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Top Five Reasons Viewers are Obsessed with Jodi Arias Case; Interview with Joan Rivers; SHOWBIZ top 3 Reality TV Villains Countdown

Aired February 28, 2013 - 23:00:00   ET




JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: How about when you cut his throat, were you crying then?

ARIAS: I don`t know.

MARTINEZ: You`re the one that did this, right?



A.J. HAMMER, HOST: Tonight on the "SHOWBIZ Countdown," "Sex, Lies, and Audiotape." It is the most explosive murder trial on TV right now. Jodi Arias on trial for her life, accused of murdering her boyfriend. But why are people so obsessed with this case? We`re counting down the top five reasons.

SHOWBIZ TONIGHT begins right now.

Hello, I`m A.J. Hammer. Thank you for watching.

We begin with our first big showdown of the night, "Sex, Lies, and Audiotape."


MARTINEZ: Did you perform -- excuse me, did you perform oral sex upon him at that time?



HAMMER: That was actually one of the tamer moments of the Jodi Arias murder trial in Phoenix.

Arias` live testimony has been seen every day right here on HLN. And as we`ve watched her try to explain why she killed her ex-boyfriend, Travis Alexander, after having sex with him and after taking nude photos together, she then nearly stabbed him nearly 30 times, slit his throat, and shot him in the head. And she`s claiming self-defense.

Tonight in the "SHOWBIZ Countdown," we`re counting down the top five reasons the nation has just become obsessed with the Jodi Arias trial.

With us tonight, Dr. Drew Pinsky, host of course, of "Dr. Drew on Call," seen weeknights, 9 p.m. Eastern here on HLN. And Jane Velez-Mitchell host of "JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL" right here on HLN, weeknights at 7 p.m. Eastern.

Drew and Jane, we`re going to kick off our countdown right now with No. 5. It is the obsession with the outrageously graphic sex testimony like just what we were seeing this afternoon, live right here on HLN.


MARTINEZ: Took everything and put it down at the car, correct?

ARIAS: That makes sense.

MARTINEZ: When you say "that makes sense," although it makes sense, I`m asking you if that`s what happened?

ARIAS: It would have been after 2, because around -- before 2, we were having sex.


ARIAS: Before 2, we were otherwise engaged.

MARTINEZ: The intimacy that you had after that, it was not the situation that was unwanted by you, correct?

ARIAS: That`s correct.

MARTINEZ: It was something that you participated in willingly, correct?

Do you remember that you told us that he was engaging in performing oral sex on you. Do you remember that?



HAMMER: Sex, sex, sex. Jane, is it testimony just like that, which we saw today, that is really fueling this obsession with the Jodi Arias trial?

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN ANCHOR: Absolutely. Who needs "Fifty Shades of Gray" when you`ve got this case? And it is drenched in sex. And the most interesting kind of sex: taboo sex, S&M sex. So we`re hearing about spankings, and oral sex, and anal sex, and this and that. Things that normally cause us to blush.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: But people secretly are fascinated by it, and they want to live vicariously, in a sense, through this very, very dysfunctional couple. Obviously, they don`t want the same tragedy to occur, but they are fascinated with this kind of sex. And you know, the more taboo sex is, the more people are fascinated by it.

HAMMER: Yes, Dr. Drew, are you agreeing with this? I mean, we are fascinated...


HAMMER: ... with sex as a society. This has to be a big reason for the obsession.

PINSKY: Well, of course. Well, as human beings, not just as society. But I do agree with Jane.

And remember, Jane, they also got to throw in the religious garb in there, too.


PINSKY: Because they were clothed in sacred garb when they did some of their things.

And I think the general note is you`ll find in all five of these countdowns is "Huh? Like, what? Are we really listening to this? You`ve got to be kidding." That`s the general note for this entire trial.

HAMMER: Well, let`s move on to a bit more of the countdown. Because the trial sometimes does seem to be playing out like the plot for, I don`t know, an X-rated movie. Like Jodi talking on the stand about her boyfriend`s sex fantasies. Let`s watch that.


ARIAS: He had a list of fantasies that he wanted to fulfill. And so he wanted to drive up to the home. He wanted to get out of the car, have me come out of the house. Give him oral sex, and he wanted to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) face and then get back in his car and drive away without saying a single word.


HAMMER: Yes. I mean, Jane, what`s remarkable about that is that testimony, it`s not abnormal in this trial. It is the norm. It`s this running theme that seems to be fueling the obsession.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And again, that`s why people are so fascinated. They are talking about S&M sex. They are talking about role playing. They are talking about dominance and submission. They are talking about sexual degradation.

But the twist is that she was into it. And there are e-mails and there are texts, and there`s voice, phone recordings that show that she`s into it.

So people wonder, "Well, if you`re being degraded, why are you into it?" The simple answer is pleasure. And that is the sort of taboo fact that nobody wants to deal with in this country, is that this kind of sex is so much more common than anybody wants to admit or discuss.

HAMMER: Well, while there is a whole lot of sex talk, there is also a whole lot of talk of violence. And really disturbing part of the trial. Takes us to No. 4 on our "SHOWBIZ Countdown" of reasons we`ve just become obsessed with the Jodi Arias trial.

The graphic description of the way Jodi killed her boyfriend. So just this afternoon we saw what may have been the single most dramatic moment in the trial. The prosecutor showing Jodi a photo of what her boyfriend looked like after she stabbed him 27 times, slit his throat, and shot him. Jodi breaks down crying, and then the prosecutor goes off on her. Watch this.


MARTINEZ: Were you crying when you were shooting him?

ARIAS: I don`t remember.

MARTINEZ: Were you crying when you were stabbing him?

ARIAS: I don`t remember.

MARTINEZ: How about when you cut his throat, were you crying then?

ARIAS: I don`t know.

MARTINEZ: So take a look then. And you`re the one that did this, right?


MARTINEZ: And you`re the same individual that lied about all this, right?


MARTINEZ: So then take a look at it.


HAMMER: OK. Dr. Drew, there is an extremely ghoulish element to this trial. That has to be fueling even more of the obsession, I imagine.

PINSKY: Yes. The -- the slaughter quality of this. I`ve been wanting people to see the autopsy specimens. I showed a little bit last night. Because when you see the sheer brutality of what she actually did, you just think, "Oh, come on now. Come on. This is ridiculous."

This woman did this and admits to it, it`s -- do we need to say anything else? And so they`re starting to see how she responds to those same images that the rest of us are so disgusted by.

HAMMER: And it`s ghoulish to watch. Yet, you see her crying on the stand. And I have to believe there are people who find themselves at odds with their feelings because they might be sympathetic toward her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, 90 percent of communication is nonverbal. And she has been on the stand day after day after day. This is day 13 on the stand.

And let`s face it: you form a connection with somebody whether you want to or not subconsciously. So the question is, could this be somebody in the jury who empathizes with her? Not necessarily consciously. But subconsciously, could there be some kind of connection that she`s making with these jurors. I think that`s why she believes and her friend told us this on our show last night, that she is not going to be put to death.

HAMMER: Well, we have more to get to on our countdown.

No. 3 is next. The reasons that the nation is obsessed with the trial is what we`re counting down. Jodi Arias` sex appeal is on our countdown. And we`ve been seeing that in testimony like this.


ARIAS: He also wanted to have sex on the freeway while driving, which we did.


HAMMER: OK. Dr. Drew, with all of her testimony of wild, kinky sex, we`ve got to think that there are some people, maybe a whole lot of people out there, that find it, you know, appealing.

PINSKY: I got to tell you that, at first, there was some form of -- there might have been that sort of thing, A.J. But as we`ve gone along here, what I have found is the men have become increasingly disgusted and weirded out.

The more that women go, "Oh, look how flirtatious she is, look how sexual she is," the men go, "Are you kidding me? We want to crawl inside our own shell to get away from this woman."

The longer she stays on the stand, the more she`s alienating men. And it is particularly around the issue of sex, which many men are saying they see her as controlling -- like a black widow. Like men are actually scrolling through their history in their own mind. Could I ever have been sucked into something as horrific as this? Get me out of here.

HAMMER: Is that what you`re see, Jane? Is that how you`re feeling about it? As the trial has progressed, the longer she`s on the stand, people are backing off?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Look, I`m repulsed by all of it...

PINSKY: Men. Men are, not women.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I think that women may be repulsed, as well. Because women are harder on other women than anybody else, that men quite often -- and I find that the reactions, as I sample people from women are the most vociferous, and they`re the most outraged by her.

PINSKY: They also are that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Then again, could she be articulating some unarticulated rage on the part of at least one woman on that jury...

PINSKY: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... who may have had a very bad sexual experience where she felt sexually degraded and on some level, she identifies with her and wants her revenge through this trial? Who knows? You know, after Casey Anthony, I do not dare to make any predictions.

HAMMER: Well, we will get to just that in just a moment. You bring up a really good point, Jane. We have our top two reasons yet to be unraveled why people are so obsessed with the Jodi Arias trial. So Drew, Jane, stay right where you are. We`re going to get to our big reveal in our "SHOWBIZ Countdown" in just a moment.

Now, a lot of people already think that Jodi Arias is already this year`s biggest villain. But what about all those way less serious villains that we love to hate? You know, on reality TV like this one...


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You got two weeks to work on this routine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They haven`t really worked on it for two weeks, Abby. They...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know! That`s my point! They don`t self-motivate themselves!


HAMMER: They don`t self-motivate themselves. Get ready for it. I am firing up another amazing "SHOWBIZ Countdown" tonight. We`ve got reality TV`s top three villains.

There is no question that "Dance Moms`" Abby Lee Miller is downright abusive. But is it bad enough to beat out "Real Housewives of Atlanta" diva Kenya Moore? Abby versus Kenya.

And there`s also brand-new outrage tonight over Seth MacFarlane`s "We Saw Your Boobs" song at the Oscars.


SETH MACFARLANE, OSCAR HOST (singing): Meryl Streep, we saw your boobs in "Silkwood." Naomi Watts in "Mulholland Drive." Angelina Jolie, we saw your boobs in "Gia." They made us feel excited and alive. Anne Hathaway we saw your boobs in "Brokeback Mountain." Halle Berry, we saw them in "Monster`s Ball."


HAMMER: Well, Jane Velez-Mitchell`s sitting here laughing her butt off, but tonight, I have Lena Dunham`s shocking comments about Seth`s Oscars song and dance number. And get this: the legendary Joan Rivers is right here tonight. She`ll tell us what she thinks of the "booby trap" and why she is slamming Anne Hathaway.



HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. And in the "SHOWBIZ Countdown," we`re counting down the top five reasons the nation has just become obsessed with the sex-fueled Jodi Arias murder trial.

She, of course, is the woman who claims that she stabbed her boyfriend, Travis Alexander, 27 times, slit his throat, and shot him in the head in self-defense.

And we are down to the No. 2 reason for the obsession. All of those recordings played in court of Jodi and her boyfriend talking about sex.


ARIAS (via phone): Remember the first time that you and I grinded at Ehrenberg. And I ended up just (EXPLETIVE DELETED). And you were like, "Whoa, I (EXPLETIVE DELETED)," and I looked around. And there was just like (EXPLETIVE DELETED) all over. It was so hot.


HAMMER: Wow. Jodi and Travis loved to talk about their sexual exploits on the phone. And we`ve been hearing them right here on HLN during our nonstop daily live coverage of the trial.

Back with us now, Dr. Drew Pinsky, host of "DR. DREW ON CALL," weeknights at 9 p.m. here on HLN. And Jane Velez-Mitchell, host of "JANE VELEZ- MITCHELL" right here on HLN, weeknights at 7 p.m. Eastern.

So Jodi and Travis were really big on the dirty talk, with steamy conversations like this.


TRAVIS ALEXANDER, MURDER VICTIM (via phone): You cannot say I don`t work that booty.

ARIAS: Oh, never mind. You do know how to work the booty.

ALEXANDER: Your butt has gotten more attention than any woman on the face of the earth.

ARIAS: Well, it kind of screams for attention. It sticks out.

ALEXANDER: I love that butt. If they -- if they had (EXPLETIVE DELETED) of the planet award, it would win.

ARIAS: Aww. I don`t know about that, but thank you.


HAMMER: So Jane, are we obsessed because of the voyeuristic nature of listening to something like this, or is it kind of the almost absurdity of listening to something like this?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think one of the reasons we`re obsessed is that she is now trying to take what was a consensual relationship, where she got off on this kind of kinky sex, and now saying, "Oh, it makes me an abused and battered woman. And I had to kill him in self-defense."

So basically, she`s completely changing the storyline which, A, outrages women who have truly been battered and, B, takes what is a consensual sort of play in the bedroom, which can under certain circumstances be very healthy, so that people can work out their guilt and neuroses, and turn it into something demonic and degrading and evil, which it is not inherently.

HAMMER: See, that sounds all very scientific to me, Jane, but Drew, I don`t know if you agree with me. Because I think a lot of people are tuning in just to hear those phone calls.

PINSKY: They are, but it`s -- there`s another layer to it, which is disbelief. It`s like you cannot believe this is the same woman that slaughtered this man. You can`t look away. You can`t stop listening, because you`re trying to make sense of it.


PINSKY: And it`s the general note in this thing, is how could that relationship have ended where it did? I can`t make sense of -- how could she lie like this? How could they be so explicit? How could the judge allow this to go on? We`re just all sitting here in disbelief with our mouths open.

HAMMER: Well, as you said at the beginning of our conversation, a lot of this has to do with -- what, what? I can`t believe this is happening.

PINSKY: Right.

HAMMER: But steamy sex talk aside, the No. 1 reason on the "SHOWBIZ Countdown" why people are so obsessed with the Jodi Arias trial is it could go either way. As Jane pointed out earlier, after what happened with Casey Anthony going free, a lot of people not willing to bet on how this trial will end. That has to be fueling a big part of the obsession.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and that`s why on my show, we debated pro- prosecution, pro-defense, because we don`t want our viewers to be blind- sided. And that`s why I always raise the possibility that somebody on the jury might be feeling empathy with her, because we have seen it with the Michael Jackson child molestation trial, with O.J. Simpson, with Casey Anthony. They walk.

HAMMER: It will be so interesting to see what happens. And people will continue to be obsessively tuned in to your show, to your show, Drew. Thank you both for being here.

Make sure you catch "DR. DREW ON CALL" weeknights, 9 p.m., and Jane Velez- Mitchell`s show, 7 p.m. weeknights right here on HLN.

And you must get ready for another fascinating "SHOWBIZ Countdown" tonight as we count down the top three reality TV villains. Will "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" cast member Scott Disick take the top spot tonight?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He just cut his hand really bad.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did you do? Did you just punch it?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let`s get out of here.


HAMMER: Scott makes it hard for anybody to like him. But does he have the edge over "Dance Moms`" nightmare instructor Abby Lee Miller? I reveal the No. 1 villain in our "SHOWBIZ Countdown."

Plus, the pig that saved the goat or did he? The SHOWBIZ truth squad gets to the bottom of this viral video that had everybody scratching their heads.



HAMMER: I mean, how adorable is that, right? Well, it turns out it`s, oh, so fake. More than seven million people have watched that viral video of what seems to be cross-species chivalry, a pig rescuing a goat. And tonight I can tell you, that pig`s a pro. The whole thing was planned.

The video was actually shot as part of a new show for Comedy Central. So how did it end up getting passed off as real by everyone from "TIME" magazine to ABC News?

Well, CNN`s Jeanne Moos is right here for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT with a SHOWBIZ truth squad revelation.


JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is a tale of two rescues. This one`s fake, and this one`s real. A deer, unable to get up on a slippery ice-covered Canadian bay, was rescued by a helicopter`s spinning blades.

IAN WAUGH, PILOT: The wash was so powerful that it actually started to push the deer.

MOOS: Pushed her all the way to shore.

But, oh, dear! The pig pushing a baby goat is a hoax. It was put on YouTube five months ago, picked up by tons of Web sites, tweeted out by everyone from "TIME" magazine to Ellen, and played by networks like FOX, NBC, and ABC.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A little goat is literally drowning in the pond.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Send in the rescue pig!

MOOS: But now, just in time for the premiere of a new Comedy Central show, the prank`s been exposed in a "New York Times" article. Mission...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To create a hero pig by staging a viral video in which he rescues a baby goat.

MOOS: Some were already suspicious. "You can see an arm," noted one Internet sleuth. And sure enough, the host of the Comedy Central show that pulled the hoax revealed divers were involved, as well as a trained, professional pig.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So we decided to build an underwater track out of PVC to guide the big, like a bowling ball going down a bumper lane.

MOOS: At least Brian Williams acknowledged "Nightly News" had run the video.

BRIAN WILLIAMS, NBC NEWS ANCHOR: We`ll just call it Pig-gate.

MOOS: Though at the time, they said they had no way of knowing if it was real.

(on camera): Now with the kind of pieces that I do, barely a day goes by that I don`t worry about being hoaxed.

(voice-over): Though it didn`t take lots of smarts to avoid the "eagle snatching a baby" hoax created by four film students...


MOOS: And then there was the overexcited train guy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my God! Woo! Listen to that!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now there`s excited train guy.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Made a bit of a caboose out of himself.

MOOS: Who`s the caboose now? Turns out this was a promotion for a tourist railway.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That horn gives me the chills.

MOOS: So does this. It`s supposedly security cam video of a naked guy locked out of his hotel room, causing a mom to hide her son`s eyes and being asked for I.D. in the lobby.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How can I have a driver`s license? I`m naked, ma`am.

MOOS (on camera): We call fake! Come on. Who`s going to fall for that?

(voice-over): You know what they say about pigs.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This little piggy went to market.

MOOS: Make that viral marketing.


HAMMER: And that`s what I call keeping it real. That was CNN`s Jeanne Moos for the SHOWBIZ truth squad.

Well, here`s something you always know is 100 percent real. It`s the "SHOWBIZ Countdown." And it`s on fire tonight with the top three reality TV villains.


KENYA MOORE, "REAL HOUSEWIVES OF ATLANTA": Good girls to heaven, and bad girls go everywhere. I`m very outspoken and I don`t back down from a fight.


HAMMER: "Real Housewives of Atlanta`s" Kenya Moore has brought the diva factor to a whole new level. But will she beat out "Dance Moms`" Abby Lee Miller for the top spot in our "SHOWBIZ Countdown"?

Also, Anne Hathaway versus Joan Rivers. Why is Joan Rivers slamming Anne? Joan is right here to reveal what this attack is all about.




MACFARLANE: Meryl Streep, we saw your boobs in "Silkwood." Naomi Watts in "Mulholland Drive." Angelina Jolie, we saw your boobs in "Gia." They made us feel excited and alive.


HAMMER: Right now on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, Seth MacFarlane`s hilarious Oscars song got mixed reviews. But what does comedy legend Joan Rivers think of Seth`s Oscar ballad? Well, Joan knows best. The incomparable Joan Rivers right here to give us her take. And she is revealing what`s behind her attack on Anne Hathaway.


ABBY LEE MILLER, REALITY TV STAR: You got two weeks to work on this routine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They haven`t really worked on it for two weeks, Abby --

MILLER: I know! That`s my point! They don`t self-motivate themselves!


HAMMER: We are counting down the top three reality villains on TV right now. "Dance Moms`" Abby Lee Miller goes up against Kenya Moore, "Real Housewives of Atlanta," but which bad girl will top the list? SHOWBIZ TONIGHT continues right now.

Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, and thank you for watching. I`m A.J. Hammer. Tonight, Joan Rivers knows best. Actually, she knows best all the time. And of course, she`s legendary for cracking jokes about Hollywood`s biggest stars and dressing them down when they`re all dressed up. On her E! show, "Fashion Police," she also gives her own daughter the business on her We TV show with Melissa. Melissa and Joan, "Joan Knows Best," just kicked off its third incredible season. Joan Rivers joining me in New York for a SHOWBIZ newsmaker interview. It`s always great having you here --

JOAN RIVERS, "JOAN KNOWS BEST": Always great to see you, because you work as hard as I work.

HAMMER: Well, maybe even not quite as hard. I`m eager to talk about the next season of your latest show in just a moment.

RIVERS: Right.

HAMMER: But first, we`ve got to talk about some Oscar controversies that have been happening, including a great deal of hate for Anne Hathaway after she won her Oscar for best supporting actress for "Les Mis." And "Girls" creator Lena Dunham, I`m a big fan of hers, she actually came out in support of Anne on Twitter. I want to read this tweet from --

RIVERS: Please read it.

HAMMER: -- Lena Dunham. She said, "ladies, Anne Hathaway is a feminist, and she has amazing teeth. Let`s save our bad attitudes for the ones who aren`t advancing the cause." Joan, what`s going on with all the Anne hate?

RIVERS: I think she is like Rip Van Winkle. She woke up 20 years too late. We`ve won! Relax, you`re showing your breast every damn week on television. What is she talking about -- what cause? All the women now that are doing well in television are amazing. I don`t know what she`s talking about, for the cause.

HAMMER: So you understand why people have been going after Anne Hathaway?


HAMMER: I`m a huge Anne Hathaway fan, and I get she takes herself pretty seriously, but I love her.

RIVERS: She`s a brilliant actress, let`s start with that. Brilliant. Just watch her in "Rachel Getting Married." I`m -- but she is so stupidly - - I`m an actor!

HAMMER: That annoys you?

RIVERS: She said something -- I`m going to have a delicious plate of vanilla vegan ice cream. You want to vomit right there.


RIVERS: Do you know what I mean? It`s just calm down. Calm down, you`re a pretty girl, and you`re lucky. I just picked this dress up. She had four dresses lying on her bed for a month, along with her pool boy Jose. I mean, you know, come on!

HAMMER: But you loved the dress she wore on Oscar night.

RIVERS: Oh, pretty.


HAMMER: Yes. I didn`t think it was.

RIVERS: It was an ugly dress.

HAMMER: Anyway, Lena tweeted out in defense of Anne, so after Lena does that -- and you know this from being on Twitter -- the Lena gets all this hate. Here`s how she responded to all the hate that Lena got. She said, "hey, ragers, the ones who aren`t advancing the cause I mentioned aren`t always or always women. Case in point, I saw your boobs." Now, Lena there referring to Oscar host Seth MacFarlane`s skit in his opening monologue, and I`m dying to watch a bit of that with you.

RIVERS: OK, with pleasure.


SETH MACFARLANE, OSCAR HOST (singing): We saw your boobs in the movie that we saw, we saw your boobs. Kristen Stewart, we saw your boobs in "On the Road," and in "Monster," we saw Charlize Theron`s. Helen Hunt, we saw them in "The Sessions." And Scarlett Johansson, we saw them on our phone.

Jessica Chastain, we saw your boobs in "Lawless."


HAMMER: It`s fun just sitting there with you, watching. Your laugh is (inaudible).


HAMMER: You clearly weren`t offended by that.

RIVERS: Oh, for God`s sakes, just don`t show your boobs. I am actress so you`ve got to see my breasts! You know where to show your breasts? Don`t show your breasts. You`ve shown your breasts, calm down, we`ve seen them.

HAMMER: What about the idea of Seth doing that skit for the opening of the Oscars?

RIVERS: I thought it was hilarious.

HAMMER: Now, is Lena Dunham perhaps being a little hypocritical? Because she`s naked -- I love "Girls," one of my favorite shows on TV. She`s naked all the time.

RIVERS: Yes, but she`s also tattooed. So I don`t look at her breasts, I`m always reading.


RIVERS: Spend my whole day -- what, what, what -- Lena is a -- again, very funny, lucky girl. Let` see, stop criticizing Seth MacFarlane, who has had 20 years of success. Lena, you`ve had one year so far. When you`ve done 20, then you discuss what Seth MacFarlane has done wrong. I find this outrageous. Outrageous.

HAMMER: All right.

RIVERS: And her breast -- you know when a fat girl gets lucky and she wants the world to see her breast -- enough, Lena. We`ve seen them. Not so wonderful. Perfectly nice, but not so [EXPLETIVE DELETED] wonderful.


HAMMER: Excuse me, we`ll figure out what to do with that.

RIVERS: You can do it.

HAMMER: OK. Let me move on --

RIVERS: Especially the right (ph). Go ahead.

HAMMER: Something that I really enjoyed. Have you had a chance to see what Jack Nicholson did?

RIVERS: I loved that.

HAMMER: OK, this is terrific. We`re going to play it right now. Jack, who of course is 75 years old. He crashed 22-year-old Jennifer Lawrence`s interview with "Good Morning America" after she won best actress for "Silver Linings Playbook." Let`s watch it together, I can`t get enough of it.

RIVERS: So sweet.


JACK NICHOLSON, ACTOR: Enjoy the night. I loved you in the movie. It was great.

JENNIFER LAWRENCE, ACTRESS: Thank you, I loved all your movies.

NICHOLSON: You look like an old girlfriend of mine.

LAWRENCE: Oh, really? Do I look like a new girlfriend?

NICHOLSON: I thought about it.

LAWRENCE: Oh, my God.

Is he still here?

NICHOLSON: I`ll be waiting.

LAWRENCE: Oh, my God! I need a rearview mirror.


HAMMER: Can you imagine what was going on in her mind--

RIVERS: That`s adorable.

HAMMER: Now, he again, he`s 75. She`s 22. Could he even keep up, or do you think he has a shot?

RIVERS: You know, with Viagra and Cialis, I don`t know. But it`s like -- it`s so cute. It`s like having your great grandfather hit on you. I mean, it`s sweet. So -- he farts, dust comes out. I mean, Jack, come sit in the shade with me. But I thought -- I loved her reaction. She was so excited. I thought it was adorable.

HAMMER: It was pure and so, so genuine.


HAMMER: You just kicked off season three of your WE TV show.

RIVERS: "Joan and Melissa."

HAMMER: "Joan Knows Best."

RIVERS: Saturday nights on We. Have to say that.

HAMMER: Now, I want to watch a bit of the show where you are presenting your idea of launching an Internet talk show to your lovely daughter. Let`s look at this.

RIVERS: Yes, yes.


RIVERS: Let me just say something, this is the future. All my life I`ve been at the mercy of networks, of bosses, being told what to say, what you can`t say. It`s [EXPLETIVE DELETED] stupid!

MELISSA RIVERS: You know they just bleeped that.

RIVERS: [EXPLETIVE DELETED], I just got bleeped. And that`s why we`re going to the Internet. If this was the Internet, I [EXPLETIVE DELETED] wouldn`t be [EXPLETIVE DELETED] bleeped out of the [EXPLETIVE DELETED] Internet.


HAMMER: All right, I have to say, your daughter`s face is just priceless there. Did it -- does she think you`re nuts?

RIVERS: Yes. But she`s used to it. She -- she also knows that I`m funny, you know. She gets the funny of it. But I`m also a mother and I`m a grandmother.

HAMMER: You`re a grandma, too. I imagine you have great advice for her raising her son.

RIVERS: Cooper. Yes, she wants to teach him right from wrong. Look who she`s asking. The first time I met Stevie Wonder, I shortchanged him. You know? So my values are different. But it`s just wonderful working with her. And I think she`s a great mother. Much better than I am or was.

HAMMER: And she is a lovely person. I`ve actually had the opportunity to know her for years now. I always thought she was terrific. And she should pay attention to your advice.

RIVERS: She should. I`ve given her great advice over the years. First, you meet a man, you don`t go back to his apartment and get into bed with him. You do it in the car.


HAMMER: Wouldn`t she think that something was wrong if suddenly you decided you didn`t want the cameras around anymore?

RIVERS: I wouldn`t know what to do if I didn`t have a place to work. You know, I`ve been working with 56 -- God, yes, I started even before college, 56 years I`ve been in this business. I wouldn`t know what to do if they said to me it`s over, go sit and relax. And do what?

HAMMER: What else would you do. Well, we`re also glad you keep on doing that.

RIVERS: I`m so happy to see you.

HAMMER: It`s always great having you here, Joan.

RIVERS: Didn`t mean to swear.

HAMMER: We have technology to take care of that.

RIVERS: Internet, Internet.

HAMMER: Be sure to watch Joan on E!`s "Fashion Police" of course, and on "Joan and Melissa: Joan Knows Best," it`s on We TV Saturday nights. Great seeing you.

Well, everybody loves Joan, of course, but there are some reality stars that we loathe -- in a good way, of course. Tonight the SHOWBIZ countdown. We`re counting down the top 3 reality TV villains. "Dance Moms`" Abby Lee Miller, known for her less than pleasing personality.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You got two weeks to work on this routine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They haven`t really worked on it for two weeks, Abby --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know! That`s my point! They don`t self-motivate themselves!


HAMMER: But is Abby a match for "Real Housewives of Atlanta" diva Kenya More or Scott Disick? Kourney`s bad boy boyfriend from "Keeping up With the Kardashians." Scott of course is known for partying hard and trashing hotel rooms. But which reality villain will take the top spot in the SHOWBIZ countdown?

From TV villains to perhaps the cutest babies ever. Do you know what kind of animals these are? Well, we`re going to reveal the answer in tonight`s moment of SHOWBIZ awesomeness. This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.





HAMMER: "Real Housewives of Atlanta" star Kenya Moore really showed co- star Phaedra Parks after they traded barbs over what was supposed to be the name of their fitness DVD. Their big battle -- is a donkey booty better than a stallion booty? Well, Kenya made her point the best way she could. Welcome back. Tonight, the SHOWBIZ countdown, top three villains on reality TV right now. There are so many outrageous reality TV stars who stake their claim to fame on being bad. And we`re taking you through the baddest of them all right now.

Kicking things off at No. 3 on our countdown, "Real Housewives of Atlanta" star and former Miss USA, Kenya Moore. Kenya first caused a scene after fellow housewife Portia Stewart got her pageant title wrong while introducing her at a charity event. Ever since then, in battle after battle, Kenya has cemented her place as one of today`s big reality TV villains. So what does she think about that title? Watch what she told Carlos Diaz for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.


KENYA MOORE, REAL HOUSEWIVES OF ATLANTA: I always say this -- good girls go to heaven and bad girls go everywhere. So if you want to -- if you want to label me a villain, I`ll take it. But I don`t think I am. I think that in any show, you have a protagonist and an antagonist. It`s just sort of the natural flow of things on a reality show.

CARLOS DIAZ, CNN ANCHOR: Do you think the other women on this show are just jealous of you?

MOORE: I think it could be a possibility. I`m just like that wildcard or a box of chocolate, you never know what you`re going to get.

DIAZ: From a guy`s standpoint, we just love to hear that, by the way. Show me your crazy side, all right, great.

MOORE: Right. I think everybody has a little crazy in them. But as long as it`s in a controlled environment and you don`t have any illegal guns or anything to pull out --

DIAZ: Yes --

MOORE: -- it can work.

DIAZ: All the girls I`ve dated, none of them have been crazy. All right, also, got to hand it to you --

MOORE: Sure.

DIAZ: You definitely know how to make quite an entrance. Look at this entrance!


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How you doing, girl?

Hey, is that your bathing suit?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know, child.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What has she got on?

NENE LEAKES: This is a charity event. I mean, some of the guests can`t believe that a woman had walked in the event with her ass cheeks out. This one (ph) done lost it.


DIAZ: Look at your co-star, NeNe Leakes` face.

MOORE: I love NeNe, I cracked up when I saw this. She`s so funny.

DIAZ: OK, so dish about some of the secrets about the set. I mean, do you really all just get along? And is all the drama all show for the cameras, or is there some catfighting in there?

MOORE: Well, there is obviously some cat fighting in there. And certainly when you have these many women who all have very strong personalities and point of views, you`re going to have some conflict. And I think that`s what makes our show interesting is that there is conflict.

And you know, that scene where I walk in with the butt pads, you know, this whole controversy that we had because I was supposed to produce a workout video with Phaedra called "Dunky Booty." And I decided to do my own. And what ensued was a bunch of rumors that I was bipolar, I had a drinking problem, I was fake -- just so many crazy things. So I wanted to let her have it in my way, to get my point across. Because I wanted to show her how ridiculous that she looks. I was basically imitating her.

DIAZ: I`m sorry, I didn`t listen to a thing you said. I was watching the video the entire time.



HAMMER: We must move now from a bad girl to a bad boy. In at No. 2 on the SHOWBIZ countdown of the top villains on reality TV right now, it is "Keeping Up With the Kardashians," bad boy Scott Disick. Who else could embarrass the entire Kardashian clan like Scott did? Watch.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do appreciate it --


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don`t talk to me like that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Excuse me, I`m not talking to you anyway --




HAMMER: Classy. Let me bring in Nicole Lapin, who is a journalist and founder of Nicole, I think Scott actually enjoys playing the villain, because, you know, at the end of the day, he knows it`s going to get him noticed, don`t you think that`s why he plays it up so much?

NICOLE LAPIN, RECESSIONISTA.COM: And you know, I`m the money lady around these parts, A.J. The root of all TV villains is money. And we have seen some of his business flops with his restaurant in the Meat Packing District here in New York City flopping. He`s supposed to open something else. I think the Kardashian clan has just had enough of him.

HAMMER: Yes, I think they may have, yet for some reason people keep tuning in to see him. Let me bring in Gary Owen, and Gary hosts a very funny show, "Upload with Shaquille O`Neal." It`s on TruTV. Gary is also performing at the theater at the Madison Square Garden in New York City on March 1st. That`s going to be a fun show.

So Gary, there have been so many episodes filled with Scott`s bad behavior. It does seem to me when you watch, though, Scott wears his villain cape like a badge of honor, doesn`t he?

GARY OWEN, HOST, "UPLOAD": Yes, but he`s not real threatening. If he was in the `80s, he`d be in the Cobra Kai (ph) going after Daniel-san. He wouldn`t be Johnny, he would be one of the backup Cobra Kai guys. He`s harmless at the end of the day.

HAMMER: All right. Nicole, from a woman`s standpoint, is that part of the reason we kind of let him get away with it, because eh, he may put on a good show, but harmless?

LAPIN: Not harmless. He needs to focus on his two kiddos here, and his better half, Kourtney, has reportedly made $50,000 per episode. She`s worth $12 million. So you definitely know who the breadwinner is here. So he has to man up.

HAMMER: He has got to pay for all those drinks he was knocking back there. So who will be named the top reality TV villain on our SHOWBIZ countdown? Well, you must stick around, because I promise you, it is someone you really love to hate.


HAMMER: Welcome back. It is the SHOWBIZ countdown tonight where we`re counting down the top three villains on reality TV right now. Let me roll back where we are so far. Coming in at No. 3, "Real Housewives of Atlanta" star Kenya Moore. She really knows how to cause a scene, right? Coming in at No. 2, "Keeping up With the Kardashians," Scott Disick, who has admitted to Oprah Winfrey that yes, he has got some tendencies that make him a real jerk. At least he owns up to it.

That leaves us the No. 1 on our SHOWBIZ countdown of the top three villains on reality TV. It is and it has got to be "Dance Moms" teacher Abby Lee Miller. She may know the perfect way to sashay or an awesome Arabesque when she sees one, but all hell breaks loose when her dance troupe doesn`t fall into perfect formation.


ABBY LEE MILLER, DANCE MOMS: Now, why are we crying and pouting? I see one kid in tears, one kid pouting, and one kid sitting on their dad`s lap. Don`t carry it into the dressing room. You go home, you cry into your pillow, you figure out what you did wrong, and you don`t make the same mistakes again.


HAMMER: Yeah, she told those little kids. Back with me now, Nicole Lapin who is a journalist and founder of

Now, Nicole, I happen to know you grew up as a dancer.

LAPIN: I did.

HAMMER: Is this really the typical dance instructor, or is Abby Lee, Abby Lee Miller, as we have made her to be, a true reality TV villain in every sense of the word?

LAPIN: Every sense of the word. I have never, ever seen anything like this. In the dance world, this F-bomb dropping, this nastiness, this rudeness, this contentiousness to those poor little girls would have never in a million years happened. I don`t know what world they`re living in, but this is a total mockery of the dance world.

HAMMER: It`s so strange to me. These are little kids. I don`t get it.

We`re going to bring back Gary Owen. He hosts a very funny sketch show, "Upload With Shaquille O`Neal" on TruTV. Gary, I actually think she`s the perfect reality TV villain because of the fact that she never apologizes for her behavior, ever.

OWEN: Well, when you can like reach your audience, like when my wife watches it, she`s so emotionally attached, that she`s like, I wish she would talk that way to me. I wish. That`s when you know you`re a good villain on a TV show. And if she did meet my wife and talk that way, she`d probably be the newest member of first 48, she`s be on that show for sure. Because there would be a death somewhere.

HAMMER: Nicole, when do you ever encounter people like this? Going back to my other question to you, have you ever actually even seen this in real life as a dance instructor or somebody who`s supposed to be motivating young kids?

LAPIN: No. This is fake TV business. And again, it goes back to money, money, money. The only reason these mothers deal with this is because of the TV money. You know, what mom in their right mind would let this happen on national TV or in a public forum? And they`re so angry with Abby, but think about it -- they don`t leave. They stay there and endure this abuse. It`s ridiculous.

HAMMER: So Gary, I mean, would you be sending your kids off to see this woman just for the pure fun of it?

OWEN: No, but she says she`s an ex-dancer. But when I see her, I don`t see former dancer. Call me crazy.

HAMMER: Yes, why is that, man? What are you talking about?

OWEN: I don`t know who she was dancing for, but -- Honey Boo Boo family maybe? I don`t know.

HAMMER: But it is interesting. You know, no matter how often she`s been criticized, no matter how often people go after her, as I said, she will never apologize.

Nicole, Gary, thank you so much. You can catch Gary`s show "Upload" on TruTV. And he`s going to be at the theater at Madison Square Garden on March 1st.

Well, from TV villains, I got to move on to the cutest babies ever. Do you have any idea what kind of animals these are? Think about it. Maybe you can figure it out. If you can`t or even if you can, I`ll reveal the answer and their amazing heartwarming back story in tonight`s moment of SHOWBIZ awesomeness. It`s coming up next.


HAMMER: Right now it is time for SHOWBIZ awesomeness. This is where we name the most awesome moment of the day. And it`s a celebrity birth. No, it`s Kim K., or Duchess Catherine. Introducing, Mrs. Tiger and her adorable newborn owls. The story of how it was all caught on tape by an Oklahoma City family is pretty awesome.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Click (ph) family set up a web cam last year. This year they really ramped up their game. Two H.D. cameras and a live feed on Youstream.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To watch the mating patterns and the hatching of wild owls. You just don`t see that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It has been quite a lesson for 7-year-old Alessandra (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They looked exactly the same. But there`s one named Tiger Lily and one Tigress.


HAMMER: It is so cool. It wasn`t just dumb luck. Mrs. Tiger has set up her home on this family`s windowsill before, but this time the family decided to share the love, and of course Mrs. Tiger got her name because of the tiger-like stripes of her body.

Well, coming up next on "Dr. Drew on Call," CNN`s Anderson Cooper is going beyond the headlines in the Jodi Arias trial. You`ll find out Anderson`s take on the trial that has everybody talking. "Dr. Drew on Call" starts right now.