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THE LEAD WITH JAKE TAPPER
Search for Flight 370; Interview with Sheryl Sandberg
Aired April 10, 2014 - 21:00 ET
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JAKE TAPPER, THE LEAD HOST: The search for Flight 370 tightens to the smallest area yet. I'm Jake Tapper. This is The Lead.
The World Lead. Haunt on the trail, searchers are out tonight, as we speak, energized now that a signal may have once again been picked up in the water. Is it from the black boxes? We'll ask the public face of the U.S. navy effort to find Flight 370.
The Politics Lead. Hillary Clinton has her reflexes tested in Vegas when a woman in the crowd flings a shoe right at her nagging (ph). Hear what the possible 2016 hopeful had ready to throw right back at her.
And the Pop Culture Lead. He's got the best job and the bravest taste buds of anyone on television, Anthony Bourdain, about to begin a new season of his critically acclaimed CNN show and joining us this hour.
Good evening everyone. Welcome to the special primetime edition of The Lead.
Tonight, in our World Lead, officials are tightening that search zone to the smallest area yet, just about 18,000 square miles far narrower than just the day before. We're now on day 35 since Flight 370 vanished with 239 souls on board. As we speak, as many as 15 airplanes and 13 ships are taking part in the search zone which is a full 12 hours ahead of the Eastern U.S. Time Zone. Just after a possible signal was once again discovered in the water, that's the fifth time that a signal has been picked up. At this hour, we're waiting the results of the analysis on that.
As our Rene Marsh reports, the team came by this latest potential break in the mystery using very different, perhaps even more efficient technology.
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RENE MARSH, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: The search for Flight 370's black boxes intensifies and the ping count may have gone up again. An Australian Orion aircraft flying over Ocean Shield dropping sonobuoys in the water below, and at least one of them got a hit. A possible fifth ping detected where Ocean Shield already picked up four. That could be a confidence builder.
MIKE WILLIAMSON, OCEAN SEARCH ANALYST: The fact that it's picked up by a sonobuoy which is probably less well-equipped to detect that signal than the pinger locator, that could indicate that perhaps it is still a pretty strong signal.
MARSH: The acoustic data is being analyzed but the search coordinator says it's potentially from a manmade source like a flight data recorder. An underwater listening device is attached to the buoy and antenna relays what its hearing to the aircraft. The sensors are deployed at least a thousand feet underwater but only work for eight hours. Sonobuoy is usually used to detect submarines, were not designed for this kind of mission.
WILLIAMSON: The once that I'm familiar with generally have a very poor response to frequencies as high as 37 kilohertz, they're more used for detecting mechanical sounds of submarines, one kilohertz or lower, but that's not to say that there haven't been some changes made.
MARSH: The search area surrounding the Ocean Shield continues to intensify. The British ship HMS Echo has pulled out of its position to the southwest and is now focusing where the ping have been detected. But crews continued to listen for even more pings to shrink the search zone.
A smaller zone is necessary. The underwater vehicle can only search 40 square miles a day, that means, the roughly 500 square mile area where the pings were detected over a span of three days would take nearly two weeks for Bluefin to search.
Meanwhile, the search for surface debris continues. The U.S. navy ship Cesar Chavez is on its way to resupply ships taking part in the five-week long search.
Rene Marsh, CNN Washington.
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TAPPER: And that ship that Rene mentioned, the USNS Cesar Chavez is part of the navy's Seventh Fleet that's also the fleet that's operating that pinger locator, the one that detected possible signals in the ocean four times already. So let's go to Commander William Marks. He joins us on the phone. He's the spokesman for the U.S. Navy Seventh Fleet.
Commander Marks, thank you for joining us. I have to start by asking you of course, have any new potential signals been discovered in the last few hours?
CMDR. WILLIAM MARKS, SPOKESMAN, U.S. NAVY SEVENTH FLEET: Not in the less few hours, it's 10 in the morning here for us in the Pacific. I did get this ping report about the potential hit from the Australian P-3. I last time announced that. I don't want to feel there's some there (ph) whether they have a future (inaudible) and we're pretty excited about that. So, if that was the case, that would be the fifth one for my morning report -- just got out of my morning brief. That is the very latest and greatest. So, we're hoping in the last few hours where we are analyzing that potential fifth pinger hit. And if we remember, this is a continuous 24-hour operation. So, in essence, we never stop looking. It's completely around the clock. TAPPER: And commander, did this fifth potential ping factor into the decision to shrink the search area yet again today?
MARKS: Well, I do need to let the Australian government make their announcement. But, you know, it is shrinking everyday and, you know, it's pretty incredible to look out where we started which was virtually the entire Indian Ocean. Now, it's getting it down to -- with the (inaudible) of couple hundred square miles, pretty miraculous. So -- but, that being said, it's very important to shrink this down as much as possible because the Bluefin 21 side-scan sonar is very slow, very deliberate, and methodical and much slower in searching than the TPL.
So, whereas the TPL, you essentially drag it to the water and it listens to any signal from a black box that it may receive. The Bluefin-21 is a side-scan sonar that actually paints a picture of the bottom of the ocean floor. So it's much more slow and deliberate and it can cover as much area. So, even right now, a small -- as we've got in this area, it's still really not small enough to deploy the Bluefin yet. So we want to shrink it out as much as possible.
And finally, we want to utilize that last, you know, a couple of hours or even days of battery life on the black boxes. So we're going to keep searching with the TPL for now.
TAPPER: Commander Marks, thank you so much. Good luck with the search.
MARKS: Certainly, thank you.
TAPPER: Let's bring in our panel Captain Tim Taylor, Sea Operations and Submersibles Specialist and David Soucie, CNN Safety Analyst and author of the book "Why Planes Crash." They're here in the studio with me. And CNN Aviation Analyst Miles O'Brien in Washington, D.C.
Tim, I want to start with you. The fifth ping is building confidence increasing the data map that could bring searchers to the source. What now?
TIM TAYLOR, SEA OPERATIONS SPECIALIST: Well, continue, continue getting pings as long as you can get pings. We -- AV work and ultimately ROV work on this site, we have forever to do. We have limited days or hours as Commander Marks said on this. So, get as much as you can until it stops and then -- because you can't go back. And once they stopped with the -- towing the TPL and they start AV operations, they can't do one on the other. So you can only do one (inaudible). So, it's not like you can do this simultaneously from that platform.
TAPPER: And David, what do you think? What next -- just keep doing what they're doing?
DAVID SOUCIE, CNN SAFETY ANALYST: More of the same, you know, that those -- I'm really getting little concerned about the battery life. We're already on borrowed time and ...
TAPPER: Yeah. I can't believe that there still pings being heard.
SOUCIE: So, the fact that they've narrowed down where they're looking for the pings and they're not getting the pings makes me little concerned that we may have lost the battery.
TAPPER: Miles, at this -- we also heard a different report about lower altitude, the plane going down to a lower altitude 5,000 or 6,000 feet. I don't want to ask you about that. At those lower altitudes, if the plane was there, could cellphones have worked?
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: You know, in searching, there's a lot of twittered traffic about cellphones and why they were no cellphones. I think people (inaudible) back to 9/11 in all the calls that were executed on that day. Some of those calls were done by satellite phones that were built into airplanes at that time and you don't get them in airplanes anymore. But, in this case, this flight path, there would have been -- highly unlikely, they would have been able to reach a cell tower because even if you accept that altitude, which I'm pretty skeptical about, because we've heard so many numbers, none of them makes really a lot of sense to most people who have looked at it, but even if you accept for a moment they worked 4,000 feet over the Strait of Malacca during that turn (ph) at time, probably still too far away from cellphone towers in order to get off a call.
So, that is why there are no -- there is no, as far as we know, there is -- why there is no communication from the people in the back.
TAPPER: Tim, lastly, assuming that they do not hear anymore pings and we're all waiting for the moment when they launch this underwater drone, the Bluefin-21, how many days do they go, do you think, of not hearing any pings before they launch that?
TAYLOR: You know, (inaudible) running the operation, I'd give it three or four days.
TAPPER: Three or four days of ...
TAPPER: ... nothing today, nothing today, nothing today, and you launch the Bluefin.
TAYLOR: Again, it's very inexpensive to wait that amount of time versus the overall size of this project. When they start doing autonomous work and then ROV work, this could be months. I mean, they could find it literally in a couple of weeks here or less if they'd zero down that area, but the AV is a passive system. It just takes pictures and looks and then you can change payloads and go down there and take pictures of the wreckage but you can't do anything. You can't manipulate anything. You have to do bring other assets on occasion to do that work.
TAPPER: All right. Gentlemen, there are a lot more to talk about in our breaking news coverage of the search for Flight 370. We're gonna come back to you in a few minutes. When we come back, sources tell CNN, the Malaysian air force had an idea that the plane made that dramatic turn westward and they scrambled jets to find it then so why the intense search for days on the other side of the country? Plus, setting the record straight on the final communication from the plane after (inaudible) for other Malaysia air pilots to find out who was speaking. That update, coming up next.
TAPPER: Welcome back to The Lead. Continuing our World Lead. Over the past month, we've seen the back tracking, the misstatements, some shiny examples of terrible bedside manner from Malaysian government officials and even though they're denying it now, today, we also learned that the Malaysian's may have other bid (ph) on Flight 370 only hours after it vanished but they didn't tell anyone for days.
Joe Johns is in Kuala Lumpur with the latest on that and what we now know about the plane's path to the unknown.
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JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It has been one of the lingering mysteries of Flight 370 what happened in those first few hours after it went off course. Now, we're learning the plane disappeared from military radar from 120 nautical miles after it made that left turn and crossed over the Malay Peninsula, and new details about what happened in those predawn hours.
A senior Malaysian government official and a source involved in the investigation tells CNN the plane must have dipped (ph) in altitude to between 4,000 and 5,000 feet. A possible sign that pilots were at the controls but it's still unclear if the plane was in some sort of trouble, whether they were purposely avoiding detection or whether the Malaysian radar system failed somehow.
ANTHONY ROMAN, AVIATION EXPERT: It's not telling us very much other than they may have been switching pilot responsibilities at that time. So whatever event happened, whatever was planned, whether it was nefarious or mechanical, it happened as a result of that transponder and that ACARS getting shut off.
JOHNS: What it clear now, MH370's captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah not his co-pilot, was the last person on the jet to speak to air traffic controllers telling them "Good night, Malaysian Three-Seven-Zero." Malaysian sources tells CNN, the sources said there was nothing unusual about his voice which portrayed no indication he was under stress and no third voice is heard.
And just today, more than a month after the Flight disappeared. We're learning Malaysian air force search aircraft were dispatched soon after the airline reported its plane missing, Malaysian source has told CNN. Headed for the Strait of Malacca and the South China Sea, Malaysian authorities had initially focused their search mostly on the South China Sea. The search aircraft took off before authorities have corroborated data indicating that the plane turns suddenly westward from its original course. And the Malaysian government denied in a tweet that any Malaysian air force aircraft were scrambled.
ROMAN: I'm suspicious of the information that they've provided. I think the most likely scenario is that they detected them on military radar, they scrambled those jets, and either couldn't locate it or some other problem developed.
JOHNS: But our source says the air force did not inform the rest of the Malaysian government until three days later March 11th, a source involved in the investigation, told CNN.
Joe Johns, CNN Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
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TAPPER: I want to bring back our panel aviation expert, CNN safety analyst David Soucie, CNN aviation analyst Miles O'Brien and sea operations specialist Tim Taylor.
Tim, I want to start with you regarding this claims that the Malaysian air force did not notify the rest of the government until three days later that jets have been scrambled to find this plane they didn't know it was Flight 370 at that time. If it's true, and obviously, there are lot of contradictory voices on this. But if it is true, how critical would that information have been in the early days of the search?
TAYLOR: Well, obviously, and I'm not the aviation guide, but they searches in the South China Sea. So, they're starting the search off in their own direction.
TAPPER: Completely wrong body of water.
TAYLOR: Right from there. I think you've got a whole different direction where they gone in order to save days, and they may have got to the South Indian Ocean a whole lot faster.
TAPPER: And David, what is the normal protocol when a plane goes missing.
SOUCIE: Well, protocol starts with the communication between the transfer towers, between transfer regions or local -- if they're in local, it transports locally. But, when you say, this is the aircraft to communicate with the aircraft, then you say "all right, goodnight ...
SOUCIE: ... MH370." Then you would call ahead and you talk to the receiving tower and you say, "there's an airplane heading your way," they then wait for that airplane to come in. If the airplane doesn't show up, that's when they start asking questions. And in this case, it was hours and hours and hours of this which isn't a typical, you know, if there's an airplane that's not communicating, they may have had a wrong frequency so they start this process trying to raise them on different areas to see if they talked to other -- if other airplanes can hear them, you know, that kind of things. So it does take a bit of time. But, six or seven hours, I can't understand that.
TAPPER: (Inaudible). Miles, how fast would a fighter jets be out there if this had happened here in the U.S.?
O'BRIEN: That intercept would happen pretty quickly post 9/11, you know, the system is pretty well spring loaded for a primary target of that nature just moving unidentified and not responding. What's interesting now is that, you know, this gap is a really a key point. If you wanted to do something -- if you wanted to go missing, this is the time to do it because one controller assumes the other controller is talking to you and vice versa. And so, there is this period of time that occurs when you could turn off your transponder and no one would really notice.
Now, if it occurred while in your positive radar contact with one particular controller, there would be immediate alarm bells that would come up because you disappear from the screen and you start calling people right away. So that handoff is a key time for someone or -- if you are trying to go missing, put it that way, that would be the time to do it.
TAPPER: And David, lastly, there's been so much back and forth about this final words from the cockpit. We now know it was the captain who said "goodnight, Malaysia three-seven-zero" and not "goodnight, all right" as we've told for month by the Malaysian government. Quickly, why is getting this right crucial to the investigation?
SOUCIE: For me?
SOUCIE: What's important about that for me is just who is the pilot in -- who is the pilot flying and who is the pilot not flying and this indicates to me because there was 12 minutes between that last -- between the last communications. It tells me that the control of the aircraft switched. And if it's something nefarious, if there's something going on above and beyond anything mechanical, that would be important to know as we go move forward.
TAPPER: All right. David Soucie, Tim Taylor, Miles O'Brien, thank you so much.
When we come back, it's now morning in Australia where the search for missing Flight 370 is now on its 35th day. We'll go live to Perth with the latest on the investigation. That's next.
Plus, one of the president's tough cabinet members calling it quits months after the box Obamacare rollout. Why did she pushed?
TAPPER: Welcome back to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper.
More now on our World Lead at this hour. Investigators at an Australian air force base are busy analyzing a new underwater signal to try and determine if it came from the black box of Flight 370, this as search teams continue their round the clock effort to zero in on the area where the signal was detected.
Let's go live in our CNN's Erin McLaughlin who's in Perth, Australia. Erin, has there been any change in the size or scope of the search area?
ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Jake, they continue to refine the search area today by another 500 square miles, really a quarter of the size of what it used to be which has allowed them to intensify the efforts of some 15 aircraft and 13 vessels out combing the waters for any signs of debris. But it has to be said, after hours and hours and hours of searching, we're now some 35 days since this plane went missing. Not a single physical sign of the plane has been found. So, the focus of the search effort vary much on the search for the (inaudible) pings. Overnight, they've been analyzing this data that they have attained from one of the sonobuoys, one of the dozens or so that they've parachuted on to the waters equipped with specially modified hydrophones. They are looking at that data trying to analyzing it.
Yesterday, they said it was promising. We hope to get an update on that today. Meanwhile, the Australian vessel, the Ocean Shield continues to be out there combing the waters equipped with that American operated towed-pinger locator trying to make more detections, more ping detections. We know of these four so far which have given so much promise to the search effort. We also know that the British vessel, the HMS Echo, with its own sound detection equipment is joining in that effort.
Really, the goal here is to obtain as much information from these pings as possible to be able to narrow down a potential search field so that they can deploy that underwater autonomous vehicle provided by the United States, the Bluefin-21 which is capable of going beneath the ocean and finding physical wreckage. But at the moment, we're not at that stage with the search (inaudible). Jake.
TAPPER: Erin McLaughlin in Perth, Australia. Thank you so much.
When we come back, a quick thinking Hillary Clinton, she docks just in time as a shoe is hurled at her head in Vegas and you might be surprised by her quick reaction. That's coming up next.
TAPPER: Welcome back to The Lead. I'm Jack Tapper.
In the Politics Lead this evening, first, there was the boxed rollout and now she's out. Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services is reportedly resigning fulfilling the fondest wishes of many Republican lawmakers.
This news comes just 10 days after the end of the signup period for Obamacare and after which the administration claim to have surpassed its goal of seven million signups. Sebelius of course never saw the not so grand opening of the Healthcare.gov site in addition which initially anyway crammed all the efficiency of a lumbering government bureaucracy into one inconvenient online package that kept crashing. I want to bring in CNN's Senior Political Correspondent Brianna Keilar and CNN Political Commentator in Washington and of course writing for the New Yorker Ryan Lizza.
Brianna, here's what Senator Orrin Hatch, a Republican of Utah has to say about this departure.
He says, "Secretary Sebelius had one of the toughest jobs in Washington implementing Obamacare, a flawed law that continues to fall woefully short of its promises to the American people. While we haven't always agreed, Secretary Sebelius did the best she could during the tumultuous and volatile rollout of the law."
So, Brianna, is Sebelius now paying the price for the disastrous rollout and is it really her responsibility?
BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, yes. I do think she is paying the price but I also think we're not particularly surprised by that. I think that was almost kind of written in a way when we saw how poorly this was rolled out in October and how it really dragged on into November.
The White House is trying to make very clear that this is something that Sebelius did on her own terms. One White House official told me that she started conversations multiple with President Obama back in early March, when she had a sense that these enrollment numbers were going to be strong and that she felt that it would be a good time to leave. Trying to leave and I guess the highest point that she could leave but also because I think she felt that her presence there didn't exactly help when it came to the politics. But certainly, Jake, White House officials I think are welcoming, trying to kind of turn the corner here on what's really a pivotal midterm election year two.
TAPPER: Ryan, David Axelrod, Former Senior Advisor to President Obama tweeted, "When all is said and done, Sebelius has lots to be proud of including the surprisingly strong finish on exchange signups after a rocky start roll."
What do you make of that message?
RYAN LIZZA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: A little passive/aggressive maybe. I mean, this is one of those classic Washington dances where the administration praises the person but the at the same time you want the message to sort of suddenly be that we weren't so happy with what she did and this -- and we couldn't of course get rid of her when the website was a disaster, right? That's like someone coming over to your house and doing a bunch of repairs and, you know, in the middle of them you kind of stuck with that repairman until they fixed what they've done.
And now, but they want the message to be that to blame Sebelius with the problems with Obamacare especially as they go into a midterm election where this is going to be a big issue. I think that's a little unfair to her, Jake. You know, if you were a cabinet secretary in the Obama Administration, you don't have that much power. We all know that this White House ... TAPPER: Yeah.
LIZZA: ... has everything, very, very, controlled and I think the president should be praised when something goes right on his watch and he should get the blame when something goes wrong, not a cabinet secretary who doesn't necessarily have all the authority that she might have wanted when she was trying to implement Obamacare.
TAPPER: I want to change subjects to something interesting. We've all tried to interview Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and she's pretty good at dodging questions. Now, we know she's good at dodging other things.
She was speaking at a meeting of the Institute of Scrap Recycling industries in Las Vegas when a woman threw a shoe at her. Take a look at this.
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HILLARY CLINTON, SECRETARY OF STATE: The thing about two -- what was that about? What's that about? Is that somebody throwing something at me? Is that part of Cirque de Soleil? My goodness, I didn't know solid management was so controversial.
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TAPPER: Ryan, in the immortal words of Austin Powers, who throws a shoe? Honestly.
LIZZA: You know, I have been at that hotel, the Mandalay Bay, and lost money. And I have wanted to throw something but I've never actually thought of -- I haven't actually considered doing it. Thank God, she didn't get hurt.
TAPPER: Yeah. We're all grateful for that. Brianna, reminds of course of when President Bush ducked in 2008 when an Iraqi journalist hurled a shoe at him.
KEILAR: Yes. And this is serious but let's sort of take a lighter note here, right? I'm think figure skating, right, technical merit versus style, OK. I think objectively you look here at George Bush and he did a pretty good job. I mean, she sort of flinched but the shoe luckily missed her. But the style, the jokes, right? Fantastic. I really think that perhaps I would give Hillary Clinton the win if I'm kind of judging this here.
And also, I do have to tell you, I spoke to a reporter from the Las Vegas Sun who told me that the woman who showed up that when she -- when she was arrested, taken into custody, she had two sandals on her feet. So this was a designated shoe that she brought.
TAPPER: It was premeditated ...
KEILAR: Premeditated shoe throwing for sure.
TAPPER: Interesting. KEILAR: Yes.
TAPPER: So Brianna says Bush quicker reflexes, Clinton quicker wit.
LIZZA: I think it was a faster shoe though. I think Hillary had a tougher time and I think the ...
KEILER: True. That's a good point.
TAPPER: Faster shoe.
KEILAR: Shoe velocity ...
TAPPER: All right Brianna and Ryan, thank you so much for that.
LIZZA: Thanks Jake.
TAPPER: Coming up, she became a Facebook billionaire and a best- selling author and she says she know the key to success. Sheryl Sandberg will join me next with her latest advice to anyone looking for a job especially women.
Plus, it's his fake persona that earned him his own show but he'll ditch it when he takes over the reins of the late show next year. So what is Stephen Colbert like out of character? We'll find out in our sit down interview coming up.
TAPPER: Welcome back to The Lead.
It's now for our Money Lead. It's a phrase that seems innocent enough, "lead in", but it has quickly turned into a rallying cry for some and an example of what's wrong with gender equality movements for others. The author of the phrase, the woman who says her only message was to encourage women to fight for their fair share. And judging by her resume, she's certainly leading by example.
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TAPPER: Sheryl Sandberg has quite the profile. COO at a little company called Facebook, Former VP of online sales and operations at Google and, yeah, the Harvard graduate has a net worth of around $1 billion with a B.
So if you want career advice from someone, she's a pretty good candidate.
SHERYL SANDBERG, AUTHOR, "LEAN IN": In order to succeed at work, you need to be aggressive and you need to hit gold.
TAPPER: Sandberg's most famous advice and best-selling book, "Lean In" caused quite a stir when it was released last year advocating for a stronger more ambitious female presence in the workplace.
SANDBERG: Those characteristics are the ones we expect from men so we cheer them on and we repeal from men and women.
TAPPER: Critics such as Former Hillary Clinton advisor Ann-Marie Slaughter said, "Professional success was not a matter of ambition but of circumstance."
ANNE-MARIE SLAUGHTER, FORMER STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL: I really couldn't make it work with raising then two teenage boys who really did need two parents at home.
TAPPER: But of course Sandberg did not lean back. Today, Sandberg's leanin.org aims to provide resources to empower and support women's ambitions and she has plenty of famous faces backing her up.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm the boss.
TAPPER: Sandberg's no stranger to giving advice to the next generation either.
SANDBERG: You're going to need talent, and skill, and imagination and vision.
TAPPER: And so her latest endeavor should be no surprise. It's called "Lean in for Graduates."
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TAPPER: Sheryl Sandberg, thanks for joining us. Great to see you.
SANDBERG: Thanks for having me, Jake. Great to be with you.
TAPPER: So this is an updated version of your book, "Lean in for Graduates". It has some new material aimed at recent college graduates. You are very well educated. You went to Harvard, you work for Treasury Secretary Summers, Google, Facebook you have a lot of advice in this book for women who are trying to move up in their work. How do you convince the secretary, the bus driver, the waitress that there's advice in this book that they can relate to?
SANDBERG: Ever since "Lean In" came out, the interest is really broad but the most common question people have is how, you know, how I lean it? How do I find a first job? How do I negotiate from myself especially if I'm a woman? How do I figure out what I want to do? And this new book tries to answer those questions with very specific advice and advice that's applicable no matter where you are, no matter what type of job you're going for.
TAPPER: Yeah. I know you wrote this because you wanted to help other women, have them learn from your experiences. But I know also there was criticism I think that you didn't expect when it came out. Were you surprised by the criticism that the book got? Did it bother you? Did it hurt you?
SANDBERG: I was surprised that there was so much attention paid to the book certainly. But I think the criticism and the debate is all part of what needs to happen which is honest debate of the issues. I'm worried about complacency. I'm worried that we don't have high enough standards and a high enough bar for what should happen to women.
In the last Senate election, women won 20 percent of the seats. And all the headlines kept saying, women take over the Senate. 20 percent of the seats for 50 percent of the population is not a take over. It's a problem.
TAPPER: You have another mission in the last few months banning the word "bossy", ban bossy. And you have some very famous supporters for this campaign. Let's take a look at that.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let's ban bossy.
BEYONCE, SINGER: Be brave. Be you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ban bossy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Join us to ban bossy.
BEYONCE: I'm not bossy. I'm the boss.
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TAPPER: Why not instead of banning bossy, why not just own it? People use the term "like a boss" all the time as a positive. Why not have girls own that term?
SANDBERG: So ban bossy is a program with the girl scouts and it's a program which gets to a very real problem which is that by junior high, more boys and girls want to lead, a trend that continues into adulthood. And when you ask why, it's because girls don't want to be disliked or called bossy.
Lean In worked with the girl scouts to put out leadership tips for parents, for teachers, for girl scout troops, and for girls who at the age of six don't really have the luxury of reclaiming a word. Instead, I think it's incumbent upon all of us to stop discouraging our daughters to lead and start encouraging them because that encouragement for leadership needs to start young and get us all the way to women in more equal roles, all the way through our industries and our government.
TAPPER: I know you've said that you're never going to run for office but your name has been bandied about quite a bit. You obviously worked in the treasury department earlier in your career. Are you really saying that you're never going to run for office, that's never going to happen?
SANDBERG: I'm not running for office. I really love my job at Facebook.
TAPPER: And you're not currently running for office.
SANDBERG: I have no plans to run for office. I really love working at Facebook. TAPPER: This past few, the Obama administration faced a lot of criticism for the information gathering through the NSA and Mark Zuckerberg, your boss, spoke with President Obama about the program and about its transparency. But one of the arguments that I've heard a lot is, hey, corporate America has a lot of data on Americans to look at Facebook, look at all the information Facebook has on people. Should the public be concerned about the information that Facebook has and what Facebook plans to do with it?
SANDBERG: As you know, we were very concerned with some of the NSA revelations. Mark has spoken to the president. Mark has flown to D.C. recently and seen the president. We believe every user of our service and any other technology service has the right to have their privacy, has the right to control of their data, and has a right to the security of that data whether it be from our government or any other and we are asking the US government to do more to make sure Americans know that they stand behind that promise.
TAPPER: The book is "Lean in for Graduates", the author Sheryl Sandberg thanks so much for your time.
SANDBERG: Thank you for having me, Jake.
TAPPER: Coming up, he's the guy with a job everybody wants until you see some of the things he's eating. Anthony Bourdain is traveling once again to parts unknown. He's joining us next with a preview.
TAPPER: Welcome back to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper.
In our Pop Culture Lead, forget the Dos Equis guy and his beard. Anthony Bourdain may actually be the most interesting man in the world. And this weekend, "Parts Unknown" returns as Bourdain visits India and gets a taste of the high up Himalayas or maybe we get a taste of how Bourdain reacts to the mixture of tiny roads and high altitude.
Take a look.
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ANTHONY BOURDAIN, "ANTHONY BOURDAIN, PARTS UNKNOWN" HOST: If my knees could vomit the terror, they would be.
They'd be vomiting with terror right now. They should have little underwear stop on this road, you know, we could like get a fresh air every couple of miles, "It's like, oh that was scary".
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TAPPER: And Anthony Bourdain joins us now. That was amusing but it also looked terrifying. That's the Land of the Gods, what were you doing up there exactly? BOURDAIN: Driving up to the former British Hill Station of Shimla, sort of a little England all the way up at the foothills of the Himalayas where the former British government infrastructure everybody would move up there in the hot months.
TAPPER: So what do you have coming up this season what are some of the highlights that we can look forward to?
BOURDAIN: Punjab, some serious eating in France, Vegas ...
BOURDAIN: ... sort of the flip side ...
TAPPER: What are you even eating in Vegas?
BOURDAIN: ... super high end and the life of the locals, all of the people who run the casinos, who go in the side doors of fantasy land out there.
And then I think what's going to be a very controversial, a Russia show. We arrived just in time, just before the Sochi Olympics and to the deep dive into sort of Putin's Imperial Russia.
TAPPER: I've been to Russia a couple of times. The vodka is unbelievable, it's not even remotely related to what we serve here as vodka.
BOURDAIN: And you if you ought to do responsible penetrating journalism in Russia it means you're going to be drinking a lot of vodka.
TAPPER: I hope so, I hope so, that's the only way to do. There's a clip of you sleeping on the train, you're talking about becoming the type of traveler you hate, a grouchy traveler.
TAPPER: Give us some do's and don'ts of traveling.
BOURDAIN: Eat whatever is offered, you know, it's a -- you're not making friends if you don't accept what is an expression of who they are, their culture. People are proud of their food. Most important thing, accept always as best as you can what's offered in a way of food or drink, it's personal, it's a small price to pay for breaking this kind of barriers. You know, try to be humble. Try to be grateful. It's an awesome thing to be able to see the world and travel and make the most of it.
TAPPER: What's the best you ate this season and what is the worst?
BOURDAIN: Well, I ate it -- I had a really -- an epic, epic meal at the (inaudible) in France, sort of a greatest hits of a long and glorious career that I'll remember to my last day on earth.
TAPPER: What was the highlight from that meal? BOURDAIN: A whole rabbit Lievre a la Royale, a really ancient old school dish of rabbit in a sauce of it's own, it doesn't sound that appetizing, blood and other parts, but ...
TAPPER: But it's good.
BOURDAIN: ... its actually is good.
TAPPER: OK, one of those foods that you not know what you're eating.
BOURDAIN: Actually, the worst is -- you know the best restaurants in Moscow is probably a worse case scenario. You know, I'd really rather eat street just about anywhere than a really pretentious, you know, awful sort of, you know, late 80s.
TAPPER: Is there anything you won't ingest?
BOURDAIN: You're not going to catch me eating a McNugget anytime soon.
TAPPER: Really? So just cheap gross fast-food ...
BOURDAIN: No. I like cheap gross fast-food, just, you know, I'd like to bear some resemblance to something I want to eat, you know, I'm a cheap macaroni and cheese, I'm all over that. But McNugget that's not for me.
TAPPER: Because it's ...
BOURDAIN: It's a Frankenchicken in my view, it's -- is it chicken, is it a nugget? I don't know.
TAPPER: You say that it's like a bad thing. "Anthony Bourdain, Parts Unknown" looking forward to the new season. It starts Sunday night -- exactly season of three of "Parts Unknown" at 9:00 PM eastern on CNN.
Thank you so much Anthony. I'm ...
BOURDAIN: Thank you.
TAPPER: ... really looking forward to it.
It is only been a week since David Letterman announced he was leaving the "Late Show" on CBS. We, in the media, were frankly looking forward to month of endless baseless speculation about who might replace the late night legend. But CBS I think go on short circuit all of that announcing Stephen Colbert will take over when David leaves sometime next year. But who is this Stephen Colbert who will be hosting that show?
Many viewers only know Stephen Colbert, the fake news correspondent who hosts comedy central's "The Colbert Report". Colbert tells the New York Times he will drop the protective force field of irony for the new gig and being himself. I sat down with that Stephen Colbert, the real one sometime ago. And I reminded him that I was actually with him the last time he got this career redefining news. It's a good thing he didn't listen to me then.
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TAPPER: You were my date to the White House Correspondents Dinner 2005 if -- before ...
STEPHEN COLBERT, AMERICAN TELEVISION HOST: In spring of 2005.
TAPPER: Right, here's my memory of that, so you get up in the middle of the White House Correspondents Dinner. You're my date. You're a lovely date by the way.
COLBERT: Thank you very much. I mean I'm a cheap date and ...
TAPPER: And a quick drunk.
COLBERT: ... and a quick drunk and ...
TAPPER: Speaking of which we're in a bar.
COLBERT: Can I get a cocktail.
TAPPER: Is that now vodka? I thought that was ...
COLBERT: This is nothing but pure sky, triple filtered.
TAPPER: You can have whatever you want. My impression was that you're a religious man, you're a devout man and that you don't ...
COLBERT: I only drink during lent.
TAPPER: OK. OK but let's go ahead. So anyway, so as the White House Correspondents Dinner you're my date, this is before your show.
COLBERT: If you meet Tom Bailey and remember ...
COLBERT: I remember you, me, and Tom Bailey, and the guy who got kicked of "Grey's anatomy" for calling one of the gay guys bad name.
TAPPER: Isaiah Washington.
COLBERT: Him yeah.
TAPPER: I think people think of us as a foursome.
TAPPER: In general.
COLBERT: He actually, I believe he thought he was real doctor, but go ahead.
TAPPER: I wondered why he kept touching me.
TAPPER: So anyway, you get up at some point during the meal, excuse me I said. You're very polite, you get up, about 45 minutes later you come back.
TAPPER: And you said, I just made a deal to have my own show.
COLBERT: Yes, and I told you what it was.
TAPPER: You told me what it was.
COLBERT: You said that's a terrible idea.
TAPPER: I said, I loved you as a correspondent, I ...
COLBERT: You kind of put cold water on it.
TAPPER: I was worried about it.
COLBERT: You were.
TAPPER: Yeah, I remember thinking.
COLBERT: I was, "Hey what?"
TAPPER: I was worried.
COLBERT: Why aren't you happy for me?
TAPPER: I was very happy for you, I was worried because I -- and I didn't know if you could do the character for half hour.
COLBERT: I didn't either. I know I could do it for half an hour. I'm not sure if I can do it half an hour more than once. I thought maybe by the second night, people go, "That guy is a complete A-hole, what would I watch him".
TAPPER: So obviously my misgivings were wrong, they were unfounded.
COLBERT: Your instincts are terrible ...
TAPPER: They're ...
COLBERT: ... not journalistic, you're show business instincts.
TAPPER: Well I'm just skeptic, I'm a natural skeptic.
COLBERT: Yes so skeptic is another flat word for A-hole. So go ahead.
TAPPER: So I was worried for you but I was wrong, you're a huge hit.
COLBERT: I'm enormous, am I still?
TAPPER: You could -- yes.
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TAPPER: That's it for The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper but we'll be back tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. and 9:00 p.m. Eastern.
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