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Explosive Residue In Tamerlan's Home; Security Tightened At Kentucky Derby; Rolling Stones Tour Opens Tonight; Google Glass: First Look; FBI Wants Tupac Shakur's Step Aunt

Aired May 3, 2013 - 14:30   ET


BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Back here in Boston live, I'm Brooke Baldwin. We have been digging and talking to law enforcement on this investigation into the fatal Boston bombings here on Boylston Street. I want to bring in Deborah Feyerick, whose now on the phone with me. She's here in Boston getting new information from law enforcement as far as something very specific that they have found inside this Cambridge apartment, Deb, that these two brothers shared. What did they find?

DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): Well, one of the things they found and one of the reasons they believe that either the pressure cooker bombs or pipe bombs they had were built inside the Cambridge home is they found bomb residue. They found residue of explosives in the kitchen sink, at the kitchen table and also in the bathtub.

So they believe the bombs were built in the apartment because of the residue that they did find. They have found no bombs elsewhere, but do they believe some of the devices were, in fact, made in the home that Tamerlan Tsarnaev shared not only with his brother but with his wife and small child.

Also, Brooke, we should tell you that there are some searches that going on at the University of Massachusetts, Dartmouth, and those searches specifically investigators following leads that they've received, tips that they've received, that there were loud explosions over the last couple months.

So they're looking to see whether, in fact, the explosions, A, happened, and whether think could be related to this, for example, a testing of perhaps one of the bombs or one of the pipe bombs. That's under way right now -- Brooke.

BALDWIN: So let me just take you back so I'm hearing you crystal clear. So investigators are now saying that they found this residue on the kitchen sink, in the bathroom, and in the bathtub. As you mentioned, this is where, you know, Tamerlan lived with his wife. Again, as Erin McPike has been reporting outside of her home in Rhode Island, Katie Russell so far saying she had no idea these bombs were being built in their apartment, correct?

FEYERICK: Katie Russell is answering a lot of questions right now. That's one of the reasons that there's been so much pressure, so many meetings taking place between her lawyer and also FBI agents there. There's a lot of information that Katie Russell may have. If that explosive residue, which is found in the apartment, the suggestion that the devices were built in the home, she will have to answer whether she saw any of those devices being built or anything that looked out of the ordinary

For example, a stack of fireworks or things like that. One thing we want to remind our viewers, and that is the ingredients used are basic ingredients. They're crude ingredients, the pressure cooker, powder from fireworks, but if she saw any of that and if she saw them working on something, there could be trouble.

BALDWIN: And again, she was the one actually, who is the one out of home, making the money. She was the breadmaker for this family, not around quite as much it sounds like as her husband was. Deborah Feyerick on the phone with me in Boston. Deborah, thank you.

In the wake of the Boston bombings, security will be extra tight at tomorrow's Kentucky Derby. This is the first iconic sporting event since what happened here on Boylston Street now just about three weeks ago. It is a place to be seen.

A 160,000 people are expected to attend the first of the Triple Crown races, and that is where we sent Pamela Brown to Churchill Downs. And so Pamela, in our latest poll, a huge majority of Americans said terrorism will not stop them from, you know, attending massive public events like the derby. You're there. You're talking to people. Obviously, they're there for a reason.

PAMELA BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. In fact, you know, there are 150,000 people here at Churchill Downs right now, Brooke. Today is the Kentucky Oaks. It's the race for filly, the big race leading up to the derby tomorrow. Even though there is a large crowd here today, it is clear that security is top of mind in the wake of the Boston bombings.

Since 9/11, security was enhanced here for derby weekend, and now we're seeing officials crack down even more. They're banning coolers, cans, and purses larger than 12 inches. There is increased wanding at the entrances, and local, state, and federal authorities are out in full force with 100 here more today than normal.

Also there are additional bomb-sniffing dogs that were brought in here for this weekend. Some people we spoke with say that, you know, they did have second thoughts about coming here this weekend in the wake of the recent bombings. Let's take a listen.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was happy to hear that they had increased security. It means, you know, less makeup and goodies we can bring in but, you know, it's worth it to just be more comfortable and to know that we're going to all look after each other.

BROWN: Is what happened in Boston on your mind today at all?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. It definitely is on my mind just for the fact that it's such a large crowd and you just never know how people's intentions are. So it's definitely, but I'm not going to let that spoil my time and we're going to enjoy ourselves.


BROWN: And, Brooke, we went to several of the entrances. Even with the stepped-up measures, the lines really weren't too bad and it seemed like people were taking this all in stride.

BALDWIN: Pamela Brown, thank you so much, at the derby.

Their music a huge success, recent ticket sales, though, pretty lackluster. My next guest puts it bluntly, saying the Rolling Stones concert sales are, quote/unquote, "a disaster." Tour starts tonight. Coming up next, we'll find out why fans aren't buying.


BALDWIN: Start me up, Rolling Stones, anyone? Opening their 50th anniversary tour tonight in L.A. at the Staples Center, the last time they played live it was back in December. Here they were.

The Stones. They're even bringing back a piece of Stones history. Former guitarist Mick Taylor, yep, another Mick, will be on stage helping celebrate the band's first 50 years. As has been said about every Stones tour over the last 20 years, in looks like this could be their last tour.

It also looks like a lot of people don't actually care enough to pay the top price of $600 a ticket. Now the Stones have released more tickets at a more reasonable price. Try a cool 85 bucks. Bob Lefsetz writes a newsletter about the music industry and he has highlighted the slow ticket sales yesterday.

Bob, thanks for joining me. And, you know, I read -- obviously I read your whole piece today so, we did a little journalistic digging, as well so, we too went to the ticketing site today. I want you to look and our viewers to see this. We were able, as you were saying, able to pull up a pair of really awesome seats on the floor for tonight's show at $600 a pop.

And let me say we could find seats at just about every other section of the Staples Center Arena. But you even went further than that. Tell us what you found.

BOB LEFSETZ, MUSIC WRITER, "THE LEFTSETZ LETTER": Well, basically, this is about the scalpers. There's very little money recording music anymore. Everybody makes their money from ticket sales. Ultimately, they found that the seats up close are incredibly desirable. As a result, scalpers have had a field day. What artists have tried to do is recapture this income.

Now, a great percentage is scalping their own tickets on Ticketmaster's own site, tickets now, that's what a lot of acts do. A lot sell directly to scalpers. The Stones want to make all this money so they priced the tickets at what they thought the value was. It turns out they were incorrect. The public does not want to pay $600 to see the Stones.

BALDWIN: Well, I know the editor of "Industry" magazine, Paul Stars, is quoted as saying he is confident that the show will sell out by the time it actually starts. Bob, just, is it too much to swallow, though, for fans who pay to see them as you did in '69, in '72, in the '90s? I mean, I actually have friends who have tickets to see them when they roll through Boston. They obviously paid that. I don't know if they're going to any other concerts this year because that's a lot of money. But do you think people will pony up?

LEFSETZ: I think people definitely won't pony up. The stadium will be full if they have to go to sound central and get a bus and rent all the people to come see the gig. Acts have done this for year. Bruce Springsteen played Denver. He had to pay for the stadium. Kenny Chesney went on a stadium tour two years ago. It was so bad he had to take a year off.

These are not reported, but these acts do not do the business in many cases as the public thinks they do. It turns out there was not that much demand for the Stones. They've been on an endless last-time tour for the last 20 years. I truly believe this will be the last time.

But because they were not together on a business level, their adviser, Prince Rupert Lowenstein retired. They have a very untogether business operation. So they toured in London and Newark, New Jersey, and that was when the frenzy was. Now the frenzy is off and people don't care. So I think --

BALDWIN: Bob, hang on. Why not officially say this is our last tour? I mean, I can see the billboards now, and that's when people say, all right, 600 bucks, the last time in my lifetime I can see Mick, done.

LEFSETZ: Well, if you look at Led Zeppelin, which did two shows in London about five years ago, if Led Zeppelin went on the road, they could charge a thousand dollars a ticket because they haven't toured for 30 years. The Rolling Stones go out every five years and say, well, it may be the last time. You know?

It's like the Rolling Stones were terrible at the Super Bowl. And a friend of mine said, that's where they normally play. They've been playing stadiums. Everybody who cared -- people in walkers have come to see the Stones. There's not a single American who says I didn't get my chance. Do they need another chance at these prices, absolutely not.

BALDWIN: Bob Lefsetz, I appreciate your honesty. Thanks for coming on so much.

LEFSETZ: No one else will speak the truth. I love the Stones.

BALDWIN: I appreciate it.

LEFSETZ: They haven't been good live in concert for years.

BALDWIN: That's your whole thing, you love the records, not them live. LEFSETZ: You bet.

BALDWIN: Bob, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Now this, this is a first woman makes the FBI's most wanted terrorist list. Coming up next, we will tell you her crimes and her connection to of all people the late rapper Tupac Shacure.


BALDWIN: Google on your face. It has arrived, Google glass. The wearable computer glasses has the tech world all up in a frenzy and only a select few were chosen to test-drive these Google glasses. We have a first look with my tech analyst, Katie Linendoll, in New York. I nigh you would look adorable with the glasses on. There's a little geeky, but I love the geek, my friend. How did you get your hands on these?

KATIE LINENDOLL, TECH ANALYST: I'm reading your mind as we speak, Brooke. It's amazing. It's amazing to have the opportunity to be one of the first and fortunate to test these out. I had an hour and a half training session with Google the other day in an undisclosed location in New York. I have to tell you, too, I'll be eating cereal for the next month because I shelled out about $1,500 for them, $1,700 in total. Super pricey but the latest Google tech buzz.

BALDWIN: OK, so give me the buzz other than reading my mind. What can you do with these things?

LINENDOLL: Yes. It's amazing to be out in New York, too, because everyone wants to stop you and try them on. Given that I had to spend $1,500, I'm so scared they'll get beat up in the subway, I'm really worried to hand them off to people to test them out. There's a waiting list after this segment.

BALDWIN: Be careful.

LINENDOLL: I know. The video quality is amazing. They take five megapixel photos. You can make phone calls. You can get e-mails, send text messages. They work on both android and IOS so iPhone users and Android users are pleased, but there is a little more capability for Android users.

The exciting part about it, it's such in a beta stage that a lot of developers are out there creating apps for it. So right now there's not a ton of functionality beyond those basics I just mentioned but in the upcoming months it's going to be exciting what developers roll out.

BALDWIN: How do you text with glasses? Is it, like, you know, you speak out loud and it's supposed to type and I imagine we all love auto correct, I kid, so there have to be glitches.

LINENDOLL: Yes. So Google was adamant in saying ice all about short bursts of information. You're not going to go on here and read "Gone with the Wind." That is not the intent of Google Glass. It's about taking a quick picture or video, little snap shots of information.

The first misconception as you can see here, there are no lenses. Everything is going through this little glass cue. I can activate the glasses using voice commands. Tilting my head up using a voice command or on the side here with an iPod, you know how you have swiping capabilities. You can swipe up, across, swipe two fingers, and they all do different things.

I'm going through different photos and different e-mails just with a touch on the glasses so a number of different ways to activate them. I'm still getting used to them. I'm sending a number of photos and e- mails that I did not intend to send. It's been a learning curve, but again very early stage with the technology.

BALDWIN: So what I'm hearing now is we're going to not only have people walking across the street doing this, we're going to have people with glasses doing this, I suppose. It's going to look fabulous, I'm sure. Katie Linendoll, you are a good-looking guinea pig. My thanks to you for checking out the glasses and sharing that with us, appreciate it.

Coming up, the first woman on the FBI's most wanted list has a connection to Tupac. You'll hear why the feds want her so badly.


BALDWIN: It is a gender breakthrough although this is one women will not be proud of, for the first time a female has made it on FBI's most wanted terror list. Her name is Joanne Chesimard, and the "Philadelphia Inquirer" reports she is the step aunt of the late wrapper Tupac Shakur. One of the 20-plus aliases listed for Chesimard is Asatta Shakur.

The FBI just announced a $2 million reward for her capture and on top of everything, investigators know where she is, Cuba, where she was granted political asylum in 1984. Official says this woman at times has acted as a dignitary for the island nation.


COL. RICK FUENTES, SUPERINTENDENT, NEW JERSEY STATE POLICE: Safe haven in Cuba, she's been given the pulpit to preach and profess, stirring supporters to mobilize against the United States by any means necessary. As a government functionary and instrument of anti-U.S. propaganda, she has been used by the Castro regime to greet foreign delegations visiting Cuba.


BALDWIN: Chesimard was convicted for the murder of this New Jersey State Trooper, Werner Foerster, gunned down 40 years ago yesterday. At the same time here, the FBI says that Chesimard was a member of the Black Liberation Army.

Let's go to Philadelphia to David Ariosto who's covered Havana for CNN I should say for several years for us and also CNN's legal analyst Sunny Hostin. Sunny, first you, Chesimard escaped prison in 1979. She's been in Cuba since '84. What happened for her to make this most wanted list after all these years?

SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Yes, and let's make it clear, this is the FBI's most wanted terror list. She's the first woman to be on that list. Certainly there have been women on the other FBI list, the FBI's most wanted list. And what we've learned, Brooke, is certainly that there are criteria for making this list and a process that one goes through in terms of making the list.

We know two of the criteria. One is that the person is a terrorist. The FBI does consider this woman to be a domestic terrorist, certainly someone that poses a threat to the United States government. The second criteria, which is very interesting is that it has to be determined that the national publicity by being on this list makes it more likely that the fugitive will be captured.

And so the FBI has determined that those two criteria have been met and that's why she is on the list. Certainly, it may also have to do with the timing because as you said it was 40 years just yesterday that the state trooper was killed.

BALDWIN: David, in terms of Cuba, it was, what, a couple weeks ago when we saw Cuba return, that Florida couple who had basically kidnapped their kids and left Louisiana for Havana. Why haven't authorities been able to remove this woman from Cuba?

DAVID ARIOSTO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Brooke, I think we're looking at really two separate categories. When you look at the Hankin family, that was a straight child abduction case and took place under the Raul administration. This woman, Asana, has been in Cuba since 1984, at least.

That was during the Fidel era and she went there really as a period of sort of rebelled against the government. Also Cuba has a grudge against the United States when it comes to harboring what it says are terrorists. You look at Jorge Posada Coriles who is acquitted a few years ago and he is wanted in Cuba and Venezuela for terrorist attacks, particularly the 1976 bombing in Cuba.

So there is this tit for tat going on within both countries. But many say that the real issue here is just the normalization of relations before some of these more specific issues will ever get solved.

BALDWIN: OK, David Ariosto and Sunny Hostin, thank you both so much.

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