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Country Music Artist Darryl Worley Speaks Out

Aired March 11, 2003 - 18:00   ET


ANNOUNCER: This is LOU DOBBS MONEYLINE for Tuesday, March 11. Here now, Lou Dobbs.
LOU DOBBS, HOST: Good evening.

Not much room and not much time. Those the words from the White House today as it gave notice that time is running for a diplomatic solution to the Iraq crisis. President Bush says a vote on a new U.N. resolution will take place this week. Senior White House Correspondent John King has the report.


JOHN KING, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Defense Secretary Rumsfeld presses for a morning meeting on the war plans underscore the White House methods.

ARI FLEISCHER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The president thinks that there is a little room for a little more diplomacy, but not much time. Any suggestion of 30 days, 45 days is a non-starter.

KING: The White House wants a Security Council vote this week and is willing to push its March 17 deadline for Iraq to fully disarm back only a few days, a week at the most.

The president once again worked the phones looking for votes, placing a call to the president of Angola, on of the swing votes on the Security Council.

Mr. Bush also compared notes with two key European allies, Prime Ministers Aznar of Spain and Berlusconi of Italy.

France has promised to veto any resolution clearing the way for war through (ph) a blunt White House response.

FLEISCHER: It is too busy to have an laissez faire attitude about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. This is a real problem because the resolutions at the United Nations call for immediate and full disarmament.

KING: Congress gave its blessing to war in Iraq five months ago. But some leading Democrats now say Mr. Bush is in too much of a rush.

SEN. ROBERT BYRD (D), WEST VIRGINIA: In many corners of the world the United States is seen as manufacturing a crisis in Iraq, not responding to one. KING: The U.S. deployment now tops 225,000 troops and sources tell CNN that CIA Director George Tenet's daily briefing to the president now includes an assessment of the risk that U.S. forces and embassies in the region will come under terrorist attack in the event of war.


KING: The president is making more calls to undecided Security Council members this evening. White House officials now say their best hope is what they would describe as a moral victory of sorts. A majority on the council for the new resolution, only then to have it die because of a French veto.

And, Lou, White House officials say the president increasingly is out of patience with the United Nations and that he has engaged in this last-minute intense diplomacy mostly because it is so important to his chief ally, Tony Blair of Great Britain -- Lou.

DOBBS: John, any indication when President Bush will seek that vote? Which day this week?

KING: White House officials say it could come as early as Thursday. Perhaps because this is so important to the British and the other European allies, perhaps they will search until the very end of the week and the vote would come on Friday.

But White House officials say it would take some dramatic development that they cannot foresee right now to have the president go any further. They say he believes the United Nations has had more than enough time to debate this and it's time to have the vote, win or lose.

DOBBS: John, thank you very much. Our senior White House correspondent, John King.

More Iraqi defiance today. Two U-2 surveillance aircraft helping U.N. weapons inspectors were forced to abandon their mission. The Pentagon said the U-2 planes were recalled after Iraq sent fighter jets to intercept them. The reconnaissance flights have now been suspended. Iraq denies it threatened the planes.

The U.N. Security Council today met without taking a vote on the proposed U.S. and British resolution. Six members of the Security Council still have not decided how they will vote. But France and Russia say they will veto the resolution. Richard Roth at the United Nations with the report -- Richard.

RICHARD ROTH, CNN SENIOR U.N. CORRESPONDENT: Lou, Britain and those uncommitted six continue to work at compromise language in order to get their support, a resolution that the U.S. has on the books to give Iraq a deadline of March 17 could be extended.

Meanwhile, inside the Security Council right now there's the first of two days of open debate by the rest of the U.N. membership. Iceland is speaking right now. Iraq was the first speaker here. And the ambassador from Baghdad, Mohammed Aldouri, had a simple explanation in his mind as to why the U.S. is targeting his country.


MOHAMMED ALDOURI, IRAQI AMBASSADOR TO U.N. (through translator): Their objective is to lay their hands on our oil, to control the region, to redraw its borders in order to ensure the vital interests of the United States of America for a long period to come. This is a new direct colonization of the region.


ROTH: The ambassador insisted his nation was cooperating with the United Nations weapons inspectors.

As for the debate to try to get those votes, the undecided six have met occasionally. They've been looking for 30 days. One even speculated about 45 days of waiting to give Iraq more time to comply. Angola's ambassador tried to explain how he might unlock the deadlock.


ISMAEL GASPAR MARTINS, ANGOLAN AMBASSADOR TO U.N.: We hold a small key. There are those countries which hold big keys. We are pleased that we also have a small key that can make a difference in opening or closing the door. I hope that our key is one which opens the door for diplomacy.


ROTH: These undecided six have been looking for ideas out of this from Canada, which had a compromise, Lou, on the books several weeks ago, still alive to give Iraq several key disarmament tasks, maybe to be extended as they cooperate, if that's possible.

And meanwhile, Canada today in the council a short time ago said let's give Iraq three more weeks -- Lou.

DOBBS: Richard, thank you very much. Richard Roth from the United Nations.

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan today delivered a plea for the United Nations to remain united. Writing in "The Wall Street Journal", Kofi Annan said, "war should only begin if every peaceful method of disarming Iraq has been exhausted." But his critics say the United Nations has become increasingly irrelevant during this crisis. Kitty Pilgrim has the story.


KITTY PILGRIM, CNNfn CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At the U.N. the pace is generally, well, slow. The setting's civilized and the conversations diplomatic.

But some are saying when it comes to Iraq it's time to get a move on. JEREMY GREENSTOCK, BRITISH AMBASSADOR TO U.N.: Some members of the council are dangerously close to proposing endless procrastination.

PILGRIM: Cameroon and five other countries, Angola, Guinea, Mexico, Chile and Pakistan, today talking about proposing another deadline of another 45 days. U.S. officials rejected it.

One of the great ironies, some of the most geopolitically insignificant nations in the world are basking in importance simply because they hold crucial swing votes on Iraq.

FLEISCHER: The president engaged again today in a very busy day of telephone diplomacy with heads of state. He began his day with a phone call to the president of Angola, Dos Santos.

PILGRIM: Angola with a population of 12 1/2 million, well over half of them illiterate. The tiny African countries of Cameroon and Guinea also being courted.

French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin jetted to all three African countries in the last week. Today a top British diplomat is on her second trip in two weeks. And the impasse at the U.N. drawing unfortunate historical analogies.

PAUL WOLFOWITZ, DEP. DEFENSE SECRETARY: We do not want to see the credibility of the U.N. go the way of the League of Nations which failed to act to stop the slide into World War II.

PILGRIM: U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan Tuesday in "The Wall Street Journal" pleaded for the United Nations to, quote, "keep the U.N. United." Saying, quote, "I hope members of the council will be mindful of this sacred trust that the world's peoples have placed in them, and will show themselves worthy of it."


PILGRIM: The U.N. has 191 member countries. It has agreed to another open meeting on Iraq tomorrow at the request of a group of 115 developing countries. And that is, again, to give nations from all parts of the world a chance to voice their views -- Lou.

DOBBS: Kitty, thank you very much.

It seems American voters share the belief that the United Nations may be losing its relevance, or at least some of it. A "New York Times"-CBS opinion poll shows Americans losing patience with the way the U.N. is handling the Iraq crisis.

Joining me now, CNN's Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider. Bill, what are the latest poll numbers?

WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: What the latest poll numbers are showing, Lou, is let's roll. As you mentioned, that "New York Times"-CBS news poll shows a majority of Americans, 55 percent, endorsing U.S. military action against Iraq without U.N. approval.

Previous polling had showed that most Americans were unwilling, unwilling to go in without a new U.N. mandate. You remember, Lou, last Thursday President Bush said at his news conference, when it comes to our security, we don't need permission from anybody. And apparently, most Americans now agree.

DOBBS: How do these numbers stack up, Bill, against other polls we've seen recently?

SCHNEIDER: Well, Lou, it's interesting. We did a poll a couple weeks ago and we gave people three choices, and there just 38 percent said we're ready to go without a U.N. mandate, 40 percent said they wanted to invade but only with the U.N. mandate.

Now, a lot of those 40 percent who were sort of in the middle, they were willing to invade but after the U.N. mandate. They appear to have moved when they're faced with only two choices, which is what the CBS-"New York Times" poll gave them. Either invade without a U.N. mandate or don't do anything.

Given that choice, they say we're ready to go in. Americans would rather go in with a U.N. endorsement, but if that doesn't happen they're willing to go in without one.

DOBBS: And, Bill, this poll, this CBS News-"New York Times" poll, says something too about the science and the art of polling. I don't recall another poll in which it's been put forth that the choice being action or inaction. That seems a far more honest and direct way to pose the question.

SCHNEIDER: It is a very direct way. If you assume that the United Nations may not -- may not approve the resolution. Because what the poll says is if that happens which way do you want the United States to go? And it's very revealing, because it says if they don't approve the new U.N. resolution, should we go in? And the public says yes.

DOBBS: Now, let's turn to the rest of the world. Do you have a sense of how other people are viewing the U.N. and its position on the Iraq crisis?


Well, Lou, what we're seeing in most other countries like Britain, for instance, is that if he feel a U.N. mandate is necessary. Why? because they see the U.N. as the only way to stop George Bush. U.S. power is unchecked in the world. No country can stop us. I mean, did you see that MOAB go off? Other countries would like to see Saddam Hussein ousted. But they don't want to see the United States do it alone. And a lot of that feeling, I think, is anti-Bush more than anti-American.

The only leverage other countries have against U.S. action is the United Nations. What can the U.N. do? They can refuse to authorize a war, and I suppose they can refuse to pay their parking tickets, and that's about it.

DOBBS: Bill, you just said something I think interesting. You said those feelings anti-Bush rather than anti-American. Quickly explain that for us.

SCHNEIDER: Yes. A lot of people overseas find that Bush's attitude of moral certainty is very irritating. His use of religious imagery they find very bothersome, particularly in Europe, where it reminds them of the moral certainty they once felt in their colonial past. It's an attitude they don't like, they don't appreciate. It's the cowboy mentality. It's the religious imagery. They don't like any of that. And they don't like Bush.

If you -- I've asked a number of analysts, is the anger and animosity in Europe primarily anti-war, anti-American, or anti-Bush? And they say primarily anti-Bush.

DOBBS: Bill Schneider, thank you.

Virginia Congressman Jim Moran is under fire for some statements he made about a potential war with Iraq. Last week, the Congressman said that American Jews are pushing the United States into a war with Iraq. Moran has since issued an apology, saying his remarks were insensitive. Despite that, Jewish leaders are demanding his resignation. The White House has called his comments shocking.

Still ahead here, the music of country singer Darryl Worley.




DOBBS: Worley will be here to tell us why he's been moved to write about patriotism, September 11, the war against terror, and support of the U.S. military.

The United States sends a new warning to North Korea as the nuclear standoff continues. We'll have details on the latest U.S. military deployment.

Former defense secretary and MONEYLINE regular contributor William Cohen will be here to assess North Korea's provocations and the U.S. responses.

The Pentagon today unveiled its new super bomb for a possible war with Iraq. Senior Pentagon correspondent Jamie McIntyre will have a report on a very clear signal that the United States is sending Saddam Hussein.

On Wall Street, the Dow fell 44 points. Stocks gave up early gains. Greg Clarkin will have the market.

Also tonight, call it March badness. We'll have a special report on a season of scandal in college basketball. Stay with us.


DOBBS: "Around the World" tonight, OPEC will keep oil production at its current level. And if supplies are disrupted, the cartel says it will boost production to meet demand. OPEC was careful not to mention war with Saddam Hussein to avoid the appearance of any support for such a war.

The United States is sending as many as six stealth aircraft to South Korea. The F-117A aircraft will take part in annual exercises with Seoul's military. U.S. officials say the deployment to Pusan Air Base is not connected to the crisis with North Korea.

The United States is facing a dual threat now from North Korea and Iraq. Despite intense diplomacy, the world has so far refused to unite against Saddam Hussein. And diplomacy has done little to stop North Korea from pursuing its reckless pursuit of nuclear armament.

Here now to talk about these issues, former defense secretary MONEYLINE regular contributor William Cohen. Bill, good to have you here.


DOBBS: Iraq. Do you in any way sense that this White House could possibly prevail at the Security Council on a vote?

COHEN: I think it's rather doubtful. Right now, as you previously indicated, they're looking for a moral victory, which means they're looking for nine votes with the expectations that one of the other major powers such as France or Russia may likely veto the resolution. So, I think, at this point I think they're trying to demonstrate they've gone -- quote -- "the last mile" in trying to gain unanimous consent so to speak, and that looks unlikely.

DOBBS: Let me ask you this. You served in a previous administration. You have watched this president over the past six months pursue a diplomatic solution. He was called upon by nearly every critic to be as multilateral as possible.

Do you think he's gone as far as he could here? What more could he have possibly done?

COHEN: Well, I think he has gone quite a bit toward the final solution, as such, in terms of seeking diplomacy. I think one of the problems that we've had is that the rationale for taking military action against Saddam has shifted from disarmament to regime change to now using Iraq as a model for democratic reform throughout the region. So that has complicated the message quite a bit.

I think we should keep the focus on the 12 years of non- compliance by the Iraqis, by Saddam Hussein, and the fact is that the United Nations has failed to support the United States and Great Britain in containing Saddam. Now, even though there's criticism about containment policy, it's been the Brits and the United States containing Saddam from posing a threat to its neighbors. And so I think the U.N. has to look at itself to say what have we done to help bring disarmament about, compliance with our resolutions, and the answer is they haven't been as aggressive as they need to be and haven't been and are unlikely to be in the forthcoming future.

DOBBS: Bill, I am struck. The Germans, for example, acknowledge their belief that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction. In geopolitical terms we all know that each nation will pursue its national interest, as it should. But with the general acceptance, even Kofi Annan says that Iraq needs to disarm, why in the world is there such an acceptance of the risk that those weapons of mass destruction pose? That seems to be obfuscated in all of these arguments.

COHEN: Well, that's the real challenge for members of the United Nations. Iran also has weapons of mass destruction. Korea, North Korea, as we've indicated before, has weapons of mass destruction.

With respect to Iraq, the United Nations is already on record, following 1991, the Gulf War, of insisting and demanding that they get rid of these weapons of mass destruction. And frankly, the United Nations needs to really measure up to its responsibility and insist, now, to give it three weeks, three months, four months, if they haven't really insisted in the past 12 years it calls into question the commitment on the part of the U.N. to really seek disarmament or to take action in the face of flouting it.

DOBBS: Let me put it this way, in terms -- and then I'd like to turn to North Korea. But in the case of the United Nations, could you, for example, tell me and our audience the last outstanding diplomatic success on the part of the United Nations?

COHEN: Well, before it was indicated that the U.N. doesn't do very much. It doesn't -- you could not call upon the U.N. to wage war necessarily. But you will call upon the United Nations to try to wage peace and keep the peace once a war is over. They do play a vital role. And we ought not to diminish that or seek to simply dismiss it. The United Nations remains important.

DOBBS: I didn't dismiss it. But what I'm asking here in this is -- we're trying to watch the -- trying to see a resolution. The United Nations has not, has it, achieved a remarkable diplomatic success at any juncture in the past decade.

COHEN: Well, again, the United Nations has been important in a peacekeeping role.

DOBBS: But Bill, we're not talking about peacekeeping here. We're talking about now -- we are talking about a very specific issue that requires a diplomatic consensus, at least at the U.N. Security Council for action on the part of the United Nations to enforce what would be 17 resolutions.

COHEN: The United Nations has not taken sufficient action to enforce its own resolutions, and in that regard it does risk becoming, quote, "irrelevant," in the sense of simply passing resolutions without insisting on full compliance makes the resolutions rather meaningless. And so for the past 12 years there has not been sufficient steel behind the resolutions to enforce them. I think that is correct.

DOBBS: You brought up North Korea. North Korea, intractable in its position as it moves ahead with its apparent decision to move ahead with enriched plutonium, setting the stage for perhaps the manufacture of nuclear weapons. Is there a role here for the United Nations, and why hasn't the U.N. taken it up?

COHEN: Well, it's rather a challenge for the United States on the one hand to say that the United Nations may be irrelevant for purposes of discussing Iraq, but quite relevant in terms of dealing with North Korea.

DOBBS: What are you talking about?

I mean, they've been talking about Iraq for six months, Bill.

COHEN: No. The issue really is for us to go to China and to Russia and to insist that they help in this particular crisis. And it is a crisis. And I think that this should be tabled to the United Nations, but again, it puts us in the position on the one hand of suggesting its irrelevant but calling upon it for North Korea. Well, what we have to do is to persuade our allies, this is also a crisis which must be addressed immediately and not defer it for several months. Several months is too late as far as the North Koreans now beginning their reprocessing of those spent fuel rods.

DOBBS: Do you see any likelihood that China and Russia will step forward in particular?

COHEN: They have not sufficient incentive to do so right now in their own judgment. I think they're wrong. I think it will be a big mistake for either Russia or China to simply stand on the sidelines and let this continue.

DOBBS: Bill Cohen, as always, good to have you here.

COHEN: My pleasure, Lou.

DOBBS: Coming up next, an army Blackhawk helicopter crashed today near Fort Drum, New York. We'll have the very latest on the search for the helicopter's crew.

A super bomb sends a very loud message to Iraq.

Jamie McIntyre will have the report for us -- Jamie.

JAMIE MCINTYRE, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Lou, they're calling it the MOAB, short for in Pentagon jargon the mother of all bombs. The unofficial nickname. And it not only acts against the body, but it's designed to send a message to the mind.

DOBBS: Jamie, thank you. NASA continues to focus on the debris that hit the Space Shuttle Columbia just as it lifted off.

Miles O'Brien will tell us why a new video of the launch is so important to investigators. Stay with us.


DOBBS: Across America tonight, CNN has learned that San Francisco has dropped the sole charge against the police chief in alleged cover-up. The district attorney dropped those charges against Chief Earl Sanders and his chief aide in the interest of justice. The indictments stem from a fight outside a bar that involved several police officers including the son of the deputy chief.

An intense search tonight under way for the crew of a Blackhawk helicopter that crashed near Fort Drum today. The helicopter was on a routine training mission in New York when it disappeared. Nine soldiers aboard, at least one survivor was reported walking near the crash site. Fort Drum is home to the Army's 10th Mountain Division.

NASA today released newly enhanced images of the Space Shuttle Columbia during its lift-off. The pictures give a closer look at the foam that hit the shuttle's left wing during launch.

Miles O'Brien is at CNN center with more on the story -- Miles.

MILES O'BRIEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Lou, last week, when we heard from the Columbia investigation board they were talking about following the heat. Today they said follow the foam. Perhaps those two roads will intersect at one point. Not just yet, however. Columbia accident investigation board holding its weekly briefing. Members of the board, headed by retired Admiral Hal Gamen, addressing reporters in Houston this afternoon, offering up some new insights, incremental insights into where their investigation is headed.

First of all, you can take a look as the board walked in for its briefing. They released this video which you're referring to. It's not a new angle, but it's an enhanced view of something that we had already seen or thought we had seen. And if you look at this slow motion replay over and over again with the help of that circle, you can watch that piece of foam as it goes off the tank, and then strikes very clearly right almost a bull's eye on the leading edge of Columbia's left wing. Now, that leading edge is covered by 22 panels called reinforced carbon. It's extremely heat-resistant because the leading edge is one of the hottest spots when an orbiter returns to earth.

Now, 20 seconds before this event, which you've seen over and over again since Columbia disintegrated over Texas on February 1, killing the crew of seven. Twenty seconds prior to that we're told by the investigation board there was apparently some wind shear which caused the left solid rocket booster to make a quick course correction. That might have imparted some sort of torque on that external tank, and perhaps it might have something to do with the original fact as to why that foam fell off -- Lou. DOBBS: Miles, thank you very much. Miles O'Brien reporting.

Still ahead here, the largest conventional bomb in the U.S. arsenal, all 21,000 pounds of it. Today it was tested at a military base in Florida. We'll have the latest for you from the Pentagon. Jamie McIntyre will have the story.

Also, a country music singer causing some controversy with a new song voicing his support for U.S. troops overseas. Darryl Worley will be here to perform, "Have You Forgotten?" that and much more.



ANNOUNCER: LOU DOBBS MONEYLINE continues. Here again, Lou Dobbs.

DOBBS: These are the top stories tonight. The army has just said 11 soldiers were killed when a Black Hawk helicopter crashed during a training mission at Ft. Drum in New York today.

Two soldiers did survive the crash. All of the troops, members of the 10th Mountain Division, which saw active service in Afghanistan.

The White House today said President Bush wants a U.N. vote on a second resolution this week. The White House said there is, quote, "little room for diplomacy and not much time."

The United Nations suspended -- has suspended U-2 surveillance flights over Iraq after two Iraqi fighter jets approached the aircraft. There is no word on when these reconnaissance flights might resume. Iraq denied it threatened the aircraft.

Country music singer Darryl Worley spent last Christmas entertaining U.S. troops in Afghanistan. The experience moved him so much that he wrote a song about September 11 and the war on terror.

A number of radio station managers said the song is pro-war and too bellicose. But now it's No. 6 on the R&R charts, No. 9 on Billboard.

The song is so honest in its emotion that I asked Darryl Worley if he would join us to talk about the song and to share it with our viewers. I talked with him earlier today.


Darryl, how do you feel when people say they're not playing the song, the record, the album because it's pro-war?

DARRYL WORLEY, COUNTRY SINGER: Well, you know, you feel a little bit cheated, because this is America.

But to me the song is not necessarily pro-war. That's not the reason we wrote the song. The song is pro-America. It's pro -- it's pro-military. But I don't necessarily think that it's a pro-war song.

DOBBS: It's a wonderful song. The lyrics are compelling. They're powerful.

There's one lyric in which you talk about "they don't show the Twin Towers on TV anymore..."

WORLEY: Right.

DOBBS: ... I think you say, "because they say it's not good for you and me."

What brought that emotion forward? Because it's a little counter to what is expected.

WORLEY: I -- I've been through a lot of pretty hard times in my life with different -- I've lost a lot of loved ones and been through a lot of tragedy, and in doing so I -- you know, I've read a little here and there and just picked up things that I thought would help me get through.

When you're going through a mourning or grieving process, the thing that I've found to be true in all of those cases, all the different readings that I've done, is almost everybody, hands down, says the thing that people are grieving somewhat, the loss of a loved one, the thing that they fear the most is that you'll forget about that person that they have lost.

And I think probably more people than not probably felt that way about this, because it was gone from the TV screen so fast, it was like, wow, you know, they want us to forget this, it's over.

I think we have to move on and get past things, but I don't think it's good to forget things like this. I think we need to remember.

DOBBS: And the best way, I think, for many of us is to hear you and "Have You Forgotten?" Darryl, thank you.

WORLEY: Thank you.

(singing) I hear people saying we don't need this war. But I say there's some things worth fighting for. What about our freedom and this piece of ground? We didn't get to keep 'em by backing down.

They say we don't realize the mess we're getting in; before you start your preaching let me ask you this, my friend.

Have you forgotten how it felt that day to see your homeland under fire and her people blown away? Have you forgotten when those towers fell we had neighbors still inside, going through a living hell? And you say we shouldn't worry about bin Laden. Have you forgotten?

They took all the footage off my TV, said it's too disturbing for you and me. It'll just breed anger, that's what the experts say If it was up to me I'd show it every day. Some say this country's just out looking for a fight. Well, after 9/11, man, I'd have to say that's right.

Have you forgotten?


DOBBS: Darryl Worley will have the entire song for us, "Have You Forgotten?", at the end of the broadcast, accompanied by Jeff Jared.

Well, that brings us to the subject of tonight's MONEYLINE poll. "Do you believe the video of the destruction of the World Trade Center should be shown frequently, rarely, or never?"

Cast your vote at We'll have the results for you coming right up.

The final results of yesterday's poll. The question, "Which of the following best represents your view of doctors' willingness to prescribe drugs?"

Forty-four -- Forty-six percent, rather said too willing; 11 percent said not willing enough; 43 percent said about right.

The United States today sent a very loud and very visible message to Saddam Hussein's military. The air force exploded a 21,000-pound bomb in Florida. It is the largest conventional bomb in the U.S. arsenal. And the blast sent a plume of smoke more than 10,000 feet into the air.

Senior Pentagon correspondent Jamie McIntyre reports.


MCINTYRE (voice-over): The MOAB carries 18,000 pounds of high explosives and on impact creates a 10,000-foot-high mushroom-like cloud that looks and feels like a nuclear weapon.

The new bomb is an upgrade of the Vietnam-era Daisy Cutter, a 15,000-pound bomb originally designed to clear vegetation and create an instant landing zone for helicopters. More recently it was used to kill and demoralize al Qaeda and Taliban fighters in Afghanistan.

Even if the MOAB is never used in Iraq, the Pentagon admits it could still pack a psychological wallop.

DONALD RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: The goal is to have the capabilities of the coalition so clear and so obvious that there is an enormous disincentive for the Iraqi military to fight.

MCINTYRE: MOAB is short for Massive Ordnance Air Blast, but it's picked up the nickname "Mother of All Bombs."

At 21,000 pounds total weight, it's too big to be carried by most planes. So for now it can only be dropped by a modified C-130. And unlike its predecessor, which was dropped by parachute, the new bomb has a state-of-the-art satellite guidance system.

It's technically not ready for combat, but like the Predators, armed with Hellfire missiles, it could be pressed into service before it's fully tested.

GEN. RICHARD MYERS, JOINT CHIEFS CHAIRMAN: Anything we have in the arsenal, anything that's in almost any stage of development could be used. We did that in Desert Storm. You remember the joint stars. We could do that with capabilities here.


MCINTYRE: Now, one practical limitation of the massive air burst bomb is it can't really be used in heavily populated areas, especially with the U.S. military goal of keeping civilian casualties to a minimum.

But Pentagon sources say if a Republican Guard unit, for instance, were to be found isolated in the desert. they could be obliterated with a single bomb to send a very chilling example to the rest of the Iraqi military -- Lou.

DOBBS: Jamie, an extraordinary ordinance. Jamie McIntyre, senior Pentagon correspondent reporting. Thank you.

Still ahead here tonight.

In what could be an example to many corporate CEOs, Texas Tech basketball coach Bob Knight is giving up a year's salary. It's all a matter of pride.

And at the most critical time of the season, scandals are rocking college basketball. Peter Viles will have the story for us -- Peter.

PETER VILES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Lou, these are not garden variety scandals we're looking at. In one case a university president has had to resign over a basketball scandal -- Lou.

DOBBS: Pete, thank you very much. We'll have that story and a great deal more when we continue. Please stay with us.


DOBBS: Bob Knight is setting an example that could be as relevant in corporate board rooms and executive suites as on basketball courts.

The legendary basketball coach told Texas Tech that he will not accept his $250,000 annual salary. Knight said that neither he, nor his team, this year has performed up to his expectations.

Knight's team is 16-10 and will play -- rather 11 -- and will play Baylor in the Big 12 tournament this coming Thursday night. The annual run-up to March Madness has been rocked by scandal. Three college basketball programs ended their season early, in fact, removing themselves from the lucrative NCAA tournament.

Peter Viles reports on what has become a season of shame.


VILES (voice-over): Call it March Badness. A wave of scandal.

At the University of Georgia, cheating with a twist. A basketball coach taught a class about basketball, and he gave the basketball players "A's," even though they never went to class.

MICHAEL ADAMS, PRESIDENT, UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA: I learned just this morning that there was academic fraud involving not only Tony Cole but two current players on the men's basketball team.

VILES: Coach Jim Harrick suspended, Georgia voluntarily took itself out of postseason play.

At St. Bonaventure, cheating and quitting. The star player ruled ineligible. He was admitted based on a welding certificate from a community college. Then the rest of the team flat out quit with two games left. And so did the president of the school.

Michigan penalized itself for an early '90s scandal involving a booster who gave half a million dollars to players.

A common thread in all this: big money except for players who can barely make ends meet, and school presidents, yes, presidents, who desperately want to win.

JOHN FEINSTEIN, AUTHOR, "THE PUNCH:" Every time there's a scandal they say the answer is the presidents. Well, the answer isn't the presidents, because the presidents are fund-raisers just like anybody else at a college. That's what they do. And the way they raise funds in many cases is by having winning football teams and winning basketball teams.

VILES: Nobody can deny college basketball and football now operate like for-profit businesses. But somehow there's shock when the profit motive breeds bad behavior.

RICK HORROW, HORROW SPORTS VENTURES: We're talking about $10 billion a year in college revenue from football and basketball alone. Those pressures and incentives have to trickle down, not only to the coaches, but the kids who play the sports as well.


VILES: Lou, the Big East tournament comes here to Madison Square Garden tomorrow, and there will be a whiff of scandal in the building.

The Villanova team comes up from Philadelphia, having suspended 12 players recently. They'll take the floor with just seven. Those players who were suspended, Lou, used a stolen access number to make long-distance phone calls -- Lou.

DOBBS: There's a trickle-up issue here as well, Pete. The NCAA is not showering itself with great glory in the way they are running the game and running the rule book here, are they?

VILES: No. The NCAA is pretty much the university presidents. And John Feinstein, who you heard from in that story, says it's time for the presidents and the NCAA to admit that they cannot govern the sport and turn to some outside body -- the NCAA is not an outside body -- to come in and somehow clean up the sport so it's more fair to the fans and more fair to the players, Lou.

DOBBS: Absolutely. Peter Viles, thank you very much.

Still ahead here, I'll have a few thoughts on the legitimacy of U.S. action, should it be taken against Iraq, and the legitimacy of the United Nations.

And anger toward France changes the menu on Capitol Hill. Stay with us.


DOBBS: Well, on Wall Street today more ugliness. Stocks at a new five-month low. Greg Clarkin has the market for us tonight.

Greg, it's just not getting any better.

GREG CLARKIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: No, it's not, Lou. And first what passes for good news these days, and that is that the pace for selling eased a bit today. Unfortunately, that's pretty much the good news.

The bad news, the markets again closed lower, investors still waiting to take their cue from world events. Today they're just not getting any encouraging signals. The Dow down 44 to 7524. The NASDAQ gave up six to close at 1271.

Now, airlines were among the weakest stocks. AMR lost a third of its value. They own American, and reports say they're lining up cash in case they file for bankruptcy protection. A buck 59 will buy you a share of AMR. That's 82 cents cheaper than yesterday.

And Delta said its cash flow just isn't quite flowing as well as expected. Soft traffic is to blame. That's airline speak for empty seats. Delta stock lost 22 percent.

And people aren't flying, and it looks like they're not buying as many appliances either.

Maytag said sales of washes, dryers, and upright vacuums are downright weak. Maytag shares losing 16 percent on the session.

In the words of one strategist, investors find themselves in something of a Twilight Zone, searching for some kind of stability but finding instability at every turn -- Lou. DOBBS: Well, we do have some good news here, Greg. We can turn to CROSSFIRE when things get really desperate on Wall Street. Let's go to Paul Begala and Bob Novak in Washington -- Bob.

BOB NOVAK, "CROSSFIRE" CO-HOST: Lou, we're going to show the first video of the -- what may be the biggest conventional bomb ever, the MOAB.

And then we'll talk about the war by discussing with two members of Congress whether the United Nations talking, talking, talking is about to go the way of the League of Nations.

PAUL BEGALA, "CROSSFIRE" CO-HOST: And then Lou, speaking of vast devastation, we'll talk about President Bush's economic plan and whether his war will bankrupt this country. Can we afford the president's foreign policy? Should be a good debate.

DOBBS: Look forward to it as always, Paul. Bob, thank you.

Well, patriotism is in. And French is out in Congress. Cafeterias in the House will change the name of French fries to "freedom fries" and French toast in those restaurants is now just that, toast. It will be replaced by "freedom toast."

A Republican lawmaker has ordered the menu changed to protest France's opposition to war with Iraq.

Coming up next: we'll hear your thoughts on the war with Iraq, should it come, and I'll have a few thoughts on the United Nations and whether its members have simply lost it. Stay with us.


DOBBS: Tonight we want to congratulate Gary Player in his 50th year of golf and Wayne and Marty Huizenga for hosting the Gary Player Invitational Tournament for the Player Foundation, raising money for rural education in South Africa.

And congratulations as well to Sidney Forbes (ph), Bob Needback (ph), Marty Greg (ph), and David Mosco (ph) on their first place victory, great athletes all.

Now the preliminary results of tonight's MONEYLINE poll. The question, "Do you believe that video of the destruction of the World Trade Center should be shown frequently, rarely, or never?" Seventy- six percent of you said frequently; 20 percent said rarely; five percent said never.

Now taking a look at your words.

Deb McCarver from Nashville wrote in to say, "Mr. Dobbs, just wanted to let your viewers know that note everyone in Music City shares the views of country music hawks like your guest Mr. Worley, Charlie Daniels or Toby Keith. I guess in this depressed economy a struggling artist will take any opportunity to sell CDs and get publicity." John Sloan of Mississippi wrote to say, "I think it's time for President Bush to put down the telephone and do something about the war in Iraq. We have other things to work on in this country and people are waiting on President Bush to make a decision."

Alan Simpson of Pennsylvania said, "If the United States" -- the United Nations, rather -- "is a group that believes people like Saddam Hussein deserve respect and need to be defended, then I am not a member of the U.N."

K.W., Massachusetts, wrote, "The U.N. has been useless since its inception. It should be thrown out of this country. They should look for office space in Paris."

And in reaction to French fries now being called "freedom fries" in Capitol Hill cafeterias, Christopher Lazzo of New York wrote, "Lou, what are we doing? Has everyone gone mad? This is what the House is doing to help the economy, the deficit and the war(s)?"

We appreciate your thoughts, which you can share with us any time: Please include your name and address.

Well, a few thoughts about the U.N., if I may.

Kofi Annan has warned that it would be a violation of the U.N. charter if the United States attacked Saddam Hussein without Security Council approval, that U.S. military action against Iraq without that Security Council approval would be illegitimate.

The secretary-general, in my opinion, is a little confused. It's the legitimacy of the United Nations that is now at stake. And I'm sure, much to his displeasure, a new "New York Times"/CBS news poll shows 58 percent of those surveyed said the United Nations is doing a poor job on the issue of Iraq.

But there are a host of other issues that the United Nations is completely and utterly confused about. For example, the United Nations is scheduled to turn over control of the U.N. Commission on Human Rights to Libya this spring. That's right. Libya.

Until a month ago the U.N. Conference on Disarmament was to be headed by Iraq. That's right. The same Iraq that even Kofi Annan acknowledges must be disarmed.

Now, who says those U.N. bureaucrats don't have a sense of humor? And how bad a name can you give multi-lateralism?

If Kofi Annan thinks Americans are ready to turn over the leadership of this country to France, to Germany, to Cameroon, to Syria, the United Nations has as little a grip on reality as it does a valid claim of relevance.

That's MONEYLINE for this Tuesday evening. We thank you for being with us.

We leave you tonight with the music of Darryl Worley and his song, "Have You Forgotten?"

For all of us here, good night from New York.

WORLEY (singing): I hear people saying we don't need this war. But I say there's some things worth fighting for. What about our freedom and this piece of ground? We didn't get to keep 'em by backing down. They say we don't realize the mess we're getting in. Before you start your preaching let me ask you this, my friend.

Have you forgotten how it felt that day to see your homeland under fire and her people blown away? Have you forgotten when those towers fell we had neighbors still inside going through a living hell? And you say we shouldn't worry bout bin Laden. Have you forgotten?

They took all the footage off my TV, said it's too disturbing for you and me. It'll just breed anger, that's what the experts say. If it was up to me I'd show it every day. Some say this country's just out looking for a fight. Well, after 9/11, man, I'd have to say that's right.

Have you forgotten how it felt that day to see your homeland under fire and her people blown away? Have you forgotten when those towers fell we had neighbors still inside going through a living hell? And we vowed to get the ones behind bin Laden. Have you forgotten?

I've been there with the soldiers who've gone away to war and you can bet that they remember just what they're fighting for. Have you forgotten all the people killed? Yes, some went down like heroes in that Pennsylvania field.

Have you forgotten about our Pentagon? All the loved ones that we lost and those left to carry on? Don't you tell me not to worry about bin Laden.

Have you forgotten? Have you forgotten? Have you forgotten?


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