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"WSJ": Plane Could Have Flown Four Hours Longer; Two Dead; 23 Injured in Accident SXSW Festival; Explosion Kills 7, 9 Still Missing; Defense Looking For Forensic Mistakes

Aired March 13, 2014 - 08:00   ET


BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Overnight, search crews came up empty again after satellite images suggested plane debris had been found. All of this as Malaysian authorities are calling into question this new report about those final moments of this doomed flight.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Deadly explosion. Two buildings explode in a busy New York City neighborhood, killing at least six people, injuring dozens more. What investigators think caused that blast. Could it have been prevented?

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Your NEW DAY continues right now.


ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Kate Bolduan and Michaela Pereira.

CUOMO: Good morning. Welcome to NEW DAY. It's Thursday, March 13th, 8:00 in the East. Michaela and I are joined once again by Brooke Baldwin.

BALDWIN: Good to be here.

CUOMO: Good to have you.

And there's a lot of new information on Malaysia Airlines 370. But new facts, not so much. The biggest new allegation is a "Wall Street Journal" report that the plane was in the air for four hours after controllers lost it. "The Journal" report means the plane could be anywhere, 2,500 miles out from its last known position just north of Malaysia.

Here's the problem. Here's why it's not a fact. Malaysian officials say it's a bogus report.

Also overnight, a search crew in Vietnam found no sign of debris where Chinese satellite images showed objects in the water. We're now told those images were released by mistake.

So we continue to try to suss out this story. Let's get back to Jim Clancy in Kuala Lumpur with the latest.

What's the best sense of what makes sense, Jim?

JIM CLANCY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, I saw that "Wall Street Journal" report this morning. I talked to the CEO of Malaysia Airlines, the head of civil aviation and a spokesman for the prime minister's office. And I said, look, we've got to have some answers.

They indicated they are going to have to study the facts and all of that. They said they'd come back to us. They did in this press conference. They say the report is not accurate.

The last signals that those -- the last data transmitted by those engines came at 1:07 in the morning. That's before the transponder was switched off. That's when all of the systems went down in terms of data transmission. And, therefore, according to one NTSB investigator, everything, all of the data would have been shut down.

That report as you noted, is debunked. The problem is, we have no answers on the plane itself. Listen.


CLANCY (voice-over): Malaysian officials say they found nothing.

HISHAMUDDIN HUSSEIN, MALAYSIAN TRANSPORTATION MINISTER: Let me be clear, there is no real precedent for a situation like this. The plane vanished. We have extended the search area because it is our duty to follow every lead, and we owe it to the families, and trust me when I say we will not give up.

CLANCY: And the hopes that these clues would lead to answers now not as promising. Vietnamese searchers came up empty after scouring the coordinates where Chinese satellite spotted three floating objects. It was near 370's flight path in waters between Malaysia and Vietnam, approximately 140 miles from where the plane's transponder went silent.

The images were from March 9th, one day after the aircraft went missing. Adding to the mystery of the missing airliner, the "Wall Street Journal" reports that U.S. investigators suspect the flight remained in the air an additional four hours beyond its last confirmed location.

Malaysian airlines CEO denies those reports.

In Beijing, China's premier said his country would not give up on the pursuit any of clues.

Another clue being pursued, the possibility the plane veered way off course. Officials here hope the U.S. can help sort out Malaysia's military radar records to prove or disprove that theory.

It all adds up to agony for the families of those missing. Paul Weeks was on Flight 370 heading to a job in Mongolia. Before boarding, he handed his wife his wedding ring and watch to give to their sons if anything should happen to him.

His wife spoke to "PIERS MORGAN LIVE" last night.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm praying that, you know, I can give that back to him, so I can hold on to, because there's no finality to it and we're not getting any information.

CLANCY: The hunt for the plane and the answers continues.


CLANCY: You know, no answers, you know, no airplane, it's a very trying time.

Interesting twist on those Chinese satellite photos. The Chinese embassy here issued a statement to Malaysian authorities saying it was a mistake to release those. They weren't linked to Flight 370 -- Brooke.

BALDWIN: Jim Clancy in Kuala Lumpur -- Jim, thank you.

Let's turn to Mary Schiavo, aviation attorney and former inspector general of the Department of Transportation.

We continue to turn to you. I mean, it's so troubling. I know investigators have to work on fact, right? But when you continue to get these reports from separate entities, most recent "Wall Street Journal," right, this reputable news organization, and the Malaysian government continues to refute these reports, who to believe? What does your gut tell you?

MARY SCHIAVO, FORMER U.S. DOT INSPECTOR GENERAL: Well, my gut tells me, the plane tells me that it's possible and it does transmit that data.

You know, the system status reports just like on the Air France 447 flight, those go out. There should have been data. First -- the premise is it should have been there. If it wasn't, it tells me that the flight had a horrific event at the time it disappeared from the radar and the transponder and all of that. I mean, that's the most logical thing. That data should have been there if the plane was flying on. It doesn't exist, it doesn't exist.

And you would expect it to have been turned over to the investigation because Boeing is in the investigation as a party. Rolls Royce is in the investigation. And if they didn't turn it over, it's very bad.

BALDWIN: So whether or not this plane was flying four hours after that transponder went off or not, what we do know is that the plane was made by Boeing, engines are made by Rolls Royce. So, we know there should be information coming from these companies to give investigators some inkling, some fact as far as what happened.

SCHIAVO: Exactly. And the absence of it -- if everything stopped at the moment when the transponder stopped reporting on the radar, then that is still the place to look. That's what investigation techniques tell you. You go back to the last known piece of evidence and start again from there.

And I think they have to return there. And Boeing and Rolls Royce better be darn sure that there is no information other than that because it would be extremely egregious and such grief for the families. That's the worst of all of this. They are hanging on every word of every official, and I think the officials have to keep that in mind.

BALDWIN: I know that the U.S. is helping. NTSB is called in to help look for this information and data. Can you just overall describe -- we're on day six, number of nations are helping. A lot of frustrations directed toward Malaysia.

How have they done so far, in your opinion?

SCHIAVO: Well, not well, and again, because it's not something that they have to do all the time. Let's face it. The United States has a lot of experience on aircraft investigations because we were the major flying nation for so many decades.

And one of the hallmarks of an NTSB investigation is gathering the facts. The first thing besides sending out the go team is gathering that data. Data like this -- the engine data, maintenance data, the performance data. They literally swoop in like a SWAT team and seize it all. That's what you have to do because often the secrets lie in the data and maintenance records.

BALDWIN: Mary Schiavo, thank you so much for joining us. Your expertise, invaluable.

SCHIAVO: Thank you.


CUOMO: All right, Brooke.

A street in Austin, Texas, became a crime scene in less than a minute. A suspect allegedly rammed his car through barricades set up for the South by Southwest Festival and just kept going, flowing into a crowed of people, leaving two dead, nearly two dozen others injured.

CNN's Rosa Flores is following details for us.

Rosa, what's the latest?

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, at this hour, we're learning more from witnesses on the scene about the grisly scene. They describe people bleeding on the street. And police officers tending to the wounded while ambulances arrived.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Multiple people down.

FLORES (voice-over): One minute of peril leaves two dead as a driver under pursuit crashes into a crowd of people at South by Southwest. People scattered in the streets with serious injuries. Police rushed to the scene, performing CPR as ambulances were on their way.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just saw all these people, like, just flying. It was terrifying.

FLORES: Police say the driver crashed through barricades they'd set up, plowing through a crowd outside of a nightclub. Nearly two dozen people were injured.

Witnesses describe a horrific scene.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People down every ten feet, everywhere you look somebody's been hit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just remember seeing people bouncing off in the street, all the way -- that's when there was cops coming through and the helicopter chasing him and everybody were scattered.

FLORES: Police say the suspect was driving the wrong way down a one- way street when they attempted to pull him over, suspecting him of drinking and driving. The suspect sped off, almost hitting an officer.

CHIEF ART ACEVEDO, AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT: As a result of this person's reckless and willful disregard for the safety of the people of this city, we've had two individuals that were pronounced dead.

FLORES: The suspect now facing two counts of capital murder for allegedly killing two people who were on a moped. Police say the suspect also struck a taxi and a van before fleeing on foot.

The whole incident took place in the span of one minute. Police subdued the driver with a taser, taking him into custody.


FLORES: Now, according to police, the suspect was allegedly drinking and driving. We don't know if this person is sober this morning, but the sobering reality is this person now faces two counts of capital murder.

BALDWIN: Let's talk to the police chief right now. We got him on the phone.

He is Police Chief Art Acevedo.

Chief, can you hear me?

ART ACEVEDO, AUSTIN POLICE CHIEF (via telephone): I sure can.

BALDWIN: Let me begin with the numbers to see if they still hold. Two dead from that moped, 23 injured, 5 critical. Do those numbers still stand this morning?

ACEVEDO: They still stand. We have one person in extremely critical condition. We've got them in our thoughts and prayers and are hoping they hold on. Those are good numbers so far. BALDWIN: OK, our thoughts and prayers as well, sir.

I heard you this morning in a news conference. This whole thing started as one of your officers was out about looking for drunk drivers. We know the suspect is now in custody. What was his blood alcohol level?

ACEVEDO: Well, we did a search warrant. It had to go to the lab. We won't be getting it back immediately. It will take a few days. We're going to make that a priority.

But we're confident that he was under the influence. But more importantly, it's clear to us that he didn't care about anybody but himself. In a span of one minute, this man decided to change the lives of a multitude of families. I'm just glad that our officers were able to be on the spot to help us save lives and more importantly, catch this guy before he hurt anybody else.

BALDWIN: I know that officer who was pursuing him, doing his job, there's a case being considered by the U.S. Supreme Court right now when it comes to these police chases.

I just have to ask you, did this officer -- what was he working in line with your protocol? Were there fears at all given the fact that south by southwest music festival, a lot of people in the streets that there could have been other injuries?

ACEVEDO: Well, absolutely. This happened in less than a minute. Our officer was not able to pursue him to the very last second because he went through -- the bad guy went through a shell gas station parking lot.

Our officer backed up. He didn't realize he was actually fleeing from him at the rate of speed he was going. Weren't able to initiate the pursuit until after he'd already struck a bunch of pedestrians. At that point, the officer made the decision to try to stop him before he hurt somebody else. He was able to do that (INAUDIBLE)

BALDWIN: I understand that there was -- it was a Mohawk music club, barricades, crowds. Can you just describe the scene for me as best as you can when this car came careening through?

ACEVEDO: He made a right turn, went around the barricades. We had a uniformed officer at the barricades that was forced to jump out of the way. Close to getting hit himself. We were fortunate we had moved folks and the security had moved a lot of folks on the sidewalks because there is a fire lane there that we keep open for fire apparatus.

But for that, this would have been a lot worse. I think as tragic as it is, we have a silver lining that we have had just moved a lot of people off the street. Obviously, this guy decided to do what he did. I think it was a very selfish act of putting these people at risk and killing two of our -- the music-goers, our residents.

BALDWIN: Such a happy place. I've been to South By and I just imagine this drunk driver plowing through all these innocent people is absolutely horrendous.

Chief, thank you so much.

ACEVEDO: You're welcome. Have a great day.


CUOMO: Tough situation.


CUOMO: Another situation developing overnight. More victims pulled from the rubble two of New York City apartment buildings that were leveled in a suspected natural gas explosion. Authorities now confirmed seven people have died, nine others still unaccounted for this morning.

Situation is far from over. It's a big debris pile. There's space underneath. So, it's tough to search for firefighters and rescuers. And the adjoining buildings have been compromised as well.

We have people on the ground.

CNN's Poppy Harlow is live for us in Harlem.

What's the latest, Poppy?

POPPY HARLOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi. Good morning to you, Chris. This is very much still an active search and recovery mission for those nine people that are still unaccounted for.

This is a tragedy in the middle of the heart of the Puerto Rican community here in New York City and East Harlem. Two buildings absolutely leveled after this explosion, believed to be caused by some sort of gas leak.

Let's pan in so you can see, because smoke, steam still coming out. Why is that? It's because fire is still raging in pockets of this building. The wind has made it more complicated to put out -- this at the same time as first responders continue to dig through the rubble.

As you said, seven people have died. Seven people have died. Hopefully that number will not go up, but it has been rising overnight.

We just found out another identity of one of the victims, a 21-year- old young woman dying in all of this.

People want answers. They want to know why this happened. Why was there a leak? The only warning was a 15-minute before this, a call from a resident saying they smelled gas. The explosion happened, as you know, Chris, before any first responders could get here.

A lot of unanswered questions are still at this hour searching for the nine people that remain unaccounted for -- Michaela. PEREIRA: No time for them to get away. And the concern about those nine other people that are still missing. All right. Poppy, stay on it. We'll get back to you when we can.

Let's take a look at other headlines now at quarter past the hour.


PEREIRA (voice-over): Three days, just three days until Crimeans are expected to vote to secede from Ukraine and become part of Russia. This morning, western countries are warning Russia to change course. A Europe based economic group has postponed Russia's process for membership.

This comes a day after President Obama met with Ukraine's interim prime minister at the White House. Both men warning Moscow there could be serious consequences if that election takes place.

President Obama flexing more executive authority. He's set to bypass Congress and order the labor department to institute changes in the rules governing overtime pay today. The changes are aimed at those considered supervisory employees who currently can be exempt from overtime if they make more than $455 a week. The new rules are not likely to take effect until next year.

Pretty stunning new developments concerning that massive GM recall. We told you about it here on NEW DAY. The new information that reveals that the -- what the car maker suspected and when. A filing with federal safety regulators shows that GM have received reports of an ignition switch defect back in 2001.

That's three years earlier than it previously disclosed. That defect is now linked to 12 deaths and at least 31 crashes over the past decade.

New charges against former NFL star, Darren Sharper. A grand jury in Tempe, Arizona has just indicted him on two counts of sexual assault and three counts of administering dangerous drugs. Sharper is under investigation for rape in five states, including California, Nevada, Florida and Louisiana. New Orleans police have just issued a warrant for his arrest. Sharper is scheduled to attend an extradition hearing today in Los Angeles.

Today marks one year since Pope Francis was elected by the College of Cardinals. We saw the smoke go up. He's marking the occasion with a spiritual retreat in Rome. He became the first Latin-American pope and also the first pope to choose the name Francis when he was elected to replace retiring Pope Benedict. His message to his followers today came via tweet. He tweeted, "please pray for me."


BALDWIN: Here were go. You were covering the conclave.

CUOMO: I did. What a highlight.

PEREIRA (on-camera): It's hard to believe that it's been a year.

CUOMO: It has. It's been some year for them. Much better year for him. He's really established himself as the humble leader that church so desperately needs. Habemus papam. We have a pope. I remember that. We couldn't wait to say it. Really good stuff.

BALDWIN: So, when you think of the city of Buffalo, New York, I think of buffalo wings. Maybe it's just because I'm like ready to eat breakfast, but also --

CUOMO: What's better for breakfast?



INDRA PETERSONS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: And by the way, in fair exchange, it is totally not even breakfast for us anymore. We can have lunch right now.

BALDWIN: This is lunch time for us because we've been up for a few hours.

PETERSONS: -- this early

BALDWIN: But also snow.

CUOMO: Indra Petersons --

PETERSONS: Talk about how much snow. I mean, they had a blizzard yesterday. I mean, take a look at the video that we have here for you, I think, where we had about 13.8 inches in Buffalo. This is a live shot right now where you can actually see some of that video. That is a daily -- or double their daily record for the day. Unbelievable how much snow they had.

Good news, finally starting locally to clear out of there, but we're all left with what is behind it and that is the cold air, guys. We feel it this morning. I know I'm feeling it. New York City is 19 degrees. But that's not it. It is windy. This is the worst part. It's when the winds are so strong, 30, 40-mile-per-hour winds are out there so it feels even worse. We have like two days of a tease of spring, right? So long gone.

And right now, New York City feels like four. I can't even complain. At least we feel like we're above zero. Pittsburgh feels like five below. Detroit feels like eight below. Chicago at the lovely three mark. Here's the good news. It is not going to last. That system that brought all the trouble is kicking out of here, but unfortunately for today, look at this temperature difference. This is what we're talking about.

Yesterday, D.C. was 69. Today, your high is 36. New York City staying into the 20s. No one likes this. But here you go. There's a system making its way out of here. A couple more inches still in the forecast for them. But keep in mind, by the weekend, which is all that really matters, the temperatures rebound very quickly. So, we can go outdoors. We can go have some munchies outside.

BALDWIN: Buffalo wings. Whatever.

PETERSONS: Buffalo wings. Why not?

BALDWIN: -- this morning, apparently.


PETERSONS: I'll find you some like --


CUOMO: Yes. Of course --

BALDWIN: Why not? I'm in.

CUOMO: On the way.

Coming up on NEW DAY, that's why we have to take a break, have to get the wings.


CUOMO: The court has been forced to change how it does thing after a bad mistake. What does that mean? That is just bad prompter copy. But here's what's going on in the Oscar Pistorius' trial. The defense is fired up this morning over missing evidence. What is going on at the trial? We're going to take you through it. Some big issues to discuss.

BALDWIN: And of course, we've been covering this morning, a lot going on overseas. You have this missing Malaysia plane. Day six. Also, the crisis in Ukraine. We will talk with New York congressman and Homeland Security Committee chair, Peter King. Coming up.


CUOMO: So listen to this. It was a mistake so bad it left Oscar Pistorius retching in court again. There was a gruesome image of his dead girlfriend's body accidentally flashed right in front of him and everybody else in open court. It had the prosecutor apologizing saying graphic evidence and evidence slideshows will now be preceded by a warning.

Meanwhile, the case goes on and that really wasn't the big moment. A former police commander was back on the stand this morning, and the defense is grilling him about missing pieces from that ever present bathroom door. Why? Why is it so important? Sunny Hostin is a CNN legal analyst and host of the CNN's "Making the Case," new show.


CUOMO: I like being able to intro you that way. And Mr. Danny Cevallos is a criminal defense attorney and CNN legal analyst. Danny, let's start with you. And we're going to be talking about the door. Explain why the splinters are so important and the idea that when the shots were fired, the door was intact. Some good forensics work on display here. What could it mean to your side?

DANNY CEVALLOS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: It is interesting. It is good forensics work and that they are concluding that the shots were fired before or after the door was hit and splintered. But on the other side, the defense is making the point that it is bad forensics work because they didn't handle the evidence in an ideal way. And I know that Sunny is going to say that you can't win in these situations.

And I will concede that no matter what, there's always a better way evidence could have been handled. The defense has elicited testimony that if the -- this wasn't -- this door wasn't stored particularly well. They didn't preserve the splinters particularly well and they could have gleaned more evidence. And I will concede, look, sometimes, you can't win, but the defense has an obligation to explore whether or not the evidence was handled properly.

CUOMO: Well, I see the timeline as the bigger issue here. And if the door is intact means it wasn't hit with a cricket bat before the shots, it feeds the story that he shot first and then realized it was his girlfriend so he used the bat. That's helpful. Another big component of the sequence of events which means accident or premeditated is the prosthetics.

Now, early on, the prosecutors were big on, he didn't have them on, then he had them on, and that shows, they seemed to have moved away from that. What do you make --

SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: They have. And I think it's a wash at this point. The prosecution has moved away from it, Chris. Bottom line is, Pistorius says, you know, I was on my stumps. That's why I felt vulnerable. That's why I started shooting. Prosecution is saying, well, no, used to say, but the bullets' trajectory really was a bit higher so it seems as if he was on his prosthetics which leads more against -- more sort of towards this intentional shooting.

I think at this point, the prosecution has moved away from it because it was clear from the prosecutor's own expert that it really is possible that he was shooting on his stumps, which I think sort of coincides a bit more with his testimony. And I think if this were in front of a jury, Chris, this would be a big deal.

CUOMO: Big deal?

HOSTIN: It's in front of a judge, though.

CUOMO: And two fact assessors.

HOSTIN: And two fact assessors. But I think that the judge is not going to be persuaded by this particular evidence. I think it's going to really lean more towards what the evidence has shown and what the -- I think what the witnesses have said.

CUOMO: And maybe what the prosecutors seem to be doing is they seem to be leaving the legs, so to speak, but they're now going to the angles of the strikes of the bat. They've made a big deal of saying that he had to be coming over his shoulder, but the strikes are horizontal which seems to mean he wasn't. What is that about?

HOSTIN: You know, I think what it's about is because the prosecution has to show that there was a big argument before. He's got the cricket bat. He's trying get her out of the bathroom and then shoots in this premeditated fashion. The defense wants it to be, no, the shots came in first and then he's still on his stumps and he's hitting the door trying to get in.

I got to tell you, again, it's kind of a wash for me, this whole cricket bat. And I see Danny is, you know, agreeing with me, oddly enough. And the prosthetics. I think all of that is a wash. It's really going to come down to Oscar Pistorius' testimony and whether or not this judge finds him credible and all of the witness testimony and all of them say that they did hear this argument and they did hear a woman screaming.

CUOMO: It's so amazing that a door -- you know, I've got all these tweets when this started, at social media about, oh, who cares about the door? Everything seems to wind up being seen by what's in this door, the sequence of events. It's become so pivotal. Another reason it's pivotal, Danny, is that Oscar Pistorius says I needed to use the cricket bat. I'm using the cricket bat and all of a sudden, I saw the key on the floor.

It hasn't been mentioned in trial yet. Vinnie Politan brought it up here yesterday, so I read in on it. What's going on with your side here? He needs a cricket bat, that he sees the key on the floor and wants of using (ph) the key to open the door? Sounds suspicious, no, Danny?

CEVALLOS: I think that is going to be problematic, because I do agree with Sunny. At this point, we're quibbling over how did he swing the bat at how many centimeters high was he? Was he on his stumps? Was he on his prosthetics? And then you have an introduction of evidence that, oh, he may have kicked it and that explains the sock particles in the door.

And now, I think after a point it becomes awash. Who knows how he got the door open? But I will concede that if after all this banging and smashing he finds the key and is able to effortlessly open the door, I think that can still be explained away by the defense. Look, it's a dark room. Maybe he didn't see the key --


HOSTIN: I know where the keys are in my house.

CUOMO: I don't even know why you have a key to the bathroom door, by the way. It's a little weird also. You know?

HOSTIN: Yes. And why would she lock it?

CEVALLOS: That is true. I agree.

CUOMO: Why was the door locked? But, if he opened with the key --

CEVALLOS: But the prosecutors like Sunny will point to that.

CUOMO: It feeds, Danny and Sunny, the idea that the sequencing of events is, I'm mad at you. You run away. I use the cricket bat, then I shoot, then I find the key and open the door to see what happens. It does suggest that.

HOSTIN: It does suggest that. And I think that's going to be the prosecutor's main argument. And that's why I think the prosthetics and the cricket bat, that doesn't really matter as much in terms of the forensics on the door. What really matters is like, you just mentioned, sort of a sequence of events and what the evidence shows in terms of the witness testimony.

I think that's really going to be much more persuasive to this judge than this forensics because I do think the defense did a pretty decent job of saying, you know, this is -- with a shoddy police investigation. Could have been done a bit better and that's when I think a judge says, you know, I'm not going to focus on that. I'm going to focus on really the eyewitness testimony.

CUOMO: Whenever one of the lead investigators winds up in hot water legally himself, you know --

HOSTIN: You know.

CUOMO: -- that you're going to be attacked for the investigation.

HOSTIN: That's right.

CUOMO: But it's amazing how much --

CEVALLOS: Happens more than you think.

CUOMO: It does, Danny. I know how you feel about the system.


CUOMO: Danny Cevallos, thank you very much for joining us. Sunny --


CEVALLOS: I love the system. I love it.

CUOMO: Now, you love them (ph).


CUOMO: Good luck with the new show. You're great on it.

HOSTIN: Thank you. Thank you.

CUOMO: Brooke.

BALDWIN: All right. Chris, thank you so much. Coming up next on NEW DAY, we're watching major stories unfolding this morning. The growing crisis in Ukraine, accusations of CIA spying by a top U.S. senator, and the disappearance of that plane, that Malaysia Airlines flight 370. We are digging deeper with our upcoming guest, New York congressman, Peter King.

And, how are they searching for it, you ask? We will show you. Some pretty incredible high-tech equipment being used right now to find this thing. Stay here.