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NANCY GRACE

Police Look for Break in Case Similar to Celis Disappearance

Aired May 1, 2012 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Tucson. A parent`s worst nightmare, Mommy and Daddy tuck 6-year-old Isabel into bed, 8:00 AM, she`s gone. She usually sleeps with her two brothers, but not that night. Why?

The home searched by K9s and cadaver dogs. Then, after a third search at the home, police move to a landfill, then seize fabric and pillows from a family car. An FBI shrink in the home to analyze it, cops poring over the floor plan of Isa`s bedroom and the wide gap between her room and her parents` bedroom.

Police searching nearby lakes with underwater cameras, as we uncover secret surveillance showing Isa`s home that night. Isa`s parents yet to appear at the search command center before or after their one statement to press.

Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, a white male in his 20s caught standing over the bed of three little girls, 2:00 AM, assaulting one of them, just miles from Isabel`s home. Did he enter the window? Are the two connected?

And tonight, a stunning reveal from Tucson police, who say Isa`s parents have, quote, "no sense of urgency," tonight divulging they are pleading with Mom and Dad to do more. As hundreds show up to shoot an Isa video all decked out in her favorite color purple, releasing balloons, Isa`s parents a no-show. Tonight, where is 6-year-old Isabel?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of breaking developments in this story.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An intense investigation searching for a predator.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police are now investigating another bedroom attack at some young sisters in the same area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Another neighborhood, another bedroom, another stranger in the house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We do have (INAUDIBLE) We are still currently working...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A Caucasian man in his 20s broke into a home, entered a bedroom, assaulted one of three young girls.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Scary.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It troubles all of us.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is a serial attacker on the loose?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We want to make sure that if there are similarities...

BECKY CELIS, ISABEL`S MOTHER: We don`t want the focus to be taken off Isabel.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She lives about 10 miles from the scene.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Male voices, multiple male voices.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The ages are a similar age range.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The girls reportedly just 6, 8 and 10 years old.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The children were attacked in the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very big window, and it was wide open.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Eerie similarities.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trying to figure out if the two cases are connected.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s something that we feel is important for us to do.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, a white male in his 20s caught standing over the bed of three little girls, 2:00 AM, assaulting one of them, just miles from Isabel`s home. Did he enter through the window? Is it connected?

And tonight, a stunning reveal from Tucson police, who state Isa`s parents have, quote, "no sense of urgency," divulging they are pleading with Mom and Dad to do more.

We are taking your calls. Straight out to Paul Birmingham, KNST. Paul, what can you tell me about this 20-ish-year-old white male? Is the window the point of entry? How is he caught crouching or standing over the three girls` bedroom -- over their bed in the bedroom? It`s about 10 miles from Isabel`s home, correct?

PAUL BIRMINGHAM, KNST (via telephone): Correct. And I just got off the phone with deputies in this case. This apparently happened about 2:00 AM yesterday in an area of Tucson which is in the northern foothills of the community. This is a rather affluent area.

What the detective told me is that this individual, as you mentioned, a male in his 20s, woke up the three girls, one of those girls the exact same age as Isabel, 6 years old. There was also an 8-year-old and a 10- year-old who were woken up sleeping at the grandparents` home, mother, grandmother and grandfather home at the time. This individual was able to get away.

GRACE: The grandmother, the grandfather and the mother and the three little girls all in the home. Here`s the composite sketch of the perp we`re looking for. This is just a couple of miles from Isabel`s home. Still trying to find out, was the window the point of entry? That would be very critical in this case to determine if there`s a similarity.

Joining me right now is a special guest, Captain Chris Nanos, Pima County sheriff`s department, investigating the bedroom break-in, three little girls near the Celis home.

Captain, thank you for being with us.

CAPT. CHRIS NANOS, PIMA COUNTY SHERIFF`S DEPT.: You`re welcome.

GRACE: Captain, what can you tell me about the break-in in the three little girls` bedroom?

NANOS: Well, what we know is at about 1:48 in the morning, on Monday morning, we got a call from a residence just in the northeast side of Tucson. The caller stated there was a man in the home. Investigators got there and spoke with the family. The family at the home at the time was the grandfather, the grandmother, the mother of the three little girls, who was down here from Hawaii visiting.

And apparently, the three little girls were all sleeping in one room, two of them in the bed, one on the floor in a little pup tent that was put up for her next to the bed.

And all three reported that the individual had walked into the bedroom, assaulted one of the little girls, left the bedroom, and returned again back to the bedroom, where he engaged in some conversation with another one of the little girls, who challenged his story to her.

And he then fled the house, and she immediately went and reported to her mom what had occurred.

GRACE: With me, special guest Captain Chris Nanos. Captain, again, thank you for being with us. The big question right now is, is this connected to the kidnap, the disappearance of 6-year-old Isabel Celis? Captain, you`re stating that while they`re calling 911, the man is still in the home?

NANOS: Well, that I do not know. We just know that the events in the home seemed to move pretty swiftly and that once he left the bedroom for the second time, the little girl did go and talk to Mom and inform Mom. So where he was when she told Mom, we don`t know. We just know that she quickly reported to Mom the incident.

GRACE: Captain, do we know whether a window may have been the point of entry in this case?

NANOS: You know, we don`t. That community up north of here is a very quiet community. We seldom have any problems in that neighborhood. And the nighttimes cool off in Tucson, and a number of residents like to open their windows. And those windows, all of the house windows were open. The -- however, the front door may have or may not have been unlocked. We don`t know those things. But certainly, it`s a possibility.

GRACE: Also joining us there, Greg Overzat, our producer. Also, Greg, I understand, reiterating what the captain just said, the grandfather didn`t know if he locked the door or not that night. But also regarding that area, it`s only a few miles away from Isabel Celis.

But we also know that area is different in that there`s not a lot surrounding those homes. There are about 15 homes. They`re really big, ranch-style homes, all on one level, the stucco, Mediterranean or Spanish look on the outside, the majority, and a lot of windows. Some of those windows, admittedly, were left open at night to catch a breeze.

Where did this composite come from, Overzat?

GREG OVERZAT, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, the composite came from what the little girls had seen. Now, they are the only witnesses that we are aware of from that incident. Nobody else in the house had heard anything, had seen anything. The mom actually slept in a room right down the hall from the girls, about 20 feet away. But still, the little girls, the three of them, are the only ones who saw anything.

GRACE: OK, Captain, this is scaring me to death because ever since the Celis case broke, I`ve been sleeping in the bed with my two twins. My bedroom is only a few feet away from them. But nobody in this home heard a thing. That`s just what the Celises are saying.

Well, they`re not really saying anything, but the little brother, one of the little brothers told a store owner that he was there that night and they didn`t hear anything. So the grandmother, the grandfather, the mother heard nothing. The little girls heard nothing until the guy had already come in and assaulted one of them. Then the 10-year-old challenges him, Who are you, and runs and gets the mom.

But up until that point, nobody heard a thing, right, Captain?

NANOS: That is correct.

GRACE: Captain, what can you tell me about this composite? This is made of what the three little girls observed? And also, what`s being done to find this guy?

NANOS: Well, the composite was put together by one of the three little girls, the one who we feel had the best opportunity to describe him. All three girls gave us some information and were consistent in that, but one of the little girls gave us that composite.

We believe it`s fairly accurate, but that`s why we`ve got it out to the media to try to get some leads.

What is going on in the case in terms of the investigations today is yesterday, of course, we did canvass the entire neighborhood. And now today, we`re following up on a number of leads that have been generated by the composite. We will be looking in the area for some of the businesses to see if there`s any businesses in the area that may have had some video running that night. And we`re just right now poring through a number of leads, and hopefully, somebody will call us...

GRACE: Captain?

NANOS: ... with the right information that will connect this. Yes, ma`am?

GRACE: Captain, this is an incredible composite, almost looks like a photo. And I`ve taken part in creating a lot of composites in the past. This is an incredibly detailed composite. How did you manage to get a composite like that?

P.S., everybody, I just want you to know Caucasian male, 20s, dark hair, wearing dark shorts, a green sleeveless shirt and dark-colored glasses.

How did you get the composite so detailed that it looks like a photo, Captain?

NANOS: Well, it`s a system we use, but the little girls actually provided all of that information to us. They -- I can`t say enough of their courage, and they`re really the heroes in this case, that they were able to stay safe, stay composed, and then later talk to us in a forensic examination and let us know exactly what you`re looking at.

GRACE: You`re right, Captain. With me, Captain Chris Nanos joining us, the Pima County sheriff`s department. Captain, you speaking to us and putting this out there may make a difference in the Isabel Celis disappearance.

Also with me there on the scene, Greg Overzat. This as we are learning from you, Jean Casarez, that police are literally begging Isabel`s parents to speak out, and make a stunning reveal at this hour that they think the parents are, quote -- what did they say?

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": That there is no sense of urgency.

(CROSSTALK)

CASAREZ: ... urgency with the family, and they are encouraging them to come forward. In addition, Nancy, there was a video shoot last night. About 200 people were there, trying to find Isabel. Supporters were there, people that care. The parents were not. They did not go to that vigil and that videotaping to try to help find their daughter.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Ellie Jostad, also the videotaping of the "Find Isa" video, what can you tell me about that? Do we have video of that, Liz?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, this is a local band. They just shot this video yesterday. They asked volunteers, people that were helping hand out fliers to participate in this. They did a great, big video shoot there at the volunteer command center. There were about 200 people there, many of them co-workers. Becky Celis, the mother, here, but the parents were not there.

GRACE: Also, we take a look at the parents` plea for the return of their children. A lot of comments, a lot of analysis. We`re going to play that plea back in slo-mo for you. And joining us, two body language experts. This as cops begging the parents to go public and saying they seem less than enthusiastic in keeping the search for Isabel at the forefront.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BECKY CELIS: Hi. We just wanted to let you guys know we have tremendous gratitude toward Detective Sabori (ph) and his elite team, our community and the Little League community and the TMC (ph) family crew and the millions of people around the world who continue to pray and volunteer their time and effort in this effort to finding Isa.

We do not want you to focus -- or we don`t want the focus to be taken off Isabel by us being in front of the cameras or by the media. We are here today to play -- to plea for the safe return of our baby girl, Isabel.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: There you saw the single plea made by Isabel`s parents for her safe return. And joining me right now, high-profile body language expert Susan Constantine out of Orlando. Also with me, body language expert and instructor at Body Language Institute author of "Knack Body Language," Aaron Brehove joining me out of D.C. To both of you, welcome.

SUSAN CONSTANTINE, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Thank you.

GRACE: What are your analyses of this statement? First to you, Aaron.

AARON BREHOVE, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: So we see -- we see that the mother here says, We have -- we want to thank somebody, and she puts her hand up a little bit early, a little bit before she has...

GRACE: Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, Aaron. Aaron -- Liz, roll it for me in slo-mo now. OK, go Aaron. Start over, if you don`t mind.

BREHOVE: So we see her putting her hand up a little before she makes this comment, which is a good thing. That`s something that we -- she`s displaying the proper body language. But then later on, she talks about the elite detective, and she puts her hand behind her neck. She -- there`s increased anxiety as soon as she talks about this elite detective that`s helping her out. There should be a little bit less anxiety there. So it`s a little bit incongruent with what we`d expect to see when we see this (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: OK, what about you, Susan? What do you see?

CONSTANTINE: OK, the hand to the neck right here is vulnerability, so this is really a sense that, you know, Someone help me, that, I`m feeling very weak, that I need your help. That`s vulnerability, that`s not anxiety.

What I`m really seeing when I listen to the videotape and I watched her body language, that, first of all, your body language is controlled by your thoughts and your thoughts create an emotion. The emotion then creates your body language movements, your gesturing. So you see her putting her head down, which is in kinesthetic (ph), means that she`s feeling -- she has an emotion. Then her voice cracks.

So what you`re seeing is some of that is in fear. It`s like this fight or flight. And your voice -- your breathing becomes very high. She becomes as if she`s kind of losing her voice a little bit. And then what happens is that fight or flight, and that`s what`s causing her eyes or her -- or excuse me, her voice...

GRACE: Right.

CONSTANTINE: ... to start to crack.

GRACE: We are taking a look down in slo-mo of the parents` statements, including the father.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SERGIO CELIS, ISABEL`S FATHER: We are cooperating to the fullest extent with the investigation. We are increasing the reward. Just please, please, to the person or persons who have Isabel, tell us your demands. Tell us what you want. We will do anything.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back. We are analyzing the only statement that has been made so far by Isabel`s parents. With me, two renowned body language experts, Aaron Brehove and Susan Constantine.

Let`s see the father in slo-mo. And interestingly, Aaron Brehove, I know you guys are looking at their behavior. I don`t find what you two are saying to be inconsistent. You call it anxiety. She calls it vulnerability. To me, that is consistent with the mother`s actions.

Let`s take a look at the father. As a lawyer, the first thing I hear him say is not, Where is my girl, but, We are cooperating. Now, I`m going to percolate on that while you, Aaron and Susan, analyze his nonverbal cues. Hit it, Aaron.

BREHOVE: So we see him shaking his head a lot here. We don`t know if that`s -- what he`s having a little bit internal dialogue there, when he`s saying that, We will negotiate. It`s a little bit odd, but he could be saying, We`ll do anything for this. There`s -- you have to ask a few more questions around this. It`s a little bit odd how much he starts shaking his head, though, when he`s talking about the negotiations.

GRACE: You know, I find that interesting, too, Susan. Why is he shaking his head no? Because just as a layperson -- I`m just a trial lawyer, but when somebody is telling me something and they`re shaking their head no, to me, that`s mixed messages. What is that?

CONSTANTINE: Not necessarily, Nancy, because that could be processing. Some people just process information by shaking their head, no, when they mean yes. And there are other times -- what I`m really looking for is (INAUDIBLE) saying that, I`m not concerned about her and then her -- or I`m concerned about her and her head would be shaking no.

So I`m looking at really more of a micro gesture, something that happens very quick, rather than a processing where his head is just shaking back and forth. I wouldn`t really consider that being inconsistent.

GRACE: Right. Well, one thing that I have noticed, a lot of our viewers have commented -- let me see my experts, please, Liz -- is that they brought it to my attention that there are no actual tears. And maybe I`m overemotional, Aaron Brehove, when I talk about my children, as many people have pointed out, but I don`t see any tears here. Is it because they`re just bone dry, they`re cried out? What does it mean?

BREHOVE: It`s a little bit disconcerting that you don`t see any tears, and you hear it coming from their voice a little bit. Everything is connected. If their voice really was affected and they really were crying a few seconds ago, you probably should see something there because there`s a connection between your sinuses (ph) and your tears. So if you`re not seeing anything, it does raise a question. It`s a great thing that you found there.

GRACE: What about it, Susan?

CONSTANTINE: That`s absolutely correct. And you know, Aaron brought up a very good point because they all are interconnected. Our body language, our voice and our words all have to tie together. No tears, no emotion.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHARON ROCHA, LACI PETERSON`S MOTHER: Someone has taken all of this away from me and everyone else who loves her. There are no words that can possibly describe the ache in my heart or the emptiness in my life. I know that someone knows where Laci is and I am pleading with you, please, please, let her come home to us.

DIENA THOMPSON, SOMER THOMPSON`S MOTHER: I want you to know that I will not sleep until this person is found. I hope they get you, and I hope they make you pay for a long, long time.

ERIN RUNNION, SAMANTHA RUNNION`S MOTHER: And in honor of Samantha, in honor of Jessica, and Molly Fish and Polly Klaas and Adam Walsh, how many children do we have to take away before we, as Americans, get organized? We outnumber you so many times over. There is no excuse, and we`re not going to let you get away with this anymore.

MARK LUNSFORD, JESSICA LUNSFORD`S FATHER: All the parents out there, I know everybody does, but do it more often. Make sure you get that hug and kiss.

SUSAN SMITH, MOTHER CONVICTED OF MURDERING SONS 3 AND 1: Back home how much we love them, we miss them. They are our hearts, and who I have prayed every day. There`s not one minute that goes by that I don`t think about those boys.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Yes, Susan Smith, you think about how you ran them into the water while they were still buckled into the car and couldn`t escape.

The other parents making legitimate pleas for their children`s return.

Tonight police in a stunning reveal state that they have found Isa`s parents to be less than enthusiastic in keeping Isa`s disappearance to the forefront. And tonight we bring in two renowned body language and speech analysts to determine what was going on behind these prepared read statements to the press.

With me, Susan Constantine, also with me Erin Brehove, also with me, Caryn Stark, psychologist out of New York.

Very interesting that this were the -- this was the single appearance that the parents have made at the search center. Her friends and co- workers are struggling diligently to bring Isabel home.

Everyone, this in the wake of a 20-something-year-old white male being found in the bedroom of three little girls just a few miles away from Isabel`s home. Are they connected?

To you, Caryn Stark, why is this the single appearance the parents have made? Why are they not reaching out for help for the return of their daughter and where are the tears?

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: This is extraordinary, Nancy. It`s so hard to understand because during a time like this, and I know you would feel the same way, when your child is missing, you want to be busy doing whatever you can to feel like you`re moving this along. It`s very hard to not be involved.

I mean the agony that they should be going through, and I am so surprised that they`re not enthusiastically embracing the situation and trying to be a part of it. Shocking. Just shocking.

GRACE: As a matter of fact, Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter of Radaronline.com, it`s my understanding, Alexis, that police have given the Celis family a stack of press requests for interviews so they can say whatever they want to, to whomever took Isa.

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: You`re exactly right. They have. The police have said, talk to everybody and anybody, anyone that asks to you talk to them, please talk to them. They want to keep the news out there in hopes that something will spark recognition anywhere in the country, but the parents have absolutely refused.

They are not talking to anybody and everybody that`s reached out to them has had the same thing. But what they say is we don`t want our face to be the face of our daughter who is missing but really they`re the only faces that are around right now so everybody is very confused and on the police side, you know, they don`t understand why this family isn`t more eager to talk to the press.

It`s not that they would be accused of anything. The press just wants to help and find answers to this, so it`s very unsettling that the parents are not talking to anyone at all.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Kelly Saindon, former prosecutor, Chicago, Richard Herman, defense attorney, joining us tonight out of Vegas, Peter Odom, defense attorney, Atlanta.

What about it, Kelly?

KELLY SAINDON, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Well, from a prosecution standpoint this is very suspect. You`re wondering why the parents aren`t talking and because I do defense right now you say the only way to catch a fish is open their mouth. So if you`re their attorney, you`re telling them don`t say anything. And if you`re the police you`re saying, find your daughter. What`s wrong with you?

GRACE: OK. Richard Herman. I`m sure you`re tuned up. Let it go.

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you know, the utter frustration and incompetence of law enforcement and their inability to find this person or persons is not going to be shielded by them blaming the parents for not getting on public television or for making statements.

Look what we did tonight to this -- the initial statement they made. We dissected every word, every eye movement, everything. They don`t need to do that. Law enforcement needs to find this person or persons and it`s not the fault of the parents. It`s the fault of law enforcement. They ought to buckle down and do their job.

GRACE: OK, Steve Moore, former -- and Peter Odom, hold on. I`m coming right back to you. Steve Moore, former fed with the FBI and violent crime investigator, who spent months and months in the Tucson area.

Isn`t it true, Steve Moore, regardless what Richard Herman may spout off, all investigations in the case of this nature start in the home, so the parents, like it or not -- Marc Klaas are going to weigh in on this -- might as well get used to the fact that they`re suspect number one. That`s where the investigation starts.

STEVE MOORE, FORMER FBI AGENT AND VIOLENT CRIME INVESTIGATOR: Yes, it is what it is. You`ve been put in a situation you don`t want to be in but you have to make the best of what you`ve got. It is bothersome to me that the police took the extraordinary act of actually saying that they needed more cooperation, more involvement from the parents. That`s something you would say privately but if you say it publicly you`re trying to put pressure on the parents.

So this is more than just a little bit of frustration. When I was working these kinds of cases, I was pushed constantly by the parents, phone calls, showing up at the office. These are the ways parents usually act. If I have to call them, I`m wondering what`s going on.

GRACE: Greg Overzat, exactly what did police say?

GREG OVERZAT, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, yesterday I got a chance to speak with Lt. Pacheco from Tucson Police Department after their press briefing for the day. And he told me something very interesting about the parents and their reluctance in speaking with the media. He said, and I quote, "I don`t get the feeling that they have the sense of urgency in keeping the investigation on the forefront by taking all advantage of any and all media offers."

And as we know they have been given a stack of offers from different outlets who would like to just speak with them and hear their side of this and have them come forward and make a public plea for their daughter.

GRACE: OK, your turn, Peter Odom.

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think it is outrageous that the police are expecting these parents who are in a state of crisis with the missing girl to suggest that somehow it`s up to these people to keep this case in the forefront of the media. These are ordinary people. They`re not used to being in front of cameras. They`re not used to speaking to thousands of people.

And, Nancy, how dare anybody suggest that somehow their body language is suggesting something other than the truth. I mean, these body language experts, with all due respect to them, I`d put more stock in chicken bones and tea leaves than I would about people saying that this gesture means this and this gesture means that.

Come on, police, do your job and let these parents grieve the way they need to.

GRACE: Well, Peter, Peter, it`s my understanding that you have what is commonly known as a JD, jurist doctor in the law, is that correct?

(CROSSTALK)

ODOM: Yes, and my JD tells me that --

GRACE: OK. Well, I find it very, very --

ODOM: Body language testimony is not admissible.

GRACE: As I was stating, since we are -- look around you, Peter Odom. Do you see a jury? Do you see a judge or two opposing counsel? No, you do not. You see a studio. We are not in a court of law. You are on my show answering my questions, and you may wish to ignore an entire body of scientific evidence called nonverbal communication. However, I used it every time I struck a jury. And if you don`t, I would advise you to go back over your win/loss record.

Right now to Marc Klaas, president and founder of KlaasKids Foundation.

All right, Marc, you`re coming at it from both angles. You are a parent who lost a child out of her home similar to Isa. You are a parent who did everything possible, everything the police asked you to do, and yet you are also a friend of parents in your situation.

I want to hear your thoughts.

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, for maybe the first time since we`ve been doing this show together, I completely agree with Peter on this. The whole idea that because they haven`t cried publicly that they must be guilty of something I think is absolutely preposterous, Nancy. I`ve never, ever cried in public when my daughter was missing, and we endured that fear and that pain for 65 days.

But that having been said, I think here we go again. A bunker mentality is undermining a parent`s effort to recover their children just in baby Irwin case, the baby Lisa case, and the baby Ayla Reynolds case. They would be much better served by being public than they are by holding their tongues.

GRACE: Well, Marc, I`m going to clarify, I don`t expect people to cry in public but when people seem as if they`re crying but no tears come out, that makes me just look -- that does not have anything to do with guilt or innocence. More than that, what is concerning me is that cops are asking them to do something. They`re asking them to take this case public, to get more tips. That`s what it`s all about. And the parents are not. That is what is bothering me, Marc Klaas.

KLAAS: Well, that bothers me, too, Nancy. But, remember, it was your body language experts who made the big deal over the fact that these parents weren`t crying publicly.

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GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. We are there in Tucson bringing you the latest in the search for 6-year-old Isabel. In the last hours three little girls wake up to find a white male intruder standing over their bed. We have a composite of him, a very good composite.

Let`s see it, Liz.

The significance is it`s only a couple of miles away from Isabel`s home. Are the two connected? This as we learn cops stating Isabel`s parents do not seem enthusiastic in keeping their child`s story in the forefront. We have been analyzing the single statement that they made, the single time they went to the search command center, not because we are asking them to cry in public. That`s not it.

Believe me. I am a crime victim and I would not appreciate anyone telling me how to act at a time like that, but what I am saying is that when parents get involved and make a public plea, it increases the number of tips. We are inundated with stats about missing children and crimes on children every day. Stats tend to numb the public. The parents speaking out will refresh this case in the public`s mind and maybe someone will remember something to bring Isabel home.

At this point does it matter why? All that matters is that we find the little girl, and if it will help, why not do it? Why?

We are taking your calls. I want to go out to Amy in Pennsylvania. Amy, what`s your question?

AMY, CALLER FROM PENNSYLVANIA: Hi, Nancy. Hugs and kisses to the twins. Again, I guess we`re missing another child. I do believe it`s a language barrier with the parents. I taught Spanish for a lot of years --

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Well, I heard them speak fluent English. I heard them speak fluent English and then translated --

AMY: Yes.

GRACE: -- into Spanish, and I also know that Sergio Celis, the father, is -- has been in the Tucson Opera singing in not only English but Italian for 20 years, so I don`t think the language barrier is going to be the problem in this case.

We are taking your calls, but I want to go back out to Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline.com.

What more is happening in the case?

TERESZCUK: Well, Nancy, after the discovery, the revelation about this connected case, this is what police are looking at. They`re not ruling out that this could be the same person that possibly could have taken poor Isabel. So what they`re doing is they`re looking at the new -- they`re trying to find this new man that broke into this home and was in the bedroom with these little girls, and they`re thinking that perhaps that there could be something that this could strike up an image somebody -- by putting this picture up, other people could recognize that perhaps this man is somehow connected to Isabel being gone.

GRACE: To Dr. Bill Lloyd, board certified surgeon and pathologist joining us out of Sacramento, the other case, the similar transaction of the 20-year-old intruder near Isabel`s home significant because if there is DNA there and there is unknown DNA in Isabel`s house, explain.

DR. BILL LLOYD, BOARD CERTIFIED SURGEON AND PATHOLOGIST: Yes, Nancy, the two crimes have many similarities to them. And by being able to collect this alien DNA from the second house and perhaps finding a match in the first house would give them a great head start in finding the perpetrator.

But as a father of three, Nancy, let me weigh in on the parents` response. Let me just tell you that whenever there`s a problem and a reaction, it should be aligned. But in this case there`s a missing child and the parents aren`t talking. Whenever there`s not a connection between A and B there`s a secret. Check the family finances.

Nancy, there`s a secret here.

GRACE: You know what, Dr. Lloyd, I was bringing up last night how it may -- definitely I feel that there is a secret that we don`t know about. It may not be connected to her disappearance. Because if you`ll remember, Dr. Lloyd, in the Danielle Van Dam case, the big secret was the parents smoked pot and they had been swingers and, boy, was that mom, Brenda Van Dam, dragged through the mud on that.

But she stuck to her guns in the effort to bring justice to her daughter, Danielle Van Dam. So the secret doesn`t necessarily have to be nefarious or connected to Isabel`s disappearance. But I think that you`re right, Doctor.

Doctor, what -- are your other observations?

LLOYD: Yes, all behavior are gestures, Nancy, everything we do, just like the voice analyst/body language experts you had on earlier. Everything we do means something. So if you`re talking and your voice sounds like you`re crying but you`re not crying, you`ve got a disconnect.

It was interesting they had those prepared printed statements that they were reading. They couldn`t even read those in their own language written with their own handwriting, they had difficulty reading that. There were too many inconsistencies here. This is 2012 and everyone would want to have access to the media like this family has and they`re not going to leverage that access, which could bring the difference between finding this girl and finding a body.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. First to you, Herman.

HERMAN: Nancy, it`s ridiculous. This doctor that just told us his views and your body language experts could never be qualified in court to testify as experts, never in one of my cases --

GRACE: I didn`t ask you that.

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GRACE: All right, Richard.

HERMAN: Law enforcement is passing the blame to the parents.

GRACE: He swings and it`s a strike. Nobody is blaming the parents.

Odom, you`re next.

ODOM: Nancy, the good doctor who just spoke, with all due respect to him, he says oh, this is 2012, everyone wants to be in front of the cameras. That`s a kind of a twisted point of view. Not everybody can be in front of the cameras. This is difficult for people.

HERMAN: Exactly.

GRACE: All right. Kelly?

SAINDON: Well, Nancy, I agree with you. This is about tips. Get it out there. Bring the public`s attention to this story so that they can try to bring this girl home.

GRACE: Everyone, as we go to break, I want to remind you our family album back showcasing your photos. Here are our Florida friends, the Goodman. Michelle and Eugene raising their 15-year-old daughter Cheyenne (ph) on a farm. Here`s her horse, Possum.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Friends and family and co-workers have all come together to pass out flyers and getting word of mouth out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a window that was open and a screen removed. We`re labeling it as suspicious circumstances.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: There`s an FBI trained dogs searching a home where a 6-year-old girl vanished over the weekend.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But over 140 law enforcement officers with multiple agencies are on the look out, along with hundreds in the community.

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GRACE: Jean Casarez, what more can you tell us?

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Well, law enforcement, number one, is not giving us the results of any forensic testing. They are not unsealing the search warrants of her bedroom so we don`t know what Isabel Celis`s bedroom looked like after she was allegedly abducted. They also are not commenting on the FBI profilers of the person that they generated a profile on that they believe could have abducted Isabel.

GRACE: Good point, Jean.

Captain Nanos is joining us there in Tucson.

Final thought, Captain?

CAPT. CHRIS NANOS, PIMA COUNTY SHERIFF`S DEPARTMENT INVESTIGATING OTHER BEDROOM ATTACK: I just listening to you and I would have to say that we, the law enforcement agencies, definitely needs the community`s support. We can`t solve these crimes without it. So anything we can do to encourage someone to give information to us, to put this puzzle together, we encourage that.

GRACE: With us, Captain Nanos. The tip line is 88-CRIME, 882-7463.

Tonight, whether we like it or not, leaving no stone unturned in the search for Isa.

Let`s stop and remember Marine Capt. Jessie Melton III, 29, Randallstown, Maryland, killed Afghanistan. Bronze Star. Purple Heart. Joint Service Commendation medal. Combat Action Ribbon. Served 11 years. A Messiah College grad, military history buff, loved reading, salsa dancing, scuba, martial arts and earned his black belt. Leaves behind his mother, Janice, stepfather, Charleston, sister, Janine, served the army, brother Joshua.

Jesse Melton III. American hero.

Thanks to our guest but especially to you for being with us and congratulations to Mississippi friend Skylar Lane, now in the top five, "American Idol," A hometown girl.

Keep singing, Skylar.

Everyone, we`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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