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White House Shake-Up; Interview With Ari Fleischer; Variations of Post-Partum Conditions; Why Do Celebrities Choose Unconventional Baby Names?
Aired April 19, 2006 - 20:00 ET
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PAULA ZAHN, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening, everyone.
Here is what happening.
At this moment, the government is rushing mumps vaccines to eight Midwestern states. The worst outbreak in more than 20 years has affected 1,100 people, and health officials expect even more people to get the disease.
Airline flight schedules finally getting back to normal, after parts of Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson Airport were evacuated today. A suspicious bag touched off an alert during an X-ray screening, but no problems were found after all.
Nerves are on edge in Kabul, Afghanistan, after a rocket landed less than 200 feet from U.S. Embassy grounds. The U.S. says all embassy personnel in Kabul are safe and accounted for. Rocket attacks have increased ever since the Taliban militia announced a new offensive.
Now to our top story tonight -- some call it a shake-up. Others call it a shuffle. But change is sweeping the ranks of those closest to the president tonight.
Mr. Bush's all-powerful guru, Karl Rove, who was promoted to senior presidential adviser after the last election, will now be playing a smaller role. And Press Secretary Scott McClellan, the man who speaks for the president, and takes the heat from reporters, is calling it quits after almost three years of sometimes stormy sparring with the media.
At the White House, here's correspondent Suzanne Malveaux.
SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan announced his departure very much like his arrival, shoulder to shoulder with the president, clearly emotional.
SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I have given it my all, sir, and I have given you my all.
MALVEAUX: Promoted from Deputy Press Secretary nearly three years ago, McClellan knew he had inherited a political firestorm. The U.S. had just invaded Iraq a couple of months before. McClellan was faced with an increasingly skeptical press corps over faulty pre-war intelligence.
MCCLELLAN: I think we have made it very clear that we are confident that we will uncover the full extent of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction program.
MALVEAUX: In the words of McClellan's predecessor, he would become the human pinata. But McClellan got stuck over some inconsistencies, namely, over the involvement of top advisers Karl Rove and Scooter Libby in the CIA leak case.
QUESTION: You have got a public record out there. Do you stand by your remarks from that podium or not?
MCCLELLAN: And, again, David, I'm well aware, like you, of what was previously said. And I will be glad to talk about it at the appropriate time.
MALVEAUX: The president remained loyal to his spokesman. McClellan was a member of Mr. Bush's inner circle from his days as Texas governor, serving as his press secretary there in 1999, before following Mr. Bush to Washington.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I thought he handled his assignment with class, integrity.
MALVEAUX: But now, with just two-and-a-half years remaining to get anything done, Mr. Bush's agenda has stalled, his poll numbers plummeted, and his relations with Congress, controlled by his own party, strained.
As CNN first reported two weeks ago, Mr. Bush's new chief of staff was looking for a fresh face at the podium to signal change. Monday, McClellan spoke to the president about moving on.
In another significant move to shake up the West Wing, Karl Rove is being stripped of his policy duties to focus more on politics, specifically, to ensure Republicans maintain control of Congress in the midterm elections.
(on camera): While the White House insists, this downsizing of Rove's duties is not a demotion, senior administration officials concede, Rove had too much on his plate. The hope with streamlining is that Rove will now be able to do what Rove does best: winning elections.
Suzanne Malveaux, CNN, the White House.
ZAHN: And, in the past three years, Press Secretary Scott McClellan has had some incredibly intense moments with reporters. You might remember he took some pretty heavy fire after the delayed disclosure of Vice President Cheney's shooting accident, and, of course, after the leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's name to the news media.
Here's a look at a few of the moments Scott McClellan would probably like to forget.
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
MCCLELLAN: That friendly response there is a trap.
I think we have made it very clear that we are confident that we will uncover the full extent of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction program.
QUESTION: Where are they?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, we -- the -- the president talked about this last week. There's a lot of speculation out there, but let's let the truth come through.
QUESTION: When did the president know that the vice president was the shooter? What time?
MCCLELLAN: Again, there was additional information coming in that night. And the details -- the details continued to come in throughout the morning, into the Sunday morning time period.
QUESTION: The vice president did not call the president to tell him he was the shooter?
MCCLELLAN: As I indicated, there are some pressing priorities before the American people. And they want us to spend our time on that. And that's where we're going to keep our focus today.
QUESTION: It's our briefing. We get to ask the questions.
MCCLELLAN: You do. But I have indicated to you where I am today, and that's where I'm going to continue to focus.
Hang on. There are people -- there are people who are suffering. And we have got to respond to their needs. And that's where we're going to keep our focus.
QUESTION: So, no one is prepared to say what went wrong?
MCCLELLAN: In terms of the -- the president, the president issued disaster declarations ahead of time, so that we could make sure we are fully mobilizing resources and pre-positioning them. But this was a hurricane of unprecedented magnitude.
QUESTION: "The Washington Times" editorial page this morning published a cartoon comparing White House correspondents to sharks. My question, do you think that they were wrong to make this comparison?
MCCLELLAN: Yes, I -- I don't... (CROSSTALK)
QUESTION: Go ahead, Scott.
MCCLELLAN: I have a picture up in my office that everybody can look at, yes. It may not look like it, but there's a little flesh that's been taken out of me the last few days.
MCCLELLAN: Like I said, it may not look like it.
MCCLELLAN: I can assure you that it has been.
I have given it my all, sir, and I have given you my all. Thank you for the opportunity.
ZAHN: Of course, no one knows better what moments like those feel like than the man Scott McClellan replaced.
And I spoke with Ari Fleischer, George W. Bush's first press secretary, a little bit earlier today.
ZAHN: There has been speculation for weeks that the administration was looking to replace Scott McClellan. He, himself, acknowledged today that this administration needed change, but do you really think he's going on his own, as he stated, or was he pushed out?
ARI FLEISCHER, FORMER WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Well, Scott was asked that today. And he said he was going on his own.
You know, I -- I think the timing of when press secretaries leave is always hard, because there's always a temptation to stay in there a little longer. But it's a grueling, tiring job. And Scott has been there for almost three years, Paula. That's a long time.
ZAHN: But, Ari, you have to admit that Scott McClellan's credibility was damaged when he gave information to the press corps that was simply wrong. That hurt him, didn't it?
FLEISCHER: You know, I -- I think, Paula, what is really going on here is that there's a cumulative effect on every press secretary from every issue press secretaries deal with. And, in every administration, the issues will be different, but they still grow on you and burn you out over time. President Clinton had five press secretaries in eight years. And it's just the nature of the job.
ZAHN: The president made some very generous comments to Scott McClellan today. Do you think that he really wants him to go?
FLEISCHER: President Bush is not going to change his policies. He won't change his convictions.
But I think, by getting some new staff in there, he can get some new creativity, new ideas, new ways, for example, Paula, to get credit for this economy, which is growing and booming. President Bush hasn't gotten the credit.
Sometimes, staff changes can create that second look, and the president can get different results.
ZAHN: Are you saying that Scott McClellan hurt him in that regard?
FLEISCHER: No. I'm saying, sometimes, change just forces people to take a second look.
Press secretaries are going to leave after a while. And Scott stayed longer than most. So, it has to come at some point. It came today.
ZAHN: So, who do you think the -- the next shoe is going to be that drops?
FLEISCHER: Well, I don't know the names. And I wouldn't try to guess if I did.
I just think that there will be more change. I would be surprised if you hear any more announcements this week. But I wouldn't be surprised next week if there's more. Josh is pushing his stamp on the White House.
ZAHN: And you're done with it. You're not going back, are you?
FLEISCHER: Paula, I'm a spokesman for a 2-year-old girl right now. And that's the only spokespersoning I want to do.
ZAHN: That's the most important job in the world.
FLEISCHER: You got it.
ZAHN: All right. Thanks, Ari.
FLEISCHER: Thank you.
ZAHN: Appreciate your time tonight.
(END VIDEOTAPE) ZAHN: Of course, behind the shake-up is a president determined to boost the lowest poll ratings he has ever had. And that's when presidents call on someone like David Gergen, who has advised four presidents, both Democrat and Republican, over the last 30 years.
David Gergen joins me now. Always good to see you. Welcome.
DAVID GERGEN, FORMER PRESIDENTIAL ADVISER: Thank you, Paula.
ZAHN: My pleasure.
So, no matter how many of these faces the White House changes, will any of them help pull up the president's sagging numbers?
GERGEN: I doubt they will very much.
You know, what -- what's going to save the president, if it's going to save him, is Iraq. And the -- and changing faces at the White House is not going to do -- make much difference in that -- and if he can get the oil prices down, and -- and -- and people feel better about their lives.
What I do think might change as a result of this, that the White House might -- execution, I think, in the eyes of most people, has not been -- has been weak. I mean, Katrina, they were slow off the mark, and the vice president on Dubai, on all these things.
And they may get better at execution. And, so, they could -- they could prevent themselves from having more mistakes. But, in terms of turning it around, I think that's going to be much, much more difficult.
ZAHN: How significant is the fact that Karl Rove has lost his chief-policy-adviser status? Is this a huge demotion for him?
GERGEN: No, absolutely not -- much less here than meets the eye.
Listen, he's the heavyweight in the White House on both politics and policy. What he's giving up is a coordination role on -- on -- on domestic policy. He will no longer be the guy who has -- you know, who has got people reporting to him, making sure the meetings happen and stuff gets to the president.
But he -- every time a big decision is going to be made on domestic policy, Karl Rove will have a seat at that table. What's really going on here, Paula, is, bad poll numbers have -- have propelled the president to do this. And -- and -- and reassigning Karl full-time to politics, what he's also doing is responding to those bad poll numbers, trying to help pull himself up, and, also, very importantly, trying to help those Republicans who are crying out for changes...
ZAHN: Well, sure. And that...
GERGEN: ... who are facing...
GERGEN: ... elections this fall.
ZAHN: That's a key point to raise, because they have put a lot of pressure on the administration to make these changes.
ZAHN: Are they going to be happy about this today? It's still not...
GERGEN: They're going to be pleased.
ZAHN: ... the outsiders they were hoping for, though, is it?
GERGEN: Well, it -- it -- it's a shuffling of insiders so far.
Now, I think that what -- this hasn't -- it's not over. Now, if they bring a real heavyweight into the White House to -- on domestic policy formulation, that would get everybody's attention. So far, this is mostly an internal shuffling. So, we have got -- we have got new faces, old policies still in place.
ZAHN: David Gergen, as always, appreciate your perspective. Thank you so much.
GERGEN: Thank you, Paula. Take care. Bye.
ZAHN: And more than 17 million of you went to our Web site today.
Our countdown of the top 10 stories on CNN.com gets started now. And we start off with the Chinese president, Hu Jintao, his visit to the United States. Today, he toured the Boeing jet assembly plant just outside of Seattle. Right now, he's traveling to Washington, D.C., where he will meet with President Bush tomorrow. Interesting to note that he met with Bill Gates in Seattle, before he's catching up with the president.
Number nine -- a surprise spring storm dumps nearly two feet of snow in the Northern Plains states. Blizzard conditions caused widespread power outages, closed highways, schools, and businesses.
A lot more ahead, including numbers eight and seven on our countdown, as well as the latest developments in the Duke rape investigation.
ZAHN (voice-over): "Outside the Law" -- two young men facing justice in an athlete sex scandal. But did the police arrest the right suspects?
And "Mysteries of the Mind" -- how can a mother be too afraid to hold her own baby, to even be in the same room? An amazing disorder that happens more often than you think -- all that and more just ahead, as we continue.
ZAHN: There are some new developments tonight to talk about in the Duke University rape case. A source tells CNN that the school today suspended the two lacrosse players charged with the rape and kidnapping of a woman hired as a dancer at a team party.
At the same time, defense lawyers say they have evidence exonerating those two suspects. And, a short while ago, one of the defense attorneys strongly rejected any sort of guilty plea or deal with prosecutors, saying, once again, his client is innocent.
The investigation and its effect on the campus are number eight on our CNN.com countdown.
Jason Carroll has been covering this story for us all day long. And he has just filed this report for tonight's "Outside the Law."
JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Defense attorneys continue to build their case, on the premise that two Duke University lacrosse players, Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann, both of whom are charged with raping a young woman, were not at the party when the alleged assault took place.
The prosecution says the rape happened when the dancer reentered the lacrosse team members' home after performing. A next-door neighbor, who says he saw the young woman try to go back to the home, says that was around 12:30 a.m. But the defense says it has records showing Seligmann called On Time Taxi at 12:14 from his cell phone.
On Time Taxi showed CNN their computer phone log, which confirms his call coming in at that time. At 12:19, defense sources say records show the cab picked him up and drove him to this Wachovia Bank. The driver, Mose Mostafa, tells CNN, he remembers picking Seligmann up, along with another unidentified young man that night.
MOSE MOSTAFA, TAXI DRIVER: Nothing looked unusual to me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They seemed calm?
MOSTAFA: They seemed calm, like normal. I didn't -- I didn't recognize anything different, just like any student call us for a fare, and I go down there. I pick them up.
CARROLL: 12:24, defense sources say, bank records will show Seligmann withdrew money. Minutes later, Mostafa says he drove the player and his friend to the Cook Out restaurant. Mostafa says he then drove the young men to his dorm.
Defense sources say, Seligmann's student I.D. card confirms he arrived at his dorm at 12:41 a.m. The defense attorneys say the timeline shows it was not possible for him to be at the house when the alleged assault took place. Seligmann's lawyer says his family is devastated that he is now facing these serious charges.
BILL COTTER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR READE SELIGMANN: Terrified. I mean, this awful -- if -- if any of you had received a call that said that your son or daughter was charged with a serious crime, and you had all the confidence in the world that he or she didn't do that, you would be terrified. You would be scared to death. Like I -- like I said earlier, this is a good, decent, tight family. And next to one of them dying, this is going to be probably the worst thing they ever go through.
CARROLL: The defense says, a timeline and witnesses will show Collin Finnerty also was at a restaurant when the alleged rape took place. The DA would not comment on the defense attorney's claims.
(on camera): And the DA, Michael Nifong, told CNN in a previous interview he does have solid evidence, including a medical examination done by a nurse, which shows the young woman was a victim of sexual assault. If true, the defense questions whether he has charged the right suspects.
Jason Carroll, CNN, Durham, North Carolina.
ZAHN: Nona Farahnik is a sophomore at Duke. She happens to be a friend of both of the suspects. And, until this week, she lived in their dorms. And she joins me now.
How well, Nona, did you know Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann?
NONA FARAHNIK, STUDENT, DUKE UNIVERSITY: Well enough that I'm comfortable standing here today and standing up behind them and proclaiming their innocence. I have seen them every single day, I guess, for the past nine months, and I knew them well.
ZAHN: You have described your friend Collin Finnerty as being a very good guy. But we have learned that, a few months ago, he was charged with assault and for spewing gay slurs at a man in Washington, D.C. Do you defend that behavior in your friend?
FARAHNIK: Oh, no -- no, not at all. I mean, he -- he was -- he had to deal with that. That was a -- a legal issue. And I know he's still dealing with it.
But I don't think that a misdemeanor in Washington, D.C., is a reflection on someone's ability to perform an act as heinous and awful as rape. I don't -- and -- and it's hard for me to speak to Collin's past, you know, trials with the law, and to see how the media is ignoring the fact that the accuser -- the accuser's past is full of -- of stories that are -- that are a lot more reflective on her character than a misdemeanor in Washington, D.C.
ZAHN: Yes. I -- I don't think, Nona, anybody is ignoring that, but you just wonder if this shows Collin had a predisposition for violence, if he was arrested...
FARAHNIK: Rape is not...
ZAHN: ... for punching a guy in the face.
FARAHNIK: You know what? He may -- he may have -- I -- I don't know the details of that case. And I'm not defending him punching another guy in the face. But punching another guy in the face is very different from sodomizing and raping someone with two of your friends in a bathroom at a party.
ZAHN: You have socialized with these two men before. Was it common for them...
ZAHN: ... to go to parties with strippers?
FARAHNIK: You know, I have been to lacrosse parties. I have had them at my own birthday party a couple of months ago. Strippers are not a common occurrence at lacrosse parties.
They are, however, a common occurrence across all college campuses. And, you know, all of my peers have -- have those experiences. And I'm not advocating the use of strippers or am I condoning the use of strippers, but I don't think that it's something that is unique to the lacrosse team and that is not unique to the entire college atmosphere or college culture in America.
ZAHN: Nona Farahnik, thank you for joining us tonight. Appreciate your...
FARAHNIK: Thank you.
ZAHN: ... sharing your part of the story with us.
Coming up next, the ballad of -- yes, this is his name -- Jesse James Hollywood. Yes, it's a real name. He happens to be the center of a bizarre crime and manhunt that starts in Hollywood and then ends in Brazil.
Also ahead, a new mom who couldn't stop thinking about hurting her brand new baby -- what's behind this very strange disorder that affects a surprising number of women?
Before that, number seven on our CNN.com countdown -- it happens to be our lead. White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan today announced he will be leaving his post after three years on the job. And senior presidential adviser Karl Rove will no longer focus on policy, but on long-term strategic planning, you know, like the midterm elections. Actually, I would call that short-term strategic planning -- numbers six and five on the other side of the break.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) ZAHN: It was a brutal kidnapping and murder that could have come straight out of a Hollywood script, complete with an alleged mastermind named -- yes, this is his name -- Jesse James Hollywood.
But it was a real story. And now, in an ironic twist, it has been turned into a movie, a tale of boyhood friends who turned to the dark side. The film has a big-name cast, and it could be a box office hit, but you're not likely to see it any time soon. That's because the movie is now tied up in a legal dispute with a man whose life inspired the film. Both the story and the film begin in a place where you would least expect one of the FBI's most wanted suspects to come from.
Ted Rowlands has tonight's "Eye Opener."
TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): West Hills, California, is an upscale Los Angeles suburb in the San Fernando Valley.
JESSE KATZ, SENIOR WRITER, "LOS ANGELES": It has got the very best schools, beautiful parks. It is the kind of community people move to, because it's a good place to raise their kids.
ROWLANDS: It was here that a group of boys first met playing little league baseball. Jesse Rugge and Ryan Hoyt are standing in the back row, and, in the front, the pitcher with the name that people in West Hills are unlikely to forget, Jesse James Hollywood.
KATZ: Jesse James Hollywood was definitely the leader of this group.
ROWLANDS: Jesse Katz wrote about the boys and their leader in a cover story for "Los Angeles" magazine. As they grew older, the boys stayed together. That's Jesse James Hollywood in this home video. He and his old buddies from little league were still living in West Hills, but they weren't playing baseball anymore.
JIM THOMAS, FORMER SANTA BARBARA COUNTY, CALIFORNIA, SHERIFF: They got into the drugs, and that causes a lot of problems with a lot of people.
ROWLANDS: Jesse James Hollywood, according to investigators, was at the center of a suburban drug ring, making enough money to buy expensive cars and a three-bedroom house in West Hills. Investigators say his old friends, including Ryan Hoyt and Jesse Rugge, were now his employees.
KATZ: He was able to manipulate them and feel powerful as the head of a -- kind of a small-scale little drug cartel.
ROWLANDS: Another friend from little league, Ben Markowitz, was also involved in the drug business, but investigators say Markowitz and Hollywood clashed. KATZ: He was one of Jesse James Hollywood's drug dealers, but Ben was not somebody who was going to allow a little punk like Jesse James Hollywood to boss him around.
ROWLANDS: Sunday, August 6, 2000, investigators say Jesse James Hollywood, now 20 years old, and a couple of his friends got into this van and went looking for Ben Markowitz, planning to confront him about a $1,200 drug debt.
KATZ: They go on driving the streets of West Hills and, by pure coincidence, they come across Ben's younger brother, Nicholas Markowitz.
THOMAS: So, they saw the young man and decided, if they grabbed him, then maybe that would force the older brother to come forward.
KATZ: And they hit him and they kick him and they throw him in the van.
ROWLANDS: Fifteen-year-old Nicholas Markowitz had been kidnapped. Investigators say, Jesse James Hollywood and his friends decided to drive the boy north on Highway 101 to Santa Barbara. For two days, Nick Markowitz is taken to different spots, blending in with his kidnappers.
THOMAS: Over time, even -- even witnesses say it almost became a party atmosphere.
KATZ: Nick himself doesn't always seem to get the idea that something is wrong.
ROWLANDS: On day three, they end up at the Lemon Tree Inn in Santa Barbara.
KATZ: They're in the pool. They're drinking. They're smoking. There's girls around.
ROWLANDS: But to Nick's family and friends, he's now a missing 15-year-old boy, and the police are searching for him. Investigators say Jesse James Hollywood is starting to get worried.
KATZ: He summons probably his lowliest lackey from the drug crew, a guy named Ryan Hoyt, who owed Jesse James hundreds of dollars in drug debts.
ROWLANDS: According to investigators, Hoyt, one of the boys from the little league team, was now being asked by Jesse James Hollywood to commit murder.
KATZ: And he gives Ryan Hoyt a duffel bag that has a Tech-9 in it.
ROWLANDS: Hoyt had help from two of the others. According to investigators, Jesse Rugge, another boy from the little league photo, bound Nick Markowitz and put duct tape over his mouth.
Seventeen-year-old Graham Pressley, a friend of the group familiar with Santa Barbara, found a spot to dig a shallow grave.
(on camera): Investigators say, the young men followed Hollywood's orders, taking Markowitz from the hotel to this remote area in the mountains above Santa Barbara.
Then, according to investigators, Ryan Hoyt, using the gun given to him by Jesse James Hollywood, shot Nicholas Markowitz nine times.
(voice-over): Three days later, a hiker found the body. Then, a girl who met Nick Markowitz at the Lemon Tree Inn recognized his photo in the news, and went to police.
KATZ: Within the next 24 hours, everybody, except for Jesse James Hollywood, is arrested.
ROWLANDS: Investigators say, Hollywood took off after the body was found, and, soon, he was the youngest person to make it on to the FBI's most-wanted list.
THOMAS: It seemed like, every time we got to where he was, he -- he was gone again. And -- and we just missed him on several occasions in several states, in fact, out of the country as well.
ROWLANDS: As for the others, Jesse Rugge was convicted of kidnapping. William Skidmore pleaded guilty to kidnapping and robbery.
Graham Pressley, the 17-year-old, was convicted of second-degree murder. And triggerman Ryan Hoyt was sentenced to death for first- degree murder and kidnapping.
Despite an international manhunt, there was still no sign of Jesse James Hollywood.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The prosecutors believe that that was the hand of his father. That was Jack Hollywood keeping Jesse under the radar.
ROWLANDS: Jack Hollywood was also in that Little League photo. He was the coach standing in the back row. Investigators say Jack Hollywood, who was arrested last year on drug charges, was a suspected drug dealer who may have been helping his son.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We always felt the father was involved in providing information and providing money and hiding his son from the authorities.
SHERIFF JIM ANDERSON, SANTA BARBARA COUNTY: Hollywood is currently in our custody and will stand trial for his role in kidnapping and murder of Nicholas Markowitz.
ROWLANDS: Last year after more than four years on the run, Jesse James Hollywood was arrested in Brazil.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hollywood was found to be in possession of false identification documents and in violation of immigration laws. He was detained by the federal police and deported as an illegal alien.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We could be in a lot of trouble.
JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE, ACTOR: Trouble?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. I mean, you can't just take a kid and...
ROWLANDS: The story is now a movie called "Alpha Dog" starring Justin Timberlake, Bruce Willis and Sharon Stone. The movie is finished, but it hasn't been released. Lawyers for Jesse James Hollywood are arguing that this movie may hurt Hollywood's chances at a fair trial.
NICK CASSAVETTES, DIRECTOR, ALPHA DOG: I don't think that the movie gets in the way of Mr. Hollywood getting a fair trial. But these things have to be explored. We don't want to prejudice a trial. Real life, way more important than movies.
TIMBERLAKE: He ain't going nowhere.
ROWLANDS: "Alpha Dog," which was schedule for release this spring, is now on hold. Jesse James Hollywood, who has plead not guilty to murder charges, is expected to go on trial later this year.
Ted Rowlands, CNN, Santa Barbara, California.
ZAHN: Fascinating. Still ahead, while you pay close to $3 a gallon for gas, do you think the former head of Exxon deserves a $400 million retirement deal? Also, you've heard of post-partum depression. But wait until you hear what made this new mom think endlessly about harming her brand-new baby. That's more common than you might think.
A little bit later on, how do you feel about the name Suri. Well that's Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes' choice for their baby girl. But why do so many celebs pick the oddest baby names, like Apple? You'll find out.
But now, No. 6 in our CNN.com countdown. In Connecticut, investigators trying to solve the killing of millionaire developer Andrew Kissel are focusing on an e-mail sent by his estranged wife, in which she fantasized about killing him. His body was found in his home earlier this month.
No. 5, a single ticket won last night's Mega Millions lotto drawing. The ticket is worth $265 million. It happened to be sold at a Cincinnati supermarket. The owner still hasn't come forward. No. 4 is just minutes away.
ZAHN: Welcome back. Here's what's happening at this moment. Now a fourth body has turned up after yesterday's shootings at a St. Louis catering company. Police say one man opened fire after his paycheck was garnished for child support payments. He later killed himself.
The jury in the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui hears 9/11 family members tell of their heartbreak and frustration. The families testified for the defense. They don't want him to be a martyr if he's executed. It will be the jury that will decide whether Moussaoui should die or be sentenced to life for his connections to the 9/11 attacks.
And hundreds of suspected illegal immigrants are being rounded up tonight after a sweep in at least nine states. Seven managers of a company that employed the suspected illegals were also arrested.
And tonight, there is certainly a lot of buzz surrounding the baby girl born to actor Tom Cruise and his fiancee actress Katie Holmes. The baby's name is Suri. And in an odd coincidence, there was another birth in Hollywood yesterday that you may not have heard about. Actress Brooke Shields had her second daughter, who she named Grier, reportedly in the same Los Angeles hospital and on the same floor as Katie Holmes.
Now you might remember that just last year, Cruise and Shields had a very public tiff over her struggle with post-partum depression after the birth of her first child. Cruise criticized Shields for trying to deal with it by seeing psychiatrists and taking antidepressants. On NBC's "Today Show," Cruise had a confrontation with host Matt Lauer over Cruise's opinion that psychiatry is a pseudoscience.
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TOM CRUISE, ACTOR: The thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, OK? And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry. She doesn't understand and the same way that you don't understand it, Matt.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ZAHN: Well I talked with Brooke Shields herself about post- partum depression and her brand new baby.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BROOKE SHIELDS, ACTOR: I remember staring at her and just thinking, "Come on, let's feel it. Where is the thing? Where is the stuff? Where's the fairy dust? Where's the birds? Come on." And there was just -- and I was frantic because it was right there, right in front of me, and I had nothing.
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ZAHN: Well Brooke Shields eventually wrote a book about her struggle. But now we're hearing about other variations of post-partum conditions affecting new moms who are fearful of harming their babies. An article about the disorder appears in this month's "Self" magazine and Deborah Feyerick has details in tonight's "Mysteries of the Mind."
DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Even before her daughter was born, Wendy Isnardi admits she was a worrier.
WENDY ISNARDI, SUFFERS FROM PPD: I always worry about everything. I would be afraid that I left like a window open or a door unlocked or the oven on or an iron. I would go to work, leave my job, come back home to make sure that I turned everything off, which I knew that I did.
FEYERICK: After giving birth to Madison (ph) four years ago, those worries turned very dark and very frightening. Wendy became obsessed. Something or someone, even Wendy herself, might hurt the baby.
ISNARDI: I was afraid that she would fall down the stairs. She would drown in the tub. Whether it was by me, by my husband, by somebody, I was just horribly -- I was horrified.
FEYERICK: The violent thoughts kept playing in her mind, getting worse and worse.
ISNARDI: Every time I would try to, you know, stop the thoughts, they would just come on strong and the anxiety would get stronger and stronger.
FEYERICK: It got so bad, Wendy was afraid to be alone with her own child.
(on camera): Did you think, oh, my God, could I be an Andrea Yates?
ISNARDI: Yes, of course. That was my worst fear. And I think that's what I kind of hid myself. I would just stay in my room and just be away from everything, because everything would be safe.
FEYERICK (voice-over): Andrea Yates is the mother who drown her five young children in the bath tub. Yates was diagnosed with post- partum psychosis. Wendy was not. Her problem was different, something more common than most people realize. It wasn't just post- partum depression, but post-partum OCD, obsessive compulsive disorder triggered by the birth of her baby.
Doctor Shari Lusskin is a psychiatrist who treats mental illness in new moms.
DR. SHARI LUSSKIN, NYU MEDICAL CENTER: Up to 40 percent of mothers who have post-partum depression also have obsessive thoughts. And in general, in contrast to OCD in other situations, women who are post-partum have obsessions about the baby. So they worry in particular that they are going to do harm to the baby.
FEYERICK: That fear became so great, Wendy withdrew. Experts say that's a common reaction among new moms suffering from the disorder.
ISNARDI: I am scared to death. I didn't understand. I just cried.
FEYERICK: Wendy's husband, who is a police officer, and her mom, Pat, cared for the baby full-time for almost three months.
(on camera): Did you think that she could actually hurt the baby?
PAT GUTTILLA, WENDY'S MOTHER: Oh, no. No. I was more concerned that she would possibly hurt herself, not the baby.
SONIA MURDOCK, POST-PARTUM RESOURCE CENTER: The fears of OCD with moms are very, very real.
FEYERICK (voice-over): Sonia Murdock runs the Post-Partum Resource Center of New York, which is where she and Wendy first met.
(on camera): Do these women fear that if they share their concerns, their thoughts, that their child might be taken from them?
MURDOCK: Absolutely. That is one of the greatest fears of moms going through post-partum OCD. They are afraid that they are going to be judged as bad people, bad mothers.
FEYERICK (voice-over): Murdock and other experts say many women don't seek help because they are so ashamed of their own thoughts. But the overwhelming question, could these violent thoughts lead a woman to harm her own baby?
LUSSKIN: The short answer is, absolutely not. The hallmark of OCD is that the patient recognizes that the thoughts are illogical and, therefore, they won't act on them.
ISNARDI: I was so afraid, and I wanted to love her and hug her and kiss her, but I was afraid of, I don't know what.
FEYERICK: The first three months of her baby's life went by in a blur. That's when Wendy, a self-described perfectionist, reached out for help. Through her lamaze coach, she got in touch with a therapist and a psychiatrist who put her on anti-anxiety medication.
ISNARDI: As soon as I started getting help and when I joined the group at the resource center, there were other women there, other mothers that were going through the same thing. And it made it more normal to me.
FEYERICK: Wendy now volunteers at the Post-Partum Resource Center, talking to other women about her own experiences. As for her daughter --
ISNARDI: Got to move out of the way when I come back, OK?
FEYERICK: The fear of really hurting her is all but gone.
(on camera): Do any of these thoughts come back?
ISNARDI: Not really, no. I mean if they do, it's just a thought, and I just am able to, you know, just let it pass, just like anything else.
FEYERICK: When you look at Madison now, are you afraid you're going to hurt her?
ISNARDI: No, never. I love her so much. She is my life.
FEYERICK (voice-over): A life so precious Wendy and her husband are now talking about having a second child. Deborah Feyerick, CNN, New York.
ZAHN: One more thing to report here. A woman could be at higher risk for post-partum OCD if she has a family history of depression or obsessive compulsive disorder, if she has suffered any trauma in her life or if she was depressed during her pregnancy.
With the price of oil over $70 a barrel, meet the oil man in the unpleasant position of being the poster child for rising gas prices and greed. Up next, how would you like his $400 million retirement deal and how would you justify it?
Plus, the celebrity baby name game. How do you feel about Tom and Katie's decision to name their daughter Suri? What about Gwyneth and Chris' decision to name their son Moses?
Now on to number four in our CNN.com countdown. The rescue in New York last night of passengers who were in two cable cars that got stuck in midair. Officials still trying to find out why the system lost power. It took about 12 hours to get everyone out. You can imagine how terrifying it would have been to be suspended up there in that dark sky.
Number three just ahead. We'll be right back.
ZAHN: Well, for the third straight day, the price of oil hit a record, reaching $72 a barrel. You don't have to look very far now to see $3 a gallon gas. It's going to go higher this summer. So what would you do if you heard that the guy who just retired as ExxonMobil's chief executive reportedly got a $400 million retirement deal? Here's Ali Velshi.
ALI VELSHI, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): You probably don't know this man. For years he was the face of big oil. If you're a driver, he might be the face you want on your dartboard. Lee Raymond retired in January as the head of ExxonMobil, the most profitable oil company in the world. American drivers currently shell out $212 million more per day for gasoline than they did a year ago, a lot of money right. So is $168 million. That's the about the value of Lee Raymond's compensation as he retired from Exxon-Mobile after 42 years. The last 12 of them as chairman. Justified or not it makes Raymond and ExxonMobil easy targets.
With unleaded gas averaging about $2.80 a gallon. Drivers are looking to someone to blame. Renewed frustrations about gas prices have led to renewed calls in Washington for investigations into the oil industry and for a windfall tax on oil companies. Lee Raymond doesn't want to hear it.
LEE RAYMOND, FORMER CEO, EXXONMOBIL: Back in 1998, when prices went down to $10, I don't recall anybody in Washington calling me up and saying, are you guys having a hard time, what can we do to help. I'm not interested in hearing from them when prices are $10. And I'm not interested in hearing from them when prices are $40, $50.
VELSHI: Most oil execs have downplayed the prophets. Raymond's not so much for the low profile. He called the criticism short- sighted and politically motivated.
RAYMOND: A single quarter or a single year, which may be interesting from a political circus point of view , is not really all that significant in the time frame that we operate in.
VELSHI: Ten years is a better time frame to consider. In fact, over the last decade, ExxonMobil shareholders have seen their investments increase by more than 200 percent. But if you are a driver, you probably feel like your wallet running on empty. Ali Velshi, CNN, New York.
ZAHN: Oh, yes, Ali. Just wait until this summer. I heard some place today in Brooklyn they were charging close to $4.50 already, a gallon.
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ZAHN: Still ahead -- what's in a name? If you are Tom and Katie's new baby, a little Hebrew, a little Persian thrown in. What's the deal with celebrities and unconventional baby names?
First, though, No. 3 in our CNN.com countdown. The mother of missing teen Natalee Holloway says she thinks the 19-year-old man arrested in Aruba may only have information about her daughter's disappearance, and may not actually have been involved in any crime. No. 2 on our list, next.
ZAHN: Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes picked a name with multiple meanings in multiple languages for their new baby born yesterday and that happens to be No. 2 on our countdown tonight. Her name, Suri, is unconventional but it's certainly not the strangest name celebrity parents picked lately. Here's Jeanne Moos with more.
JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At least after all those public displays of affection, they have something to show for it. Tom plus Katie equals...
PETER CASTRO, PEOPLE MAGAZINE: TomKat.
MOOS: And a TomKat baby equals...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A TomKitten.
MOOS: The parents smitten with their Tom Kitten named her Suri, a name that means princess in Hebrew and red rose in Persian. But in Japanese...
(on camera): But apparently it means pick pocket in Japanese.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Really?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you have a red rose Persian princess who pick pockets.
MOOS (voice-over): It could be worse. The star of "My Name is Earl" named his kid Pilot Inspektor. Rachel Griffiths from "Six Feet Under" named hers Banjo. And Penn from Penn and Teller named his Moxie CrimeFighter.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think the parents did it to satisfy their ego.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Basically, I like Tom, Dick, Harry, John, Fred. Then you have nothing to live up to.
MOOS: It's one thing to name your dog Twiggy.
(on camera): Hey, Twiggy.
(voice-over): Another to name your daughter Apple, as Gwyneth Paltrow did.
(on camera): Like if your kid's name's Apple, what kind of jokes are people going to make?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Apple sauce. What are your kids going to be, apple sauce when you beat them or something? I don't know.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They'll call her a fruit.
MOOS (voice-over): Nothing wrong with fruit as Gwyneth explained to Oprah. "Apples are so sweet and they're wholesome and it's biblical. I just thought it sounded so lovely and clean."
Not quite lovely and clean was what Tom Cruise told "G.Q." magazine. JON STEWART, SHOW HOST: He said that after his baby is born, he's going to eat the placenta and the umbilical cord.
MOOS: Jon Stewart pointed out that Tom was joking, but what with all the couch hopping, word spread on the Web that the Scientologist was serious.
STEWART: Pan roasted with a little bit of leek.
MOOS: And what are the chances of Tom's fiancee giving birth?
CASTRO: Not only on the same day but in the very same hospital and on the same floor as his former nemesis Brooke Shields.
MOOS: Remember how Tom and Brooke parted ways over taking drugs for post-partum depression?
TOM CRUISE, ACTOR: And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry.
MOOS: It's been a long nine months.
(on camera): Poor little TomKitten is already the butt of jokes on the Internet.
(voice-over): TomKat baby from outer space portrays TomKitten as an alien. And "Dial a Fetus" shows TomKitten talking on a cell to Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie's fetus. When TomKitten is born, it takes one look around and decides to return to the womb. The womb looks pretty good if you knew these people would kill for a baby picture. Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
ZAHN: Life in the fast lane for those folks. Coming up, the unsexiest man in America revealed tonight. Stay tuned.
ZAHN: No. 1 on our countdown tonight, Boston paper naming comedian Gilbert Gottfried as the world's unsexiest man. That's it for all of us tonight. Thanks for being with us, see you again tomorrow night.
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