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Evangelical Christians Taking Over Air Force Academy?; Twin Sisters Torn Apart By Schizophrenia; President Bush Returns Home to Find Controversy Over Iraq Raging
Aired November 21, 2005 - 20:00 ET
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PAULA ZAHN, CNN ANCHOR: And good evening, everyone. We really appreciate your joining us.
Tonight, a battle the Bush administration wanted to avoid -- it is still going full speed ahead and at full volume.
ZAHN (voice-over): A new front opens in the ferocious war of words over Iraq.
DICK CHENEY, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This is revisionism of the most corrupt and shameless variety.
ZAHN: The name-calling is bruising and personal.
REP. JOHN MURTHA (D), PENNSYLVANIA: They have compared me to Michael Moore. Give me a break, for crying out loud.
ZAHN: But will all the angry words end the war any sooner?
SEN. JOSEPH BIDEN (D), DELAWARE: I believe the administration has brought us to the verge of a national security debacle.
ZAHN: Flying on faith -- are evangelical Christians taking over the Air Force Academy?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're just trying to -- to take the Constitution by the -- the bull by the horns and -- and -- and twist it an contort it, torture it, bludgeon it into their own sacred golden cow, and then have us all worship it.
ZAHN: There's been outrage. There's been an investigation. But has anything really changed?
Divided minds -- the amazing story of twin sisters who are exact opposites. One hears voices.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They say, burn, baby, burn. And then they start telling me that I have to kill myself.
ZAHN: Her sister is a psychiatrist.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can't stop her. I can't. I'm a psychiatrist. I'm her twin sister. And I can't stop her. ZAHN: Tonight, a family torn apart by schizophrenia.
ZAHN: President Bush is home from Asia tonight, but, in stepping off Air Force One just a few hours ago, he was coming home to the very messy controversy over Iraq.
Chief national correspondent John King has been listening to today's round of competing arguments and says some of the name-calling has been toned down, but not all of it.
JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The vice president's mission was to tone down one Iraq war political fight and sharpen the already heated rhetoric in another.
CHENEY: But he is a good man, a Marine, a patriot.
KING: Those kind words for Democratic Congressman Jack Murtha, whose call to bring the troops home in six months initially drew a scathing White House rebuke.
But, before heading home from Asia, the president told senior aides the initial Murtha rebuttal was too personal and said publicly that, while he disagreed with him, the congressman is a fine man.
Echoing the president's tone, the vice president called Murtha a friend, but made clear the White House thinks his timetable carries a dangerous risk.
CHENEY: Would the United States and other free nations be better off or worse off with Zarqawi, bin Laden and Zawahiri in control of Iraq?
KING: The sharper rhetoric was aimed at Democrats who suggest the president deliberately exaggerated the Iraqi threat to win public and congressional support for the war.
SEN. JOHN KERRY (D), MASSACHUSETTS: The war in Iraq was and remains one of the great acts of misleading and deception in the American history.
SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV), MINORITY LEADER: The fact of the matter is that -- you can't escape this -- is that the administration manipulated the evidence.
CHENEY: Flaws in the intelligence are plain enough, in hindsight. But any suggestion that pre-war information was distorted, hyped or fabricated by the leader of the nation is utterly false. This is revisionism of the most corrupt and shameless variety.
KING: Rebutting the argument Mr. to sledding the country to the war because the toll on the president's credibility is mounting and has ramifications for his entire second-term agenda. PETER HART, DEMOCRATIC POLLSTER: At this stage of the game, the American public says, "I no longer believe you." And we are not talking about those people who are liberal Democrats. We're talking about the middle of the electorate.
KING: Another reason the administration believes it can focus more on the pre-war intelligence debate is, even Democrats who label the Bush Iraq policy a disaster, like Delaware Senator Joseph Biden, disagree with Congressman Murtha's six-month withdrawal timetable.
BIDEN: The hard truth is that our large military presence in Iraq is both necessary and increasingly counterproductive. Our presence remains necessary, because, right now, our troops are the only guarantor against chaos.
KING: While tough on Bush policy, Biden said, at best, U.S. troop levels could reduced from 150,000 to 100,000 by the end of next year. And, with that the emerging Democratic consensus, many Republicans are pushing the administration to lay out a plan for beginning to reduce U.S. troop levels.
(on camera): The president has consistently said his decisions will be based on progress in Iraq, not political pressures. But senior administration officials tells CNN, if next month's Iraqi elections go well, Mr. Bush is prepared to embrace reducing U.S. troop levels, perhaps in his State of the Union address early next year.
John King, CNN, Washington.
ZAHN: And when Democratic Congressman John Murtha spoke out against the administration last week, Republican lawmakers rushed to the microphones to slam him.
Arizona's J.D. Hayworth was part of that pile-on chorus.
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REP. J.D. HAYWORTH (R), ARIZONA: The majority's exit strategy is victory and freedom for the people of Iraq. Now, sadly, many on the Democratic side have revealed their exit strategy: surrender.
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ZAHN: That was last Thursday.
But, as we just saw in John King's report, the latest calls for a change in policy don't mention the words surrender.
I asked Congressman Hayworth about that just a short while ago.
ZAHN: Senator Biden gave a speech today at the Council on Foreign Relations. And he says, the mission isn't so clear, that, on his last trip to Iraq, he -- he had a number of flag officers tell him that you cannot succeed taking on this insurgency movement right now, that you don't have the proper troop strength in place, that you don't even the -- the right shuffling of the deck right now in terms of mixture of Iraqi forces and American forces.
HAYWORTH: And, as we know, we're working to bring the Iraqi forces more into the mix.
But I thought it was interesting that Vice President Cheney gave a speech today where he asked this question: Would we be safer if the likes of al-Zarqawi and al-Zawahiri and bin Laden used Iraq as the central front on the war on terror, if they had control of the country, if they, in fact, used that as the communication between Zawahiri and Zarqawi points out as a central point in a modern caliphate, to basically take over the Middle East with radical Islamofascism? Would we be safer there? No.
There -- many can quibble on the points. And I'm not here to be an armchair general trying to articulate the tactics. But the broad and general goal should be victory, rather than retreat, should be getting it done, rather than cutting and run. And that's the vote that was reaffirmed on Friday night. And I believe the American people accept that.
ZAHN: Are you satisfied, though, at -- at -- at the pace with which the U.S. is trying to take on this insurgency movement?
HAYWORTH: Well, I don't know what -- what pace I would prescribe.
I think we have been very aggressive. And I think the fact is, you heard the reports from Mosul over the weekend. We may not have gotten al-Zarqawi. But we continue to take out terrorists. And I think that is vitally important. And I think more important is, of course, to bring the Iraqi, both their constabulary and their military, into the mix, as is being done daily.
There's a long way to go, but the fact is, the -- the initial conflict in Iraq was won fairly quickly. The fact is, Saddam Hussein is behind bars. The fact is, within the month, there will be elections bringing the constitution to fruition with a government with some permanence. And I think the world is much better off and the American nation is much better off with a free Iraq, even with the continued insurgency, largely from imported terrorists, like al- Zarqawi, who came from Jordan, and others who have come across the Syrian Borden and the Iranian border.
ZAHN: The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Pace, has said, at this stage, only 500 to 700 Iraqi troops are capable of operating on their own. How troubling is that to you?
HAYWORTH: Well, I think it offers incentive to make sure that more and more Iraqi troops are brought into the mix. And I think that -- that training continues apace. Is it a concern? You bet.
ZAHN: What does that mean to U.S. troops? HAYWORTH: What does that mean to U.S. troops?
ZAHN: When -- when will U.S. troops finally be out of Iraq?
HAYWORTH: I don't know. I don't have a crystal ball.
I do know we have been in the Bosnian theater, in the Balkans, for some 10 years. And there seems to be no scrutiny of that, when we were promised a very short time there.
But, look, the fact is that our troops are the best-trained, the greatest volunteer force the world has ever seen. They're doing an outstanding job. And, as we have heard, in -- in my office in innumerable e-mails from men and women serving in Iraq, they do not believe we should cut and run. They want to see the mission through.
But I'm not going to sit here with a crystal ball and tell you by a date certain. I think it would be unhelpful to the dialogue. And I think, again, it would give our enemies false encouragement.
ZAHN: And that was J.D. Hayworth, talking to us a little bit earlier this evening.
Tonight, there is a startling revelation about the young teenage girl whose boyfriend allegedly killed her parents and then kidnapped her. Was it all against her will?
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CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Chris Lawrence outside the Tacoma mall in Washington, where we are new learning about a young man accused of shooting eight people inside and kidnapping four others.
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ZAHN: Also, we will be following up on a story we told you about involving a big controversy at the Air Force Academy. A former chaplain leveled allegations of religious intolerance. Has anything changed since then?
ZAHN: "The world will feel my pain." Those chilling words were in a text message allegedly sent by the suspect in a bloody shooting rampage at a mall in Tacoma, Washington, just yesterday. Six people were wounded. And, tonight, one of them is still clinging to life in critical condition.
Here's Chris Lawrence with more of the shocking details we're just beginning to learn about the alleged gunman.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) LAWRENCE (voice-over): A judge set bail at $2 million for Dominick Maldonado. But it's the not first time a court judgment has gone against him.
CNN has learned Maldonado has four prior convictions while he was a juvenile, including one for burglary that makes it illegal for him to have a gun. Maldonado pleaded not guilty on Monday to charges that he shot eight shoppers and kidnapped several others in a Tacoma, Washington, mall.
His ex-girlfriend says she is not surprised by the accusations against Maldonado.
TIFFANY ROBISON, EX-GIRLFRIEND OF DOMINICK SERGIO MALDONADO: Because of the way he's talked in the past, the way he's thought, and he said he wanted to do something stupid. He didn't go into details. He didn't explain.
LAWRENCE: Tiffany Robison says Maldonado text-messaged her cell phone, then called her as he barricaded himself inside a music store.
ROBISON: He is like: I'm crazy. I'm crazy. I can't do this. I'm crazy. And he's like: I have got to let you go. I'm on the other line with the police.
And that was the end of that.
LAWRENCE: Prosecutors say Maldonado walked into the mall Sunday with two guns and a bagful of ammunition.
RON COLSTON, EYEWITNESS: And I had already heard about four or five shots. And he shot about five or six times more. He had a smile on his face. And this is what I could not believe.
LAWRENCE: Ron Colston saw one woman go down after being shot and told his family to run.
COLSTON: And they ran out the door toward the back. And I looked for my wife. And I got my wife and granddaughter out the door.
LAWRENCE: Police say Maldonado barricaded himself inside the music store with four hostages. It took four hours before he finally gave up and turned over his weapons.
Doug Bird runs a security firm in Tacoma. Bird says authorities have worried for years that light security at malls make them potential terrorist targets, but they are also very vulnerable to everyday violent crimes.
DOUG BIRD, U.S. SECURITY SERVICES: By having somebody with a nice, crisp uniform on and a badge, I don't think that deters anybody. They have to have the equipment to do that. If I'm security, and somebody wants to a commit a crime, a perpetrator wants to a commit a crime, and he's armed and I'm not, what good am I?
LAWRENCE: In Maldonado's case, the security guards were not armed. But there are police officers stationed at the mall. And even security experts admit it's a lot tougher to prevent this kind of random shooting than react after it's already started.
(on camera): After he was arrested, detectives searched Maldonado's home. Prosecutors say they found bomb-making diagrams, as well as a formula for making the poison gas ricin.
Chris Lawrence, CNN, Tacoma, Washington.
ZAHN: And joining me for an exclusive interview is someone who survived the rampage and the standoff. She happens to be the manager of the store where the standoff dragged on for four hours. Her name is Katherine Riggans.
We really appreciate your joining us tonight.
At the time that you were being held hostage, did you fear that this man was going to kill you?
KATHERINE RIGGANS, HOSTAGE IN MALL STANDOFF: Actually, I didn't.
He was extremely calm, you know, making sure that we were OK. His personality changed quite a bit after he had entered the store and sat down with us.
ZAHN: And -- and, at some points, I understand you found him considerate. He was afraid that you were even getting cold sitting next an air-conditioning duct. Didn't you...
ZAHN: Didn't that strike you as odd?
RIGGANS: He had -- he appeared to me to be a young man who was very troubled, was reaching out for help and wanting somebody to listen to him, maybe not knowing what he was doing.
But he was extremely considerate of all of us, checking to make sure that we were OK, did we need water, could he have, you know, called in to have somebody shut off the A.C. for us, allowed us to go to the bathroom, and sat there very calmly.
ZAHN: And there was a point where you thought a corner -- a corner had really been turned, where he let a young boy free and even said to him, I hope this doesn't harm you long term.
ZAHN: Describe what happened.
At the time that they had negotiated to remove a injured victim outside of our store, going that everything went well with that, he agreed to release the child. Before he did it, he asked him to come over to him, asked his name and his age, and then proceeded to tell him that him, himself, was a very messed-up individual. He needed help. He had hoped that this doesn't harm this child in any way with his development. He was very sorry that he had to be in the mall and in the store when this had happened.
ZAHN: Were you able to talk to Dominick Maldonado, the man charged now in this shooting spree, about why he was up to this in the first place?
RIGGANS: He had had a personal issues with officials in the police department that he wanted to speak to in his earlier years of being a teenager, wanted to be heard, wanted an apology, wanted everybody to know the pain that he felt.
ZAHN: And did that make any sense to you, as you're being held hostage for some four hours, not knowing -- knowing whether you were going to survive or not?
RIGGANS: At that point, you know, he had told his demands to speak to these individuals. He was getting the attention that he was looking for. Of course we had news coverage, somebody to pay attention to him.
ZAHN: Well, I know that your calm during this whole thing is credited with perhaps saving some lives among those other hostages that were held with you.
Katherine Riggans, thank you for sharing your part of the story with us.
RIGGANS: You're welcome.
ZAHN: We appreciate it.
And we have also come across one of the most unusual stories about twin sisters. One happens to be a psychiatrist. The other suffers from schizophrenia -- and, coming up, a look at their opposite worlds and the remarkable bond that has held them together.
Right now, though, it's 19 minutes after the hour. Time to go to Headline News to update this hour's top stories -- Sophia.
SOPHIA CHOI, CNN HEADLINE NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Paula, a political earthquake in Israel. Israel's prime minister, Ariel Sharon, has resigned from Likud, the party he helped found more than 30 years ago. He is forming a new centrist party and pressing for early elections. Sharon has been criticized by hard-line Likud Party members for his decision to pull out of Gaza and parts of the West Bank. He will seek a third term in new elections expected to be held in March.
And shocking numbers on the AIDS epidemic -- the U.N. says a record 40 million people are living with HIV. The highest rates of infection are in sub-Saharan Africa, Central Asia and Eastern Europe. This year alone, almost five million people have been infected, and three million died. Also, China is reporting two new outbreaks of bird flu in poultry and warns that the risk to humans is growing. At the same time, the U.S. today banned poultry from the Canadian province of British Columbia because of bird flu. Canadian officials say the virus found in an infected duck is not the strain in Southeast Asia that has been blamed for the deaths of more than 60 people.
And, for the second year in a row, a dubious honor for the city of Camden, New Jersey -- according to one company's rankings, it is the most dangerous city in the U.S. That finding is based on city crime statistics. Detroit is the second most dangerous city, followed by St. Louis, Flint, Michigan, and Richmond, Virginia.
Paula, the safest city, Newton, Massachusetts.
And those are the headlines.
ZAHN: Sophia, thanks so much. Appreciate it.
There are several new bombshells tonight to share with you in the case of the teenager accused of shooting his girlfriend's parents and then running away with her -- coming up next, what police found in their search of the getaway car and the biggest revelation of all.
And, later, has anything changed at the Air Force Academy after the uproar over allegations of religious intolerance?
And, before he was elected pope, Benedict XVI was known to be the man who enforced church doctrine. But could it be that he has a bit of fashion police in him?
We will explain.
ZAHN: Tonight, I have some disturbing new information on a brutal crime that we have been following. It's been one week since police in Indiana captured an 18-year-old suspected of murdering his 14-year-old girlfriend's parents in Pennsylvania and then running off with her.
Well, tonight, police documents say the suspect confessed right after he was caught. And, tonight, we finally have an answer to the question, did his girlfriend go with him voluntarily or was she kidnapped?
Here's Jason Carroll.
JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Two silver hearses carried the bodies of Michael and Cathryn Borden in a funeral procession on Saturday. Hundreds of people in this small religious community mourn their deaths and try to understand how this horrific double murder could have happened here. TINA SHYVER-PLANK, FAMILY FRIEND OF BORDENS: We're all completely devastated. It is has just like it ripped down through the center of our hearts. But we are all like a family. They're a big Christian family. And we are pulling together.
CARROLL: Police are learning more about the suspected killer, 18-year-old David Ludwig. He's accused of going to the home of his 14-year-old girlfriend, Kara Borden, and shooting her parents after an argument over their relationship.
Police say he then took Borden with him as he tried to flee. But prosecutors say Borden told detectives she left of her own free will. When we spoke to Borden's attorney, he would not comment on that. Her community is standing behind her.
DAVID SHEAFFER, FAMILY FRIEND OF BORDENS: She is a -- a child of God. And we have forgiven her. We all make mistakes. And if -- if it comes out that there was a situation there, then so be it. But we still love her and we are going to pray for her and -- and do whatever we can for them.
CARROLL: When Ludwig and Borden were found after the shooting, hundreds of miles away in Indiana, court documents released today say Ludwig was taken into custody, where he confessed to the murder of Michael and Cathryn Borden.
Another document says, Ludwig advised that the murder weapon, a Glock Model 27 semiautomatic pistol, was under the driver's front seat of his vehicle. In Ludwig's car, police also found a rifle, numerous rounds of ammunition, a black hood, and a black stocking mask. Ludwig's attorney did not return our calls today.
Back at the teenager's house, police found a videotape in which they say Ludwig and a friend planned an armed forcible entry. Ludwig also discusses having an intimate relationship with Borden.
In a separate development, Warwick, Pennsylvania, Township police chaplain confirmed that, before his relationship with Borden, Ludwig had run off with a former girlfriend last spring, but that situation was resolved by his and the girl's families.
CARROLL: Kidnapping charges against Ludwig will be withdrawn later this week during a preliminary hearing, but he still faces those two homicide charges. As for Borden, her attorney tells me that she is devastated and, at this point, Paula, she is being well cared for, so he says, by her family.
ZAHN: So, what else did police learn from her once they questioned her?
CARROLL: That's interesting, because, apparently, detectives say that she got about 15 feet away from the house, and then Ludwig drove up, and, when she saw him in the car, she willingly got inside, telling him she wanted to get as far west as possible, get married and start a whole new life -- Paula.
ZAHN: That's quite a bit of a bombshell that it sounds like the prosecution is going to use.
Jason Carroll, thanks so much for the update.
Coming up next, we are going to follow up on a story we brought earlier this year. Does getting ahead at the Air Force Academy mean getting involved with religious intolerance?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have organizations just outside the gate of the academy who have as their agenda to -- to make themselves known on the academy, to gain recruits from Air Force officers, and to guide the military in -- in certain ways.
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ZAHN: Coming up next, the controversy over who is shaping the minds of our military's future leaders.
And then, a little bit later on, who would have guessed back in April that the Catholic cardinals were electing a fashion trendsetter?
Also ahead, why did these twin sisters' lives go in such dramatically different directions?
ZAHN: I have some important news tonight on a story we first brought you back in May. Serious allegations of religious intolerance at the U.S. Air Force Academy in Colorado.
You might remember that a Protestant chaplain at the academy resigned from the Air Force, after going public with claims that other academy chaplains improperly tried to convert cadets.
Well, an Air Force report found perceptions of pro-Christian bias at the academy, but no overt religious discrimination. And then in August, the academy issued new guidelines on religion.
So, this many months later, has anything changed? Here's Sean Callebs.
SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was going to be different this year at the Air Force Academy. A new superintendent and a new era of religious tolerance. That was before a husband and wife working for the evangelical organization, the Navigators, sent out a newsletter last month. Missionaries, Darren and Gina Lindblom wrote, "praise God, that we have been allowed access by the academy into the cadet area. We have recently been given an unused classroom to meet with cadets at any time during the day." The newsletter quoted a freshman cadet who said he was "trusting the Lord to impact the lives of 200 men with the Gospel, by the time of I graduate from the academy."
Controversy? Not according to one of the 16 chaplains at the Air Force Academy.
CHAPLAIN PHILLIP GUIN, USAF: Well, you could say much ado about nothing.
CALLEBS: Chaplain Phillip Guin calls it, an overzealous effort by a young couple.
GUIN: Of course, it created a fire storm again for us here. So, that's a difficulty, that's a challenge for us. But, you know, I don't think they intended for that to be the case.
CALLEBS: The newsletter ended with this. "We respectfully request that you not share this letter publicly."
MIKEY WEINSTEIN, AIR FORCE ACADEMY GRADUATE: They might as well have put a big banner on there, saying make sure someone gets this to Mikey Weinstein and his lawyers.
CALLEBS: Mikey Weinstein is suing the Air Force. The academy graduate and former attorney in the Reagan White House is Jewish. He contends, the academy has been trampling on the Constitutional prohibition against mixing church and state by allowing evangelical Christians to trumpet their message over all other religions at the Air Force Academy.
WEINSTEIN: They're just trying to take the constitution, by the bull, by the horns, and twist it and contort it, torture it, bludgeon it, into their own sacred golden cow and then have us all worship it.
CALLEBS: The chaplain says the Navigators is one of 19 different groups from various religions and denominations that meet weekly with cadets. More than 90 percent of the 4,300 cadets call themselves Christian. Of that, more than one-third say they are evangelical.
Guin says the evangelical group gets no special treatment. And the room on campus that the Lindbloms used to meet with cadets, is used by a number of these groups. The Lindbloms didn't return our calls.
Lauren Libby is vice president with the Navigators.
LAUREN LIBBY, VICE PRESIDENT, THE NAVIGATORS: We've been at the U.S. Air Force Academy for a couple of decades, and work very closely with the chaplains, and we're there's a spiritual resource to the cadet corps.
CALLEBS: The Navigators, and other evangelical groups are headquartered in Colorado Springs, practically right next door to the academy, where Melinda Morton was once a chaplain. Morton resigned from the service in July and says the proximity of the academy to evangelical religious groups cannot be ignored.
MELINDA MORTON, FORMER AIR FORCE CHAPLAIN: You have organizations just outside the gate of the academy, who have as their agenda, to make themselves known on the academy, to gain recruits from Air Force officers, and to guide the military in certain ways.
GUIN: I don't view the folks that come here as missionaries, per se. I view them as, just an arm of what -- who we are as chaplains.
CALLEBS: Reverend Morton says powerful evangelical Christian groups are misleading the public, saying Mikey Weinstein and other critics are trying to silence religious freedom.
MORTON: As if it were somehow a battle between the faithful and the unfaithful, about people who take their religion seriously and about people who care nothing about faith, and religion, and spirituality. But that is a lie. And there's no other way that I can say that. That is a lie.
CALLEBS: Weinstein says he offered to settle with the Air Force, by asking the service to stop evangelizing people against their will. The Air Force didn't respond. The case could be in federal court by the time the 2006 class graduates in the spring.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Left turn, march.
CALLEBS: Sean Callebs, CNN, Colorado Springs.
ZAHN: And now, there's this. Four Air Force second lieutenants have joined Weinstein's lawsuit. They include Weinstein's own son Casey and three other class of 2004 graduates.
Well, here in New York among fashionista circles, they say, the devil wears Prada. That's a name of a brand-new book. But at the Vatican, could it possibly be, you know who?
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The pope wears Prada.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let me see that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The pope wears Prada. I don't wear Prada.
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ZAHN: They say a pope wears the shoes of the fisherman, but just what kind of shoes are they these days? Stay with us.
ZAHN: Pope Benedict has had a solid six months to get used to his new job and the those papal perks like living in the Vatican surrounded by some of the most amazing and priceless works of art. So, why does it seem weird to hear that people are really think it it's strange that the pope is wearing Prada these days? Here's Jeanne Moos. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Never has papal footwear had this kind of scrutiny.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They look fairly pricey and upscale.
MOOS: If, according to a recent best-seller, "The Devil Wears Prada", why not the pope?
(On camera): The pope wears Prada.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let me see that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The pope wears Prada. I don't wear Prada.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my!
MOOS (voice over): And it's not just the shoes.
(On camera): These are supposed to be Gucci.
(Voice over): Gucci sunglasses? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Holy Mackerel!
(Voice over): The operative word is, "holy". But some who report on religion don't buy it.
DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN FAITH & VALUES CORRESPONDENT: What I'm saying is if does wear Prada, he doesn't know he's wearing Prada. He doesn't know what sort of glasses he's got on, he can barely find his glasses, probably.
MOOS: CNN's faith and values correspondent says Pope Benedict is a 78-year-old intellectual. He's reading scholarly books not Italian vogue. Nevertheless, from European newspapers to a Catholic publication to "Newsweek", Pope Benedict's fashion sense is under the microscope. We haven't seen this much interest in red shoes since Dorothy, tapped her's together.
JUDY GARLAND, ACTRESS, "WIZARD OF OZ": There's no place like home.
MOOS: And there are no shoes like Prada.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know what they say about those?
MOOS (on camera): What?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Angles don't wear red shoes.
MOOS: Well, actually, it's ...
MUSIC MOOS: We couldn't quite nail down whether Pope Benedict's shoes are absolutely positively Prada. The company couldn't confirm it. Other Vatican fashion rumors, likewise unconfirmed, have it that the pope is neglecting the tailor shop that's made papal garments for over 200 years, in favor of his own personal tailor. There were stories of a fashion faux pas when the new pope made his debut.
GALLAGHER: His cassock was about that high, you know, his hemline was of the cassock was that high from his ankles.
MOOS: Normally it's down here, instead of up there. There's also talk about the pope's handsome personal assistant wearing pricy shoes from Tod's.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you call him the pope's George Clooney.
MOOS: Next thing you know, they'll say that's Fendi fur the pope used as wind screens on this microphones. We're pretty sure the souls the pope wants to save aren't on the bottom of Prada shoes.
(On camera): They say he's a real intellectual and the last thing on his mind would be designers, except for maybe intelligent design.
(Voice over): Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
ZAHN: You can always count on Jeanne for an original take.
Did you hear anything about today's stunning announcement from the world's biggest carmaker? Sophia Choi has details in the Headline News business break.
ZAHN: We appreciate that. Sophia Choi.
We have just gotten in some amazing pictures from the end of a police chase in southeast Georgia. They're from a camera that was actually mounted on the dash board of a Camden County sheriff's car. A deputy has just pulled over a pickup truck after a chase that went to speeds of nearly 100 miles per hour. Watch and listen.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, no. Get down! Get down!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shots fired.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're coming. Greg, we're coming.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Suspect is down. Suspect is down. Multiple gunshots, wounds to the chest. (END VIDEOTAPE)
ZAHN: So to help you better understand it, the man you just saw waving the gun at the side of the road was killed. He had apparently left his truck in gear which is why it pulled away. Authorities say it's obvious the deputy had no choice but to use deadly force. The investigation is ongoing and has now been turned over to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. Amazing.
Coming up next, a really interesting story of twin sisters whose lives are complete opposites. Yet, they're trying to connect.
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CAROLYN SPIRO: She doesn't really understand what she means to me.
PHILLIPS: Can you imagine life without your sister, Pam?
PAMELA WAGNER: No.
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ZAHN: It is a fascinating story. One sister is a psychiatrist, the other suffers from schizophrenia. How is that possible? Stay with us for their story.
ZAHN: And at the top of the hour, Larry King has quite an exclusive. "The Washington Post's" Bob Woodward reveals more about his role in the CIA leak investigation, including some interesting details about how he learned about the identity of Valerie Plame.
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LARRY KING, HOST, LARRY KING LIVE: Did the source indicate whether Mrs. Plame was an undercover agent or a desk analyst?
BOB WOODWARD, WASHINGTON POST: Good question. And specifically said that -- the source did -- that she was a WMD, weapons of mass destruction, analyst.
Now, I've been covering the CIA for over three decades. And analysts except -- in fact, I don't even know of a case, maybe there are cases, but they're not undercover.
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ZAHN: Stay tuned for Bob Woodward. He'll be speaking exclusively with "LARRY KING LIVE" at the top of the hour.
Back to our show now. I don't know anyone who's not fascinated by twins. To see two people who are so much alike and have that special communication is always kind of amazing to watch, but they can also be very different.
I want you to see what happened to the twins you are about to meet. They were twin girls, identical in every way, until one started to hear voices. It was a symptom of schizophrenia, a chronic, severe and disabling disorder that affects more than 2 million Americans. Here's Kyra Phillips.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Two beautiful babies, twins. Carolyn and Pamela. So alike that it's almost impossible to tell them apart.
As the twins began to walk and talk, the comparisons began.
CAROLYN SPIRO, SISTER: I was seen as the fragile, second twin. Pammy was seen as the strong, smart twin, who didn't have problems.
PHILLIPS: And yet it was Pamela, who everyone called Pammy, the strong, smart twin, whose life began to unravel when the girls were in the sixth grade. She remembers the day she first heard the voices -- November 22nd, 1963. The day President John F. Kennedy was killed.
PAMELA SPIRO WAGNER, SISTER: It was the first time I heard voices.
PHILLIPS: What did the voices say to you?
WAGNER: They'd say things like kill him, kill her, kill him, kill her, kill him, kill her. Will you kill her? Will you kill her?
PHILLIPS: Did you tell anybody?
WAGNER: No, I didn't.
PHILLIPS: Carolyn, when did you realize...
SPIRO: That something was wrong?
PHILLIPS: ... that something was wrong.
SPIRO: Seventh grade. She didn't shower. She didn't know how to dress. She didn't do anything that all the other seventh grade kids seemed to know how to do.
PHILLIPS: Pammy struggled for years to ignore the voices. No one knew that she was suffering from schizophrenia, and she continued to excel in high school.
She was accepted to Brown University, as was her twin, Carolyn. But this is where the twins' lives took dramatically different paths.
Carolyn went on to graduate from Harvard Medical School and became a psychiatrist. She got married and had two children.
But right away, things were very different for Pammy. She overdosed on sleeping pills during her freshman year at Brown, and began cutting and burning herself.
WAGNER: All logic is suspended, and when they say, burn, baby, burn, then they start telling me that I have to kill myself, I have to do it.
PHILLIPS: Although Pamela graduated from Brown, she's never been able to keep a job, or hold on to a romantic relationship. She has spent years in and out of hospitals, fighting the demons in her head.
WAGNER: I would say it's a waking nightmare. It's hell.
PHILLIPS: Are there any alternative therapies?
Last year, the voices ordered her to light herself on fire, suicide attempts. A body covered in cigarette burns.
SPIRO: I can't stop her. I can't -- I'm a psychiatrist. I'm her twin sister, and I can't stop her.
PHILLIPS: Carolyn couldn't stop Pammy's pain, but she could help her express it. And here's where the twins, whose lives had taken such opposite paths, began to come together again.
WAGNER: I wake in a psychiatric ward, on a bare mattress on a floor of an empty room.
PHILLIPS: The sisters began a memoir called "Divided Minds."
SPIRO: I want to dare her to kill herself.
PHILLIPS: The book is a gripping tale of the tragedy of mental illness. It chronicles the tested but unbreakable bond of two sisters.
Carolyn, you wrote in the book, "I can never really know the hell in which Pammy lives. When I hang up the phone, hell disappears, but she knows nothing else. Hell is her life. When I look back over the past decades, I weep for her."
Is that hard to listen to?
SPIRO: There have been times when I've thought about Pammy's life and thought about my life, and wondered how is this fair? I have had so much joy. I have had -- I have such an incredibly wonderful life. And she has all the suffering.
WAGNER: You know, I've never felt, one, envious of Linny, and I never felt like I deserved more. Not because I feel guilty or evil, but because I could have developed cancer at age 19 and died at age 20. So, there are fates that are worse.
PHILLIPS: The last time Pamela was in the hospital was nearly a year ago.
Finding the right treatment has been difficult. Out of desperation, Pamela even resorted to electroshock therapy. Finally, her doctors found a combination of medicines that help. Still, a visiting nurse keeps the pills in a lock box, so Pamela only takes what she needs.
WAGNER: To look at me, I'm doing a million times better than I was just a year ago.
PHILLIPS: The voices are still there, but they don't control her the way they did for so long.
WAGNER: Hurtful, harmful voices don't come right now.
PHILLIPS: Yet, even today, evidence of her illness remains in her own home. She put tinfoil up on her bedroom walls to block out radio waves that she says contaminate her brain.
WAGNER: And I think that the radio waves contaminated my brain.
PHILLIPS: As babies, they were mirror images of each other. As adults, they mourn the part of their lives together that has been lost.
SPIRO: She doesn't really understand what she means to me.
PHILLIPS: Can you imagine life without your sister, Pam?
PHILLIPS: That's love.
WAGNER: Well, I -- I think it is love, I guess. I just don't know what it feels like.
SPIRO: How could I give up on her? I mean, she is part of me. But it's like -- it would be like stopping breathing myself.
ZAHN: That was Kyra Phillips reporting. Carolyn and Pamela have been on their book tour for three months now, speaking to audiences as big as 300 people, and they say at each stop audience members tell them they finally feel free to talk about schizophrenia in their families.
Tomorrow, an incredible story with serious implications for men who've made donations to sperm banks with promises of anonymity. A teenager has tracked down his own genetic father using a swab of his own saliva and resources on the Internet. Wait until you see what else we learn tomorrow night.
We appreciate you joining us. We'll be back same time, same place. "LARRY KING LIVE" starts right now.
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