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ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES
Airstrike on Syria; New Developments on Boston Bombings; Closing Arguments in Jodi Arias Case
Aired May 3, 2013 - 20:00 ET
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Erin, thanks. Good evening, everyone.
Tonight, breaking news. An air strike on Syria and from the California wildfires, video like you have never seen before from as close as you can get and still survive the fires.
Also, the dead bombing suspect and his wife, new developments on both and new evidence their home was a bomb factory.
Later, the jury finally gets to decide whether Jodi Arias killed her boyfriend in self-defense or murdered him in cold blood. Blockbuster closing arguments.
And only on "360," the French who lived with the missing mom, Brenda Heist, during some of the 11 years she was presumed to be dead and gone. Was she really homeless or was she enjoying a lot of her life? We have details on that.
We begin though with breaking news and another inferno, the one that consuming Syria. On a day that President Obama once again said the Assad regime's use of chemical weapons would be a game changer, after a week of weighing military action or directly supporting the opposition, a U.S. ally, Israel, has apparently hit Syria from the air.
Barbara Starr broke the story, joins us now with what her sources are telling her.
Barbara, what do you know?
BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Good evening, Anderson.
Two U.S. officials are telling me that now, tonight, U.S. and western intelligence agencies are reviewing classified data indeed showing that Israel did conduct an air strike into Syria. This kind of classified information usually radar communication intercepts, that sort of thing.
Here's what's so interesting. In the Thursday-Friday time frame, 16 Israeli war planes were registered by the Lebanese as flying in Lebanese air space. It is believed that the Israelis conducted this from Lebanese air space, that they didn't go ahead and try to penetrate into Syria. Officials say they don't think that this was directly against a chemical weapons facility, but much more likely against some type of weapons storage site, the very type of site that the Israelis have vowed to hit -- Anderson.
COOPER: OK. Couple things. Weapons storage site, does that mean chemical weapons storage site or conventional weapons or do we not know?
STARR: Yes. I think that's exactly the right thing for us to look at here.
What the Israelis have said, and I want to read, our owned Sara Sidner got a statement this evening from them. It is quote "we will do whatever is necessary to stop the transfer of weapons from Syria to terrorist organizations. We have done it in the past and we will do it if necessary in the future."
The Israelis are going to strike and apparently have again. They did one several months ago. When they see the Syrian regime transfer weapons to Hezbollah in Lebanon to try and get their weapons out of Syria, move them into Lebanon, move them potentially into terrorist hands, the Israeli policy is that's when they'll strike and by all accounts, that's exactly what they've done, Anderson.
COOPER: So, it's very possible this had as much to do with Hezbollah as it did with Syria?
STARR: Well, it is the Israeli worry that the weapons that Syria is trying to get to in their view, a safe place, and keep them out of opposition hands, the Syrians believe getting them to Hezbollah is a safe route. Israel says no way, we're not going to tolerate that.
COOPER: And again, just to be clear, if they didn't penetrate Syrian air space with jets, you say the jets were over Lebanese air space. So, we are talking about some sort of missiles fired from aircraft?
STARR: By all accounts, that's what it would have taken, some sort of weaponry, probably the Israelis have plenty of precision guided munitions. They would have known exactly what they were hitting and fired from their very capable fighter force, Anderson.
COOPER: OK. Barbara, appreciate the breaking news. We will continue to follow up throughout the hour.
We have more breaking news. The wildfires burning out of control in Ventura County northwest of Los Angeles threatening some of the most scenic, valuable property on the west coast. Just moments ago came word it nearly doubled in size. Eighteen thousand acres now up from 10,000 earlier in the day. Up from nothing a little more than 24 or 36 hours ago. Four thousand homes, 350 other buildings now in danger.
In case you're wondering how a fire can go from zero to 18,000 acres so quickly, take a look at this. Experimental fire set by the Canadian forest service natural resources Canada, take a look. The camera's located just ahead of approaching -- an approaching flame front. Temperatures in degrees centigrade on the left, time along the bottom. As you can see, in just a matter of a few seconds, the temperature rises going up, hitting about 900 degrees centigrade. Somebody put it today if you were standing there seeing that, it would be the last thing you would ever see.
Of course, Kyung Lah did not get that close to the fire today. But as you can see, she and her crew got close enough. Take a look.
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KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm actually on the north end of this fire. For reference, this is highway 1, the onramp to highway 1 right behind me. Just beyond that, it is white. That is all smoke you're seeing here. The wind shifted just shortly after we got here.
There's actually active fire back there. You can't see it, though, because of the intense smoke. And as we pivot over this way, the winds are basically pushing all the smoke this way. What firefighters are dealing with here are these intense shifting winds which makes this fire very unpredictable.
What's over this way, again, straight through that white smoke, that area over there is point lagoon naval station. Firefighters were concerned about that but there's actually a wetland, a marsh, that they hope at this north end of the fire, they will actually be able to push it right into the Pacific Ocean.
So, what firefighters say is all over this fire is this. This is how dry everything is here in California. It is basically fuel for this fire. And so, firefighters have a very tough job ahead of them, especially with these winds.
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COOPER: Kyung Lah joins us now.
Amazing just how you really can't see anything when you're that close to it, how much smoke there is. Can you just give us a sense of the scope of this, where are you now?
LAH: Where we are is the northern section of the fire, the north flank of the fire. And just to give you a sense of the fact that this is still an active fire, Anderson, I want you to take a look over my shoulder. What you're seeing over there is black smoke. That area is still burning.
You mentioned the 18,000 acres. There is still very much a firefight happening in those hills, in the canyons. Firefighters going house to house, trying to save homes. There are still residents who have been evacuated. There are still thousands of structures that have to be protected.
So, firefighters, yes, the winds may have shifted but firefighters still have a very challenging job ahead of them. This is certainly not over. This is going to be a long night for firefighters. Again, they are hoping though, Anderson, that the weather will be cooperating with them.
COOPER: Yesterday, I think they had about 600 firefighters battling this thing. Is that still about the number they have working on it?
LAH: What we have now are 950 firefighters, that's pretty much the number we've seen throughout the day. That number of firefighters expected to stay on the line as they try to continue the containment. What we have as far as the latest information from firefighters is a 20 percent containment. They really want to try to get as much of a circle around this fire as possible, until they have it none of them are feeling comfortable about this.
The red flag warning, that is the hot desert winds, all of that is a huge problem for firefighters. The weather is going to change. They are hoping that it will cooperate and they will be able to get that containment line drawn around it, Anderson.
COOPER: Have you been seeing a lot of water drops also throughout the day?
LAH: We actually have. The reason why these hills look the way they do is because of those water drops. We have seen helicopters coming in, dropping water. They have been hitting this hard. That is what changed.
When you saw me in that white swirling smoke where you couldn't see, you couldn't breathe, the sky was red, it was so alarming in that moment, what changed was those helicopters and that's a huge factor for firefighters in trying to get a quick upper hand on it. But they've also been digging through the dirt trying to get that containment line as well, trying to get some of that brush under control.
COOPER: Be careful, Kyung Lah, and your crew as well. Thanks very much.
My next guest, Alan Simmons who is just back from the front line, a place he knew for three decades as a Southern California firefighter and also is a documentary filmmaker through his lens. He brings viewers as close to the action as he was and as you can see, he gets very close. Take a look.
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COOPER: Alan Simmons joins us now.
So, we have been looking at some of your images, those back in 2009. What is it about California fires that makes them so intense?
ALAN SIMMONS, RETIRED FIREFIGHTER: For one thing, the fuel conditions that we have and the weather conditions that are unique to southern California and possibly Australia. But that's basically what does it.
COOPER: I mean, the speed at which this thing has grown, it just seems so rapid. Is it moving fast? I mean, is it stronger than other fires like it around this time of year?
SIMMONS: Oh, definitely. It's very unusual to have a Santa Ana wind this early in the year. They do occur in the wintertime but they're not a factor due to the fuel moistures. And our fuel moistures are extremely low right now. They're normally about where they are now in August. So we've got very dry brush, we had a very high wind event with high temperatures and low humidity in the single digits and that spells a real recipe for fire.
COOPER: For the firefighters, I mean, what is the biggest challenge at this point?
SIMMONS: Well, there are several. Civilian safety, civilians that are involved in the fire area, firefighter safety, structure protection and the environment.
COOPER: And in terms -- I mean, how do they know when to build a fire line, fire break? How do they figure out exactly how to go about -- how to battle this thing? Because it just seems scientifically they're able to be very effective now.
SIMMONS: Well, in these wind-driven fires it's basically not much fire suppression that goes on until the wind slows down or stops, because you just can't stop the fire. They try to flank it from the origin and work from that point out, but basically, you're just trying to get civilians out of the way and provide structure protection, and do it in a safe manner for firefighters.
COOPER: And yesterday and today, you were out there. What did you see? How are things going from your vantage point?
SIMMONS: Yesterday, there was a lot of fire everywhere. Very, very fastly driven by the winds and uncontainable, and it's -- a lot of people don't realize when you get the first fire apparatus in there, the first, second, third alarm, then it's a long time before you get your extra resources because they're coming from a long distance and there's a big gap there in what you can do, until everybody's assembled. Sometimes that takes hours.
COOPER: How far can, you know, a lot of the embers that get picked up by the wind, how far can an ember be carried by the wind and then lay down and start another fire?
SIMMONS: Depending on the conditions of the brush, and it will go a quarter, half a mile, even as far as a mile, you will have spot fires.
COOPER: That's incredible. So an ember can be carried as much as a mile away to start another fire. That's amazing to me.
SIMMONS: It is amazing.
Listen, Alan Simmons, I appreciate you joining me to talk about what you've seen out there. Thank you so much.
Let us know what you think about all this. Follow me on twitter @Anderson cooper. I'm tweeting tonight.
Up next, what investigators are learning about where the Boston bombs were made and why investigators remain so interested in the dead suspect's widow.
Later, only on the program, the missing mom's friend. What she said about the woman she knew as Levy. It's a very different story from even yesterday.
Plus Dr. Drew and Mark Geragos on what might have driven a woman to vanish, abandoning her family and kids for 11 years.
COOPER: Welcome back.
A lot more developments in the Boston bombing case. We now know more about the deadly injuries the older suspect sustained. In addition to that, we are learning more about what was found in the home where authorities say the bombs were actually made and why investigators are still very interested in what his widow has to say.
Deborah Feyerick has late details on the forensics. Erin McPike is learning more about the widow and what seems to be intense on ongoing interest from the FBI.
Let's start with Deb Feyerick.
So, there's new information about what investigators found in the apartment that was shared by the elder brother and his wife. What do we know?
DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, what we know according to the source is that apparently investigators found evidence response folks found both residue on the kitchen table, on the kitchen sink and also in a bathtub. That's according to a source. And it syncs up with what a law enforcement official is telling us that the bombs or at least parts of the bombs were certainly made in the apartment there in Cambridge Street. That's the apartment, Anderson, that Tamerlan Tsarnaev shared both with his wife and his young daughter, as well as the brother-in-law, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who was also in that apartment often, actually, when he wasn't at college. So, that's what we're learning about the information there, Anderson.
COOPER: And Erin, you are near the family home of the widow, Katherine Russell's family. What is the latest we know about authorities' interest in her?
ERIN MCPIKE, CNN GENERAL ASSIGNMENT CORRESPONDENT: Well, Anderson, just yesterday, she met with investigators at her attorney's office. I spoke to her attorney just this morning and was trying to ask him what phase they're in, were they still trying to cut a deal. He said no, no, it's nothing like that. It's not like she is sitting across a table from investigators and they're just staring at each other. They are very much questioning her and in fact, they're even showing her pictures and asking her to comment on them.
So this investigation is pretty intense. And the other thing I can tell you, Anderson, is it's not like the FBI is finished with her just yet. For the past two weeks, there has been a very intense federal presence outside her parents' house. There are federal vehicles following her and stationed outside this house at all times.
COOPER: And explosive residue was found in the apartment she shared with her husband and with the young daughter. Lot of people are going to wonder how it would be possible she didn't have at least some idea of what was going on.
MCPIKE: Well, Anderson, there are two big reasons that could be used to explain that for her and her attorneys have said very little. Trust me, there have only been two statements. But the reasons that they have given are this. This is a very young couple. Tamerlan of course as you know was 26. She was 24. And she was the breadwinner of the two. She was working 75 to 80 hours a week, double your typical work week, so she was away and out of that home for a long time. And the second reason, Anderson, is that this very young couple had a 2 1/2-year-old daughter and she was of course spending her time caring for that kid, too, Anderson.
COOPER: Deb, a lot of attention now about Tamerlan Tsarnaev's body. What's the latest about how he died? Because we knew that as soon as his body had been claimed and a death certificate filed, then the cause of death would be announced. That happened today.
FEYERICK: Right. The cause of death was expected to be filed today and publicly released. It has not been. What we do know about his injuries is that after the shootout which happened that night when he killed, allegedly killed an MIT police officer, we know that a shootout followed in which he was injured. We also know that his brother ran over him with a car. So the nature of the injuries would include, for example, gunshot wounds, also trauma, both to the body but also to the head as well. But again, waiting for the official version of the medical -- the certificate, Anderson.
COOPER: And you've been talking -- do we know why it hasn't been released? They said it was supposed to be released Friday morning.
FEYERICK: Well, no. We don't. We don't. We got full word yesterday that once the medical examiner released the body, which they did yesterday, and it was picked up by one funeral home, then taken to another funeral home, because there was some controversy over where it was going to be buried, but no indication as to why they didn't actually publicly release the cause of death as we thought they would.
COOPER: You have been talking to sources about the claim by Dzhokhar Tsarnaev they initially intended to attack on the fourth of July. What are you hearing? FEYERICK: Well, talking to intelligence sources and what we're learning is this.
First of all, the only thing they have to go on right now is the statement from Dzhokhar Tsarnaev that in fact they were looking to do this attack on July 4th. But as far as physical evidence, right now, there's no indication that they were going to actually stage the attack on July 4th, and folks that I have been speaking to say look, look at the way they carried this out. There was too much dry run, too much rehearsing, and too much sort of technical and logistical and strategic accuracy to think that they sort of willy-nilly decided they were just going to do this on the spur of the moment, because somehow the bombs were ready. And so you know, think about how they would have had to time, how they coordinated it and how they were able to detonate it and simply slip away. So, that just doesn't happen because you're lucky. At least not according to the intelligence folks I'm speaking to.
COOPER: The other question I don't understand and clearly we don't know, but, I mean, if they're manufacturing a bomb and I assume it takes days and/or weeks or at least several days to do it, where are they hiding the bomb in between the time they're working on it and when the wife is coming home in this tiny apartment that she is not going to find it or that their 2 1/2-year-old baby is going to stumble across this bomb? So, I mean, that's one of the questions I would like answered. And obviously we don't know yet.
But Deb Feyerick, appreciate you working your sources. Erin McPike as well.
For more of the story, you can go to CNN.com.
Just ahead, it turns out the Pennsylvania mom who ran out on her family 11 years ago and then turned up in Florida this week actually wasn't homeless all these years. A friend who knew her and lived with her joins me ahead.
Also ahead, some dramatic closing arguments in the Jodi Arias trial. Both sides pulled out all the stops.
COOPER: Tonight, new details about a Pennsylvania mom's lost decade.
You may have heard about Brenda Heist who vanished 11 years ago, dropped her kids off at school, then fled to Florida without a trace. The photo on the left, that what she used to look like. The picture on the right was taken when she turned up last week in Key Largo. Her family was stunned to find out she was alive. She had been declared legally dead years ago.
Heist told police she walked out because she was distraught over her pending divorce and money problems. She described a life of hard knocks in southern Florida, living as a homeless person. But tonight, for the first time, another piece of her story is coming out. That's Heist on the right in this picture. The last three years she was living in northern Florida, where she was known as Lovie Smith. She had a place to live, friends, including the woman on the left. Her is Sondra Forrester. She joins me on the phone for an exclusive interview.
Sondra, thanks for being on the program. So, you knew Brenda as Levy. How did you first meet her?
SONDRA FORRESTER, KNEW BRENDA HEIST AS LOVIE (via phone): Hi, Anderson. I met Lovie through a neighbor, his name is Justin. Basically I was asking for if he had any suggestions for housekeeper and he gave me her name. He spoke very highly of her. He actually used her for a babysitter as well. So, that was sometime in 2010.
COOPER: So that was 2010. What did she tell you about herself? What was she like?
FORRESTER: You know, when you're visiting someone's house once a week, you know, there for six or eight hours cleaning, it was small talk usually. We talked a lot about the keys and she had lived there actually around the same time I had. We had that in common. She told me, you know -- she talked about the beach and things like that. But as time went on, you know, she talked more and more about her personal life with say her boyfriend. And you know, she told me that she had a bad relationship with her boyfriend and I started to kind of feel bad for her, and she described it as sort of an abusive situation, saying that he was maybe an alcoholic and I just let her know that my door was always open for her. I felt bad for her.
COOPER: Did she say that she had any kids, did she say she had ever been married?
FORRESTER: Well, once she actually moved in with me, moved in with me about six months after she started cleaning the house, and you know, I did ask questions but not a whole lot. But when I did ask, she made it clear that she never had kids and she didn't want any. She told me she had a miscarriage but I don't believe -- or I don't remember what she, you know, she said. She either got her tubes tied or something like that but she made it clear she didn't have any kids, never wanted any children. She said her mother had died, you know, she grew up without a mother and that she was a widow. She said she had been married for like 20 years to a man named Lee and he had worked for the Marriott and they had traveled around and visited amazing places and he had died. But, you know, I wasn't -- I wasn't asking all of these details to remember them, you know what I mean?
COOPER: No, of course.
FORRESTER: Just friendly conversation.
COOPER: What's interesting about that, lee was actually the name of the man she was married to that she had -- that she left. They were going to be getting a divorce. And a lot of reports had said that she was panhandling living under bridges, scavenging for food in the trash all these years. But, you said you met her in 2010 and after six months she came to live with you. How long did she stay in your house?
FORRESTER: She was with me for the remainder of the year, so about 10, 11 months. When she moved in, she had, you know, belongings. Like when she called me up and said hey, were you serious about that offer, I said yes, it took her a couple weeks to get all her stuff packed up and moved in.
COOPER: And did she have a cell phone, a facebook page?
FORRESTER: Yes. She had -- yes. She was on the computer a lot. She had her cell phone. She was on her cell phone texting and whatnot. And she had a facebook page, yes. She was on some internet dating sites. She had friends outside of me.
COOPER: Let me ask you, you know, I don't know if you saw the recent picture of her, the one we've been showing of the way she looked when she turned herself in to police just last week. Is that the way she looked to you? Because she looks very worn down.
FORRESTER: She really does. And no, I mean, I was absolutely shocked when I saw that photo. No. She didn't look like that.
COOPER: She's deteriorated since 2010-2011 time frame when you knew her?
FORRESTER: She has deteriorated significantly since the last time she was seen around here, which was, you know, the middle of 2012, the end of 2012. That's not been very long, you know, seven months or so.
COOPER: Did you ever suspect her of using drugs?
FORRESTER: I did not. I would never have allowed her around my family or my kids, you know.
COOPER: I know she became close, particularly to your son, who is around the age that her son was when she abandoned him. And amazingly, she actually told your son, unknown to you, what her real last name was. Is that true?
FORRESTER: It is true. I didn't know that until I wanted to pull my son, you know, aside and tell him because I didn't want him to see this on the news and whatnot without mom telling him first what had happened, you know.
And I just said you know, Miss Lovie, he said yes, I said well, that's not her real name. He said, yes, I know. I said you know her real name? He said her last name's Heist. I mean, he's just a very smart boy, and I was stunned that he knew that. But for a little boy, that's kind of a cool last name. I said honey, how did you know that? Miss Lovie told me.
COOPER: Wow. That's amazing.
FORRESTER: Yes. It really shocked me. She did tell me her name was Brenda at one time, but it was Brenda Smith.
COOPER: Right. Well, I appreciate you talking to us. The story is baffling on so many different levels. People are just trying to piece it all together. I appreciate you kind of helping us clarify some things. Thank you.
FORRESTER: Can I say one thing?
FORRESTER: I was very hesitant about doing this and only because, you know, I just feel like dragging it out and all's going to make it harder for her kids, and I get a little choked up saying this, even, or trying to talk about it. But you know, I did some interviews and it's so easy for the media to turn your words and all, and I just want to say my experience with her is that she did nothing to me except now that I find out lie, you know. She was a good person to me and my kids. And I just wish the best for her and her kids, really.
COOPER: Yes. In case you don't know, I talked to her son yesterday, who is obviously, he doesn't even know what to think about all this. You know, he isn't sure what he wants from her, if anything. So I can only imagine how tough this has been for them and obviously, she's got issues that she's dealing with. I appreciate you talking and explaining that last bit in particular. Thank you.
FORRESTER: Thank you, Anderson.
COOPER: You take care.
Now authorities in Pennsylvania, they spent years investigating Brenda Heist's disappearance. At one point they even reopened her cold case. Joining me now on the phone is John Schofield, one of the detectives who worked the case. He spoke to Heist after she turned herself in last week.
Also, Dr. Drew Pinsky, host of HLN'S "Dr. Drew On Call" and Mark Geragos, criminal defense attorney, author of "Mistrial, An Inside at How the Criminal Justice System Works and Sometimes Doesn't."
Detective Schofield, you have been on this case for 11 years now. I understand new details keep coming in. Just yesterday, you saw a young woman and her father who came to see you. What did they tell you? Who were they?
JOHN SCHOFIELD, LITITZ BOROUGH POLICE DETECTIVE (via telephone): They walked into my office and they didn't have an appointment, but they told my secretary that her name is Chelsea Lee Ann Smith and I would want to talk to her. When I brought her back to my office, she explained to me that she's been receiving collection notices for unpaid bills down in Pensacola in her name off her personal information.
And she explained to me that she believes that Brenda Heist was able to get her information due to the fact that Brenda, before she left, worked with Chelsea's mother Susan Smith, and she feels that Brenda was able to obtain her information before she left without her knowledge.
COOPER: We just spoke, Detective, to a woman that Brenda lived with in Pensacola who she also worked for, cleaned her apartment, took care of her kids sometimes. She paints kind of a nice picture of Brenda's time there, talking around pools, nice houses, certainly far from the narrative that we've been hearing about Brenda being homeless all this time, living under bridges. What do you make of this?
SCHOFIELD: You know, again, with this story, things have changed every day. But my initial interview with Brenda back on Monday, April 29th, she painted a picture that she was living a homeless life, living under bridges, eating food from -- discarded from local restaurants, and living in tents along the wood line. So there's a different picture being painted now.
COOPER: I look at the recent picture of her that we're showing our viewers, and it's obviously so different from the old picture of her from 11 years ago. I can't help but wonder if somehow drugs were involved. She looks frankly very kind of like a meth user. Do you know anything about that? Are there any reports about that?
SCHOFIELD: I agree with you. That's the first thing that I thought of as well when I got the picture from the sheriff's office that had her in custody. When I sat and spoke with her, I asked her specifically about that, and she only acknowledged that she uses marijuana and drinks occasionally wine, but that's about it.
COOPER: I mean, her face looks pretty ravaged. I mean, Dr. Drew, you're an addiction specialist. What do you make of that, and also just this whole story about why someone would do this?
DR. DREW PINSKY, HOST OF HLN'S "DR. DREW ON CALL": Well, I hate to sort of remove the romance from this story, but you're absolutely right. It's either she's a far different person than her family thought she was, which is one possibility. The other is that this is something neurobiological like methamphetamine or head injury. There is something called pseudosociopathy where people a relatively minor head injury for some people can cause pre-cortical damage.
COOPER: But it sounded like, she was facing a divorce. She was facing money problems --
PINSKY: That's when they start to really drift is when they can't manage the stress of social functioning. By the way, if it was a head injury, pure speculation, the symptoms get worse with time. And they end up homeless, end up looking like this, or meth or she was just a different person.
COOPER: But also, if she, you know, was stealing people's identity and she did serve time apparently in prison for taking somebody else's identity --
PINSKY: Sociopathy. They behave like sociopaths.
COOPER: Detective, there's no evidence of any kind of injury prior to her leaving, is there? SCHOFIELD: No, not at all.
MARK GERAGOS, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: She has all the earmarks of somebody on meth. Take a look at that, you take a look at that face, you take a look at everything that's been said, the changing stories, was living on the streets. I don't know about -- there is always an obsessive component to people, picking of the skin, they get that look.
COOPER: I talked to her son last night, who said he's not sure he wants to see her. He frankly doesn't know how to react to this. He doesn't know if he's angry, if he's sad. He doesn't know.
PINSKY: He should be all those things. It's brutal for the family, regardless of what the cause is. It's brutal for the family and they shouldn't necessarily welcome her back. It's just sad.
COOPER: Mark, now the ex-husband, Lee Heist, who has the same name as the son, Lee Heist, he may have to pay back $100,000 in life insurance that he got --
GERAGOS: He may have to, but I think he's got a pretty good defense to that. By all accounts at least, he did it in good faith. He collected, he went through all the kind of legal loopholes --
COOPER: It took seven years to get her declared dead.
GERAGOS: Exactly. He waited for all that. He did all he was supposed to do. I think a sharp lawyer could defend him on that.
COOPER: Detective, do you feel like we know the full story at this point? What happens to her? Does she face any charges at this point?
SCHOFIELD: I don't think we know the full story yet. The facts are she left. She turned her back on her family. She started a new life down in Florida. Those are the facts. Whether she lived homeless or whether she lived a wonderful life as a live-in housekeeper, I don't think that was -- for the 11 years, that was just for the last few years here.
Those are the facts. But as far as charges, she's still looking at those charges for the false IDs and for the thefts and for the drug possessions and paraphernalia down in Florida, probably looking at false IDs and identity theft up here in Pennsylvania possibly.
PINSKY: By the way, to have her deny drugs means nothing. It means zero. All my patients deny everything. What did you find is important?
GERAGOS: I drink wine occasionally. I just had two beers, Officer.
COOPER: Detective, I just think about you. You've been on this case for 11 years. I understand you had her picture up in your office this entire time. All that wasted man-hours. That's got to be infuriating.
SCHOFIELD: It is. It is. At first, we were happy we found her alive and it wasn't an unsolved homicide, which we feared for all these years, and wondering if we made any mistakes and had the chance to find her and we didn't. So it is upsetting.
To have all the hours of manpower that went in it for years and open up a cold case investigation like we did with all the detectives from around Lancaster County here and putting our heads together and coming up with different theories. One of the theories was she just walked away. But that was kind of on the bottom of the list, to be honest.
GERAGOS: I bet you one of the theories was her husband did it. Isn't that usually --
COOPER: He was.
GERAGOS: And that's exactly what your worst nightmare.
PINSKY: Tell you what, in my experience whenever a woman leaves her children, it is psychiatric and usually addiction. Women do not abandon their children. That is just such a powerful instinct to women that if they do you know there's something really serious going on.
COOPER: Sorry, Detective, go ahead?
SCHOFIELD: There are times that people just do bad things and take off like that, without --
PINSKY: But there's usually a long history of being a bad person that does that kind of thing or, and again, if you find it, there's a significant mental health problem, severe mental health stuff.
SCHOFIELD: I gave her all the credit in the world at the beginning. We never even would have imagined she walked away. In fact, everybody we interviewed, they were all consistent saying there's no way she would leave. She was a wonderful mother and everything that meant to her was being a mother. We gave her the credit that there's no way she left.
COOPER: She was coaching her daughter's team, the laundry was half finished.
PINSKY: Get a brain scan, guys. If we were evaluating this woman, that's the first thing we would do. First thing we would do.
COOPER: A brain scan would actually show something?
PINSKY: If there's a real frontal problem, sometimes you can see it. Yes.
COOPER: Again, such a fascinating case. Detective Schofield, I appreciate you coming on and talking about it. Dr. Drew Pinsky and Mark Geragos as well, thank you. Coming up tonight, the latest in the Jodi Arias trial. Her fate is now in the jury's hands.
COOPER: Welcome back. CNN is confirming what killed bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Deb Feyerick has the latest on that. She joins us now. So Deb, what have you learned?
DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: OK, well, Anderson, we were able to speak to the funeral home. They read us the death certificate. It has not yet been filed with the city of Boston. According to the death certificate, the cause of death is gunshot wounds to the torso and to the extremities. Also blunt trauma to the head and also to the torso.
This is very consistent with what happened early Friday morning, the night of that brutal shootout in which Tsarnaev and police officers exchanged gunfire and during which the younger brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, allegedly hit his brother with the car that they were using to escape.
Now we are told by the funeral home Graham Putnam Mahoney, which is in Worcester (ph), Massachusetts that Tsarnaev's body is being prepared there but as of yet, Anderson, they have no grave site, no place to put this man -- Anderson.
COOPER: Is it clear at this point who is going to conduct a service or anything like that, or who's paying for this?
FEYERICK: No. It's not. That's an excellent question, because the family in Russia has called for an autopsy to be performed. They want an independent autopsy. You look overseas, there are a lot of conspiracy theories as to involving these two young men.
As a matter of fact, in Kyrgyzstan, the country where they're originally from or where they spent time, I should say, there's a whole conspiracy theory as to how these two got caught up in all of this. But what we do know is they want an independent autopsy. No idea yet on who is actually going to pay for all of this -- Anderson.
COOPER: All right, Deb Feyerick, appreciate that. I want to bring in 360 M.D. Dr. Sanjay Gupta. Sanjay, blunt force trauma as well as bullet wounds to the upper torso. What do you make of it?
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, there are a couple things I'll point out. One is when a medical examiner looks at a situation like this, they're looking obviously at the body but oftentimes they're going to look at the situation as a whole. So looking at the police records, looking at the history of events, that's precisely what happened. It's a combination of things where they reach this conclusion.
They've said basically everything here. They say gunshot wounds to the torso and extremities, and blunt force to the head and torso. A combination of all these things led to his death is what they're saying. But the other thing they're sort of saying here is that individually, it may be that none of those things would have individually led to his death.
So it was a combination, like the gunshot wounds alone may not have caused his death, the blunt trauma alone may not have caused his death but in combination, it did. I know that may sound like a subtle point, but it is important, saying it was a combination of these injuries that led to the blood loss and ultimately his heart failing, which is the real cause of death.
COOPER: So we don't know if -- it's not a question of him bleeding out, it's ultimately -- or is it?
GUPTA: It very well could be. Most likely, it is ultimately a question of bleeding out because what happens is the situation where you lose enough blood, resuscitation, you know, fluids are given back, but if there's too much bleeding. You create a situation where the heart simply cannot keep up and the heart fails.
That ultimately is the cause of death in anybody, any human being, but what actually led to that and again, looking at the language very carefully here, a combination of the gunshot wounds as well as this blunt force trauma. The blunt force trauma could have caused additional bleeding after those gunshot wounds.
COOPER: OK, Sanjay, appreciate that, Deb Feyerick as well.
A lot more happening tonight including closing arguments in the Jodi Arias murder trial. That's next.
COOPER: Getting caught up on some of the other stories we're following. Isha is here with the "360 Bulletin" -- Isha.
ISHA SESAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, the fate of Jodi Arias is now in the hands of jurors. They got the case after a second day of dramatic closing arguments. Arias is charged with first degree murder. If convicted she could face the death penalty. Deliberations resume on Monday.
A record day on Wall Street as the Dow briefly hit the 15,000 mark. Stocks surged following the latest numbers showing the unemployment rate dropped to 7.5 percent. That eased traders' fears of a summer slowdown.
The CDC is reporting a troubling increase in America's suicide rate. Since 1999, it found a 28 percent jump in adults over the age of 35 taking their own life. The number of suicides in 2010 was more than double the number of homicides.
New information on American journalist James Foley missing in Syria, the "Global Post" reports he is likely in the custody of the Assad regime. Foley was contributing to the "Global Post" when he was captured by gunmen last November. Anderson, check this out. What would you do if a bear crawled into your pickup truck and locked you out? Evan Neilsen grabbed his cell phone and recorded this unbelievable video. At one point the bear had both hands on the steering wheel and was honking the horn. Police arrived to let it out but not before the bear tore apart the inside of the truck.
SESAY: Yes. It's like me behind the wheel.
COOPER: Is that right? Really, crazy. I'll give you some lessons.
Coming up, the "Ridiculist." actually, no? We're not doing the "Ridiculist." OK, all right, fine. Sorry. What do I know, it's Friday. When it comes to exciting new flavors, Canada may not be the first place that comes to mind unless of course you're traveling with Anthony Bourdain. This Sunday he heads north of the border to Quebec. I sat down for a meal with him to hear more about it. Take a look.
COOPER: This weekend you go to Quebec. Why Quebec?
ANTHONY BOURDAIN, HOST, CNN'S "PARTS UNKNOWN": We have such a fuzzy, in general America has such a fuzzy notion of who are these Canadians, you know. They're kind of like us. But that's about all we know. There really aren't such problems when -- once you've been to Quebec. They know who they are in Quebec.
They are obstinately, you know, francophone, the extent to which they even want to be part of Canada is at least a source of constant discussion. And for whatever reason, the most exciting chefs in North America have been coming out of Quebec for some time.
COOPER: Why is that?
BOURDAIN: People with a real sense of identity, a real sense of history, and a maniacal, many would say dangerous sense of exactly how much food and alcohol is required for a good time.
COOPER: He said it's the most dangerous chefs in the world in Quebec. You can catch Anthony Bourdain "PARTS UNKNOWN" this Sunday, 9:00 p.m. Eastern. Coming up, the "Ridiculist."
COOPER: Time now for the "Ridiculist." Tonight, we have a story straight out of the cutthroat hotbed of competition that is the ice cream truck turf war of upstate New York. Seriously, it's like the west side story up there. Instead of the sharks and the jets, this rivalry pits Mr. Dingaling against Snow Cone Joe and no, I'm not making those names up. It seems Snow Cone Joe is trying to freeze Mr. Dingaling by following Mr. Dingaling's truck, blasting music and trying to lure away his customers with just outrageous promises.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The other truck followed me to the right, followed me to the left. I had someone behind me blaring their music offering free ice cream. It's a little ridiculous.
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COOPER: Ridiculous, free ice cream. Snow Cone Joe though didn't just stop at the promise of free ice cream. No. Mr. Dingaling says Snow Cone Joe called up Dingaling headquarters and said, I quote, "I own this town," which is pretty cold, especially since Mr. Dingaling seems like well, kind of a softy. He's driving his ice cream truck, based on nothing but good humor.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It has been going on, the issue with other vendors that have been trying to solicit ice cream in the city of Gloversville. I never planned on this happening. I just want to try to help my family out, make a few bucks, have fun, and put some smiles on children's faces. It's unfortunate that it came to this.
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COOPER: He's just trying to make the kids happy. Really melts your heart. So the cherry on top of all this is now the police have gotten involved and Snow Cone Joe faces harassment and stalking charges. That's right. He totally got soft served along with his alleged partner in cream -- I mean crime.
There's another twist. Actually, there is. I just wanted to say twist. Swirling allegations they may get their assets frozen. I'll stop. I'm done with ice cream references. Snow Cone Joe let Mr. Dingaling do his thing. These turf wars got to stop. Let's keep it cordial and lick this problem once and for all, shall we?
That does it for us. We'll see you again one hour from now, 10:00 p.m. Eastern, another edition of 360. Thanks for watching. "PIERS MORGAN LIVE" starts now.