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New Video of September 11 Pentagon Attack Released; New England Recovers From Massive Flooding
Aired May 16, 2006 - 20:00 ET
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PAULA ZAHN, CNN ANCHOR: And good evening, everyone. Glad to have you with us.
Here is what is happening at this moment: denials all around tonight from the big phone companies. Verizon is the latest to say it did not agree to give the government phone records for a domestic surveillance operation. That is in addition to BellSouth. They have also denied the "USA Today" report.
And, today, a lawsuit demanding $200 billion in fines was filed against the phone companies.
The White House has agreed to brief congressional Intelligence Committees on the controversial NSA domestic wiretap program. CIA nominee General Michael Hayden headed that program. And critics say they want to know more about it before his confirmation hearings.
Now on to the latest gas prices across the country. We call it "Crude Awakenings." The states with today's highest gas prices are in red. The lowest are in green. The average price still climbing -- unleaded regular is now at $2.94 a gallon. That's up another cent since just yesterday.
On the "Security Watch" tonight, nearly five years after the 9/11 attacks, we have two new reminders of the shock and the violence of that day. Today, the government released two surveillance tapes showing American Airlines Flight 77 slamming into the Pentagon.
These tapes were used as evidence at the trial of al Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui. But now that he has been sentenced, they are being released publicly for the very first time.
Here's senior Pentagon correspondent Jamie McIntyre.
JAMIE MCINTYRE, CNN SENIOR MILITARY AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT (voice- over): The tapes are a more complete and unedited version of five still frames CNN obtained from a Pentagon security camera and was first to broadcast back in March of 2002.
The newly released video includes a view from a second camera at the same checkpoint, which provides a slightly clearer view of the American Airlines 757 as it flew just feet above the ground and slammed into the Pentagon. One video shows the nose of the plane as it enters the frame. The other shows the fuselage as it whizzes by at several hundred miles per hour.
The tapes were sealed as evidence for the criminal trial of 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui. But, with his sentencing, the Justice Department authorized release of the tapes in response to two lawsuits, including one by the legal watchdog group Judicial Watch.
TOM FITTON, PRESIDENT, JUDICIAL WATCH: Well, we wanted to help put to rest conspiracy theories suggesting it was something other than a plane that hit the Pentagon, that it was a missile or a decoy of some type.
MCINTYRE: Until now, this single frame was the only image that showed the jetliner before it hit the Pentagon. And the image is so indistinct that it helped fuel conspiracy theories that abound on the Internet, despite pictures of the wreckage and eyewitness accounts.
MIKE WALTER, EYEWITNESS: I looked off. I was -- you know, looked out my window and I saw this plane, a jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. And I thought, this doesn't add up. It's really low.
MCINTYRE: The Web sites often take statements out of context, such as this exchange from CNN, in which I, myself, appear to be questioning whether a plane really hit the building.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, SEPTEMBER 11, 2001)
MCINTYRE: But from my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MCINTYRE: In fact, I was answering a question based on an account from an eyewitness, who thought the Americans Airlines plane landed short of the Pentagon. I was indicating there was no crash site near the Pentagon, only at the Pentagon.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, SEPTEMBER 11, 2001)
MCINTYRE: The only site is the actual site of the building that's crashed in. And, as I said...
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MCINTYRE: In fact, there were thousands of tiny pieces of the plane. And I personally photographed a piece of the fuselage and what appeared to be part of the cockpit.
MCINTYRE: The video still isn't clear enough to convince the most ardent conspiracy theorists, and there are some -- still mysteries surrounding the events of the day. For instance, what happened to a video from a nearby hotel security camera that sources tell CNN captured at least part of the attack? Nobody in the government even acknowledges that that videotape exists -- Paula.
ZAHN: Well, that makes one wonder what ultimately will put those theories to rest.
Jamie McIntyre, thanks so much for the update.
And now we are going to move on to a national security crisis that is consuming Washington's attention tonight, and has people all over the country taking sides. Right now, there are about 12 million illegal immigrants in U.S., with more sneaking across the border every day.
And, in his nationwide address last night, President Bush made it very clear he wants an immigration reform law that combines tighter security along our borders with programs to lure illegal immigrants out of the shadows, even letting some of them work legally, and eventually becoming citizens.
There are a lot of skeptics, though, out there, as you might imagine.
But White House correspondent Suzanne Malveaux has been busy all day long and watching the president try to change their minds.
SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): White House officials suspected the president's immigration reform plan would be a tough sell.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Look, I under -- this is a hard issue for many people.
MALVEAUX: He is right, Mr. Bush getting an earful from governors of border states on his plan to deploy 6,000 National Guard troops to bolster the Mexican border.
GOV. BILL RICHARDSON (D), NEW MEXICO: I wish they'd consulted with us, because what I would have said is, I would have said accelerate the number of Border Patrol agents that you promised us. New Mexico was promised 265 new border agents from the last appropriations bill, only a handful have arrived.
MALVEAUX: That's a concern the president tried to lay to rest today.
BUSH: The Guard's providing an interim service until those Border Patrol agents get -- get -- get stood up.
MALVEAUX: The second component of the president's immigration reform plan, the temporary-worker program, is also running into trouble from members of the president's own party, specifically the proposal to allow some illegal immigrants to earn U.S. citizenship. Critics say that amounts to amnesty.
REP. J.D. HAYWORTH (R), ARIZONA: The longer and the more flagrantly you have broken our immigration laws, the easier it will be to get on the so-called path to citizenship. I don't believe the American people will appreciate that. And I think they reject it.
MALVEAUX: To blunt the argument that such a plan is amnesty, Mr. Bush used some new words, which put the issue into moral terms.
BUSH: Never lose sight of the thing that makes America unique, which is, we're a land of immigrants, and that we -- we -- you know, we're not going to discriminate against people. When we welcome somebody to our country who is here legally, willing to work and willing to realize a dream, it helps restore our soul.
MALVEAUX: The one group who is expressing support for the president's plan is the Democrats, who see Mr. Bush's proposal as the closest to their own.
SEN. EDWARD KENNEDY (D), MASSACHUSETTS: I have my differences with the president, but he's absolutely right. He understands history. He's a border state governor, and he knows you can't do this by itself, only at the border.
MALVEAUX (on camera): And the president will press that point when he travels to the border town of Yuma, Arizona, on Thursday, when he tries to sell his comprehensive immigration reform plan.
Suzanne Malveaux, CNN, the White House.
ZAHN: Well, it seems the president's speech had a pretty big impact on the people who tuned in last night. We polled the speech watchers last night. The poll with a positive view of the president's immigration policies went from 42 cents -- percent, that is -- before the speech, to 67 percent afterwards. That is an impressive 25-point jump.
And, as Suzanne Malveaux reported, the centerpiece of President Bush's plan to beef up border security is to send in the National Guard. But what will the 6,000 or so troops actually be doing?
Well, to find out, Keith Oppenheim hooked up with a Guard contingent that's already on the ground, and he has just filed this report from Las Cruces, New Mexico. That happens to be about 40 miles up the Rio Grande from El Paso, Texas, and the Mexican border.
KEITH OPPENHEIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Second lieutenant Mark Williams has become very familiar with the U.S.-Mexico border. He commands the raid unit for the New Mexico National Guard at Las Cruces. Today, he's on a maintenance run with an observation helicopter. But he works mostly at night, sometimes six nights a week, flying in the dark, to help the U.S. Border Patrol.
OPPENHEIM (on camera): The Border Patrol to you is kind of like a client, right?
2ND LIEUTENANT MARK WILLIAMS, NEW MEXICO NATIONAL GUARD: That's correct. They're -- they're one of our customers.
OPPENHEIM (voice-over): Since 1989, the National Guard has provided air support, mainly to stop drug trafficking. But National Guard pilots also spot immigrants, sometimes in large groups, who are crossing the border illegally.
(on camera): You're providing light and kind of backup for the Patrol agents.
WILLIAMS: And, then, as the group comes up, we make sure that they can walk safely to their vehicles without the group breaking apart on them or the group turning on them or that they didn't leave anybody back in the bushes somewhere.
OPPENHEIM (voice-over): Lieutenant Williams has been doing this for three years. We asked him about the fear among some people here that the border is being militarized, and that could spark tension and violence.
WILLIAMS: Well, I would say, the -- the military has been on the border for quite some time now. And we have been very successful in our relationships with the Border Patrol and in the manner in which we conduct our business.
OPPENHEIM (on camera): Doing it in a peaceful way?
WILLIAMS: That's correct.
OPPENHEIM: Without escalating violence?
WILLIAMS: That's right.
OPPENHEIM: Do you feel like, if there's more National Guard helping Border Patrol, that that will really make a difference, or do you really not know?
WILLIAMS: I really don't know. But I -- I believe that it will assist the Border Patrol in their mission. There's no doubt that they can use the additional manpower or the additional assets while they're continuing to build their program.
OPPENHEIM (voice-over): The question is, how long will that take? And how long will it be that thousands of National Guard troops will provide backup until the Border Patrol gets bigger?
Keith Oppenheim, CNN, Las Cruces, New Mexico.
ZAHN: And, coming up in a minute, we will deal with a critical component of the immigration debate. Is the Latino community feeling hopeful or very angry about what they heard in the president's speech?
But, first, we begin our countdown of the most popular stories on CNN.com. Guess how million -- millions of you logged on today, 19 in all.
Coming in at number 10 -- the search for a 21-year-old man who disappeared from a Royal Caribbean cruise ship. Daniel Dipiero was reported missing Monday morning. Searchers are focusing on the area west of the Grand Bahamas. Officials fear that he may have fallen overboard.
Number nine -- days of very heavy rain have drenched much of New England and caused some deadly flooding. Rob Marciano is there. He will have a live report for us coming up.
We will also have numbers eight and seven, along with a shocking side of the illegal immigration story that you haven't seen before.
ZAHN: "Outside the Law" -- they are the tiniest illegals, amazing undercover video of a baby for sale south of the border, the outrageous trade of infants for U.S. dollars, right on a Mexican street.
The "Eye Opener" -- one of TV's brightest stars and the stunning new best-seller that has made her life an open book -- triumphs, tragedy and a really desperate honeymoon -- Teri Hatcher and much more just ahead.
ZAHN: Still ahead tonight, a secret of a desperate housewife. Why in the world would award-winning actress Teri Hatcher think of herself as a has-been? Stay tuned. You will find out.
The people with the most at stake in the immigration debate are the 12 million illegal immigrants living in this country. So, while the president, Republicans and Democrats in Congress debate how to fix the nation's immigration laws, those immigrants are biting their nails. So, what do they have to say about what the president said last night about their future?
We sent Rusty Dornin to find out.
RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Jorge Rodriguez (ph) didn't see President Bush's address. Neither did most of the other illegal immigrants on this Atlanta street corner.
Rodriguez (ph), who has been in the United States 16 years, heard the buzz, but he and others here are skeptical, especially when it comes to talk of staying here illegally.
(on camera): What do you think of this whole thing?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Honestly?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think that he is playing with us people.
DORNIN (voice-over): Across town, more buzz. This Hispanic mall looks, feels and sounds like just about any marketplace in Latin America. And many of the people who work and shop here are undocumented.
Anna Maria Ruiz (ph) works at a phone store here. While President Bush did not say exactly how many years someone like her would be required to have lived in the U.S. to be eligible for citizenship, Ruiz (ph) knows that the six months she's been here illegally won't make anyone's list. She's not frightened, but she is somewhat defiant.
(on camera): From what President Bush said last night, you might be forced to leave this country. What do you think about that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, in my opinion, I don't think people should leave. They should stay here. Even if they don't have, you know, six years living here, they should stay.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Many Hispanic people hopes -- have many hopes? Hopes?
DORNIN (on camera): Hopes, absolutely.
DORNIN (voice-over): Fearful her employer would be accept, Sandra Garcia (ph) didn't want us to film her at her job. Garcia (ph) came to the United States two years ago. She didn't hear the address either. But, when it comes to language issues, she agrees with the president.
(on camera): President Bush is saying that immigrants must learn to speak English. What do you think about that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's a good idea. I want to learn more English, but I need papers, and I need all the opportunities in this country.
DORNIN (voice-over): Back on the corner, Jorge Rodriguez (ph) can only wonder.
(on camera): Do you think, at this point, you might be closer to being able to stay here legally than you ever have before?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, yes, because, you know, now they -- at least they open their ears, you know, and they know it's -- whatever the people that is, you know, like, in the shadows.
DORNIN (voice-over): Rodriguez (ph) knows U.S. officials are not yet ready to open their arms to him. But, in light of the president's words, he thinks his chances are definitely improving.
Rusty Dornin, CNN, Atlanta.
ZAHN: And, a short time ago, I spoke with someone who is helping to shape the debate over immigration reform, Univision news anchor and author Jorge Ramos. He is watched by millions of Spanish-speaking viewers. And his latest book, "Dying to Cross," is about the deaths of 19 immigrants in the back of a tractor trailer truck in 2003.
ZAHN: So, Jorge, the president proposes securing the border, a temporary-worker program, a path to citizenship for all illegal immigrants already in the United States. If all of that happens, will the president's plan work?
JORGE RAMOS, UNIVISION ANCHOR: It will work, as long as we all want more security, especially after 9/11.
But what we have to make sure that is going to be included in the final proposal is the legalization of the 12 million undocumented immigrants living in this country, and also the fact that people are going to keep on coming, at a rate of about one per minute, half-a- million every year.
So, if any plan does not include the legalization of those who are already here, and the 500,000, or a little more, who are coming every single year, nothing will be solved, absolutely nothing. It doesn't matter -- it doesn't matter if you send the National Guard to the border, because half of all undocumented immigrants come by plane.
ZAHN: What will happen to the 12 million illegal immigrants who are now here if this plan doesn't work?
RAMOS: It's going to be a -- a very difficult moment.
And the thing for the United States is that this illegal immigrant population will continue to grow. As long as you have Mexicans in Mexico making $5 a day or unemployed, and they know that they can make exactly the same amount of money in just a few minutes in the United States, they are going to keep on coming. Hunger is stronger than fear.
So, either we resolve this problem right now, or it is simply going to explode in our hands.
ZAHN: Just in one speech alone last night, the president gained 25 points, when people now look at his reform policies in a positive light.
What do the illegal immigrants you have talked to say about the substance of the president's speech?
RAMOS: They are hearing the possibility to legalize their life in the United States. That's what they're thinking. That's the only thing they're thinking.
ZAHN: So, they're hopeful?
RAMOS: Very hopeful. I mean, this is first chance that many of them have in more than 20 years.
ZAHN: At the end of the day, what the president has proposed has to some way be married to what Congress is considering. So, where do you think we are a year from now?
RAMOS: Hopefully, they will be able to control the flow of immigrants through a visa program. And, hopefully, there will be a -- a legalization process for the millions of -- that are living right now. Otherwise, we will have achieved absolutely nothing.
ZAHN: Jorge Ramos, always good to see.
RAMOS: Thank you.
ZAHN: Thank you very much for dropping by.
RAMOS: Thank you.
ZAHN: Appreciate it.
ZAHN: And we move on to some pretty hairy weather tonight.
In parts of New England tonight, streets have turned into rivers. People are wondering if old dams will hold up. When will the rain and flooding end? Our Rob Marciano is there. He will join us live.
And, then a little bit later on, find out what actress Teri Hatcher didn't do on her honeymoon.
And we move on now to number eight on our CNN.com countdown. Venezuela's president is now considering selling his fleet of U.S.- made F-16s to another country, possibly even Iran. This comes just a day after the U.S. banned arm sales to Venezuela.
Number seven -- a new survey says Miami's drivers are the worst when it comes to road rage. It also listed Phoenix, New York -- yes, we know that -- L.A. and Boston among the top five cities for rude driving. Oh, we set all kinds of records here, don't we, in New York?
Numbers six and five straight ahead.
ZAHN: Welcome back. Here's what's happening at this moment -- a gay-rights ruling just handed down tonight in Georgia. A state judge says that a state ban on gay marriage and civil unions actually violated Georgia's Constitution. So, the governor of Georgia says he's going to have to look at some other options.
Former Dick Cheney aide Lewis Libby is now asking a judge to order reporters to turn over their notes and e-mails for his trial. Libby is defending himself against charges that he lied to investigators looking into the leak of CIA agent Valerie Plame's name. The news organizations call Libby's request a fishing expedition.
The kidnapping of an Arab diplomat in Baghdad followed insurgent attacks in several locations today. Gunmen opened fire on guards and customers at this car park, then set off a bomb beneath an oil tanker. At least 37 Iraqis and one U.S. soldier were killed in those attacks.
Tonight, on to some local news here on the East Coast -- the driving rain and punishing flooding that's hammered New England for the last four days seems to be finally letting up. There have actually been about 15 inches of rain in some places, which makes it the worst flooding in 70 years. At least one person has died from this big mess out there.
And meteorologist Rob Marciano is in Methuen, Massachusetts, for us tonight, where 5,000 sandbags are helping keep a dam from bursting right now. We hope they continue to hold it up.
So, Rob, do they have any idea how much damage has been caused by this flooding so far?
ROB MARCIANO, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Well, I can't give you a numerical amount. But I can tell you this, that neighborhoods under water and some parts of this town under water.
And this is not the only town, Methuen, Massachusetts, that is experiencing flooding like this. And this is not the only river that -- that feeds into the -- the mighty Merrimack River across northeastern Massachusetts that has swollen over its bank.
You mentioned the sandbags. Well, here they are behind me. Also, as far as damage is concerned, there's -- this wooden framework you see behind me, that -- that was the framework of what was going to be a pedestrian bridge. Most of that has been wiped off into the river.
You can hear it behind me. These are some of the sandbags you talked about. But just look at the -- look at the power of this river. This is a small river. It's amazing to me how, when it rains this much, how the smallest of rivers and creeks can swell and roar into these mighty torrents. And that's exactly what we're seeing right now.
As far as other sorts of damage, here in -- in Methuen, over 500 people were evacuated. In the Merrimack River, they had a problem with the sewage issue there. At one point, 35 million gallons of sewage was leaking per day into the Merrimack River. So, they had to take care of that. And they are starting to get that under control.
Here, at Methuen, 75-percent-plus people still without power. The good news is, is that most of the rivers have crested, are beginning to recede. I know that's tough to fathom, considering the roar you see and hear behind me, but that's the good news.
Here in this town, Paula, it is the highest they have ever seen this river in recorded history, so, a historic flood here, for sure.
ZAHN: There has been so much concern about dams that could potentially go. Do you know anything about the status of dams all over the region?
MARCIANO: You know, there are literally hundreds of dams like this all across New England, and some of them 50 or even over 100 years old.
Many of them, like this one, are hydroelectric dams. Many of them are old textile dams. Maybe they ran a sawmill at one point or a felt mill at other points.
Remarkably, you know, it's amazing to me that more of them haven't burst. There are concerns of that. There was, at one point last night, a concern of this dam bursting. But most officials don't think that's going to happen. And there's a couple other dams that are the same way.
But now that the rivers have crested, fears of that happening are beginning to ease. And we don't expect rain here for a couple of days. So, they have that going for them. But it has been a deluge, to say the least, for the last four days -- Paula.
ZAHN: Well, I don't want to make light of what you are reporting tonight. But I was there Sunday night. And I have lived in Boston for years. I have never had a trip to the airport that way. You know, normally, trips take 15 minutes. It took about an hour with all the flooding.
We wish those folks well and hope that weather pattern holds, with less rain down the road.
Rob, again, thank you. Stay safe.
MARCIANO: You bet.
ZAHN: Mega-star Teri Hatcher has a message for all of you women out there. What does she want you to know, even if you aren't a desperate housewife? And, hey, maybe she has some information for your partners out there, too.
And a little bit later on, did a woman actually try to sell her baby over the Internet? And what happened when a TV reporter answered the ad? We are going to take you straight inside that transaction.
And Jeanne Moos has a story of two men named Guy (ph). But which one was the wrong guy? You will see. First, though, on to number six on our CNN.com countdown -- Richard Hatch, who won $1 million in the debut season of "Survivor," will now end up spending 51 months in federal prison for failing to pay taxes on his winnings.
Number five is our lead. The Defense Department releases new surveillance videotape showing the terror attack on the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. The public is seeing this tape for the first time; 184 people were killed in that attack.
Please stay with us. Number four is up next.
ZAHN: Now I'm going to give you a surprising look inside the life of the star of one of the most popular TV shows in the country "Desperate Housewives." It was an instant hit when it went on the air just two years ago with Teri Hatcher in the role of Susan Meyer. And like the character she plays, Hatcher is a single mom and she says her life has been anything but perfect. She made a much talked about admission that she was abused as a child. And in a new book, she has even more startling revelations about the rest of her life. As you'll see in tonight's "EYE OPENER."
ZAHN: Teri Hatcher, fabulous on the red carpet. Award winning actress on the wildly successful series "Desperate Housewives." And now best selling author. Teri's new book is called "Burnt Toast and Other Philosophies of Life." It's a revealing funny look at Teri's not so perfect life. And the everyday problems all women face.
TERI HATCHER, ACTRESS: The book is called "Burnt Toast." And I say that I ate the burnt toast for a lot of my life.
ZAHN: Which basically means you settled.
HATCHER: I settled. I settled. I took --
ZAHN: Could have thrown the toast away.
HATCHER: Took what was the last, best, sort of took care of everyone else first, which are good, loving qualities, I think. But ultimately, you know, really left me with a pretty empty shell that was fairly neglected.
ZAHN: Teri says that her 40th birthday was a turning point, a chance to regroup and take more control of her life.
HATCHER: Did I really want to spend 10 more years treating myself this way? And so I really evaluated what my part in how I treat myself was and tried to make an idea of how to change it and treat myself better.
ZAHN: Her message to women in the book is simple -- encourages us to stop trying to be superwomen and to be kinder to ourselves. HATCHER: I'm very ambitious. I accomplish a lot. I'm, you know, whatever, a type "A," you know? I'm hard on myself. Like no one can ever be harder on me than I already am on myself.
ZAHN: You're this huge star and you still, when you're accepting the golden globe award for best actress in a series, didn't allow yourself the indulgence of saying, hey, I made it. You called yourself a has been actress.
HATCHER: Well, I was.
ZAHN: Not anymore.
HATCHER: But not anymore. And that's part of the journey and part of the journey that I reveal in the book is my struggle to sit in the good thing, you know, that realize that I can deserve good things.
ZAHN: From the outside, you appear to have this perfect life.
ZAHN: A daughter you're crazy about.
HATCHER: Well that I do have.
ZAHN: Teri's daughter Emerson Rose is the love of her life. Teri's dating life, well, that's another story.
HATCHER: I sort of think maybe you can't have it all at the same time, you know? And I'm awfully grateful for the last two years of having this amazing opportunity on "Desperate Housewives." And as you mentioned my incredible, incredible daughter. And friends and writing this book. And maybe there hasn't been room for a guy yet. So maybe now that the book's done, there's room for a guy.
ZAHN: There was a guy in Teri's life, her former husband, actor John Tenney. And yes, she's very frank about that relationship in her book, too.
HATCHER: I wrote the thing about not having sex on the honeymoon. And I swear to God, I think eight out of ten people I meet didn't have sex on their honeymoon either. Nobody knows that nobody is having sex on their honeymoon and it's okay, or maybe it's not okay. I think if we knew we weren't alone in our dark and complicated and disappointing feelings like not having sex on your honeymoon, you feel better.
ZAHN: The end of that marriage, nine years later, was devastating.
HATCHER: I call it the kitchen floor phase. When that was about where I spent most of my time next to the oven, just crying and feeling like I could never see any light at the end of the tunnel and it was never going to be any better. Now I see a lot of blue skies. I see a lot of opportunity and happiness. But you know, it's never all one thing or the other. I explain those things to my daughter, you know, that today is a moment when mommy is just kind of sad. It's a little harder to get up and make lunch today. It's a little harder to want to dance around the living room. And you don't necessarily know why.
ZAHN: She was also very honest about something she deliberately chose not to include in her book and revealed in a recent magazine article. The personal pain of being sexually abused as a young child by an uncle. It was a secret she kept for 30 years. As an adult pursuing an acting career, she says she didn't want it to define her.
HATCHER: The one thing a victim doesn't want to be is identified as the victim. Victims, I think, beat themselves up their whole lives for the shame and the fault and all the things they assume. And I figured if I came forward, it would end up in the press and then that's what I would be and I would never work again.
ZAHN: But another terrible tragedy pushed Teri to bravely come forward with her own story. In 2002, a 14-year-old girl in California committed suicide and in her suicide note pointed to abuse at the hands of Teri's uncle. So after three decades of trying to heal, Teri Hatcher made a brave decision.
HATCHER: But I knew that he wouldn't get put behind bars if I didn't come forward. So that was -- once I found that out, it was a no brainer. And I came forward and as soon as he and his lawyer read my deposition, he pled guilty to four counts and he will be in jail for 14 years.
ZAHN: Teri testified anonymously and the secret was hers until just two months ago when she decided it was the right time to share her story with the world.
HATCHER: Maybe it's because I don't want to eat the burnt toast anymore. Maybe it's because I don't want to hide, I don't want to take the fault for things that I'm not to blame for anymore.
ZAHN: A very powerful message for survivors of abuse and it's a message that has become Teri Hatcher's very personal mission.
HATCHER: You know if I could talk to somebody who watches the show for five minutes and say, hang on, you'll get through there, you'll get to the light at the end. It isn't your fault. You'll find a way to heal. Someone can help you. But people don't talk about it enough. So that's really I came forward. I want to help people.
ZAHN: And Teri has certainly helped and will continue helping many people come forward. She has been praised for her courage by survivors of abuse and support groups all over the country. And she's become the new spokesperson for the Amber Watch Foundation which is dedicated to preventing child abuse. And, by the way, her book "Burnt Toast" which just came out two weeks ago is already on three best seller lists.
And these days, you can find just about anything for sale on the web, but did someone actually try to sell her baby? Well, you're going to see what took place on videotape.
And then a little bit later on, a guy who wasn't supposed to be a part of any story. How did he end up being interviewed on the BBC?
First, though, number four in our cnn.com countdown. Thieves make off with Paris Hilton's mother's day gifts. A spokesman says they were stolen from outside the Hilton family's Los Angeles home on Sunday. Number three when we come back.
ZAHN: Welcome back. Here's what's happening at this moment. President Bush is again defending the NSA wiretap program without even admitting it exists. He said the government doesn't listen in without a court order and is vital to know if Al Qaeda is calling into the United States.
A story we mentioned in our cnn.com countdown. The search for Daniel DiPiero, an Ohio man presumed to have fallen overboard during a Royal Caribbean cruise from Florida to the Bahamas. The Coast Guard says it wasn't notified until eight hours after he was reported missing.
Today nearly 20 years after the Exxon Valdez oil spill, scientists report that oil still threatened wildlife in Alaska's Prince William Sound. Now that finding could add $100 million to the $900 million ExxonMobil has already paid for the worst oil spill in U.S. history.
Tonight, two people are under arrest charged in a shocking crime. Trying to sell a baby on the Internet. The man and woman are both Mexican citizens, allegedly offer the baby online for $50,000. The whole process was caught incredibly on videotape by a crew from a CNN affiliate in Dallas. Here's reporter Sacha Prieto with CNN affiliate KUVN with tonight's "Outside the Law."
SACHA PRIETO, KUVN CORRESPONDENT: A Dallas resident chatting on the Internet a few weeks ago couldn't accept the shocking offer made to him by a woman in Mexico.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I began to play along with her and that's what she wanted, what was her deal.
PRIETO: For sale, a 2-week-old baby boy. The price, $70,000.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I tried to get a hold of the attorney general's office in Monterrey, but I couldn't.
PRIETO: Convinced that the woman meant business, Sergio did not give up. He contacted our news department where a KUVN 23 producer decided to send a crew to his house to corroborate the unbelievable story. On Friday, April 28th, our crew set up a camera before Sergio began chatting with the alleged baby seller. He asked if the baby was registered or had a birth certificate. She answered no. He inquired if the baby was healthy to which she responded he's healthy, it's just that I don't feel anything for him.
15 minutes into the chat, Sergio had earned her trust and on his computer appeared the face of the baby for a bounty wrapped in a blanket. Sergio continued his online conversation with the woman who agreed to knock down the price to $50,000. She revealed her name Ana Luis Hidalgo and offered her cell phone number. Sergio asked the woman to show him her face to be able to recognize her once they met in person. Before the meeting took place, we asked the Televisa network affiliate in Monterrey, Mexico, to collaborate with us on the story. A reporter from Televisa pretended to be Sergio, the man Ana Luis Hidalgo had been negotiating with on the Internet.
During a second meeting a week later, the undercover reporter asked the two how they were going to bring the baby into the United States. Ana Luis Hidalgo and her alleged accomplice Alejandro Hernandez said they had taken care of the issue. The infant was to be smuggled in for an additional fee. Even more shocking was how comfortable the woman felt about giving up the baby. The three agreed to finalize the sale of the baby on May 11th on the Mexican border town of Nuevo Laredo. But this time reporter Jose Ramirez from Televisa Monterrey didn't show up alone. He was accompanied by several Mexican federal agents hiding nearby. He asked them one more time how much money they had agreed on.
Immediately, three Mexican federal agents surrounded and arrested Hidalgo and Hernandez. Two adults who had no problem putting a child up for sale. Mexican officials are conducting DNA tests to confirm whether Hidalgo is the mother of the baby and they're also trying to determine if this is the first time she's tried to sell an infant. In Dallas, Sacha Prieto for CNN.
ZAHN: And CNN has made efforts to contact attorneys for Hidalgo, Rivera and Hernandez with no success so far.
Moving up on 12 minutes before the hour, "LARRY KING LIVE" is right around the corner. We're going to check in with him right now and find out who he will be hosting tonight. Hi Larry, how are you doing tonight?
LARRY KING, CNN ANCHOR: Hi Paula, we're going to have a lot of fun. I'm going to see you tomorrow, Paula.
ZAHN: You are? That's right, you're coming to town. Travel safely.
KING: Coming to town. We're going to have a great show tonight. Donny and Marie. They are together for the first time on television together in five years. They're our special guests for the full hour with phone calls. You know, our era, well, your era.
ZAHN: My era? I sort of missed that. And I'm going to pretend I'm much younger than that, Larry. Hey Larry, by the way I was in Canada last night giving a speech. You have a lot of fans up there. They sent your best. KING: Where in Canada?
KING: Great city. Isn't that a great city?
ZAHN: Yeah, a very friendly place.
KING: Great city.
ZAHN: See you when you come to town.
KING : Can't wait to see you, Paula.
ZAHN: Thank you. Have a good show. Look forward to it.
All right. I bet you have never had a problem like the one in our next story. The BBC sent out to interview an expert whose name was Guy, but they put the wrong guy on the air. How did that happen?
Right now number three in our cnn.com countdown, a new NASA report on why a $110 million experiment failed. A robotic spacecraft designed to connect with an orbiting satellite crashed into it instead. The report blamed faulty navigational data.
Numbers two and one on our list straight out of the break.
ZAHN: So imagine the worst job interview you ever had, and now imagine having it broadcast all over the country. This may give you some idea of what it was like for one of the men you're about to meet. It's a story that proves there are mistakes and then there are whoppers. Here's Jeanne Moos.
JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This is the story of two guys named Guy and how the BBC got the wrong guy, not Guy Kewney, but Guy Goma.
GUY GOMA, WRONG GUY: I was so shocked.
MOOS: You'd be shocked, too, if you came to the BBC applying for a job in the I.T. department and then ended up live on TV being mistakenly introduced as an expert on a complex court case involving Apple.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So what does this all mean for the industry and the growth of music online. Well, Guy Kewney is the editor of the technology Web site "News Wireless." Hello, good morning to you.
MOOS: As the BBC's competition put it --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There had been a monumental mix-up. MOOS: The British papers are having a field day. The real expert and the job seeker were waiting in separate reception rooms when a producer went to the wrong room and brought out the wrong guy. That look of shock is worth a second look.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, Guy Kewney is the editor of the technology Web site "News Wireless." Hello good morning to you.
GOMA: Good morning.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were you surprised by this verdict today?
GOMA: I'm very surprised to see this verdict to come on me because I was not expecting that.
MOOS: Meanwhile, the real expert Guy Kewney was still in reception watching himself being introduced on TV.
GUY KEWNEY, RIGHT GUY: It was one of those moments that you think, good God, what's going on? There can't be another (INAUDIBLE) called Guy Kewney.
MOOS: The wrong Guy tried valiantly to answer questions.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think now more people will be downloading online?
GOMA: Actually, if you look anyway, you're going to see a lot of people downloading.
MOOS: Later, he described the experience like this.
GOMA: I was like scared, I said whoa.
MOOS: But he didn't say whoa. He kept going. Maybe he should have gotten a hint this wasn't the usual job interview earlier. So after they pick up the wrong guy at reception, they bring him up to a room where they do what they do to all TV guests, put on makeup.
GOMA: They start brushing my face. I say, "What's going on here?"
MOOS: Now what's going on is that the tabloids are fighting over the wrong Guy. BBC apologized and interviewed both Guys, since Guy Goma was so good at being an expert.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While we've got you who here, E.U. membership for Bulgaria and Romania, do you think that's a good thing?
GOMA: Not really.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think interest rates are going to go up or down in the next four weeks?
GOMA: Ah --
MOOS: Ah's not for experts. And neither is this face.
Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
ZAHN: Way to go, Guy. Well the wrong Guy did eventually get the job interview, but believe it or not, he still doesn't know if he got the job. Based on that one look alone, he should get the job. He did a really good job of faking everybody out, didn't he?
It's time now to take a biz break. On Wall Street, the Dow lost nearly 9 points, the NASDAQ was down for the sixth day in a row and the S&P was also down slightly. Closing arguments in the Enron trial today. A defense attorney described former CEO Jeffrey Skilling as a "tortured soul" who now has to live with the collapse of his company.
And the UAQ says 95 percent of hourly workers at Delphi have voted to strike if the bankrupt auto parts company scraps its union contracts. Delphi is asking workers to take pay cuts as well as cuts in benefits.
Just minutes away from "LARRY KING LIVE". Tonight as you heard from Larry himself, he'll be hosting Donny and Marie Osmond in their first interview together in about five years. So please stay tuned for that.
But before that we move on to number two in our cnn.com countdown. Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah has told his nation's newspaper editors to stop publishing pictures of women because they could lead young men astray.
Number one a shocking scene for visitors at a zoo in Holland as a bear attacks a rare breed of monkey and kills it. Zoo officials say it happened in an area where several different animals live. Well, fortunately, they will now be separated. We'll be right back.
ZAHN: And that wraps it up for all of us here tonight. Thank so much for joining us. We want to before we go show you a little bit of Britney.
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