're talking about. The average amount of rainfall for April is about three inches. They saw three inches in one day. Some places seeing about even six to seven inches of rain in just that one day. But hard to say it's all just that, right?

PEREIRA: Right. We know that it's been a bad winter. We've had incredible amounts of rain and precipitation and snow.

PETERSONS: Right. I mean you're talking about -- let's just talk about that right. Snow, we've seen about double the amount of snow for just one winter season, I say. Long winter, right? Because it's really not winter anymore but either way and even 10 inches above average amount of rainfall but even that. There's still some differences it's not just going to be just that that's going to do this.

PEREIRA: Well, it would have to be an area that -- we know there are some areas that are more prone. Has this area seen landslides before? Is this an area that's prone to this?

PETERSONS: This is the problem, right? This is what we're hearing. This is what we're currently seeing like this landslide or sinkhole there's an elementary school bringing reports back in the 80s same street here just on the other side something similar happened. And a lot of the residents they were complaining this entire winter season seeing those fracture growing bigger and bigger and people were coming out and saying it was fine. That's the problem.

PEREIRA: That is the big problem. Look at the before and after.

PETERSONS: I mean this is unbelievable -- right.

PEREIRA: I mean --

PETERSONS: But then people are saying OK, so what if -- how did this actually happen. How do you go from here to here after you see a couple of fractures? There's two things. One is most likely it's probably a sinkhole. You start to see it rain a lot. You start to get a couple of fractures down here. You get so weak you get a sinkhole and it completes collapses in. This is what the residents are most likely going to be saying, what happened.

Other people are going to be saying most likely the city is going to want to say it's a landslide. The difference there you are talking about that water coming down that hillside just too much pressure on top. It gets so heavy, right? If that slope is too steep --

PEREIRA: Gravity comes in. That's what happens and it really starts to go down. So that's probably what they're going to say. Either way if they were complaining about it they should have put the structural engineering in place to make sure that wasn't happening. It doesn't sound like that's what happened, and that's to me the concern and of course engineers will have to out and say which one of these cases it was.

PEREIRA: Bottom line terrifying to witness. Hopefully nobody was hurt. We don't believe anybody was injured and we're glad to see that -- Kate.

BOLDUAN: Thanks, guys.

Now to this week's CNN hero, Ned Horton made a career of training Olympic athletes and professional bodybuilders but when a young man with a spinal cord injury came into his gym that's when he found his true calling. Check it out.


NED HORTON, CNN HERO: When I'm running I feel limitless. Being in motion makes me feel free. But there are millions of people around the world that are facing severe physical limitations. They can't be independent. They can't live their lives.

I spent years training Olympic athletes. One day a young guy newly spinal cord injured came to the gym asking for help. At first I didn't know what to do, but just worked together and he made tremendous progress.

Take a breath. Reach out. Reach out. Bring it back.

Before you knew it, my phone rang off the hook. With people asking for help, bring it up. So I opened a gym designed to fit their needs.

Ready to go to work?

For the past 25 years I've provided strength and conditioning training for people with disabilities.

Push. Stretch up. Nice job.

People come to me when they're at their lowest.

Up, up, up, hold it. Rack it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Awesome. Much better now.

HORTON: Come to the gym. And all of a sudden you have a natural support network. I never worry about what they can't do. I worry about what they can do.


HORTON: Yes, you can.


HORTON: I'm building them up, building them stronger so they can go out and live life like they're supposed to.


BOLDUAN: And he's helping them do it. If you know someone who deserves to be a CNN hero please go, nominate them at

CUOMO: Still one of my favorite things about CNN is the heroes thing.

BOLDUAN: I know. Take a moment.

CUOMO: although the agonizing thing of having to come down to one.

Coming up on NEW DAY former President George W. Bush he did something you should never do. He publicly disagreed with his mother. What? Yes. And we'll tell you why he did it. All about his brother's potential run -- you know him -- Bush Jeb.

It's a great Jake Tapper interview. We'll tell you about it when we come back.


BOLDUAN: George W. Bush is making headlines this morning. The former president sitting down with CNN's Jake Tapper for an interview and taking on pretty much everything, from his presidential legacy, what he's done since office to the potential continuation of the bush dynasty. Jake is in Texas with more.

JAKE TAPER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Chris and Kate, I'm at the Prairie Chapel Ranch in Crawford, Texas. This you recall was called the western White House when George W. Bush was president just steps from here. I sat down with the former commander in chief to talk about a cause that he vowed to carry into civilian life making sure that veterans are not forgotten.

I happened to even participate in part of his W-100k bike ride. This year it was with 16 Wounded Warriors. When we talked, he talked a lot about why he's been doing this event now for four years but I also got him to open up about his brother Jeb and also what as a former pro sports team owner what he makes of the scandal enveloping the Los Angeles Clippers.


TAPPER: When you see these men and women with injuries, I know, as commander in chief -- I read "Decision Points" -- you're confident in the decisions you made. As a human being, what do you feel when you see these individuals? You sent them off to battle --


TAPPER: -- in the same why that I'm sure Eisenhower or others who sent people off to battle must feel something emotionally.

Do you feel responsible for them? Do you feel indebted to them? Do you feel guilty? Do you feel protective? I feel that they're the best America produces, because they volunteered in the face of danger. I, of course, feel very sympathetic for them. On the other hand, most of them don't want sympathy. They want help.

I am amazed, Jake, by the number of people that walk up and say, please don't feel sorry for me. I know you did the best you could do. I would do it again, Mr. President.

TAPPER: I talk to a lot of veterans, as I know you do. One frustration I hear from them all the time is how to deal with their injuries and wounds through the Veterans Administration system.

BUSH: Yes.

TAPPER: There was a story CNN did a few weeks ago, I'm not sure if you saw, about delays and treatments for 40 veterans that might have ended up -- they died before they could get the treatment.

BUSH: Yes.

TAPPER: How does that make you feel when you hear that? -- When you hear stories like that --

BUSH: Well, I think, you know, I think first VA is a well-intended bureaucracy and, as you said, many cases are treated efficiently.

When you really think about the supply of vets, you have got World War II vets that are aging. You have got Vietnam vets dealing with issues, and now you have a whole slew of Iraq and Afghanistan vets. And so people are doing the best they can.

TAPPER: First of all, big story in the news this week about the owner of the Clippers. You are a former professional baseball team owner.

BUSH: Yes.

TAPPER: And I'm sure you watch the story of Donald Sterling with interest.

BUSH: Yes.

TAPPER: And wondered if you were an owner asked to vote on a fellow owner's comments.

BUSH: Well, I never have been. Well, Marge Schott -- I can't remember if I was owner of the rangers when Marge Schott has said some terrible things and the commissioner at the time suspended her. There was punishment.

You know, basketball is going to have to sort their business. The commissioner's already made his decision. And I'll be interested to see how it plays out. Obviously his comments were despicable.

TAPPER: Lastly, I have a little brother. I know what it's like to be protective of a little brother. My little brother, like your little brother, is much bigger than me.

BUSH: Yes. Probably much smarter, too --

TAPPER: He is much smarter than me as well.

What advice, sir, are you giving him?

BUSH: You know, I really have not talked to Jeb about the presidency. It's hard for people to believe.

TAPPER: I was talking about Marvin.

BUSH: Oh, Marv, Big Marv, my advice is Marv, don't run.

You know, I hope Jeb runs. I think he would be a great president. I have no clue what's on his mind. And we'll talk when he's ready. I notice he's moving around the country quite a bit. I hope he runs. So, hey, Jeb, if you got -- if you need some advice, give me a call.


TAPPER: And I can tell you that this w-100k event is incredibly difficult. These trails built by the former president. It's nothing short of amazing to watch these men and women especially those who are missing limbs bike over this rugged terrain with apparent ease while I fell off my bike twice. Chris and Kate?

BOLDUAN: You are a better man for it and we acknowledged it.

CUOMO: Neither really a surprised that Jake fell off his bike or that the former president killed him because he may be the most athletic president we ever had.

BOLDUAN: When he was in office he would leave people behind. He was so good people could not keep up with him. Secret service had to train for it I heard.

CUOMO: Coming up next, a man is ready to throw everything away until a stranger reaches out and saves his life. How did he do it? That's what makes him "the good stuff" coming up.


CUOMO: All right. Let's get your NEW DAY started especially for the weekend with some good stuff. Landscaper Lonnie Monroe walking home across an overpass spots a man also trying to cross the overpass but he's on the wrong side of the fence. Tells Lonnie he's going to kill himself. Lonnie wasn't going to let that happen.


LONNIE MONROE, PREVENTED SUICIDE: That's when my mind said, grab him. Don't let him go any further. I grabbed him around his waist and I held on to him and I just talked to him. You got one person right now that love you and want you on this side.


CUOMO: Lonnie holds on to him for two hours. He stays there holding him in place telling him about his life, his experiences, losing his mother, his stepson. The highway was eventually closed. The man was saved and like a lot of heroes Lonnie doesn't think he is one.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Would you call yourself a hero?

MONROE: No. No. It was the worthy thing to do. That's what I was supposed to do and I think that's what anybody in the world would do.


PEREIRA: Let's hope so.

CUOMO: You are right about it being right. And you are wrong about everyone having done it and that's why you are a hero, Lonnie.

PEREIRA: Well done, Lonnie.

CUOMO: Thank you for representing the best of us. You are "The Good Stuff".

And a good weekend to all of you. A lot of news to hear about -- let's take you to the "NEWSROOM" and Ms. Carol Costello. You're a hero -- I don't want to hear anything about it.