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Twenty Boston Victims Remain in Hospitals; Abortion Doctors on Hidden Camera; Zeta-Jones Getting Treatment; Boston Bombing Survivor Speaks

Aired April 30, 2013 - 14:30   ET



JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back to CNN. I'm Jake Tapper alongside my colleague Brooke Baldwin. We're live in Boston, right in front of Copley Square for special coverage of the investigation and the fallout of the Boston marathon terrorist attacks.

Three lives lost in those bombings, more than 260 people wounded, but their injuries are getting better. Thankfully CNN has learned 20 Boston bombing victims remain in the hospital and not a single one of them is currently listed in critical condition.

We're waiting right now on a news conference with one of the wounded, a 35-year-old, who wants to share his message with the world as he recovers from burns and shrapnel wounds. We will bring that to you live.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Yes, we're waiting for that from Brigham and Women's, one of the fine hospitals here in Boston. But first, a controversial story out of your neck of the woods, out of Washington, D.C., this anti-abortion group releases hidden camera video that claims to expose abortion providers with this one particular doctor.

You hear him on this film saying that hypothetically if a fetus was born alive through an attempted abortion, he and his staff would, quote, "not help it stay alive." Pregnant women were sent into clinics with hidden cameras by this group called "Live Action." Two videos already released and the group says it has more.

Shannon Travis is working the story for us today out of our nation's capital. And, Shannon, tell me more about this group. What is this group claiming?

SHANNON TRAVIS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Brooke. The videos they claim to expose something inhumane and frankly illegal, the alleged willingness of medical personnel to kill babies who are born alive after botched abortions. Now, behind these videos, the staunch anti- abortion group Live Action, they say, Brooke, they did a six-month investigation of facilities that perform late term abortions.

They deployed pregnant women as you mentioned to secretly record their conversations with staffers. Now, the group released one video on Sunday, that was recorded inside this facility in the Bronx. It is called the Doctor Emily Woman's Health Center. A second video came out on Monday from here inside the D.C. based Washington Sergy Clinic.

Now Live Actions' Founder and President, Leila Rose, spoke with her yesterday, she tells us the group will soon release six more videos, perhaps another one this week. Now, at issue, here, Brooke, the 2002 Born Alive Infant Protection Act, it essentially mandates in a baby is born during an abortion attempt, doctors must work to save it.

Now, in the case of Live Action's video shot at that Bronx clinic, the secret investigator asked the staffer what would happen if it appeared the baby was breathing?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It wouldn't be able to.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm not even going to see it?



TRAVIS: Now that solution, the worker is talking about, is used to describe abortion specimens. Now a second worker separately explained to the secret investigator at that clinic that they would follow the law and try to save the baby if it is born alive. In the secret video from the Washington, D.C. abortion clinic, the doctor explains that a baby never survived an abortion at its clinic, but then is asked what if it did?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Technically, you know, legally we would be obligated to help it, you know, to survive. But, you know, it probably wouldn't. It is all in how vigorously you do things to help a fetus survive at this point. Obviously, you're here for a certain procedure. And if your pregnancy were -- you went into labor, the membrane ruptured and you delivered before we got to the termination part of the procedure here, you know, we would do things, we would not help it.


TRAVIS: We would not help it. Live Action claims that kind of talk is illegal, though the law does not explicitly say simply talking about withholding help is illegal for both clinics. Live Action urges investigations by health officials and law enforcement. We reached out to those various agencies, but we not yet received responses.

Meanwhile, we've also reached out to the clinics. We received a repeated no comment from the person, from a person at the Dr. Emily Woman's Health Center who once hung up the phone on us and at the D.C. facility -- excuse me, the facility director of the Bronx facility, she did speak with the "Washington Post," her name is Marjana Banzo.

I just want to read to you what she said to the "Washington Post," quote, "If my staff member or somebody had mentioned something like that, it was something they didn't understand." We separately spoke with the lawyer for the Washington Sergy Clinic. He sent us this - statement.

Quote, "It is one thing for people to disagree with social policy and laws implementing them, like those governing the termination of pregnancies and the District of Columbia, it is quite another for an organization secretly to tape record what was thought to be a private exchange between a physician and his patient and then to publish excerpts of that recording with commentary placing that physician in a false and defaming light."

Brooke, the lawyer added, quote, "Dr. Santangelo practices medicine in full compliance with the laws, controlling in the District of Columbia." We should just note one last thing, Brooke, we should stress we have not heard any, from any authorities that any of these clinics broke the law and that these tapes do not show anyone doing anything illegally.

Also, Live Action is under some fire itself, they have a history of controversial undercover videos that are selectively edited. Others have focused on sex selection abortion -- Brooke.

BALDWIN: Shannon, just quickly to be crystal clear, do we know if this doctor is still practicing at this particular clinic.

TRAVIS: Yes, from what we understand, from his lawyer, he is still practicing. The lawyer tells us that he is not a political figure and didn't mean to be embroiled in what is quickly becoming a political bit of a political controversy.

BALDWIN: OK, Shannon Travis for us in Washington. Shannon, thank you.

TAPPER: Actress Catherine Zeta-Jones is back in treatment reportedly for her bipolar disorder. Up next, Dr. Drew Pinsky will join us live with more on what happens inside treatment facilities such as these.


BALDWIN: Actress Catherine Zeta-Jones checked herself into what her publicist is calling a health care facility apparently for treatment of bipolar two disorder. Zeta-Jones revealed that she had been diagnosed with this. She has been treated for the condition, which is characterized by dramatic mood swings.

TAPPER: According to her publicist, quote, "Catherine has said that she is committed to periodic care in order to manage her health in an optimum manner."

BALDWIN: Let's talk about it with Dr. Drew Pinsky. He is host of "Dr. Drew On Call," which you can check out Monday through Wednesday 9:00 p.m. Eastern on HLN. So Dr. Drew, when I read about this, the fact she's being sent to a facility, is that fairly common for someone who has bipolar two disorder and what sort of treatment would one receive? DR. DREW PINSKY, HOST, HLN'S "DR. DREW ON CALL": Absolutely. Listen, Catherine Zeta-Jones needs to be commended for the manner in which she has reported her bipolar disorder. This is one of the most common psychiatric conditions. It is a medical order. It has a medical treatment. It a chronic illness, very much like diabetes or asthma, and it requires frequent tune-ups, adjustments in medication and sometimes hospitalization.

She's been very matter of fact about it and that is precisely the way to deal with this illness. It is not a headline that she needs to be in a hospital to have her medication adjusted, which is really often the main focus of bipolar disorder, getting the medication right.

Obviously there can be group therapy and individual therapy as well. Just to look at the overall psychological function of the individual. But primarily this is a medical disorder, with a medical management and a matter of fact, she's done a lot to reduce stigma by addressing it and being -- having this kind of attitude about this disorder.

TAPPER: Dr. Drew, Jake Tapper here, how is bipolar two disorder different from other similar disorders including bipolar one disorder?

PINSKY: Well, they're differentiated by how severe the manias are. Some people become hypomanic, meaning they become hyperverbal and it is an easy thing to identify. We have seen people on TV have meltdowns and become manic and seemed to have derailed thoughts and disconnected thinking and very -- don't need much sleep and very expansive.

But that can flip into a full blown manic episode where people are disconnected from reality, can throw off their clothing, can think there is somebody other than what they are and that's a more serious condition. But the fact is both are medically managed.

The only thing I have concerns about as it pertains to Catherine Zeta- Jones is tiptoeing around the idea of this being called a health care facility, probably psychiatric hospital and that's what treats these conditions. That's where they need to go, no stigma attached to that.

We have a sort of common understanding of rehab these days and that's sort of a whitewash of God knows what people are talking about when they say rehab. Now we are having another level, which is some sort of health care facility. Just probably, probably a psychiatric hospital, where you get psychiatric management and she'll be fine and she may need it again someday, but it is nothing to be ashamed of.

BALDWIN: You say you commend her. Other people may be going through similar things such as Catherine Zeta-Jones. But you know, when you talk, though, Drew, about mania, what triggers that? What triggers either the mania or the depression?

PINSKY: Well, it can be different for different cases. Some people are very delicate and brittle and something as simple as a change in their sleep pattern or change in their diet can trigger one of these things. Other people, maybe it is a substance, maybe it is a major stress in their life, maybe it is something difficult for us to identify at all.

It is different for different people and some are more brittle than others. But all, again, the disorder is about wild fluctuations of mood and that is a biological process that is ongoing and chronic. So it may just be that it is time for medication adjustment, something as simple as that.

BALDWIN: Dr. Drew Pinsky, thank you very much for joining us. And, again, watch Dr. Drew tonight on his show, "Dr. Drew On Call," 9:00 p.m. Eastern on our sister network, HLN.

TAPPER: And right now I want to go to a live press conference at Brigham and Women's Hospital where a patient, one of the hundreds of victims of the Boston marathon terrorist attack is speaking to the press. He's someone who suffered from shrapnel wounds and burns. I believe his name is Jarrod Clowery. He is speaking right now. Let's take a listen.

JARROD CLOWERY, BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING SURVIVOR: -- thanks, everybody, for coming today. Is this good enough? Can everybody hear me? I want to share my experience, more towards the side of goodness in the experience instead of the tragedy. And also talk with you about all the people that make Boston, like, so strong, as they're saying now, Boston strong.

First, I'll tell you about the experience itself. I was with a group of my friends in front of the bar, "The Forum," when the first, you know, when first explosion went off. It was down to our left.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can we have the photo, thank you.

CLOWERY: Yes, thank you. You can see me, I'm on the right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is Jarrod here.

CLOWERY: So if I'm facing the street, the first explosion would be down on our left. And when the first explosion goes off, my friend said what the -- like, you know, and we look down and see the smoke and I know right away in my gut that it is not a gas leak, you just get that feeling.

And I feel the crowd coming down towards us a little bit on the sidewalk and I just see the open space on the street. So I know -- I know that's where you go, you know, to get to the street. I tell all my friends, like, let's go get in the street and this is really over the last couple of weeks where my mind has been, because I've had this picture in my room every day.

I got to the railing and I put both my hands on the railing right about where that white sign is on the railing, and, you know, like how you hop a fence, I got my right foot up and got my left foot up and I'm pretty nimble guy, so I stop for just a split second to tell the young lady here, Jackie, who is my friend's girlfriend, Jackie, get your butt in -- boom.

And I just remember feeling engulfed, like, thrown out into the street, and just like the movies, all the sound got taken away and, you know, something inside me said get up, get up. You're OK, get up. So I stood up and I was pretty lucid and I remember, like, trying to count my fingers and on my feet and I'm standing and thinking about, like, these kind of things I've learned about over the years.

And I look at my hand and it was too much to look at, so I tuck it in, and I feel my legs, I look down and I -- I didn't want to look at those anymore. So I just knew to get to the middle of the road, and that's -- you know, that's when a couple of off duty state police got to me, you know, and I said, help me, help me, and there they are.

Jeff Manino and Karen Morehead, I don't need to look at my notes. You know, I'm standing up and I tell him, take a look at me. I don't know what's happening around my back or anything like this. So he looks at me and says you're going to be OK. And I tell him, you tell anybody that, you know?

And he said, yes, believe me when I tell you, there is worse out here than you. And that's when I remembered my friends and I said, my God, my friends, my friends are all dead. This is what I thought.

And those two, those two right there, they managed to sit me down and they managed to -- they managed to -- they managed to get me in the ambulance. They stayed with me until I got in the ambulance, and that's when I think was the beginning of the real -- it turns out that all three of my friends -- all my friends sustained injuries, three of my friends lost -- but, you know, I feel -- I feel -- when got to the emergency -- I'm in pain.

But I'm watching all these -- people. Doctors and there is -- her name was Shannon, Michelle, endless names. And I try to remember them all, but I can't. You know, and they're keeping me -- they're keeping me -- and I haven't got any pain medication yet, you know, and I'm just burning, keeping my legs up.

So I started watching everybody. Moving seamlessly, they know what each other is thinking, and the emergency room is chaos. But -- and that's when I said in my head, well, this is what I said, too, I never seen in all the years in New England Tom Brady put a drive together that was as good as this, what these people were doing.

It was amazing to me. So I just started really understanding what these people do and the doctors and the nurses and everything and since then, I've been -- I'm blessed. My surgeon, he just -- every nurse taking care of me, the emergency department, the, you know, Karen and Jeff and who promised me in all this a beer at a Patriots game, by the way, so I'm going to hold him to this.

And, you know, my friends are in much worse shape, and they're upbeat and positive. I was actually mentally not as positive as they were when I finally got to talk to them. And I just want, you know, everybody I'm talking about here, truly the real -- is these guys, because we're victims and all the victims of --

BALDWIN: We wanted to -- we were hanging on to his every word. That was Jarrod Clowery speaking at Brigham and Women's Hospital here in Boston. Just wanted to hear one of so many heroic accounts of these survivors who had been injured, some of whom have lost limbs, he was hit tremendously by shrapnel, but the stories, as we heard him comparing it to the Tom Brady drive, the staff, the doctors, the nurses, thanking them for everything they did in the chaos.

TAPPER: And actually while that was going on there was a woman was a victim of the terrorist attacks in a wheelchair who went through the makeshift memorial behind us. Paid her respects and then wheeled off. Just literally hundreds of these victims, more and more of them being discharged from hospitals and wanting to get on with their lives, wanting to rebuild their lives as much as they can.

It is a testament. We talked about this many times over the last couple of weeks. Truly a testament to the unbelievable medical work done by both the first responders here, who in their makeshift tent, they're there for the marathon, at that moment, compromised the biggest emergency room in Boston.

And then the medical staff and all the hospitals around here that with the exception of Tamerlan Tsarnaev, there was not one person involved in these terrorist attacks who came to the emergency rooms alive and did not stay alive. All victims were kept alive, amazing display of excellence, of preparedness, and really --

BALDWIN: Moving, quick thinking.

TAPPER: And courage themselves. A lot of them have gone through emotional and psychological trauma themselves in the subsequent weeks.

BALDWIN: This is Boston. He had the hat on. Boston strong, showing it each and every day here. We will be back right after this quick break.


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