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NANCY GRACE

Dr. Murray Police Questioning Tape Released

Aired October 7, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the sudden death of music icon Michael Jackson. We are live here in L.A., where Jackson`s live-in doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray, on trial for shooting Jackson up with a super-powerful surgical anesthetic, Propofol, then leaving the superstar to die surrounded by his own urine.

Four of the married doctor`s mistresses turn star witnesses, and Jackson`s voice from beyond the grave, secretly recorded by his own doctor, who then feeds Jackson the deadly drugs. Fingerprints, damning evidence -- not Jackson`s prints, but Dr. Conrad Murray`s left index print on the deadly drug bottle, pumped into Jackson`s leg.

A bloody shirt emerges in the investigation. Then another blow, the oxygen tank beside Jackson`s bed in case of emergency is empty. Thanks, Doc!

Bombshell tonight. Stunning audio evidence, Dr. Conrad Murray caught on tape. We have the audio. The doctor goes on the run and actually hides out from police until they track him down days after Jackson`s death, Murray struggling on tape, caught in a web on his own lies about the superstar`s death.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Michael Jackson`s death trial. We are in day nine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Conrad Murray was working not for the best interests of Michael Jackson, not for the health of Michael Jackson.

DR. CONRAD MURRAY, JACKSON`S PERSONAL PHYSICIAN: I said, if you got Propofol now -- which, of course, he referred to as the milk -- how much time, how much sleep do you expect to have? You know, you`re going to be needing to be up no later than noon.

He said, Just make me sleep. Doesn`t matter what time I get up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dr. Murray was working for $150,000 a month.

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GRACE: And tonight, season 13 "Dancing With the Stars," reality TV star Holly Madison (ph), contestant, Indy 500 champ and dancing winner Elio (ph) Castroneves, season 7 contestant Shep Rocko Disirito (ph), season 13 professional Val, "Bachelorette" and season 1 contestant Trista Sutter, and my dancing partner Tristan MacManus. And we`re all taking your calls.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nancy and Tristan, you`re safe!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kristin and Marc.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I had a great experience. I`m really glad I did the show. And you know, it is what it is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You never know. I mean, like you saw tonight, Marc and Kristin left. I personally didn`t think they should have got voted off.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you have a gut feeling when you woke up this morning that, You know what? I think we`re going to do all right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you think you weren`t going to make it through tonight?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

GRACE: The song and the music meant so much to me. And to have that 21 means the world to me!

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Stunning audio evidence, Conrad Murray, Dr. Conrad Murray, caught on tape. We have the audio. Then the doctor goes on the run, actually hiding out from police until they track him down days after Jackson`s death. Murray on tape struggling, caught in a web of his own lies about the superstar`s death.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Michael Jackson was pronounced dead. The evidence in this case will show gross negligence, medical abandonment.

MURRAY: I was gone, I would say, about two minutes. To speak to the 911 operator would be to neglect him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Repeated incompetent and unskilled acts, Midazolam and Lorazepam, Propofol, 4.09 gallons of this general anesthetic agent, 45,000 milligrams of Propofol. Gross negligence of Conrad Murray.

MURRAY: I didn`t -- couldn`t ask him at that time to call 911 because he would want to know what it was about, and I have a patient that needs help, and I`m trying to assist, and I`m trying to do it the best I can and to try to get help.

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GRACE: We are live here in L.A., camped outside the county courthouse, where the man on trial, Dr. Conrad Murray, is accused of involuntary manslaughter in the death of music icon Michael Jackson. We`re all taking your calls.

Dr. Murray caught on tape. Not only do we learn he goes on the run, disappearing for two full days after Jackson`s death until police finally track him down, but then on tape, he`s caught in his own web of lies about the superstar`s death.

Out to Steve Helling, writer with "People" magazine. Conrad Murray disappears for days after Jackson`s death. Only by going through Conrad Murray`s lawyer do police finally get to talk to him. Where did he go?

STEVE HELLING, "PEOPLE" MAGAZINE: Well, you know, the police ended up finally getting in touch with him and interviewing him actually in a hotel room, not in anything that -- not anywhere where Conrad Murray lived or anything like that. So he was really controlling the situation on where he was when he was going to be talking to the police.

So that`s a really interesting tidbit of information. Obviously, it looks like perhaps he had something to hide.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight, Sue Moss, attorney out of New York, Ann Fitz, defense attorney out of Atlanta, and Richard Herman, renowned defense attorney joining us tonight out of Vegas.

Weigh in, Sue Moss.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: There is such a low standard for involuntary manslaughter, which I think he`ll be convicted of. Think of it this way. He gave Propofol without monitoring any of this guy`s vital signs. And then when Michael Jackson is dying, he goes to the bathroom to look at the man in the mirror! That`s when Jackson actually dies.

This guy is absolutely guilty of not using due caution when giving the Propofol and the other drugs! He`s going to be guilty. It`s bad, it`s bad, he knows it!

GRACE: OK, to you, Richard Herman, joining us tonight out of Vegas. Now, Richard, before you get all cranked up, just answer a couple of simple yes or nos. Richard, when you`re driving down the interstate and you see a cop or a state patrol car go by, do you slam the gas and take off at 120 miles an hour? That`s a yes/no. Do you?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No.

GRACE: OK.

HERMAN: No.

GRACE: And that`s probably, Richard, because you have no reason to run from the cops. You don`t care if they look in your trunk or your back seat, or even in your pants pockets or wallet. That`s fine with you.

Now, why, after the death of Michael Jackson, would Conrad Murray hide out for days on end until finally cops get to talk to him, the last witness to see Jackson alive, through his lawyer. Why did he hide, Richard?

HERMAN: Well, maybe because this was the biggest entertainer in the world and maybe because he wanted to be protected with his lawyer. He did the right thing. I never would have let my client go in there two days after this and sit down with law enforcement. I would have done an attorney proffer. I would have seen exactly what they`re looking for.

GRACE: OK, what about it, Ann Fitz?

ANN FITZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Look, Nancy, it was two days. We`re not talking about two weeks, two months...

HERMAN: Right.

FITZ: ... two days. There wasn`t an arrest warrant out for him, and he didn`t even have to give a statement. That was a voluntary statement that he gave.

GRACE: Well, you know what?

FITZ: He was not compelled to do it, Nancy.

GRACE: Ann -- put Fitz up. Ann, I`m going to let you hear Conrad Murray caught on tape. And Ann, if you had been the last one on the scene when somebody died, I`ve got a pretty good idea you wouldn`t go on the run for days on end until cops talk to your lawyer. But you take a listen to Conrad Murray for yourself. Here`s Conrad Murray caught on tape.

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MURRAY: It was 4:30 in the morning, and he was wide awake. And then he complained -- I`ve got to sleep, Dr. Conrad. I have these rehearsals to perform. I must be ready for the show in England. Tomorrow I will have to cancel my performance, I have to cancel my trip because you know I cannot function if I don`t get the sleep.

I said, if you got Propofol now -- which, of course, he referred to as the milk -- how much time, how much sleep do you expect to have? You know, you`re going to be needing to be up no later than noon.

And he said, Just make me sleep. Doesn`t matter what time I get up.

I said, What would happen to your rehearsals and your schedule for the day? He said, I can`t function if I don`t sleep. They will have to cancel it. And I don`t want them to cancel it, but they will have to cancel it. So I agreed at that time that I would switch him over to the Propofol.

I monitored him. I sat there and watched him for a long enough period that I felt comfortable. Then I needed to go to the bathroom. So I got up and went to the bathroom to release myself of urine and also considered getting rid of some of his urination that he had put in the jugs overnight.

And then I came back to his bedside, and I was stunned in the sense that he wasn`t breathing.

I was gone, I would say, about two minutes.

To speak to the 911 operator would be to neglect him. I didn`t -- couldn`t ask him at that time to call 911 because he would want to know what it was about, and I have a patient that needs help. And I`m trying to assist, and I`m trying to do it the best I can and to try to get help.

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GRACE: Defendant Dr. Conrad Murray caught on audiotape. We have the audio. We are live here in L.A., camped out by the courthouse and taking your calls.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) breathing collapse.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, emergency response was on the scene immediately.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re going to call it here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: However, it was too late.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The time of death is 12:57.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was clinically dead.

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MICHAEL JACKSON: And my performance has to be up there and helping my children.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fluid that`s in the cut IV bag. Propofol is milky white. That fluid is crystal clear.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s clear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s no milky fluid in this IV bag.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: From this photo, no.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Poking holes in Elissa Fleak`s testimony.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ms. Fleak, would you agree with me that you made a substantial number of mistakes in your investigation of this case.

ELISSA FLEAK, CORONER`S INVESTIGATOR: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But he`s not responding to anything, to no -- no -- he`s not responding to the CPR or anything.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dr. Murray comes down the stairs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s pumping. He`s pumping his chest.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And he`s screaming, Hurry, go get Prince.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The time of death is 12:57.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) this for Michael.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He should be here right now.

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GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. We are live in L.A., camped outside the county courthouse, taking your calls.

I want to go back to Ellie Jostad. Ellie, how exactly did this tape of Dr. Conrad Murray emerge?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, detectives say they were trying to reach Dr. Murray. They wanted to find out what exactly happened in Jackson`s bedroom that morning. They say after two days of trying to call him, go to his residence, they were finally able to meet with him via his attorney.

So they met at this hotel. They got a timeline from Dr. Murray about what happened that day. But there`s a big problem with the timeline, Nancy. The time that Dr. Murray says he died and when prosecutors think he died is way off.

GRACE: We`re also learning about a secret storage unit kept by the doctor, full of medical supplies and medicines.

Out to Rupa Mikkilineni, investigative reporter. Rupa, where`s the storage unit? What was in the storage unit? And how does it relate to this case?

RUPA MIKKILINENI, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Right. "The National Enquirer," Nancy, is reporting that Dr. Murray took a slew of bloody syringes, drugs, Propofol, various drugs, as well as patient records, and stored them in a storage locker facility in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Now, we understand that after some time period, that storage locker -- he forgot to pay the monthly rent, which is, like, $300 a month or so. And then the contents of that storage facility was sold off to a thrift store owner. Now, police have managed to confiscate the drugs and some of the evidence from that storage facility.

GRACE: Joining us right now is a special guest, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, a very dear friend and adviser to Michael Jackson, author of "Ten Conversations You Need to Have With Yourself." Rabbi, you believe that the group around Michael Jackson knew what was going on. What led to the rift in your relationship with Michael Jackson?

RABBI SHMULEY BOTEACH, JACKSON`S FRIEND AND SPIRITUAL ADVISER: Well, it was very similar to what you`re hearing happened now. I said to Michael, We`re here to rehabilitate your life. We have to get you off these sedatives. We have to give you a normal life that starts in the morning and ends at night instead of being topsy-turvey. We have to get you away from the masks and people thinking you`re strange. You can`t go back to performing.

But as soon as I helped to reenergize Michael, the managers came in and they said, Let`s do a concert. And this concert ultimately happened, September 10th, 2011 (SIC), the night before 9/11. And I said to Michael, This is where we part company because, in the final analysis, you`re not ready to go back to this, and I`m not a concert promoter, I`m a rabbi.

Look at what Conrad Murray is saying. Michael says to him, If you don`t give me this drug that can kill me, I won`t be able to perform. And the doctor should have said, Don`t perform. I quit. I will not kill you. I will not participate in harming you.

This is the corruption of fame. It`s the corruption of money. And it`s a tragic story, Nancy.

GRACE: We are live in L.A., bringing you the very latest straight from the courtroom, the man on trial for the death of music superstar Michael Jackson secretly caught on tape.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) doctor.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Conrad Murray was on the phone for about 45 minutes.

GRACE: ... to go chat up his mistress on a cell phone?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just heard mumbling. And I heard coughing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gross negligence.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Rather than caring for your patient.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a gentleman here that needs help, and he`s not breathing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think you need to get a blood test on him.

911 OPERATOR: Did anybody witness what happened?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, just the doctor, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... episode last night. He`s sick.

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GRACE: Let`s go to Sheryl McCollum, crime analyst, director of cold case Investigative Research Institute. Sheryl, weigh in on the crime scene.

SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST: The crime scene is going to be very telling, Nancy. First of all, you`ve got the thousands and thousands of milligrams of Propofol. You`ve got the doctor`s fingerprints on the syringe and on the bottle. You`ve got his version of the timeline that his cell phone is going to totally disregard anything he has said because that`s real-time and truthful.

You`ve also got his statement to police, where he says, Well, I didn`t want to neglect him. However, Nancy, he chose not to call 911. He chose not to tell his girlfriend what was going on. He chose not to tell security what was going on, or the ER nurses or the ER doctors. He tried to keep this drug from everybody`s knowledge.

Why would he do that if he wasn`t guilty of something? Why would he hide for two days, lawyer up, and then still, after two days, have a ridiculous story of what occurred?

GRACE: To Dr. Bill Mannion, New Jersey Medical Examiner. Dr. Mannion, thanks for being with us.

DR. BILL MANNION, MEDICAL EXAMINER: My pleasure.

GRACE: I want you to weigh in on how saturated his body was with Propofol.

MANNION: Well, the Propofol is injected intravenously. So it`s in the blood stream, so it`s going to be present in every organ. Propofol is a lipid-soluble drug, so it`s going to be taken up by the liver, by the brain.

And Propofol classically is a respiratory depressant. If you combine that with these other benzodiazepines, the Lorazepam, and midazolam that Dr. Murray was giving him -- in other words, one respiratory depressant depresses you 10 percent, a second one depresses you 10 percent. You combine them, you get 50 percent depression. They potentiate each other.

So I feel the medical examiner`s absolutely correct here that the cause of death is Propofol intoxication augmented by the benzodiazepines.

Now, Dr. Murray did do something right here. He did administer Flumazenil, which is a benzodiazepine antagonist. In other words, that will reverse the effects of the Lorazepam and the midazolam. However, it won`t reverse the effects of the Propofol.

And it just was a little bit too little, too late. If he had had an intubation set there, could have intubated him, given him oxygen, we`d be great.

GRACE: Joining me right now, Dr. Leslie Seppinni, clinical psychologist. Weigh in, Dr. Seppinni. What do you think about what`s going on in the courtroom?

LESLIE SEPPINNI, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: I think, you know, it`s an interesting situation because to me -- many people are saying that this case rests on the medical evidence, and I think this case rests on far more than that.

But this is a case about humanity and the treatment of people who have addiction, and the fact that this man sat on a gurney dead, and that we can now see him as a person.

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NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Welcome back, everybody. We are taking your calls with a superstar lineup from "Dancing with the Stars." and we`re going to kick it off with contestant Holly Madison. She was with "Dancing with the Stars" season eight. She`s star of Holly`s World on E.

Holly Madison, number one, you`ve got a lot of fans out there. You`re beautiful. You`re a great dancer.

HOLLY MADISON, CONTESTANT, DANCING WITH THE STARS: Thank you.

GRACE: But right now I`ve got my partner, Tristan here, we need dancing tips now. Tristan is a professional. Whoa! Wait a minute. There`s Holly Madison. Does she have on pants? Wait a minute. It`s just like Lisa. Hold on. Let me see the whole thing, Liz. Are there pants attached to that outfit?

I`m looking. Not seeing. OK. Not really. OK. Other than no pants, Holly, can you give me some dancing tips? Tristan, please listen to this.

MADISON: Actually, I didn`t do too well on the dancing end of the competition. My scores weren`t very high. But my piece of advice for the show is just, enjoy every minute of it. I had a blast on the show. And you never know when you`re going to go. I`ve seen great dancers get voted off early. I`ve seen bad dancers stay on late.

But you know that month I spent on "Dancing with the Stars" was most of the fun things I`ve ever done. So I just say, enjoy every second. And especially I love the time in the wardrobe room, too. Do you have a say with your costumes? Do you have a lot of input with that?

GRACE: Yes, we do. And as a matter of fact, we are dancing, as I say, the Passe Doble on Monday night. Now Tristan, the professional, is going to explain what it is. What is it?

TRISTAN MACMANUS, NANCY GRACE`S PARTNER, DANCING WITH THE STARS: It`s the Passe Doble.

GRACE: Whatever.

MACMANUS: I guess it`s based on the story of the matador.

GRACE: And?

MACMANUS: And -

GRACE: I take it I am going to be the bull in this scenario?

MACMANUS: You`re going to be the cape.

GRACE: Then why do I end up getting stabbed?

MACMANUS: Because that`s my own input that I want to put into it at this moment.

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: Joining me right now is a winner of season five, he went all the way, he`s also a three-time Indy 500 champion, Helio Castroneves. Helio, thank you for being with us.

HELIO CASTRONEVES, WINNER, DANCING WITH THE STARS SEASON FIVE: Nancy, thank you for having me back. And listening to you guys talking about the Passe Doble. Men, it`s the funniest thing because I had the same trouble as well, trying to understand why you have to stab the bull, you know. It was like the hardest thing. But I enjoyed it very much.

GRACE: Look at you go. We`re showing you right now. I don`t know if you can see it. But, you know, you told me the last time I talked to you, that you sit in a race car and don`t shake your hips very much. Well, I take issue with that. Because there`s a whole lot of shaking going on, Helio.

OK, give me and my professional, who doesn`t think he needs any tips, please give us some dance tips, Helio.

CASTRONEVES: You know, let me tell you. The tips, you`ve got to listen to the partner. I mean that`s what I did the entire show. I know you guys are going to have some issues. It`s normal. Tristan is a new guy here. And it`s the first time he`s doing that. But you know you`ve just got to have your fun. And I can see you guys connecting well. And that`s the biggest thing, you know. The judge and fans are able to see that through the TV. And obviously that`s a big part of it. So you want to, when you need the votes, that`s a big part of it.

GRACE: Yes, we connected really well yesterday in rehearsal hall. It`s called a finger necklace. And it fit him just perfectly during our Passe Doble. All right. Now, I`ve got with me professional dancer, "Dancing with the Stars" season 13, our friend, Val Chmerkovskiy. I`ve been working on that Val. Hey, thank you for being with us, Val.

VAL CHMERKOVSKIY, PROFESSIONAL DANCER, DANCING WITH THE STARS SEASON 13: Oh, my God, it`s a huge honor to be here, Nancy. Thank you.

GRACE: OK, Val, number one, no offense, Tristan, but since you`ve left, I have practically nothing to look at. Everybody, Val used to walk around the rehearsal hall with his shirt off all the time. Now, I didn`t look, of course. I wouldn`t look. But other women, I understand, did look.

OK. Val, we miss you. What are your thoughts as you look back on your last dance?

CHMERKOVSKIY: My last dance, I have no regrets. I think it was a huge improvement from the first week. And she did a great job. I was proud of her. But, you know, like everything, things come to an end. And you just have to be prepared for it and just seize the moment. Enjoy like Helio, like how he said, it`s a once in a lifetime kind of opportunity. Let yourself out, trust that Tristan is amazing. And he`s kind and he wants the best for you. So just let go, and trust him.

GRACE: You know, Val, your big brother, Max, is also on the show. Did you feel any competition with him? Even though you`re dancing with different partners, you`re dancing different dances. Did you ever get compared to him? Because your personalities are so different.

CHMERKOVSKIY: No, there`s absolutely no competition. We`re both very passionate and very competitive. But you know we grew up, and we were raised to compete against others, and never against each other.

GRACE: Joining me right now is another special guest, Rocco Dispirito, contestant season seven, author of "Now, Eat this." Rocco, you have so many fans. And I want to thank you very much for being with us. I know everyone wants to talk to you about food, but I want to talk to you about your feet. Tell me about your experience on "dancing."

ROCCO DISPIRITO, CONTESTANT, DANCING WITH THE STARS SEASON SEVEN: Nancy, thank you so much for having me on. You`re doing great, by the way. I`m so proud of you. It really tests your pleasure/pain threshold, don`t you think?

GRACE: Yes.

DISPIRITO: Yes. My experience was, you know, I wasn`t very good. So I don`t know if you want tips from me. I learned -

GRACE: Yes, I do.

DISPIRITO: Never wear fuchsia ruffles. That`s a big mistake. You most certainly will be voted off right after. Learn to how speak Russian. Whoever speaks to you in a Russian accent, do anything they tell you to do, never question their authority. And take Bruno out for drinks the night before each performance.

GRACE: Look at you.

DISPIRITO: And also, never dance sober.

GRACE: Never -

(LAUGHTER)

DISPIRITO: Alcohol helps performance a lot.

MACMANUS: I`m on it.

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: What were they doing right there, Tristan?

DISPIRITO: No, don`t show that! Don`t show the ruffles I was talking about.

GRACE: OK. You know what you`re such an expert in the kitchen. How did that apply, or did it apply to the dance floor, your expertise in any way?

DISPIRITO: I`ve written three best-selling diet books. And if you dance like this every day, you`ll never have to worry about anything you eat. It`s the greatest health care program in the world. I mean, it just keeps you in such wonderful shape. But you know what the similarities between the kitchen and the ballroom, are the choreography and synchronizing the elements going on all the time. There is similarity.

GRACE: With me right now, Trista Stutter, contestant season one, reality star ABC`s "The Bachelorette." OK, Trista, we need tips. We`re heading into the Passe Doble. We need help. Help me out, Trista.

TRISTA STUTTER, CONTESTANT, DANCING WITH THE STARS SEASON ONE: Clearly you don`t need help from me, because I was voted off the first season or the first show of my season, and you`ve lasted three weeks so far. And besides the fact that I never did the Passe Doble. So I don`t know if I would be a huge help. But I do have to say that I wish one thing I would have done looking back, is revealing like you know the show has been on for, gosh, how many seasons, how many years now? And I was on the first. So I really never got to see the professionals doing it before I was on the show.

So I think watching tapes and just seeing maybe other women doing it, or doing Passe Doble or going out to a live performance or something like that, something like that. I`m a visual learner. I wish I would have learned from seeing it done by the professionals.

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GRACE: I need a strong instructor to explain it to me. And Tristan is great.

MACMANUS: I`m trying to be as nice as possible as well. But I think people respond to assertiveness.

GRACE: Regular beatings until the morale improve.

MACMANUS: But I think people respond to assertiveness.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you so much for you votes and your e-mails. Phone calls, everything. Thank you.

GRACE: Tristan is such a great dancer, so as a partner.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They didn`t deserve to go home by any means. But you know it goes to show you nobody`s safe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know what, we have a competition, and everyone else has work to do.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This week we`re real I going to have to focus on rehearsals and work longer and really nail it down. Because I do not want to go home.

GRACE: I`ll never forget what it felt like to be there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ve got a partner that is so committed. I mean, I really hope that we take it as far as possible.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s always sad when someone goes home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We just started. God, already?

GRACE: We need your phone call votes, your e-mails. Thank you. Thank you. And we are going to give you the dance of a lifetime next week.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Boom.

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GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. Tristan and I are here. We`re all taking your calls, along with Holly Madison, Helio Castroneves, Rocco Dispirito, Val and Trista. I want to go back now to Helio.

Helio, you managed to make it all the way. Every night, on Monday night when you danced, did you think that you were going to make it or did you think you were going to get thrown off that night?

CASTRONEVES: Well, you can`t just think if you`re going to make it or not make it. I just wanted to make sure I hit the right spot. You know the right music, and the right choreography. And again, it`s not in all you control you know. It`s about a little bit of the fans and the judge again; they help give you a little bit of direction, what you`ve got to improve for the next time. So, I certainly, when you`re going into the second day, on Tuesday, that you don`t know who is going to be voted off, it is nerve- racking. But again -

GRACE: Let me ask you this, Helio. But are ever held in jeopardy?

CASTRONEVES: I believe I was in the bottom two. But I was in kind of like the bottom three. And it was tough. But at the end of the day, you know, I was just keep trying to do my best, and trying to listen to my partner. Because trust me, I had many, many times a discussion with -

GRACE: Whoa, wait, wait, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Trista, did you see what he just did? Did you see him jump over her? Because in our practices, I seem to be doing all the jumping and all the hard steps. He just - oh, OK. Don`t look at that. Don`t look at that part.

MACMANUS: There you go.

CASTRONEVES: Jumping helps sometimes.

MACMANUS: The same reason he did --

GRACE: Whoa, look at that. I don`t know what you`re saying. Whenever I don`t want to hear what you`re saying, I just say I can`t understand you. OK, Holly Madison, how long did you make it? How many nights did you dance?

MADISON: Well, I was in for a month. So four weeks.

GRACE: That`s pretty good.

MADISON: I was called in at the last minute. So I had five days to practice before my first competition. I was just so grateful to have made it that long. It was so much fun. I had a blast.

GRACE: Were you ever held in jeopardy?

MADISON: Absolutely. I was down to the bottom two. Of course, the night I was kicked off. And then the week before. It`s so suspenseful, you know, with the red light they shine down and all the music they play, it`s crazy.

GRACE: And the heart beat. Hey Val, I want to go back to you. Everybody, with us professional dancer Season 13, Val. Val, do you remember that moment when you were down there in the bottom and they played that sound, is it like a ticking clock or heart beat?

CHMERKOVSKIY: I don`t know.

GRACE: What was going through your head while you were standing down there?

CHMERKOVSKIY: I was just, you know, pleading with Elizabeth to stop squeezing my hand. She was squeezing my fingers, to be honest.

GRACE: Is that what you were doing? When I was standing at the bottom, I`m having all these thoughts, and you were asking her to stop squeezing your hand? Do you know how many men in this world would want her to squeeze your hand? And you`re saying don`t squeeze my hand. You know what, I wish I hadn`t even - not that hard- I wish I hadn`t even asked.

Hey Rocco, were you ever held in jeopardy?

DISPIRITO: I think I was born in jeopardy, and I still am in jeopardy. I was in jeopardy every week. I don`t know how I made it five weeks. I honestly don`t. It was like a miracle that I made it five weeks. I should have been thrown out in the opening credits, for the bad dancing I did.

GRACE: I`m looking at you right now. We`ve got you back up in your pink ruffles. I just want you to know that.

DISPIRITO: You`re torturing me.

GRACE: You look pretty good. I want to go back to -

DISPIRITO: Wait until you see the ruffles come off.

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: OK, Val, I want to ask you, because a lot of our viewers have called in. They want to know, what is your dance training?

CHMERKOVSKIY: My dance training?

GRACE: Yes.

CHMERKOVSKIY: I`ve been born dancing since I was 7 years old. I`ve taken, you know, interest in other forms of dance. Not extensively, but I`m just very creative. And I love music, and I love expressing myself to music.

GRACE: Did you ever dance with your brother?

CHMERKOVSKIY: With, like with my brother? Or next to my brother?

GRACE: No, no, train with him, did you ever train with him?

CHMERKOVSKIY: Of course. My brother is my, he`s my teacher. He was my, I guess my idol, somebody that I looked up to. And he guided me through a lot things and I`m here today. And it`s a grace because of my brother in a lot of ways.

GRACE: Well actually, you`re here because of your own expertise.

Quick break, we`re going in to CNN heroes.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi Everybody, I`m Wynona (ph). And as a proud supporter of wounded warrior project, I`m very committed to help in our nation`s wounded heroes.

Now, I`m thrilled to help introduce one of this year`s top 10 CNN heroes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In (inaudible) Texas, football is very important. It`s like a religion.

EDDIE CONALES, CNN HEROES: It was senior night. Chris was having the game of his life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was the fourth quarter. I made a touch saving a tackle on. I can hear my teammates saying, Chris come one let`s go. I couldn`t move.

CONALES: You don`t want to think your son may never walk again. It was a hard pill to swallow. I`m Eddie Canales. My goal is to be there for young men that suffered spinal cord injuries playing high school football.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We hear about an injury, we go to the family as soon as we can.

CONALES: Since we started, we worked with 19 families just in the state of Texas.

We help them get ramps into homes, wheelchair accessible vehicles. Someone injured on the professional level will be taken care of. But on a high school level, it is a totally different story. We wanted to make sure these kids are not forgotten.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re a band of brothers. Our biggest bond is football.

CONALES: They are on the gridiron, but never quit, never given up. That`s why it keeps me pushing.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dancing the waltz, Nancy Grace and her partner Tristan MacManus.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Soft and dreamy like a mother`s embrace.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It felt to me like a live action lullaby.

GRACE: And we are going to give you, a dance of a lifetime next week.

GRACE: Can you river dance?

MACMANUS: Yes. If there`s a river dance coming up, we should be all right.

GRACE: OK, we`ll be OK with that.

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GRACE: We are here taking your calls. We have an all-star cast from "dancing with the stars" lined up. Let`s talk to Tristan MacManus who came up with the title team Mac-Grace so he could have his name first.

Alright, we heard about Val. What`s your training? I want to get to the bottom of this. Think, think, think, think, think.

MACMANUS: I started dancing when I was about nine I think. Ma and dad took me with my sister to learn.

GRACE: Your grandparents were professional dancers, right?

MACMANUS: Well, they were dancers all right, and so it was a big family thing. They all took us along. I danced competitively until I was about 18 or 19.

GRACE: Is it true, Tristan MacManus that your mother had to take down portraits and pictures on the walls so she could use that space for all of your trophies and awards in dancing?

MACMANUS: False.

GRACE: It`s true.

MACMANUS: I won that many trophies. I won a few all right, but even if I hadn`t.

GRACE: But you said I haven`t won any, and then I won a few. Which one is the truth, Tristan?

MACMANUS: I won a few. I wouldn`t have put them up in the house anyway because people didn`t know I danced until I was 16 or 17.

GRACE: It was a closely guarded secret.

MACMANUS: I played football. I was playing football.

GRACE: Can you look at the camera?

MACMANUS: Playing football in the morning and going to dance.

GRACE: Secret dance lessons?

MACMANUS: Yes. Had to hide on the pictures.

GRACE: Why?

MACMANUS: Because at the time it wasn`t something cool to do. I wasn`t mature enough to decide you can make your own decisions and do what you want like I am now.

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GRACE: Everyone, let`s stop and remember Marine Lance Corporal Myles Cody Sebastian, 21, Opelousas, Louisiana, killed in Iraq on a second tour. Awarded bronze star, Navy and Marine Corps achievement medal. Two riffle expert badges. Loved barbecue and crawfish. He friend everyone he met, believed in integrity, trust, honesty, loyalty.

Leaves behind parents Ramona and Danny, sisters Laura and Carissa, Miles Cody Sebastian. What a fine young man, American hero.

Thanks to all of our guests, but especially to you for being with us.

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night. We will be here in L.A. in our own way seeking justice. And until then, 8:00 sharp Eastern. Good night, friend.

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