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Dina Lohan Defends Daughter`s Partying; Public Scorn For Paris Hilton Unprecedented
Aired May 16, 2007 - 23:00:00 ET
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A. J. HAMMER, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT ANCHOR: Kathy Hilton`s controversial statement about her daughter Paris` jail sentence. And what Anna Nicole Smith really thought about her mother, straight from the pages of her secret diary. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York. TV`s most provocative entertainment news show starts right now.
On SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, Lindsay Lohan`s mother unplugged. Is Lindsay out of control or just misunderstood? Tonight, the outrageous things Lindsay`s mom is saying about her daughter`s partying and speaking out about pictures that allegedly show Lindsay doing a very bad thing.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would say she`s enabling a lot of the partying.
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HAMMER: Tonight SHOWBIZ TONIGHT reveals how Lindsay`s mom is trying to stick up for her daughter, but instead may be suffering from foot-in- mouth disease.
Stars losing baby weight really fast, ridiculously fast, unbelievably fast. Tonight, how in the world do stars like Heidi Klum and Katie Holmes go from the delivery room to red carpet so quickly? Is it safe? Are they setting a bad example? Tonight, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT with the incredible stories of superstars losing baby weight super fast.
Hello, I`m A.J. Hammer in New York. If you, like me, are one of those people who loves to hate Paris Hilton, trust me, you`ve got plenty of company. But just why do people love to hate Paris so much? All right, I realize, I just tossed a softball waiting to slammed over the fence, a slam dunk into the hoop. so, let`s play the Paris game together in just a few minutes.
But first tonight, Lindsay Lohan`s mother unplugged. The mother of Paris` bad girl in arms has had enough of all this talk about her daughter being out of control and now she`s speaking out like never before. She may have placed her foot firmly in her mouth in doing so. Dina Lohan really is trying to be the best dearest mommy to Lindsay, who`s life is all full of trouble, with a capital T.
HAMMER (voice-over): It`s really the best of times and the worst of times for Lindsay Lohan. She just topped "Maxim Magazine`s" hot 100 list and she`s been seen with a strapping new guy, British celebrity Kaylum Bess (ph). Oh, but then, there`s the worst.
LINDSAY LOHAN, ACTRESS: If you call me a name ever again, I will find all of your boyfriends and I can (EXPLETIVE DELETED) them stupid.
HAMMER: Her new movie "Georgia Rule" tanked in its opening weekend, her fourth consecutive flop. A freelance photographer is suing her, accusing her of hitting him with her during this getaway from a club. And most seriously of all, a British tabloid claims it has video of Lohan doing something that let`s just say looks illegal.
But now coming to her rescue is her mother and manager, 43 year old Dina Lohan in the new issue of "US Weekly."
IAN DREW, "US WEEKLY": She comes forward whenever there`s criticism of her and she makes no apologies for what she does. And she didn`t in the interview.
HAMMER: But SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can tell you, as Dina Lohan comes to her daughter`s defense, the famous manager mom is coming under attack herself. In the new issue of "Us Weekly Magazine," Dina Lohan addresses the alleged video saying, quote, "we`re not reading anything about it. You can`t let it bother you. We work so hard. Then some girl just tried to make money off her for that tape. Lindsay doesn`t even know who her friends are."
DREW: She did say that there were people around who were obviously not good people that were looking to capitalize and exploit her daughter.
HAMMER: Whether or not there is such a video, Lindsay`s past substance abuse issues are definitely raising eyebrows. She`s publicly brushed of her recent rehab stay. And not only has Lindsay reportedly not abandoned her famous party-hearty ways, her mother is defending them. Dina tells "US Weekly," the fun stuff, ie the premiers and parties her daughter goes to, quote, "is the fun part of the business. Regardless, of course, as a parent, you set boundaries and scold them."
She adds, "But there are these dark stories. She is so misunderstood. All she wants to do is act and have a somewhat normal life. When you`re 20, it`s normal to want to go to the Ivy, to go to the hot stores. She can`t live in a bubble.
DREW: Dina just always defends her daughter`s partying and she did it again this times, saying she`s a young girl. She`s out having fun. There`s nothing wrong with it.
HAMMER: But it`s that kind of talk that`s letting Dina criticized.
RACHEL SYNE, "RADAR MAGAZINE": She`s not playing a very strong parental role in Lindsay`s career. She`s kind of -- I would say she is enabling a lot of the partying and a lot of the behavior that people don`t like that`s happening with Lindsay, because she acts more like a sister. She acts more like a party buddy.
HAMMER: At the same time, Dina is being accused of trying to use her daughter`s fame to become a star herself. At the premiere of Lindsay`s movie "Georgia Rules," Dina worked the red carpet for a TV show. That move subjected her to the wrath of Rosie on a recent edition of "The View."
ROSIE O`DONNELL, "THE VIEW": It`s just sad to me that when you`re daughter is obviously struggling with some addiction issues, as the young girl obviously is, that the mother is posing with champagne in the back of "Vanity Fair" and doing interviews on the red carpet.
HAMMER: But Dina tells "US Weekly," she doesn`t care all that much about her daughter`s stardom saying, quote, "I`m a mother first. Everything could go away and I couldn`t care less."
DREW: Dina has told Lindsay to slow down. She`s given her motherly advice. But at the same time, she can`t do too much, because Lindsay`s in control of her own life now. She`s above 18. She`s no longer a minor. So Dina realizes that she needs to also have that growing time for herself.
HAMMER: But "Radar Magazine`s" Rachel Syne tells SHOWBIZ TONIGHT Dina Lohan needs to step up and step in.
SYNE: When you`re a teenager, I think any parent would tell you that one of the most important things is to have someone that`s in your life that`s a parent figure that says you can`t do that. You can`t be out every night drinking and getting into trouble. And Lindsay doesn`t have someone like that in her life. If anything, she has someone who encourages her to go out and do it more.
HAMMER: And as Lohan`s life and career seems to be careening out of control, the biggest question now is whether her mother manager can manage to save Lindsay from herself.
HAMMER: Well, the new "US Weekly" will be on newsstands this Friday. All right, I`ve got a news flash for all you SHOWBIZ TONIGHT fans watching right now. Most of you just love to hate Paris Hilton. And you certainly don`t feel badly about the fact that she`s about to begin a 45-day jail sentence for violating her probation. We`ve been absolutely overwhelmed by the response to the question we asked you last night on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. Here it is, Paris Hilton traumatized; do you feel sorry for her?
Look at the results, the most lopsided response we`ve ever gotten as long as we`ve been doing this little show; 98 percent of you said absolutely not. Only 2 percent of you said yes and I`ve got to wonder whether that was Paris and her friends banging away at the keyboards.
Joining me tonight from New York "Star Magazine" news and style editor at large Jill Dobson. Also in New York, celebrity journalist David Caplan. David, Jill, it`s good to see you both. Let`s dig right in, shall we? And when I say we were overwhelmed by the response to our question of the day, I wasn`t kidding. I mean, we only have so many interns who can only count so much. Double the amount of votes that we normally get on any given night. Jill, are you surprised by that?
JILL DOBSON, "STAR MAGAZINE": I`m not. People feel very strongly about this Paris Hilton situation. And people have been watching her for years, and she`s come to represent everything that`s wrong with the world of celebrity culture and the idea of people who have money and who have fame getting more than the rest of us get in all aspects of life. And people really resent her for that. And everywhere I go, people are saying Paris deserves the time in jail.
What`s interesting is that they`re not saying she deserves it for the DUI and not following the probation. They`re just saying it because they don`t like her.
HAMMER: Yes, David, I know people come up to me in the street to talk about this story. The only other story that provoked such a response recently was Anna Nicole Smith dying. But I wasn`t surprised at all that we received such a huge response. It probably makes as much sense to you.
DAVID CAPLAN, CELEBRITY JOURNALIST: Yes, absolutely. The thing with Paris Hilton is she`s an easy target. The interesting thing is here is that her celebritiness is not being created by anything artistic like most celebrities, whether they`re an actor, a musician, a singer and so forth. So people are really questioning why is she even a celebrity if she has nothing to back it up.
HAMMER: And it wasn`t just the votes that came in that we were overwhelmed by, also the e-mail responses. I`ve got to read a couple of them that we received. We heard from Christine in Michigan. She writes, "Poor little rich girl. I think it is about time that people with that much money are finally being dealt with just like the rest of us peons in the world. Boo hoo for poor little Paris."
And I want to read what we got from Erin in Idaho. She says, "If it was anyone else, it would be behind bars. The poor little party princess needs to grow up and be responsible."
Jill, you kind of alluded to this before. Do you think that part of the reason that people hate Paris so much, in addition to her behavior, is because she is so privileged and people just can`t take it?
DOBSON: Right, and it`s not just that she`s so privileged, but that she seems to be using her privilege and her fame to try to get out of this jail sentence. And that`s what really upsets people. She tried to get the governor to pardon her. And the governor would never pardon any other person who violated all their different terms of probation the way she did. Everyone seems to understand that except Paris. And that`s really what soured people against her, so much even more in the past few days.
HAMMER: But it even seems like there`s an extra bit of venom. And I have to wonder -- and Jill you said something about this earlier -- if maybe they`re taking it all out on Paris. It`s a lot of frustration here not just at here though, but at all of these famous-for-nothing celebs.
DOBSON: Right, exactly. And whether they`re famous for nothing or actually are very talented, people really resent the idea of celebrities getting these gift bags and celebrities apparently getting out of jail free sometimes. And that`s what Paris is hoping to do. And people don`t want to see that. And when Paris fights so hard to avoid the jail sentence that she clearly deserves, according to most people`s set of standards, that`s really what gets people upset.
HAMMER: Yes, you talk about the free stuff; people who need it the least, do seem to get it the most. After Paris got her sentence, there was even more anger that she and her mother never admitted Paris did anything wrong. Since this then, of course, Paris acknowledged through her lawyer that she needs to take responsibility. I don`t even know if she ever saw that letter that she wrote.
Now on "The View," Barbara Walters read this statement that Paris` mom gave her. I want you to take a look at this.
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BARBARA WALTERS, "THE VIEW": She said, we can only hope that something positive will come from all of this. Hopefully young people who look up to people like Paris will learn from this. She didn`t say, my child didn`t do it or this is terrible. She`s saying, you have to take responsibility.
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HAMMER: Huh? I`m wondering if I didn`t hear right there. David, I think this is maybe laughable. Did she say young people look up to Paris? Is that still possibly true?
CAPLAN: There probably is a small portion of the population that does, but these are the words from a delusional mother who, of course, is trying to spin this. Her mother`s been at her side since this all DUI saga began, in an attempt to make Paris seem that she`s more of a family person, that there`s a softer side to Paris. But what else is Kathy supposed to say right now. Her hands are tied, because so many people are outraged at Paris at her sense of entitlement.
HAMMER: I`m going to come clean right now with this message to any of you young people who look up to Paris, stop it. Do yourself a favor. "Star Magazine`s" Jill Dobson, celebrity journalist David Caplan, I thank you both.
And now we want to hear from you. Let`s see how it goes tonight with the question of the day. Paris Hilton claims trauma. Do you feel sorry for her. If you have any sympathy at all, you can let us know. Vote at CNN.com/SHOWBIZTONIGHT. Our email address is SHOWBIZTONIGHT@CNN.com.
Of course, Paris not the first woman of means to spend some time in a jail jump suit. Coming up, stars behind bars. We are taking a look at what Paris can learn from other famous jail birds like Martha Stewart and Little Kim.
Also Anna Nicole Smith`s diary; it`s a shocking and quite revealing look at what Anna Nicole Smith really thought about her mother. This comes straight from the pages of Anna`s secret diaries.
Also this --
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s so unrealistic for most people to lose weight that fast after pregnancy.
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HAMMER: Stars who goes from delivery room to red carpet in no time flat. How did these stars lose all that baby weight so damn fast? Can it possibly be healthy and are they setting a bad example? We`ll be looking into that coming up on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, TV`s most provocative entertainment news show. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York. You know, there`s been a baby boom in Hollywood lately, and everywhere you turn, celebrity moms have bounced back to their pre-pregnancy weights in record time. So what is going on here? How do celebrities who have babies whittle away the pounds so quickly and what kind of message is that sending to regular women out there? SHOWBIZ TONIGHT investigates.
REBECCA ODES, AUTHOR, "FROM THE HIPS": We live in a celebrity- obsessed culture. And the idea of celebrity pregnancy and motherhood has suddenly become hot.
HAMMER: Hot indeed. Just look at the red carpet moments that some celebrities have become famous for. And SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can tell you, it`s not because of the dress they were wearing, but how good they looked in it so soon after having a baby, like super model Heidi Klum, who`s red carpet moments sizzled right after the last two of her three pregnancies.
FELICIA STOLER, HOST, "HONEY WE`RE KILLING THE KIDS": When Heidi Klum was on the red carpet after having her baby, she looked great.
HAMMER: So great, Heidi made it seem as if losing the baby weight was a piece of cake. In this picture, taken at the Golden Globes, just two months, that`s eight weeks, after the birth of her third child, Heidi doesn`t even look like she`s just had a baby. But getting back her bodacious body after child birth isn`t something new for the super model.
Klum strutted herself down a different red carpet even more quickly after she delivered her second bundle of joy.
DOBSON: Just seven weeks after it was born, she walked the runway for Victoria`s Secret in lingerie and looked amazing.
HAMMER: Judge for yourself. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has the video, and it`s no secret, Klum shed the pounds fast. But Klum isn`t the only star whose body bounced back quicker than her baby could say ga ga. In fact, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can show you these pictures of Angelina Jolie, who many say looks even thinner than before she had baby Shiloh.
DOBSON: Angelina Jolie, after giving birth to baby Shiloh, actually looks thinner than ever before. And, of course, she`s chasing around four kids. She`s busy with her career and her world traveling.
HAMMER: And traveling the world with fiance Tom Cruise, new mommy Katie Holmes shed all her baby weight in just seven months, just in time for her big day, the celebrity wedding of the century.
DOBSON: Katie Holmes had one of the biggest celebrity weddings ever exactly seven months after giving birth to baby Suri. So she had real motivation. She knew she was going to be wearing that wedding dress in front of the whole world.
HAMMER: Just seven months for Katie, just seven weeks for Heidi. It`s got us asking, are celebrities who lose baby weight this quickly sending a bad message to regular women out there? SHOWBIZ TONIGHT went right to nutrition expert Felicia Stoler.
STOLER: When people see celebrities lose weight very quickly, it`s very difficult for them to comprehend that they could even lose weight that quickly. It`s so unrealistic for most people to lose weight that fast after pregnancy.
HAMMER: So what`s the secret? Well, let`s face it, celebrities have a team of people who are ready, willing and able to whip them right back into shape.
STOLER: They have trainers. They have people cooking for them. There`s probably a nanny and a baby nurse taking care of the kids. So they can get some good rest that most of us don`t have the luxury to do.
HAMMER: Celebrities sure do live lives of luxury, but they also need to work to support those lives. So when the casting call comes, they need to be ready.
DOBSON: Part of the reason celebrities lose the weight so quickly is because they really want to send a message to all of Hollywood that they`re ready to get back to work.
HAMMER: But there are stars like Jennifer Garner, who say making play time with the baby she had with hubby Ben Aflack is just as important as looking good. Garner tells "In Style" magazine she was in no rush to shed the baby weight saying, quote, "You`re supposed to look a certain way when you`re a celebrity. But I want to take care of my baby. And those two things don`t mesh very well."
And once in a while, Hollywood stars and their baby weight do mesh, when the part calls for it. Actress Kristy Swanson tells SHOWBIZ TONIGHT her agent called her soon after she delivered her baby boy to say hey, don`t lose all that baby weight so quickly, because there`s this part.
KRISTY SWANSON, ACTRESS: Well, the phone call came in and my agent said that "Criminal Intent" called and said, we know Kristy just had a baby. How does she look. You know, because that`s how Hollywood is.
HAMMER: And the "Law and Order" episode Kristy was cast for, playing the part of the late Anna Nicole Smith soon after she gave birth to her own baby, Dannielynn.
SWANSON: But this is Ava`s big TV debut. Let her shine.
HAMMER: Kristy tells SHOWBIZ TONIGHT that she is determined to shed the weight, but she`ll do it at a healthy pace.
SWANSON: It`s sort of my job to stay in shape. But right now, I have the excuse that I just had a baby. So --
HAMMER: Kristy, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can tell you, having a baby is good enough reason for gaining weight. And if somebody gives you lip about not shedding it fast enough, you can use what nutrition expert Felicia Stoler says is a healthy guideline for taking the baby weight off.
STOLER: It takes nine to ten months to put on all that weight. It should take about that amount of time to take it all off afterwards.
HAMMER: Because, after all, having a baby is hard work. And while losing the baby weight is also hard, doing it right is the right way to go.
HAMMER: And if you want to check out Jennifer Garner`s refreshing story about how she took her time losing the baby weight, you can read all about it in the May issue of "In Style."
Inside Anna Nicole Smith`s secret diary; I`ve got to tell you, I was pretty shocked to read some of what Anna Nicole wrote about everything, from her mom to her love life. Anna in her own words coming up next.
We`ll also have this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I call it the Cat Pack right now. And that`s Paris and Lindsay and Nicole. It shows that women can behave just as badly as men and be just as outrageous.
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HAMMER: Where have all the bad boys gone. Coming up, how Paris and company have stolen the thunder from Hollywood`s bad boys.
And I want you to listen up, Paris, because obviously you`re not the first female star to end up in a jail jumpsuit. Coming up, what Paris can learn from other celebrity jail birds, from Martha Stewart to Little Kim.
HAMMER: Tonight, we have a startling and revealing look inside Anna Nicole Smith`s diaries. Brand new details from Anna`s diaries have just been released. The diaries are from 1991 and 1992. In them, she talked about everything, from being excited about her upcoming breast surgery, to her tumultuous love life. The handwritten pages are being posted online bit by bit by the auction house Universal Rarities.
And the Associated Press got an exclusive look at 60 of the diary pages. One of the more poignant entries has to do with Anna`s strange relationship with her mother, Virgie Arthur. Anna wrote, quote, "I`m a very sad person. My mom hates me so much. She is so jealous of me. I love my mom. But I can`t handle it anymore."
Anna also writes in graphic detail about her sex life, using childish handwriting and painfully bad spelling and grammar. At one point she complains about a boyfriend`s jealous and violent behavior, saying he hit her and threw her out of his house.
And, in a more joyful entry, Anna talks about her upcoming breast surgery, writing, quote, "I`m so excited I could just scream. Ahh, I feel so happy." Later in the diary though, Anna says she`s worried about the operation and exactly how she will look.
Well, a star of one of the best shows on TV has a new gig as the first male spokesperson for weight watchers. Coming up, he`s going to tell me about the moment when he knew he had to make a change. We`ll also have this --
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I call it the cat pack right now. And that`s Paris and Lindsay and Nicole. It shows that women can behave just as badly as men and be just as outrageous.
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HAMMER: Where have all the bad boys gone? Coming up next, how Paris and company have stolen the thunder from Hollywood`s bad boys.
And listen up, Paris, you are not the first female star to end up in a jail jumpsuit. Coming up, what Paris can learn from other stars behind bars. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT for Wednesday night is coming right back.
HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. It`s 30 minutes past the hour. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
Still to come tonight, women stars behind bars. Hey, Paris, listen up. You can actually learn a lot from the likes of Martha Stewart, Lil` Kim and other women who have done the hard time. I can tell you, she will need to worry about what matches with jail cell gray.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT does have some tips on how Paris can come away from all of this unscathed and be one of the girls when she`s on the inside at cooking school.
But first tonight, Paris Hilton is just one of the bad girls front and center in Hollywood today. In fact, Paris, Lindsey and Britney are so bad, they`ve actually booted the baddest of the bad boys.
Tonight, a special report as SHOWBIZ TONIGHT investigates the disappearance of Hollywood`s bad boys.
HAMMER (voice over): Bad boys come in all shapes and sizes. There`s the rock star bad boy, the `80s bad boy, and even the angry bad boy. But these guys have gone away. Gone, pushed aside by bad girls, very bad girls.
JO PIAZZA, CELBRITY JOURNALIST: I think the bad boys were so 2005, 2006, and 2007 is really the year of the bad girl.
HAMMER: From cat fights and DUIs with Paris Hilton, to head-shaving and heavy duty partying with Britney Spears, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can tell you Hollywood`s young leading ladies are doing enough misbehaving to out bad the bad boys.
DAVID CAPLAN, CELEBRITY JOURNALIST: They behave by a different code of conduct. In the past, the guys who have been out of control when you look at a Colin Farrell, and even earlier, like Cory Haine (ph), and all those guys from the late 80s and `90s, you really saw them just plummet. The girls, somehow, it always bodes well for them.
HOWARD BRAGMAN, FIFTEEN MINUTES PUBLIC RELATIONS: I call the cat pack right now. And that`s Paris and Lindsay and Nicole. It shows that women can behave just as badly as the men, and be just as outrageous.
HAMMER: So, who is the most outrageous bad girl of them all? Let`s start with Nicole Richie. Rehab and rumored eating disorders were just the tip of the iceberg. Richie`s bad girl stock skyrocketed with this mug shot.
CAPLAN: Nicole Richie is one of the baddest bad girls in Hollywood right now because she`s so unabashed about what makes her bad.
HAMMER: Police arrested Nicole for DUI after finding her driving the wrong way on an L.A. freeway in December. Nicole had no problem allegedly telling cops she had been popping Vicodin and smoking pot before getting behind the wheel.
From mug shots to mean girls, you can`t say the words "Hollywood bad girl" without bringing up Paris Hilton. Paris not only has her sex tape, there is also her upcoming jail time. Not to mention the dozens of cat fights under her belt.
CAPLAN: Paris Hilton is actually one of young Hollywood`s meanest girls. She really is the leader of this clique. You see her in nightclubs; she is talking bad about everyone there.
PARIS HILTON: She`s a (bleep) hoodlum, broke poor (bleep) from like Compton.
HAMMER: But at the same time, all these girls flock to her. When Britney Spears wanted to essentially come out after splitting from Kevin Federline, who did she go to? Paris Hilton.
BRITNEY SPEARS: We were nice, we did one.
PIAZZA: These girls are out every night, they`re partying every night. It`s kind of like the bad girl that everybody wants the chance to be, at one point in their life, but can never do it.
HAMMER: From Hollywood bad girls to beauty queen bad girls. Miss USA Tara Conner and former Miss Nevada Katie Reese gave pageants a bad name after admitting to underage drinking and drug use.
TARA CONNER, MISS USA: I wouldn`t say that I`m an alcoholic.
HAMMER: And while Miss USA went to rehab, Ms. Nevada gave up her crown after these racy party pictures made their way to the Internet and to entertainment sites like TMZ.com.
CAPLAN: It`s sort of good girl, gone bad.
HAMMER: Why is this happening? SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can tell you the fascination with our bad girls is largely due to the lack of any good bad boys.
PIAZZA: We just don`t have any bad boys on the scene. Colin Farrell has disappeared.
HAMMER: A smoker, a heavy drinker and a serial dater, Colin Farrell burst on to the scene as one of the baddest boys since Jack Nicholson. He famously told "W" magazine quote: "When I come into town, I (bleep) everything I can."
CAPLAN: Colin Farrell was great. He really went to the extreme with his bad boy behavior. There was drinking. There was just full-on promiscuity. There was violence, he had a bit of a temper.
HAMMER: But Farrell`s full-throttle partying caught up with him. Colin checked into rehab from drinking and pain killers in 2005 after making the bad boy movie "Miami Vice."
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COLIN FARRELL: You think I missed some people?
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CAPLAN: He went into rehab and he sort of saw the light. But with him, also on the personal front, it also helped that he had a child to take care of. You see that with a lot of these bad boys, that they have a kid, and they become this great dad, a doting dad.
HAMMER: Doting dad? Doting dads don`t sell magazines. Bad girls do, especially in the tabloids where most of the readership is made up of women. And SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can now tell you that is why we`re seeing more of this.
BRAGMAN: Every time a woman goes out, you have her outfit you can judge, does she look sober? There are so many things. A guy can put on a pair of jeans and a tee shirt and go anywhere. If a woman goes out without makeup, it`s news. You`ll see the picture in the tabloids, and go, look at how bad she looks.
HAMMER: When bad girls are bad, they sometimes have to pay the consequences. For Paris, doing time will be her punishment for now. We hear that Paris is quite traumatized about the thought of jail. So we at SHOWBIZ TONIGHT thought we`d make the transition a little bit easier with some advice from former famous inmates that have spent some time in the slammer. Joining me tonight from Atlanta, B.J. Bernstein, defense attorney and founder of MyFifth.org.
B.J., I do appreciate you joining us tonight, because I feel what we`re doing here is providing a service, we`re going to try to make life a little easier for Paris, because she`s in a tough spot here.
B.J. BERNSTEIN, FOUNDER, MYFIFTH.ORG: She really is. And jail, no matter what, no matter how famous you are, it really is not a nice place.
HAMMER: Let`s fire this up with Martha Stewart, one of the most famous female of recent -- of course, the domestic diva spent five months in prison. She lied to investigators about a stock sale and that landed her there. Here`s a woman, much like Paris Hilton, who was rich, who was famous. What is it about Martha Stewart and how she served her time that Paris can take a clue from?
BERNSTEIN: This is the exact way that Paris actually wants to handle her time. Because Martha was so famous, and word of mouth, how people talk about one another travels around the jail just with regular inmates, much less a celebrity. What`s interesting is we`ve heard very little -- really nothing from anyone who was in prison with Martha. And that`s exactly how Paris is going to want to do.
Martha apparently did it right by getting along with people, not trying to be the center of attention. If you`ll remember, there was that contest at Christmas about decorating the prison door, and she didn`t win. That`s the way Paris is going to want to be.
HAMMER: You don`t want to come across, I guess, as entitled or seeming like everything should be done for you. That would be a bad move.
BERNSTEIN: Very much.
HAMMER: All right. Let`s talk about our rap star, Lil` Kim. Maybe this is one of those lessons to do the opposite of. I don`t know. This is a woman who lied to a grand jury about a shooting so she had 10 months in the big house. She made a TV show out of it. It seems that Paris should be laying low. I don`t know. Should she be making a production out of her jail time?
BERNSTEIN: She really should not. She`s already been through the "Simple Life". And the problem with Lil` Kim doing that show is it may have gotten her immediately a new show and attention afterwards, but it puts her to an entire audience as an inmate, as opposed to an artist.
And Paris, who already has trouble -- we have trouble sometimes figuring out who she is, or what she is, other than a "celebutante", the last thing she needs to be known as, forever, is a convict. So I would not use Lil` Kim as an example if I were Paris.
HAMMER: I have a feeling Paris Hilton will forever be known as a convict anyway. Let`s talk about the Queen of Mean Leona Helmsley, because maybe this is also a good example. You talk about Martha Stewart sort of, just kind of fitting in and blending in. Leona, I imagine that would be pretty hard for a woman like this to do. She`s a billionaire. She went to prison for tax evasion. She did 18 months, which was only a portion of her sentence, because she was released early due to good behavior. So, I think that`s a solid lesson for Paris from Leona.
BERNSTEIN: Certainly it`s a valuable lesson on doing good time, but again, image-wise when she gets out, that`s probably not the image she wants to go for, of being this really, really tough -- remember, she was really obstinate in her getting to jail in the first place.
Paris has had that trouble of blaming other people. That`s why today a statement by her mother, Kathy Hilton, was so significant, I think. And that finally Paris is coming around to accepting where she is, and trying to say to folks, I`m realizing, I`m learning a lesson. This is going to be it.
HAMMER: And Kathy Hilton, Paris` mom, saying maybe -- just maybe -- people should learn from Paris` bad behavior. And, of course, we`re talking about people who look up to Paris in the first place, which I suggested earlier I don`t know if they exist.
Finally, we have to talk about Zsa Zsa Gabor. Zsa Zsa Gabor was actually married -- this is a great little piece of trivia here -- actually married to Paris` great-grandfather. I don`t know, is this someone that Paris should be looking up to because Zsa Zsa spent three days in jail because she slapped a cop. She was a person of privilege, but you know, Paris has been accused of thumbing her nose at the authorities.
BERNSTEIN: Yes, I mean, the Zsa Zsa image, that just goes wrong -- she doesn`t want to age, and come out this way. Again, the slapping, the entitlement, kind of going wild on people, and definitely seeming like she should have the best of everything.
Again, Paris has got to lay low. The self-defense lessons that`s not what she needs to work on so much, but try to stay quiet, try to get along, and try to do her time quietly and get out of there.
HAMMER: How to survive in prison 101, from B.J. Bernstein. I thank you very much for joining us.
BERNSTEIN: Thanks, A.J.
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We always love to hear the secrets of Hollywood stars lose a lot of weight. I did speak to one star who slimmed down. What I was told actually surprised me. Hear it for yourself coming up.
And then there`s this guy, everybody loves a TV icon, Tom Selleck. He`s proving everyone wrong, What is he doing that`s truly defying the odds? Tom Selleck is here to tell us in an interview you`ll see only on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
Now, I`m not the kind of a guy to wear the saggy pants. But, you know what, a lot of people do like the loose look, including my cameraman, Duffy. But should saggy pants be against the law? One town thinks so, and I have to say: "That`s ridiculous." We`ve got the saggy showdown coming up.
HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. TV`s most provocative entertainment news show. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
It`s time now for another story that made us say: "That`s ridiculous"! And listen up guys, because this may apply to you. If you`re wont to wear your pants a little bit baggy, a little bit saggy, I want you to steer clear of this Delcambre, Louisiana, which his near Lafayette.
Apparently aldermen men there are considering a proposal to fine anyone caught with the saggy pants, and you get fined $500. Talk about getting caught with your pants down. What constitutes saggy? Well, here`s the deal. The mayor says if the pants are worn below the waist, he says it`s shameful. I`m thinking politicians have better things to worry about. 500 smackers for saggy pants, it puts new meaning to losing your shorts. And I say, "That`s ridiculous!"
Well, there are not a lot of actors you can call TV icons. But we do have one of them here tonight from "Magnum P.I", to "Friends" to "Boston Legal", Tom Selleck is one of those guys that everybody knows, and everybody loves. Now he`s back with the fourth installment of his wildly successful Jesse Stone movies on CBS. This one is called "Jesse Stone: Sea of Change."
Tom Selleck, in well-fitting pants, here in New York.
TOM SELLECK, ACTOR: Thank you.
I don`t have that problem in the back. If you wear Wrangler cowboy cuts, they`re made to sit on a horse, so they don`t -- you know, they don`t come down in the back. I don`t know how to put that delicately.
HAMMER: I can`t see -- saggy pants with a Hawaii shirt.
SELLECK: No. I don`t know.
HAMMER: I don`t think that is such a good look.
SELLECK: I don`t know what that`s about anyway.
HAMMER: So, Tom, a lot of people have said that the made-for-TV movie is no more. It`s a thing of the past. And quite honestly, when a lot of them air, they don`t do so well.
HAMMER: The fourth installment of "Jesse Stone" is here. It`s always wildly successful. What are you doing right, that everyone else is doing wrong with this show.
SELLECK: Look, when I took Jesse Stone from the Robert Parker books to CBS, I said, "Look, I`m not crazy about all your TV movies. They`re starting to look alike. I`m not beating up CBS, because they`re my boss and took the risk. We aired in between spring break, "Shark Attack" and "Category 7, End of the World." And I`m kind of sick of those movies and I don`t think that`s what TV does well.
And the other thing I told them, is when you buy a theatrical movie, and you put it on TV, one that was in the theaters. It plays just fine. So why do you make them look like TV movies. These look like movies. And they`re kind of story-telling techniques like movies. And people have responded. We`re the only ones left.
HAMMER: Yeah, you are. And I think obviously one of the things they respond to is your character, who is certainly a complex guy. He`s a guy who has battled a drinking problem, marriage troubles, which obviously is something that a lot of people can relate to. Is that something you hear from fans of the movies?
SELLECK: I hear -- fans like to root for people they like, and if they have flaws, I think it involves them more in the people. So, you know, Jesse is a mess. And he does drink a little too much. He tries not to drink. And that`s the important part. Also he`s not a brooder. He`s funny. With a guy who has a dark side, if you don`t have the humor, I don`t think you keep the audience.
HAMMER: I think you need that little bit of a silver lining with a guy like that.
SELLECK: He`s pretty funny.
HAMMER: It`s a huge week in the TV industry because the upfronts are going on, which is where all the networks are announcing their new programming. A lot of crime and drama back on the slate for the networks, which is something that obviously has been very successful throughout the history of television.
HAMMER: But there`s a lot of talk and there has been for sometime now about the level of violence that is on TV, particularly in the so-called family hour. Do you think it`s something, Tom, that needs to be addressed with regulation? Does the government need to step in here?
SELLECK: No. I believe in the First Amendment, I also believe in responsibility. I think that the danger with violence is to sanitize it, and not show the consequences. If you show the consequences, you see that this may not be a good choice. Violence is not pretty, it`s an essential element of drama. Only one of them, though. And you don`t have to go there all the time.
We have a certain amount of action or violence in the movies, but I think -- I`d like to think we earn it. And I`d like to think there`s consequences both to the people who commit it, and the people who receive it. Everybody has a different definition of it. I`m a much bigger believer in the marketplace regulating that. But if you don`t like it, don`t watch it. Turn it off.
HAMMER: It also comes down to parental involvement, which is something that a lot of people come back to me and say --
SELLECK: It`s really hard, though.
HAMMER: Well, tell me about that for yourself. Because your daughter`s a teenager now. Did you have to sort of be around to help regulate who she watched on TV when she was growing up?
SELLECK: You know, if I`m not working -- if I`m working, my daughter`s asleep when I go to work and when I get home; but if I`m not working, I try to watch -- I tried when she was younger, especially to watch TV with her.
You can`t always censor then, what they see, but you can comment on it. You can let her know what you approve of and what you don`t, and maybe help her develop her own value system. It`s tough, though. It`s tough to know, I don`t have a problem with ratings. I don`t have a problem with letting people know.
And basically, you know, the network orders stuff, they censor stuff by what they don`t order. There is censorship in television. It`s a question of how much. Guidelines I think are OK. Laws and regulations, I think --
HAMMER: That`s beyond the limit.
SELLECK: Every time there`s irresponsible people in this business. If they behave irresponsibly, they risk the freedoms we all treasure.
HAMMER: I`ve got to wrap it up, Tom, because I`m out of time.
SELLECK: That`s OK.
HAMMER: I`m right there with you on that.
SELLECK: I have a good speech about that.
HAMMER: Tom Selleck, I appreciate you being here. "Jesse Stone: Sea of Change" airs on May 22, on CBS. You can also pick up copies of "Jesse Stone: Death in Paradise" and "Night Passage". They`ll both be out on June 12th on DVD.
Well, we always love to hear the secrets of how Hollywood stars lose a lot of weight. I spoke to one star who slimmed down. What I was told surprised me. You`ll hear for yourself and here`s a little hint, let`s say it`s a real hero, someone who may already be your hero. That`s coming up here on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
Time now for the SHOWBIZ "Weight Watch." We cover Hollywood`s obsession with body image like no other entertainment news show. I talk to a lot of women, certainly, who come out of Hollywood, about the pressures that they feel to be at a certain weight or look a certain way.
Tonight, it`s the guys. Greg Grunberg is one of the lead actors on NBC`s "Heroes." He plays Detective Parkman on the hit show. I spoke with him recently. When I did, he told me that he watched himself on the season premiere of "Heroes" and he knew he had to do something.
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GREG GRUNBERG, ACTOR, "HEROES": I was overweight. Everybody -- we all get to a place where we`re like, oh, I`ve got to do something about this. That was sort of my rock bottom. And I started -- I did Weight Watchers for six months. I started talking about it, kind of jokingly. And then they called me.
But it is -- it was just mainly -- I`ve got three boys. I`ve got to keep up with them. And that was the motivation, just to be healthy. To be honest, I don`t weigh myself. At the meetings they weigh me, but I don`t weigh myself. Because you just know how you feel, in your clothes and everything.
So, there was no pressure. I don`t get pressure. If anything, I got pressure from the producers not to lose so much weight, because our show is day for day, kind of like "Lost" is. So, basically, I had lost 34 pounds in 22 days, as far as my character. But it`s OK. To be healthy is the most important thing.
HAMMER: That`s a heck of a diet.
GRUNBERG: Exactly. That is a diet.
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HAMMER: He`s the first male spokesperson for Weight Watchers. Grunberg cut all the processed foods out of his diet, he bikes 30 minutes a day, and doesn`t eat four hours before he goes to bed. Greg said he has 20 more pounds to go.
So, Greg we wish you the best of luck.
Yesterday we asked you to vote on our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT question of the day. Paris Hilton claims trauma, do you feel sorry for her? The most lopsided vote ever on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. Look at this, 2 percent say yes. 98 percent of you say, no.
Among the e-mails we got one from Bryan, who writes: "I don`t feel sorry for Hilton. She did a crime, and she needs to do the time."
We also heard from Barbara in Florida. Barbara writes: "Paris Hilton is getting exactly what she deserves. How dumb can you be at 26 years old; but smart enough to sign contracts and make millions for doing nothing."
Well said, Barbara.
Let`s find out what`s coming up on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
Tomorrow, of course, 8 o`clock used to be the family hour. You`d sit down with the kids, you`d watch some wholesome TV. So what the heck is going on now? We`ve got your sex, your violence, your drugs. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT investigates why that time on TV has gone tawdry.
Also tomorrow, Kelly Clarkson will be talking about her dust up with record mogul Clive Davis. And why she is really a boring person. Hey, she said so herself. You`ll find out in the interview you`ll see only on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
And that is it for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. Thanks a lot for watching.
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