The Web      Powered by
powered by Yahoo!


Return to Transcripts main page


Judge Answers Jury's Questions in Martha Stewart Trial; Ashcroft Hospitalized for Infection; Humanitarian Organizations Rushing to Provide Aid to Haitians; College Newspapers Offer Sex Advice; Hot AOL Topics: Beyonce's Sister, Bobble Heads, Dogster

Aired March 5, 2004 - 11:00   ET


DARYN KAGAN, ANCHOR: Emergency workers are out assessing the damage and repairing downed power lines.
It is 11 a.m. on the East Coast, 8 a.m. on the West. From CNN Center in Atlanta, good morning, once again. I'm Daryn Kagan.

A judge has responded to questions from the jury deciding Martha Stewart's fate. Deliberations resumed last hour in New York City.

Yesterday, jurors sent the judge a note, asking what was needed to convict Stewart's co-defendant Peter Bacanovic of perjury? This morning, the judge said testimony from Bacanovic's assistant along with a telephone message that she kept meet the standards for evidence for perjury conviction.

Stewart and Bacanovic are accused of concocting a cover story about her sale of ImClone stock. They both deny any wrongdoing.

Want to get some insight into what the jury's questions might suggest about the deliberation. Our senior legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin, joins us from outside the federal courthouse in New York.

Jeff, good morning.


KAGAN: Please rearrange the tealeaves of these questions from the jury and tell us what they might mean.

TOOBIN: OK. Bottom line, very good news for the government, very bad news for Peter Bacanovic. And potentially, bad news for Martha Stewart, as well.

Basically what the jury asked was, do the following two facts meet the legal requirements for perjury?

Perjury is an unusual crime. It requires two witnesses for the jury to be able to convict, not jut one, as is usually the case.

And the jury asked a very interesting, very sophisticated question. They said, is a witness, plus a business record, a document prepared by that witness, in this case, a phone record prepared by Martha Stewart's secretary, Annie Armstrong, is that enough to meet the two witness rule? And the judge gave the lawyers overnight to do some legal research, file briefs. They filed briefs. And the judge decided this morning in favor of the government and said -- answered the jurors' question, yes that is enough to meet the two-witness rule. So bad news for Peter Bacanovic.

KAGAN: Of course, no verdict has been declared yet. But let's say it is guilty on the count of perjury. How serious is that?

TOOBIN: That's a very serious count. All of them are felonies. Perjury is a five-year maximum term.

Under the sentencing guideline, the federal sentencing guidelines, which really determine which -- what you -- what sentence you get in federal court, that is among the more serious of the five charges against Peter Bacanovic.

The other thing that's worth noting as it relates to Martha Stewart is that in the conspiracy count, which both of them are charged in, one of the elements of the conspiracy, one of the objects of the conspiracy, is conspiracy to commit perjury.

So if they find perjury by Bacanovic, it is somewhat more likely that they would find conspiracy against either/or both of them.

KAGAN: And then just one question on Martha Stewart. Just because they're focusing on Peter Bacanovic really doesn't mean anything. It might mean they haven't decided on her, or haven't gotten to her yet.

TOOBIN: Yes. Now we are in the realm of deepest, darkest speculation. And the question is, are they concentrating on Bacanovic, because they're done with Martha Stewart, or are they concentrating because they haven't gotten to Stewart yet?

Based on the notes they have sent so far, it seems like most of the evidence they've asked for relates more to Bacanovic than it does to Stewart. My own guess -- and it's just a guess -- is that they haven't even really gotten to Martha Stewart yet.

And so that would argue against a verdict today. So my inclination, to the extent I can be proven wrong, as I often am, I don't think there's going to be a verdict today. I think we're looking at next week.

KAGAN: All right. Jeffrey Toobin in New York City, thank you for that.

TOOBINS: OK, Daryn. See you.

KAGAN: Attorney General John Ashcroft is in intensive care at George Washington University in Washington this morning. He has a painful infection of his pancreas, brought on by gallstones.

Dr. John Affronti teaches pancreatic medicine at Emory University in Atlanta, and he's joining us now to tell us more about this condition.

Doctor, good morning.


KAGAN: What brings this on, and what is it?

AFFRONTI: Well, this is a condition that sometimes occurs when a gallbladder stone, or a stone in the gallbladder, passes from the gallbladder into a tube that drains into the intestine. And that tube goes right by the pancreas. Sometimes as it goes by the pancreas, it can cause an inflammation.

As that inflammation occurs, it can become rather severe and painful, and sometimes it can be so severe that we need to give medications to deaden the pain and keep the patient comfortable.

KAGAN: And is that the extent of the treatment, just pain medication while you wait for it to pass?

AFFRONTI: Well, many times, that's the treatment that's needed, and other situations, the inflammation can be so severe that other measures are needed. It might be needed, for example, to apply antibiotics or we sometimes will keep the patient without food for quite some time to rest the pancreas.

KAGAN: So I guess unless you've actually examined the patient, you don't know what the case is, in the terms -- in the case of the attorney general?

AFFRONTI: That's right. Without specifics, think I can speak about the generalities of pancreatitis, but not about the specifics.

KAGAN: How dangerous?

AFFRONTI: Well, it can be dangerous, in certain situations. Most of the time, thankfully, these cases of pancreatitis will resolve. And many times, there's very little after effect from it.

KAGAN: And just one more question about the pain. We've heard the attorney general rushed to the emergency room in the ICU. Is there a way to describe just how painful this condition can be?

AFFRONTI: Well, it's a severe pain. So much so that we many times will have pain medications given to the patient around the clock.

In fact, in some situations, we will ask the patient to press a button when they're having pain so they can administer the pain medication to themselves.

It's a severe pain that is very difficult to treat on some occasions.

KAGAN: Doctor John Affronti from Emory University right here in Atlanta, thank you for giving us a primer on gallstones and the pancreas. Appreciate it, doctor.

AFFRONTI: You're welcome.

KAGAN: Now, the Bush campaign ads.

The clips last four or five seconds at most, but the president's use of 9/11 images is drawing complaints from some families of victims. They say the president is tastelessly politicizing the tragedy with the television commercials.


KRISTIN BREITWEISER, 9/11 WIDOW: My problem with the ads is that they're, you know, golden toned music in the background. They're pastoral. They're fuzzy and warm.

That's not my reality of 9/11. My reality of 9/11 was that my husband and 3,000 others were murdered while this nation did nothing to defend itself.

And I would respectfully suggest that people like Mayor Giuliani or certain other individuals who find that Ground Zero is the perfect backdrop for political ads.


KAGAN: The Bush campaign is vigorously defending the commercials as a tasteful and appropriate way to portray the president's leadership.

Rudy Giuliani, who was mayor of New York during the attack, backed the position on CNN this morning.


RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: You have to let people react the way they want to react. I mean, people have very different reactions to this. Some families were opposed to it. Some family members, even some quoted in the "Times" yesterday, said they thought this was absolutely necessary for the president to raise this and make this part of his record.


KAGAN: And then there is this. Some 9/11 families also criticizing a credit card company that uses an image of firefighters in the ruins of the World Trade Center. MBNA calls the card "Spirit of America." Some families call it crass.

Haitian police are said to be meeting some resistance today as they try to disarm rebels in the country's second largest city. And in the capital of Port-au-Prince food finally is beginning to reach some of Haiti's hungry.

Our Lucia Newman reports on a desperate country trying to emerge from the chaos. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

LUCIA NEWMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Their eyes are as huge as their stomachs are empty. It's been more than a month since food donations arrived at this Port-au-Prince orphanage, and the children are hungry.

So hungry that when Father Raymond Pierson shows us the nearly empty storage room, they rush in to eat the raw beans and flower off the floor.

The Canadian priest who runs the orphanage says 75 children and 15 adults have been living mostly on rice.

REV. RAYMOND PIERSON, ORPHANAGE DIRECTOR: Yes. And beans, sometimes when we receive. But now we cannot receive.

NEWMAN: By the port, it's finally safe enough for the World Food Programme to load up a truck with basic foodstuffs. Miraculously this warehouse wasn't looted like so many others.

Four days after the orphanage contacted the organization to beg for help, Father Raymond's prayers are answered. The World Food Programme alone is now trying to feed nearly half a million Haitians.

GUY GAUVREAU, WORLD FOOD PROGRAMME: We are, in fact, planning to reach the beneficiaries that we were unable to reach before because of the conflicts.

NEWMAN: Nearby, a man is caught looting at a Port-au-Prince industrial center. Not that there's much left to steal.

ROBERT CHERON, BUSINESS: We would understand that they would steal the food. Fine, there's no problem. But the fact that they broke everything, it breaks our heart, you know?

NEWMAN: Robert Cheron says he and his employees are out of work. Even the toilet is gone.

The rampage of looting and destruction that began Saturday has destroyed hundreds of millions of dollars worth of property and left thousands unemployed.

Nadine Baker can't pay her 500 employees.

NADINE BAKER, TEXTILE FACTORY OWNER: Especially these people that live day by day, it's not like they have savings or anything like that. And when you think that each of them have at least two to three people depending on them at home.

NEWMAN: An economic nightmare. A humanitarian disaster. So many people who live in the hemisphere's poorest and most vulnerable nation.

Lucia Newman, CNN, Port-au-Prince.


KAGAN: The battle over gay marriage in San Francisco may be about to head to California's highest court. The latest details coming up next.

Also, talking sex on campus: how college students are opening up more about their love lives by opening up to school newspapers.

And later, a milestone in Iraq postponed. We're live in Baghdad for what's supposed to be the signing of the interim constitution. We'll tell you what the snag is, coming up.




KAGAN: Gay and lesbian couples are showing up at city clerk's offices across Long Island this morning. They're asking city officials to grant them marriage licenses.

The couples plan to file lawsuits challenging New York's ban on gay and lesbian marriages if they are denied.

And San Francisco is filing legal briefs today with the California Supreme Court. The city argues it has the right to issue marriage licenses to gays. The briefs are a response to an efforts by the state attorney general to shut down the wedding spree there.

Well, it isn't your father's college campus. Sex talk at school nowadays can be frank, direct, and very MTV. Our Jason Bellini takes a look. And we should warn you this report does include some rather racy language.


JASON BELLINI, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The sex column is now a mainstay of the student newspaper at a growing list of schools, including Yale, Princeton, Columbia, NYU, University of Virginia and U-Cal Berkeley.

With more and more students admitting they're look for the time of their life, not the love of their life in college, the sex column offers advice on the dos and don'ts on casual sex.

KATIE FERNANDEZ, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY SEX COLUMNIST: There's this hottie in my section, and all I do is stare at her for the entire two hours.

BELLINI: This week, Katie Fernandez, Columbia University sex columnist, addresses whether to hook up with someone you'll run into every day.

FERNANDEZ: I wrote up a funny thing that we call "floorcest." It's like incest when you hook up with someone on your floor, and then they hook up with other people on the floor.

BELLINI (on camera): Have you taken on any really risque topics where you thought, you know what? We're not sure how people are going to react.

FERNANDEZ: The title: "Sucking Off, Then Sucking Face." It's post-oral sex etiquette.

RACHAEL SCARBOROUGH KING, COLUMBIA EDITORIAL PAGE EDITOR: I think our parents, as disgusting as it may be, had just as much sex in college as we do. I think parents would be happy that we are dealing with it in a really, like, intelligent and mature manner.

BELLINI (voice-over): Mature? Intelligent? That's for the readers to decide.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a little trashy, but it's what students want to read so that's the point of the "Spectator", to cater to the students' wishes.

BELLINI: Students wishing to hear, not from the experts, but from their peers.

Jason Bellini, CNN, New York.


KAGAN: Well, try to follow that piece, huh? We do that every Friday. Check the hot topics they're talking about on AOL. The clean ones at least.

AOL online advisor Regina Lewis starts us off this week talking about Beyonce's baby sis -- Regina.

REGINA LEWIS, AOL ONLINE ADVISOR: Hi. That is a tough story to follow.

KAGAN: I know what a lot of people use the Internet for, but we're not going there today.

LEWIS: Deal.

KAGAN: We're talking about Beyonce's baby sister.

LEWIS: Very good call on your part.

Here's what happened. Turns out Beyonce has a little sister, Solange. And the 17-year-old sister actually passed her on one chart this week, the online search term chart. Although it wasn't for her music, at least not yet.

She actually beat her big sister to the altar. Here she is. She launched her music career last year with Columbia Records. She was married in the Bahamas over the weekend. Beyonce was there, as was the family and some of the Destiny's Child's friends. Now, there is some speculation -- there's no shortage of hip-hop rumors online -- about why she got married at 17. Also, a big search for any kind of pictures, which haven't turned up yet, of Beyonce in some sort of bridesmaid's outfit.

Because of course, you don't search for what you know. You search for what you don't know and what you'd really, really love to see.

KAGAN: Something tells me Beyonce wasn't wearing the same little peach number I had to wear five times.

LEWIS: I don't think so.

KAGAN: I don't think so. All right. Let's move on. Bobble head bonanza.

LEWIS: Yes. This is two phenomenons that came together this week. One is bobble head collecting. The other is rookie sensation Lebron James of the Cleveland Cavaliers.

It went something like this. Here you'll see footage. This is absolutely off the charts.

On Monday, an armored truck delivered 10,000 of these Lebron James bobble heads that you see here as a giveaway at Wednesday night's game. Now, because there are only 10,000 and they were a limited edition, it prompted an absolute craze.

You actually had season ticket holders between Monday and Wednesday bidding these up on eBay, saying, "Look, I've got tickets, I'm going to get one of these, what will you pay?" Over 300 buck.

Look at this little thing. And they have them on sale on both the Lebron James store and on the Cavalier site. And they have him in the home jersey, the away jersey. But because this one was limited edition that's what prompted the craze.

KAGAN: And finally, Dogster. What's Dogster about?

LEWIS: You'll love this one. Maybe Darla Louise (ph) could be here.

Now we have talked about Friendster before, the social networking phenomenon, the idea that I introduce you to my friends, you introduce me to yours and before we know it, we have more friends than we can fathom.

Enter It launched in January with less than 100 dogs posted. It's like personals for dogs, if you will. And now, over 10,000. The two guys in Silicon Valley who started this thing, who are self-described dog-loving geeks, can hardly keep it up. I mean, there's so much incredible demand here. It's really a lot of fun.

And watch for Catster, coming in May. KAGAN: Well, we can put Tripod on that one.

LEWIS: It will be fun.

KAGAN: You go online, you put your dog's picture?

LEWIS: Yes, it's really, really a lot of fun. Interestingly, searches for dogs outnumber searches for cats two to one online.

KAGAN: Really.

LEWIS: There's a lot of great pictures. And of course, there's a lot of great resources online if you're thinking about getting a pet so you get the right match. And that can really help in adoption retention rates.

KAGAN: I think we have one -- I'm going to show the one we can post of Darla Louise (ph). There she is.

LEWIS: There we go.

KAGAN: Lying on the beach. Look at that beautiful girl. Thank you for that. Have to get the plug in for the dog.

Thank you, Regina.

LEWIS: Take care.

KAGAN: From AOL. Regina Lewis, appreciate that.

Well, there is weather to talk about. Flooding in the desert today. A massive storm makes a mess of Phoenix. Hail in the Valley of the Sun. That story coming up next.

And one of the most astonishing political stories in recent memory, the rise and fall of the Howard Dean campaign.

CNN presents it this weekend. We'll have a preview coming up.


KAGAN: Phoenix, it is known as the Valley of the Sun, and it's drying out this morning. Storms yesterday pounded the city with hail and heavy rain. The storms caused flash flooding that turned some streets into rivers, and flooded streets and mud-covered roads are making the commute a little bit more difficult for folks in Phoenix today.


KAGAN: Trying for a milestone in Iraq that many hope will signal a new beginning, an interim constitution. There is a hitch, though. We'll go live to Baghdad to find out what that is.


KAGAN: I'm Daryn Kagan at CNN center in Atlanta. Let's check the headlines at this hour.

Attorney General John Ashcroft is in the hospital today with an acute case of pancreatitis brought on by gallstones. Doctors have him on a round of antibiotics and say he should be sidelined for a few days.

The University of Colorado is putting strict new rules on football recruits. No bars, no strip clubs, an 11 p.m. curfew and adult supervision. Colorado's recruiting practices are under investigation after seven women accused football players or recruits of rape.

CNN has learned the U.S. plans to use 24-hour high-tech surveillance tactics in the search for Osama bin Laden. The equipment includes U-2 spy planes, unmanned drones and ground sensors. Officials say the constant surveillance of the mountainous Afghan/Pakistani border will squeeze the al Qaeda leader.

And straight from a "Seinfeld" episode. Check out the tape. A condo owners meeting in Boca Raton, Florida, gets downright ugly. What was the topic? Discussion of country club memberships and property taxes, which erupted into this scuffle. Egos were bruised. Thank goodness nobody was hurt.

Well, it was supposed to be a momentous day in Iraq. Has not happened. Leaders failed to sign an interim constitution today as they were scheduled to do.

Our Baghdad bureau chief Jane Arraf is in the capital to tell us about the hitch. Hello.

JANE ARRAF, CNN BAGHDAD BUREAU CHIEF: Hi, Daryn. The Governing Council spokesman has just come out to apologize to everyone for the delay, a delay he says is purely technical. And he says he expects this agreement to still be signed this evening.

But not far away in the actual Governing Council with know that there is some debate still going on, about what arose as a last-minute agreement. Essentially, Daryn, it centers on the ability of the Kurds, in some interpretations, to be able to veto a constitution.

Now, just behind me, is where they should have been signing this constitution several hours ago. But instead, we have some member of the cabinet, diplomats who have been invited who have been here for many hours now, waiting to see if, in fact, that will take place.

But, Daryn, they do say that they will sign this constitution. They don't want to rush it. They say democracy is a messy thing and that is what they're working at -- Daryn.

KAGAN: Kind of time frame they're talking now?

ARRAF: In terms of signing it, the spokesman says he hopes it will be signed this evening. Now, that could mean anything. It really depends on what's going on over there in the Governing Council. And part of what is going on is the fallout from a walkout of some Shi'a members, which has not gone over well with some of the other groups there.

Now, it's what they've been trying to avoid this split down religious and ethnic lines. And they're work very hard, we understand, to at least paper it over.

But what they're talking about, although technically a technicality, does, indeed, have wide implication.

KAGAN: All right, Jane Arraf, watching it for us in Baghdad, thank you.

Let's go from Baghdad to Miami Beach, Florida. Show you pictures we're getting in live now. A burning boat in the harbor. Most important to tell you, no injuries reported. There are crew on the scene. Courtesy of our affiliate WSVN. A burning boat in Miami Beach. Once again, no injuries reported with that burning boat.

Immigration and border security will be major topics during a weekend summit between President Bush and Mexican President Vicente Fox. Mr. Fox is due to arrive at President Bush's ranch later in Texas today. The Mexican leader is expected to urge President Bush to move forward with the proposal on immigration. It would give temporary visas to illegal immigrants with jobs or job offers in the U.S.

The Democrat vying for the president's job is going after Mr. Bush today. Over jobs, as always. But one woman with a job, Judy Woodruff, "INSIDE POLITICS," with the latest on the campaign news. Judy, good morning.

JUDY WOODRUFF, CNN ANCHOR: Hi there, Daryn, thank you.

Well John Kerry's campaign is pouncing on a new government report that shows U.S. payrolls grew at a far slower pace in February than the previous month. The Kerry campaign says, quote, "At this the rate, the Bush administration won't create its first job for more than ten years." The Labor Department says the 21,000 jobs outside the farm sector were created last month. That is well below the 125,000 that many economists had expected.

The unemployment rate held steady, though, at 5.6 percent. Chances are Kerry will say more about the numbers this afternoon when he travels to New Orleans for a rally with supporters.

Wesley Clark is on the stump for Kerry today in Kansas. The retired general dropped out of the race last month and quickly endorse the senator. Clark is the keynote speaker tonight at the Kansas Democratic Convention in Topeka.

A couple of new polls indicate the race is at a dead heat and Ralph Nader is having a small but significant impact. A nationwide Associated Press survey shows President Bush at 46 percent, with Kerry 45 percent. And a matter sure to be of concern to Democrats, Ralph Nader getting 6 percent.

Meanwhile in the all-important state of Florida, new American Research Group poll shows Senator Kerry leading President Bush 45 percent to 44 percent. And in Florida, Nader was at 4 percent.

We'll have much more on those new job growth numbers later today when I talk with Commerce Secretary Don Evans. And we'll be joined by a roundtable of journalists who will take a look at the emerging Bush/Kerry one-on-one campaign battle. All that and much more when I go "INSIDE POLITICS" at 3:30 p.m. Eastern.

Right now, back to Daryn in Atlanta.

KAGAN: All right, Judy, thank you for that. Look forward to more later today.

On Sunday, "CNN PRESENTS" "True Believers: Life Inside the Dean Campaign." Producer Kate Albright Hannah (ph) and her camera lived inside the Dean camp for six months. She documents the candidate's fast rise and even faster fall. Here, now, a preview and a caution. The language, once again, gets a bit salty at times.


CROWD: We want Dean!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who do we want?

CROWD: Dean!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When do we want him?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think he got such a good ride in the middle of the summer. You stand there for that long and talk without committing news.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The fact he was able to almost fly under the radar meant an awful lot of people felt, both among his opponents and the press, that they better catch up and start giving some critical scrutiny to this guy who, at that moment, people are saying, he's going to sweep to the nomination.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The whole damn pack of them's coming.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The most telling quote in the past couple weeks was in "TIME" magazine, where one of those cowards had a blind quote. And that's exactly what they were, freaking chicken (bleep), because one of them said, it's like the Mafia. Everybody wants one of the other families to hit him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's what always happens in multiway primaries. You see you're all sitting around saying we don't want to fight the guy who will fight back and scruff up our beautiful white tuxedo. We're waiting for the psychos over at Lieberman to do it.

SEN. JOE LIEBERMAN (D-CT), FRM. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Let me say to Governor Dean, he said he wouldn't take sides, but then he said Israel ought to get out of the West Bank and an enormous number of their settlements ought to be broken down.

That's up to the parties and their negotiations. Not for us to tell them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you guys looking at this? This is, like such (bleep). This is, like, the most disgusting thing anyone's done in this race so far. This is more disgusting than anything Kerry's done.

With all the crap you can hit us with above the belt, which would be legitimate, and let's have a debate, you're going to go below the belt? We should to put out a statement that this is among -- I want to make sure I'm not overreacting.

The only thing I can think is they're just trying to get a Dean/Lieberman headline. But, I mean, to do that -- I never thought I'd get to see that (bleep) out of them.


KAGAN: Tune in Sunday, "CNN PRESENTS" "True Believers," at 8:00 p.m. Eastern, 5:00 p.m. Pacific.

Well, maybe mom didn't know best all the time. A new study may prove that everything you know about treating the common cold is wrong. That is ahead in our "Daily Dose" of health news.

And months after the fall of Saddam being Iraq's children are still facing an uphill battle. Dr. Sanjay Gupta goes back to Baghdad, that's coming up next.


KAGAN: Had to show you these pictures under jobs you probably don't want. We're back to the burning boat in Miami Beach. You see the guy in the wet suit? Dove into the water because apparently the rope burned.

The boat broke free of the dock and it started floating away. This guy is pulling the boat back to the dock so they can keep spraying it to put out the fire. And you thought you had a hard day at work. So there you go. Still, no one's hurt, no injuries reported. Thanks to our friends at WSVN.

We move on to health news now. You probably have heard that you should drink plenty of fluids when you have a cold. Now some researchers are questioning that advice, saying it's all wet. Scientists in Australia they have found no study showing the benefit. They say drinking too many liquids can be harmful for people with respiratory infections such as a cold or bronchitis.

The World Health Organization estimates one-third of Iraqi children are malnourished and the children of Iraq are suffering because of the poor state of the country's health care system. In our "Daily Does" of health news, we have more now from our medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta who is just back from Iraq. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It is often said that children reflect the health status of a country. Based on that, Iraq's situation has been dire for some time.

DR. KHUDAIR ABBAS, IRAQI MINISTER OF HEALTH: The diarrhea problem, for example, chest infection and the infant mortality, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) for example, to lack of pure water to drink, the contamination which happens, and food.

GUPTA: The most basic of health hygiene denied leading to out of control infant mortality rates. The best estimates are one in ten newborns will die. Of those who do make it, nearly 8 percent waste away and die from malnutrition before the age of 5.

The problems in part because of the sanctions. In part, because of three wars in 20 years. Perhaps because of a cruel dictator.

TOMMY THOMPSON, SECRETARY OF HHS: Saddam and his way wanted to use this as a way to -- to show the world that America was being evil, which is certainly wasn't. He was evil, and he was evil personified. And now we have to rebuild that for the people of Iraq.

GUPTA: So now, without looking back, Iraqis want to move forward with the help of the Americans.

DR. SALMA HADAD, IRAQI PEDIATRIC ONCOLOGIST: I hope that there will be a rebuilding the health services and our health system back again like it was before. To give the -- these children the best chance of a cure and survival.

GUPTA: The specific goal, to save half the children who now die by 2005 comes with a billion-dollar price tag. The payoff, to allow a new generation of Iraqis to grow and reflect the best of a nation.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Baghdad.


KAGAN: You can see more of Sanjay's trip, his return to Iraq, on "WEEKEND HOUSE CALL." He looks at how Iraq's hospitals are now functioning nearly a year after the start to the war. That's at 8:30 a.m. Eastern, Saturday.

Viggo rides again. We go one-on-one with the king to talk about the new movie "Hildago." Stay tuned.


KAGAN: We're looking at a scene from the movie "Hildago." It stars Viggo Mortensen. It opens in theaters around the country today.

Recently, I had a chance to sit down and talk with Mortensen about his career and his latest role since playing the king.


KAGAN: Let's talk about "Hildago" a little bit. A story of, as you were pointing out, personal redemption. A great writer, a great horseback rider, and yet somebody who is kind of past his prime, has something to prove. Hildago's the horse, by the way. We should be clear about that.

VIGGO MORTENSEN, ACTOR: Anytime anybody said, do we need the horse in the shot, on any given day, I'd say, let's not forget, as far as we know, the title hasn't been changed to Frank T. Hopkins.


KAGAN: .. doesn't have quite the same ring as "Hildago."

MORTENSEN: I think we need to have Hildago in every shot, it's his movie.

But the character I play, Frank T. Hopkins, shows us, in a way, that the cowboy spirit is alive and well. Not only -- you know that sort of can-do individual response to challenge and adventure, but also the courtesy and respect that is shown to other individuals and other cultures in our story, you know.

I think that the real cowboy, the good cowboy, has a lot in common with your medieval knights or honorable warrior archetypes at any time, any society.

KAGAN: You say in terms of your career being you wait and see what comes to you. That's what's worked so far and that's what the future holds?

MORTENSEN: Yes. I see what comes and if it comes, I try to be as prepared as I can. You still have to do the same old thing as an actor. I think, you should, is show up on time, knowing your lines, pay attention and be polite to other people.

I also think that -- I also believe in something that Sydney Lament, who was a great American director, he once said that the work consists largely in making thorough preparations for accidents to happen.

In other words, if you know your lines, ready and you're paying attention to everybody, you're loose and relaxed, then something weird happens, somebody forgets their line or a plate falls on the floor or a horse acts funny, you don't just freeze up and they say cut. Something magical can happen.

In a way, you're setting table. When you get the cameras, the sets, the costumes, it's almost like a ceremony. It's like an age-old ritual no matter how modern the equipment gets. You're setting the table, making the preparations, you know, just like you do at church, you know. You're -- you're asking for something magical to happen.

KAGAN: Well, however you're doing, it whether it's luck, magic, or accident, it's working for you. Continued good luck. Thank you for stopping by. Viggo Mortensen, appreciate it.


KAGAN: We did appreciate that little visit there.

Shopping, it's not just for women anymore. Up next, Jeanne Moos shows us the new shopping bible for men.



KAGAN: Talking a different part of the structure now, talking shopping. And, OK, guys, it's all right, you can admit it. Men do shop, too.

Jeanne Moos has proof of that.


JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): If you think shopping is for girls, check out the new men's magazine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where's the cleavage, though?

MOOS: Cleavage? The barest chest in this issue belonged to a guy with half his body hair trimmed. Whether you're in the market for shavers, or sweaters or bags, now there's "Cargo."

(on camera): It's a shopping magazine for men. But don't look that way yet.


MOOS (voice-over): From sunglasses to shaving cream, "Cargo" looks for the coolest, tests for the best. So did stubble stop stubble?


MOOS: It's hottest new category in publishing. Cargo just had its launch party.

(on camera): Have you seen the section on shaving?

(voice-over): A rival men's shopping magazine called "Vital" is due out in the fall. Cargo's is the version of "Lucky," the smash hit shopping magazine for women.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's about time we get something for us.

MOOS: Steven Willfrog (ph) is seen modeling a suit in cargo.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't show it on models. We show it on real guys, so that you can see what it would look like on you.

MOOS: "Cargo" found its cover boy in a New York City park. The magazine zeros in on camcorders, and cell phones and cars. It will suggest the best nose hair clippers or binoculars that double as a pair of flasks.

(on camera): Would you look at a shopping magazine for men?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you show me the gadget stuff, I think so. I thought there were some cool things in there, yes.

MOOS (voice-over): "Cargo" has regular features like, "Honey, Does This Make me Look Gay?" There are stickers to tag items you like.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a bit more of a metrosexual magazine.

MOOS (on camera): You consider yourself a metrosexual?


MOOS: Like you care how you look.


MOOS (voice-over): Maybe guys will shop for boxers when they learn that 74 percent of women prefer them over briefs. Closet metrosexuals can add to their closets.

(on camera): You like the Nike?


MOOS (voice-over): Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.



KAGAN: That's going to do it for me, Daryn Kagan, on this Friday. Have a great weekend, and I will see you next week.


Ashcroft Hospitalized for Infection; Humanitarian Organizations Rushing to Provide Aid to Haitians; College Newspapers Offer Sex Advice; Hot AOL Topics: Beyonce's Sister, Bobble Heads, Dogster>

International Edition
CNN TV CNN International Headline News Transcripts Advertise With Us About Us
   The Web     
Powered by
© 2005 Cable News Network LP, LLLP.
A Time Warner Company. All Rights Reserved.
Terms under which this service is provided to you.
Read our privacy guidelines. Contact us.
external link
All external sites will open in a new browser. does not endorse external sites.
 Premium content icon Denotes premium content.
Add RSS headlines.