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What Happened to Flight 370?; Adam Lanza's Father Speaks; Russians, Ukrainians Clash At Rally; Interview With Sen. John McCain
Aired March 10, 2014 - 08:00 ET
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're intensifying our efforts to locate the missing aircraft.
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CUOMO: A desperate search, what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370? We have the latest on the search, the miles long oil slick. New theories about what could not have happened and growing concerns about missing passports and the possibility of terrorism.
BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Speaking out. The father of the Sandy Hook shooter gives his first interview since the Newtown massacre saying he wishes his son had never been born. Also this morning, the reporter who spoke with him reveals why he's coming forward now.
MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Taking to the streets. Rallies turn violent in Ukraine as thousands of protesters gather across Crimea and despite growing international pressure, Russian President Vladimir Putin refuses to stand down. What happens next? Senator John McCain joins us live.
CUOMO: Your NEW DAY continues right now.
ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Kate Bolduan, and Michaela Pereira.
BALDWIN: And good morning. Welcome back to NEW DAY. It is Monday, March 10th. Eight o'clock in the East. I'm Brooke Baldwin.
Thanks for having me, Chris Cuomo.
CUOMO: Great to have you.
BALDWIN: Sitting in for Kate on a I'm sure much deserved vacation.
Let's begin with this story that is really baffling investigators here, because just the sheer numbers -- 40 ships, 34 planes and search teams from several nations, they are trying to find, just a trace of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, and we have just learned here that the U.S. Navy is now sending in a second ship to join the search. The FBI is now involved in the investigation as we learn more about those two passengers who boarded that jet Saturday morning with stolen passports.
We have reporters tracking the latest developments in Malaysia and in Washington.
So, Jim Clancy, let me begin with you, in Kuala Lumpur. Good morning.
JIM CLANCY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you, Brooke.
BALDWIN: Tell me what you know.
CLANCY: All options are open. That's what investigators are saying and they're also saying that, you know, all theories are being considered.
But the truth is that for almost three complete days of searching, we don't have a shred of evidence what happened to this jetliner. Now, I talked to a Malaysian army general right here in this spot just a short while ago, and he hung his head, he shook his head and he talked about the frustration but didn't talk about giving up.
CLANCY (voice-over): This morning, the search intensifies for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Now, three days into this exhaustive search for clues, multi-national rescue teams are scouring the waters of the South China Sea. Overnight, Malaysia's civil aviation chief says no wreckage has been found.
AZHARUDDIN ABDUL RAHMAN, MALAYSIA CIVIL AVIATION CHIEF: We have not found anything that appears to be objects from the aircraft, let alone the aircraft.
CLANCY: Authorities submitted sample from a suspicious oil slick in the waters between Malaysia and Vietnam, but it was determined to be fuel from a maritime vessel.
Teams from the United States, Thailand and China, all involved in the search effort with more than 30 aircraft and some 40 ships across at least 50 nautical miles. The missing Boeing 777 took off from Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia just before 1:00 a.m. on Saturday.
Less than an hour after take-off, the tower lost the plane's signal. No distress call sent and the weather clear at the time.
The Boeing 777 and its 239 people aboard seemingly vanished.
Despite the lack of clues, officials here say they have some leads.
GEN. TAN SRI DATO SRI RODZALI DAUD, ROYAL MALAYSIAN AIR FORCE: We look back at the recording and there is a possible indication that the aircraft may have turned back. CLANCY: Malaysia and Thailand are investigating the possibility that the flight may have changed course and tried to turn back. Adding to the mystery, Interpol says two of the passengers used stolen passports. Now they're examining surveillance videos and additional suspect passports.
This Facebook page has been dedicated to the 239 people who the airline says belong to 14 different nations. Three Americans were on board, including 50-year-old Phillip Wood from North Texas.
CLANCY: Now, Malaysian airlines said that if the wreckage is located or when it is located, that they are going to bring the families to the site paying all of their expenses. Already, some of those family members are coming here to Kuala Lumpur. After all, this was the last place that their loved ones were barely an hour before they vanished into thin air -- Chris.
CUOMO: And, Jim, important to remember that the unknown is most painful for those families. So, we keep them in focus in terms of why the answers matter so much. Appreciate the reporting this morning.
Now, as we go down the road of possibility here, the terrorism theory is out there. And we know that investigators are considering it but there's so many unknowns surrounding this theory as well. For one, why hasn't a group claimed credit if this was intentional? If it was work of terrorists, they are not rushing to take credit. That we know for sure.
Now, for all we don't know there's some solid information this morning. Federal investigators are looking very closely at two passengers who boarded that Boeing 777 with stolen passports.
Let's bring in CNN justice correspondent Pamela Brown live from Washington with more on that.
What do we know?
PAMELA BROWN, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Chris, right now, authorities are working to identify who those two passengers who boarded Flight 370 with stolen passports were and whether they may have been terrorists. Now, officials say people use stolen passports for a variety of reasons such as drug smuggling and human trafficking. And at this point, there's no credible link to terrorism, though, it hasn't been ruled out.
But the fact that two people could board a plane with stolen passports is raising questions about security on international flights, because all it would have taken was a quick search of Interpol's database to see if the passports of those two passengers had been stolen. In fact, Interpol says the two stolen passports hadn't been checked at all since they were entered into the database last year and in 2012, leaving open the possibility they may have been used before.
Now, according to Interpol, last year alone, passengers were able to board planes without their passports screened against Interpol's database more than 1 billion times. There are 800 million searches a year in Interpol's database, producing 60,000 hits that people using lost or stolen passports and the U.S. searches Interpol's database more than 250 million times a year.
Important to note, it's up to each government's country to check the database not the airline. An official say that some countries may not use the database because they simply don't have the technical capabilities or the resources to wire into Interpol's network -- Brooke.
BALDWIN: Pamela, thank you so much.
Let's talk more about this with Tom Fuentes, CNN law enforcement analyst and a former FBI assistant director.
Tom Fuentes, good morning to you.
TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Good morning, Brooke.
BALDWIN: Here's what I want to begin with. First, just the news, now that we're learning the U.S. is now sending that second U.S. warship, also the fact that we know that FBI is involved. It's been three days. This is a big jet.
What's your read on that?
FUENTES: Well, that's true, Brooke. But the FBI would have been involved from the very beginning. The FBI has an office in the U.S. embassy in Kuala Lumpur, as well as an office in Beijing and in Bangkok, Thailand, because some of this investigation will go back to the stolen passports. They were both stolen almost in the same play, in Phuket, Thailand, one year apart and then, now turn up being use simultaneously to purchase two tickets for this flight.
So, then the investigation, obviously, has been focusing from the beginning on who are the individuals that used those passports. What do they look like?
BALDWIN: So, you bring up the passports and a lot of people might want to jump to conclusions and thinking stolen passports, maybe that's terrorism. Not necessarily because Southeast Asia, this corner of the world is rife for -- you know, buying and selling passports, and get a lot of money for passports. Someone may not have had necessarily an evil intent grabbing a stolen passport and boarding a plane.
FUENTES: No, that's true. But these just weren't picked up in an airport and someone decided to use them. The fact that two were used that were stolen a year apart indicates there's something else going on with that. It may have nothing to do with terrorism or nothing to do with what with this flight but it's suspicious and coincidental, and has to be checked out.
BALDWIN: How do you board a plane with a stolen passport? How do they get on? FUENTES: Because you show identification to get your ticket at the ticket counter and get your boarding pass issued to you and then go through some level of security between getting your ticket and boarding the aircraft when you go through the magnetometers and all of that. You show your passport to security and you might show it two, three times. That's really the only form of identification usually required before boarding an international flight.
BALDWIN: So, even though it was stolen, buzzers would not have gone off, I guess, is what I'm getting at.
FUENTES: No, no. There's no check being done. Airlines don't have access to check it. Back when I was on the executive committee of Interpol several years ago, we tried to, you know, encourage countries, please use this system on outbound flights, many more countries including the U.S. use it you know both ways or when passengers arrive and go through passport control.
FUENTES: When you scan the passport it checks the country's databases if you're wanted or on one of the watch lists, or it checks the databases at the same time in Lyon, France, Interpol headquarters, to see if you're a wanted person internationally --
FUENTES: -- and/or if the document itself is stolen.
BALDWIN: Tom, here is my final question to you because we were thinking so much also about security getting on this plane. People who could have touched baggage, et cetera. I'm also wondering, though, if security would have been high because of those worries ahead of the Sochi Winter Games, reports of potential use of toothpaste tubes as bombs on planes. Would that have been a concern, would security have been higher?
FUENTES: I don't -- you know, those reports come out almost weekly or monthly and security are always on the look out. We had liquids, toothpaste, bombs in shoes. You name it.
So, you know, they are always trained to look at that. Not all checked luggage is examined and, you know, in a lot of cases, things can be brought on an aircraft that could still later be used to harm the aircraft. We don't know.
Now, just recently within the last month, you had an individual dead in the wheel well of an aircraft landing at Dulles Airport here in Washington.
FUENTES: Now, that's a person. The size of a human being getting in that wheel when the flight takes off and then being found dead when it landed. But when you look at the size of a body, that could have been a duffel bag of explosives, that could have been a suicide bomber that strapped explosives on, and when the airplane got to a certain altitude, before he froze to death, could have detonated the explosives.
So, you have many people that have access to an aircraft, from the food services, the housekeeping people that come on to clean it --
FUENTES: -- the people that service it on the ground. So, there are literally hundreds of other people besides crew and passengers.
BALDWIN: All the different layers we know investigators are combing through in addition to the massive waters to people who would have had access to that plane.
Tom Fuentes, thank you so much this morning. Appreciate you very much.
FUENTES: You're welcome.
BALDWIN: And now, Chris, back over to you.
CUOMO: All right. Brooke, we have new insight into the Newtown shooting coming from the father of the shooter as he struggle tolls come to grips with the fact that his son was a mass killer.
Peter Lanza is telling "The New Yorker" something I've never heard from a parent. He says, "I wish my child was never born."
National correspondent Susan Candiotti is here with more details -- Susan.
SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Chris, Peter Lanza says he doesn't think anyone could have predicted his son Adam would become a mass murderer. Not even his ex-wife Nancy who was Adam's first victim.
In his father's words about his son, "You can't get any more evil."
CANDIOTTI (voice-over): Peter Lanza, the father of Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza, has broken his silence, saying, "With hindsight, I know Adam would have killed me in a heartbeat if he had the chance."
In his first interview since the horrific shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, nearly 15 months ago, Lanza tells "The New Yorker" magazine he has met with two families of his son's victims saying, "A victim's family member told me that they forgave Adam after we spent three hours talking. I didn't even know how to respond."
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Twenty little children, six adults.
WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Unimaginable horror grips the nation. ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Police have now identified a school shooter as Adam Lanza.
CANDIOTTI: Lanza says when he realized what happened, he called his wife at work telling her over and over, "I think it's Adam. It's Adam."
Lanza says he knew his son had problems but he was difficult to treat and in his words, "He did not want to talk about problems and didn't even admit he had Asperger's."
Lanza also describes changes he saw in his son. "It was crystal clear something was wrong. Asperger's makes people unusual but it doesn't make people like this."
Authorities later found that Adam had holed up in his room, windows covered by black garbage bags seen in these photos. Peter Lanza says, as things got worse with his son, Adam's mother, Lanza's ex-wife Nancy cared for him primarily. In his words, "She wanted everyone to think everything was OK." He adds, "She didn't fear her son, she slept with her bedroom door unlocked and she kept guns in the house, which she would not have done if she were frightened."
These photos released late last year by the Connecticut state police show an open gun locker several firearms and lots of ammunition inside the home. Peter Lanza says he is haunted by his son, dreaming about him nightly, detailing one nightmare being hunted like one of his son's victims.
CANDIOTTI: Lanza chose to tell his story with writer Andrew Solomon who has written extensively about mental illness. In Solomon's view, Lanza's mother tried to give her son a good day instead of a good life, but adds Lanza does not blame her for what happened.
Chris, we also understand that Mr. Lanza does not intend to do any more interviews on the subject.
BALDWIN: Susan, this was --
CUOMO: Certainly helps a little bit but also raises a lot of questions about how two years went by, didn't see his son and how they weren't managing the kid --
BALDWIN: He knew there were issues. Why he wasn't banging down the door? Yes.
CUOMO: So, search for answers continues, right?
All right. Let's take a look at more of your headlines as it's quarter past the hour. We could be near a breaking point in Ukraine. Russia supporters have now taken over a military hospital in Crimea, that following violence breaking out when people at a pro-Ukrainian rally were attacked. And Russians have also built up their presence established in a border, dividing Crimea from Ukraine.
Let's get back to CNN's Anna Coren. She has the latest for us from there -- Anna.
ANNA COREN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Michaela, less than a week before that referendum, which will decide if Crimea becomes part of Russia, certainly Russian forces, the buildup, I should say, is intensifying. We went up to this new border that they are creating between Crime and Ukraine.
We weren't allowed to film, but what we saw were camps of Russian troops, armored personal carriers dug in, barbed wire being rolled out, and landmine signs being erected. One local actually told us that a dug (ph) there had been blown up a few days ago. So, you know, these troops, they are digging in. They are there to stay. They don't want us reporting the evidence, but Michaela, I can assure you that certainly it would appear that the Crimean Peninsula has already become part of Russia -- Michaela.
PEREIRA: All right. We'll keep watching it with you, Anna. Thank you so much for that.
To breaking news overnight, a powerful 6.9 magnitude earthquake hit off the Northern California coast Sunday night.
PEREIRA (voice-over): Now, according to the USGS, that quake hit about 50 miles west of Eureka in Humboldt County there in Northern California. Shaking was felt as far as the bay area and as far north as Oregon. No reports, so far, of major damage nor injuries.
Also breaking overnight, the prime suspect in Natalee Holloway's disappearance will be extradited to the United States. Peru agreed to send Joran Van Der Sloot to the U.S. but only after he serves his sentence for killing another woman. That prison term does not end for another 24 years. Van Der Sloot faces charges here for allegedly trying to extort money from Holloway's mother.
Well, if Justin Bieber is looking to help his image, this is not going to help. Clips obtain by TMZ from a recent deposition showed Bieber talking back to his lawyers and giving them a little attitude.
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JUSTIN BIEBER, SINGER: My lawyer is asking a question. My lawyer is asking a question.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're not here to answer his questions. You're here to answer mine. Have you ever disciplined, Mr. Hessly (ph)?
BIEBER: Disciplined. What kind of question is that? Is he my son (ph)? Guess what, I don't recall. (END VIDEO CLIP)
PEREIRA: Bieber is being questioned about a lawsuit concerning his bodyguard. He's also facing, as you know, some legal trouble of his own after an arrest for drunk driving in Florida earlier this year.
And just an unbelievable sight captured by a man in his camera in Florida. A small plane getting tangled with a skydiver both of them hitting the ground hard. What is more amazing than the pictures themselves is the outcome. Both the pilot and the parachutist survived with only minor injuries. The pilot, 87 years old and practicing touch and go maneuvers, landing and taking off, landing and taking off when that collision happened.
PEREIRA (on-camera): I almost think that it's better to see the stills because I think seeing video of it would be just too much.
BALDWIN: Up and down, up and down, up and down, and somehow, our biggest question this morning is where did the skydiver come from?
PEREIRA: Well, you know, oftentimes, like I don't skydive, but you see that --
PEREIRA: But these are the wind comes up or they get way laid or try to avoid a power line or something.
BALDWIN: Indra, you're shaking your head.
INDRA PETERSONS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: -- as you. We're just kind --
BALDWIN: How does this happen?
PETERSONS: I'm completely lost with you on that.
PETERSONS: We also have another little thing and kind of want to show you. Pretty interesting. We have some pictures here from space looking at the satellite. This is the lakes. Last year, 38.4 percent coverage. Notice you can actually see the lakes, right? Now take a look at it this month. We're talking about 92 percent of the lakes currently covered so much so that we're now at second place for the most we've ever had it covered.
The last record looked like it was back in 1979. Keep in mind, records are only from about 1973, though, since we've had satellites. Well, we actually have a record from Michigan, itself. It's actually number one now for the amount of coverage we have seen. So, that's a pretty good idea if you didn't already know that it's been a very cold winter. So, you may enjoy this. Temperatures going up today, even more so than what we saw over the weekend. Beautiful. We're looking at 70s out towards Charlotte, looking at some 60s say for D.C. New York City looking for 50s. Tomorrow it gets even better, guys. We're talking about 60s out towards New York City. Temperatures like 15, 20 degrees above average for this time of year. Just know, you need to enjoy it.
It is not lasting. Look at these drops, 50s down to 20s. That's New York City by Thursday. D.C. goes from 60s. Just hurts (ph). Down to the 30s by Wednesday in through Thursday. So, what's going on? Another storm yes. Winter is not over with just yet. Making its way. It's going to go across the plains, the upper Midwest, then in through Wednesday and Thursday right towards the northeast.
For now, the bulk of the system staying north of us. That's the piece of good news. The heaviest snow, of course, right in Burlington, maybe out towards Maine, but maybe it kind of goes across the Ohio Valley about five to six inches. But for now, like I keep saying, we are talking about today 15, 20 degrees above-normal. I need this, guys. This is a long winter.
BALDWIN: Loving it.
PETERSONS: Might a little be --
BALDWIN: Loving it.
CUOMO: Could be perfect. Warm during the week. Towards the end of the week, more snow for those who enjoy the winter snow sports.
CUOMO: My blood is pure Italian, all Mediterranean.
CUOMO: Let's take a break here on NEW DAY. When we come back, we do have breaking news out of Ukraine. CNN remains on the ground in all the most important areas. And here's the latest you're looking at it. Rallies turn violent as thousands of protesters gather across Crimea, and Russian president, Vladimir Putin, refuses to stand down.
Word now that Crimea's borders are being guarded by landmines. What happens next? We bring in a senator who has been right about the situation all along, Senator John McCain. in the D.C. House when we come back. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
CUOMO: Welcome back to NEW DAY.
The White House says President Obama will host Ukraine's interim government Wednesday, this, as thousands turn out across Ukraine to protest both for and against Russian intervention in Crimea. What does this all mean? How did we get here? What will happen next? Tough questions.
But, we have someone who has as good as shot at knowing as anybody else, Senator John McCain. It's very good to have you, Senator. Thanks for being on the show.
SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, (R) ARIZONA: Thank you.
CUOMO: So, let's deal with how we got here. Question of perspective. Whom do you think mismanaged the relationship with Vladimir Putin worse, President Bush or President Obama?
MCCAIN: I think that both, but Georgia pales in comparison to Ukraine. Just look at the map. But also, I think it's important to recognize that he was encouraged by Georgia so you have to put some blame on the Bush administration. But having said that, there's no doubt that he now has three, Moldova, he occupies part of that country, Georgia, and now Ukraine.
This has very serious implications for future activities of Mr. Putin because what this administration and to a degree the last administration doesn't understand, Vladimir Putin is an old apparatchik KGB colonel that believes in the Russian empire. This is the guy that said the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century was the breakup of the Soviet Union.
So, whether we're in the 21st century or 18th century or whatever it is, Vladimir Putin is what he is and has to be treated accordingly.
CUOMO: Now --
MCCAIN: And by the way, that does not mean reignition of the cold war.
CUOMO: Understood. Although, it needs saying because there's so much on the table now in terms of options. In fairness, you have always been aggressively against Vladimir Putin and at least in terms of underestimating what he really wants. Why do you think? You've now had two presidents take such a different perspective on this man and seem to come out on the short end of the stick.
MCCAIN: I think hope over realism. When you look into somebody's eyes and see their soul, something like that, the reset which clearly wasn't working, in a whole broad variety of ways, I think, again, it's hope over reality. And all of us want to get along with the Russians, but the fact is that Vladimir Putin presides over a decaying empire, but yet, at the same time, he's going to do what's necessary, what he thinks is necessary to preserve that (INAUDIBLE) of which the Ukraine is the crown jewel.
You look at Ukraine on a map. It's been said many times probably on this show, Russia with Ukraine is an empire, and without it, it's a country. And Vladimir Putin understands that and we have to treat him accordingly.
CUOMO: And it's interesting because going into this situation, there was so much speculation it was accidental, we didn't see it coming. You have seen it all along. This is what he's always wanted, he needs it. Now, one thing that --
MCCAIN: I know on the Sunday show many other people said, wow, this just sort of happened, you know?
MCCAIN: Our old secretary of defense once said stuff happens.
MCCAIN: It doesn't just happen. And that's what Ronald Reagan was all about.
CUOMO: Understanding what could happen and protecting against --
MCCAIN: And treating people from a realistic -- Vladimir Putin from a realistic point of view of what he's all about, and that has to do with making sure that he knows there are consequences to actions and that has been totally ignored. Even on Friday while troops were moving in, Lavrov told our secretary of state, "don't worry nothing is going on." I mean, that is really embarrassing.
CUOMO: Seems patently false.
MCCAIN: Patently false. They just totally lied to their face.
CUOMO: So, the question becomes what do you do? And this is going to take on a political aspect and it's going to take on the practical aspect of what you do, actually, because there's a perception of it. You know, in doing the research, in 2008, Bush was criticized about Georgia and you could argue it was the worst incursion in terms that there was violence on the ground.
MCCAIN: And by the way, I criticized too and wanted to do more.
CUOMO: You did --
MCCAIN: -- people said, well, we didn't want to do anything in 2008. I wanted to do a lot including giving them defensive weapons.
CUOMO: You did, but I felt that the dynamic was different here. There was more unity in terms of, look, we don't like what's happening here, but let's get around the president. You even said at the time, listen, now is not the time for this. Let's get around and figure out what to do even though we're making mistakes.
CUOMO: I feel this time, there's more bitter politics here at home than there was in 2008 that Republicans especially are taking the opportunity to attack the president even when we seem to have a larger set of concerns with Putin and Ukraine. Fair criticism?
MCCAIN: Well, except that, again, this reset and all of that that led up to this continued belief that somehow you could deal with this guy in a way that is not keeping with who he is. But having said that, we're working in the -- Senator Menendez, Senator Corker, and Senator Murphy and I are working on a legislative package that will be going to the committee on Tuesday.
We'll be working on that as well. But the thing that infuriates me is that to think that this guy can still be dealt with in the way we've been dealing with him in the past is something that doesn't seem we've learned that lesson.
CUOMO: So, what do we do? Do you think we get him out of Crimea or is it as Gates, former secretary said, Gates is gone -- Crimea is gone. You can't get it back.
MCCAIN: I hate to admit it, but I'm afraid that's the case. Now, that -- I predicted Crimea because I predicted Putin would never give up Sevastopol. Now, I don't know whether he's going to take Eastern Ukraine and with that de facto kind of partition. The eastern part of Ukraine or not -- I think it depends on what he thinks the consequences are.
CUOMO: What would the consequence be that would stop him? If you could do anything, what would you do?
MCCAIN: I think, first of all, sanctions not only on the military side but his oligarch friends. Don't let him travel to London. Take care of their bank accounts.
CUOMO: Use a Magnitsky Act.
MCCAIN: Go forward with -- restore the missile defense in the Czech Republic in Poland. Move forward, have some military operations with the next pressured countries which are the Baltics. That's the next countries, and he continues to put pressure on. Accelerate Georgia and Moldova into NATO. We have a wide range of options which are not, quote, "military action" and take them quick.
CUOMO: Are they all on the table?
MCCAIN: I think all of those options are on the table.
CUOMO: Are you hearing from the White House that they're thinking of these things?
MCCAIN: I think they're moving forward with some of the sanctions.