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"Planned Parenthood" Funding Fury; Royal Invite; Interview With Cheryl Burke

Aired February 21, 2011 - 22:00:00   ET


JOY BEHAR, HOST: The new "Sports Illustrated" swim suit issue is out and can I just say that no matter how hard I work, no matter how many presidents I`ve interviewed, no matter how many degrees I have, ultimately I`m just objectified as a piece of meat by this magazine. I`ve had it. It`s ridiculous.

I have Wolf Blitzer on my speed dial. I go to the gym with Anderson Cooper. I mean I share a therapist with Eliot Spitzer. My God, what do I have to do? It`s outrageous, I`m calling a lawyer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, after two congresswomen tell deeply personal stories about an unplanned pregnancy and an abortion, the House votes to end funding for Planned Parenthood. Joy thinks it`s a travesty for women`s health and has something to say about it.

Then, Prince William and Kate Middleton send their royal wedding invitations but Fergie didn`t get one. Maybe they sent it to the other Fergie by mistake. Stick around to find out who else didn`t make the cut.

Plus, Cheryl Burke tells Joy how she went from being sexually abused as a child to becoming the face of "Dancing with the Stars".

That and more starting right now.

BEHAR: There was a major assault against Planned Parenthood in the House of Representatives Friday when it voted to strip the family planning organization of federal funding. The Pence Amendment infuriated many on the left, prompting two Democratic congresswomen to deliver very personal speeches on the floor.

One of those women was Representative Gwen Moore of Wisconsin. Watch this.


REP. GWEN MOORE (D), WISCONSIN: I had my first baby at the ripe old age of 18, an unplanned pregnancy. I just want to tell you a little bit about what it`s like to not have Planned Parenthood. You have to add water to the formula to make it stretch. You have to give your kids ramen noodles at the end of the month to fill up their little bellies so they won`t cry. You have to give them mayonnaise sandwiches. They get very few fresh fruits and vegetables because they`re expensive.

The public policy has treated poor children and women who have not had the benefit of Planned Parenthood with utter contempt.


BEHAR: Here with me now are Congresswoman Gwenn Moore herself from Madison, Wisconsin where she is tackling the state`s budget issue; plus Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America. Welcome, ladies, to the show.

Ok. Representative Moore, tell me what drove you to finally stand up on Thursday and deliver that great speech on the floor?

MOORE: Listen, Joy, I had not even planned to speak, but I was infuriated to hear my colleagues in a very disingenuous way suggest that the only services that Planned Parenthood offered people were terminations of pregnancy. It really projects some many lies and misrepresentations.

Planned Parenthood is part of why we`re all standing here today. These have been hard fought rights, human and civil rights to determine your own destiny and to have control over your lives.

And I wasn`t about to just sit still in my seat and listen to people with their own corporate interests, their only spin on American values to set the tone.

BEHAR: Good for you. Thank you for doing that.

Cecile, explain to people who are watching, what the Republicans want to take away, which by the way, you -- everybody out there should know, that there is no federal funding for abortion. We are not talking about abortion here. We`re talking about what -- what do they want to talk away?

CECILE RICHARDS, PRESIDENT, PLANNED PARENTHOOD FEDERATION OF AMERICA: That`s right. Well, 97 percent of Planned Parenthood services which are preventive care, cancer screenings for breast and cervical cancer, birth control, STD testing and treatment. For so many women who come to Planned Parenthood, 60 percent of them, we`re the only doctor or medical care they`ll receive all year. And it`s their basic preventive care.

And that`s what the Republican leadership last week stripped from millions of American women.

BEHAR: Ok. Now, Representative Moore, where do these representatives expect these women to go if they can`t go to Planned Parenthood anymore? Where are they going to get these services?

MOORE: You know, I can tell you that we have seen a constant thing that if they don`t have anywhere to go, so be it. We asked them the same question about protecting clean air and clean water. They stripped the funds from that. Mr. Boehner was asked where people were going to go, like these workers here. Hundreds of thousands of people were losing not only their jobs, but their rights. And their mantra is "so be it".

I do think that "So be it" is their mantra. And so we`re seeing a very corporatist climate emerging. And this is why I`m so glad to see people hit the streets. We`re out here in freezing cold weather here in Wisconsin. We`re used to it and there`s nothing that`s going to stop us from speaking up for our human rights and workers rights. This is what it means to be an American.

BEHAR: Do you think, Congresswoman, that "so be it" really means we don`t care? Who cares? Is that what "So be it" really means.

MOORE: That`s what "so be it" means. You know, I have, you know, there are buttons that many members are wearing that say, "so be it" on it because that`s the theme -- that`s the message that many of our colleagues and our colleagues on the other side want to convey.

I do think that -- I do think it`s important to realize that it`s a double message to say that you don`t want to support Planned Parenthood services and at the same time, you want to repeal the health care law, and so not provide any medical services for women at all.

To say that you want to zero out WIC, women and infants and children`s funding for food and then say you want children to be born. I think that their message is inevitably then "so be it", if these children die. They care very much for children in the womb, but boy, junior, once you crown, once you`re born, you are part of the ownership society when you`re on your own.

BEHAR: Right. They don`t seem to care about it after the child is born. It`s like -- but you know, I think that one of the things I think is going on is even though Planned Parenthood, Cecile, doesn`t offer abortions for -- with taxpayer money, the fact is that Planned Parenthood does provide abortion if you pay for it yourself or if insurance pays for it.

RICHARDS: Correct.

BEHAR: Is that the real reason that they`re targeting Planned Parenthood because of the abortion services?

RICHARDS: I think it`s actually that. I think we saw that in Congress last week where they basically said, look, if you would just quit providing this legal service that some women need, and again, it`s a very small part of what we do but it is -- we believe it`s an important service to women. If you would just quit doing that, we would give you all the family planning money that you possibly could need.

And I think that`s -- the (INAUDIBLE) of all of this is it`s really taking women`s health care and making it a very political issue.

BEHAR: Yes. Well, they`ve always done that.

RICHARDS: That`s right.

BEHAR: They`ve always done that.

RICHARDS: That`s what I think as a result -- and I think you really spoke to this -- what`s going to happen as a result of this? If this bill ever becomes law, millions of women in this country are going to lose their health care access, not to abortion services, to basic family planning. You know, mammograms, cancer screenings, cervical cancer.

BEHAR: All the things that women need and people can`t afford.

RICHARDS: Exactly, that`s the irony of this. We just spent this last year talking about the need to get more people health care coverage. Millions of women now would have absolutely no health care coverage in this country and nowhere to go.

BEHAR: But it`s illogical what they`re doing because if you are not going to help people with birth control, you`re going to have more abortions. Don`t they think of that?

RICHARDS: Well that -- and I said that point --

BEHAR: So besides being evil and immoral and unethical, they`re also stupid.

RICHARDS: Well, I think Congressman Lynch was fabulous last week. He opposes abortion but he`s spoken in defense of Planned Parenthood because he said, you know, Planned Parenthood does more to prevent unintended pregnancy than any other organization in America. So let`s get fund Planned Parenthood, get family planning to women so we can to reduce unintended pregnancy in America.

BEHAR: Exactly.

RICHARDS: One in five women, Joy, comes to Planned Parenthood at some point in their lifetime. We are a mainstream provider; we are an American value in this country.

And I think what we`re seeing, just the backlash since the vote in the House has been unbelievable. We`ve had -- I just counted 466,000 women who have e-mailed Congress just since Friday saying you cannot eliminate Planned Parenthood from the public health care system.

BEHAR: Good. Ok. What else can outraged women and citizens -- men and women, of course, who are watching -- what else can we all do? Because sometimes, you`re sitting at home and you hear this. Go ahead Gwen, you want to talk.


MOORE: Well, Joy, you know, I think the other piece of this is that it`s the law of the land. Whether -- and I think Representative Lynch really pointed that out -- whether you believe in abortion or not, you know many people don`t have abortions. It`s totally untrue that abortion clinics and Planned Parenthood are spread all over the inner city where black people live -- that is absolutely not true. But whether you believe in it or not, this is what has made America great, is that we have freedoms and we have rights here. This is what everybody in the entire world is trying to emulate now.

BEHAR: That`s right. Exactly.

MOORE: And so that you can get your own private health care. Planned Parenthood is so essential. Many women would never know that they had cancer if it weren`t for Planned Parenthood.

BEHAR: Before we go, I don`t want to be remiss because I want people out there to know what they can personally do to counteract this type of legislation.

RICHARDS: I`m so glad you asked --


RICHARDS: Absolutely -- everyone can make a difference because this bill now goes to the United States Senate and the Senate needs to hear from every woman in America and every man who believes in family planning, preventive screening from Planned Parenthood.


BEHAR: So where did they go?

MOORE: You could go to or on IStandWithPlannedParenthood or go to us on Facebook. That`s where thousands and thousands of people are going now. And I have to say, 3,000 women have written in their own personal stories about the difference Planned Parenthood made in their lives.

It`s really touching.

BEHAR: Ok, I really appreciate you coming --

MOORE: Thank you so much.

BEHAR: -- and sharing this story and getting the word out to all the women out there. Thank you very much.


BEHAR: And we`ll be right back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW. Invitations are out for the royal wedding. Stay tuned to find out who made the cut and who was snubbed.


BEHAR: The invitations have gone out for the wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton and while David Beckham and Elton John are going to the wedding, President Obama and Sarah Ferguson are not.

Joining me from London is Mark Saunders, a CNN contributor and royal biographer and Eloise Parker, editor of "Ok" magazine. Mark, 1,900 invitations, is there a cash bar at least?

MARK SAUNDERS, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: 1,900 invitations, we -- we can actually, we can actually account for about 500 of those invitations. So we`re 1,400 missing. I`m hoping "Ok" magazine will fill us on that low.

BEHAR: Well, "Ok" magazine is here to tell us a lot. I mean, for example, Elton is going. The Beckhams are going.



BEHAR: But President --

SAUNDERS: No confirmation on the Beckhams yet. No confirmation --


BEHAR: Oh believe me they`re going to go. What? Are you going to say no? They can`t say no, they`ll be there. Don`t worry about it.


BEHAR: So what about President Obama? Why didn`t they invite them?

PARKER: Well, the Obamas haven`t really --


SAUNDERS: First --

PARKER: We`re told it`s (INAUDIBLE) to call. This isn`t a state occasion, but he will be going for a state visit in May, which is something that the U.S. President has done since I think 2003.


PARKER: So he`ll get his moment in the sun in the U.K.

BEHAR: So it`s not -- it`s a -- not an insult to not invite Obama?


PARKER: It`s not so much of a snub it`s protocol, right, Mark?

BEHAR: Mark?

SAUNDERS: No, I -- I`m not so sure. It seems obviously as we know, these save the dates messages went out a couple of weeks ago. I think the President -- the Oval Office probably said he -- he wasn`t available. It`s obviously not a snub. But it is -- it`s inconceivable not to invite the President and his wife to an event such as this.

But on the other hand, I was thinking about it, there wasn`t a president of the last big royal wedding. There wasn`t a president when the queen got married back in `47.


SAUNDERS: Maybe this royal family is still smarting over a large chunk of real estate that you guys stole off them in 1776.

BEHAR: I know, bitter, bitter, you know.

Now what about --



BEHAR: -- now what about Fergie? Why wasn`t she invited? I mean, you know, she is an in-law. Even if they are divorce and her children are going to the wedding. Mark, isn`t that nasty of them to not invite Fergie?

SAUNDERS: This is the burning question. It`s -- it`s -- you know, the drums are beating all across London tonight. Everybody is trying to find an answer to why Fergie wasn`t invited.

It`s an enormous snub because remember, she`s attended events with Andrew and her children in the past. There is no great disgrace in this country, right, when it comes to divorce anymore. And it would have been so easy to have invited her.

All I can think of is that Princess Diana and Fergie did fall out big time just before Diana died. Maybe William is still hurting. I -- I`m not sure --


BEHAR: Well --

SAUNDERS: -- but that`s all I can think of.

BEHAR: -- but Mark, why isn`t William still hurting over the fact that Camilla, his new step mother, slept with his father while he was married to his mother and she`s going to the wedding?

SAUNDERS: Because I think that they are old enough to understand that sometimes, these things do happen. And Charles, you can say he did love Camilla then, he still loves her now. But I -- I`m -- I`m sure William and Harry have both accepted Camilla.

Painfully to begin with possibly but it does appear that -- that Charles and the artist formerly known as Camilla Parker Bowles are happy and -- and -- and do seem to be taking on more and more royal roles these days as the queen gets older, she`s relinquishing a lot of work to Charles and Camilla. And in turn they will pass a lot of work down to William and Katherine.

BEHAR: Do you think Charles is ever going to be king? I mean, Elizabeth is going to live forever. She`s never going to die.


PARKER: He will -- he will --

SAUNDERS: Oh -- yes.

PARKER: Mark, do you want to answer that one?

SAUNDERS: Sorry, sorry, sorry.

PARKER: I mean he certainly will be in the position to become king. It`s not his choice to not become king whether he stays on the throne and how long he stays on the throne. That`s the question.

BEHAR: Yes, I know, he could be 80 when he goes on the throne and then have a heart attack, poor thing after all these years of waiting for her to go. I mean, it`s really awful.

Now, the -- the Obama didn`t get invited. This annoyed me. Dignitaries from the Middle East are all invited. Is that Mark, is that because they are royal or because the Brits want -- want to placate the Muslim population in London?

SAUNDERS: Well, I understand there have been 40 foreign royals invited. The King of Bahrain has let it be known he may well be detained elsewhere on April 29th.

BEHAR: Oh, exactly.

SAUNDERS: And -- we, I mean, to begin with, I thought this was going to be an ultramodern, chic royal wedding, looking to the future. The guest list I`m looking at it appears to be a -- a class reunion of the treaty of Versailles.

We`ve got the -- King Michael of Romanian -- King Michael of Romania; the Romanians haven`t had a monarchy since 1947. We`ve got King Constantine of Greece, the Greece have got one better, they haven`t had a monarchy since 1946. We`ve got the king of Tonga, the king of Andorra (ph), I can`t find these places on the map. I`m not so sure anybody else can.

BEHAR: Yes and yet President Obama is not invited. I am ticked off and Fergie should go. And those are my last words. Thank you guys, very much. Ta-ta Mark. We`ll be back in a minute.


BEHAR: Nearly 20 years have passed since comedian Sam Kinison died in a tragic car crash. But his legacy lives on. And thanks to new DNA tests, it looks like his legacy also includes a daughter that no one knew was his until now.

Joining me is comedian Carl Labove who was Sam Kinison`s best friend. Hey, Carl, how are you?

CARL LABOVE, COMEDIAN: Good Joy. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.

BEHAR: Ok. Now, you were Sam`s best friend. In fact, you were there with him when he died in the tragic car accident I mentioned, but you two had a lot more in common than people realized. Would you like to explain that to our audience?

LABOVE: Well, I found out a year after his death that he had fathered my daughter, who was 4 at the time.

BEHAR: You found out a year after he died; you thought the baby was yours?

LABOVE: Correct. Yes. I sure did, of course.

BEHAR: How did that all happen? He was sleeping with your wife, no doubt.

LABOVE: That`s usually how it happens.

BEHAR: Yes. And then a year -- so, she`s passes the baby on as your baby and a year later, you find out it`s Sam Kinison`s baby. So how did you react to that, I`m wondering?

LABOVE: I wasn`t very happy.

BEHAR: No? Were you angry? Were you angry, Carl?

LABOVE: Of course I was. I mean I was devastated. We`re talking about at the time, a 14-year friendship. We started out together. So we had survived living on the streets.

You know what it`s like to start on comedy. I mean we stole fruit from the bars at night just to eat and slept in my car and, you know, we survived for a very long time and then with the Rodney Dangerfield special, it changed our lives. And of course, Sam became huge and I was his head writer and his best friend. We never lived more than a mile apart.

So that 14-year journey was a phenomenal trip and after he died, I was devastated, obviously, and started my life all over again. And I was separated from my wife a year after Angelica was born. So I paid child support for three years and once -- you know, a year after Sam passed, I couldn`t make my bills, so I called my ex to explain to her that I was having a tough time and that`s when she told me that Sam had fathered my child.

BEHAR: I see. Now, you had been paying child support all these years even though your ex admitted the child was Sam`s. Why?

LABOVE: Correct. Because I`m stuck in a system that won`t allow DNA to get me out of child services -- I`m trapped in a hell. I`ve been fighting this battle for 17 years. But I had no proof, only the story. She told me that Sam was the father of the child, but I had no way of proving this.

BEHAR: Ok. But now, you have DNA to prove it.

LABOVE: Correct. Not only do I have DNA to prove it, but I also have DNA that proves that Sam was the father and I don`t know, they told me I couldn`t legally say that because DNA just proves that she is a part of the Kinison family.

But I know that she didn`t sleep with Richard. I know that she didn`t sleep with Bill and Sam was the only one that had a key to my house.

BEHAR: So there you are. I mean ipso facto, it`s Sam`s baby. Do you hold any kind of a grudge against Sam for this? I mean it did screw up your life quite a bit.

LABOVE: Of course I did. Anytime there`s treachery in your life and you find out that what you thought was real, wasn`t, you`re devastated. It took its toll on me. My life has been altered unbelievably.

BEHAR: So now, will the Kinison family reimburse you at all now? Anything?

LABOVE: No, I don`t want them -- I`m not looking for them to reimburse me. I want no money from this. I want them to tell the truth to the court so they should take responsibility for Sam`s daughter and I want Sam`s daughter to get her name.

BEHAR: Ok. All right Carl.

LABOVE: I want nothing from this. I can make my own living. I just want to be able to keep my own money.

BEHAR: Of course. Ok Carl. Thanks, good luck. Good luck to you.

LABOVE: Thank you so much.

BEHAR: It`s been a rough ride for you. Ok. And you`re a very funny guy. Larry and I were talking about how funny you are, Larry Amorose. You`re very funny.

LABOVE: Great. Thanks.

BEHAR: Ok. Thanks very much. Ok. We`ll be right back.

A.J. HAMMER, HLN HOST, "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT": Tonight on "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT", Miley versus Daddy? Miley`s headline making new comments -- did she take a big old swipe at her dad, Billy Ray? At 11:00 p.m. Eastern and Pacific on HLN.


BEHAR: A whopping 1,900 invitations to the upcoming wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton have gone out, but the controversial Fergie, duchess of York, isn`t invited, even though Kanye West was. Call me crazy, but something tells me Queen Elizabeth isn`t Kanye`s gangster bitch.

With me now to discuss this and other stories in the news are Rob Shuter, AOL Popeater columnist. Comedian Judy Gold and my bitch.


BEHAR: And Lisa Birnbach, author, "True Prep: A Whole New Old World." She wrote that. Hello.




BEHAR: Talking about Fergie. That`s a kind of a snub.

SHUTER: A total snub. Wasn`t invited. The invites went out yesterday by royal mail, so they`re literally going to go through people`s post boxes, and the duchess didn`t get an invite.

BEHAR: Well, I mean, the daughters are going, Beatrice and Eugenie--


GOLD: She`s like their aunt.

BIRNBACH: It`s the mafia, I think, the royal family. She`s out. Once you`re out, you`re out.

BEHAR: Boy, oh boy.

SHUTER: What they would argue--

BEHAR: What would they argue?


SHUTER: They`ve give her a lot of chances, that she`s messed up several times, and trying to sell access to the prince is the latest scandal. So I think that she`s finally out of that family for good.

BEHAR: But there was also this rumor that because she didn`t get along with Diana towards the end, that they didn`t want her there. But excuse me, Camilla took the husband, the father, away from Diana. She`s at the wedding.


BEHAR: I mean, they`re hypocrites. They`re hypocrites. I`m standing up for Fergie.


BEHAR: I like the way she sang "The Star-Spangled Banner" also.


BEHAR: Wait a second, what about this? The dress code on the invitation. It says morning coat or lounge suit. Is this a royal wedding or a `70s night at (inaudible)?


BEHAR: What`s with the lounge suit?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The lounge suit is not a polyester thing with the --


SHUTER: No, it`s a British way of saying smock, that people have to dress (ph) very smart. There is a dress code at this. Most people will be in morning suits. However, as the evening goes on, it gets a little less formal. So maybe you can take your tie off.

GOLD: So people bring outfits?

SHUTER: I think -- Kate is going to change dresses. Like I think she`s going to be one of those royals who gets married in one dress, and then changes for the party.

BIRNBACH: But there are also three parties and each party gets smaller and smaller. So the question is, how many will Kanye get to go to?


GOLD: Let`s hope Kanye doesn`t interrupt while they`re doing their --


BEHAR: Well, you know, you say that she`ll change into another outfit like other royals. I mean, the housewives of Beverly Hills do that.


SHUTER: The rumor told (ph) me (ph) one of the outfits is she`s going to be wearing a Victoria Beckham dress.


BEHAR: Well, she won`t eat much.



GOLD: I hope Harry doesn`t dress up like a Nazi.


SHUTER: That would not be (inaudible), because he is the best man, and naughty Harry is throwing the bachelor party for the --


GOLD: That`s going to be great.

BEHAR: And they`re worried about Fergie?


BEHAR: OK, now, what about Justin Bieber? It`s been a very bad week for the boy. I mean, he was passed over at the Grammys, then he was shot down on CSI. Take a look. But warning, it`s graphic. Watch.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anybody hurt? Get down on your knees!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Quiet (ph), he`s got a bomb!




BEHAR: Luckily, his hair is back where it belongs.


BEHAR: I mean, this kid, you know, the tweens go crazy. You know, if anybody says a bad thing about him, I`m scared of them.

SHUTER: When he lost the Grammy awards, they hacked the Facebook page of the lady that won. They went absolutely nuts. His fans are really rabid.

GOLD: By the way, he`s invited to the royal wedding.


BIRNBACH: A 13-year-old girl -- You want to talk about a scary opponent -- a 13-year-old rabid Bieber fan.

BEHAR: A tween.

BIRNBACH: Yeah, a tween.

BEHAR: Yeah, I`m more worried about them than the Taliban.


BIRNBACH: Yes, but the thing about the Bieber is, we never heard of him. He emerges as a human being out of the forehead of Don Kershner or something--


BIRNBACH: Oh, right. And now, we have to make him as famous as possible and overuse him, right?

GOLD: But then they`re asking him questions about abortion and health care. Who cares what he thinks about? Ask him questions about what he knows about, like gel, hair gel.



BEHAR: You could make the case that young people need to express their opinions, also.

BIRNBACH: If they have them.

GOLD: If they can read. Does he even go to school? He`s not even--

BEHAR: He`s probably home schooled.


BEHAR: There`s a hairdresser on retainer. I mean, he`s what do you call it, "Rolling Stone" magazine basically left out an entire sentence.


BEHAR: That was wrong of them, wasn`t it?

SHUTER: If you sit down with "Rolling Stone," they don`t do interviews in an hour or 45 minutes. They spend the day with you. So they spent the whole day with him. Everything he said was on the record. And then he said something about abortion, but they left out a sentence.

BEHAR: They left out a sentence which kind of mitigated--


SHUTER: It did.

GOLD: In the case of rape, abortion in the case of rape, he said, he said something else after he said --


SHUTER: He did. He sort of tried to soften it. But "Rolling Stone" did cut it out. His people complained, and they inserted it.

GOLD: He has people.

SHUTER: So it`s back in, in the magazine, it`s just not (ph) on the web site.

BIRNBACH: OK, he has people.

SHUTER: A lot of them.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does he need people?

BIRNBACH: I don`t get it. It`s like asking Snooki how to fix the economy.


BEHAR: She knows. She knows.


BEHAR: OK, now, remember Faye Dunaway from the movie, "Mommy Dearest?"

GOLD: "Mommy Dearest," yes.

BEHAR: Let`s just look at it. I love this movie.


FAYE DUNAWAY, ACTRESS: No more hangers! What are wire hangers doing in this closet when I told you no wire hangers, ever!


BEHAR: I could just watch it over and over. Put it on a loop and give it to me on my death bed. OK, now, the woman has thrown a tantrum last week at a Hollywood hotel because they put her in a room with handicap sort of accessibilities. Do I look handicapped, she said? OK, what`s going on with Faye Dunaway, do you think?

GOLD: She`s out of her mind. It all came out that she had been taking--


BEHAR: That`s right.

GOLD: Let me tell you, I love the handicapped room. I`m too tall to sit on that toilet anyway. At least I have the bars to help me get up. I love that.


BEHAR: You want to hear something? Over at "The View," whenever we have models on the show, there`s pee on the seats.

GOLD: Is that true?


BEHAR: I asked Gretchen Bundchen (sic)--


BEHAR: I asked her or one of the other -- they are like -- she said, we are like giraffes and we pee on the seat because we can`t sit on them or something.


GOLD: If you`re very tall, it`s really hard to sit on that low seat.


GOLD: We got long legs.

BEHAR: So that`s it.

BIRNBACH: I am concerned about who released this story. Is Faye Dunaway so desperate for publicity that she -- her people, like Justin Bieber`s people--

BEHAR: Bieber`s people, yes.

BIRNBACH: The Bieber called "Page Six" or something and said, hey, guess what, we gave her rails?


BEHAR: She had a meltdown and then they probably --


BEHAR: -- is what probably happened.


SHUTER: -- she bought a coach seat, which a lot of celebrities do. They show (ph) up at the airport and expect to be upgraded, because they`re stars. So she bought a coach seat, turned up, wanted to be upgraded, she was told no. And then she fell asleep in her sleet (ph) and an air steward put some wire coat hangers--


BEHAR: Those airline stewards--

SHUTER: Are not to be messed with, not to be messed with.


BIRNBACH: They`re all trying to be famous, and they all will be.


BEHAR: -- just come in and slap her.


BEHAR: My sister, my brother, my sister, my mother.


BEHAR: OK, now, here`s another little thing that annoyed me this week. "Sports Illustrated" magazine, OK? They have it every month, I guess, how often does it come out?


BEHAR: The swimsuit, the regular one.


GOLD: No, it`s every week. I get it because I have two kids.

BEHAR: So one week comes this one, with the cute models on it, with all the swimsuits and the boobs and everything else. And they make more money that one week than they do the whole year.

GOLD: Right, then the whole year.

BEHAR: Now, this girl, you know she is miserable, this girl, she can`t be happy.


BEHAR: First of all, look at her. Who would be happy with that body?


BEHAR: No one. I would be suicidal if I had that body. But any way.

GOLD: We got it last week. I haven`t seen my 14-year-old since. The bathroom door--



GOLD: But you know what I did? I put that on the coffee table, it was on the coffee table, and then I picked my 9-year-old, had his homework books on top of it. And by mistake, I put his homework books and that in his backpack. I swear to God. And he comes out of school -- he`s like, hey, mommy, look--

BEHAR: Oh, my God.

GOLD: And I was like, I thought -- thank God he didn`t take it out in the middle of class.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That answers one key question about gay mothers.

GOLD: What?




SHUTER: -- for the issue, so it was lots of beautiful, beautiful girls there. She was actually quite funny. She`s a Russian girl. This one, Irina, is that her name?

BEHAR: Irina Shayk.

SHUTER: She was pretty funny.



BEHAR: Oh, my God. When Heidi Klum tells a joke--



BEHAR: Listen. You know what? This has nothing to do with sports. These models are from outer Slavovia. They have nothing to do with --


GOLD: I agree.

BEHAR: But I think--


BEHAR: You know what? Let the men have their fun. I`m not going to be a scold. I don`t care.

OK, thank you, everybody.



BEHAR: We`ll be back after a quick break. Oh, yes, Heidi Klum--


BEHAR: My next guest kicked butt when she first hit the dance floor on "Dancing With the Stars," so it`s hard to believe it wasn`t that long ago that Cheryl Burke was struggling to make ends meet. Watch her in action.


BEHAR: The phenomenal success of "Dancing with the Stars" changed her life, and she talks about it in her new book, "Dancing Lessons." Joining me now is Cheryl Burke. Hey, Cheryl, welcome to the show.


BEHAR: So you know, going through your book, it seems like times were tough for you before you got "Dancing With the Stars."

BURKE: Absolutely.

BEHAR: What were you doing?

BURKE: Well, I`ve always danced since I was a little girl. I started at the age of 4. And my mom got me into ballet and then switched to ballroom, but during that time, and I`ve been through many struggles, as my parents separated when I was a young girl.

BEHAR: How old were you?

BURKE: Two years old when my mom and dad separated.

BEHAR: There`s no good time to separate, is there?

BURKE: No. You know, that was really confusing to me. I thought, you know, did I do something wrong? I felt abandoned by my father. And you know, thank God my mom met a wonderful man whom she re-married, whom I call dad today. And at the age of 5, they needed hired help to help us around the house, drive me to school, and he at the age of 5, molested me.

BEHAR: Who did?

BURKE: The helper. The--

BEHAR: The helper.

BURKE: -- babysitter.

BEHAR: So, at 5 years old?


BEHAR: First of all, wow. That was quick, to hear you say that. First of all, did you ever see your biological father again?

BURKE: You know, we keep in touch, but it`s very rare. The last time I saw him was when I was 18 years old.

BEHAR: So, you`re sort of friendly with him? A little bit?

BURKE: When we talk, it`s like as if we just left off, but he`s more of like a distant friend than he is, I would say, my father.

BEHAR: Right. So, you`re 5 years old and you are molested by a stranger. He was sort of--

BURKE: He was a family friend. He was just a guy that helped us around the house, picked me up from school, go grocery shopping. He was kind of that fatherly figure to me when my parents were gone working.

BEHAR: Yes, because your father left, you felt abandoned.

BURKE: Right.

BEHAR: Yes. And did you tell anybody?

BURKE: Well, no, I didn`t. I didn`t tell anybody because I was scared to tell anybody.

BEHAR: You were scared.

BURKE: I didn`t want to feel that abandonment again.

BEHAR: Did he tell you not -- did he threaten you?

BURKE: No. He never threatened me nor did he physically ever hurt me. He did touch me inappropriately. I knew it was inappropriate.

BEHAR: It seemed weird to you as a child.

BURKE: It seemed weird, but I also felt like, you know, him comforting me and watching television with me, and -- it was confusing. I was so confused.

BEHAR: Of course, you were a baby.

BURKE: As to what to do.

BEHAR: You were a little girl. It`s disgusting.

BURKE: It is disgusting.

BEHAR: These people. What happened? Did your parents find out?

BURKE: My parents did find out through my stepsister. My stepsister also had the same experience--

BEHAR: Oh, with the same guy?

BURKE: With the same guy.

BEHAR: How old was she?

BURKE: She was four years older than me. So she was barely 10 years old. And he also did it to her friend as well, and her friend ended up telling my parents.

BEHAR: OK, now, so you had to testify against him when you were 6 years old. So tell me about that part.

BURKE: That was the scariest thing ever. You know, I was confused. I was there, you know, swearing under oath, wondering why am I here in the first place. You know, what did he do wrong -- yes, he did something wrong. There were just mixed feelings going through my head.

BEHAR: What about your sister? What -- did she have to testify too?

BURKE: She did testify. I wasn`t in the room.

BEHAR: And so he went to jail.

BURKE: He went to jail.

BEHAR: For how long?

BURKE: I think 20 some years.

BEHAR: But I heard that he`s out.

BURKE: He`s out.

BEHAR: Now what? He`s out there again?

BURKE: Now what? Well, now, I`m guessing he`s in his 90s, and I know--

BEHAR: No -- no -- how old was he then?

BURKE: Well, 20 years ago, so--

BEHAR: He was in his 70s 20 years ago?

BURKE: Late 60s, 70s, early 70s.

BEHAR: Dirty pig.

BURKE: And then the last time -- that time I heard--

BEHAR: It makes me angry to hear stories like that. But go ahead.

BURKE: Last time I heard of him was when he went to my father`s dental practice a couple years back and said, I never did that to your kid.

BEHAR: Of course, he`s going to deny it. You know, they`re very much the liars, these people, as well as, you know, perverts. Were you worried when you heard he was getting out?

BURKE: Absolutely. I mean, I was terrified. I didn`t know, you know, what he was going to go or where he was going to go. But it`s comforting to know that he`s old and he is basically crippled and he can`t harm me.

BEHAR: No, he can`t hurt you anymore, obviously.

BURKE: He won`t.

BEHAR: No, but you worry about other children out there.

BURKE: Absolutely.

BEHAR: And how do you feel -- that -- what impact do you think it had on you as you grew up? This particular trauma?

BURKE: Lots of insecurity and self-esteem issues. And no confidence in myself, which leads into the different relationships I`ve had in high school, those unavailable men, abusive relationships where I didn`t know where my boundaries were. Didn`t know where to stop.

BEHAR: Yes. Have you had some help?

BURKE: Absolutely.

BEHAR: Therapy?

BURKE: I`m still going through it.

BEHAR: You should.

BURKE: I`m still healing.

BEHAR: Yeah.

BURKE: And it`s something that I owe to myself for the rest of my life.

BEHAR: Yeah. I mean, you suffered two traumas. First, you were abandoned by your father. I hate to be a side-chair, you know, backseat driver here analyst, but you had the father leaving you, and then you had this happen to you. So you really did need a lot of treatment, and I hope you`re getting it.

BURKE: I am getting it.

BEHAR: And the girls out there who are watching--

BURKE: It`s never too late to get help.

BEHAR: No, when something happens to you--

BURKE: Even 20 years from now.

BEHAR: -- you need help.

BURKE: Absolutely.

BEHAR: OK. We`ll have more with Cheryl Burke in a minute.


BEHAR: I`m back with the very talented Cheryl Burke from "Dancing With the Stars." You just said to me there`s a lot of light in the book.

BURKE: There is.

BEHAR: Not just this period of molestation.

BURKE: No, no.

BEHAR: But "Dancing With the Stars" is interesting stuff. I mean, when you were dancing with Tom DeLay, you knew you were going to lose, right? Because he was dancing like he had stolen cash in his shoes.

BURKE: Well, in his defense, he had two fractured feet.

BEHAR: He did?

BURKE: Yes. That`s what he said. And so we had to bow out early. But you know, that Republican vote, I`m thinking we would have stayed a lot longer.

BEHAR: Yeah, right. Well, how do you think Bristol Palin stayed on so long?

BURKE: Exactly. I think we would have lasted up to the finals.

BEHAR: The Tea Party are out there voting.

BURKE: Right.

BEHAR: You know? All right, now, this other thing, you know, you`re such a pretty girl. And I was reading that they did a number on you in a picture of you in a bikini, which they also did to Jennifer Love Hewitt and other girls.

BURKE: Yes, yes.

BEHAR: You know, this is why I go to the beach in a burka.


BEHAR: Because I know that they are going to take a picture of my thighs. I know it. So -- but they don`t care about me anymore, but a young girl like you, they put it out there. I think it`s so cruel.

BURKE: It is cruel. And you know, the worst part about the whole thing was that they came out with this when I was in the middle of the season. So I had to go on, wear the outfits we wear, smile, and pretend that, oh, it`s all right, that doesn`t hurt.

BEHAR: It`s so mean.

BURKE: But it is really mean and it`s cruel. And it`s, you know, I`m really insecure, you know.

BEHAR: But they said you were fat, and you`re not fat. You are a dancer. You can`t be fat when you`re a dancer

BURKE: Well, that`s what they were saying, I`m too fat to be a dancer.

BEHAR: But you were dancing right in front of their faces.

BURKE: Exactly. I don`t understand.

BEHAR: And did you try to lose weight?


BURKE: Absolutely. I tried to starve myself for a day, but that didn`t work.


BURKE: I love food way too much.

BEHAR: Good.

BURKE: You know what? I feel great and I`m healthy, and that`s all that matters.

BEHAR: You know, you`re one of those people from "Dancing With the Stars" that really shot to fame, I think, like, overnight. There`s a few of you like that, who are basically the professional dancers but you`re also famous. Tony Davelano (ph)?

BURKE: Dovolani.

BEHAR: Dovolani, who, you know, I did "Miss America" with him.

BURKE: Oh, yeah, yeah.

BEHAR: He`s a great guy.

BURKE: He is a great guy.

BEHAR: And he`s another guy who, you know, became famous for--


BURKE: Tony and I have been on since the second season. So this will be our 11th season coming up.

BEHAR: My God!

BURKE: Right.

BEHAR: So how did you handle all the instant fame? A lot of people have trouble with that.

BURKE: I still have trouble with it. You know, now I`m paranoid wearing a bikini. It`s like, do I always have to, like, look good, always walk, like, to the side so they get a good angle? You`re always paranoid about that.

BEHAR: I know.

BURKE: Or if you go out and have fun and you know, you stumble, then you`re a drunk. It`s like, what can you do.

BEHAR: Well, you know, just sort of roll with it, I guess.

BURKE: I know.

BEHAR: There`s nothing really you can do about it. What are you going to, stay home? You can`t stay home.


BEHAR: You don`t want to wear, you know--


BEHAR: -- on the beach.

BURKE: On the beach, no.

BEHAR: And the paparazzi which follow you everywhere. How are you handling the paparazzi?

BURKE: You know, it`s still scary, how do they know where you are?

BEHAR: They know.

BURKE: That--

BEHAR: They know where you are.

BURKE: That is creepy. And then sometimes they`ll follow you. So I have to constantly look in my rearview mirror, making sure that no one`s following me. And it`s, you know, it just makes me want to stay at home really, and just go do my job and then go home and invite my friends there.

BEHAR: Yeah. I mean, look at Lindsay Lohan, what they put her through. I mean, she`s got her issues, but they are relentless.

BURKE: They are mean.

BEHAR: They are mean.

OK, the new book is "Dancing Lessons." Pick it up. Good night, everybody.