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The Arias Jury`s Questions
Aired April 30, 2013 - 20:00:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight: Jodi Arias facing perhaps her toughest questions yet, from the jury, Arias pelted with 200 jury questions. And they aren`t cream-puffs. Far from it. Arias forced to confront why she never called police for help, why she never ran away from Alexander and why she waited two years to tell the truth. And that`s the tip of the iceberg.
Just days away from a verdict, what insights will these questions and Arias`s answers give us on where the jury is headed, what are they thinking, the jury that could convict Jodi Arias of first degree murder, the jury that could send her to the death penalty?
In the early moments of questioning, the jury wastes no time going after Arias, asking a question many of us were thinking. Why would Arias put the digital camera in the washer?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "If you were kneeling when you dropped the camera, how did it roll as far as it did?"
JODI ARIAS, MURDER DEFENDANT: It didn`t really roll very far. It just kind of gave a bounce or two, and maybe rolled, like, right here. It didn`t roll very far.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Was Travis sitting down when you dropped the camera?"
ARIAS: Yes, he was. I think so.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "On June 4, 2008, after you got up and ran toward the closet, is it possible that Travis picked up the camera on the bathroom floor and moved it?"
ARIAS: Yes. And to clarify, I didn`t run toward the closet, I ran down the hall right after I rolled away from him. And that`s completely possible and that`s an idea I`ve entertained also. But I didn`t see anything. I just ran, and I didn`t look back.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Could that also explain the delay in his arrival and his anger in the closet at the door threshold?"
ARIAS: Would that be the camera (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
ARIAS: It certainly could. The delay -- maybe he was -- the floor was wet and he was -- I don`t know if it -- just the traction, but I mean, with him getting down the hallway, I don`t know. But the camera -- I don`t even remember how the camera ended up where it did, so I don`t know if he picked it up and inspected it or how it got kicked around, or if it got kicked around, that kind of thing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Why did you put the camera in the washer?"
ARIAS: I don`t have memory of that. I don`t know why I would do that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "After you shot Travis, why not run out of the house to get away?"
ARIAS: OK. I`m sorry. That is correct. After I shot him -- I didn`t know that I shot him, but after the gun went off, he -- while he was lunging at me, we fell over and he was trying to get on top of me. It`s hard to describe the fear. It was, like, mortal terror. It really was. He was trying to get on top of me. I thought he was -- and then he threatened my life. I really thought he was -- had intentions to kill me. So I don`t remember any specifics of what happened right after that point.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "A lot of your answers to the questions you were asked made it seem like you put Travis`s feelings and priorities before your own. If that were true, why didn`t you call for help after you shot Travis?"
ARIAS: Usually, his priorities went before mine when it was something that he wanted. When the gun went off, I didn`t know that I had shot him. I thought it hit a wall. So as far as not calling 911 -- immediately after, it wasn`t an option. He lunged at me, and we fell and wrestled there for a quick second before I broke away.
And then as far as not calling 911, like I said, I can`t really explain my state of mind following -- immediately following. And after that, it was - - it was basically fear-based as far as not calling any authority or telling any authority at all.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Why didn`t you just run out of the house instead of grabbing the gun from the closet?"
ARIAS: Well, again, I can`t -- it happened so fast. I did initially think "Run," so that`s why I went down the hallway. And then right as I got to the hallway, with the doors being shut, it just seemed like more of an obstacle. It would give him more time to catch up, to open the door this way and run around it and out, when this door was an equal distance and open, and I could just run that way and into it.
So my thought maybe initially was to run out the other door and then around and out, but just something to create more distance because last time I`d run that same route, I was not successful in running out of the room.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "You said when the gun went off, you weren`t sure if you shot Travis. So when you came out of the fog on your way to Utah, why didn`t you call 911 to help Travis?"
ARIAS: When I sort of came out of the fog, I realized, Oh, crap, something bad had happened. And I was scared to call any authority at that point.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Why were you afraid of the consequences if you killed Travis in self-defense?"
ARIAS: I was -- I believed that it`s not OK in any circumstance to take someone`s life, even if you`re defending your own life. That`s how I believed it. So I had never really stopped to consider how society would view it as someone`s defending themself. I just felt like I had done something wrong, and I was afraid of what the consequences would be.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Why did you decide to tell the truth two years after the killing?
ARIAS: It took two years because I was very deeply ashamed of what had happened. I used to consider people who were violent in any form to be somewhat unevolved. That`s how I looked at it. And now I was that kind of person to a very extreme degree.
And I was horrified with myself and very ashamed, and it wasn`t the kind of person that I was trying to portray to the world, as well as who I even believed I ever could be inside or out.
However, as time went on and I evolved and I matured and I gained more perspective as things get farther away, there were a lot of people that reached out to me and offered support because they believed in my stupid story. And I felt really bad for that because they were there for me and they wanted to offer moral support. And I felt fraudulent the more things -- the further along things got.
At first, it was, like, yes, OK, I`m going to be dead soon, so I won`t have to answer that. And then -- it started off as a secret that I wanted to take to my grave with me, and then it became one that I didn`t want to keep anymore. So it wasn`t an overnight decision. It was a very gradual process. And it just -- I felt fraudulent. You start just feeling -- I mean, obviously, (INAUDIBLE) beginning, but it becomes a really yucky feeling inside. It doesn`t feel good.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Would you decide to tell the truth if you never got arrested?"
ARIAS: I honestly don`t know the answer to that question.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "You say you waited two years to tell the truth because you were ashamed. Does that mean you are no longer ashamed?"
ARIAS: No, that doesn`t. I`m still very deeply ashamed. It simply means that it became more difficult to deal with holding it in because, like I said, the feeling of being fraudulent was so great, I couldn`t hold it in any longer.
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GRACE: Child pornography and Spider-Man boys` underwear -- we`ve heard so much about it in this case, the defense somehow intimating Alexander`s a pedophile. But where`s the evidence? Oddly enough, Arias, a photographer, has pictures of a lot of things, but not a single picture of the Spider-Man boys` underwear in question. The jury also wants to know why did Arias change her mind and decide to spill the beans about Alexander`s alleged pedophilia.
Listen to Arias as she tries to wiggle explanations past the jury.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "What made you change your mind and tell everyone about Travis`s secret, the child picture?"
ARIAS: The first time I decided to was when I was talking to a psychologist from California and we were exploring dynamics of our relationship. And it took me a long time, but several months beyond that, I told other people.
It became -- I had made a promise to him that I would never say anything. And so he made a promise that he would get help. And I wanted to keep my promise. I didn`t want to throw mud on him. He was -- it`s not like he was a threat that anything`s going to happen to any children at this point. Why even go there? Why tell anyone?
But it was such a huge part of our relationship, in that everything thereafter changed, everything. So when I realized that, in retrospect, I don`t think he ever upheld his end of the bargain, I felt less obligated to keep that secret. And also, it was just -- it changed everything in our relationship, so leaving that element out is, like, a huge missing piece of the puzzle of how things ultimately evolved the way they did.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "You said you were sick to your stomach when you saw Travis with child pictures. So why did you sleep with him again?"
ARIAS: After throwing up a few times that day, I wanted to talk to him and give him a chance to explain what was going on. So we ended up getting together later on after FHE (ph), much later in the evening, and he gave me a tearful explanation. And I felt more sympathetic towards him than disgusted at that point because of how he explained it to me.
That was not a side of Travis that he wanted to even exist. And of course, I didn`t want it to exist. I was under the impression that when he was able to sleep with a woman, as opposed to fantasizing about a child, he felt, like, more normal as a man.
So also, I had seen prior to this incident many beautiful qualities and good qualities about him and things that were attractive about him. And I believed that this incident was a negative part of himself that he didn`t want to foster or that he was fighting or struggling against, and that he ultimately wanted to eradicate.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "You took pictures of the shirt and shorts. Did you take pictures of the Spider-Man underwear? If no, why not?"
ARIAS: I did not take pictures of those because that`s embarrassing, as opposed to the shorts and shirt, which were sentimental to me. I didn`t want to memorialize boys` underwear, and I didn`t want people to know that that was a preference of his and that I was dumb enough to go along with that preference.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Travis stated on the phone sex conversation he did not like Spider-Man. Why did he buy you Spider-Man underwear if he did not like that character?"
ARIAS: I don`t know why, but they were Spider-Man. And I do know, however, that prior, the year prior, he -- there was a child he was close with that really liked Spider-Man. I don`t know if that had anything to do with it. But he was very much into Spider-Man. He would dress up as Spider-Man. He had the...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection, beyond the scope. She was asked if she knew why.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sustained.
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GRACE: Next, Jodi Arias danced, and now she`s got to pay the piper. She faces the music straight from the jurors themselves, The questions all about the weapon, or one of them, the gun.
GRACE: Travis Alexander`s gun, the gun nobody else seems to know he owned except for Arias -- be that as it may this jury`s got a lot of questions for Arias about that alleged gun, asking when did she find the gun, was it kept loaded, did Travis ever tell her he kept the gun loaded?
Watch as Jodi Arias tries to answer these questions rapid-fire.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "When did you find Travis`s gun?"
ARIAS: It would have been October, November, sometime in the fall. It was before Christmas 2007. I know it was before Christmas. I don`t remember the exact time in the fall.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Was it kept loaded in the closet?"
ARIAS: He told me it was not loaded.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Did Travis ever tell you he kept his gun loaded?"
ARIAS: He told me of one time that he did -- he considered loading it, but he assured me that it was not loaded.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "If you did not think the gun was loaded, why chance grabbing a gun that may not be loaded instead of just running outside?"
ARIAS: I grabbed the gun not because I intended to shoot him. I grabbed the gun because my thought is that if a gun is pointed, you stop. Whether, it`s loaded or not, I`ve always been taught you don`t point guns at people, period, just as a safety precaution. So I can only imagine what I would do at that situation. If a gun were pointed at me, I would stop. And I was hoping that it would have that effect on him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "After you snatched the gun off the shelf, did you do anything to the gun, such as cock it, slip off the safety, manipulate a slide or anything prior to it going off?"
ARIAS: I don`t even think I would know how to do that, so the answer is I don`t know. Probably not. I just grabbed it and pointed it, is what I remember.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Had you ever had any firearms training or fire a .25 caliber pistol prior to this event?"
ARIAS: Never fired a gun, but I was relatively familiar with them -- not formally trained but relatively familiar. Just -- I don`t know, not formally trained.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "How far away from you was Travis when the gun went off? Not when he lunged, but when the gun went off."
ARIAS: The lunging and the gun going off was sort of contemporaneous. I don`t remember how close they were or if it happened at exactly the same moment or one right after the other. It all happened very fast and it all seemed to happen all at once. And I would say as far as distance, maybe as far as Mr. Babecue (ph), but I couldn`t say for sure, or absolutely certain -- certainty.
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GRACE: When we come back, what does Arias remember about stabbing Travis Alexander to death?
GRACE: The Jodi Arias jury doesn`t pull any punches, asking sharp, incisive questions of Arias herself, this line of questioning particularly incisive. Was Jodi Arias mad at Travis when she stabbed him? And how could she remember details about so many sexual encounters, but she can`t remember stabbing Travis and dragging his body to the shower stall? Take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Why is it that you have no memory of stabbing Travis?"
ARIAS: I can`t really explain why my mind did what it did, maybe because it`s too horrible. I don`t know. I really don`t know the answer as to why I blacked out or have memory gaps that -- much of that day.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Were you mad at Travis while you were stabbing him?"
ARIAS: I don`t remember being angry that day. I remember being terrified.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "How is it that you remember so many of your sexual encounters, including your ex-boyfriends, but you do not remember stabbing Travis and dragging his body?"
ARIAS: As far as what happened on June 4th, I don`t know how the mind works necessarily, but I know that that was the most traumatic experience of my life. And outside of those blanks and the ones that I`ve mentioned as far as that were alcohol-related when I was a teenager, I don`t have other blackouts that I can recall just when memories get foggy, when I get stressful.
I think, actually, that I have a very good memory. I can remember tons of things. But when I`m under a stressful situation, it`s as if my mind -- you can imagine a computer that freezes, it`s turned on, but it`s not functioning. And you can hit the keys, but nothing`s happening, just like the sound waves are hitting my ears, but the brain is not computing. It`s kind of like that.
So I don`t black out during those times, but my mind is not processing the English words that are being said to me or screamed at me, or whichever.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "How can you say that you don`t have memory issues when you can`t remember how you stabbed him so many times and slashed his throat?
ARIAS: Well, I think that I have a good memory, and June 4th is an anomaly for me. Like I said yesterday, it`s in a class of its own, and I can`t explain why -- what kind of state of mind I was in. It was -- most of the day was an entire blank, and little pieces have come back, but not very many. So I can`t explain that day alone. But if you were to put that day over here, all the other days of my life, I don`t think I have memory issues that are any different from another average person.
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GRACE: Coming up, more hardball questioning by the Jodi Arias jury, Arias forced to take the jury through the murder timeline herself.
GRACE: Tonight: Jodi Arias facing perhaps her toughest questions yet, questions from the jury, Arias pounded with 220 jury questions. And they are not easy questions. Far from it. We`ve heard all kind of stories about Jodi Arias, many from Jodi Arias`s own mouth. But this time, Jodi Arias asked by the jury point-blank to walk them through the final moments of Travis Alexander`s life, using a floor plan, exhibit 249.
Watch and listen. Do you believe she`s credible? Why is she suddenly talking about football? And most important, if you were on this jury, do you believe her?
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ARIAS: It started where Travis was in the shower. I was right outside the shower a few feet. I was taking photos of him. Facing him in the shower. Back and forth we would check the photos. Some got deleted because they didn`t turn out great and he was making a wrong expression or something, and then others were kept.
And so I would do this and do that. And then we crouched and do the same thing. We tried a few different positions. And then at one point I was -- we were deleting and I went to move again and shift and face him, and the camera -- it slipped. It was kind of like the best I could describe it like when you go to catch a football but it bounces and you kind of fumble it a little.
Because it didn`t slip and just drop. It slipped and I tried to catch it and it kind of bounced a little and then fell in the ground, and bounced and rolled onto the tile. So first on the mat, and it rolled right on to the tile. The mat isn`t very big. It`s just kind of right outside the shower. And then the tile. It`s right up there.
So at that point he got very angry and he stepped out of the shower. He lifted me up from the crouched position with enough force that my feet came off the ground momentarily and he body slammed me on the tile. At that point I rolled and I ran down the hallway. I ran down the hallway. I ran into the closet. I slammed the door. I start running.
If you are looking at the diagram it would be on the left side of the -- I began running that way with my initial intent to probably run out this door. I instead went for the gun, grabbed the gun. Right as -- right about then Travis was opening the door, I grabbed it. I ran out into the bathroom. He ran I believe straight towards the door, as well. At that point I had run out of the bathroom and I turned and I just wanted him to stop so I pointed the gun at him hoping that that would just make him halt and it didn`t.
Instead he lunged at me right around the time that the gun went off and I didn`t mean for it to go off. We fell with pretty good force down into the corner near 15 but not quite that close. It was kind of near the sink, kind of -- sort of that area. And he fell kind of on top of me but to my right. I didn`t want him to get on top of me. He was grabbing at my clothes. He was trying to get on top of me.
I don`t know where the gun went at that point. It was not in my hands anymore. It got knocked out of my hands or if I dropped it but I broke away from him and as soon as I broke -- the moment I broke away that`s when he threatened my life. I have no clear memories after that at all. Things begin to get really foggy after the gun went off and I know he was screaming and cursing.
I don`t know and remember the exact words except the ones he said to me right after I dropped the camera which was about a 5-year-old being able to hold a camera better than me and that I was an idiot. And he was using profanities with those statements.
JUDGE SHERRY STEPHENS, MARICOPA COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT: Was he chasing you after you shot him in the head?
ARIAS: Right after the shot occurred we had fallen over in the bathroom again towards the sink -- the sink and garbage can area, kind of in the corner. So he didn`t chase me in that moment but that is where we struggled on the floor. And again as soon as I broke away he said, f-ing kill you, bitch, I don`t remember a lot after that. So whether he chased me or not I couldn`t say.
STEPHENS: You testified that you thought you heard his footsteps. If you weren`t sure why didn`t you just run down the stairs and out the door?
ARIAS: It was all a split second decision. But like I had said when I got toward the carpet area that`s where he caught my wrists before when I began running down that hallway on a previous occasion. And so here I am running away from him down the hallway again. And on the previous occasion my intention was to run out of the room and I didn`t make it out of the room. So rather than try to this time open the door and run out of the room this closet door was open and I knew there was another exit, so I just ran into that as quickly as I could.
STEPHENS: Why did you think that the incident that happened on June 4th, 2008 was any different from the ones before so that you had to kill him to protect yourself?
ARIAS: June 4th was very different in that, even though I thought he would never get that way again because it just like -- I think he scared himself when I passed out based on our subsequent conversation and we realized how far it went. I thought that it was done at that point as far as violence goes. So when it happened again and I realized what kind of -- how far it can escalate when he gets that angry, I was terrified this time especially because he was trying to get on top of me and also he just kept coming. He didn`t stop even when I tried to stop him by running where I point a weapon at him, he kept coming and kept coming and he just did not stop.
STEPHENS: Do you agree that you came away from the June 4 incident rather unscathed while Travis suffered a gunshot and multiple stab wounds? You`ve only had a bump on your head, a bruise on your head, cuts or scrapes on your ankles, and a possible shoulder injury?
ARIAS: As far as making comparisons of physical injuries, him versus mine, yes, I would have to say that`s a relatively accurate assessment.
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GRACE: Next, the jury wants to know why Jodi Arias never called police on Travis Alexander.
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GRACE: Inevitably juror questions turned to sex. Members of the jury want to know did Arias ever voiced concern about being uncomfortable with sexual fantasies.
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STEPHENS: Why did you feel so uncomfortable about anal sex with Travis when you had previously tried it?
ARIAS: In my previous relationships it was only something we tried one time or two times. And those were long term relationships. The reason that that was not a regular part of the bedroom curriculum was because it was uncomfortable. And with Travis that was his preference and that is one of the reasons I got the KY. It made it less uncomfortable obviously so that`s why it became more regular in our relationship.
STEPHENS: If you didn`t want to be tied up to a tree why would you go up and look for a place where he could do that?
ARIAS: It wasn`t being tied to the tree that I was looking for. We were looking for a place out in the woods, nature, to somehow carry out this Little Red Riding Hood fantasy, and my understanding of that is that it would involve sex, but he had many other ideas as you`ve heard on the tape. It didn`t necessarily mean that I was going to go for all of those. I was kind of pushing my own limits anyway by going out to the woods to find a spot.
STEPHENS: On the phone sex tape when Travis was talking about photos and taking video, was that all part of his fantasy?
ARIAS: Taking photos and video -- yes, that was a fantasy that he hoped to realize.
STEPHENS: Did you ever voice concern to Travis about being uncomfortable with some of his sexual fantasies?
ARIAS: Yes. There was one fantasy that he wanted to do which was pulling off on side of the freeway exit and having sex on the hood of the car. And I was -- I told him that that would be impossible. I could even think of an exit in northern California where that could be accomplished and nobody would see us. So that -- and I was a little uncomfortable with the Mile High thing that he wanted to do because the flight attendants -- tend to monitor who is going and coming from the bathroom and they don`t allow two people in the bathroom at once. So just those two that I recall.
STEPHENS: You have testified to many different occasions where you performed sexual favors with Travis to keep him pleased and happy. Are you saying you`ve never got pleasure out of sex with Travis?
ARIAS: Definitely not. I did. On many occasions he was very romantic, very loving. And I guess you could say attentive and he cared about my pleasure, as well. Not always. But there were times when he was -- we were very compatible in that regard.
STEPHENS: Did you enjoy having sex with Travis?
ARIAS: For the most part, yes, I did. Very much.
STEPHENS: Did he force you to do things you didn`t want to do?
ARIAS: There were things I wasn`t comfortable with. I didn`t feel all together forced. I went along with it. So I didn`t -- he didn`t physically force me or anything like that.
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GRACE: Jodi Arias never calls police on Travis, not a single time. Shocking considering the supposed level of abuse she faced. Watch as the jury seizes on this point. And did Arias, a photographer, ever take pictures of herself after Alexander hit her? What do you think she`ll say?
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STEPHENS: Would you classify your relationship with Travis Alexander as a love/hate relationship?
ARIAS: It certainly had all the motions of a love/hate relationship but I never felt that I hated Travis. I screamed that out one time when he wasn`t pleasant, after a really mean phone call, but I never felt hatred towards Travis although we had those ups and downs that were pretty extreme.
STEPHENS: You have testified about several incidents where Travis was physical to you. Were you ever physical to Travis besides when you killed him?
ARIAS: I think when he was choking me my hands were free, was over my torso, my arms were free so I may have tried to push him off or I didn`t want to injure him. I just wanted to get him off of me. But that was very quick and it didn`t last long.
STEPHENS: Would you consider the event when Travis choked you a stressful event?
ARIAS: Certainly. Yes.
STEPHENS: If yes, why do you recall the event so clearly?
ARIAS: I recall up to the point where he was choking me and passing out. I had disorientation after I woke up. I had to get my bearings. I wasn`t sure where I was and then I recognized Travis` bedroom. I was lying on my side coughing and so I saw the carpet --
JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: (INAUDIBLE). How she is -- how she`s able to remain (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is explaining it, Your Honor.
STEPHENS: Overruled. You may continue.
ARIAS: So I was experiencing disorientation. I wasn`t thinking gosh, Travis just choked me out. I was actually thought, sort of wandered through my mind, I said, was Napoleon in my head. That`s was my thought. So it didn`t really have any relation to the event. That was just the thought. I was kind of getting my bearings. So there is -- it`s not completely clear. I just remember he had his hands around my neck and he was banging my head on the carpet. And I tried pushing him off and it was -- then I blacked out really shortly after that.
STEPHENS: Did you ever take pictures of yourself after he hit you?
ARIAS: No, I did not.
STEPHENS: Why did you call the cops on your ex who shook you but you never called the cops on Travis?
ARIAS: When -- well, that was when he tried to break my forearm. We were wrestling. I was trying to get to the phone. It seemed logical to call 911. I never did with Travis because that prior experience with calling 911 he grabbed the phone out of my hand and hung it up. It was a very negative experience and told me to shut up. They`re going to call back. They did call back. He created an excuse as to why 911 was accidently dialed.
And so after that -- I mean, this was years and years later, as far as June 4th there were no phones upstairs to my knowledge. And for previous reasons he would make up for it in ways that Bobby didn`t.
STEPHENS: You claim to have memory lapses or gaps during times of stress such as when you are being yelled at or grilled. How is it that you have such vivid and specific memories of violence and yelling by Travis such a long time ago if this is the case?
ARIAS: With the violence it`s not that I have to process the English language. It is more, I feel those things. I know he broke my finger because it is still broken or healed but it`s crooked. I know he choked me up because I woke up from being unconscious. As far as him yelling I know he is yelling because there is a loud volume and it has an effect on me.
I don`t know all the things he said, for example, the night he was -- he said disparaging things about my grandfather and my brother. Those stand out. But that`s all I can remember as a three-hour session of him screaming at me before I was able to leave. So many things were said, mean things, and I didn`t process them all. Some I wrote down. And that`s when he made me tore them up. So I don`t -- I didn`t write them after that.
STEPHENS: During these altercations, why didn`t you just scream and hope that someone would hear you and help you?
ARIAS: I did scream. I wasn`t thinking of somebody helping me. For example, I screamed when he threw me on the floor and started kicking me. I was unable to scream when he had his hands around my wind pipes. And I`m sure I was screaming on June 4th.
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GRACE: When we come back the jury asked about the now infamous words uttered out of Jodi Arias`s own mouth.
GRACE: Jodi Arias does an interview with "Inside Edition," bragging no jury would ever convict her. And you can bet the jury has questions about that, too. Wanting to know not only was Arias paid for the interview, but for all the other interviews she did. Also one juror wants to know why Arias would even say that phrase at all.
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STEPHENS: You said that one of your worst fears was for everyone to find out what was going on in your relationship. So why did you talk to "48 Hours" and other TV stations?
ARIAS: My attempts to talk to them was to present a better image of our relationship and down play the negative aspects. It`s not really a big deal, it wasn`t that bad. That kind of thing. Oh, yes, I knew that he did that, but that wasn`t a big deal. Even our arguments, sure, it was -- there was turmoil, it was rocky, but we were friends. So my attempt was more to present a good image of Travis and a good image of myself and that our relationship had its ups and downs but we were still on good terms.
STEPHENS: Were you paid for the interview with "48 Hours"?
ARIAS: No. No. I never asked for compensation. They never offered. There was no compensation at all.
STEPHENS: Were you ever paid for the interview with "Inside Edition"?
ARIAS: The same. No. I was not paid -- someone encouraged me to ask because she had given an interview to "Inside Edition" and they paid her 50 bucks. She had a charge in New York when they did that. And -- but I did not ask, and they didn`t offer.
STEPHENS: Whether you had plans to commit suicide or not, why even mention, "No jury will ever convict me, mark my words, because I am innocent," in the interview?
ARIAS: Well, I was very confident that no jury would convict me because I was going to be dead. As far as saying I`m innocent, definitely innocent of my charge was what I meant. And also I assumed that I would be in the next life, where I believe that, you know, God is the ultimate judge, that he would understand the circumstances of that day and that it would ultimately -- that he would -- that he would be -- that he would know all the circumstances that happened that day.
So in that regard, innocent of the charge. But definitely there wouldn`t be a conviction because you don`t convict a dead person. I would be in the grave at that point.
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GRACE: Stay with us. More of Jodi Arias on the hot seat, next.
GRACE: We remember American hero, Marine Sergeant Jesse Balthaser, 23, Columbus, Ohio Purple Heart, Combat Action Ribbon, National Defense Service Medal. Parents, Rick and Nancy, daughter Regan.
Jesse Balthaser, American hero.
And now back to Arias. While it may be one of the simplest questions from a juror, it may be one of the best. How do you determine when you will tell the truth and when you will not tell the truth. What are the determining factors? Will the jury buy Jodi Arias` explanation?
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ARIAS: Anything that related back to my involvement in Travis` death or de-edifying him in any way, I covered up. I attempted to cover up. So the lies that I told after all of this happened were direct related to those two main things.
STEPHENS: After all the lies you have told, why should we believe you now?
ARIAS: Lying isn`t typically something I just do. I`m not going to say that I`ve never told a lie in my live before this incident, but the lies that I`ve told in this case are -- can be tied directly back to either protecting Travis` reputation or my involvement in his death in any way. Because I was very ashamed of the death and also I wanted to edify Travis in a good way.
I didn`t want to de-edify him or say hateful things about him especially now that he had passed away. And I also didn`t want that to be construed as motive, for example, if he was violent with me.
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GRACE: Everyone, thank you for being with us. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.