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Katharine McPhee Reveals her Struggle with an Eating Disorder that almost Killed her; Beyonce Targeted by PETA Because of using Fur; Paris Hilton Saying she is Done with Fur; Stars Starting to Arrive Down Under for Nicole Kidman-Keith Urban Wedding
Aired June 21, 2006 - 19:00:00 ET
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A.J. HAMMER, CO-HOST: Angelina Jolie`s very first TV interview since giving birth to little Shiloh. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
BROOKE ANDERSON, CO-HOST: And who`s already showing up for the Nicole Kidman-Keith Urban wedding? I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood. TV`s most provocative entertainment news show starts right now.
HAMMER (voice-over): On SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, an "American Idol" shocker. Tonight Katharine McPhee reveals her stunning struggle with an eating disorder that almost killed her. For the first time the "Idol" runner-up is speaking out. Her startling story on how the show saved her life. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has Katharine McPhee`s emotional battle with bohemia.
Also, the fur is really flying. Tonight celebrities getting ambushed for wearing fur. But have these anti-fur antics gone too far? Plus, the stunning story of why Paris Hilton is no longer turning a blind eye to the furry over fur. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT goes inside the battle of celebrities wearing skin.
HAMMER: Hello, I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
ANDERSON: Hi there, I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood. A.J., just when we thought we had heard it al about stars and eating disorder, came this shocker today.
HAMMER: Stunning story, Brooke, "American Idol" runner-up Katharine McPhee is revealing that she suffers from bulimia. Now, what makes this even more remarkable, is she tells in startling detail how she was struggling with it even while she was performing before 30 million people a week on "American Idol." SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s Sibila Vargas in Hollywood tonight with this story.
SIBILA VARGAS, CNN NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Hi A.J. Well, it took a lot of courage for Katharine McPhee to come clean about her bulimia. At 22 years old, she has so much to be proud of. She`s achieved so mush. But it was a struggle for her to get to where she is today, and only she knows how much food was holding her back.
VARGAS (voice-over): She is America`s sweetheart, the California beauty who made it all the way to the season finale of "American Idol."
KATHARINE MCPHEE, "AMERICAN IDOL" RUNNER UP: Thank you so much. This is a dream come true.
VARGAS: But behind her smiles, Katharine McPhee was hiding a long, painful secret, a seven-year battle with bulimia. She talks about her secret struggle in the upcoming issue of "People" magazine saying, "I was binging my whole life away for days at a time." She was at her worst around the time she auditioned for "American Idol."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Welcome to Hollywood, Katharine. Yeah!
VARGAS: Weighing about 165 pounds, Katharine was throwing up seven times a day. All the binging and purging was damaging her voice. "It was like putting a sledgehammer to your vocal cords," she tells "People" magazine. Katharine`s problem started at a young age. Growing up in Los Angeles, she says she was always conscious of body image, going through phases of starvation and compulsive exercise. The bulimia began in high school. "Food was like a drug.it was such a miserable life."
One that four million other young women with eating disorders share with Katharine. McPhee was ill for seven years. She decided to get help last fall after successfully auditioning for "Idol." With the help of her parents, she enrolled in a three month eating disorder clinic. Still, she kept the whole thing secret from the judges and other contestants. Katharine tells more of her story to "Teen People" magazine. She`s their August cover girl and SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has obtained this footage of her photo shoot.
Beautiful and relaxed, Katharine is about to embark on her career. As she tells "Teen People" she now weighs a healthy 135 pounds.
Well, Katharine says "American Idol" saved her life, she never would have gotten help it had not been for the show. And we`re glad she is doing well. Katharine`s new single, a cover of "Over the Rainbow" and "Idol" original, "My Destiny" hits stores next week. And A.J., you know, I`m just happy for her and I`m also inspired to think that she`s going to encourage other young women who are going through the same struggle.
HAMMER: It certainly is unexpected news, Sibila. Thanks very much. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s Sibila Vargas joining us from Hollywood. And joining us from Hollywood, Julie Jordan. She`s "People" magazine`s West Coast bureau chief.
Julie, I have to say, this is particularly remarkable news coming from Katharine McPhee. She gives some pretty intense detail in her article with you guys about her years of battling this disease, doesn`t she?
JULIE JORDAN, "PEOPLE" MAGAZINE: Well, I think it was important to her to really come out there and, you know, share her experience, especially with young women. You know, there`s a stigma attached to eating disorders, especially in Hollywood. And she kind of wanted to share all that she`s been through so that other women perhaps can help, you know, on their own road to recovery.
HAMMER: And she says in the article we mentioned in our piece, that it encouraged her to get into an eating disorder program. Basically she said "American Idol" saved her life. She said in the article, she says, "I entered the program because I wanted to give myself the best shot I possibly could on the show. And, when I did, it was like God put hands on me and said, `I want you to be healed.`"
She talked about how this really affected her relationship with her dad and we had mentioned it was her parents that, in fact, got her into that program, but particularly her dad and her bonded over this issue.
JORDAN: Well, and of course, we`ve gotten to know her dad, you know, from watching "American Idol" and he`s such an emotional man and this is really important for them, as a family, to get her well. And unlike, you know, a lot, unfortunately, a lot of eating disorder patients out there, Katharine wanted to get well, you know, she knew that her only shot for really succeeding in "American Idol" was getting a hold of this disease. And ultimately it is a disease. She says she still struggles with it on a daily basis, but you know, she`s come to terms with what it takes to be healthy and now she feels really good about herself as a person.
HAMMER: But what`s so amazing here is the fact that she was going through this, not only while she was auditioning to be on "American Idol," but also while performing on "American Idol" every week. I mean, that is a live television show. You have some 30 million or more people watching. It`s an incredible amount of pressure. And she`s juggling all of this extra circumstance in her life. How did she possibly deal with that?
JORDAN: Well, that`s just it. She said she did have someone to talk to throughout, you know, the "American Idol" the experience, which helped. But she just changed the way she thought about food. You know, she said it wasn`t about like, do I have an event coming up? Do I need to like not eat this so I can look good in this dress? She`s intuitive eating now, which means she has figured out what works well for her body in terms of her food intake, she indulges; she lets herself have some things, you know, if she wants it. And like I said, she`s came to peace with eating. And, as an "American Idol" contestant, I mean, we`ve seen her journey. You know, she`s down three dress sizes, she`s lost 30 pounds. And it`s all about being healthy for her. It`s not about like being the skinny "American Idol."
HAMMER: Well, it`s really inspiring to see that she has come so far and she will now go on to inspire others to hopefully seek out the help that they need. Julie Jordan, we appreciate you joining us tonight from Hollywood.
JORDAN: Thanks so much, A.J.
HAMMER: And you can pick up your copy of "People" magazine, read all about Katharine McPhee`s eating disorder battle. It`ll be on newsstands everywhere on Friday.
ANDERSON: The stars are starting to arrive down under for Nicole Kidman-Keith Urban wedding. The actress and country star are in their homeland of Australia. They`re supposed to get married this weekend. In addition to Keith Urgan`s parents, there`s actress Naomi Watts, you see her there, she`s arriving at Sidney and she immediately got hounded by paparazzi. Now, doesn`t look like she`s too happy about those flashbulbs. Guys, give her a break. It`s a pretty long flight, right?
But despite the swarms of photographers, Nicole and Keith seem to be having a lot of fun. Nicole even came out to say hi yesterday when the paparazzi sang to her for her 39th birthday. Take a listen.
(SINGING): Happy birthday to you.
NICOLE KIDMAN, ACTRESS: Thank you. Thank you so much.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Congratulations. Congratulations, Nicole.
KIDMAN: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nicole one more.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nicole, one more, please. Nicole.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One more.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One more.
KIDMAN: OK, thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you having a lovely day?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you having a lovely day?
KIDMAN: Yes, I am.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What you got planned?
KIDMAN: Not much. (INAUDIBLE) Boring.
ANDERSON: She seems very happy. Now this soon to be newlyweds also sent out a case of beer to them with a simple message: "Enjoy."
HAMMER: I have an invitation for you. Come spend your weekend with SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. We are now on your television screen seven nights a week. Please, join us, Saturday and Sunday nights, 11:00 p.m. Eastern, 8:00 Pacific for more of TV`s most provocative entertainment news show. It`s SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. Tonight and every night right here on CNN "Headline Prime."
ANDERSON: Coming up, shocking news. Britney Spears` husband has a new passion named Penny and we`re going to tell you why that`s even more ridiculous than it sounds.
HAMMER: Also tonight, celebrities getting ambushed for wearing fur. But have these anti-fur antics gone a little too far? SHOWBIZ TONIGHT goes inside the battle over celebs wearing skins. We`ve also have this:
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ANGELINA JOLIE, ACTRESS: And the more I read about it, the more I just -- they really are the most emotional people in the world.
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ANDERSON: Angelina`s Jolie`s emotional chat with CNN`s Anderson Cooper. How her work with refugees has changed her live. It is her very first TV interview since giving birth to little Shiloh and we`ve got it coming up.
But first, "Entertainment Weekly" "Great American Pop Culture Quiz." In "Wedding Crashers," what do Vince Vaughn and Owen Wilson do besides crash wedding, of course? Matchmaking, marriage counseling, accounting, or divorce mediation?
Think about it. We`ll be right back.
ANDERSON: Appreciate that Charlie. So again, "Entertainment Weekly" "Great American Pop Culture Quiz." In "Wedding Crashers," what do Vince Vaughn and Owen Wilson do besides crash wedding? Matchmaking, marriage counseling, accounting, or divorce mediation? The answer is, very appropriately, D. divorce mediation.
HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, TV`s most provocative entertainment news show. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York. It is time now for a story that just made us say "That`s Ridiculous." You know you see them on the floor, on the sidewalk, you hunt for them in your couch -- they`re pen knees. But you know, the days of the copper coins may be spent. Have no fear, Britney Spear`s husband, Kevin Federline, to the rescue. This is my favorite story of the day. He has teamed up with Virgin Records founder, Sir Richard Branson, to save the penny. No, you may have heard, there`s some legislation to stop the production of the little Lincoln. So the duo has hooked up and they want everybody to stand up and be counted. We actually think this crusade for change is a pretty decent idea. I think we should save the penny? But Kevin Federline getting involved? That is lacking common sense. I don`t get it.
ANDERSON: It is. Well, what does that do to the credibility of the whole campaign, A.J.?
HAMMER: I don`t think it helps it, Brooke. Richard Branson, a reputable man, I can see him, you know, trying to help out this fight for the penny. Kevin Federline? Not so much.
ANDERSON: Not so much. Maybe Kevin can rap about saving the penny in future songs, who knows. But K-Fed working to save the penny? Now, "That`s Ridiculous."
HAMMER: That is ridiculous. Well, Paris Hilton is often ridiculous, but on the wag now. Not giving up partying let me be clear on that. She`s actually swearing off fur. The socialite says she`s actually seen the light with the help of a very famous anti-fur friend. But while Paris is making friends with the anti-fur activists, another celebrity, Beyonce, is finding herself right in their crosshairs.
(voice-over): You know Paris Hilton, the socialite and Paris Hilton the TV star. And now you have Paris Hilton, the singer. But are we about to see Paris Hilton, the animal rights activist? The group, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals certainly hope so.
MICHAEL MCGRAW, PETA SPOKESMAN: Well, PETA is so pleased that Paris Hilton has announced that she`s permanently swearing off fur.
HAMMER: That`s right. The famous fashionista says, from now on, she`ll be hitting the red carpet fur free. Paris says her conversion happened after she met Paul McCartney`s soon to be ex-wife, Heather Mills- McCartney, a noted antifur activist. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has for you the shocking video Mills-McCartney personally showed Paris. A PETA expose, Mills-McCartney narrated that shows the disturbing conditions at a fur farm in China.
HEATHER MILLS-MCCARTNEY, ACTIVIST: Since Western consumers are buying the fur. It`s our responsibility to know how it`s made, so we can make informed choices.
HAMMER: Paris reportedly resolved on the spot never to wear fur again. Paris used to be a PETA pariah for her fur wearing ways. A year ago she topped PETA`s list of worst dressed celebrities. And in London, earlier this year, PETA activists pelleted Paris and fashion designer Julian McDonald with flour after Paris appeared in a fashion show highlighting McDonald`s fur heavy designs. But now it seems, PETA is pleased to have Paris on the anti-fur bandwagon.
MCGRAW: I think that Paris is representative of a lot of people, a lot of fur wearers who just don`t think about the cruelty involved. And once they see the videos and how much animals really do suffer, even for just a piece of fur trim, they can never in good conscience go back to wearing fur again.
HAMMER: Paris joins a long list of celebs who are friends of PETA. Pamela Anderson, for one, frequently lends her name to PETA causes.
PAMELA ANDERSON, ACTRESS: Fashion doesn`t have to be cruel.
HAMMER: But as PETA is making friends with new celebrities, it has also added a very powerful enemy. Pop singer Beyonce.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Have you ever thought about not wearing fur?
HAMMER: Websites are buzzing about this hidden camera video. It features Beyonce having dinner in New York with a couple of fan who is won a charity auction for the chance to dine with her. But the fans were really PETA activists who proceeded to confront a shocked Beyonce about her use of fur in her clothing line.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re just trying to.
HAMMER: PETA certainly has a long history of going after celebrity fur users. Jennifer Lopez remains the No. 1 target on PETA`s hit list for wearing fur and using it in her clothing line. PETA says it is getting all kind of support for its Beyonce confrontation.
MCGRAW: We certainly heard from a lot of Beyonce`s and Destiny`s Child`s fans and they are glad that she finally has gotten this wakeup call and they`re hopeful that she`ll stop wearing fur.
HAMMER: But some think PETA`s take no prisoner tactics go too far.
DAVID MARTOSKO, CENTER FOR CONSUMER FREEDON: Beyonce was just out there with her family fulfilling a charity obligation. When PETA decided to selfishly make it al about them. The more they do that, the more the public turns off. They have yet to explain themselves to Hollywood about exactly why they don`t want research done that will cure AIDS or breast cancer. These are serious credibility problems and the more Hollywood recognizes that these are problems, less likely they`re going to be to pick up the phone when PETA calls.
HAMMER: While Beyonce may not be PETA`s favorite celeb, keep this in mind. Paris Hilton went from PETA pariah to PETA pal in about a year. Anything Beyonce could do the same. In Hollywood`s fight over fur, anything can happen.
HAMMER: So will the fur continue to fly in Hollywood? For that we have to turn to our friend Harvey Levin, he`s the managing editor of the entertainment news website, TMZ.com, joining us me from Glendale, California.
OK Harvey, so we just heard the spokesman for the Center for Consumer Freedom basically saying that PETA stunts work against their efforts in Hollywood. But, as we`ve seen, we have Paris Hilton now saying she is done with fur. We have yet to hear what`s going to be the fallout with Beyonce. But other stars have also put fur away. Here we`re talking about it. So, in a way, you got to believe that their stunts are having some effect and actually working.
HARVEY LEVIN, TMZ.COM: I agree with you, A.J. I think what PETA wanted to do so was really ignite this public debate, and that they did. And I think Paris is significant, not because of her social consciousness, but because one of the things that Hollywood does is they rely on trends. And if people think it`s fashionable to shun fur, then it may really help the PETA cause. And I think that`s precisely what Paris Hilton does.
HAMMER: Well, let`s talk about Paris Hilton`s social consciousness for just a second, because I`m sure a lot of people would like to believe that Paris Hilton had this big revelation, now she`s done with fur because of her moral fiber and some moral decision on her part. But, call me a skeptic, you know, in August she is releasing an album. She just released a single the other day that is now expected to do well. She could use some decent press. Could this, you know, be a P.R. move on her part and a great one at that?
LEVIN: Well, if it is a P.R. move, I think it is a great one. I mean, this woman has been a walking rap sheet for the last month, I mean, with hit and runs and all sorts of other misdeeds that she could use something positive in the press. And, again, it`s a controversial issue, but I don`t think anybody would say Paris Hilton`s an idiot for not wearing fur. That`s not the issue here. A lot of people will like her for it. So, I don`t think it`s a bad move at all, A.J.
HAMMER: Now, you guys were the first to post this hidden video that PETA took while they were ambushing Beyonce under false pretenses. Now, when we spoke with you, yesterday, it`s pretty clear that Beyonce`s dad, Matthew Knowles, not happy about the PETA video or the fact that you guys posted it. Have you heard from him since?
LEVIN: You know, everybody has just been awfully quiet. I mean honestly, A.J., I`ll be frank with you on this. One of the reasons I wanted to talk with you about this the other day, is I want to send a message out to people -- just don`t try and intimidate us. Because, if you do, not only will it not work, but we`ll tell people you tried. And since we`ve been kind of doing this, we vent heard a word from anybody.
HAMMER: So they are leaving you alone at this point.
HAMMER: All right. Harvey Levin, managing editor for TMZ.com. Thank you fur your insight tonight.
LEVIN: See you A.J.
HAMMER: Sorry about that. We did get this overwhelming response last night to our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT Question of the day. So we figure we`re going to give you another crack at it today. We`re asking, PETA Targeting Stars: Have their fur protests gone to far? You can vote a cnn.com/showbiztonight or e-mail us if you have more to say, showbiz tonight at CNN.com is our e- mail address. We`ll get into some of those e-mails later in the show.
ANDERSON: Guess what. You can now spend your weekend with SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. We are now on seven nights a week. So join us on Saturday and Sunday nights 11:00 p.m. Eastern, that`s 8:00 p.m. Pacific. If you`re counting for more of TV`s most provocative entertainment news show, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, tonight and every night, right here CNN "Headline Prime."
HAMMER: Big star baby news. Which celeb having another one? Plus, how to make people care about your baby. Why some stars get all the attention and others -- well, don`t. And we`ve also got the star whose baby has gotten plenty of press.
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JOLIE: You don`t think poor me what I`ve seen. You just think like, Jesus, thank God I`m experiencing it.
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ANDERSON: Angelina Jolie`s emotional chat with CNN`s Anderson Cooper, how her work with refugees has changed her life. It`s her very first TV interview since giving birth to little Shiloh.
HAMMER: Also, wishes come true for some of the biggest stars out there. Coming up, they get the chance to hang out with their favorite stars. Find out who they picked, coming up next.
HAMMER: Well, tomorrow on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT make way for Ozzy.
CREW: Ozzy rules!
HAMMER: Yeah, the crew`s very excited, one of our favorite guests, the one and only Ozzy Osbourne, right here, right before the Ozzfest summer tour gets underway. Ozzy Osbourne, tomorrow on the interview you`ll see only on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT
ANDERSON: Some soon to be music icons got a chance to meet their icons and the people they listened to while they were growing up and dreaming of being a star. We`re talking some big names here like Christina Aguilera, Mary J. Blige and Faith Hill. "In Style" magazine asked these three Grammy winners to pack their favorites and then made their wishes come true, bringing them together for a photo shoot.
Christina Aguilera chose blues singer, Etta James who says she liked Aguilera`s "feisty vibe." Hip-hop`s Mary J. Blige says to her there`s nobody like R&B singer Shaka Khan. Blige says Shaka`s voice gets under her ribcage. And soul queen, Aretha Franklin, tears country star Faith Hill to pieces. Faith said that when she listens to Aretha, she remembers why she loves singing so very much.
You can read about pop singers posing with their idols in the July issue on "In Style" magazine. It`s on newsstands this Friday.
HAMMER: Big star baby news. Which celeb is having another baby? Plus, we`ve got information for you on how to make people care about your baby. Why some stars seem to get all the attention and others -- don`t. We`ve also got this:
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JOLIE: And the more I read about it, the more I just thought -- they really are the most vulnerable people in the world.
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ANDERSON: Angelina Jolie`s emotional chat with CNN`s Anderson Cooper. How her work with refugees has changed her life. It is her first TV interview since giving birth to baby Shiloh.
HAMMER: And Angelina`s man, Brad Pitt involved with a very moving film about one boy`s story of survival in the Sudan. How he`s adjusting to life in a very different world. That`s coming up. And SHOWBIZ TONIGHT for a Wednesday night is coming right back.
HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT for a Wednesday night. It is 30 minutes past the hour. I am A.J. Hammer in New York.
ANDERSON: And I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood, and you`re watching TV`s most provocative entertainment news show.
A.J, we`ve seen a lot of celebrity babies enter the world recently, and now we have news that another one is on the way. We`ll tell you who coming up. And also, we`ll tell you why some stars and their babies get all of the attention, and others just don`t.
HAMMER: It`s just so unfair, Brooke, isn`t it?
ANDERSON: So unfair.
HAMMER: Also coming up, we`ll take you inside of - the story of how Brad Pitt and Nicole Kidman teamed up to help young men. It is inspirational and emotional and you will not want to miss it. It`s moments away.
But first tonight, it is time for the interview that everybody is talking about: Angelina Jolie. In a special for World Refugee Day, Jolie sat down for an exclusive and very candid interview with CNN`s Anderson Cooper. Jolie is, of course, a goodwill ambassador for the U.N.`s refugee agency. And in the interview, she really opened up about how her work with refugees has absolutely changed her life.
ANGELINA JOLIE, ACTRESS: I am so inspired by these people. And they are the greatest strength. So, it`s not -- you have that memory. You have that moment -- I have had it -- where, even just today, I was, you know, breast-feeding, and tired, and thinking, God, I really don`t know how I`m going to get myself together to be thinking for this interview. But you think, Jesus, the things these people go through. I owe it to all of them to get myself together, to stop whining about being tired, and get there and get focused, and, because God, it`s the least I can do. With what they live with and what they can -- they pull themselves out of the most horrible despair.
And they`re able to smile and get on with it and survive. So you don`t -- it`s that same thing, you don`t think, poor me, what I`ve seen. You just think, Jesus, thank God I`m not experiencing it.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Right.
The first time you went to a refugee camp, what was that like?
JOLIE: God, it was -- it was Sierra Leone. So, it was a different kind of a camp. It was -- they were still having civil war. And it was kind of just this area of people who had been -- who had had their limbs cut off from the violence. And it was an amputee camp. And it was probably to this day the worst camp I have ever seen. And I knew I was changing as a person. I was learning so much about life.
And I was -- so, in some ways, it was the best moment of my life, because it...
JOLIE: ... changed me for the better. And I was never going to be never going to be - never going to want for more in my life or be...
COOPER: I mean, how did it change you?
JOLIE: I was very focused on myself, on my career, on my life, on this -- you know, we have so much and we want for other things, and we don`t realize how grateful we should be about things. I had been -- done things, you know, like most teenagers, hurting myself, or doing things...
JOLIE: I mean, all those things. You take your own life for granted.
And then, suddenly, you see these people who are really fighting something, who are really surviving, who have so much pain and loss and things that you have no idea. And you just feel like, your whole life, you have just been so sheltered and so spoiled with so much.
As soon as I got to a phone, I called my mom, and just told her how much I loved her. And I was so grateful I knew where she was and so grateful I knew where my brother was, that -- that it just changed everything.
And, then, how do you come back? I mean, it`s got to be -- it`s always -- I have found it always a hard thing, once you`re there and you see that, and your eyes are open and your heart is open and your mind is open. And then you come back, and especially in this world that you live in, it`s got to be such a strange -- it`s got to be surreal.
JOLIE: By the time I -- I got on the plane and on the way home, I -- I didn`t -- I knew that I would somehow commit to doing something with these people in my life. And I knew that that would be the only way to -- to settle it in myself.
COOPER: And why refugees? Of all the things -- I mean, there are so many causes around the world. There are so many problems. Why is it -- you`re -- you`re focusing on a problem which is almost intractable. I mean, there have always been refugees, internally displaced people. There almost, likely, will always be.
JOLIE: One, I went to Cambodia, and I learned a lot about the situation there and the refugees there.
But I got this book on the U.N., because I really liked the idea of the U.N. I know it`s not perfect.
JOLIE: But I loved what -- what it stood for.
And, so, I got a book on the U.N. And I was reading about it. And then I got to this chapter on refugees. And it said almost 20 million people are displaced. And it showed pictures of Rwanda and pictures of all these -- and I was kind of -- and I was just shocked.
I thought, how is that possible, that I have known nothing about this, and I`m 20-something years old, and there are this many people displaced in the world?
So I knew it was something that had to be discussed, and wasn`t being discussed. And, then, the more I read about it, the more I just thought, they really are the most vulnerable people in the world. They really don`t have an option for -- it`s not just that they`re poor. It`s not just that they`re hungry. It`s not just that -- it`s that they are in fear of -- of - - for their lives. They are going to be persecuted for their race, their religion, their nationality.
They -- they don`t have the protection of their own country. They`re somewhere uprooted, without any protection, with their families, relying on somebody to open their doors for someplace for them to lay their head down or get some food or something.
JOLIE: And they may not be able to return home for decades.
COOPER: And it`s totally out of their control.
I mean, I have always found that when you -- it`s almost that term, refugees. You kind of make assumptions about who they are. But, in fact, they -- I mean, they are everyone. We all could be refugees at one point or another in our lives. And, all of a sudden, to have that lack of control, I always just find such a -- a sad thing.
And I think that happened with the Balkans. I think a lot of people suddenly saw refugees that looked like them. And it was a different thing. It was a -- it was a new thing.
COOPER: Do you go through phases?
I mean, when I first went to Somalia in the early 90s during the famine, I remember being overwhelmed. And then I felt like I was going through phases, the more wars I would go to, of anger, and then confusion...
COOPER: ... and then outrage, and then sort of resignation, and then sort of an open feeling that allows me to continue doing it. But do...
COOPER: Do you go through those phases?
JOLIE: I did. Yes. I don`t know which phase I`m in now.
JOLIE: But I did. I went through -- I went through a definite phase of being, I think, just shocked at first. And then I wanted to save the world.
JOLIE: And I was sure I could save the world.
JOLIE: And then I was -- and then I did feel helpless and just angry.
COOPER: A doctor in Niger said to me who was with this group Doctors Without Borders, which I`m a big fan of, said, you know, he -- he tells the nurses not to cry in front of the mothers. He said, that`s not your job, that you`re -- you know, if you want to cry, go cry somewhere in a corner, but don`t -- you can`t do it in front of the mothers, because it`s not fair to them, because then they will worry about, what`s going to happen to my kid, which I just found -- I don`t know. It`s always sort of stayed with me.
I kept a journal for the -- I still do when I go into the field. And I think part of it was just me being able to do this and not -- and not look at the...
COOPER: Yes. It helps.
JOLIE: Not cry. Yes.
COOPER: It makes it easier sometimes.
JOLIE: I`m working.
COOPER: Yes. Believe me, I know that feeling.
I also read the statistic, which I know you know, is that -- that a child is orphaned every 14 seconds, which is just, again, it just -- it`s hard to wrap your mind around, you know?
JOLIE: Yes. No, it`s -- it`s unbelievable.
And -- and that`s another thing that they have been -- we have been recently fighting for, you know, all the AIDS orphans and all the kids that are out there, because...
COOPER: You -- you were very supportive of a bill that -- actually passed and got signed by the president...
COOPER: ... but then wasn`t funded for a long time.
JOLIE: Yes. It was...
COOPER: Is -- has it been funded?
JOLIE: It was one of my first lessons in Washington. It was like, oh, a bill. I`m pushing for a bill.
JOLIE: The bill passed. Success. And then somebody said, and now the funding. And I thought, and now the funding? I thought was that was the whole...
COOPER: And it`s still not funded.
JOLIE: But you realize that, no, that that`s -- you know, first, they -- they make it a priority to do it. And then -- and I -- I don`t -- I don`t -- you know, there are a lot of people that are going to come together.
And I will spend more time in Washington, try to raise this funding, and hope that the funding doesn`t come from somewhere else.
HAMMER: Angelina also told Anderson about how her two older children are adjusting to the birth of baby Shiloh. She said her 4-year-old son, Maddox, adores his new sister, but that at 16 months Zahara is still kind of getting used to the idea and is still a bit jealous.
Angelina also said that she was glad to find that her feelings for her first biological child were really no different than what she feels for her adopted children.
ANDERSON: We want to remind you now that SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is now on seven nights a week. That`s right; we`re bringing TV`s most provocative entertainment news show to your weekend. So be sure to tune in to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT Saturday and Sunday at 11 p.m. Eastern. That`s 8 Pacific.
HAMMER: So when was the last time you went into a public bathroom, and you left that public bathroom feeling more cultured? We`re going to show you a restroom that made us say, "That`s Ridiculous!" And that`s next.
ANDERSON: Plus, celebrities and their babies. We`ll take a look at how the bundle of joy turns into a bundle of publicity for famous moms and dads. Next.
We`ll also have this:
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HAMMER: The amazing story of Sudan - Sudanese refugees facing a whole different kind of challenge here in the United States. It`s a subject of a new documentary that has some major starpower behind it. And that`s coming up.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. We are TV`s most provocative entertainment news show. I am A.J. Hammer in New York.
It`s time now for yet another story that just made us say, "That`s Ridiculous!"
The art scene in Yellow Springs, Ohio, it seems, is really going to pot. Or, should I say potty? That town has put an art gallery in public restrooms. Yes, the Chamber Pot Gallery has opened in the bathrooms of a local tourist attraction, which is a replica of an 1880s train station. Now some of the paintings really keep with the theme here; one is called "Got Paper?" The artist of that particular painting says she was inspired by that particular "Seinfeld" episode in which Elaine is in the ladies` room stall and there was no toilet paper.
Which, Brooke, leads me to ask you, Have you got a spare to - a square to spare?
HAMMER: Square to spare?
ANDERSON: That was a good episode. Yes, something like that.
But A.J., who would want to hang out in a public restroom any more than you have to?
HAMMER: Well, there are some people, Brooke, you know, particularly here in New York and some of our train stations. But I`m not going to go into that right now.
And usually the artwork we`re accustomed to seeing in the public restrooms involves, you know, a Sharpie marker and some phone numbers or something.
ANDERSON: Exactly. Some phone numbers and some messages that are a little too graphic for us to talk about. But we say, An art gallery in a public restroom? Now "That`s Ridiculous!"
All right. Congratulations tonight to supermodel Heidi Klum and singer Seal. The couple are expecting their second child together, Klum`s third. And, you know, these days, baby news equals some great publicity a la TomKat and Brangelina. So how can star couples like Klum and Seal steal headlines with their baby news?
Let`s ask our expert, Harvey Levin, managing editor of tmz.com. He joins us again now from Glendale, California, with some tips to make people just care about their baby.
LEVIN: So I`m an expert now on babies? Interesting.
ANDERSON: Yes. You`re an expert now on - on baby news and how to make people care about them.
And I want to get started with the birth that everybody is still talking about, that of course of Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie. They ran off to Namibia to have baby Suri (sic). So you`re saying, I - forget Cedars Sinai in L.A. if you`re an expectant celebrity parent; you need to flee the country.
LEVIN: Yes, at - we at tmz say that Namibia is the new Cedars. And it`s actually a great idea. You flee the country and you basically go into hiding so nobody can get a picture of you. And what it does is it builds interest. So by the time you actually give birth, there is an absolute frenzy, as opposed to a lot of stars who are walking down Robertson Boulevard in Hollywood in Los Angeles, and they`re seen everyday. And it`s, like, well, of course she was going to give birth. It becomes a mystery, and it really fuels the publicity machine.
ANDERSON: And Harvey, I apologize. I think I got my baby names mixed up. A lot of them beginning with `S` now. That`s baby Shiloh.
LEVIN: Oh, exactly.
ANDERSON: Now I want to talk about baby Suri. Of course Brangelina knocked Tom and Katie out of the headlines for awhile. But - but TomKat - it`s a shrewd couple. We all know Tom Cruise is a businessman. You could not have asked for better timing with the birth of Suri around the release of his new movie.
LEVIN: Well, the key here, Brooke, is that you want to time the birth with the junket so that you can talk about the baby and the impending birth right before the junket. And everybody wants to talk about that more than the movie. So the key to this - when you look at how - when you wrap a film and when it`s released, the key is that you have sex with your partner right after the wrap party. And that will time it out to the junket, and it works perfectly.
ANDERSON: Oh, it can give you more to talk about than just the film. It`s - it`s perfect.
OK, Gwen Stefani and her husband, Gavin Rossdale, recently had a little baby boy. And I love this name: Kingston James McGregor Rossdale. Very snazzy name for a snazzy couple. But you got to make it all look good, right?
LEVIN: It - you know, it`s the key. You have to have a fashionable pregnancy. It`s one way of going. And Gwen Stefani pulled it off remarkably. And there were so many pictures of her because she just looked so great pregnant that people wanted to see the progression, and then ultimately, of course, the birth. And it`s a way of keeping that attention alive. And it worked for her.
ANDERSON: She looked very stylish the entire nine months. I got to give it to her.
Now Ben Affleck plus Jennifer Garner, a match made in publicity heaven.
LEVIN: You need a - you need a dynamic duo. That`s another way of going. Even if you don`t have a hot movie out. If you`ve got a famous partner like Chris Martin and Gwyneth Paltrow, it just works because - you know, it`s like these two stars got together. And gee, what`s this kid going to look like?
So I think that`s another - that`s the fourth way of going that creates interest.
ANDERSON: Doubles the interest there.
Let`s talk about Britney Spears and Kevin Federline now. With Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck, that`s good publicity. Britney and K-Fed - bad publicity? The old adage is, there`s no such thing as bad publicity. But does that really apply here?
LEVIN: OK, I see that birth a little bit differently. I think Britney - Britney basically proves that when you`re a star of that magnitude, the husband doesn`t matter. I mean, it could be a sperm donor, and that would have gotten the same amount of attention. K-Fed basically went along for the ride in this case.
ANDERSON: Oh, wow.
Well I have to ask you, why would anybody want the attention from the magazines? Wouldn`t you want to just have your baby in peace and quiet and - and not put the baby on the front of all the magazines?
LEVIN: Well, you know, we`re joking about this to some extent. And it is true that there are some stars, really, who don`t want the publicity, who want to have a - you know, I really think on a level that Brad and Angelina really did not want that kind of publicity, and there are stars who do. But you know what? If they do want it, there`s a road map on how to get it.
ANDERSON: There is, and you just shared it with us.
Harvey Levin, managing editor and our expert on this subject of tmz.com.
LEVIN: There you go.
ANDERSON: Thanks so much.
LEVIN: See you.
HAMMER: It is an incredibly moving story: thousands of Sudanese boys who made a harrowing journey fleeing their homes amid civil war. Their story is now the subject of a documentary that has some major starpower behind it. And SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s Sibila Vargas is in Hollywood now with more - Sibila.
SIBILA VARGAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, A.J., the movie is called "God Grew Tired of Us," and Nicole Kidman and Brad Pitt are two of the Hollywood heavyweights involved in the project.
Now the documentary and the men who are its subjects carry a powerful message about what we all take for granted.
VARGAS (voice-over): John Dau lives in a modest apartment building on a quiet street in Syracuse, New York, with the usual array of modern amenities: computer, TV.
But not so long ago, his life was one of utter deprivation, for he was one of the so-called "Lost Boys of Sudan."
JOHN DAU, SUDANESE REFUGEE: It was a - a war life (ph). And life was just a matter of just running from place to place. You don`t know where you`re going to be tomorrow.
VARGAS: Dau was one of an estimated 25,000 boys in southern Sudan who fled their homes in the midst of a civil war in the 1980s. Hunted by militias from the north, the Boys marched 1,000 miles on foot to safety, and eventually wound up in the Kakuma Refugee Camp in northern Kenya.
DAU: We`d go for like three days without food - four days, you know? And even water. So it was very, very difficult.
VARGAS: Dau`s story and those of other Lost Boys are told in the new documentary "God Grew Tired of Us," the project that has attracted celebrity support. Brad Pitt executive produced the film; Nicole Kidman narrated it.
NICOLE KIDMAN, ACTRESS: With little hope of finding their parents or families alive, and the impossibility of returning to war-ridden Sudan, the United States agreed to re-settle some of the Lost Boys to America.
VARGAS (on camera): In 2001, Dau and 4,000 of the Lost Boys were allowed to immigrate to the U.S., closing a tangled chapter that for him lasted 15 years. The documentary shows Dau and others adjusting to a new life they had never imagined.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first thing you have to learn here is the switch, to turn light on and off. Come and see how - how it`s done. OK? And that one light (ph) over you - I said (ph) you`re going to learn how to turn it (ph). On, off. On, off. These (INAUDIBLE), OK? You have chicken. Somebody turn off the lights.
VARGAS (voice-over): A hot shower was something new.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Before even you get inside taking a shower, you have to check if the temperature is good for you.
VARGAS: So were potato chips.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In Africa, you would have to cook it. You know, I mean (INAUDIBLE), OK? Here (INAUDIBLE). No, here they`re made in a different way. They`re called (INAUDIBLE) chips. You know, (INAUDIBLE) and put in a bag, OK?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s already cooked, yes.
VARGAS: Perhaps most strange of all, an American supermarket.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And these are cooked?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These are doughnuts.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These are colored sprinkles. (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Want to try one?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Taste it?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)
VARGAS: It`s been five years since Dau went through that initial adjustment.
DAU: It was a big, big surprise to us. Because when we see a lot of food in this Syracuse grocery store, you can see aisles of food. I mean, dark (ph) and canned (ph) aisles of food.
VARGAS: The attention the film has been earning - it won the top prize at Sundance - has helped Dau raise over $150,000 for a medical facility he plans to build in Sudan.
DAU: This is where I`m going to build a medical clinic.
VARGAS: In the meantime Dau, who is now 33, is building a home in Syracuse for himself, his future wife - who is also a Sudanese refugee - his mother, and a sister with whom he was reunited. He works full time and he`s going to school.
DAU: Start living the American dream.
VARGAS: He reflects on a journey that took him from destitution in Africa to a new life in America.
DAU: Just keep hoping that maybe sometime you will get to a place where you can make it and regain your - who you are - your identity, your integrity, your - who you are. You can gain back that. And that - if you can gain that back, it`s the country - in a good country like the United States, where people are there to help you.
VARGAS: "As God Grew Tired of Us" will be released sometime this fall.
A.J., it`s hard not to look at those images and not be impacted for the rest of your life.
HAMMER: A powerful reminder of the many things that we constantly take for granted.
Sibila, thanks very much.
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Also tomorrow, make room for Ozzy! Yes, the one and only Ozzy Osbourne right here, right before the Ozzfest summer tour gets under way. Ozzy Osbourne joins us tomorrow, one of our favorite guests in the interview you see - you will see only on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. Look forward to the Oz.
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