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President Obama Visits South Africa; George Zimmerman Trial Continues; Paula Deen Loses More Sponsors; Heat Wave Hits Parts of U.S.; Supreme Court Strikes Down DOMA and Proposition 8; Interview with Greg Louganis; Child Undergoes Lung Transplant Surgery

Aired June 29, 2013 - 10:00   ET


ALISON KOSIK, CNN ANCHOR: How hot is too hot, 95 degrees, 100? How about 129? Get ready out west. A heat wave is coming.

We know what they said, but what did they mean? A body language breakdown of two of the week's biggest newsmakers.

And he made history when he won the gold just minutes after a head splitting injury. But it's a different victory that excites him today. My live interview with Greg Louganis.

It's 10:00 on the east coast, 7:00 on the west. I'm Alison Kosik. Good morning.

CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you for starting your day with us. And we begin this morning out west where temperatures this weekend could climb to a staggering 129 degrees. That is the forecast for Death Valley. Phoenix and Las Vegas could hit 118.

KOSIK: That's some serious heat. And the heat wave is already causing public health problems. Almost 200 people were treated for health- related injuries at an all-day concert yesterday in Las Vegas. Officials are also saying to avoid the worst case scenario power blackout, cut the AC.

COSTELLO: Because that would be brutal. Casey Wian is sweating it out in Palm Springs, California, this morning. So how hot is it there now, Casey?

CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I can show you, Carol. We have a thermometer right here. It looks like 94 degrees. It's 7:00 in the morning, 94 degrees here. Where we're going to head by 4:00 this afternoon local time, somewhere down there 120 to 121. And if it gets that hot, it would be a record for this day. You can see behind me this driving range, only four people on this driving range at this golf course. If you want to play golf in Palm Springs and you can stand the heat, this is the perfect day for it. This course only expecting 40 players today. On a normal day during the summer, well over 100.

Other impacts this heat is affecting, aviation. Private planes, smaller aircraft at smaller airports in the desert area have been grounded. The air is thinner when it's hot. There's not enough lift to get those planes off the ground. So they are on the ground today. The Palm Springs International Airport, however, saying they're perfectly prepared to handle this heat. They're not expecting any flight delays today.

Also, power companies, very big concern when it's hot like this. Southern California Edison saying it has extra crews on stand-by just in case there are any power outages, blackouts, also urging people, as you can imagine, not to use a lot of power in the middle of the day when it's really hot. Carol, Alison?

KOSIK: Casey, I was half hoping you would fry an egg on the ground to demonstrate how hot it is. Let's go to Alexandra Steele to give us an idea of when there's going to be any relief on the way.

ALEXANDRA STEELE, AMS METEOROLOGIST: No, not for you, not for Casey, not for anywhere. This is really just going to stay put. So it's kind of the breadth and depth of this high pressure that's in control. Temperatures not just records for the day or the month but some of the temperatures will be the hottest these places have ever been. Check, we've got that.

And also we're seeing these days not only through the weekend but even into the beginning of next week this heat will last. What's happening? It's a jet stream extreme. The high pressure in the west, the trough in the east, and with high pressure what happens is air sinks and it compresses and thus it warms.

It's kind of like have you ever pumped up your bicycle tire and when you feel the rubber, it gets hot to the touch. This air is compressing and warming. And we're looking at it for such a big area, not only desert southwest, they're seeing the most extreme weather, but even places like salt lake city 105 yesterday, a record. But right now eight states with heat watches or heat warnings of some type, some heat advisory.

Right now in Phoenix it's 92 degrees. The average in Phoenix is 107, but look at this, but 118 today. Phoenix only two degrees shy of 120, and if it's only hit 120 three times in history. Las Vegas, 91 right now, average is 103 degrees. Look at these temperatures -- 117 will be the all-time record high temperature it has ever been. So we're seeing such massive amounts of heat. Death Valley, the highest temperature, guys, ever recorded in the world, 134, almost 100 years ago to the date, 129 on Sunday there. No one lives there is. It's 3 million miles of national park, but it's hot.

COSTELLO: You almost wish it would hit 134, because if you're going to have to suffer through that anyway, if you choose to tour that national park, it might as well be a record, right?

STEELE: Absolutely. Casey, I find it so interesting the air is so thin they're not allowing the private planes to take off. That's pretty substantial out there.

WIAN: It really is. It's impacting a lot of general aviation aircraft. Their business basically shut down. They say if they really had to, they could get a plane in the air, but it's not worth the risk with the air being this thin.

COSTELLO: Interesting. All right, Alexandra, Casey Wian, many thanks.

KOSIK: The George Zimmerman murder trial will resume on Monday. And we're expecting jurors to start hearing from George Zimmerman in tapes like this, one where he told his side of the story to police. All this week we heard from witnesses who saw and heard what happened.

COSTELLO: It's fascinating testimony. Like Zimmerman's neighbor, that man, John Good, who said it looked like a mixed martial arts fight with Zimmerman taking a beating. He actually witnessed the fight between Martin and Zimmerman.


MARK O'MARA, ZIMMERMAN'S ATTORNEY: What you saw was the person on top in an MMA-style straddle position, correct?


O'MARA: That was further described, was it not, as being ground and pound?

GOOD: Correct.

O'MARA: Right? What is ground and pound as you --

GOOD: That's usually what takes place in that type of position.

O'MARA: Explain what ground and pound is in your mind.

GOOD: The person on top being able to punch the person on the bottom, but the person on the bottom also has a chance to get out or punch the person on top. It's back and forth.

O'MARA: Sure. And which is the dominant position?

GOOD: It would be the top position.


COSTELLO: CNN's legal correspondent Jean Casarez is outside the courthouse? Sanford, Florida. John Good also testified it appeared George Zimmerman was on the bottom, Trayvon Martin was straddling him and there was downward movement from Trayvon Martin's shoulder. Coupled with what we just heard, some might say this was a devastating day for the prosecution.

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN LEGAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, that was an important witness for the defense, exactly. It is the prosecution witness. It is the case-in-chief, and they may have made a few points through this witness, but the eye and ear witnesses could be critically important because they will either corroborate what George Zimmerman is saying happened to him and corroborate the injuries that are seen on George Zimmerman's face or head or they won't. And it was John Good who said he saw three positions. First, he saw what we now know to be George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin on the grass with Martin on top, and then they moved to the cement. Then he saw those blows. But then he went in to make the 911 call, the shot rang out, and when he came back outside he saw them on the grass.

That could be important for the prosecution because the prosecution could say that imminent fear of death that George Zimmerman reasonably may have felt once he got himself back on the grass, that dissipated. He wasn't in fear of death at that point and he didn't have a right to shoot.

KOSIK: Jean, let me ask you this, how important is it to know who started the fight? Is that a key piece of evidence or knowledge in this?

CASAREZ: Alison, you're so right. It is critically important because what this case is going to come down to is the law. The law always is important, but in this case the instructions the jury receives, very, very important, because if George Zimmerman is the initial aggressor, he cannot say that this was a justified killing. That's the general rule.

But there has to be adequate provocation on the part of George Zimmerman. And the legal research I have done is that words are not enough, depending upon what the words are, and following is not enough. It's not a crime to follow someone. So there has to be evidence that there was adequate provocation on the part of George Zimmerman toward Trayvon to be the initial aggressor. Let's see how the evidence develops, but it's an important part of this trial.

KOSIK: OK, thank you, Jean Casarez reporting from Sanford, Florida. I know we will have more on this later.

COSTELLO: We will continue to follow the trial when it resumes at 9:00 a.m. eastern on Monday, too, so make sure watch CNN NEWSROOM with me for the latest on the George Zimmerman trial.

In other news this morning, President Obama has a busy day in South Africa. He's holding a town hall meeting right now with youth leaders. It's happening in a community in Johannesburg. Mr. Obama praised Nelson Mandela as someone who sacrificed and struggled for freedom and democracy. South Africa is actually President Obama's second stop. He heads to Tanzania next.

The president and his wife, Michelle, also met today in private with Nelson Mandela's family. In a just released statement, President Obama says he expressed his heartfelt support. Of course, he's in South Africa as the country's beloved former leader remains hospitalized for a lung infection. At a news conference with the South African president Jacob Zuma, President Obama praised Mandela's lifelong fight for justice and equality.


BARACK OBAMA, (D) PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The struggle here against apartheid for freedom, moral courage, this country's historic transition to a free and democratic nation has been a personal inspiration to me. It has been an inspiration to the world.


COSTELLO: A choir performed outside the hospital today where Mr. Mandela is being treated. Well-wishers have also been leaving cards and flowers and loving messages.

KOSIK: Coming up, he was taken in by police on murder charges and let go by the New England Patriots. Now Aaron Hernandez is in custody with two other men linked to the same crime.

And Paula Deen is in more hot water. If you ordered her new cookbook, you may never be able to get it. How Paula Deen's empire is unraveling after she admitted to making racial slurs. You are watching CNN NEWSROOM.


COSTELLO: It's 13 minutes past the hour. Welcome back to NEWSROOM. While Odin Lloyd's family and friends prepare for his funeral, fans of the former NFL star Aaron Hernandez can only ask, what happened?

KOSIK: How could an athlete who possessed hall of fame talent waste it by becoming tangled up in the investigation of a brutal murder?

COSTELLO: And while his former team tries to erase his memory, fans are wondering whether the red flags were there about Hernandez all along.

KOSIK: Our national correspondent Debra Feyerick is in North Attleboro. Deb, did the New England patriots miss these red flags in Hernandez's past before they drafted him to the team?

DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The New England patriots likely would have done a very thorough background check on him. This was a very talented player. But yes, there were signs. It was clear he was exposed to a gangster sort of lifestyle while he was growing up. He had owned at least one gun. He had smoked pot in college, and so a number of things, nothing of the sort to take him out of the game, clearly.

And whether it was that the New England patriots thought by sort of helping him, giving him this contract worth $40 million plus a $12.5 million signing bonus, that maybe he would go on a different path. That was the expectation. That was the hope. His second NFL game he was the youngest player in 50 years to basically top 100 receiving yards in a single game.

So the New England patriots saw a lot of talent in this young man, but clearly, look, we're standing here outside of this home in a very sort of suburban section, and you look at this home and you wonder if this was the kind of home that Aaron Hernandez was exposed to growing up. It doesn't appear he was. Fame may have come too fast. The money may have been too much too soon. Not clear. Clearly now that he's connected not only to the death of Odin Lloyd but to the death or to the being investigated, I should say, in connection with that double homicide drive-by shooting, clearly he simply could not outrun his past. Alison?

KOSIK: OK, thank you Deborah Feyerick, reporting from North Attleboro, Massachusetts.

COSTELLO: A star witness who is the last person to talk with Trayvon Martin before he died. People can't get enough of the George Zimmerman trial. And I can understand that. It's fascinating. And it brings up a lot of important cultural issues.

KOSIK: Coming up, Rachel Jeantel, hear stares, her attitude, her demeanor, our body language expert weighing in next.


RACHEL JEANTEL, WITNESS IN GEORGE ZIMMERMAN TRIAL: I had told you. You listening? I had told you.



COSTELLO: All right, this is the understatement of the year. It has been a rough week for Paula Deen. Her $70 million empire is crumbling like one of her butter lightened coffee cakes. Business partners have been rushing for the exits since news about her admitted use of racial slurs. Among them Random House, Wal-Mart, Caesar's Entertainment, Smithfield Foods, and, of course, the Food Network, and the list seems to grow by the day. Deen has apologized, but her apologies didn't seem to help her cause. In fact, it may have hurt her with many rushing to judgment over whether she really meant what she said. Here she is on the "Today" show.


PAULA DEEN, FORMER FOOD NETWORK HOST: If there's anyone out there that has never said something that they wish they could take back, if you're out there, please pick up that stone and throw it so hard at my head that it kills me, please. I want to meet you.


KOSIK: All right. We're going to talk about that by body language expert Patti Wood. She's the author of "Snap, Making the Most of First Impressions, Body Language and Charisma." Patty, I'm not saying that Paula Deen doesn't have supporters because she does. She has a lot of supporters. So I'm wondering why all the companies are deciding to pull away from Paula Deen.

PATTI WOOD, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: It's interesting because she built her empire being emotional, doing lots of expressive body language. If I'm a media coach, if I coached her, I would have said you need to pull back. You need to get out of that emotional brain that allowed you to say things you probably regret now, and be controlled and contrite.

COSTELLO: One of the things she said that, you know, we live in Atlanta so I get to talk to a lot of southerners, when Paula Deen says "I is what is and I'm not going to change," a lot of southerners were really taken aback by that "I is." They said I don't talk like that.

WOOD: And both that phrasing, the way she did it, was someone that didn't feel sorry, that was not apologetic. And she didn't use the words in this whole 13-minute intense interview on the "Today" show, "I'm sorry." We saw her be extraordinarily emotional. People have asked me were her tears sincere, were they honest? Yes, they were. But the message was almost --

COSTELLO: Poor old me.

WOOD: Self-focused instead of being contrite and thinking what have I learned from this that we can all learn.

COSTELLO: So in a nutshell she should have sat there and looked at Matt Lauer and said, look, I said some stupid things and I am so sorry and I hope you will forgive me. And I'm talking to the Reverend Jesse Jackson about this and he's telling me that of the mistakes I made. That was the kind of thing she should have done.

WOOD: Absolutely. You got it spot on, baby.

COSTELLO: See, I learn from you, Patti. I know what you're saying.

OK, let's switch to the George Zimmerman trial and Rachel Jeantel because she has become a story herself. A lot of people actually say she's been put on trial online. People are saying terrible things about her. Others say she was just being authentic. That's who she is. Let's listen to a bit of Rachel Jeantel and then we'll talk about it.


JEANTEL: I had told you. You listening?


JEANTEL: I had told you what happened. Are you listening?


COSTELLO: So a lot of people seem to think that her head roll there was aggressive and defiant, and it probably was, but she was being cross-examined for, what, five hours?

WOOD: Very intense cross-examination, and a lot of the prosecution's case rests on her young shoulders. And if anybody has raised teenagers, they know teenagers can be very interesting in the way they become defiant. They do it nonverbally.

And so when she juts out her chin, when she sticks out her tongue out of the side of her mouth, when she presses her tongue to the absolute lips of her mouth, when she does all these behaviors, she's showing defiance like a teenage girl. The eye roll, that's the international symbol of a teenage girl. So I think we're seeing that, but we're seeing it in a courtroom setting and we're thinking this is inappropriate behavior for the setting.

COSTELLO: OK. So a lot of attorneys, especially prosecutors, say the prosecution should have coached Rachel. I maintain that how can you coach Rachel? She is who she is. She doesn't seem to be a person who takes direction.

WOOD: And legally you actually have to be very -- I coach lawyers, and you have to be very careful how you do that, and also I don't know --

COSTELLO: So could you coach a person like her?

WOOD: Actually you could coach. You have to be very careful in terms of the legal issues of doing that, what you say. The times that in her para-language, that's the nuances, the science of the voice, when she said yes, sir, by the way, 23 times, she hissed out the "yes" and stridently struck on the "sir" which discounted the validity and made the sir a slap. So we see a great model of defiance, teenage behavior, but it's not right for the setting.

COSTELLO: We'll see how it went over with the moms on the jury, right? Patti Wood, thank you so much.

WOOD: You're welcome.


KOSIK: OK, cheers and shouts at the Supreme Court. Landmark decisions punctuate a historic term for the court, but did the justices leave the constitution behind in favor of public opinion? We're going to take a look.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Equal feels different. Equal feels good.



KOSIK: Welcome back. The Supreme Court wrapped up a big week of rulings with the decision on the Defense of Marriage Act, but the court struck down the part banning federal benefits for same-sex spouses who were married in states where it's legal. But that's not all the court did. They also struck down a key part of the Voting Rights Act. So I guess you could say one for the conservatives and one for the liberals.

Joining me now as they do every week are CNN contributor Maria Cardona and Amy Holmes, anchor of "Real News on The Blaze." Also with us today Mike Sacks from "The Huffington Post." Good morning to you all.

MARIA CARDONA, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Good morning, Alison. KOSIK: Mike, does this sound like there was, I don't know, some sort of political wheeling and dealing going on behind closed doors at the Supreme Court?

MIKE SACKS, HOST, "HUFFINGTON POST LIVE": Well, political wheeling and dealing insofar as what decisions they handed out when, and I think the justices did not want to go out striking down the Voting Rights Act section 4, which they did on Tuesday. So they went out striking down DOMA, perhaps making some people happy as opposed to creating the big public outcry that happened with striking down the Voting Rights Act.

KOSIK: OK. Maria, let me ask you this, what is the political fallout of DOMA? Is this a huge victory for President Obama?

CARDONA: I actually think it's a huge victory for the American people, Alison, and for what our country actually stands for, equal rights and justice for all. I think at the heart of it what the Supreme Court really did was understand that DOMA actually took away rights and privileges for 10 percent of the American population that others actually enjoyed.

And so I think at the heart of it, they were absolutely right to do this. They put it in the hands of the states. This is progressing towards the point where our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters are going to enjoy the federal benefits that they deserve in all states. That's where it's going. So I think politically it was a win for not just our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters but for American values.

KOSIK: Amy, what do you think?

AMY HOLMES, HOST, "REAL NEWS ON THE BLAZE": Well, I live down in the west village just a few blocks away from stonewall where many say the modern gay rights movement started, and I can tell you in my neighborhood there was great celebration, both on the day of DOMA and even last night, a huge gay pride event and parade that I was very happy to be right next door to.

As far as, you know, whether or not conservatives or liberals are winning on this, a lot of conservatives saw the DOMA decision as being somewhat a conservative one, as Maria suggested. The Supreme Court said that marriage -- the definition of marriage should be sort of a federalist issue and in the hands of the state. And at least from my point of view, it makes perfect sense that if a state says that same- sex marriages are co-equal to opposite-sex marriages, so should the federal government and recognize that state's definition of marriage.

KOSIK: OK. Amy, let me stick with you with my next question. Let's talk about the Voting Rights Act because now states with a history of discriminatory voting procedures, they're off the hook, they no longer knees permission from the federal government to make new changes to how they vote. First, listen to the president's take.


OBAMA: I might not be here as president had it not been for those who courageously helped to pass the Voting Rights Act. I think that the Supreme Court made a mistake in its ruling.


KOSIK: So, Amy, what do you think? In the end is this a bigger decision than DOMA?

HOLMES: Well, I'm not sure I would compare the two, although of course both decisions do have great social impact. States are not off the hook. That's a bit of an overstatement. In fact, voters can still sue if their state is using discriminatory practices, and that even includes disparate impact. So if minority voters are disparately impacted by voting rules in that state, that state can be held liable.

The Supreme Court said, though, the formula that was being used to determine if these states were sort of racist in perpetuity needed to be updated to reflect a more modern practice. They then punted it to Congress to try to come up with that formula. I certainly understand sort of the other side's frustration with that because we know with this Congress they can't seem to get along -- they can't get along to do very much.

KOSIK: Mike, you know, the decision on DOMA and on the Voting Rights Act, each had, you know, basically the same dissenting opinion, morality versus constitutionality. The court also seems to be kind of mirroring public opinion on a lot of these issues. Should they really be doing that?

SACKS: Well, in race I don't think the five conservative justices who struck down Voting Rights Act section four were worried about public opinion. In fact they were more worried about showing they had given fair warning to Congress to fix the Voting Rights Act. This time they said we told you so, we were going to do this, and we did it.

For same-sex marriage, I think Justice Kennedy was cognizant and wary of a backlash should he follow his constitutional convictions which I think he expressed at oral argument to extend same-sex marriage across the country. So instead he pulled back. He relied on a states right argument that was kind of sued with the other four liberals that joined him in the DOMA case with the equal protection argument and created a kind of legal mishmash of rationale to create a decision that was quite good for gays and lesbians.

HOLMES: If I could add quickly, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, she said in the Roe v. Wade decision that it went too far too fast. So I think you saw there was, you know, some agreement that a decision with such huge social ramifications that is so intense and so emotional perhaps should be more incremental.

CARDONA: I thought it was interesting that the chief justice actually said that Congress can still impose federal oversight on the states that still have voting rights at risk. He's admitting that this is still an issue. But I do agree that they were actually basically scolding Congress for not having done what they should and are punting.

Now I agree with President Obama, Congress should do this because there are still abuses when it comes to voting rights, and we saw it just this past election.

KOSIK: OK, Maria Cardona, Amy Holmes, Mike Sacks, thanks so much.

CARDONA: Thank you so much.

SACKS: Thank you.

KOSIK: The screams on the 911 tapes, the gripping testimony, and a courtroom drama people can't seem to turn away from -- a look at the George Zimmerman trial next.


GOOD: It looked like there were strikes being thrown or punches being thrown but as I clarified due to the lighting. It could have also been holding down.



COSTELLO: It's 39 minutes past the hour. Welcome back. We are expecting jurors will hear George Zimmerman's police tapes when his murder trial resumes on Monday. The jury has the weekend off. They have been hearing from witnesses all week long, though, about what they heard or saw the night Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin. Witnesses included first responders, police, and neighbors like John Good, who said he saw Trayvon Martin on top during a tussle with George Zimmerman.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My question is, did you ever see the person on top pick the person from the bottom and actually slam them into the concrete?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you see the person on top slamming the person on the bottom's head on the concrete over and over and over?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you see at any time the person on the top grab the person on the bottom's head and slam it into the concrete?



COSTELLO: CNN's Martin Savidge is outside the courthouse in Sanford, Florida. Of course, that's important system, especially that part, because George Zimmerman said he was in fear for his life when he shot Trayvon Martin. And the defense -- or the prosecution is trying to prove that George Zimmerman's head was not being slammed into the concrete. There was no -- he was in no danger of dying that night. MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right. That's exactly the point. In fact, even though this witness, who Jonathan Good had come out and said that, you know, he could identify who was on top and who was on the bottom, that key point the prosecution was able to make was that, well, you didn't see him though driving his head into the ground, which is something the defense has really pushed forward, because that is why George Zimmerman said he felt his life was in danger. He literally felt like his head was going to explode.

Later, though, the last person to testify was Lindsey Folgate. She is a physician's assistant, not a doctor, but the person who treated George Zimmerman the very next day about the injuries. Now, of course, everything we expected was going to be her testimony about medical stuff. There was one other issue she brought up. Take a listen.


LINDZEE FOLGATE, PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT: Difficulty with falling and maintaining sleep started to exercise intensely with MMA, but this has not helped.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And were you able to determine MMA as being mixed martial arts?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe there's a highlighted part in that page where you got in terms of social history exercise, is that correct?

FOLGATE: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what did you notate there in terms of social history, exercise as to the defendant George Zimmerman?

FOLGATE: That he was involved in mixed martial arts three days per week.


SAVIDGE: The mixed martial arts again goes back to Jonathan Good because he said that he saw Trayvon Martin on top of George Zimmerman, and his arms were moving in a mixed martial arts style. So the reason the prosecution wanted to bring that out was to imply to the jury, well, wait a minute, Jonathan might have been wrong. Maybe it was the other way around, George Zimmerman on top because, after all, he's the one that apparently has been going to the gym and studying MMA. It's an interesting point, and that happened to be the last testimony the jury heard before they got to go off for the weekend.

COSTELLO: Fascinating. Martin Savidge live in Sanford, Florida, this morning. Thank you.

CNN will continue to follow the trial. It's expected, as Martin said, to resume at 9:00 a.m. eastern on Monday. Make sure to watch CNN NEWSROOM with me, Carol Costello. I'll be there. KOSIK: Same-sex couples are marrying in California this weekend. A big change from where the country was back in the 1980s when Olympic champion Greg Louganis came out. Now he has a whole lot of celebrating to do. He and his partner join us live next.


KOSIK: Same-sex marriage supporters around the country are celebrating two big decisions this week by the U.S. Supreme Court. But those cheers were, well, especially loud in one particular state.




KOSIK: That was in California where on Friday the ninth circuit court lifted a stay clearing the way for same-sex marriages to resume. The first couple to marry were the plaintiffs in the Prop 8 case, Chris Perry and Sandy Steer.

COSTELLO: And you know who else is celebrating? Oh, we do. These two guys, four time Olympic champion Greg Louganis and his partner Johnny Chaillot. Welcome to you both.


COSTELLO: Why are you in two different places?

LOUGANIS: Well, I'm here, I had a speaking engagement and then we had a benefit for the documentary "Back on Board," trying to raise the funds to finish up to get it ready for Sundance. So I have quite a packed schedule in New York.

COSTELLO: And you two are engaged to be married now.

KOSIK: Congratulations.

LOUGANIS: I know, I know.


LOUGANIS: It's so exciting we'll be able to do that in California.

KOSIK: Greg, where were you when you heard the news about the Supreme Court's decision, and what's the first thing that you did?

LOUGANIS: Well, it was so funny because I was boarding the plane to come to New York, and then all of a sudden the news hit, and my phone started going off and it was like crazy, crazy, crazy. Of course, you know, they shut the airplane doors and you have to shut down, mister, you have to shut down. But, wait, wait, wait, I have so much to do. It was exciting, very exciting.

COSTELLO: Johnny, where were you? CHAILLOT: I was -- I had just dropped Greg off at the airport actually, and is on my way to work when the news broke. So I texted him, but I think the plane had already taken off and we spoke after he landed in New York.

COSTELLO: So agonizing. You were almost together when the decision came down.

KOSIK: Greg, let me go ahead and take you back to a very moving moment in 1995 and what happened when you came on the Oprah Winfrey show to talk about being openly gay and HIV positive. Watch this.


OPRAH WINFREY: Please welcome Greg Louganis. Yes, sir.



KOSIK: Greg, you're smiling now, and back then you received a standing ovation for your bravery. You know, for being a pioneer. That was almost 20 years ago. You know, what kind of obstacles are there still for the LGBT community?

LOUGANIS: You know, it's been incredible that I had the support of Oprah Winfrey, oh, my god, that was huge. And then Barbara Walters and, you know, being able to tell my story and tell my story in breaking the surface in my own way, in my own words as a human being.

Where we've come, we've come so far. I mean, I have been diagnosed for -- I have been positive for 25 years now. You know, I have been through just about every drug regimen, and some of the drug regimens were brutal, very brutal. But now it's much more tolerable.

And I also make myself available to like young people who are scared. I have had the opportunity to go to some of their doctor's appointments when they start talking about treatment because, you know, when you get that information, it's so overwhelming. You don't hear everything, and then I am able to sit with them and talk to them because I have been on just about every drug regimen that there's been out there. So, you know, it's one thing to read the side effects of the HIV medication, but it's another thing to live it.

COSTELLO: Well, I wanted to ask you, too, Greg, 20 years ago you went on the Oprah Winfrey show and announced to the world that you were gay and you were HIV positive. That had to be hard 20 years ago. I think people forget how hard that was.

LOUGANIS: You know --

COSTELLO: Go ahead.

LOUGANIS: It was terrifying. I mean, because I had friends and family telling me not to do it because they were afraid for my life. You know, and the one thing I did do prior to the book being released and all the information in the book being released, I scheduled an appearance, a speaking engagement, in Lawrence, Kansas, right in the backyard of Reverend Fred Phelps. And he was there, you know, "AIDS, faggot, burn in hell," all that stuff. But somebody asked me, you know, how do I feel about the ignorance that's standing outside the building? And I told them that I felt that I needed to hand him a teddy bear and tell him he needs lots of hugs. And the LGBT student union sent him a bunch of teddy bears in my honor telling him he needs lots of hugs, because anybody that spews that much hate can't like themselves very much.

COSTELLO: And, Johnny, here you are today, announcing to the world that you guys are getting married. I mean, did you ever think that this day -- now you have the NFL saying we want to support our openly gay players. We know we have some. The world has changed so much.

CHAILLOT: The world has changed, and, you know, growing up, I grew up in Louisiana, which is a very conservative state even though I love it. But I really never thought that this day would come, and it's just a huge victory for the movement, for America. You know, everyone can be treated equally and fairly under the eyes of the law.

KOSIK: OK. Well, congratulations again, Greg Louganis, Johnny Chaillot.

LOUGANIS: Thank you. On a personal note, I also want to say, too, that, you know, both Johnny and I, our parents are no longer with us. They're with us in spirit, and that was the one fear that my mom always had for me is that I would have to spend my life alone as a gay man, and now that has changed and I have found my soul-mate.

KOSIK: That's sweet.

COSTELLO: I have shivers.

CHAILLOT: I love you.

LOUGANIS: I love you, too, honey.

COSTELLO: You're going to make us cry.

KOSIK: Thanks for talking with us today. Thanks, guys.

LOUGANIS: Thank you.

COSTELLO: Coming up at the top of the hour, former South African president Nelson Mandela remains in critical but stable condition. A look at his health as President Obama visits the nation.


KOSIK: Now for our "Human Factor," an update this morning on Sarah Murnaghan. She's the 10-year-old whose story touched off a national debate over lung transplant rules. Sarah, who suffers from cystic fibrosis, had to wear a breathing mask before she got new lungs and her mom just revealed new details about her surgery. CNN's Jason Carroll has the latest. Jason? JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Alison, Murnaghan's mother said doctors told her it was a miracle she survived two lung transplants. It got so critical doctors told the family that Sarah had a 50 percent chance of dying in the second surgery, but she only, they said, had a 1 in a million chance of surviving with the first set of transplanted lungs.

So here's what happened. Back on June 12 that's when she received the first transplant. Her parents telling everyone who had been following the story that things went well. Later that night a code blue emergency was called. The donated lungs simply were not working. Sarah's family said doctors told her she would not survive the week. So she was put back on the transplant list. And because she was so sick and because of the change in rules, a change that happened because of her and her family, she was approved to be listed for adult lungs. So on June 15th the second surgery took place. Her mother explained why she kept the second surgery so private.


JANET MURNAGHAN, SARAH MURNAGHAN'S MOTHER: This all happened very fast, and we weren't expecting it, and frankly we were told in those three days that she was going to die. And so it was never something that we wanted to keep a secret for any period of time, but it was something that we felt like in that moment we weren't prepared to live out her dying in public.


CARROLL: Sarah's mother says that since the second surgery her longs have improved with each day, but she and doctors still caution it's going to be a long road to recovery. She will have another surgery on Monday on her diagram that should help with the breathing a little bit more. It's still going to be a tough time for her. It's going to be touch and go for a while, but for now Sarah Murnaghan is proving to be just as tough as her parents always said she was. Alison?

KOSIK: OK, thanks, Jason. And, you know, you hope that she's going to do OK after everything that the family went through to get her on the list and, you know, you hope she's --

COSTELLO: And so many surgeries, but she's hanging in there and that's a good thing.

That's it for us. Alison will be back tomorrow and I'll be back at 9:00 a.m. eastern on Monday for NEWSROOM. Stay with CNN NEWSROOM. It continues now with Fredricka Whitfield.

FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks so much, ladies. I love this girl power morning.