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CNN LIVE SUNDAY

Peace Talks Stall In Sudan; South Carolina Slammed With Second Tropical Storm In August

Aired August 29, 2004 - 18:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: CNN LIVE SUNDAY is just ahead, but first here's what's making news right now. The hours are ticking down until the start of the Republican National Convention. But the protests have already started. Tens of thousands marched today.
South Carolina is under a state of emergency. A tropical storm pounded the coastline today. More than 100,000 are now without power.

And gas prices rose a half-cent in the past two weeks. The national average for regular is now at $1.88 a gallon.

And good evening. I'm Carol Lin, and welcome to CNN LIVE SUNDAY. Coming up, few leads in the execution-style murder on the West Coast. Investigators are appealing for help, more than a week after the couple was found shot on the beach. I'm going to talk to a criminal profiler about the search for clues.

Also, the desperate plight of the refugees in Sudan. Militia reportedly continue to kill people and drive them away from their villages, while peace talks keep hitting snags. I'm going to talk to an author who just got back from Sudan and is making the refugees' plight her cause.

ANNOUNCER: America votes 2004. This is CNN's live coverage of the Republican National Convention.

LIN: Or at least very soon. But we are going to begin in New York. One of the city's newspapers had some advice today for all the protestors in town for the Republican Convention: Play nice. And so far so good. Tens of thousands of peaceful Bush opponents marched through Manhattan today. They're starting to gather around Central Park, and that's where we find our Alina Cho. Alina, everything pretty peaceful?

ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Pretty peaceful is right, Carol. So far so good is exactly what one police spokesman said to me a moment ago.

You know, it is hard to say exactly how many protestors are here in Central Park. Police will not give estimates. They won't even say how many police officers are here, only to say that the number is adequate.

Now, we can tell you, and it is safe to say that many people that we spoke to here today said that despite the fact that protestors were denied a permit to hold a rally here in Central Park, they were going to come here anyway to prove a point, to say, listen, this is a public space, a public park, and we are going to come here to protest peacefully.

Now, that is exactly what they have done so far. As you can take a look here behind me. Police say so far no arrests here in Central Park. No reports of violence. Several anti-Bush groups have made their way here. Representing as many different causes. All of them clearly anti-Bush. We spoke to two women earlier who are members of the group Code Pink, a women's group that is anti-war.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm going to vote for Kerry. I am unhappy with his stance on Iraq, but I'm hoping that he would be open to listening more, and so I will take my chances and I will vote for him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm not going to vote.

CHO: Why not?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the last election, I voted for myself. I've lost all faith in the system. That's where I am right now. So.

CHO: But you are out here today?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah, I feel like this is my representation. This is my representation, going out and protesting. You know, but as far as voting, I'm so disillusioned right now. I am like ready to move to Mexico or something, you know?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CHO: That certainly was interesting to hear. Important to note again, that things were largely peaceful here in Central Park. But elsewhere in the city, New York City police report that there have been more than 170 arrests, including nine for felony assault on police officers. That brings the total number of convention-related arrests to close to 500. But Carol, I can tell you, though, things are not over yet. Police here are breathing a big sigh of relief. This of course was the biggest planned convention of -- of the entire convention week. And they say so far things have gone off without a hitch -- Carol.

Good news. Thank you very much, Alina.

Now, this is only the beginning. Who feels so strongly about, you know, whatever cause that they're going to spend their week doing this? Well, our Jason Bellini hit the streets to find out.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JASON BELLINI, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They want to make a mark. They know they can't shut down the Republican National Convention. What protestors can do, what they hope to do, is to steal some of the media spotlight. Jason Flores-Williams, a Rutgers University law student, considers Sunday's protest the opening act. JASON FLORES-WILLIAMS, PROTESTER: This is the beginning protest. This is a large protest. If cops maintain this open vibe and allow us to make our voices heard within sight and sound, then it will remain peaceful. But if they start pinching us, and telling us where we can go, and treating them like VIPs and treating us like trash, then the tenor of the protest might change.

BELLINI: At street level, Sunday's protest felt like a parade. Madison Square Garden served as the reviewing stand. Flores-Williams knows getting arrested is a way to get attention.

His protestor manifesto in the latest issue of "High Times" magazine included a section on how to deal with getting arrested. Remain silent is the main advice.

(on camera): In his article for "High Times" magazine, Jason writes that he believes the era of single-issue activism is over, "there are no longer any inner circles," he writes, "no longer any activist stars."

(voice-over): What you have is a cacophony of tens of thousands of protestors representing hundreds of different issues all coming together, Flores-Williams hopes, with the collective message -- we're not happy with our government.

The question not answered today -- will street theater alone keep anyone interested?

Jason Bellini, CNN, New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LIN: I know it's democracy, but it's sometimes hard to take seriously.

All right. So you can assume security is pretty tight around Madison Square Garden, and everyone is getting ready for the main event. CNN national correspondent Bob Franken has this report.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BOB FRANKEN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (on camera): Where are they now? The demonstrators by the tens of thousands are in the various stages of their protests. The security officials, by the tens of thousands also, are making sure they do everything they can to maintain the peace and be as ready as they can against any sort of attack.

The individual delegates, by the thousands, are sort of coming into town, getting ready to go through their rituals, a lot of cheering, as they nominate the vice president and president for a second term.

Where is the vice president? He is in the area. He arrived earlier in the day. Went to the Ellis Island. That's become almost a ritual stop for so many Americans to pass through to come to this city and this country.

As for the president, he is in West Virginia. He was in West Virginia for the day, making his way to New York, where he will accept the nomination on Thursday night.

He will be speaking on an especially constructed stage, a stage which will be in effect a theater in the round. Setting the stage for the campaign that really gets under way and a really rough campaign that is going to start after this convention is over.

Bob Franken, CNN, New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LIN: All right, the Republican Convention, mass protests, the U.S. Open, and a string of Yankees' home games. You might say the NYPD has a tall order for security this week. Nearly 40,000 uniformed officers are standing guard. You're seeing just some of them.

Most mailboxes and trash cans have been removed from the area surrounding Madison Square Garden. And dogs will sniff every train car before it enters the city.

Jeffrey Beatty is a security and counterterrorism consultant. He is the only American with experience in the CIA, the FBI, and the Delta Force counterterrorism units. He has trained thousands of first responders since 9/11.

Jeffrey, in your bio, you also make a startling claim as well. You worked for four different Olympics. Did you actually predict the Olympic Park bombing and the 9/11-style attacks?

JEFFREY BEATTY, COUNTERTERRORISM EXPERT: Well, we have a pretty good little piece of analytical software that -- and there is not a lot of satisfaction in predicting it, Carol, if nobody listens. But we had a piece of analytical software that said there was going to be a successful package bomb attack in Atlanta after the fifth day at the Olympic Park -- it's called the term analytical tool. And so, I think we understand the threat, and I think that that demonstrates that fact.

LIN: All right, so tell me what you know about what's going to happen in New York this coming week?

BEATTY: Well, there is something that they have got going for them in New York. Remember I just said that the attack in Atlanta would happen after the fifth day. When you have a temporal event, a temporary event, a special event, a Super Bowl, something that happens just for a couple of hours, or New Year's Eve, it's very difficult for the bad guys to plan the security, to plan their attack. Because they don't know what the security is going to look like exactly. They need some time to see it deployed. Then they can finalize their plans.

And with the short convention, it's possible that they won't have enough time to go up against the specific security precautions that are going to be seen today for the first time. LIN: Right. What do you think about the publicity about all the security in place? For example I was reading abut how a lot of the cops are going to have helmet cams so that people at a command center can see real-time activity. There are going to be hand-held nerve gas detectors. There is a special tank that can move a force -- a special force into position should there be some sort of major terrorism strike.

BEATTY: Well, these are all good technological advances. And in some cases, some of these things are going to be deployed for the first or second time at this convention. It would be foolhardy for our security forces not to take advantage of this as a rehearsal, even if we don't have any credible or specific information that this convention is going to be targeted. It's a tremendous opportunity to use it as a rehearsal, to check our technologies out, to make sure they work in the field. So it will be interesting to see on some of the new pieces of technology what kind of lessons learned come out of protecting this convention.

LIN: You know, it kind of makes me nervous that it's a test case, because what if the real deal happens, but I do see what you mean.

In the meantime, our CNN security analyst, Mike Brooks, last night was telling me, he is very concerned or his contacts are very concerned in New York that while there is so much emphasis on the high tech, it's the meat and potatoes stuff, like crowd control, that some of the officers are very concerned about. Some of the officers are only getting two days of training, that they don't have the body armor that the D.C. police or even Boston police have. Are there concerns that you have about just the more basic, frankly, probably the more likely scenarios that might occur in New York rather than a nerve gas attack, per se?

BEATTY: Well, you're right, Carol. I mean, in New York, they're handling threats across the entire spectrum. I mean, they are dealing with civil disturbance all the way to the possibility of terrorist attacks. And while it's true that New York doesn't have some of the specialized equipment that Boston or D.C. or even Honolulu might have, what they do have is 31,000 law enforcement officers. They have a force larger than many country's armies.

So there is a lot to be said for the deployment of that amount of people. The eyes and ears that are out there. It does make a difference. And I think that New York City Police Department has got tremendous experience in crowd control. It also seems that everybody is off on the right step, in terms of, you know, providing the space for the demonstrators to have their -- have their say. So, I'm betting on the New York Police Department that this goes well.

LIN: Well, so far so good today. Thank you very much, Jeffrey Beatty.

BEATTY: Thank you.

LIN: Security and counterterrorism consultant with the company that is doing a lot of good work on the ground.

Well, from terrorism to nature's fury. South Carolina's governor declared a state of emergency in the wake of Tropical Storm Gaston. The storm lashed the coastline today with 60-mile-an-hour winds. Trees are down. Power lines are down. More than 100,000 people are without electricity. And someone was hurt when a tree fell through a house in Mount Pleasant.

Now, flooding is also a big problem there. Some island homes are too close to the water today. A number of roads in Charleston County are closed. Assessment teams are also already at work, trying to tally up all that damage.

Now, a new storm is on the horizon, and our meteorologist Jacqui Jeras is not only tracking Gaston, but the new storm on the way. Jacqui, is this Frances?

JACQUI JERAS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: We have got Frances and we also have Hermine or Hermine, I'm not sure actually which is correct. Can't find a pronouncer on it, but I am going to say Hermine, how about that?

Mostly concerned at this time, the most immediate concern is certainly is Gaston. It has been weakening. You saw those flooding pictures. Doppler radar is estimating in Berkeley County anywhere between 10 and 12 inches of rain. There were some evacuations there earlier today, and more flooding is possible.

It's near the center of the storm where we are going to see the heaviest of rain. You can see, that's moving right along I-95.

Here is a tornado watch still in effect until 10:00 o'clock local time, and these feeder bands which are coming in from offshore. That's going to be the areas we're primarily concerned with some of these tornadoes potentially developing, and that is going to linger throughout much of the night as well.

Rainfall amounts are going to be a good three to five inches on top of what you already have. And there you can see flash flood warnings in effect for Charleston. Downtown reporting about 4 1/2 inches of rainfall. And we are also still getting some pretty good wind gusts to talk about. Forty-four mile an hour wind gusts at the top of the hour in Myrtle Beach. Maximum sustained winds with Gaston right now, 40 miles an hour. So it's barely holding on to tropical storm status, and should likely be downgraded to a tropical depression, maybe even by our 8:00 o'clock advisory for tonight.

There you can see the forecast track of Gaston and where it is going to be moving up towards the Canadian Maritimes on Tuesday.

Now, they might be getting a little bit more of a punch here with Gaston, because we have that other tropical storm I was telling you about, Hermine. And that one is out here. It's still about 300 miles away from land, and it is moving into the north and to the west.

However, as it moves in that direction, it's going to start to follow the same path as Gaston. The two of them are going to get hooked up, but it doesn't look like that should be affecting the United States.

And last but not least, there you can see Frances, moving on through, heading to the Leeward Islands. Tropical storm watches have been posted now for the northern Leeward Islands. Could potentially have an impact on the United States, maybe by Saturday. So the end of the week. We're going to be watching Frances very slowly. Right now, category four, with 135 mile an hour winds.

LIN: Wow. To be taken very seriously. Thanks very much, Jacqui.

Still to come on CNN LIVE SUNDAY, today the is the U.N. deadline for Sudan to disarm the militias raping and killing thousands of refugees. You are going to hear the latest from my guest, who recently returned from Sudan.

Plus, it's the eve of the RNC, but find out how a prominent Democrat keeps stealing the show in the Big Apple.

And coming up later, we're taking you live to Miami where the who's who are showing up for one unpredictable night.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

LIN: Checking some news from around the world right now. In Afghanistan, a deadly blast. An explosion destroyed a building in downtown Kabul. At least 10 people killed, including four Americans. The attack appeared to target the offices DynCorp, a U.S.-based security company.

Now, according to Al Jazeera Television, the Taliban claimed responsibility for the blasts.

French President Jacques Chirac is urging Islamic militants to release two French journalists they're holding hostage in Iraq. He also dispatched his foreign minister to the Middle East, to try to secure their freedom. The Islamic militants are demanding that France revoke its controversial ban on Muslim headscarves in schools.

And near the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, violent clashes broke out between U.S. forces and armed insurgents earlier today. The multinational forces say 34 civilians were wounded; 26 of them women and children. Two attackers were killed.

In Charlottesville, Virginia, people have reason to be scared, because a serial rapist has struck again, after eluding police for more than seven years. CNN's Kathleen Koch has this story.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A sleepy college town steeped in history, Charlottesville, Virginia is the kind of place people come to get away from it all. Now, residents lock their doors and install alarms after a serial rapist struck August 18 for the seventh time.

CHIEF TIMOTHY LONGO, CHARLOTTESVILLE POLICE: A young lady in the middle of the day had come home, and an individual was in her house and violently attacked her and sexually assaulted her.

KOCH: Students returning to the University of Virginia are especially worried. Most of the attacks, which began in 1997, have occurred in the area around the university.

ERIN MCDERMOTT, STUDENT: We are really nervous. We went to Lowe's and we bought a lot of motion detector lights and definitely bought like blinds for the windows.

KOCH: Campus police are passing out sheets with a reward offer and description of the attacker. He is an African-American man, of medium build, having large eyes, with the white part being very prominent.

CHIEF JOHN MILLER, ALBEMARLE COUNTY POLICE: We also believe there is a possibility that the suspect selects his victims way in advance of the assaults.

KOCH: City police last year began going door to door, warning young women living off campus.

ASHLEY CINALLI, STUDENT: It just makes you more hesitant to go out and do things at night, to go out and walk by yourself.

BRIDGETTE HOYER, STUDENT: My mom was here when the police officer stopped by our house. So, for her it's always been sort of something that she comes up occasionally in conversation, where she says, you know, have they caught that serial rapist yet, and I have to tell her that unfortunately, they have not.

KOCH: Authorities for a time tried a DNA dragnet, testing nearly 200 black men. A move that some say hurt community relations with police.

CATHRYN HARDING, C-VILLE WEEKLY: However alienated some folks might be from the city police right now, nobody is in favor of a serial rapist walking around, you know, free.

KOCH: Police have offered a $20,000 reward in the case. But believe it will be simple vigilance that will bring the break they need.

SGT. MELISSA FIELDING, UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA POLICE: Somebody is going to see something. They're going to feel that -- that there is something not right about it, they're going to report it to us right away. And that's going to be -- going to be what solves the case.

KOCH: Kathleen Koch, CNN, Washington.

(END VIDEOTAPE) LIN: Going inside the mind of a murderer. A daunting task investigators now face after two Christian camp counselors are shot in the head. Up next, I've got Candice DeLong, a former FBI agent and criminal profiler who has been talking to her sources.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

LIN: Murder clues are not easy to find along California's northern coast. Detectives are trying to figure out who shot to death two Christian camp counselors. There was a memorial service this weekend for Lindsay Catshall and Jason Allen. Even after hundreds of phone tips, police are still looking for a break.

Getting inside the mind of a killer is not an easy thing to do. But Candice DeLong knows how. She is a retired FBI agent and a former profiler in San Francisco.

Candice, this area, this beach near Jenna (ph), it's just north of San Francisco. And I think what a lot of people don't know about it is that it's a bucolic, beautiful place, where I would not have a problem overnighting on the beach. I mean, this is really kind of a startling crime to occur in that area?

CANDICE DELONG, FORMER FBI PROFILER: It is. But sadly, this kind of crime does happen in remote areas more than you would think.

LIN: What are your sources telling you about this case?

DELONG: Well, I don't really have any inside information. There is, however, I think there are some things that can be safely said about the case from the little that is known.

And it would appear to me that the killer did not want to deal with this young couple in any way in a live interaction. They were apparently shot in their sleep. So one has to wonder what was the motivation of the killer. Had he run into them and was angry at them but didn't have the chutzpah, if you will, to have a confrontation with them and just killed them in their sleep? It also was probably something that the killer had been thinking about for a long time.

LIN: You think? No sexual assault, no robbery...

DELONG: Right.

LIN: So you're thinking that it's somebody that they came across, if not knew personally, but at least had some contact with before the murder?

DELONG: Well, possibly someone that they came across. I mean, there have been a lot of comments that this couple had no enemies. Well, Carol, you know, you can make an enemy coming out of a convenience store and not even know it. And not even know it.

They also may have in their choice of a place to spend the night invaded someone's, what he believed to be his area, his private space. And he resented their intrusion. He might have confronted them earlier and asked them not to stay there, or he might not have.

LIN: A young couple. Murdered in their sleep while camping out in Scottsdale, or north of Scottsdale, Arizona last November. Do you think there is a connection to these two cases?

DELONG: Well, as I mentioned, this kind of murder in remote area happens more often than you think. I understand that that couple also was a young couple. I'm not sure if they were involved in Christian activities as this California couple was. But these kinds of crimes happen in remote areas, because in many ways it's a good place to commit a murder. No one can hear you scream. It's very remote. The likelihood of witnesses its very, very low. And although this one has made national news and the Yosemite ones, I'm afraid it happens a lot all over the country.

LIN: So where do investigators go in a case like this, then?

DELONG: I'm sorry, what did you say?

LIN: Where do investigators go in a case like this, then?

DELONG: Well, of course, one of the things they're doing is looking at anyone who has a reason to be in the area, lives there, works there, anybody that they know might have been there, that might have come across the couple. And work from that point. It's highly unlikely that the couple was killed by anyone that knew them well.

LIN: Candice, it doesn't sound -- I mean, it sounds like they're waiting for a miracle, or for somebody to start talking?

DELONG: Well, that could happen. I mean, it seems like a difficult -- it seems like an impossible case to solve. But it's merely a difficult one to solve. Oftentimes, crimes of this nature are solved because the killer does talk. Chances are, the killer in this case committed the crime alone, but that isn't to say he won't brag about it or talk about it later to someone who hopefully will pick up the phone and do the right thing.

LIN: Let's hope so. Thanks very much, Candice.

DELONG: You're welcome.

LIN: Well, in another murder case, the Scott Peterson murder trial, it resumes this week in California. And prosecutors are highlighting Peterson's behavior in the weeks after his wife Laci disappeared. Rusty Dornin looks ahead at the proceedings.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): More deception by Scott Peterson. Prosecutors portraying him as a man who would lie to his own mother. The jury heard wiretaps of phone conversations in which Peterson lied to family and friends about where he was, what he was doing and who he was calling.

When Peterson hears about an alleged sighting of his wife in Longview, Washington, he tells several people he called the police there immediately, including his mother.

JACKIE PETERSON, MOTHER: Why don't you hop on a plane?

SCOTT PETERSON: Well, I'll definitely, you know, I called up there and talked to one of them.

J. PETERSON: Oh, good for you. Good for you.

DORNIN: Wiretaps show Peterson didn't call Longview police until the following day. The defense says the wiretaps failed to record eight calls the day before, implying Peterson could have made a call earlier than prosecutors contend.

Peterson is also heard calling a realtor to inquire about selling the house only a few weeks after his wife Laci disappeared.

BRIAN: When did you want to look at doing it?

S. PETERSON: I mean, I would like to put it on the market right now.

BRIAN: OK.

S. PETERSON: I mean, there is no way if Laci comes back, we're going to stay there.

DORNIN: A litany of lies, say some legal analysts, doesn't make Peterson a murderer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some of these lies really don't seem to serve any purpose. They certainly don't seem to be anything that would help Scott Peterson cover up any sort of crime or his involvement in a crime.

DORNIN: Police intercepted more than 3,000 phone calls. And police wiretap investigator Steve Jacobson says Peterson never made any admissions or confessions about his wife's murder.

Up next, more from a computer expert on Peterson's Internet surfing, including his search to buy a boat. And later this week, prosecutors try to prove dogs tracked Laci Peterson's scent to the Berkeley Marina, where Peterson says he went fishing.

Rusty Dornin, CNN, Redwood City, California.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LIN: Well, the RNC rolls out the red carpet tomorrow, but a Democratic big name has his say today. Up next, former President Bill Clinton, politicking from the pulpit.

Plus, crossing the political aisle. Why this Democrat could be the star at the Republican Convention.

And rowdy, wild, outrageous. Just another year at MTV's Video Music Awards, right? Why you might be in for a surprise tonight. (MUSIC)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

LIN: Welcome back. Here's what's happening in the news. Violent clashes between American forces and insurgents in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul. The U.S. says two attackers were killed. The U.S. says 34 civilians were injured by flying debris and broken glass.

More problems in Southern Iraq, where insurgents sabotaged oil pipelines. And oil officials said attackers blew up several lines, which means Iraq will only be able to export a third of its normal capacity.

Amid flying accusations, peace talks to try to end the catastrophe in Sudan's Darfur region have ended in deadlock today. Darfur rebels have accused a government-backed militia of violating a cease-fire by killing 75 civilians in six villages.

Pulitzer Prize Winner, and Harvard University lecturer, Samantha Power recently returned from Darfur. She wrote an article about her experience for the "New Yorker" magazine, and she joins me now. Samantha has anything constructive come out of these peace talks?

SAMANTHA POWER, HARVARD UNIVERSITY: Nothing much has come out of the peace talks. The international pressure has improved access for humanitarian aid workers. So more people are being fed now than would have been let's say a month or two months ago. But what hasn't changed at all is the government's intention it seems, to continue to purge Africans from villages in Darfur.

The other thing that hasn't changed is that the so-called Janjaweed Arab militia continued to attack the displaced who were gathered in camps within Darfur. So when they go for firewood, the women are being raped, the men are still being beaten, and killed. So in that sense, from a protection and security standpoint, things only seem to be getting worse.

LIN: Today is the U.N. deadline for the Sudanese government to disarm the Janjaweed militia. You didn't see any evidence of them moving towards that?

POWER: No. I don't think there are really many western or international diplomats who are pretending that the Sudanese government are complying. There does seem to be a loss of enthusiasm for international sanctions. What I expect to see in New York this week is really just kicking the can down the road. When there is a lack of consensus about what to be done. This is what member states at United Nations tend to do. They tend to postpone the day of reckoning.

So the Sudanese government will probably get another 30-day period. But again, there has been no sign that they are really serious about bringing the Janjaweed under control, and actually ensuring that these people, 2 million people almost, who have been ethnically cleansed from their homes, that those people will be able to return to their homes, which is what is needed to save their lives really, in the long term.

LIN: What about the African Union? Does the African Union have any credibility or authority to apply pressure to Sudan?

POWER: That is probably right now, the best hope the people of Darfur have. The president of Nigeria, Obasanjo, and the president of Rwanda, Paul Kagame, have come forward and offered 2,000 troops to serve as a kind of protection force to get in between the Sudanese government and Arab militia forces on the one hand, and rebels on the other. And to escort civilians back to their homes.

The Sudanese government so far has rejected that proposal. What is needed is about that size force to be doubled. Not 2,000, but 4,000 or 5,000. And to take on some small portion of Darfur, and create kind of pilot return programs. But we are so far from that point. Because the Sudanese government sees that the world is quite divided on the appropriateness of that force. And they are taking advantage of those divisions. And again, continuing to postpone the day of reckoning.

LIN: Samantha, the rainy season is about to begin. The predictions are that hundreds of thousands of people could die by the end of the year if this situation does not change. What is it going to take for these people to be secure enough to be able to return to their homes? What is it going to take for the Sudanese government to act on their behalf?

POWER: It is kind of a Sophie's choice for the refugees right now. They are living as you suggest, in the most deplorable conditions. Crowded into refugee camps. And I say camps, but they are really camps in name only. It is just concentrations of people who just turn up and build a new life in a field. Often the rains have already descended, and they're living in kind of swampy areas.

So on the one hand, it will only take the equivalent of a match for disease to strike, and a massive cholera outbreak to overcome these camps. On the other hand, if they go back to their homes without African Union troops, or without western troops there as their escorts, they know they're vulnerable to attack by the Janjaweed and by the Sudanese government again. Because again, there has been no express willingness to actually stop the attacks, and no abandonment of the plan which seems to be to get rid of African village life and, basically to put down a rebellion by draining the swamp of civilian African life in Darfur.

So as the you say, the refugees are stuck. They either live in this kind of stew of refugee life, and wait for disease to hit, or they wait for the international community to unite itself, and finally put enough pressure on Sudan to change its plan.

LIN: Samantha Power, thank you very much for joining us. You more than just about anybody we have had make this story alive, and come alive.

POWER: Thank you. LIN: All right. Back to the presidential campaign trail right now. Far from the reconvention hubbub, President Bush has spent his Sunday stumping in Wheeling, West Virginia. Our Suzanne Malveaux is traveling with the president.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

SUZANNE MALVEAUX, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (on-camera): Before 10,000 fans, President Bush was introduced here as the man of steel. He is campaigning here in West Virginia to make the case that his tariffs on imported steel gave local companies breathing room to become competitive again. But the tariffs were rescinded on November after the World Trade Organization ruled they violated international trade laws. Mr. Bush argued his economic policy is the reason why West Virginia's economy is improving.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT, UNITED STATES: I thought there was a -- I thought I needed to stand up for steel. And I did stand up for steel. Put in place safe guards to restore fairness to the market. To help our steel folks adjust. And it worked. The plan worked. These folks back here are working in good jobs, good high-paying jobs.

MALVEAUX: But there are some unions and steel executives who believe the president's policy doesn't go far enough. This evening President Bush will return to Washington at the White House. That is where he will be practicing his convention speech to be delivered on Thursday when he accepts his party's nomination. Suzanne Malveaux, CNN, Wheeling, West Virginia.

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LIN: Well, Former President Bill Clinton is appealing to the Democratic faithful. He and his wife, Senator Hillary Clinton attended church today in New York. And Mr. Clinton addressed the congregation taking some shots at the Republican Party.

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BILL CLINTON, FMR. PRESIDENT, UNITED STATES: The other party about to convene here -- putting on its once-every-four-years compassionate face, has -- when they go back to Washington it's a different deal. It's run by the right wing, southerners in the House and the Senate, and those lobbying groups, and their allies in the White House, and the administration.

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LIN: Well, the former president took advantage of the church crowd to accuse Republicans of bearing fall witness against John Kerry when it came to attacking Kerry's war record.

Well there is only so much limelight in New York. Our Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider is in Madison Square Garden getting ready for the RNC. Bill, any coincidence that Bill Clinton decided to take the pulpit today? WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well he intends to say that the Republicans do not have a monopoly on the values issue. He said that when Republicans talk about values, they talk about God, guns and gays, which are values they believe work for them. But President Clinton, like many other Democrats have said there are lots of other values about jobs that protecting elderly and children, that he believes Democrats can lay claim to.

And he went to church today to say that, and to say that religious Americans should not feel that there is only one party for them. The Democrats should make religious Americans, Christians and Jews, feel perfectly comfortable.

LIN: Yes. One Democrat seems to be finding a new religion maybe Bill. Zell Miller, a Democrat who actually was the keynote speaker, what back in 1992? Was it? Yes, in 1992 at the Democratic Convention there. Is going to be a keynote speaker at the RNC?

SCHNEIDER: Yes, indeed the former governor, now the senator from Georgia. Zell Miller, nominally a Democrat, but one who supports President Bush on just about everything will be the keynote speaker here in Madison Square Garden at the Republican Convention. And he was the keynote speaker 12 years ago in 1992 when Bill Clinton was nominated at the Democratic convention.

How rare is that? We can't find any instance where someone has been the keynote speaker at two different party conventions. It's amazing. But it symbolizes of course, for many people, the traditional trek since the 1960s. Of many white southerners away from, out of the Democratic Party into the Republican Party. Whose real doubt now is the south.

LIN: All right. We have some polls that came out today. Bill, I am sure you have seen already seen them. Talking about security, or a sense of security. For example in one poll here, it asks people, are terrorists targeting what only big cities like New York? Or any place in the U.S.? And 67 percent say any place in the U.S. That gives you an idea of some mind set out there, and how secure people really do feel.

SCHNEIDER: That's right. What the poll shows is that all Americans across the country feel as if they could be vulnerable to a terrorist threat. That it could happen any time, any place. They do not believe, by also 2-1 that life has returned to normal after 9/11. That is the key to the Republican message here in Madison Square Garden.

The Republican message is going to be these are dangerous times. And President Bush will protect you. They believe that's the issue that works for them. The terrorism issue. Democrats accuse the Republicans of creating, spreading fear. But we see in these polls that a lot of Americans share those fears, those anxieties. And Republicans are going to make that the centerpiece of their message.

LIN: You mentioned the poll where, when people were asked will things ever be back to normal after 9/11. There we see it, 64 percent say no. Can't that cut both ways? If people see that 9/11 happened on George W. Bush's watch, faults with the CIA and the FBI, that it could backfire against the Republicans?

SCHNEIDER: I don't think very many people blame the Bush administration for 9/11. Even though the 9/11 Commission says that the government didn't work effectively in interpreting the intelligence reports. It was such an astonishing event, something that no one ever would have expected. I mean suicide bombers, hijacking planes, flying them into buildings, that people don't think the government should be blamed for not anticipating such a sensational atrocious attack on the United States.

Even though obviously the government is reorganizing the intelligence services, the 9/11 Commission is demanding that. President Bush and Congress seem to be falling into line.

LIN: All right, thank you very much Bill. Grand scene behind you, Madison Square Gardens. We'll be looking for forward to your coverage, and in our special tonight at 10:00. Well, a lot of the people marching today in New York City fit the image of the typical tester. Young, single, often radical, whatever that means. But other activists have a much different profile. Some belong to a 20-year-old group called "Parents for Peace". CNN's Adaora Udoji has that story.

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ADAORA UDOJI, CNN CORRESPONDENT, (voice-over): Up early. There was breakfast to make at Laurie Kellog and Sam Sills' Brooklyn home. A pre-march feast with friends. They are second-generation activists. Active in their schools, their neighborhood, their city. Committed citizenship, they are passing on to their 8-year-old son, Peter.

LAURIE KELLOG, PARENTS FOR PEACE: I want Peter to see that we believe in taking action. That we think that change is possible. How do we pass on optimism and hope if we don't get out there and do things and set a good example?

UDOJI: Peter's already a veteran marcher. The family embracing their right to peaceful protest joining several anti-war demonstrations over the past year-and-a-half. The last one in Washington, D.C.

PETER SILLS-KELLOG, SON OF ACTIVISTS: I thought it was good. My legs got tired.

UDOJI: his parents vehemently oppose the Iraq war, worrying about the human toll, the cost, the message it sends to the rest of the world.

SAM KELLOG, PARENTS FOR PEACE: I don't support everything Democrats do. I don't disagree with everything Republicans do. But on the war, I feel very strongly. And on environment, I feel very strongly. There are a lot of people out there who aren't buying the line from the current Republican leadership. We don't buy it.

UDOJI: Feeling compelled to act they jumped on the F train to Manhattan.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: End the occupation! Bring the troops home! Peace Now!

UDOJI: Meeting up with the group "Brooklyn Parents for Peace". A twenty-year-old organization that describes itself as dedicated to social justice. They found kindred spirits. Thousands of them.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am energized. I'm excited.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I feel renewed every time you do the right thing, whether you win or you lose. It's speaking up, being fair, and fighting for justice.

UDOJI: For them and others here today, it is about standing up to be counted. Adaora Udoji, CNN, New York.

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LIN: Well they're approaching the finish line in Athens. So how do the Americans stack up against the rest? We are going to give you an Olympic wrap as the summer games come to a close.

Plus it is the wildest award show on television. But will we see a calmer, tamer VMA show tonight on MTV? Later a preview of what to expect.

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LIN: With pride and relief. The 2004 summer Olympic Games are over. Athens shined tonight. The closing ceremony involved an astonishing display of fireworks and special lighting. There was also dancing and heart warming remarks by the president of the International Olympics Committee. As far as the score goes, the United States led the world pack. Grabbing a total of 103 medals, 35 of the Gold. Russia won 92 medals overall, 27 Gold. And China, took 63 medals, 32 of them Gold.

Now Gold medals won the United States a lot. You can be pretty proud. Of course, you never know what's going to happen when it comes to the medals or the awards given on MTV. So coming up next, we're going to go live to Miami to try to flesh out what's expected when the who's who show up for the awards.

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LIN: Miami gets a little hotter tonight as the MTV music video awards comes to town. And in addition to the stars and the music, the show always produces some surprises. So what can you expect to see tonight? CNN Pop Culture Correspondent, Toure joins me now from Miami. Toure, looking good.

TOURE, CNN POP CULTURE CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Carol. I can barely hear you. It's crazy out here. American Airlines Arena is behind me. It is going to be Shaq O'Neill's place. But right now MTV's place. The VMA's are here. Ashley Simpson, Jessica are doing the pre-show. Everybody is here right now.

LIN: Toure?

TOURE: Yes.

LIN: I was just watching in the pre-set monitor, it looked like they were going to roll the video of the infamous kiss. Was that from last year, Brittany and Madonna?

TOURE: Yes. Last year at the MTV Awards, of course, Brittany, Madonna kissed. We all want to see what spectacle is going to happen this year. Is Brittany going to come with Kevin, her new husband-to- be? Is Jennifer Lopez going to come with husband Marc Anthony? What spectacles are going to happen? That spectacles are going to happen? That is what everybody is wondering.

LIN: What do you think? What is the word on the street?

TOURE: I have no idea what is going to happen. I don't know what MTV wants from its people, if they want another spectacle. If they want people to be cool this year. We have helicopters; it's insane out here right now, that I know.

LIN: Who is going to be there tonight?

TOURE: Who? Well Usher is performing. That should be hot. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) is performing. Christina Aguilera, I'm looking forward to that. A lot of hot stuff going on tonight.

LIN: All right. Obviously something that shouldn't be going on right next to you. So we are going to dump out, Toure. Thank you very much. Have fun at the awards tonight.

That's all the time we have for this hour. Coming next on the eve of the Republican National Convention, A look at Vice President Dick Cheney, and First Lady Laura Bush on PEOPLE IN THE NEWS. At 8:00 Eastern, CNN PRESENTS, "The Mission of George W. Bush. And then at 9:00, Larry King will broadcast live from the RNC in New York City. At 10:00 Eastern, our special coverage of the Republican National Convention.

The hour's headlines first, when we come back. And then PEOPLE IN THE NEWS.

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LIN: PEOPLE IN THE NEWS in just a moment. But first, here is what is happening. The hours are ticking down until the start of the Republican National Convention. But the protests have already started. Tens of thousands marched today.

The South Carolinas under a state of emergency. A tropical storm pounded the coastline today. More than 100,000 people are without power.

And gas prices rose a half cent in the past two weeks. The national average for regular is $1.88 a gallon.

I am Carol Lin. Now to PEOPLE IN THE NEWS.

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